Throne & Liberty is Ruining My Life

[@fiends001]

But does it respect your time? xD

[@bakterija3089]

No

[@tanatos1997]

xdding

[@gregorygreg000]

Absolutely not; the timegating is insane 🙃

[@liamnissanS2K]

If the game doesn't respect your time , the guild you join sure as fuck won't lol

[@nowhale]

Poor dude will get this question under every video he make till the end of his life)

[@Frothmeister]

Am i the only one that thinks this game has an overwhelming number of systems? Like upgrading skills, skill specialization, picking passives, upgrading gear, crafting gear, weapon specializations, picking your weird little healer pet guy, different shift forms, skill points, i feel like my menus are constantly telling me that i need to put some points somewhere

[@SaddBoi74]

You’re right it’s definitely a lot. I’m trying to get into it and understand it but man…it can feel pretty overwhelming. So much to read and process but I’ll stick it through for now and give myself a chance to hunker down and learn.

[@ogbreeze1081]

Yea I quit playing already. And I feel like the story is boring. I hit level 12 and just like yea nah

[@RaielGaming]

just watching the video drained me

[@Buccanneer502]

Typical Asian MMO bullshit.

[@Djr2699]

that was my problem, I deleted the game because theres so much going on. I really want to play but I have to know how everything works

[@fordie8music584]

I was ready to completely give up on this game until I watched your video and saw there was a setting for auto attack nearest enemy when attacking without a target. This was my biggest gripe the last couple days. I'm just not used to having to target enemies in melee range.

[@baddaysbasil5376]

This setting is literally a game-changer. See, "literally" can be used properly, people! ;P

[@nervosadustbolt9642]

Try looking through the setting next time on your own..

[@Matthew-ij3zm]

@@nervosadustbolt9642 try playing games with good combat systems, you'll end up forgetting all about "looking through the settings" too.

[@Matthew-ij3zm]

@@nervosadustbolt9642 try playing games with good combat systems, you'll end up forgetting all about "looking through the settings" too.

[@lunamerci7801]

@@nervosadustbolt9642 Try posting useful comments like OP

[@aesirgaming1014]

I have enjoyed the global release very much, just as I enjoyed playing in KR. However, I am afraid that the same issue will hit after a little while on global servers. On KR, the game really lost popularity when people realized that the biggest alliance on most servers (not all, but most) could simply gatekeep the best items at endgame. This meant that either players had to a.) be in the biggest alliance, b.) spend a bunch of real world cash or c.) spend a ton of time grinding less efficient items to make income to buy the best items on the AH. This caused the game to lose a lot of its casual fanbase and a lot of players that were hardcore, but just not into hardcore PvP. It also caused a lot of builds to become less viable. Basically, if a build wasn't powerful in PvP (usually large-scale PvP), it was a lesser build because the builds need to maintain/break a gatekeep pretty much had to fit this mold. Thus, if you wanted to take Option A and have access to top tier items, you pretty much had to be running a meta PvP build and be into PvP. I am a pretty hardcore PvPer and even I had a lot of issues with this model. After falling out with the leadership in a top KR guild (because I dared criticize the guild leader's little brother for not following instructions during large-scale PvP), I was basically blacklisted and progressing became either impossible or consisted of running in circles, killing the same mobs over and over and over again. This isn't fun for most people and so I left. I came back to the global release because I really, really want to like this game. It's a beautiful game with modern graphics, yet a throwback feel to gameplay. As someone who remembers the days when MMORPG's were a brand new genre, I absolutely love this feel. I am hoping against hope to find a server where the top alliance behaves responsibly and gives most on the server a chance to have access to top-tier gear so that everyone can push the endgame. To guild leaders out there, if you want to keep this game alive and healthy, I highly recommend that this is what you do. I'm not saying give people a free pass at stuff, but don't gatekeep it so hard that everyone but your alliance and a few RPers quit the game.

[@lunamerci7801]

Interesting

[@DragonSkyShadow]

Community issue and stupid system, if thats gonna affect playerbase.

[@light18pl]

I think by saying that running around killing mobs is not fun you just insulted the entire BD player base 🤣

[@Cogbyrn]

I had no idea this game existed until two days ago when it was released. Picked it up on PS5, and the more I play, the more I enjoy. Feels like an MMO player's MMO, packed with systems and paragraphs-long skill descriptions with obscure stats, but man am I having fun.

[@Too2Cold]

Wait is on ps5?

[@alirajani3901]

Yes!​@@Too2Cold

[@Too2Cold]

@@alirajani3901 tysm for the info I thought it was pc only and my pc is terrible 😂 I got a chance to enjoy the game with full graphics

[@jinx4729]

​@Too2Cold 20 a month for geforce cloud gaming, max settings every game lol

[@bkbstone]

I can't get over the silly anime stuffed toy that follows me around everywhere, had to uninstall.

[@duffno1]

This game has filled my mmo hunger for a real new MMO since GW2 lol.

[@typeluminanejoyer]

u'll get to the endgame dissapointed and u will go back to gw2 as everyone lol

[@duffno1]

@@typeluminanejoyer LOL. Never said I left GW2. Wasn’t this game in beta and just now officially released 10/1? How much content exactly was it supposed to have on day 3 Debbie?.

[@stringslinger91]

Gives me the gw2 combat feels

[@wtfvideos3264]

​@@stringslinger91gw2 is way more fluid when it comes to combat

[@tonecyphers9239]

I definitely understand, it scratches a different itch h because GW2 doesn’t have a real gear progression

[@GkK-to3jr]

No one is going to speak about Throne & Liberty in a year I think.

[@Tomi-sc7dv]

Thanks for not lying about P2W like so many other creators

[@australienski6687]

Who has said it's not pay to win? Literally everyone has said it's pay to win.

[@VaticanTop]

@@australienski6687 It's really not though, you will realize that a fully decked out blue f2p player can easily kill a full purple. The power difference is 5% at most and even then you can't p2w skill books.

[@australienski6687]

@@VaticanTop Well I can see why it failed in Korea, whales aren't going to stick around if paying a lot of money gives them a 5% boost over free players.

[@Razyel2340]

⁠@@australienski6687Lol Maplestory and Lost Ark are extremely popular in Korea. They don’t care about monetization.

[@vincentproud6589]

@@VaticanTop X to doubt.

[@real_ez8412]

Melee distance needs to be increased the fact ypu take 1 step back and it disconnects your combo is very bad. My biggest complaint by far.

[@Stoopzz]

Actually so true haha

[@dyslexicape4249]

They really need to make attack nearest enemy when attacking without a target the default setting because I’m sure thousands of people have quit simply because of it

[@Deus_Te_Ama_Muito]

I like the joystick mode but it's such a pain in the ass you're I just the middle of an eye vent and you have to freaking press L3 to change target.

[@alexandruciordas4941]

what the heck are you even saying. The game literally sucks because of the auto attack and now you want even auto target like what?

[@dyslexicape4249]

@@alexandruciordas4941 what are you even saying bro. What do you mean game sucks because of auto attack do you want to spam e 100 times per enemy? The game already has the auto target I just think it should be default setting

[@alexandruciordas4941]

@@dyslexicape4249 of course the game sucks, I give it 2 months till it dies 😂

[@Deus_Te_Ama_Muito]

@@alexandruciordas4941 the problem is when you target lock enemies, the game will prior next enemy from your aim, not the ones closest hitting you, which makes very frustrating.

[@Corusame]

I call these types of MMO's sunken cost fallacy traps. You go through the honey moon phase where everything seems great but when the real grind kicks in and you realise its essentially just a progression hamster wheel you've invested too much of your time or money to quit.

[@TheChrisLouis]

Perfectly stated. I also like to call it a pig with lipstick.

[@Dew-b8b]

Every mmo is ultimately a hamster wheel, this game isn't different.

[@marzoval9551]

And that is by design.

[@RavenCroftLoft]

Casino and psychological manipulations at its finest. Just stop it already.

[@allthatishere]

You can literally label every MMO a sunken cost fallacy, especially the ones with subscriptions in them.

[@Sinnersmight]

same frfr what i love most is the general RPG enjoyment of progressing your gear, stats, and feeling that difference in combat is great. excited to be able to enjoy m+ like content without having to pay for a sub and have the MMO gear progression along with it.

[@Deus_Te_Ama_Muito]

They had to do that with skills too, starting a game that feels MMO with 14 skills is just too much to our brain.

[@JamieR]

I have no de-sync issues in Norway/ EU. Feels super smooth. I have seen many in NA who stream with these issues. It's likely server overload.

[@echo5827]

Definitely a consumable MMO not a forever game, but those don't come out anymore especially for MMOs

[@jorgetinoco3574]

Exactly my fucking point. Everyone is worry sick about the future, if you enjoy the game PLAY it, the future doesn't affect your current enjoyment. If it goes to shit, quit and play something else. Why is everyone so mentally ill about video games replacing their life purpose or something holy

[@chc2650]

@@jorgetinoco3574 Because they think every game is going to be like WoW, a pop culture phenomenon that has lasting 20 year legacy.

[@doggodoggy]

this game seems fun, but i know for a fact if a game is around big groups of people, me as a casual will never be able to find these big groups

[@ThisGuy-up9nd]

There's matchmaking and it's quick. You can solo everything else

[@aaronchong2194]

@@ThisGuy-up9nd I can definitely solo GvG right, especially those big guild with ton of whales and alliances, I can solo them right?

[@ThisGuy-up9nd]

@@aaronchong2194 wasn't talking about GvG.

[@KazaarLotha]

gaming was once an isolated plane of equality. now we have these people telling us how p2w is not a problem. it just removes the whole point.

[@Charlie-lx9mg]

Bruh just play if you wanna play or don’t play if you don’t wanna play. why do people making videos have that much influence over how YOU play or enjoy a game. Just let people play whatever the f k they want, however the f k they want, whenever the f k they want

[@alexsanchez1620]

Gaming was never equal , even with no p2w some people are just better. There is a reason most pros in games are kids and teens

[@B-...]

Why these replies so defensive. The person just gave their valid opinion.

[@thienkhainguyen1771]

​@@B-... you dont see the irony? The other 2 were giving there opinion as well.

[@nanashi4147]

I’m having loads of fun playing a game for FREE while you’re crying.

[@wetlettuce69420]

genuinely a good review. others feel like a copy paste based on a reddit post lol

[@Onikrex]

I've played Maplestory too much. Its so quiet, but I instantly knew the background music was from it.

[@UnholyToastxd]

El Nath OST, an absolute peaceful classic.

[@brennenhernandez4830]

Orbis Tower

[@HoodrichShinobi]

MapleStory BGM is unmatched. The crimsonwood keep track goes so hard

[@xTreyray]

LITH HARBOR GOES HARRRRRRD

[@f8widescat392]

That’s what the stats reminded me of, this game was made for the real mmo players

[@CosyComfyDan]

At first I was thinking that transformation were really cool. But now I'm kind of missing mounts and seeing my character on it.. I don't really know why but when I run and transform then transform back to human then run again and transform... something break in my head, maybe my immersion ? I don't know. Am I the only one?

[@SungJinwoo666]

Now that is a title that wont be a problem in the future . Thanks for the video Stoopzz .

[@avirei98]

I am so happy you mentioned this because I thought it was just my steam deck over wifi. And I keep telling people this is a mobile game without the automation marketed towards PC players. They pulled a genshin impact, to PC players that game was new in revolutionary to people who played games on the phone before we recognized it for what it was. I am having a blast playing this but this is nothing new if you have played any phone mmo.

[@EruRoraitoX]

New players don't know whom NCSoft is, but they will learn about it once they understand how much time they've waste on their games. Won't take long until they make this a literal slot machine, like they did with Blade and Soul [other MMOs too but I gave up before their greed reached me, sure I did waste some time thinking I could reach endgame until I realised that without spending time on alts and 8h per day or cash I wasn't gonna reach anywhere]

[@TheExperiment1337]

This happened with Aion as well. Even worse with Gameforge

[@DyonisX]

@@TheExperiment1337 I've only ever played private servers with Aion but I can tell how awfully monetised it's meant to be

[@australienski6687]

They own GW2 and it hasn't changed philosophy.

[@Gurgio]

They specifically held off from being too greedy in this game, and that's the main reason it failed in Korea, people there feel the need to pay to be better

[@australienski6687]

​@@Gurgio It's not that, games with P2W make all their money from whales, if whales can get beaten by free players they won't stay. Either make the game full P2W or don't have it in at all.

[@sayseriously]

One of the better early reviews for Throne.

[@AmViR1]

Although I don't play wow anymore, it still has the crown for the best MMO.

[@PureTranceSoul]

it just feels like.. Lost Ark with a different skin. Rng upgrading systems.. So many different things to upgrade This will turn into Lost Ark. Can't join groups or raids unless you have XYZ

[@cnigth93]

lost ark has cool skins

[@Willias]

Nah, this feels more like Lineage 2, where Lost Ark feels more like Dungeon Fighter Online.

[@CTN404]

I thought this game was like if Lost Ark and Guild Wars 2 had a baby lol

[@bobthor9647]

Exactly. To me it's like everyone forgot Lost Ark is a game

[@divinopolitano]

@@Willias He is talking about progression, not combat.

[@cyradus]

This game is predatory trash to people with low impulse control. The problem with the MMO genre is that the people that still play MMOs accept this because the game is "free" to play.

[@Fuz2yman]

I am the other way... I started with EA and I was in love, the visuals, the skills etc it felt amazing, but unfortunately it turned sour fast... Maybe i played too much, but at this point i think i got over the fluff and got bored. For me the combat is too automated and there is very low skill ceiling... everything is auto aim, auto turn, auto target, even targeted skills auto lock onto your target lol, it's just too much for me and it feels like the game is playing itself...

[@chc2650]

It was designed to play itself, they reverse engineered it to be a game from an autobattler mobile game.

[@ElderSign32]

my man is completely addicted to predatory monetization

[@DukesUp1]

It's easy AF to make the premium currency, you're literally just a loser if you buy it. It's so easy to get, you probably could get more, faster, than someone buying it lol

[@KnowNoLimit001]

P2P players fuming that a game is trying to make money and the F2P is either too poor or too cheap to buy Instead, they want to be on the same level as players who pay, yet they don't contribute anything aside being a body in the game. Poor monetization is a dead argument F2P runs to every time they see a Korean, Chinese,Japanese game. If you are playing something for free and you put more than 50 hours in, they deserve some money. A triple A game like Cod, or woke and DEI infested game would ask you for 40$, and you would say that is ok.

[@Outplayedqt]

@@KnowNoLimit001 I’d much rather pay a forced monthly sub with paid expansions than deal with this game’s $ system. After Lost Ark, I’ve learned my lesson.

[@denjii9]

u dont know predatory monetization, go play some archeage lost ark or bdo

[@shamanschlong]

@@denjii9 you're an idiot

[@emmanuelblue1320]

I am sorry for the people who have any expectations from a game made by NCSOFT, this company would rather kill their own game for a quick cashgrab (Aion's tragic fall as top mmorpg +BnS...) than sustain a desent game and a healthy player base. Koreans dont play Throne and Liberty.....thats all you need to know about it. This game is a cashgrab and its clear as day, everything about it feels like its AI generated, the world and feel of the game is not better than any mobile trash you will find out there and thats BECAUSE it was meant to be a mobile game in the first place. Of course there are a ton of people trying it out now at launch, the mmo community is starving for anything new nowadays that however wont last and changes nothing.

[@Vandakai]

Yep, however they also have over 100s of mobile phone games that lead the world in P2W as well.. This is something else people should know.

[@rayrayz4667]

ArenaNet is owned by NCSOFT and they make Guild Wars 2 so you can imagine most of the player base is looking at Throne and Liberty and thinking- wtf...your MMO is right here but you haven't reinvested in us so were lacking in terms of marketing and features. It's a slap in the face to us so yeah I guess they'll get what they deserve at our expense.

[@dante58]

It feels weird to play. I don't know if I can even properly articulate what exactly I mean by that. The core of the combat and movement feels really strange like the design has been pulled in a dozen different directions before arriving at whatever it is now.

[@andrewryan2237]

Any game that requires you to log in daily at specific hours sometimes to not miss out on content and lag behind is a slave machine and u are the slave. What you want is an MMO that respects your time but also rewards those who grind smarter and can do something in less time due to their player skill and not getting time gated and dictated by the game on what, how and when to do it.

[@youtoobz146]

Any pay to win is a hard stop for me. Period. I absolutely despise it.

[@ThirdSonSeth]

Why? It’s pve so it doesn’t make any difference, right?

[@youtoobz146]

@@ThirdSonSeth it's not just PVE? It's also PVP where the pay to win hits the most.

[@ThirdSonSeth]

@@youtoobz146 it’s mostly pve, though.

[@youtoobz146]

@@ThirdSonSeth it doesn't matter. Pay to win is always worst than not.

[@ThirdSonSeth]

@@youtoobz146 unless you’re playing pvp, it doesn’t affect you.

[@Belleslayer]

The leveling was so smooth and well paced, the world feels alive and the side quests are interesting, the navigation and exploration with the morphs are great. Been playing the end game for some 80h by now and I'm really pleased with the loop, the grind feels like a ARPG sometimes and I love it, the PvE content is fun and give enough challenge. I'm not that interested in the PvP, and I apreciate the fact it's totally optional.

[@Chu.mungus]

As long as the game doesn't create toxic gameplay, that in turn creates a toxic community... like lost ark, im all for it!

[@liquidcourage6414]

People were gatekeeping the first dungeon day one in this game, expecting group members to know the mechanics and be over geared. So not a good sign.

[@Corusame]

This is a korean mmo, Its going to be exactly like Lost Ark lol. That's the standard business model over there

[@agentmaine8126]

Apparently Korean players jumped over to the new early access servers so there's max level guilds already just going around killing players

[@nautilaz]

@@agentmaine8126 Damn that makes a lot of sense after playing and getting wiped with no clue.

[@Boretooth]

It's strange that so many say this game feels stale or too old, but then reference WoW with holy reverence... another tab-target, old, stare-feeling game...

[@chillidari-9392]

You clearly have never played wow, the game is buttery smooth.

[@改善23]

@@chillidari-9392 not gonna try as i already puke from how it looks.

[@chillidari-9392]

@@改善23 I did not ask little bro

[@MrCarlWax]

​@@chillidari-9392I have, it's stale and sterile

[@chc2650]

WoW classic is goated, but I dont want to play vanilla WoW on beast rig, I bought this gaming PC for a reason

[@Luc9Nine]

since tutorial i have this weird feeling about the camera/combat, it feels so clunky I hate it. i will try again with some of these setting changes and see how it feels.

[@Dwayneff]

that radiant wolf morph :( you can't get it anymore which BLOWS...it's the best looking morph in the game currently.

[@Xshifto]

i dont think you should be getting locked out of dungeon loot after, it should at least give you some less valuable by products or of sorts for reruns. what do you guys think?

[@diaboliquedia4300]

It can exclude you from the epics pool but allow you to get blue gear and mats would be fair?

[@saxman5122]

Great video mister man! From my experience playing the game, i agree with you 100%. Coming from LOA I love the way this game look and feels. From the UI elements to the graphical style and the art, it seems really polished. I'm expecting the combat to get better but so far it is fun enough to experiment with the different weapons and going to new zones

[@Raven_Sol]

I've put in about 15 hours so far, and I have to say, the leveling process feels like a real slog. I genuinely want to push through, but I often find myself unable to play for more than two hours at a time. While I absolutely love the world design and the stunning graphics, the early gameplay, as you mentioned, feels quite clunky and really detracts from the overall experience. On top of that, the mobile-like features, particularly the menu navigation and the gear system, just don’t appeal to me. Currently, I'm at level 30 and trying to push toward the endgame, hoping that things improve down the line. However, I’m starting to feel discouraged and losing confidence that it will get any better.

[@sallverrhino6226]

Can someone explain to me why i would want to do a PVP world boss instead of a peacefull world boss? Are there any benefits from doing the PVP boss? Or is it just fun to kill other players?

[@Mohawx28]

I mean, its a free game. Why are people so surprised it is p2w? Been playing f2p and have been able to make atleast 20-30 usd worth of lucent without swiping. Dungeons actually have mechanics and isnt too bad. The open world pvp and pvp events are fun. If you actually put in a little effort instead of crying the game is enjoyable

[@Marco-929]

Really like the technical and artistic aspect of the game. Really impressiv but why is the combat (most important aspect of an MMO/ARPG) so bad compared to Lostark or BDO... Sad that they sticked to this old school tap target world of warcraft like combat system. Feels completly outdated to me.

[@SavageGameHawk]

@@Marco-929oh you mean the best mmo ever made? Tab targeting out dated? 😂 it’s the best form of targeting for an mmo

[@dragonquake]

League of legends is f2p😊

[@Dreadspark_]

Heyo glad to see you reviewing. Hope you’re doing well too. Love that this one came with suggestions to help with issues. ❤

[@Riaining7]

The nighttime conflict pvp in the open world seems like a really cool idea. I wonder how long the day and night cycles are, could be oppressive, could be great, either way I don't intend to play it. I'm an old Lineage II retail veteran from Kain, and to this very day wish that NCSoft would just re-create L2 without the hellish exp grind, and implement it in a new engine like UE5 with modern WASD movement and keybindings. They'd have an instant hit on their hands. They could do it, they have multiple teams with cookie-cutter engines just waiting to build a game on. It's just sad that monetization ruins the experience of all these games they make. They should use Arenanet's Guild Wars 2 as the blueprint for their mmos, and they could save themselves a lot of investment in their failed games. Or they could hire someone like me as a consultant with executive authorities to point their devs in the correct direction for massive success. One day, I'll form my own studio and do it myself if they don't; or someone else will. Maybe Mike Morhaime's new game company Dreamhaven will do that?

[@XenosFFBE]

I freaking hate conflict events. In a pay to win game, pvp is just not fun.

[@oScRuFFiE]

Major QOL change I'd love to see is 3 skill pages PER GEAR SET instead of only 3 TOTAL. There are SO many builds I'd love to make and be able to have on hand as opposed to having to recreate them every time I want to play them. Also the game is pay to lose, you buy gear so that you essentially no longer have to do the content that drops said gear. You are paying money to remove parts of the game that you could be playing through and enjoying.

[@dyslexicape4249]

By far best review I’ve seen of this game so far. Not totally negative about the game just because of bad things and painting the complete picture, while remaining completely objective

[@liamnissanS2K]

This game Is a HUGE mixed bag. I dont even know how I feel about It yet. I do know I dont like the community very much.

[@chrisbrooks840]

It's the same as every new MMO at launch, trash.

[@Shyira1]

I'll be honest bro, I like stoopz, but I'm not gonna take his opinion on game reviews anymore, man's missed the mark everytime 😂 Not only that anytime I play a game and there are 4+ currency at the top of a menu, that's kap.

[@Corusame]

I thought he was pretty fair about tbh, much better than all the CC's that are shilling for it. This is a korean mmo end of the day, the standard business model is make things fun for F2P until they reach the endgame then you either open your wallet or no life for the whole day, every day for the rest of your life just to not get gatekept from raids.

[@ProvideR3301]

yeah i agree that 100 diffrenet currencies is a sign that the game is trash, but this is the world we living in, shit meta everywhere

[@Corusame]

@@ProvideR3301 luckily there's a lot of great games which don't use this kind of predatory monetisation bullshit

[@jelledemaeyer7329]

I kind of secretly hope this game pops of a more in the west than it did in Korea and that will incentivize the devs to follow a bit more in FF14s footsteps instead of the typical PW2 type mmos that we are used to from the eastern markets.

[@yik3sy]

From KanonXO stream. Just hit subscribed. The in depth analysis you did here is so Gigachad. Thank you

[@Steve_R418]

Pay to win PVP focused MMO that is completely controlled by top guilds with clunky combat.....yeah think i'll pass

[@yousef.al-assaf]

What pay to win? There's nothing that money can get you in this game other than skins

[@MM97MM97]

@@yousef.al-assaf Are you playing the same game lol?

[@yousef.al-assaf]

@@MM97MM97 Sorry, bad wording. There is nothing in this game that you can get with real money and can't get by grinding for it, other than skins* Fixed it.

[@australienski6687]

I'm actually disappointed they went with separate servers. It's 2024 I don't care for the "old school" feeling, nobody talks since half the people are on console anyway. Should have just made a mega server with sharding/phasing, inevitably we will end up with dead servers, there's no reason for it in 2024.

[@Amiichii666]

I tried this on the PS5, it felt really crammed. Also the idea of having to go into a menu to adjust the camera settings instead of being able to do a controller combination to do that, was very annoying :'> after watching this video, it made me more certain to not continue. I'm not a P2W and PvP enjoyer. I wouldn't be surprised if the game will have a lot of toxicity revolving around killing low level players and kicking members from guilds for not parsing high enough.

[@cheesecannon1519]

I got the same feeling when playing on controller too. I even tried to sort of emulate my controller setup I use for ffxiv but it just doesn’t work. No matter what it’ll feel clunky. And don’t even get me started on them relying on contextual button combos (tap for one action, hold for another). They are so annoying and always result in making you do something you didn’t want to do.

[@intelligence6900]

That “off” feeling is why I uninstalled maybe they will fix it at some point

[@Vandakai]

I am sorry they cant here your issues with all the credit/debit cards chinging in the background. . . NCSoft never fixes anything you will get what you get and they will milk the players they have now and then in the future they will start to milk even harder and harder just like they did their other MMOs.. NCSoft is like MMO Vampires. . . Not to mention the their greediest p2w mobile phone publisher in the known world. . .

[@aurelianmanoli7359]

As a big Lineage fan, and I mean old-school Lineage 2(C4-6) this game reminds me of the epic PvP action I had back in those days. You are right that it’s not for everyone and the P2W is there but the P2W aspect is managed by just playing the game. You can make the currency by just playing the game so it doesn’t bother me at all. I love the fact that there is no OP build, just like in L2 every class has its henchman. Big like for the game and has a lot of potential to be a staple in MMO genre.

[@WRSTxPumbaa]

The main channel is alive pog

[@davlar9714]

I’m personally really digging T&L, definitely a fresh breath of air compared to LOA. Much more traditonal’y MMO, and so far a very chill experience. In fact, I was so efficient in my CD’s today because I couldn’t wait to log off and play T&L, even got a 20k fate ember, as if the game asked me to stay lmao.

[@DavidSchleigh]

bro everytime maplestory osts start playing i get so freaking nostalgic.

[@Afterhours.101]

Mmos should never cater to solos, ever. Thats not an mmo. Thats not why people play mmos. Period.

[@Looneytokk]

Imagine getting an amazing drop from a dungeon and ur guild leader decides who gets it. Such bs.

[@Akodi]

People hating on the game or the P2W aspects aside. Great video, and very informative.

[@KanonXO]

god tier content from a god tier creator

[@wienermerchant42]

not even subbed

[@Fiendai]

doing tricks on it

[@ElusiveClit]

get a life amoeba

[@jawetty3273]

doing flips on it

[@MikkiZHskDK]

What threw me off after a few hours and left me uninstalling is the terrible ui for questing and tons of systems bring introduced at lvl 5-12, from different crafting and upgrades etc , i dont wanna be bombarded with quests, if i want a quest ill take it, dont throw do many world objectives and appendixes in my face ontop of the story so early

[@doomshaman5853]

Regarding guilds, it is beneficial to be in the top guild on each server, unfortunately, rest do not really matter. Epherium, SYN, Focus, Elysian, Reborn etc.

[@gsofficial]

This game is great for people who haven't played any other MMOs.

[@Corusame]

Great to make them avoid all other MMO's in the future you mean lol. Once players start getting gatekept from raids it'll dawn on them all those many hours grinding were worthless when you're up against someone who opens their wallet.

[@David-mg5jx]

Stop swiping bro!

[@Deiwulf]

Can't wait to not play the game and buy everything instead~

[@Crazywhitie]

The enemy lock on is horrible, the Map is horrible, Quest tracking is bad and they need to fix the menu issue with the conteoller.

[@timjo5956]

Will eventually try the game after the Hype Phase and see if its any good in a couple of weeks :D

[@oriain81]

The question is how pay to win is it? Worse or better than Lost Ark?

[@bushy9780]

seems way worse considering pvp is standardized in LA as opposed to open world pvp in this game.

[@oriain81]

@@bushy9780 thanks

[@tropicalrubi_LOA]

Worse beacuse p2w in Lost Ark doesn't allow you to win over anyone else since it's a PvE game, and the small amount of PvP is equalized. In T&L, the premiere endgame is PvP focused, so people who pay have a direct advantage over people who don't pay.

[@oriain81]

@@bushy9780 ty

[@igniteforsaken]

As someone who has played the game, it is much better than Lost Ark because free to play players can catch up to whales in most circumstances after maybe a month or so? So the gap isn't that big. If you know what you're doing, you can close the gap in less time than that. As an F2P i havent had any issues fighting whales, but certain builds will counter me because the nature of the game is rock-paper-scissors.

[@meriwidget3474]

Had a lot of fun in the character creator! ... Then I started playing, got bored pretty fast and haven't had any urge to log back in. PvP focus is always a negative for me as well.

[@raizovile]

I'm rly enjoying the game as f2p player currently guildless on karnix sadly and i work 40 hours a week just taken my time learning the game.

[@ximonwhhatt3796]

If they allow you to level up without fighting monsters but doing crafting or fishing like in runescape that would be insane.

[@michaelcaban1749]

This game is fun temporarily. I Don't think this game should be taken seriously especially how peditory the developers can get in these type of games. I play for the moment and i am enjoying so far.

[@Orsiex]

Did I hear maplestory in the background?

[@starbreeze7249]

If people pay close attention to the graphics and the combat, it might distract them long enough from what type of game they're actually playing, and who made it

[@Vandakai]

Amazon has done nothing but fail constantly and then NCSoft is the biggest p2w publisher in the known timeline with 100s of mobile p2w phone games and then all their og mmos they killed off at some point with p2w there as well. /shrug I will continue playing what I am playing and watching people get mad over this game in a few months cause of the p2w. . AND EVEN IF the game hangs around a while then NCSoft will make the MTX even more hardcore at some point and ruin the game even further just like they did with Aion.

[@michaelknight4099]

I gave it a shot and thought it was decent but knowing its p2w just doesn’t allow me to invest any kind of real time into it. Maybe I’ll check it out again down the road.

[@matthiastietz3303]

explain p2w

[@ninetaledgundamx]

man, I sat at the starting area for 20 mins playing with the melee weapons and I just couldn't figure out why it was so weird. those damn settings lol. Thanks for pointing it out. I ended up using dual cross bow and wand/book lol

[@S_l_o_p_p_y]

Is that MapleStory music in the background?

[@LilSmokey]

Finally an in-depth review! Great Vid Stoopzz 👌

[@SirKevok]

Very fun game. As a mmo veteran. Playing since the 90's. This game is definitely worth a try and some of your time. Im enjoying myself and will be playing possibly for a very long time.

[@baddaysbasil5376]

I'm the same kinda dude and also enjoying it...this is an impressive MMO to me compared to most other modern MMO's... FFXIV is a snooze-fest, GW2 5v5 arena battles are toxic, ESO is uninteresting, and WoW is so played out it makes you feel dirty to go back to it. This, though... it's just fun so far, and there may come a time when it requests that I pay cash to do better, but for now, I'm grateful to be playing for free, especially with this level of polish and design. Kinda sad that other Amazon-published MMO's have lest a bad taste in peoples' mouths and they just don't want to enjoy it because spite, I guess.

[@Corusame]

I call these types of MMO's sunken cost fallacy traps. You go through the honey moon phase where everything seems great but when the real grind kicks in and you realise its essentially just a progression hamster wheel you've invested too much of your time or money to want to quit.

[@delacroixii]

Mmo veteran = unemployed and empty wallet

[@baddaysbasil5376]

@@delacroixii Why would anyone even defend themselves against this rubbish? lol Let's see... Nasty assumption-driven youtube commenter trolling for replies by making stupid remarks = incel living in mom's basement praying that someone notices him

[@baddaysbasil5376]

@@delacroixii I probably shouldn't respond because I may end up in a "cost fallacy trap", but let's see.... Nasty, negative, sniping youtube commenter with nothing new or positive to offer, only making remarks to tear people down based on personal assumptions = incel beta living in mom's basement praying that someone notices him so that his life can have meaning for just five minutes I'll go ahead and not hold my breath waiting for the "Nuh-uh! Not true bro!" because I'm sure your ego cannot handle what I just said, no matter how untrue it is. So, take your time.

[@Lukasyo1337]

I would really love to play this game, but as i get older my time is fairly limited.. Grinding seems to be a big part of the game. Thats why i returned to WoW, which is heading towards a more "play at your own pace" style

[@uglyfoox8964]

Love there that the teleport is instant.

[@philippf5594]

I did my first dungeon today and learned about these stupid tokens. They really limit you in how often you can open a f*cking dungeon chest per day in an MMO? My feeling about this game was already mixed, also because the mount system is not really good, especially when like 80% of the free obtainable ones are just different kinds of wolves. But now this token thing... man this will be hard to go on. Currently on Level 21, not a good MMORPG. Hope it gets better.

[@Willias]

It's been a long time since we've gotten a decent kMMO. Fully expect this to die out in a few months once everyone hits level cap.

[@Ziggy-w3z]

You need a guild to succeed. To get into a guild, you need good gear. To get good gear, you need to be in a guild...seems like a catch-22.

[@NirEfrati]

the maplestory background music my man

[@kiretan8599]

Finally a game that respects my time!

[@janjezek6489]

Is there a place where i can see the stoopzz build?

[@Oleoay]

I was looking forward to this but the more I heard about it, the less I wanted to play it. On that note, did you ever return to BDO? You were really into it (without being sponsored) at one point.

[@johnsuni6224]

Im just glad it allowed the character name DigOleBick

[@WillWonkeyTertel]

Played the beta and such with a few friends. Game did feel really off and the current time gating of content is crazy. Monetization is extremely bad as well. I used to play every MMO that came out but nowadays they really just feel like they want to get your money. I liked the idea of the game but the execution just doesn't hold up.

[@exilechris]

no way to disable auto attack on the ps5 feelsbad it’s really frustrating I guess that option did exist but it is not on the ps5 atm

[@ABazsi]

There is something like this on the market with better polish. That is Guild Wars 2. They stole many things from it. I like both, but i ll be always there if this will be dead. Thanks for the great review! Nice job!

[@MrMightyZ]

If it’s rock paper scissors who destroys magic users? Or are they just top of the food chain?

[@JonDraws1029]

Wish games like this played different, I’m just not a fan of MMO style combat. The worlds and art look so intriguing :(

[@riftbog]

Maybe feeling getting better as with better gear things die faster so you get rewards faster with less actual combat/movement? or just the boiled frog effect? I dont care about p2win as there is no such thing, it is a game if you pay money on getting stronger, so you can "enjoy it" you already lost.

[@justme0014ify]

Just started playing. Like the game, only issue I have is the range of range weapons.

[@Sicknificant1]

I see all this talk about P2W but see no one defining it. Is it any different or worse than what titles like WoW already allow?