THIS is the BIGGEST Problem in DMZ..

DMZ Season 2 has HUGE PvP Squad fights where 6 man teams just ruin everyone. How do you deal with larger teams in DMZ?
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[@Stodeh]

How do you deal with larger teams?

[@noobtape4823]

Tbh you really can't😅 Try separating them( picking 1 by 1) And sniping

[@anurbanpenguin8890]

Its difficult tbh. So many people just intent on hunting. Its a big problem. Especially if your trying to do missions. Guess it makes them feel good getting kills on real people who arent paying full attention due to being focused on something else. If only there was a game mode dedicated to PVP on these 2 maps?

[@mathewjones9547]

Anything bigger than the spawn team should limit all players to 2 plates

[@archibaldferdinand1895]

By dying

[@SlackerNerd]

Ask to be friendly with people. You always run a 2 man team, It's a game in which you can talk and join teams. I've created instant 6 man teams just cause squad fill and asking to be friendly. Plus, you activated a UAV tower, which pings on the map(as you should know) alerting to all players there are some nearby. So what do you do with a 6 man team, but wipe teams on the map, proceed to contracts/ weapon cases. Perhaps try joining up with a 3 man at the start of the game, and running it through.

[@originalgaige5619]

Combined squads are more common because PvP is so much more prevalent now. Its not really an extraction game mode anymore, its just turned into a battle royale with more freedom.

[@JackRabbit5402]

Yeah the cod fanbase diserves this shite game

[@Apophis392]

Why does PvP make you consider it to not be an extraction game? That’s what extraction shooters are all about. Im skeptical that you’ve played any other extraction shooters, if that’s how you think it works. It’s high stakes, you gotta move meticulously and get to exfil and survive, or loose all the gear on you. That’s what makes it exciting and worth playing. You think that makes it more like BR? It’s almost the opposite of BR in which death has no penalty on the next game, so you just keep going until you die or are last alive.

[@DerekSpeareDSD]

DMZ is turned to rubbish BR now with bots. There needs to be a much greater risk for engagement than as it is.

[@Apophis392]

@@puntoboy_gaming and you think that means it’s not an extraction game? And what you say isn’t even true. There are definitely plenty of people who do missions and contracts, including people who are also good at PvP.

[@Apophis392]

@@puntoboy_gaming so because you can’t figure out how to complete your missions, you think it’s not an extraction shooter? That’s nonsensical. I expect the presents of other squads and stay away from them when I’m getting missions done. There would be no point to playing it if there was no opposing force. I just unlocked my second insurance slot.

[@teddyinjapan]

The biggest problem is they don’t treat it like a looter extraction game. They treat it like a smaller warzone where it’s easier to get kills and they can feel like pro players

[@eaglewatch1239]

Big center of looter shooters Is to kill people and steal their shit your point its Just stupid makes no sense.

[@cjtnegrete]

Ure bad and big mad. Get gud scrub

[@gamermagnum]

Nah it's a staple part of the game 🤷 we had people try to kill US just end up getting wiped or be wiped. There are groups in tarkov that do nothing but hunt too. It raises the already low stakes.

[@baddreams1436]

We play in party chat so we can’t prod chat. 99% of the time we get shot at on site so now we return the favor 100% of the time. I wish it wasn’t like that

[@lucasfelling8417]

But that's the beauty of the game mode, you come in, loot, do mission but you also need to remember there is other players in the game that 80% of the time aren't friendly. Expecting people too "play at as a looter extraction game only" is not how this game mode should be treated. To be fair aswell, if you think people look at this as a smaller warzone is the thought process then you sound like the sort of player to engage a team, realize that they might be better, procede too either run away and if you're killed, rip into them with "You guys just wanna feel like pro players" or accuse them of hacks. Pvp is a pinnacle point in this game type and if your not ready for it whether your doing missions or looting then that's on you.

[@0xWNTR]

Simple solution. If more than a 3 man, you get pinged on radar as an “extreme threat” or something every 10 seconds. The more people, the more quickly it pings on radar for everyone

[@jakeh7886]

That's just stupid... At that point you may aswell not have assimilation . The simple solution is to decrease the health of players based on squad size .say 7.5% per additional member. Would Even out the playing field .

[@justinmurray4652]

Thats a great idea.They should really take out the 6 man option

[@strippins]

There are quads in Warzone, I think 4 should be max. If you start as a trio, you can invite one person .

[@ryanrios3435]

They just need to remove being able to team up with 6 people. 4 at the Max.

[@jakeh7886]

@@justinmurray4652 why??? , the ability to have 6 encourages friendly gameplay just as much as it does agressive ! I tend to pick up pleas and offer to team with other squads on the final exfil. If you lower the number people are just going to K.O.S more because they won't be able to trust another squad is actually friendly . It will just make it more PvP heavy which is what you all seem to be moaning about 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@itmamtanzim]

We broke the game last match. The final exfil chopper happened to be in the stadium near hafid port. But we chose to do the rescue hostage mission. And our rescue chopper landed right onto the final exfil chopper and completely destroyed it . The game was constantly says " ultra 1, we are holding for 1 mins only " And there were still other squad trying to exfil. We exfilled safely but they couldn't. Everyone was like "wtf"

[@elyzabete8447]

Yep same thing happened in my match, though a mortar strike destroyed it

[@HalodrianEnT]

You can destroy the exfill choppers ? That interesting. Do they have like a real healthbar oder can they only be destroy by glitches ?

[@itmamtanzim]

@@HalodrianEnT only possible by glitches ig

[@kylecallahan5770]

​@@elyzabete8447 stop the cap

[@G0olag]

Funny I saw that video before I read this comment. That had to be a first in DMZ.

[@driversunion8489]

I've had it a couple of times recently when playing with randoms, they get killed by other players then when you go to help they flip to the other team and then kill you. Aa a solo at that stage you don't get any option to ask for help it's just game over. Really annoying.

[@p4fizzle]

Yeh that shit is whack as fuck. Last time I played DMZ (about 2 months ago) that is what happened in the first minute of the game. Then my weapons are on instant cool down for like 3 days. I haven't played since, it's a fucking dumb game mode

[@justinwinarto]

At that moment you just straight up run and don't bother helping your teammates. They ran off most likely and died as a consequence.

[@breathenitrox]

Stopped squadfilling as a duo for this reason. 3rd always dies to something dumb then turncoats.

[@GG_420]

You should not be able to join your old team back and you should also be able to request help after you died as a solo

[@austinherr]

Maybe an idea to balance the team of 6. For every additional team mate you have the revive time increases. So having a full team of 6 would have an extremely slow revive compared to a solo player who would have an extremely fast revive. 3 players would be the regular revive time.

[@reggie7716]

I don't mind larger teams so much, what I hate is they grab a chopper and get hunt squad contracts so they know exactly where you are. The biggest fix right now would be to just pull the hunt squad contracts out of the map altogether. Or block 6 man teams from being able to get hunt squads.

[@Ghostrider1717x]

Absolutely! Great suggestion

[@finneyz24]

Or just only allow 6 mans to hunt 6 mans.

[@thorsmith59]

They seriously need a solo and duos mode in DMZ!

[@Guilefpv]

That's why there needs to be a solo/duo/trio option in the game. How large the squad can be depends on the mode you're playing, make it 2 times the size you start with. So if you start in solo DMZ, the most you can team up to is 2, as duo DMZ up to quads, and trios can team up to 6. You can have solo.duo,trios, and quads for BR and resurgence...make it the same for DMZ.

[@alexbatista750]

I agree.....but I think the problem is for them to be able to do it they need to invest more on the DMZ mode,it still says beta on it,even though it's the second season...that tells me they invested more on multiplayer and warzone2 than DMZ in the first season,when they realise DMZ was actually taking off it was too late to do more than what they did by the change of the season,maybe that's why it's still in beta.... hopefully now they realize DMZ has actual potential,my problem is that that is that they'll in time just do what they did with warzone,fu*** the game.....hope not....

[@ipawilzon]

and to everyone saying that it would "hurt" the playerbase by splitting up dmz.... it wont because most of the playerbase that left are people who got tired of being teamed up on. if they brought a solo or duo mode to dmz, then I would be back the SECOND that the mode is released. Just dont want to be at a disadvantage because I enjoy playing solo in an extraction mode...

[@Ccubed92]

That would delete the player base and be pointless. Just get better

[@c.jonesgaming3897]

Super on board with this idea. Or they can make a 4 man squad and keep as that.

[@Vicecitymind]

Best idea I’ve seen yet I think there’s not a big enough player base atm for that tho

[@Southernswag8283]

Stodeh - “hates that no one is friendly and hates players being toxic” Also Stodeh - “complains about people teaming up and being friendly with each other”

[@oscarcc19]

And that's the real problem 😂

[@Cid_1]

DMZ really need a Hero & Bandit system similar to the old Dayz mod. And some other systems and mechanics that make sense. Also perhaps take advantage of the AI in a more reasonable way, splitting AI's up into 3 factions, and how the AI behaves depends on player status. Now while DMZ are in Beta is the time for them to experiment with different ideas and features. I don't understand why the devs are so scared to take chances. They could always split DMZ into 2 branches 1 normal/basic and an experimental branch. DMZ got so much potential but it seems like the devs are too slow in making a decision and just try something. Keep up the great videos Stodeh.

[@supermo26]

If I'm a sole survivor and a squad is hunting me, there is no reason for AI to be beaming me as I'm scrambling for my life. Same with Chopper commander. I use a suppressed weapon, so no reason for all their attention.

[@RAINBOWR3APA]

This is pretty much exactly what's happe ING in season three, according to dkdynamight

[@nickyong9336]

They should learn from Division. Once you go rogued killing someone, you should be exposed on maps so everyone can see it. Ppl want to hunt will hunt, ppl who want to avoid will avoid.

[@richardhands6136]

@@nickyong9336 This is the way. (But not the stupid system where you had to go rogue before shooting another team. Literally 20 people standing around almost going rogue but not)

[@nickyong9336]

@@richardhands6136 haha, that also a fun parts if you want to take the challenges. To rape or be rape. :D

[@jimstephens21]

2 teams can join the same raid. If you see someone typing in chat as soon as you spawn in then it is 2 teams verifying they are in the same raid

[@yomammafat8926]

Hahaha you know huh, we completed all these stupid faction missions this way

[@MrKaare60]

this is what the prelobby chat has done to the game. i've ran into so many of these lately. you'll see someone write something random in pregame lobby, so they can see if they're in the same lobby or if they need to cancel queue and go again.

[@221Prohunter]

It’s actually super easy to get in the same lobby as a friend. All you do it queue at the same time, and if your countdown matches their countdown, you are 100% in their server. Now this isn’t an issue for small squads like 2 friends trying to cheese the exfil tracking mission, but when you have 2 squads of 3 it is gamebreaking and really should be bannable (or better yet, IW should fix this garbage). They should at the least make a solo and duo version of DMZ where you can’t team up.

[@LivindeadGaming]

most premades are arranged prior to queuing up which is the problem unfortunately.

[@lukemosley1844]

Iv seen this loads of times, the moment I see ANYTHING in the loading screen chat I back out.

[@j.money4564]

Most 6 mans run around in LTV’S all u need is a javelin and a couple munitions ur welcome

[@dokie2868]

​@@221Prohunter Unfortunately it's completely not bannable and it's up to a players choice. Well, at least that's what Activision support said lol

[@The_Ziphius]

I run with a buddy as a duo and we’ve been consistently running into severely hostile teams of 3-6 on both maps within minutes of loading in and just being shredded regardless of how cautious and tactically we play. Ashika could certainly do with a change in spawn locations as well. Falling in 150 meters away from another team and just rushing them if you’re fully kitted feels cheap to exploit but it’s more so frustrating to be on the receiving end when all you’re looking for is a 2-plate system and some bullets

[@ElPatron42069]

Same here bro . Myself and my cousin experience the same exact thing

[@Rudi_SS14]

Do you have the problem with always spawning in the same spot? The group I run with we normally only spawn in one spot. If we run a 100 games we spawn there 97 times.

[@HumperJumper69]

Well, I often stumble upon players than AI first in Ashika Island (small map) because they always cause alot of noise and always led to close quarter combat situation

[@The_Ziphius]

@@Rudi_SS14 holy crap, yes!! My buddy and I ALWAYS spawn south of taraq and west of the city in a bit of desert about 100 meters from a jeep. Without fail.

[@shisuiuchiha399]

Way she goes🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jonwebb9261]

Teaming in DMZ might be the worst decision call of duty devs ever made and that's a tough battle

[@notinterested8452]

😅 they're expert worse decision makers 😅

[@sgt.rudolf3811]

I think honestly that people find out the difficulty of final tier missions that are forcing you to pvp, and simply have found a spontaneous solution teaming up asap in the early game.

[@sawillmin1291]

You can't really complain ,when you re on top of a tower and snipe random players. Too bad for you if it's a 6 men team. I think ,it's really fun to be able to team up. It'a a real good idea.

[@majidkhan89]

Assimilation just kills this mode. What would be better instead is being able to revive down players at the cost of immunity from the player/team. Or they should limit Assimilation to only 3 people. So solos can join a 2 man. Or duos can invite a solo. Or they should only allow assimilation at final extract when the countdown begins.

[@saladgreens912]

I actually really like this idea. Sometimes there is another squad/solo in our way being a problem, or maybe I just want to steal your stuff. There are a lot of times where Im not going to wait around and see if you are friendly or not, but I also don't want to wipe you. Sometimes we end up picking up a 4th and just taking them to exfil, giving them a spare self res or armour on the way. But a lot of the times I wish I could revive people after beating them and send them on their way without worrying about getting attacked again. But also not having them in the squad. An option to mercy or request to leave. Though I don't think a limit of 3 is the best idea. You don't get a big advantage picking up a random 4th and helping a solo is fun. Even six man teams are usually fairly rag-tag and uncoordinated. But it's not really fun/fair to be surprised by a six man. You should get to know their general area as a "high threat" so you are not surprised by them and can plan accordingly. You should not get a numbers advantage and element of surprise advantage at the same time. But you should also not be penalized super hard because a lot of the time six men squads are just trying to get missions done and not bother anyone. A reputation system is really needed to keep this mode from just becoming a different battle royal. There should be some penalties/rewards to keep people in check. I don't want the game to only have friendly players, a balance is needed. But something needs to be done to not let things get too far in either direction. Being Solo/friendly should come with some bonuses and bigger groups/hostile groups should have penalties to give them more of a challenge in wiping servers. I don't want to remove the player hunting play style, I find it fun sometimes, but you should have to be more on your toes if you are doing it. You could even reward players for surviving with maximum penalties so it does not completely dis-insensitive that play style.

[@thekohi-addict]

Small "tips" when facing against bigger squads: They usually have no teamwork most of the time, and theres a large chance multiple of them want to approach a fight different than others. which will be an disadvantage to them. 2. They usually get confident due to quanity of their squad, which will naturally decrease the quality if the players, try to take advantage of it. Or just try and make a run for it.

[@thekohi-addict]

@@aloejae6200 I'm unsure if I should call you a good sport for being so communicative or be sligtly mad for being part of the problem. However, as I've seen absolutely nobody use specific pings on cod such as "defend here" unless all the 6 people understand the same language (I'm in central EU, this by itself is extremely rare) and all are on mic, it's unlikely? -p.s just having 2 guys walk in front while the others kinda just follows like ducks isn't really teamwork.

[@1ermejo4ever1]

The other day me and my team got killed by a "team" of 10 people (in 2 different teams since the max is 6) 2 minutes after the start of the game. Apparently 4 teams queued together and started roaming the spawn points killing everyone they found. How do you counter that? Even if they had no coordination (which that was not the case) it's such an overwhelming advantage in number you can't do anything about it.

[@thekohi-addict]

@@1ermejo4ever1 1. Thats just fucking unfortunate 2.Lemme try and think if what was probably the best thing you could do besides pressing the leave button Try to run away first of all, if they are persistent attempt to down one thats more isolated, it's odd if they were to stick together that close. then run while theyre busy. Not just run any way of course, if you're for example in a city go to a high building, has not many access points and a lot of exit routes. near water play the long game and just go to the edge of the map and go along the water, breaking line of sight and stealth are probably the best options If you're feeling brave openly firing from them on a roof could have *some* effect. Lastly, use your teammate as bait and come to pick him up later (if its your friend of course) this needs to be pre planned of course. It'll probably take *some* time for them to notice the last person ran off or has a good hiding spot.

[@stewpacalypse7104]

There's definitely two types of players, mission oriented and hunter/killer. I know I've assimilated into a large group as protection from hunter/killer teams. I think there should be a karma system based on mission completion to pvp kill ratio. There's lots of ways to even the playing field without massive changes to game play using a karma system.

[@daedalus6433]

We will basically be getting karma in Season 3 according to leaks. If it’s true, PvE-focused players get lots of safehouses to hide in around the map

[@hallobrule5720]

Agree there should be some down side apply on the team that has more than 3 players, like when you squading more than 3 ppl, then there will be more AI reinforcement on you or your team location revealing intermittently to another team.

[@comco8107]

4-6 man squads are the only chance average joes like me have against the Stods and Westies in DMZ. In the couple of hours a week I have to play this game, larger squads are some of the only ways my buddy and I have been able to complete missions. That being said, if anyone is looking for two mid tier players that they would like to carry thru the missions, we’d love some help 😆

[@poopyguy98]

Yeah dawg true

[@kingpolo1920]

Up it 12 man square 😂 because fighting these two is like fighting twoJohn wicks

[@notinterested8452]

You still don't have any chance, easy to wipe random six man squads that rely on this idea.💡

[@grahamwatts368]

I’m sorry but I haven’t come across a single 4-6 man squad that passed me by because I’m a solo player. It’s nothing to do with being able to fend off better players and everything to do with exfiling with the max loot and increasing your exfil streak

[@MancWithAMouth]

Usually most 6 man's aren't very co ordinated as its 2 or 3 conversations/ objectives in their collective at once. Any pvp situation if me and my buddies come across a 6 we win just off tactics where as if we're in a 6 man us 3 do the work the others end up being distractions that do nothing lol

[@DJ_Taylor24]

I’ve said this since the beginning. Teaming up is by far the worst thing in DMZ and doesn’t belong. There is no need for it and needs to be removed entirely.

[@fredrossi1334]

I can't believe how quick they quit after finding out they were being hunted. At least try to survive.

[@STEASE]

Exactly.

[@Stodeh]

Yeah we could've prayed in game I guess vs a 6 man team with UAV up and a 1 plate.

[@mosi5796]

these streamers ego is huge hahahaha

[@Mimir325]

​@@mosi5796 your ego is actually bigger You really think a lot about yourself, don't you?

[@mosi5796]

@@Mimir325 no no my ego is normal my brother

[@elitedestroyer0083]

We need a rep system that gives different boons and banes depending on your rep and faction allignment. (Ex: Low Operater kills = Orange Ping on UAV signaling your neutral, High Operater kills= Red Ping on UAV signaling KOS because player is most likely hostile. Also bots may or may not be friendly depending on this)

[@james-shd7808]

I think actual lives could be an option , as in the number of times you can be revived. Or potentially the bigger your team the longer it takes to revive your downed teammate. I think the number of lives would add an extra layer of restraint. The Rez time is similar to TTK in the game mode and fundamentally dictates if you push or don’t especially against bigger teams.

[@PProph]

Number 1 thing, any squad larger than 3 should NOT be allowed to grab a Hunt Squad contract. Won't solve everything but will help.

[@AStiffBreeze]

Do we need hunt squad contracts at all?

[@74500laurent]

I think the existing random matching system to make teams is part of the problem. It constantly matches you with people who have different missions. One of the only things that random players might be interested to do together is PvP and they have no reason to be loyal to their original team. In every teams of random players, there is almost always a guy who run into the enemies, die, and instantly join the enemy team. The rest of the team then has the choice between fighting a 2vs4 or joining the enemy team to avoid loosing gears. This is a nightmare because not only it kills the mission part of DMZ, but it also prevents from playing balanced PvP.

[@74500laurent]

It makes no sense to design DMZ as a game played by teams of 3 players and: - Allow for team of more than 3 players to be assembled. Team size should be limited to 3 players (allowing solo to plead by the way). - Have players with no common mission/goal in the same team. Either mission should be design to be “team mission”, or improve the random matching system by allowing player to change their mission after being matched for example

[@RockShoxLoon]

Yeah having people with the same missions should help. I guess the problem with that is you'd end up with teams of teir one mission newbs trying to figure out the game running into salty veterans doing pvp heavy teir 4/5 missions. As it is now at least if you're new and don't really understand the format you'll probably be paired with someone who can help you get your bearings somewhat.

[@micahbyce2655]

I've taken a 6-man team after my teammates betrayed me during a firefight with an enemy squad of 4. I was left out after they were downed by the enemy team and assimilated, but because I was too hard to kill, they all decided to try to gang up on me. I took my time and single-handedly took out all of my ex teammates and the enemy team players with a grouns loot xpr and m4. It was my most clutch moment ever on mw2.

[@timmatteson7897]

The well oiled 2 man machine that is Stodeh/Westie.....so awesome to watch!

[@SS1015X3]

It's a weird system in my opinion because at the start it's a 3 man max so you go under the confidence that there will be no threat larger than your own and it feels somewhat fair aside from the ridiculous weapons, but then you run into a handicap where your at a huge disadvantage. I personally say get rid of it or have those people become permanent threats in any game they jump into. Your way of being is reflected in your playstyle.

[@shisuiuchiha399]

Awww😢 😂😂😂😂

[@blakedemaria6642]

From what I’ve seen 6 mans are typically the worst players in DMZ that require the numbers advantage to hide behind. It’s extremely difficult as a proper 2 or 3 man and basically impossible as a solo, but if you can full kill 2 of them or even 3 quick enough they’re skill issues become exposed and they usually start to freak out. Bonus: if you do kill a 6 man with a proper 2 or 3 man (or even better, as a solo) make sure to talk as much shit as possible to put them in their place and remind them how bad they are at the game :)

[@-Letitkillyou-]

Their not they're.

[@Ag3nt_X]

Easy solution is to do what you did activate UAV and set traps. They are always going to loot theme dead bodies. Simply sent 1 of your team to an open area and have him engage enemy. They will try to kill him. Get a clear line of sight with Sniper and take them out 1 by one. Moving after spotted. Then 3rd guy covers the dead body while 2nd guy reposition. Claymores/proxies on the UAV station usually gets kills. You need to stay away from high value targets when 6 man is known to be raping the lobby. Down 1 of them and interrogate before finishing the guy. Sometimes we have had success making the guy plead or die. 9 times of 10 the player will plead and join up. But watch for them to switch back to the original 6 man. It's always obvious if the guy OFP's. He will try to run back to his guys and you won't be able to communicate on comms because they will be in other channel. That ain't no one on a 6 man team not having a mic.

[@LiamDempsey40k]

I'd actually perfer it if you could not assimilate past 3 people.

[@shisuiuchiha399]

Awww😢 😂😂😂😂

[@lordsalad-hands2564]

Same or at least make it a different game mode to only be a 3 man team

[@wr2956]

You know it’s going to be a good session when Stodeh and Westie team up

[@SparkyMTB]

Stodeh do you ever think some people shoot at you in the heli as a warning to go away.. look at it from others point of view, they are doing missions etc & another team rolls up on you in a heli, you shoot at them to say go away & leave us alone.. but Stodeh… thinks ohhhhhh Noooo they shoot at us…. NOW ITS ON! 😅

[@muggsyd]

I think my biggest issue, is I tend to keep an eye out for teams with my sniper, but typically don't engage, however when they see the glint it's a sign of a hostile team.

[@SparkyMTB]

@@muggsyd yep I’ve noticed that to. When they see a sniper glint Stodeh then says, ‘Oh oh they’re looking at us with snipers.. do they want the smoke…? Do ya!!’ & then they engage & kill them thinking they must be hostile because they saw the sniper glint. But hey whatever gets the clicks lol

[@abhinavb7370]

6 man squads are a problem , Today I ran into 2 random players in DMZ and they went straight to Airport(where their other friends spawned). I thought they were enemies and killed one , the rest of them joined their squad and killed me . They need to fix this assembling this Fast. BTW NICE VIDEO ❤

[@vaalthangceu9516]

6 men teams is always the squad that kill me or hunt in this game, or the AI nearby when we fight with players...

[@tankiller9638]

Personally ran into this last night…as a solo player, I lived mainly cause I think they were looking for another team and I tend to run skins that look similar to NPC’s on the map I literally ran right past them a few times with a picked up AK74U needless to say I didn’t leave Al Mazrah City for about 5 minutes…5 minutes of pain.

[@221Prohunter]

6 man teams have to go if you ask me. It’s fun to be in one but it actually makes you borderline invincible. Me and my friend were in a 2 man squad trying to kill a commander while holding the hostage, we broke the jugg’s helmet off, and then a squad of 6 rushed us. We died after killing maybe 3 of them, there was no way of knowing that there were more than 3. It’s “fun” when you’re part of it. It ruins the game otherwise. Squad Hunt contracts need to go too, the only time people grab them is when they want to play it like Warzone. And if a team has more than 3 people they should have a circle on the map similar to the dogtag circles so we can avoid them. It genuinely ruins the game if you have to go up against this often.

[@quinkussj]

I play 95% of the time solo, and I’ve noticed other players are more likely now to request to join. Stodeh has mentioned that they shouldn’t break up the player base with solo squads etc, I agree. Few ideas I have are perks get disabled if you are in a 4-6 man team, an audio warning to players within a radius of a 4-6 man team, like when AI are on high alert. The ability to damage and or shoot down final exfil chopper, so large teams can’t just block 1-2 man teams at final exfil. The thread of losing the exfil should effect strategy of final exfil.

[@oscarcc19]

Agree, and I like your suggestions, but I feel it's part of the game and a somewhat mixed opinion. Because at the end, each one decides to infill solo or not, or accept/deny requests (so it's open to anyone, it's like crying because someone used a sniper and I didn't). Of course 6 man teams shouldn't be so dominant that they can ruin other player experiences, but also they decided to add a team, as anyone can too. Don't want to be wiped, add someone too.

[@1ermejo4ever1]

The final exfil being vulnerable would be game breaking, a solo player could jokr the chopper from miles away and deny any other team the exfil, and there's nothing they can do about it

[@quinkussj]

@@1ermejo4ever1 A solo being able to screw a six man team at final exfil, there’s a new concept in DMZ.

[@shisuiuchiha399]

Or maybe exfil before the final exfil since you know how much risk is involved at the final exfil

[@quinkussj]

@@shisuiuchiha399 exactly, or maybe let that solo on or they mite shoot my chooper down. Creating situations where being positive towards other players is favorable.

[@Hawtload]

let me explain this: once you unlocked your 2nd or 3rd insured slot, there's NOTHING ELSE TO DO so what do you do?: squad up, grab a heli, and get all the squad hunt missions

[@Kingme3144]

🎯

[@Kingme3144]

We need another incentive to do missions besides skins and damn stickers 😂. After Everybody I know got the 3rd slot it's just a big pvp map

[@SashaTheNun]

I farm perks, but there is no skins to farm... the only good skin was in al mazrah but in ashika or building 21 are bad to me, there is nothing you can do except survive if you play solo and farm perks, other thing in my case i trying weapons right now im using a Tempus with a shotgun underbarrel

[@koleoverby8313]

i do appreciate that they added the platoon callout for everyone, even if you dont have a comms vest.

[@RAVAG3DH3AD]

Just about every game we have had this happen over the last cpl of days, we just about regain and get pushed by an unstoppable force, we also noticed more players that always seem to know your exact location, you do a massive wrap around and as soon as you peak you are headshot. I agree that more than 3 man need to be a ping on map, perhaps like a hunt squad with the ping being tighter the more members you have, and make it so players get a bigger reward for killing this size of team or give them a longer cooldown on weapons depending on the size of the team, something negative to counter the power play.

[@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D-]

Hunt marker is a great idea compared to constant UAV pings

[@XristoferLee]

yeah they are probaly using what ever hack that this youtuber is thats giving him endless uavs

[@mrsocko316]

My issue is honestly people asking to join your team, you accept, they report to their former teammates where you are and how many and instantly jump back to their team. Or you rescue someone and have them join your team, and all they do is run right back to their team and ask to join again. I feel like once you've left a team, that's it, you can't join them again.

[@ZeckArriaga]

this is a great idea "activision" take notes please!

[@KallMeKes]

I surprisingly haven't encountered a 4-6 man team yet, I did team up with a trio since it was final exfil but I haven't ecountered one myself

[@RockShoxLoon]

There's definitely an air of invulnerability that you feel when you're rolling in a 6 man squad. However at least twice I've been in a big squad and the squad has been wiped as people were just running around as if they were bulletproof, so it's still easy enough to be out gunned even if you aren't outnumbered, if the team isn't organised.

[@flanthegun]

I have never gone up against a larger team but I have been a part of five player teams loads of times and the only time we almost lost is with a strong defence and some keen snipers

[@Hawtload]

the weak should fear the strong

[@trevorrauch3234]

Quick 6 mans are the norm on Ashika without preplanning. Did 10 runs there last night with a buddy. All but one infil we made a 6 man off the rip just by running to another spawn and inviting. We fought 4-6 man squads in nearly every match.

[@GhostDelta]

I as a solo ran into a 12 man squad. Best part they were all in discord and typed in chat before the game started. Queueing as a 6 man group at the same time is becoming more frequent. I wouldn't mind if they removed the team request feature.

[@goldravensgodawfulgaming3148]

So 4 x 3 man squads turned into 2 x 6 man or the trios all just teamed as they were?

[@GhostDelta]

@@goldravensgodawfulgaming3148 Yup they grouped as two six man squads running the same Kortac skin so they could tell each other apart easier if they started to kinda split, they were just rolling about in a single cargo truck hunting players. They invited me to their discord server after they killed me because they wanted to pick me up when one of them had to go. Said they have been doing it for weeks even told me that you can get the same lobby every time with friends during off hours. talking about how that was the most people they have gotten together in the same lobby but they usually run a 6 man. I left that shit because while I love pvp and hunting players, that shit is boring and toxic. This is why random queue times need to exist.

[@goldravensgodawfulgaming3148]

@@GhostDelta Wow. That's actually awful. I get its PvP and I have had to kill players on occasion ( I am a solo ), but to do that just to hunt players. They must like the language that comes thier way lol

[@KikoBean]

I'm guilty of this. We mainly do this just to get group contracts done faster for all of us, but when we are hunting around we usually stick to people who shoot first (or I do).

[@Phoenix021628]

I agree, 6 man squads can be annoying but we have done it too a few times, we just don’t actively seek out players. Only the ones that are doing missions and if they are just seeking players, we just leave them be or exfil. Funny story, buddy and I dropped in duo, keeled two of a 3-man and they wanted to squad up. Went about doing our mission and 4 min later, a 4-man showed up (5v4). We downed 3 of them and 2 of the other players left our squad and joined this other one (now 6v3). One person from their team stayed with us. Me and my friend wiped the 6-man alone while the other guy still on our squad went to the other side of the map. We were doing hostage and exfil’ing and the other guy died on the exfil chopper before getting out. Just goes to show, it never pays to betray people. Game registered 14 operator kills between the two of us because of revives.

[@Corrie2078]

Create another map where you can only help other operators against AI and let the other maps stay be as they are.

[@captncloud50]

There’s already a fix. I’ve had 2 man teams take out 6 of us. Not on just one occasion. If you play as 6 often enough you’ll know somehow the team can get wiped.

[@NoLandGod]

Reminds me of when me and 2 randoms third partied a 4 v 6 squad at an extract. It was glorious sniping from a distance

[@LivindeadGaming]

Simple solution: Remove assimilation. One of the biggest frustrations with COD dev's, is that they're paid to come up with these quirky ideas but seem to have absolutely no awareness of how they can be abused. I'm no game developer but surely in the testing phase you should be looking at all your features and asking "how can this be abused by the player base and how do we stop it from happening?" If it can be be abused on a game breaking level then it shouldn't be added to the game. Most assimilated squads are probably organic in match but organic or premade via discord or wherever is irrelevant as it's the same end result a lot of the time, they just push everybody on the map, knowing the chances of them all dying are extremely slim

[@datboidego]

So they immediately go and rush anyone that shoots their helicopter but all of the sudden they don’t want to fight 😂😂

[@thishallakshan7410]

you mean stodeh and westie?

[@SChamberlain1978]

What needs to change is the ability of people “meeting up”. Basically, two people (usually in the same house or State) each host a game with two other people in their parties. They then force themselves into the same lobby, meet up at a predetermined location and party up.

[@adamcostilla1692]

There should be a team number limit at 4. If they allow more than 4 they should be marked on the map.

[@shisuiuchiha399]

Awwww😢 😂😂😂😂

[@jamezx4]

i’ve never seen anybody jump into a heli as cool as westie does

[@mrosck1]

It’s awesome to be in 6 squad. You guys did great staking them.

[@dr_pinna543]

So entertaining and suspenseful with the music! I wonder if any of the 5-6 man squads you wipe become subscribers because they look you up out of curiosity lol.

[@carlycrews3200]

I just want to be able to enjoy DMZ like it’s a MMO. I would like to be able to explore and just do missions. Not try to fight others for my life.

[@realtomrowan]

I think the mode would benefit from select lobby's. For me the PvP aspect is one of the biggest parts that makes it great, but limit it to 16 players - personal. If gta online can have an enjoyable solo online mode then cod can should be able to as well

[@zenopssmdk]

I'd say a good fix is that if you have more than 4 members in your squad, you keep your 3 plate vest but you can only shove down 2 plates. This lets people to have a fighting chance, at the same time it welcomes cooperative play by inviting 1 random to your 3 man squad for a optimal 3 plate. Optionaly for a 6 man they could have a permanent game wide bounty, show up on radar when shooting unsurpesses guns, and/or AI are more aggressive to them (meaning more nades, slight accuracy buff, and if the AI are fighting a 2 man squad then they'll back off switching targets. Maybe a faster heli response with T3 enemies.). All these downsides can be offset by 2 things, 1 is a secret mission where they need to hold the fort on a key arena for like 5 ish minutes and they get a heli extract. So for the risk of having so many debuffs they get a custom extract with an extremely high payout.

[@mimicgamer1307]

Tbh it really depends on the teamwork of the 6 man also it makes it easier to deal with pros/ sweat cuz casual players suffer a lot so ya can’t blame us

[@RickyStabs]

Here's an idea! When a team is hunting, the hunted should have a safe house (stronghold) where bots level 3 will protect/help you during the hunting time (spawning bots like crazy as usually they do).

[@trafgod4879]

you guys are an amazing team. thanks for all the great content

[@toshi386]

The more I play DMZ the more frustrating it becomes, just trying do the missions to unlock that 3rd slot. Spawning with 1 plate armor, crappy kontraband weapon, 1 min into the game, team with full 3 plates just mow us down. Respawn into the new game this time with my insured weapon, 1 min into the game again a team with full 3 plate, hunt you down, maybe you can get one guy down, but its just imposibble. I think the game need to spawn people that are regaining into seperate game session, the advantage is just absurd. Or 2 plate armor should be the standard.

[@Broken_Yugo]

I've slowly come to the conclusion that if you don't want to play with cheaters and bullies, avoid online multiplayer FPS games entirely at this point.

[@grygaming5519]

Honestly the easy fix is to remove the ability to add members within the DMZ and just expand the squad size to 6. Then shutttle people into DMZ severs based on squad size Size 1-3, matches with 1-3 regardless and if it doesn't fill you still go in (Similar to tarkov). 4-6 matches with 4-6 squads. This way you cant just go 'hey lets go after these people, then we split and kill each other after'.

[@52moviesayear]

Each player should show up in the minimap to other players if you are a squad of 4 or more. You have a advantage if you squad up this would even the field for regular squads.

[@josephelfrink721]

I find the best solution is to create a 6 man team myself, just talk it out and be friendly when I see more players and im by myself instead of instantly resorting to a shootout with zero intent to negotiate

[@TheMindBullets]

The only issue is there is a difference between a 6 man doing objectives and one that's hunting for players. Different animal altogether.

[@AstriaTVTruthExposed]

My trio team wiped a 6 man yesterday on Ashika of course it was a one time thing cause they had the weapon case. But I think 6 man teams shouldn't exist, it's too much to deal with. Max should be 4

[@TheStanglehold]

DMZ six man teams should lose the ability to use hunt contacts or uavs.

[@sinnersdwarf7138]

6 man teams in DMZ finally allowed me and my mates to play something other than multiplayer together. We just crack on with our game and only engage if fired upon, the only time we break that is if someone has a Hunt Squad faction mission.

[@ThunderingCreation]

Mad Idea: For every operator a person (or squad) kills they're on the map for 30-60 seconds ( ie: 1 kill, 30 seconds, 2 kills, 60 seconds 3 kills 90 seconds etc ) for everyone to see. Was on Ashika the other night, within 5 minutes a squad assimilated me, We spent the rest of the round till last extract in a car just doing laps of the island with uav's hunting players...getting out of hand tbh. I mean i enjoy a lil pvp as much as the next person but this 6 man death squad thing is getting kinda silly.

[@TheRaptorAssassin]

I like the bigger teams cause it encourages friendly play. But anymore than four players you shouldn’t be able to do hunt contracts.

[@jamesbarnette4350]

nah these people group up in discord and then find the two geographically closest people to be party leads. then join at the same time read server ID as soon as it connect if same then you are gonna be in same server together if not you back out and try again. 6 manning is honestly way to easy. they could fix this by just stopping showing the server ID in the bottom left corner

[@winds10]

Best DMZ content ever. Period. You guys are awesome.

[@ScotWilder]

Problem of the 6 person team absolutely needs fixed. The only reason we end up with a 4 person squad is because there are 4 of us that want to play together, we have zero interest in hunting other teams and go out of our way to help solos if they don't shoot on sight. Which is the other problem, started playing DMZ folks helped each other or killed each other after the usual handshake time to figure ot if they were firendly / enemy. We were in a car with two of us, intentionally avoided hitting a solo in the car, he beamed the driver then me as I turned to fight, absolutely it s PvP mode with PvE but there are so many other modes that are full PvP, go play them. 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 player DMZ and make it the team can't be bigger than the game mode allows, takes away the inviting epople in but 6 person teams are there all the time now, seen plenty of other good suggestions as well on here.

[@Davidiad]

By being patient. Usually larger teams thinks they are invincible and play badly by rushing and being exposed. Choose your fights, take your time, kill them one at the time.

[@TheMindBullets]

The attitude of 6 man squads is what really makes it difficult for me and group I play with. We'll regularly take on 6 man teams only because we have to, but when they kill your 3 man squad they act like it's a major accomplishment. They aren't doing objectives and are only there to ruin the lobby play. Hunt Squads shouldn't be available to teams with more than 3 players.

[@efhraimhanzmiranda691]

Bear with me since I said a lot but I do agree about this issue here. No doubt, as someone part of a big group when you're running a 6 man team it gets pretty boring tbh. There are times when there's no strategy needed to think of and simply let my buddies go at them. There's no thrill or sense of accomplishment after that since it didn't take a lot of effort to wipe a team. I cannot say this for all the teams out there but from my experiences constantly being part of a big group, the biggest disadvantage that I can say: Is that people start to get confident and simply not think anymore due to the quantity of the team and this is very true since I keep observing my group teamwork. As someone the most experienced of the group, There's probably not a run when I keep on reminding them not to become a bot and getting wiped when they meet really good players. We simply kept winning because of our quantity and I kept on being on the back of the group to clutch it when needed. I am not proud at all and feel really bad for adding to the problem. Though there's not much I can do to not break the group's fun. Another way you can take on a large group is by: Spreading them as much as possible just like these two great dudes did here. They will not realize they're making a mistake since they're in such a big group. This is hard to pull off but it's not impossible since I experienced it firsthand. It usually happens when I am the first one to be killed. Since most of the time they rely on me they get pretty lost midway of the firefight especially when the enemy team is really smart and taking the PASSIVE approach. Patience is the key against big groups, creating as much distance as you can from us 😅 and pick us off one by one. Keep on changing positions, and hitting different angles to keep up the momentum just like what I say to my group, "don't let them breath". Keep on cornering them, let them know who are being hunted. I tell you the built up adrenaline can make them do dumbshits. I love my friends but at the same time I am also done being part of the problem 😅 taught them how to pvp since they're all new but didn't expect to bring the evils out of them 😅 If ever you got at this point, sorry for taking up your time and thanks for reading this rabbling I did. Here a pizza: 🍕

[@delfindle]

"Ice, we've got a problem. I have four aircraft on radar. Four bogeys."

[@artvandelay6306]

No Hunt Squad contracts once you have more than 3 people, would be a start.

[@dougburton001]

I haven't played DMZ in weeks. I'm done with it. I play solo and it's so hard to complete the missions it takes all the fun out of it. I'm back to playing standard multiplayer so at least every few games I can eke out a win. Good luck keeping viewers watching DMZero fun.

[@isaacwilson9825]

The game ending at 13:50 made me really happy :)

[@CollyWobbles357]

Video should be titled “The Biggest Problem for the way Stodeh and Westie like to play DMZ”.

[@thepodium3441]

I think another way around this problem (if COD maintained their player population 😕) would have been to add DMZ solos & duos into the mix and make it that the largest team you can create in game is double the max infil squad size. So for solos, 2 is your max. And for duos it would be 4. Additionally to this, adding a reputation system for the factions and AI would be ideal and would slow the PvP intensity we’re all feeling rn. Perhaps have safe houses for factions where teams can retreat to (locations tbd) where the AI won’t shoot you if reputation is good, but would shoot an opposing team. This could be interesting for rounds where teams are thirsty and chase you forever or they have a Hunt contract on you. Also like the “extreme threat” indicator that could be created. Even if it’s something that’s audibly said and pinged if that large team is within a certain range of you.

[@mrowl-ev8bm]

I play solo dmz 95 percent of the time. And. Always starting over. When I do extract I stockpile keys for like drifting supply bag or main harbor control in order to regain ally gear. The only thing I can do is as soon as I know a teams near by I spam the want to join button. I totally agree with your recent video about solo player being able to plead or spawning with 2 plate and self res. Found your channel recently and you guys are awesome and inspiring thanks for the content

[@grosen84]

Just had a round of DMZ. Within 2 min. We Got rushed by a full 6 man squard. Never hear any enemy coms. But they where cordinated for sure. The players where the same people who was spamming text that Pre lobby. But when the round started no more texts. They need to disable the prelobby text chat. Soo that 6 players dont have a easy time joining the same server. Or add a 1-20 seconds delay on finding a match

[@superscifi12]

This isn't even a problem.. the actual biggest problem is the shadow bans from rage reporting. With the no communication.

[@josephelfrink721]

I guess it's only a problem for content creators who aren't able to or don't want to use their in game microphone to try to talk to enemy teams or use any kind of diplomacy

[@derekweiland1857]

If you're being hunted, it should tell you how many are hunting you.

[@alucinaut7588]

Easiest fix: squads can only get contracts based on the size of target squad.

[@AceTHFC]

Totally agree they have to make it harder for larger teams. Me and a friend are constantly being chased by 5 or 6 man teams, they just roll up in multiple vehicles and then it’s a game of survival which is just rubbish. Doing missions is so bloody hard because of these teams

[@shisuiuchiha399]

Awww😢 😂😂😂😂

[@shadowz9746]

me and my mates had a 6 man squad pull up 5 minutes into a game of ashika, the only way we actually survived is because we all ran tear gas with thermal sights so we lured them into a building, gassed them and let loose, this is becoming a serious issue

[@Stopsign32v]

There absolutely shouldn't be a disadvantage for larger teamed up squads. If that is your logic then lets put a disadvantage to 3 man squads to help out the solo players. Now if you are really complaining about being stream sniped by a 6 man squad that are in it together then that is your problem and not something related to 99.999% of the players anyways.

[@seishir000]

You see if you had a warning on screen that a squad has just been formed, would be a cool way for players to be prepared and change game style, like if there is a 6 person team everyone gets a warning on screen where they were formed something like *A NEW 6 MAN TEAM HAS BEEN FORMED IN - HALFID PORT" so all can get a headsup

[@seishir000]

or if there are more than 3 people in a team they can't get hunt contracts

[@grizzlythicc1286]

I actually really like that idea. Give them a threat level for sure.