Stop Blaming Vatican II

The Church today is not what it was 75 years ago. Many have tried to come up with answers why, but the most common day is a simple one: it's Vatican II's fault. Although convenient, I believe that this answer makes no sense at all. The Church DOES has some serious problems, but wasting time fighting about a council most have never heard of is not going to get us anywhere.
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[@yagi3925]

“Stop Blaming Vatican II ?”. No, you stop trying to rescue Vatican II, please.

[@kajekage9410]

Religion is stupid.

[@christopherjohnson9167]

Vatican II doesn’t need saving. Its a perfectly fine Catholic ecumenical council

[@yagi3925]

@@christopherjohnson9167 Ha ha, this is hilarious! Vatican II is beyond saving, fixing or salvaging. It's a perfectly broken, un-catholic council. You're in complete denial.

[@admeliora11]

@@yagi3925I would really like to understand what your reasons for this opinion are.

[@oleksijm]

“Napoleon Bonaparte once taunted a Catholic cardinal by threatening: “Your Eminence, are you not aware that I have the power to destroy the Catholic Church?” To which the cardinal quipped: “Your Majesty, we Catholic clergy have done our best to destroy the Church for the last eighteen hundred years. We have not succeeded, and neither will you.”

[@user-lr6hw4dq4t]

Damn this is good bro

[@finallythere100]

@@user-lr6hw4dq4t - I hope this is not unduly harsh, but I think honest, direct feedback to this video (and others by this priest) is in order, and I'd prefer to do it under your comment, where I feel I am at least in my arena. if that is OK. . With all due respect for his priesthood.this priest is NOT qualified to condescend and pontificate to the masses the way he does, presuming to be an authority on the broader issue. . V2 staved off a complete collapse?? Ridiculous Blame Game.? I'm getting way more Justin Trudeau vibes than those of a devout , sincere, authentic priest. Tidy argument wrapped in platitudes and barbs, is very limited in content and scope, and sophomoric at best (in the overly confident, limited content way)., His hubris is off the charts and really hard to believe, even in this day and age. My reply is devoid of content about v2, but that its bc I know better than to try to even attempt it with such brevity as is necessary here. Presents as the polar opposite of my Trad pastor of the same age, yet my pastor seems decades older in knowledge, humility and wisdom.

[@happylittletrees5668]

@@finallythere100 Well said.

[@John-jf8lw]

“Here, a disconcerting picture opens up before our eyes, that of religions, the religions invented by man; attempts that are sometimes extremely daring and noble …” - Paul VI, General Audience, Jan. 12, 1972 “... that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy … Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion, they reject it …” - Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, No. 2, Jan. 6, 1928

[@jessya.955]

Nice✊👌🔥

[@josevargas2880]

It's true that Vatican II is not the problem, the problem is the excesses that occurred because of it. An extreme relaxation of the liturgical norms, an extreme secularization and a loss of solemnity are just some of the factors. And if we add to these factors a very poor education on all of these issues, we have a recipe for disaster that yields exactly what we have seen in the last decades. I believe that the fact that traditional communities are been fueled mostly by young people should tell us a lot about where the solution is.

[@danielfernandes6943]

Why was the index of forbidden books abrogated? What about Pope Leo XIII's vision of the devil attempting to destroy the church? Isn't he in action yet? Kindly enlighten us.

[@paulhoward3718]

Father, I’m afraid you’re misrepresenting your opponents’ position. Their argument is not one of causality, rather they claim that the Church ought not have capitulated to the culture, and that has magnified the negative effect on the faith caused by the underlying social currents. It’s a far more subtle and nuanced argument...

[@petars4444]

No he`s not. Ive heard alot of what he is saying from antivavticanII believers. And he could add so much more of their nosense.

[@anthonyburke3000]

One criticism I have of Father's video is that he appears to miss a central point in Catholic home life: When you orient your life around Christ, all else will fall into place. I think this is where your criticism is crucial: that the Church has appeared to have capitulated to the culture. Pope St. Pius X has declared modernism 'the synthesis of all heresies' and yet the council was concerned about the needs of "modern man", as if man is any different from when he was created by God.

[@jasonquick1094]

I cant help but notice the people who commented negatively on your comment don't actually address the issue you raised

[@FabianDenial]

Jason Quick They can’t. Vatican II has caused serious problems, all they can do is push the issue to the side

[@drangeldeguzman68]

@@anthonyburke3000 on point! I totally agree with you. Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies. As if the church needs changing. It is man's sinfulness that needs changing. Truth is never changeable... Truth that is God and God who is in His church ❤️

[@AnthonyAnthony-tk4ye]

I’m not saying V2 contributed to the problem, but V2 contributed to the problem

[@realjohanngoethe]

"Church is not what it was 75 years ago" - yes, that's the f---ing problem! Stop changing things that are supposed to be eternal!

[@JoeyGirardin]

Before we have a full blown war in the comments, we should first seriously consider our own beliefs and that of our brothers with clean reason, and say everything with the Love of Jesus. There is nothing wrong with a debate, as long as we stick plainly to logic and not the so corruptible heart. By the Power of the Holy Spirit we can be One in the Church.

[@anthonyburke3000]

We've always been one in the Church but a healthy debate is meritted on this topic. I think what bothers many people who attend Latin Mass and why they shift over is because of the following: - the lack of reverence in the Ordinary Form (particularly receiving communion). - the inconsistency and constant changes of the Ordinary Form (I grew up in the Ordinary Form and have witnessed these inconsistencies) - the loss of tradition - the idea that the Mass is an evangelization tool instead of a place for worship and spiritual revitalization - the idea that we're their to celebrate a meal instead of re-witnessing the Holy Sacrifice - how the hierarchy and other laity brush it aside as a piece of quaint, peculiar history that no longer has a place in the Church as if it did not nourish the lives of the faithful for around 1800 years and even St. Thomas Aquinas (a doctor of the Church) praised it and wrote about the intense beauty of the Extraordinary form The Church has a broad liturgical history and tradition but one thing which sticks out like a sore thumb is the fact that the Ordinary Form is the only liturgy within the Church (including the Eastern Rites) where permission is needed by the conference of bishops to receive communion on the hand. As I've stated, we've always been one in the Church, and we have a colorful mural of liturgical traditions. I'm not completely certain where the vitriol is coming from (probably all sides) but I do believe that those who have been asking for more access to the Tridentine Mass have been sidelined, in particular, by the hierarchy and the priests who have followed their example.

[@greenybird7132]

The_Gaffer well said! Always be charitable towards each other.

[@cinta3805]

Is receiving the Holy Eucharist by hand bad? or are we just making our own rules? In the bible Jesus didnt gave the Eucharist directly into his deciples mouth. He didnt said to only use Latin language in a mass. He just said " Do this in memory of me". So it doesnt matter what language we use in a mass as long as we attend the mass and recieve God's body and blood. Many poeple stop attending the mass because of poeple trying to say that novus ordo is invalid which is exactly what the devil wants. Think of all the Eucharistic miracles happening all around the world, were they consecrated using a traditional mass? I dont think so.

[@cinta3805]

@pepe bastardes did Jesus gave the Eucharist directly to his deciples mouth? If you really follow tradition we should be following what Jesus exactly did. I have been recieving communion by mouth but recently i need to recieved it by hand because of covid. No ones forcing poeple to recieve by hand ,it is really up to you.

[@cinta3805]

@pepe bastardes The Eucharistic miracles just shows that no matter what type of mass we attend novos or traditional Jesus is always there.

[@HK-zg5sp]

Young catholic here...I was born and raised in a place (south America) where the second council led the local parishes to do the craziest stuff during masses- including mixing camdoble chanting during liturgy??- I never went to mass for the love of God or church. I went because my parents made me go. When I went to my first traditional LATIN mass I cried, because in many years I felt welcomed and at peace in a Church .I could not believe how low and distorted things could get because of people trying to adjust mass to our conveniences. I blame the vatican council 2 and modernism for my lukewarmness and my ignorance. No more novus ordo for me.

[@marcogarcia5441]

Me too

[@ginterka381996]

Me too. I first time attend to Tridentine Mass in 2012 when I was 16 years old, and I never want to return to New Mass. I read many books and articles about crisis in the Church and Novus Ordo is huge reason of losing the faith.

[@tylerlorge2608]

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[@Kaihena]

Imagine this: Ordinary Form Latin Mass.

[@patc1309]

Amen on that!

[@sarahsunshine78]

Thank you Fr Casey! I am a convert and thought I was joining a unified church and was deeply saddened to find all the same bickering and finger pointing here in the Catholic Church as I did in my Protestant ones. I’m also disheartened by people telling me that my love for the Novus Ordo is simply because I’m new and in time I’ll grow to love Latin Mass more. While I think the Latin Mass is beautiful and entertaining, I’m better able to worship with my whole heart when I understand what’s happening and able to mentally ascend and participate in the Mass. This, along with my daily rosary, morning prayer, and devotional reading truly shape me to become closer to Christ and more in line with God’s Word. I don’t think I’d find the same thing if all I was offered was the Latin Mass and in fact, don’t think I would have even been drawn to convert because I wouldn’t have known what was going on to even investigate it in the first place.

[@snailgeorgie1880]

I’m a revert and totally agree with this!! A properly reverent Novus Ordo Mass is one of the most beautiful things on the planet

[@John-jf8lw]

“It follows that these separated churches and communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have, by no means been deprived of significance and important in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ had not refrained from using them as means of salvation …” - Paul VI, Unitatis Redintegratio, No. 3, Nov. 21, 1964 “Since however there is for both regulars and seculars, for superiors and subjects, for exempt and non-exempt, one universal Church, outside of which there is no salvation …” - Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne

[@stldrew6810]

I'm a convert as well and the more I learn the faith and Church history, I am angered and hurt by what was taken away from us, the restrictions placed on the TLM, the liturgical abuses in the Novus Ordo, and the Church not actually following the "Spirit " of Vatican II. Just look at the abuses and scandal of Our Holy Father Pope Francis. Pray the next Chapter in Our Church brings New Life and Unity, not more division

[@stldrew6810]

None of the Masses in any rite of the Catholic Church are about us

[@RadTradX]

Novus Ordo is heretical and not Catholic

[@ricksavaiano5640]

What lame answers Father. Jesus told us to judge a tree by it's fruit. The Vatican II tree has NO FRUIT!

[@maggiepatterson7949]

When the priest is devout and holy, the sheep are also.

[@sanctamariastudio]

Well said

[@therighteousrighthand]

Our High priest is indeed Holy and righteous and the beloved Son of God. Hence He interceeds for us, He is the perfector and finisher of our faith and we hope to be with Him where He is.

[@ClassicPhilosophyFTW]

Sicut sacerdos, sic populo - Pope St Pius X

[@pjsmith4369]

Maggie Patterson So we can’t be devout if our priest isn’t? That is nonsense - of course we can! And we should be praying for our priest if he is not devout.

[@ClassicPhilosophyFTW]

@@pjsmith4369 No one is saying that; we're just emphasising the point that grace flows *downwards* through the hierarchy of the Church. From bishops to priests, and from the priest to his congregation. A holy priest is a *huge* help to one's own personally holiness, which is why, even today, people tend to follow priests around from parish to parish. It's also why everyone loved and is now devoted to John Paul II

[@marcuslow1386]

In the end... After attending traditional or novus ordo mass, did you you become more like Christ?

[@ipso-kk3ft]

Very good point!

[@BreakingInTheHabit]

Ultimately all that matters.

[@monmca9371]

For me, novus ordo.

[@JU-bz1kn]

@@monmca9371 I must confess that I have seen problems in Novus Ordo even before I knew about the TLM. But after going through all the back and forth, I seem to think it just depends on the priest who celebrates the Mass. And maybe the TLM does not give much scope to the priest to put his own things into the Mass. Whereas in the NO Mass, its like free for all, so maybe that's why people are preferring TLM. Only If the Priest celebrates NO mass with reverence, I dont think there is any problem in that.

[@lukebrady8966]

Jesus wasn’t a 1960s hippy

[@dipseyduse6287]

I am waiting for “Vatican III- Return to Trent”

[@mariemiller8740]

Dipsey I just found out vat 1 was never closed,so vat2 ?? Well Fr Pope Paul V1 laid down his papal tiara to the UN, the priest who helped change it from Latin to English publically apologised for his part in it, 6 protestant ministers helped change it.

[@edwinkubena9944]

Marie Miller Annibali Bugnini openly stated we must remove any obstacles four our Protestant brethren. Pope Benedict even said of Vatican II that is was the French Revolution in the church

[@vkbowers]

Favorite comment award!!

[@theoriginaljohn]

Vatican III: Trent strikes back

[@paulmiller3469]

@@theoriginaljohn ...which brings up the question of prequels and renumbering...

[@aslinndhan]

I am a convert and have been Catholic for almost 30 years now. All I knew about Catholicism I gleaned from films made before Vatican II. But, I came into the church with the priest facing us, praying the Mass in English, accepting communion in the palm and lay ministers at the altar and altar girls. I do attend a Latin Mass because I like the quiet, meditative, smaller attendance. We say the Rosary and have the Litany of the Saints after. I like both the Latin Mass and the Vernacular Mass, so it doesn't trouble me if I have to attend the ordinary English Mass. I think the only thing I am a bit more traditional about is my Marian devotion because I have a special love for Our Mother. But I don't think my religious faith suffers and my closeness with Christ is as close as ever. I appreciate the opportunity to just go to Mass, whether it is a Latin Mass or an English Mass. Okay, so the Latin Mass is more elegant and in many ways more....thoughtful, contemplative, but the English Mass works just as well.

[@tiffanyvoss3966]

I like English Masses myself because I want to understand what is being said. I would love to attend a Latin Mass, but I want to understand, especially as a person who is just learning the Order of the Mass.

[@aslinndhan]

@@tiffanyvoss3966 I recommend if you are new to the church you go to the English Mass...or the Mass of one's language....then visit a Latin Mass with a missal in both English and Latin, so you can follow.

[@jimnewl]

@@tiffanyvoss3966 You sound like you may be new to the Faith so I don't want to sound sarcastic, but have you ever heard of a missal? A missal is a printed book containing all of the liturgy for every day of the year. There are Novus Ordo missals and there are Tridentine missals. The Tridentine one will have both the Latin and the English translation printed side by side so that you can understand what's being said. That is what people used before Vatican II. It's not as if everyone knew Latin back then. Latin missals are available through Traditionalist sites or you can find used ones on Ebay and so on. Get one and see if that doesn't improve your experience.

[@tiffanyvoss3966]

Jim Newland I wouldn’t even know where to find a Latin Mass in my area. I am actually very new to the Faith, attending RCIA now, granted it will be 1-2 years before I can do my Sacraments. I have been going to Mass for about 3 months, missed one Sunday due to a family emergency.

[@sabin922]

@@tiffanyvoss3966 please do not get carrier away in the discussion over language and faith. It is better to understand the mass then to just hear it in a language foreign to one. I am a native Konkani speaker in India, but i prefer to hear mass in English as thats the language of my education. I hear the Pope's mass once in a while, but with full translation on as i do not want to miss any part of the mass.

[@cssml6578]

Terrible analysis of V2. Just terrible.

[@wmm2467]

With respect, Father, I was alive and a seriously practicing Catholic in 1955 and can credibly say that VAT2 was, is, and always will be the cause of our present spiritual malaise. But as Groucho Marx would say: "Who you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"

[@catholiccrusader5328]

I'm 75 and used to serve daily Latin Mass in 1955. Vatican II had some great ideas but once the leftists took over the Church-BOOM!-today's problem.

[@Heracleetus]

I think the problem is that the ones saying "don't blame V2/popes" actually aren't capable of believing their own eyes because they lack the perspective to see the totality of the changes and the organized deliberateness of the crisis. It's naive trustingness in exactly the same spirit as the people who can't see the organized deliberateness behind the current global medical and financial crises. The father in this video talks about all the different social and political revolutions that occurred in the 60s as of they were all natural, organic, and not what they actually were, a consequence of the good guys losing WWII to judeo-bolshevism and a mystery Babylon takeover of the true church. They would rather deny reality and avoid puting 2 and 2 together because it's just too big and scary for them to accept.

[@blusper8348]

@@catholiccrusader5328 God Bless You. Gloria Patri May you have a Happy,holy and friendly 2023

[@MikeJohnson-de3zf]

It didn't cause it, but it didn't stop it. Once you change foundational practices, people are logical and ask "well why can't I convene my own personal Vatican 3"?

[@hebanczarny84]

Are you a priest to say, what the catholics shall do?

[@crossingthetrail5630]

It is all because we went from black and white to color TV’s. Not really, but I wanted to be the first to say it.

[@denkeylee]

Yeh, looking at a screen full of snow in color is much better than Black and White. Snow is thousands of tiny dots on your screen moving around, not the snow that falls from the sky. For those that don't know.

[@nunyabiz6925]

Word lol

[@paulmiller3469]

Mama Bouchet says Buddy Holly and all the devil music that followed is to blame. That or Ben Franklin (but its a little harder to make that timeline work).

[@210SAi]

It’s all because mankind began space exploration....

[@liamcroatt171]

You're wrong. It was Godzilla. Godzilla did this. He did it on purpose. And yet nobody knew....

[@salvadoralmeida7294]

Vatican II made changes in the Mass and sacraments. The Mass became more of a banquet than a sacrifice. They Protestanised it. Shortly afterwards the Vatican II Spirit caught on and communion rails disappeared and communion inn the hand became common Reverence for the mass declined. Proper worship facilitates greater belief. Changes in the liturgy and decline in reverence for the Eucharist constituted a significant negative development. Why did they mess around with the mass and sacraments? How is that good? This young priest should not have ignored this facet of Catholic devotion. What was so great about the Council's documents. The church was already strong in its doctrine before the Council. Vatican II paved the way for greater infiltration of modernism and liberalism in the church.

[@MrAntennaBall]

Yes! Novus Ordo focuses more on the Last Supper than what it truly is… The commemoration of His death and Sacrifive at Golgotha.

[@CarolineViolinMusic]

Without our latin mass. We sound the same as protestant mass....we've lost our identity as Catholics.

[@Bellasobored]

Yup, I’ve been to masses where the only Catholic display was the Transubstantiation. The rest of the Mass? A Protestant mess. Shallow homilies that the priest put little to no effort in, female and/or male Eucharistic ministers, terrible music that made me feel like a baptist…. It’s a sad state out Church is in right now. The priests are meant to conform to the rules of the Mass, not the other way around. Latin mass for the win, things are done with reverence in that rite. I can’t say if it’s the same for other rites in the Church. I’ve only had exposure to the Latin and NO rite, but I’ve heard the other rites are devout. Where I live Novus Ordo and only ONE variant of the Latin Mass are allowed in my city. Crazy times we’re living in.

[@CarolineViolinMusic]

@@Bellasobored the great composer wrote masses to be used in mass. Commissioned as well.

[@mwolf425]

Ye shall know them by their fruits… Poorly understood, poorly implemented. Sorry it’s all been downhill since the Council. 2000 years of tradition and liturgical beauty was thrown out in favor of hootenanny Masses and clown Masses. And the people left…..

[@alphaomega238]

You completely overlook the single most important factor: the complete collapse of rigorous catechesis, and the resultant failure to transmit the faith to the young that has occurred since Vatican II. This is the greatest scandal of all, and there is still no sense of crisis about it in the Church hierarchy. When 70% of churchgoing catholics don't believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, what meaning does it have to call them Catholic?

[@BreakingInTheHabit]

I hardly think that this is a larger factor than World War II.

[@clarefoster5552]

I agree, the priests are no longer faithful and obedient to our Lord's command to baptise and hear confession of sins. Most vatican 2 catholics rarely go for confession and receive the eucharist without fear of God.

[@kelvinthomas9753]

What about now do we have world war 2👎

[@astrinymris9953]

@Joe Panico-- Re: "...the complete collapse of rigorous catechesis, and the resultant failure to transmit the faith to the young ..." What did Vatican II have to do with that? Was there some requirement that parishes eliminate all religious instruction proclaimed?

[@christopherscheck1847]

As some have commented, I too see the “healthiest” parishes tend to be the most likely to hold to liturgical tradition. Now that could just be my experience, but I do travel to a fair variety of parishes in the two diocese in my area and have “seen it all” so to speak. I’ve heard, correct me if I’m wrong, that the FSSP is having a major boom in vocations as well. I say look where a church is able to retain its youth, and raise many more. In my experience those are rarely those 1970’s parishes. In fact, I’ve seen plenty of young adults (early to mid 20’s) attending parishes that have more traditional Liturgical expressions and architecture than those designed in the decade or two after Vatican II. Now I’m not saying Vatican II itself is to blame, nor am I saying a novus ordo Mass somehow can’t be celebrated reverently, but for a council called specifically to address “the times”, it certainly missed the mark if I were to be so honest. If anything, the implementation of the council led to plenty of changes never called for by the actual council herself. Now I suppose you could say this just proves that it wasn’t the ACTUAL council’s fault, and that we are on par in decline with Protestant denominations as alluded to in this video. However, the council certainly was the gate that “opened the Church to the world” loosely quoting council fathers. Sadly, I believe that gate also unintentionally brought worldliness itself into the Church. A secularization so to speak. So does blame rest squarely on the documents of the council? I suppose not. But was the interpretation of the council from clergy and laity alike a catalyst for other changes and revisions to take place BEYOND that of the council? Most certainly as can be seen by walking into many parishes today and simply looking around. Let’s not get lost on the path of semantics as this video tends toward. We don’t need to ardently attack or defend the council, but we should be able to open our eyes and see that the affects of the decades after have led to a Church very distant from it’s pre-1960’s self. I’m not going to pretend the council is squarely to blame, but I’m also not going to pretend it is somehow completely unrelated. I think both those views are extreme and inaccurate.

[@TheLeftRbabieskillers]

Thank You! You just said what I said, but more eloquently.

[@sanctamariastudio]

While you are very correct about the good fruits from FSSP, Our Lord said "you cannot be a servant of two masters" you cannot be right and wrong at the same time. Either we call it out as it is, and say "the council is responsible for this mess" or "no they are not responsible for this mess" we cannot be on both sides of the fence and say "it is their fault but it isnt" at the same time.

[@iliya3110]

Well said. I agree. Complex issue. I would put more blame on the "errors of Russia" that Our Lady of Fatima warned about and, to be honest, the gradual destruction of Western Christendom since the Protestant Reformation as being the cause of all these worldly turmoils that the Church was forced to deal with. That being said, I'd love to see a return of our Catholic traditions. The Latin Mass is amazing and so rich. Isn't "intense" faith, love, and hope, the faith we should be striving to have?

[@vkbowers]

Bravo and Amen! 👏🙏

[@elijahyoung11]

Isn’t what happened to the church in the last hundred years a prophecy of Our Lady of Good Success? Thank you in the meantime.😇🙏

[@joeburns3420]

The reason the Church is declining is because we have lost our love & devotion to God. Man looks to himself as God in these modern times.

[@user-wz7vo7qp2r]

Nobody suggest to go back to the 1962 missal , just let us have the option of the TLM at our parishes. We want tradition with Christ not world political pressure from Rome .

[@eduzz4655]

Both types of mass should be allowed.

[@DoctorDewgong]

every church should offer both

[@GospelSimplicity]

This was really helpful to me as a Protestant with a primarily Catholic audience on my channel, many of whom really like to debate Latin Mass vs. Novus Ordo, and all of the criticism of Vatican 2 can be a bit head spinning as an outsider. Thanks for the work you're doing on this channel. It has really helped me in my understanding of Catholicism.

[@delvingeorge2807]

There is a division amongst Catholics and this is sad.

[@masterchief8179]

Delvin George Mostly in the USA, maybe the state of the Church in the USA was so bad that this radicalism seemed a sometimes reasonable rescue from the laxity on our faith. In Brazil it is not that sedevacantists or even hardcore critics of the Council of Vatican 2 are not significant; they seem to be pretty insignificant here. Moreover I sense in their position some kind of “crypto-Protestantism” because their denouncing and criticizing are very similar to those ones that moved a young Augustinian friar named Martin Luther, that made not only one division more in the Church, but landed conditions on an everlasting divisive theology. So let’s not overemphasize nor underestimate this process or radicalism. Readings the documents (I simply love “Lumen Gentium” and “Gaudium et Spes”) is a way to understand that it is a radicalism to “protest” the Council even if we must pose against many of its applications on the hands of the relativists and bad politicized-radical-liberal clergy. That’s core to being a Catholic.

[@marklouisondevilla847]

This is not Catholicism in general. This issue about TLM and Novus Ordo is isolated in the US. As the 3rd largest Catholic country in the world we never had this issue in the Philippines. Also, I asked my relative priests who are missionaries in Asia and Africa and they confirmed that there’s no debate between LM and NO in their respective countries they serve.

[@aileenbordelon7884]

Love your channel 🙏🏻

[@patrickmcnamara7143]

@@marklouisondevilla847 Your right, it's especially contentious after the pandemic, which is still bad here in the US. There are a lot of arguments on both sides of politics on if you should or shouldn't go to mass right now, and TLM are the most prominent ones that are still in person, it's also a microcosm of larger political dissidence in the US. The Left says that churches shouldn't meet in person so there is less spread but the right says that we should be going to church, and I've heard some likening it to going to mass under the threat of persecution. Personally, I believe we should prevent the spread now and that there is a difference between you being hurt or dying and you AND YOUR family being affected, though I do understanding feeling spiritually deprived right now, I can relate.

[@masterchief8179]

I agree with your arguments, Father. But we should point out that this Latin Mass ‘frenesi’ maybe is a response to the terribly driven celebrations of the new ordinary rite, where - unfortunately- many priests act pretty much as cheerleaders, backed up by terrible music service with drums and musicians acting like rockstars-to-be. It is said that the sense of sacredness was so usually offended that many pious people came to the conclusion (to which I don’t endorse) that the mass was progressively transformed into a Protestant-like cult. I don’t see things that way, but I understand what many people feel: when they come to see a Latin Mass, they don’t find clapping hands or choreography, but all aesthetics directed to what is sacred and Holy. To that I would say that *BEAUTY* is the only thing that can save the world from the profanities and the spirit of desacralization. If you see how the mass is celebrated in Church buildings that look like an auditorium or a sports gymnasium or anything built to the new architectural concepts, poorly decorated with pious catholic iconography (both statuary and paintings of the angels, saints, Our Lord Jesus and any passage of the Scriptures), and then see how beautifully the new ordinary rite is usually celebrated in a very beautiful church building that resembles the Catholic piety in all its dimension and glory, it becomes clear that Novus Ordo masses in beautiful churches are undoubtedly much more solemn and surrounded in mystery and thus pointed toward sacredness than in ugly buildings or installments. So BEAUTY matters - like Roger Scruton says -, and it matters even to the point of saving our faith, preserving its sense and its core spirituality. P.S: I try to attend only to Mass in Church buildings that look like beautiful church’s with “church atmosphere”, even if it is the new ordinary rite, which I prefer to attend to on regular basis (I don’t appreciate this irrational traditionalism that represents all things in Latin to be beautiful and all things in vernacular language to be profane) because of the tendency of having beautiful liturgy and respectful celebration in a graceful place filled with sacred and inspiring art.

[@robertr.c.1121]

Come to Spain! We have tons of very old cathedrals and churches 😎

[@masterchief8179]

Robert Baraecus Wow, I was there for 30 days in Salamanca this January prior to the pandemic scenarium. When I left Spain things then started to be bad. Lucky me, I would say. Well, I appreciate what you say: Spain is a fantastic country with astonishing beautiful constructions. During my time there I attended to Mass in Saint Esteban Church (el convento dominico de San Esteban), in “Plaza del Concilio de Trento”. How about the statue “To Francisco de Vitoria, the city of Salamanca”?! What a genius he was! Besides, that Dominican’s church is one of the most beautiful my eyes have ever seen. I am Brazilian, my friend, and I was there to study criminal law in the 800 years-old University of Salamanca! Thanks for posting it. Greetings from Brazil.

[@robertr.c.1121]

@@masterchief8179 hahaha niceee. I am from the province located in the north of Salamanca XDD. For me a 800 years romanic building is pretty normal.

[@masterchief8179]

Robert Baraecus 😀😀😀 One of the most fantastic experiences of my time there was to visit (besides Salamanca) Ávila, Alba de Tormes, Segóvia and many places that Saint Teresa of Ávila, Saint John of the Cross and other religious of the Carmelites order lived and did their missionary job.

[@robertr.c.1121]

@@masterchief8179 I am reading Santa Teresa de Jesús right now. I can tell you that the personality of Castilians hasn't changed in 500 years, we are the same people, so now you can imagine how were Santa Teresa and San Juan de la Cruz!

[@vymell2379]

The youth of this priest must serve to pardon him somewhat..... But God preserve all us sheep from these wolves. Inadvertent though they may be.

[@Retirementality]

This priest is a victim of the age. There are those who believe that the Church need to adjust to the world because they see the spirit of the world better than the spirit of Christ. The Church should be the beacon that the world look up too. Vatican II teaches inferior thought that we should adjust to the world. These people are unknowingly modernistic because of their being born, raised, and educated in this environment. Many of them are maliciously modernistic and want to change the Church to their image (rather than Christ's) as motivated by their human agenda. It is in the final analysis likely to be because of their problem against the teaching of the Church in sexual moral area.

[@catholiccrusader5328]

Agree this man is a victim of this age; Vatican II didn't start the decline but it sure was a prime factor.

[@germanvazquez885]

The church of Christ always has been ups and downs during history, the true believers never jump out of the ship

[@masterchief8179]

Yep. That’s what Catholic ecclesiology demands us.

[@fathertime2020]

Amen

[@lilafeldman8630]

These circumstances will reveal the true followers. Only the people who really want to be there will be there. 2 will be grinding at the mill, one will be taken and the other left. 2 will be sitting in the pews, one will be taken, and the other left.

[@v.k.4381]

I agree 100 percent! ✝️🙏

[@tfava6492]

But many souls are lost when the Church temporarily drops the ball. (If you still believe that souls can indeed be lost). This is no time for complacency.

[@robertrenner5661]

I believe the Latin Mass is an answer. If we don't look for answers we will never fix the decline in our faith in this country. The Latin Mass's return to tradition has brought me back to the church and I was born after the second Vatican council.

[@ipso-kk3ft]

Liking for support! I don't agree 100% but I can get behind the spirit of your answer. I believe the OF is a theologically and culturally rich dev't that is a seed for growth in liturgical expression So I'm on board with the Cardinal Arinze and Benedict XVI way. Namely, to have both all older and newer liturgies develop each other, to follow the Mass rubrics closely, and to have stronger catechesis for priests and laity. Plus more ad orientem and communion while kneeling!

[@nicksteven1112]

The Norvus Ordo actually looks a lot more like the early Church than we think it does.

[@marcuslow1386]

@@akahimself7321 agree! It will not be a fix all. I attend NO as Latin masses are not really available in my country. It is a reverence issue and if NO properly and reverently celebrated makes a huge difference!

[@arsenpixl]

Vatican II isn't the reason why we are where we are, but it's part of the problem.

[@aaronkongsj]

Is a big problem

[@nallen1833]

Wow. I am not a V2 expert, theologian or even attend TLM, but V2 wasn’t just some council. It had a huge impact. It completely changed the church so that an outsider wouldn’t even believe it was the same religion. This sounds like denial and an attempt at distraction. Thank you, but this is my first and last view of your channel.

[@paulmiller3469]

Latin Mass is too modern for me. I prefer the Koine Greek rite.

[@softbingan]

Is this Rite using Aramaic like Christ used in the first Mass?

[@tysonsmith9711]

Byzantines still do that today.

[@tysonsmith9711]

Paul Benedict The Chaldean Church, in union with Rome, worships in Aramaic.

[@vincenzorutigliano5435]

Peter and Paul most likely celebrated the Eucarist is Greek when they got to Rome. The roman liturgy evolved more during the 3rd century.

[@TheLeonhamm]

LOL As the Roman Rite contains the Kyrie - and, by rights, the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed may be sung in Greek (thus minus the Filioque .. though in full accord with its proper meaning). God bless.

[@jtrlatinist2227]

I'll just put it this way; I went to latin mass for the first time. The latin mass is beautiful and so respectful. So no Vatican II didn't end the church. But, the implications of how the changes were put into place are plain to see.

[@John-jf8lw]

“The Church also looks upon Muslims with respect. They worship the one God living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to humanity and to whose decrees, even the hidden ones, they seek to submit themselves wholeheartedly, just as Abraham, to whom the Islamic faith readily relates itself, submitted to God … Hence, they have regard for the moral life and worship God in prayer, almsgiving and fasting.” - Paul VI, Nostra Aetate, No. 3, Oct. 28, 1965 "O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, 'Three;' desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs." - Qur'an 4:171 “For I firmly believe that the Holy Trinity, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit … the Creator of all creation, from whom all things, through whom all things, in whom all things which are in heaven or on earth, visible or invisible.” - Pope St. Leo IX, April 13, 1053

[@boopbeepbop154]

@@John-jf8lw Paul VI was not saying "Islam is correct"

[@johncastaldo1879]

Hold a debate with Taylor Marshall on traditionalism, Father Casey.

[@BreakingInTheHabit]

No thank you.

[@ensyw5971]

@@BreakingInTheHabit priests in the 340's: goes out on their own to preach the gospel to violent pagan villages. priests in the 2020's: too scared to even talk to a conservative catholic. ..and you wonder why the catholic church is declining?

[@lesliemashonga861]

But think about it Father There is actually need for a debate on this to settle once and for all, who is right . Because you raise very valid points but for the faithful to fully get your side, your points must be able to withstand those of the Traditional side. Because honestly this is causing division among high ranking bishops which is not Good.

[@lesliemashonga861]

Division = not good

[@sksteele1235]

@@BreakingInTheHabit Got a genuine belly laugh out of me, sir.

[@CESSKAR]

The decline of Christianity has a major cause: Modernity and now Postmodernity.

[@LostArchivist]

That is certainly part of it. Refusing to react to it is another failure to the world and to God we have had. The Church's slow methodical pace was used against Her. With today's technology that should hopefully be less of an issue. Us beimg so aggressively niched against one another, that is something we must work through while we continue to moblize evangelization as we have been (Consider Word on Fire, St.Paul Institute, Lumen Christe Institute, Catholic Answers, Coming Home Network, etc Univ. of Steubenville. Napa Institute etc.). Remember our Blessed Lord's final prayer to the Heavenly Father, that we might be one even as He and the Father are One. This is how the world shall know the Father sent the Son and loves us as much as He loves our Blessed Lord. Let us do as our Blessed Lord prayed for before His departure.

[@luisoncpp]

Yep, I also think it's mostly the slow reaction time. I guess eventually the cardinals will be accustomed to rapid social changes and technological advancements and when that happens the Church will start to recover. Something else to keep in mind: it's impossible for the current technological explosion to keep this pace forever, mainly because the second law of thermodynamics doesn't allow that. Eventually technological innovations will slow down, and social changes will slow down as well (however I don't think the social changes will be ever as slow as before the industrial revolution, because fast communications allows quick social interactions and that speeds up everything).

[@LostArchivist]

@@luisoncpp Technological change honestly is more about us changing than physical changes. We are very far from running against entropy, our technology is grossly inefficient. Though for other reasons I think you might still be right. I do believe this is a time of chastisement.

[@llnn1469]

@@LostArchivist Catholics including myself (at one time) were lulled to sleep in the sea of" I'm a good Catholic, I don't judge others they're on a journey."

[@LostArchivist]

@@llnn1469 I am also a Catholic. To some extent we can not judge. A person's worth we can not, but deeds on their face we can and at times must. When it comes to fraternal correction, consideration should be taken if your words are more likely to cause more harm than good, and if you have the authority to correct the person. A child for instance has no authority to correct their parent, St.Paul gives instructions for such occasions as correcting elders and our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ gives instructions on this in general. There are practices we ought to follow in these matters. God bless you, my sister.

[@PaulTesta]

Father, Fantastic video! The Church's problems and challenges run VERY deep. This goes all the way back to P. St. Pius X who presciently warned against Modernism, the "synthesis of all heresies," way back in the earliest years of the 20th C. Keep up your gr8 evangelism, Father... Dcn. Paul+

[@ACF1901]

This "priest" is a modernist...

[@PaulTesta]

@@ACF1901 What do you base that on?

[@darrinfrench9018]

@@PaulTesta By their own definition, anyone that questions the TLM is a 'modernist and heretic'. They build their arguments on name calling rather than reason or to think 'outside of a box'

[@Sebastian-ip2wc]

Pope Pius X was correct, what he warned us about has come to pass.

[@John-jf8lw]

“... non-Christian religions, ‘which the Church respects and esteems because they are the living expression of the soul of vast groups of people …’” - Paul VI, Message, Dec. 6, 1977 “For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils: but the Lord made the heavens.” - Psalm 95:5

[@mentalwarfare9040]

The church should not be changing with the times. You have a modernist concept of what the church should look like.

[@beduinolounge]

Liberation Theology ALL over.

[@erickortega1585]

Sadly you are too deceived by your own convictions. All read. Even historically Vatican II has greatly impacted negatively the Church. I will keep you in my prayers.

[@admeliora11]

You have expressed an opinion without any supporting evidence. Would you care to elaborate and explain why you feel this way?

[@martinmolloy7747]

Father, you are out of order! What happens the Church directly affects the world. I challenge you to explain to me how JP2 didn't break the 1st commandment hosting the Assisi meeting! That is a consequence of V2. You didn't mention the theological note of the council! The issue is doctrine not numbers!

[@darrinfrench9018]

I believe all are sinners, and that includes Popes and Saints (believe it or not) except the Virgin Mary

[@martinmolloy7747]

We know the just man falls seven times a day. These sins must be venial or he wouldn't be just. If it were mortal, then he would repent. Objectively speaking, the Assisi meeting was a grave sin and has never been repented of. In fact, they have been repeated. Worse has happened since. These are gross breaches of the 1st commandment.

[@gabrielleglenn5284]

I was a small child in the 60s and remember my mother saying that Vatican II would be the downfall of the church. They lost the respect of the people and somehow managed to belittle the important teachings of the church. She saw it coming, why couldn't the Bishop's?

[@BreakingInTheHabit]

Unfortunately, this sounds like confirmation bias more than anything else. The problem was not with Vatican II but rather it’s poor implementation. Most people never understood it, and were set up not to like it. More importantly, as I’ve shown in this video, Vatican II is not to blame.

[@gabrielleglenn5284]

@@BreakingInTheHabit I believe that my mother understood it better than most people and saw the consequences down the road. She was very astute in both politics and business. She saw the outcome very clearly I'm surprised the Church hierarchy didn't

[@mslitchick]

@gabrielle glenn So your mother is God?

[@tylerlorge2608]

@@mslitchick YE CERTAINLY ARE NOT GOD DEAR! ALMIGHTY GOD WAS WITH THAT MOTHER TO SEE TRUTH ! WAKE UP COOKIE !!!

[@SmithsnMoz]

@@gabrielleglenn5284 ... God bless you! Most of my family dont bother with attending Holy Mass anymore. They don't believe one must attend Mass to enter heaven, theyre pro choice and simply lost the faith. IM IN MY 50s and im returning to the TLM. GOD LOVE YOU!

[@cooperpage2190]

you have it wrong, the Catholic church is not supposed to wane with the rest of the world, and yet they did.

[@happylittletrees5668]

Pre-Vatican II = thriving Church; Post Vatican II = Church in decline. "By their fruits you will know them." Matthew 7:16.

[@raphmarcotte7379]

As the saying goes - whit a verse taken out of context i can do all thing!

[@alexjordan1608]

YOUNG FRIAR I DISAGREE, NOT partly BLAMING THE II VATICAN COUNCIL, YOU WERENT THERE, you didnt see the changes and the disastrous effects. You're very naive! 1- it killed catechism taught in our schools and churches, replaced by useless confusing books, full of non Catholic doctrine ( Martin Luther king civil rights, Ghandi, etc.) 2-Devotions and Saints, processions, etc were dismissed with the people who were devoted to those sources of grace and encouragement as role models. 3-Knocking down rails and not receiving Holy Communion on our knees very respectfully, as before. 4-Confessions abandoned, nothing almost was sin. As child I was pressed to receive communion without confession, and adults alike. 5-Churches became closed after morning mass all day long, instead of open 24/7 (many) 6-No more espiritual exercises targeting special times and social groups (lenten, advent, for engaged couples, for seasoned married couples, for military, students, etc). Almost nothing, anymore. 7- Pro-Vatican heretic priests and professors in seminaries and parishes, burying the past and experimenting liturgically, anything goes. Liturgical caos and disaster. Even masses where people surrounded the altar and "concelebrated" with the priest, grabbing the chalice and the hosts themselves like they were priests. 8- etc, etc, etc The Church divided aggressively between the "Vatican and pre-Vatican" priests. Looking down at traditional ones, excluding them from everything. Early retirement to get ride of traditionally oriented bishops. The number of abuses is immense and disastrous. I'm sure Vatican II, didnt intend the negative, but it made the Hierarchy in general open to any novelty & experiment.

[@gardenladyjimenez1257]

Amen! I grew up without faith, encountered God at age 40 and progressed over the next 20 years from God to Christ to a random selection of Protestant churches...and finally...to the Catholic church. My worship and praise of God is amplified by my ability to understand the Mass. Thankfully, for those who miss the Latin Mass, it is available in our area. No matter the vernacular...Christ is one...one Holy and apostolic Catholic Church. Had the church enforced Latin for Mass, I would still be a struggling protestant looking for the fullest expression of my faith but unable to connect with Catholicism.

[@John-jf8lw]

“Our world even today experiences his great impact on history.” - John Paul II, talking about Martin Luther, Oct. 31, 1983 “But later even more care was required when the Lutherans and Calvinists dared to oppose the changeless doctrine of the faith with an almost incredible variety of errors. They left no means untried to deceive the faithful with perverse explanations of the sacred books …” - Pope Gregory XVI, Inter Praecipuas, May 8, 1844

[@prkp7248]

Those quotes doesn't contradict with themselves.

[@juanamaciel67]

I also am thankful to understand mass in our own language but vatican 2 did more than just allow for mass in other languages... thats the issue and as catholics we should stand up for the holy church of Jesus christ and call our heresy especially when it's coming from within .. we need to understand and be prepared for the attacks of Satan because he will obviously want to destroy the one true church ..i truly see the book of revelation unfolding before our eyes ..in the last days there will be a one world religion and from what pope Francis has said recently and even not so recently seems like he's ushering it in ... didn't God warn his people not to mix with false religions and we are doing the same thing isreal done .. we need to stand up for the truth we need to stand up for the church and our Lord Jesus Christ

[@nashbem]

Our grandparents and parents are very liberal, and now studies are strongly showing 20 and below is far more conservative than even the WW2 generation. Another thing we know is that as you get older, you get more conservative. Adding to that, conservatives are the only ones having children in any decent numbers. With border insecurities in the face of globalism, and the risk of complete culture loss I think all of this creates a strong combination to lead to a rise in our values, our traditions, and our faith.

[@bellewells2099]

Sources?

[@MrProsat]

Not sure I buy that. There are a lot of lunatic 20 year olds attending the local propaganda mills, Oh, I mean universities, who are being shown on TV daily showing their very tolerant opinions.

[@jimmyrumney4379]

Majority of conservatives I know have no more than 3 kids. Usually 2. Very small minority are having more than 4 or 5.

[@kles44]

@@MrProsat a higher percentage of Gen z are conservative according to pew. It's Only 30 Percent But It's higher than the previous generations when they conducted the same poll. I think it was 21 percent of millennial were conservative at age 20 but as the posted mentioned, with age, you become more conservative.

[@MrProsat]

@@kles44 clearly many become conservative as they age, but i dont buy the "more 20 year olds are conservative" meme.

[@aclaylambisabirdman6324]

Love you Fr. Casey, I enjoy your points here, but, respectfully, I still disagree. If our Church is real & was founded by Christ, if one listens to the many appearances of our Blessed Mother a.k.a. Her many warnings of the coming disasters in our Mother Church, then it is not a far leap to see that we are the true Bulwark for the entire Human Race. So, when we falter so do the others whom have splintered away from us. Just my three cents, keep up the good work, I always I enjoy your videos Good Sir.

[@iliya3110]

I think it was Pope St. Pius V who said that "All the evil in the world is due to lukewarm Catholics.”

[@aclaylambisabirdman6324]

KT Bell shout it from the roof tops, Amen!

[@ricksavaiano5640]

Annibale Bugnini and protestant scholars authored the New Mass. Then Bugnini lied to fellow Bishops and then lied to the Pope to push through the New Protestant Mass. Compare the two Masses. Pray for the Church. Ask Our Lady of Mt. Carmel to pray for the Church and for all of us.

[@malaMu3]

This was a great commentary, Father. I think people who go to latin mass these days, when they talk about great reverence and superiority of it, overlook the point that they are part of a very niche community in which all members are very devoted and make an effort to go to this particular rite, thus making it a very special experience. maybe if they were transported back in time when this kind of rite was usual and attended by much more diverse kind of Catholics, they would see a different picture. the attendance of the mas before vatican 2 doesn't necessarily reflect actual belief, but also much stronger pressure from family and society to fit into their beliefs and customs. also, it seems to me that a lot of these critics of the council overlook the fact that they are seeing problems from american/western point of view, and that the events post council might reflect more the culture and society of their countries, and that the situation might be different in other parts of the world, and they do not speak for the whole church. it's the same for the criticism of the Pope. He comes from very different part of the world and to him the most important issues might not look the same as to the average american.

[@didicita100]

Yes!! I have talked to a lot of people about mass pre VII and most of them just went because they had to, but they used that time to make a grocery shopping list or anything else, because they didn't understand but knew they had to go. It is not that easy.

[@dawnlapka2433]

Agree. I think people can't handle progress in the Church at large, or the fact that the Holy Roman Catholic Church wants to merge the old and the new. Don't blame the Papa, don't be a doomsday prophet, and don't blame the Democrats. We aren't all evil pro-abortion voters. God bless you, Father. Good points, on this post....

[@drummerlovesbookworm9738]

@@dawnlapka2433 a Democratic vote IS a pro abortion vote, tho. Fact.

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

Dawn Lapka Progress towards destruction is regression from salvation.

[@thecatholicrabbi4170]

I enjoyed your comment. I feel that those who go to Latin mass want to stand out, have their own religious language, cermony and feasts...in a sense Jewish lol. But se must remember that God is not a feeling, he is always there, even when we can't feel him.

[@contact3604]

Values have changed! Not many families unfortunately bring up their children, to go to church any more🤔 it's not fashionable. It's happening across the board know matter, what denomination you belong too. We are told in the scriptures that before Christ, comes again this would happen. We are told this is why we need to be steadfast, in what we believe most of all we need to love, one another like Christ love's his church. Thank you for the video, it was a good one👍 It gives you, much food for thought. God bless you! Stay safe. Moira From England.

[@llnn1469]

Yes very true, also we have parents who drop their children off at CCE/CCD, and when asking the children if any attended Mass, only a few raise their hands. And I taught on a Sunday evening after Mass. So disheartening.

[@contact3604]

@@llnn1469 So kind of you, to do that👏💐 The key is not to give up! hoping things, may change again. All things will turn out right, in the end🙏😊 We just need, to ride out the storm. Stay safe, stay blessed, stay strong! All the best. Moira From England.

[@jamesmorrissey2297]

Now that we could understand the liturgy, and the prayers. No one thought we might have questions. The Baltimore Catechism was not up to the task.

[@jamesmorrissey2297]

@Keith P. Gatto PhD Funny thing is I read it buy myself. That's why the asked, answered format. I didn't have anyone to ask questions of. I went to Mass More on Saturday morning, then Sunday. The New Catechism is heaven to a thirsty mind.

[@captainkelldiggs5856]

Amen to that. Values had a sharper generational shift during the beginning of the industrial revolution in the late 1700s than they did after Vatican II. Taking Father out of the home weakened the domestic church and shifted a lot of values.

[@lowenwelle1044]

European perspective: It´s kinda weird that the traditional Latin Mass Communities aren´t so "popular" (but respected of course) in areas where the most catholics live (Poland, Hungary or East Bavaria). But to be honest, the difference between the Novus Ordo and TLM communities isn´t that large in those named countries either. Reality is often not that easy. Maybe people with an more rural and conservative livestyle aren´t that tempted to misuse Vatican II...

[@malaMu3]

I think we europeans don't really know all the stuff that is happening in america :D they seem to have gone totally overboard with new rites. it's kind of weird to even have this huge controversy, it's basically only happening in american circles

[@malaMu3]

@Alexis Gilfered I understand. We do have our own issues too, some very similar. And ultimately, finding some solutions in going back to traditions is good, it adds to beauty of diversity of worship in the church. I only dislike the conflict that looks so nasty, between people who should be like brothers ultimately.

[@nickkraw1]

Novus Ordo can be celebrated beautiful and incorporate a lot of Latin if you want. There are 2 priests in different churches in my city in Canada that celebrate the Novus Ordo with incense and some prayers in Latin and tremendous reverence and almost everyone receives Jesus on the tongue while kneeling and lots of women veil and everything is solemn and they wear beautiful vestments and from time to time even celebrate ad orientum (yes, Novus Ordo can be celebrated ad orientum and Pope Benedict XVI gave every priest the right to do so if they want to). In countries like Poland, Vatican II was well applied by literally St Pope John Paul the Great while he was a Bishop there. So they celebrate the Novus Ordo well. I think that a lot of people only like the Tridentine mass because they’ve never seen reverence in any other context, which is so sad. The Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom in any Byzantine Church, the mass of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St Peter, and a well celebrated Novus Ordo were all be good things for more people to see and realize that reverence and Tridentine aren’t synonyms.

[@paulmiller3469]

@@malaMu3 That may be true, but I also would caution that KZbin may not be the best place to form opinions on what is happening in the Catholic Church here in the U.S. I'm fairly active in my parish and diocese, and also here on KZbin quite a bit. The two (real and social media) can seem like different worlds.

[@royalsoldierofdrangleic4577]

I am Italian and i don't really see many people being against V II, a lot of people go to Paul VI Mass and traditionalists are few and far between and not as vocal as in the USA I think GagaV8 is right in the first paragraph of his comment, in Italy Protestantism was almost non existent, so the new mass would have been more welcome because people would have understood the mass. Also i see that many of those Catholic influencer who go to Latin Masses are pretty young so they would have seen only the "newer" Latin Mass. I personally have no experience to speak of, i am just 18, but my grandparents told me what happened during a pre VII mass... it does not seem like what those influencers (expecially Brian Holdsworth) describe. People did not have the pampleths to read the Mass (those that could read) so they passed their time by reading or doing a rosary or chatting also the priest was wispering most of the time but probably the worst part was priests on side altars, so having multiple masses celebrated at the same time in churches creating more confusion. I just remembered how, in a livestream with Blue Collar Catholic, Timothy Gordon said as a joke "i don't get why they had to change the Mass". Yeah, i would love to see the guy in an actual pre VII Latin Mass...

[@jowr2000]

With all due respect, the *aftermath* of Vatican II has been a disaster, and the present Pontificate causes confusion about the church’s moral teachings with ambiguous language. Sorry Father, but I disagree. Vatican II itself wasn’t the problem, but the baby was thrown out with the bath water u fortunately IMO

[@stldrew6810]

Missed the mark on this one. I'm sure you would form a different opinion if there were restrictions placed on the Valid Mass you celebrate. Or what if your order had restrictions? The Church has not followed its own "Spirit " of Vatican II. So many Liturgical abuses in the N.O. You can make the Novus Ordo reverent, but you can't make the Traditional Latin Mass irreverent.

[@oimss2021]

I generally agree with this sentiment (which reminds me of the recent bishop Barron's campaign on "reclaiming the council" in its orthodox nature), but while it's true that the Council did not cause the crisis in the Church today, it is also true that the Council did not help prevent the crisis. We can very well accept the Council and its full magisterial authority, while also acknowledging that the "spring" didn't come, and that the smoke of satan may have entered the Church. A thoughtless antiquarianism isn't the answer for everything, but if anything, the last decades taught us that when the Church tries to be "hyppie", she loses herself. People seek the Church to see something different from the mess of the world, some order, some heavenly tease, and not the same watered down pop songs and a "feel good" lecture. To say that the Church needs to be different from the world is not elitist or trying to make the Church a fortress closed in itself, but rather simply knowing that the mission of the Church isn't that of a mere NGO or even a moral compass for modern society. It is the Kingdom of God on Earth, whose primary focus is the salvation of souls, and from this the other goals arise, like social justice and political action. The salvation of souls shouldn't be an afterthought, the construction of a better material world shouldn't be our primary objetive "just in case God doesn't exist". There are so many competing meanings of life out there, religions, institutions, movements. How is the Church responding to that? With the same nonsense of everyone else or with something different, that is, the truth? Truth is necessarily exclusionary, it does not allow the existence of error. And that shouldn't be problem for the Church. And now, since unfortunately political polarizations have invaded the Church, I see the more traditional movements doing it better. Instead of just claiming to be one of the many voices, I see them claiming the truth, the catholic universal truth, which is deeply rooted in scripture and tradition. Not to say they're perfect, sure, there's the crowd that rejects the conciliar popes, but the internet makes this loud minority look way bigger than it really is. Having read the VII documents, I can't help but feel sad at what happened and at what was done in the name of the Council. Sometimes to move forward we actually have to go back on our wrong tracks. Maybe we do need to bracktrack in a few places in order to get things right this time. I do hope the Church will swing back to a more traditional view. And I'm not talking about the high ups in the Vatican. I'm talking about the average parish with disrespectful liturgy (the NO CAN be reverent) and poor catechesis.

[@GarfieldRex]

Wow, I also wrote huge paragraph in the same direction. Glad to see fellow Catholics that think similar. I feel sometimes you are encouraged to hide your faith by using the words "tolerant" and "respectful". Yes, you must be tolerant and respectful, but that doesn't mean stop being Catholic when talking and showing your faith. And exposing yourself as a Catholic in public is not, and should not be considered offensive or harming toward non Catholics. There are so many things said by our Lord that are never brought up by priests and are now considered as just mere medieval beliefs.

[@paulmiller3469]

@@GarfieldRex Like everything, it can be a tough call and more often than not situationally dependent. For instance, we're not supposed to judge, but we are supposed to fraternally correct. Where exactly is the line between the two? All of us have an image of the Christian nutjob wearing the 'repent now' sandwich sign on a street corner, and presumably many of us get tired with over-the-top Protestant attacks on the Church. So, we don't want to be like that, because we suspect replicating those tactics would have the same off-putting effect on others it has on us. We have to find balance between not hiding our lamp under a table but also not being constantly over-the-top. A lot of it, I think, comes down to taking a hard assessment of our gifts. We're not all called to preach, or even teach, as St. Paul says. For many of us, just living a life that can serve as an example to others may be all we are called to do. (Though I suppose that doesn't preclude a car magnet from our respective parish...)

[@GarfieldRex]

@@paulmiller3469 indeed 👌🙌

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

Israel Siqueira And the Kingdom of God is, in itself, elite.

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

Israel Siqueira And yes, progress towards destruction is actually moving backward in the end. Backward from salvation.

[@a.r.4093]

After comparing the Pre-Vatican II traditional lenten practices with today's current lenten practices, I have to say the difference in devotion and sacrifice towards Jesus seems immense. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that today's generation, along with the current lenten practices, are obscenely relaxed in comparison to traditional practices. Would love to know what you think!

[@alhilford2345]

I agree with you.

[@vymell2379]

Amen 🙏 It makes me sad to see the Mass/Catholicism/prayer etc being discussed as if they are mainly for the benefit of humans.....when they are primarily for the benefit of the glory of God, and secondarily for the benefit of us. How does relaxing lenten requirements not obviously switch those two things around, and put humanity before God? And if we think, 'well God is just fine without us....He doesn't need us to be prioritising Him *ALL* the time', then we are even more foolish than has already been established over millenia 😂😐

[@robscoggins]

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

[@Wadiyatalkinabeet_]

“Stop blaming Vatican II” No, I don’t think I will.

[@ltaproductions7989]

All I know is that the reson I stopped attending the catholic mass is because of the reformation of the mass. And that's why I attend the SSPX.

[@Johannes-bu6np]

You stated a "few" bishops - it was more like 3000 bishops (a huge and influential body). Honestly, you are downplaying the fact that even if the council was not directly responsible for all those cultural and religious upheavals you mentioned (which I agree it solely was not) then it had no effect whatsoever on those outcomes. But as Western Christians, we believe that as the Church goes - so goes the culture (this is more evident now than ever) If the council had not let in modernist ideologies and potential heresies within the documents and dialogue it would have been better equipped to fight against those elements in the secular culture by resisting and denouncing them, especially within the Church itself. Vatican II is absolutely to blame for all the liturgical abuse that is rampant within the Church today and an open wound in the actual Body of Christ that has meted God's judgment down upon us and will continue to do so until it is finally stopped en masse. The Mass of the Ages is not a "magic fix" but it is the place that everything truly fruitful stems from. You are conflating the highest form of worship that we owe God with the council's often wordy pastoral mumbo jumbo, false ecumenism, and other non-fruitful hermeneutics of nothingness. I am just generally sorry for your obvious ignorance on this subject and I suggest more reading and a deeper understanding of the Mass of Ages, the Mass that has made all the amazing saints of the Church such as your spiritual Father St. Francis - who I cannot imagine would in any way approve of the Novus Ordo. Do you ever think someday you may deeply regret making a video like this and being dismissive in public and potentially scandalous way towards a seriously important Church issue?

[@BujangMelaka90]

Whether you like it or not, Vatican II is the greatest problem. And you Fr, a modernist in a habit.

[@angelaartist7091]

Ok, ok yes i agree with what your saying but Vatican II did cause a lack of beauty wich caused a severe lucke warmness and indiffrence. It also caused a sense of Gods justice being forrgotenn almost yes true since a few.recvent saints God did wnat us to emphazize mercy but not stop the teaching of Justice. And yes i know it wont fix the problems to go back again but still think about it! Licke mabey you dont have a special connection to beauty so mabey the loss of beauty dosnt affect you. But it raises hearts not entertains them. So yes it wasnt all Vaticans II fault but it still caused so much to be lost. I would also licke to say to say that a lotof our songs are protestant now...... But i supposes il have joy despite the lack of beuaty. But no everyone can do that i just think we atleast need the beuaty back atleast the beuaty and im not only talking ablut sculptors and paintings but the verry spirit of what once was.

[@cks8159]

The second vatican council is not true and heretical, I hope it needs to be reviewed, especially the lumen gentium 16

[@luispablogonzalezv4522]

I think this is more of a debate on the United States, because in my country I have never heard about catholics with an issue with vatican II, only on some old people that remember with nostalgia the latin mass, but just that.

[@didicita100]

Completely agree, most of the Catholics I know actually came back to the church thanks to VII and they are faithful people

[@luispablogonzalezv4522]

@@didicita100 that's great!

[@ursulasalakka1998]

As a European Catholic, I have never heard about this being an issue for someone.

[@royalsoldierofdrangleic4577]

I only heard my grandfathers talk about the time before Vatican II. To summarize their thoughts on the Latin Mass in one sentence i came up with this: "I didn't understand a single word, like all the others around me" I am an Italian Catholic, and i go to Paul VI mass in my parish, we have not many Latin parishes near my area.

[@didicita100]

@@royalsoldierofdrangleic4577 I was just about to comment something similar, many seem to believe that if before Vatican II more people went to mass it means that they lived it and most of my relatives and people I have talked about that say they used mass time to do something different, because they didn't know what was going on.

[@jrwidmar]

I think Father Casey and Dr. Taylor Marshall should have a youtube dialogue does anyone else agree? Thank you Father Casey for all your wisdom.

[@cosmo7559]

nope only you ...

[@alhilford2345]

Jrwid....: I am in agreement with you! Father Casey's audience needs another viewpoint, but I'm not holding my breath.

[@thedon978]

You’re completely missing the point.

[@marcosperez6024]

Please elaborate.

[@catholiccrusader5328]

Nice try Father but I'm 75 and I've seen the decline. Things started to sink once they kept messing with the Mass. Pope Pius XII's liturgical changes were enough. Father you weren't there back in the day I WAS!

[@619sophia]

With all due respect he shares a lot of his opinions in a smug manner; just my opinion. God bless you and all.

[@digimom82]

YES, YES and YES to all your questions. Satan was and still is in our world. Find Paul Harvey's 'If I Were the Devil' THAT is what had happened!! Mass (NO) IS boring. Find TLM!!

[@VelthurLausa]

We also need to stop saying that there is no problem with Vatican II

[@Rich-G.Intensity]

Did v2 deliver on its mission, yes or no?

[@VictorRamirezMusic]

It was a symptom of a continuation of modernism, freemasonry, secularism in the church

[@JosephDeLosSantos-t3m]

Steve Montemurro FREEMASONRY *me making the sign of the cross after typing it

[@jackdispennett744]

My standard of evidence for believing Freemason conspiracy theories is extremely high. Read about the Taxil hoax. Leo Taxil in the 1880s-1890s or so faked a conversion to Catholicism and produced spurious documents (some of which purported to be from a woman named Diana Vaughan who actually never existed). The documents detailed occult practices within freemasonry. Taxil went over the top, but Church authorities fell for it hook line and sinker. Leo xiii was taken in, and St Therese of Lisieux (still alive and relatively unknown then) was publicly humiliated when a photo she’d sent in a letter to the spurious “Diana Vaughan” was shown to the public by Leo Taxil when he publicly uncovered his own running hoax in 1897. This should be a cautionary tale. I don’t know what happened in the past, but Masons today seem to me to be largely religiously indifferent. They’re not allowed to talk religion at the Lodge from what I understand. The secret handshakes and code words or whatever are no longer secret-you can simply Google them. I think the Masonic Lodge is a dangerous place to go to spiritually, but until I see firsthand current evidence (documents and testimonials from multiple different people in multiple lodges in multiple parts of the world) I’m going to call baloney on any Masonic conspiracy theory.

[@nicolettelindsey6902]

Wholeheartedly agree! This needs to be more thoroughly discussed on this channel.

[@tonymurillo4651]

You are so wrong about the Latin mass when Pope Benedict brought back the Latin mass I personally notice a lot of people coming back to the church. You need to restudy your homework buddy

[@johnsanders2798]

Sorry. I really question your formation here. Is a priest's homily really supposed to speak to the problems in people's lives, or is it actually supposed to be a form of catechesis. I would say the latter. "The faith bears relevancy" What a bunch of garbage. I don't attend Latin Mass, but would of it was near me. Church attendance is high in churches where the faith is explained clearly and the priest is devout. Truth is singular and timeless. It is not in need of modern wishywashy clerics to make it relevant.

[@EverydayCatholic]

Oh my goodness, yes!!👏👏 I love the latin mass but when catholics believe that throwing out VII will magically solve all church (& even world) problems I just... face palm🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@jennifermorton9083]

I'm delighted someone has Put forward this point of view. I am sick of hearing that Vatican ll is the cause of all the Church's problems though l see no reason why people shouldn't go to Latin mass if they want to. I have enjoyed Latin mass on the few occasions I have been.

[@PaulTesta]

Father, In the spirit of charity, 😇... You spelled CAUSED wrong on that rooster arrow thing... [CASUED] OK, back to the video... Dcn Paul+

[@ejh5628]

Maybe intentional...pun?

[@NervousDisordo]

Maybe people don’t believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist because many Novus Ordo priests appear to have. I mean it looks clownish, especially with Eucharistic “minsters” who, are in no way even remotely close to being worthy enough to handle the Eucharist let alone make a scene to distribute Him. It’s a joke so yeah, I blame Vatican II. We are the Catholic faith not Protestants or Jewish. This needs to be said because in the Vatican II document it basically says we are all one in Christ. Obviously that’s not true. Those who are baptized make up the Mystical Body of Christ. I’ll be honest, your argument is pretty weak.

[@FabianDenial]

Well the difference is , using just physical observation Father, that you are a young priest probably in your 30’s, while Archbishop Viganò was born in 1941, saw the changes that happened himself during the 1960’s and 1969’s NovusOrdo, is now an Archbishop, and now has come with his conclusion why the Church is in such a mess. As by this alone, reason tells me whose ‘argument’ carries more merit and trustworthy.

[@johnrlott4002]

Deflection

[@MimTorbell]

The Latin mass is beautiful, but in the 60s our grandmas used to pray the rosary during the mass because they didn't understand the meaning of it, I think most of us who are able to appreciate Latin Mass it's because we had access to the Novus ordo thanks to the Vatican II. Also, if the Priest (my priest does) makes sure that the mass has the right music, and follows the rite it's a beautiful experience. You can feel the universality of the Church.

[@pollypeguin]

I attend the Latin Mass! I know what’s going on! Sometimes I pray the rosary! And there’s nothing wrong with that especially if you pray all the mysteries! The priest doesn’t need you to perform the consecration! You were there to give thanks nothing more nothing less get over it

[@pollypeguin]

“A few bishops getting together in Rome??? “. You were not even conceived in your mother’s womb.... pray over the words of the Traditional Latin Mass and see if that does not open your heart, soul and mind.

[@pollypeguin]

Values at work in these liberation movements???? Changes to the liturgy???

[@pollypeguin]

The TLM is beautiful and you don’t know enough about to begin to appreciated it. I am sad for you

[@nummern]

Grandma didn’t have a dual language missal? Nonsense.

[@johnflorio3052]

That’s right. Those four main Vatican II documents are solid. They changed no theology, changed no dogma, and upheld Divine Revelation. The interpretation since, however, has gone wanting. It’s also crucial to remember Jesus is really present in the Eucharist no matter the form or language of the Mass.

[@JU-bz1kn]

Doesn't one of the V-II docs say "together with the muslims, we worship the one God..." or something like that. Christians clearly do not worship the same God, even if we worship One God. But that is not explicit in the document, thus leading to confusion. And there is another document which says that "God wills the freedom of religion...". Really? Does God really will that? What I am trying to say, is that, V-II does have some problems, which needs to be resolved.

[@johnflorio3052]

@@JU-bz1kn Read Nostra Aetete yourself and you'll see that's NOT what it says.

[@lukebrady8966]

Religious freedom is against the teachings of the church

[@JU-bz1kn]

@@johnflorio3052 Thanks for the document name. And yes I went and saw what's written. It says in para 3 "....also the Moslems. They adore THE one God, living and...." Which can be easily be used to confuse people into believing that both have same God. Not only that, it gets further support from Lumen Gentium para 16 "....the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, ALONG WITH US adore THE one and merciful God, ..." That is confusing enough in itself, and when on top of that, these documents gets explanation from some modern(ist) priests and theologians, the doctrine of the Church, as was for 2000 years, may get some drastic changes. That's the fear. And I may say the fear came out to be true in many cases.

[@samaritain16]

@@lukebrady8966 Religious freedom is an Old Testament concept and confirmed by Christ !

[@c.s.froggis9982]

Logically, it is a fallacy to assume that because post hoc ergo propter hoc is not always true that it is never true. Very often, in fact, the post hoc correlation is a smart place to begin an investigation. Not until you prove the correlation does not have causal propter hoc relation can you eliminate the possibility.

[@jussyprakash6869]

We can learn more from coments here than talk itself

[@margaretbingham468]

Our Lady of La Salette, Our Lady of Fatima, Our Lady of Good Success. Our Lady did NOT tell any lies ya know.

[@hopefull61256]

Our Lady doesn't but people do. Those apparitions were made up.

[@itsdutchintime1907]

@@hopefull61256 You know this how?

[@hopefull61256]

@@itsdutchintime1907 It is my opinion. The church has become too focused on signs and superstitions which detracts from following Jesus's teachings. I do not believe these secrets and warnings given to certain special people are from God.

[@SmithsnMoz]

@@hopefull61256 ..You really don't believe in Our Lady of Fatima? Are you even Catholic?... So sad!

[@gloriacheon5952]

Thank God for you! Like St. John Paul ll tought us Faith and Reason are 2 wings that go together!

[@sahn105]

What evidence that V2 prevented a complete collapse?

[@sharbel23]

I watched to 2:30, and noticed that your first main argument is very naturalistic. The church of God is a mystical temple, from and through which flows Divine grace, it is the storehouse of the treasures of grace which flow from the sacraments. If these treasures are obscured, if obstacles are set up to block the flow of grace; if the moon of humanistic and naturalistic errors obscures the sun of Divine truth, then that would have a huge impact in the world of souls - and that is precisely where the upheaval was, it was in hearts and souls; in their relation with God, in their faith and hope, in their love and loving acceptance of the cross or their casting it away. It was an upheaval and falling away never before seen in the church, and it followed a council which taught the modernist errors of false ecumenism and religious indifferentism which had been condemned by Popes earlier in the 20th century, in some cases the heresies in the documents of Vatican 2 are word for word opposite of dogmatic Catholic teaching.

[@Markusctfldl]

This is not defensible. Yes, Protestant churches declined in the same period, but you neglect to mention they declined by pursuing the SAME policy as the Catholic Church at the time: modernizing, becoming 'more relevant', doing away with older liturgical practice. They actually argue against your point. Nobody looking at the facts could conclude that Vatican II was anything other than a disaster for the Roman Church. It is correct to say the world went against the Catholic Church, but the point is that the Church COMPROMISED with this change, rather than resisting it. It is not the be all and end all of the Catholic Church's problems. The collapse of monasticism, homosexual priests etc. are problems predating Vatican II, but if the council was intended to orient the Church in response to the challenges of the modern world, it utterly failed in this regard, as the fates of Ireland, Chile and countless other places testifies. Why is it so hard to simply agree that it brought about nothing good?

[@Markusctfldl]

"Returning to the way we did things for hundreds of years would result in a small community of passionate believers"... and you have exchanged that for 100 cat ladies in New York City who support abortion and only go to Church to gossip and boss others around at the parish council? What happened to quality over quantity? The result of the policy supported in this video leads in one direction: an increasingly emboldened majority of 'legacy' Catholics who believe not a word of doctrine and support the worst priests on the planet, and a minority of passionate true believers who are increasingly shunned and vilified for simply stating the truth. It's sad to see.

[@geraldarmstrong5646]

guitars sure isn't the answer

[@TeacherRobert]

I agree that Vatican 2 is not the cause of the decline. However, I disagree with you that Vatican 2 helped ease the crisis. It merely exchanged one problem for another. You are correct in saying that Vatican 2 made the mass more inclusive and attractive, however, bad fruit started coming out of this success. The mass got a lot more casual, business like, to the point where there were clown masses at one time. People started going to mass in their street clothes, and they no longer took their faith seriously. I have had first hand experience with this. When I went to the latin mass, I was stunned at the amount of devotion and respect the people had for God and the church, which I could only dream about in the norvus ordo. My faith, which had been in decline for a while, had a strengthening and renewal. Vatican 2 exchanged quality for quantity, and that was quite necessary during a time when the population was growing at never before seen rates, and the culture was becoming more liberal. But I think this has gone a bit too far, and we should make some changes. Following God was never meant to be easy, Jesus said it would be like picking up and carrying your own cross.

[@hjyahi7972]

You should debate dr taylor marshall

[@BreakingInTheHabit]

No thank you.

[@hjyahi7972]

@@BreakingInTheHabit Lol

[@hjyahi7972]

"Reasonable hope all men are saved" -thats our most popular person riiiip

[@a.d1287]

@@BreakingInTheHabit why not?

[@jaymoret7418]

@@a.d1287 Part of the problem is perfectly summed up by his reply. If it was a non-Catholic commentator the response would probably be different.

[@quipotestcaperecapiat1123]

This is not about the Holy Mass only, it's about the change of doctrine and dogma. Look closely: Bergoglio, the Anti Pope, was praised by the Spanish freemasons for his new encyclical "Fratelli Tutti", because he distanced himself from the doctrine of the "old church" - that is the problem! The church can never change her dogmas or doctrines on certain things, she could never give us heresy, never! She is protected by the Holy Ghost and can only give us truth, not heresies. Vatican II brought heresies, it definitely did, you can look that up yourself. So the "church" which came up after this "council" is a sect, but not the catholic church, and the current "popes" are phony prelates. Until people understand, that this is not simply about the Latin Mass vs. Novus ordo, but that the problem goes way deeper, nothing will change, and the Vatican in the hands of enemies of the Church will lead many catholics astray. And your concern, that the church would become smaller when we go back to pre 1955 is not a valid argument, our Lord doesn't count many people, He wants catholics who fight for the truth and live their lives according to what His church taught them, and didn't He ask the apostles, that when He comes for the second coming, He won't find much faith on earth?

[@isaacrentschler8856]

At least I think for me the Novus ordo is bad because I don’t feel reverent. And I disagree with ecumenism, as no faith is equal to the Catholic faith because it is the one true faith

[@pjsmith4369]

Thank you for putting into words what I believe about Vatican II. I am of the few lifelong, practicing Catholics who actually lived in the time of the Latin Mass. If you think people were “ holier “ back then, I would say to you - human nature has not changed. There were things that were not wonderful and there were unkind Catholics. Nothing seemed to change for me. If you were a devout and practicing Catholic before Vatican II, then it should not have changed your usual practice. I was so happy to hear the Mass in English - I thought it was lovely. So wonderful to know what we were saying and hearing. The preaching, as far as I remember, was usually hit and miss. Then and now. Some priests are great preachers; some not at all. But now we can go online to hear excellent preaching from Bishops, other priests. 🙏✝️

[@RPlavo]

And people sinned, had abortions, practiced birth control, abused youngsters, covered it up, fooled around, got drunk waged war dropped atomic bombs on civilians……..

[@november132]

I love Latin Mass. It's so refreshing and I'm able to focus more. I don't understand why so few parishes offer Latin Mass.

[@jamesmorrissey2297]

I am 61 years old. Please let me understand fully. Without hesitation all that is spoken, prayed, and worshipped in the Mass. It may sound more Pious. But, Jesus, and the apostles did not speak latin. The Mass, and the scriptures were translated into Latin. I want to be able to focus on my absorbing liturgy. Not trying to figure out what was just said. 🙏🙏

[@v.k.4381]

I went to a Catholic school in the 1980’s and I have to say that I am one of the few from that school that has continued on with the Catholic faith; unfortunately, most from my generation at that school could care less about the faith and most don’t even know about Vatican 2. I have to agree with Padre.

[@daveufirst]

Sounds like you don't agree with him.

[@alexanastasiadis2592]

So he's essentially saying that the Church has to just adapt to the world and go with the flow rather than holding fast to Church teaching and tradition. Christ told us to not be of this world.

[@BreakingInTheHabit]

Nope. Not what I'm saying at all. I'm not sure how you got that from this video.

[@MrAquinas1]

You fail to mention how Dignitatis Humanae established a basis for syncretism and how the secular humanism of Gaudium et Spes established a basis for Catholics to abandon their sacramental life, for starters.