Stop Doing Chest Flys - I'm Begging You!!

[@athleanx]

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[@cnelson860]

Never lucky :(

[@oommggdude]

Holy crap. I didn't win. AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

[@bonaahadji4379]

I give up

[@siddharthsen4475]

So close hmm..

[@XxbankerboomxX]

Still haven't won this giveaway, anybody else?

[@aryankhannavlogs3580]

When jeff hugs you, he doesnt let go till he feels his pecs contract

[@saketgokhale5951]

Aryan Khanna 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂g1

[@neverforgettodofacepulls782]

Hahahahahaha

[@Ragnando]

LOL

[@ashishrana2830]

And his shoulder blades retracted and pushed downwards.

[@Bot_Exterminator]

Okay I just can't help but admit that it was a good one

[@KobraVR]

Me: Opens eyes after 10 year coma Jeff: WRONG you are KILLING your gains!

[@pratik8014]

Seriously man, whatever I'm doing this guy comes up with a video next day saying "You are doing this wrong"😤🤦"

[@Tanvir_x3]

@@pratik8014 he is into business sometimes he make things but also flys and Upright row is bad excercise. I don't do flys, upright row and any excercise Which goes behind the neck is bad simply ignore it

[@pratik8014]

@@Tanvir_x3 sometimes i feel like he is not genuine he just don't have new ideas for his video so he just keep on making same things but with different POV...

[@Tanvir_x3]

@@pratik8014 true fitness do get out of content and start making up things without any research and analysis they just put their perspective on video

[@pratik8014]

@@Tanvir_x3 what do you mean? Are you against him or are you defending him?

[@slingshotmcoy]

Jeff is shredded enough to literally be his own anatomy lesson.

[@lisaclarke5191]

Haha, for real though!! I'm trusting him for sure!!

[@josephrevell3078]

I agree, I was thinking this as I just watched it then

[@li-nr8jq]

did i ask

[@lucbrisson6396]

he’s not a natty lol

[@ManuelPerez-jx1yt]

dafuqawew can’t keep that body at that age plus his income is his body and nobody tests him so it’s common sense

[@em6517]

5 years from now. Jeff: working out is killing your gains!

[@mariogudeljevic9999]

🤣😎

[@MohamedAdel-kl1nn]

me: breathes neff : I'm gonna have to stop you right there

[@andrewpeppers5613]

Yes he's a damn clown.

[@milindjajodia3432]

@@andrewpeppers5613 i feel that way too sometimes but then he has a physique better than all of us?

[@himlolo]

@@milindjajodia3432doesn’t mean he applies the same training in his videos

[@marvluebke]

Dude, your veins have veins.

[@corynorell3686]

c a p i l l a r i e s

[@Paul-pd9uw]

seriously, 1:37 holy fuck!

[@corynorell3686]

@Nostalgia For Infinity Well, considering capillaries are what form the vessel network between our various veins and arteries, they are quite literally veins for our veins. Better luck next time!

[@fhy537]

Its called vasa vasorum, vessels of big vessels but ofc that cant be seen its microscopic

[@joeysung311]

@Cory Norell Considering capillaries are 5-10µm in diameter and thus invisible to the naked eye, I'm pretty sure that's not what marvDE was referring to. Veins for your veins would be more like venules. Better luck next time, do a quick google search beforehand if you know you haven't paid close attention during high school biology.

[@SALTxTHExWOUND]

I’ve hurt my shoulder from 3 things, dumbbell flies, dips, and benching more weight than I was comfortable handling (so my form suffered) lessons learned. 💪🏻😁

[@adamchase1517]

SALTxTHExWOUND how from dips?

[@oneworldaway9187]

dumbbell chest fly lol

[@d.c.2775]

SALTxTHExWOUND Dips! They should be scratch off everyone’s work outs.

[@Chesterd2]

Same!

[@bollingbollz9379]

@@jjwp-ql5rv You also can hurt your tricep elbow tendon on dips if you lean back too much.

[@crumbytie8182]

Imagine this guy being your dad. You'd have a heart of steel

[@beefbroth6539]

I'd go to school shirtless. And the only thing in my school bag is a muscle marker.

[@Kisual1]

Beef Broth 😂

[@thatoneguy779]

Or roids.lol

[@keysersoze6330]

And a perfect posture

[@justinjones3916]

But a weak ass chest!!!

[@jdssurf]

Those particular cable machines are a god send for so many exercises. Blows my mind gyms only have one or two of them.

[@Cobrastarzz1]

TechnoGym makes some of the best machines, alot of gyms have been using their machines these days

[@clavicusvile1328]

@@Cobrastarzz1 truth

[@brianrutherford3860]

Jbird, so very true!!! My local gym has only one of those machines and you have to fight with 20 other people to get a good set in. But you're absolutely right about it being great for so many adduction and abduction exercises (rhomboids, pecs, delts, traps, even core (abs). Fantastic machines.

[@Pelon21009]

My local 24 hour has 4

[@asafimc]

It's the most used equipment in my gym, so they have 4

[@angelosorio98]

This man never runs out of content and it’s amazing

[@AxxLAfriku]

Every time I comment somewhere, people always tell me how much they adore and love me, the supreme being of KZbin. How much do you love me, ANGEL?

[@cory2841]

He's recycled this topic atleast 3 times. But I agree with your statement lol

[@meestery_9685]

@@AxxLAfriku what the fuck

[@edward6749]

Cause the human body is endless in its anatomy👌🏼

[@peoples2296]

To be fair he's talked about not doing flys multiple times before

[@corynorell3686]

Skipping legs until we get a perfect leg workout. :)

[@dmastervideos]

It's not that hard when heavy squats and deadlift cover 90% of your mass.

[@zzoko7693]

today is the first time ive done legs since christmas, thats what happens when you watch too much broscience

[@arturwillow9108]

I've been hitting legs twice a week since the new year!

[@DevilDaRebel]

@axiom No... They're dangerous if you cannot hold that "heavy" weight. Because vaguely saying "Heavy" is extremely subjective. What's 'heavy' for you might not be for me.

[@DevilDaRebel]

@axiom I don't know who told you that, but that is not what Heavy means. Heavy just means how close you are to not being able to lift it. high intensity is always done with light weights until you cannot do a single rep more.

[@evolution031680]

Arnold Schwarzenegger: “Chest flys gave me full pectoral muscle development.” ATHLEAN-X: “Stop doing chest flys!” Me: 🤔🤷‍♂️

[@MrEmilbergvall]

Arnold had testosterone levels higher than the empire state building, with that much shit in your system your muscle grows even without training...

[@woodwindsnstuff5593]

@Danny Williams Are you talking about pullovers? Jeff talks about them too being a great exercise in a video

[@LZmodel]

Who is Arnold?

[@landrysaathoff2418]

Jeff literally wants to prevent people from hurting themselves, even provided a BETTER alternative, and is ripped beyond belief (trustworthy in his advice). No downsides to listening to Jeff.

[@evolution031680]

@@landrysaathoff2418 No, I now understand the points that Jeff made, and instead do cable flys.💪

[@efe_aydal]

Who else is making up bullshit names to note down the exercises? I'll name that exercise "Standing Cable Pull"

[@oguzhanakkaya3843]

Zaten yapmadığın hareketler isim koymasan da olur :D

[@edhamashour5029]

Abi senin ne işin var burda ? Yeni hedef bodybuilderlar mı ?

[@iremm.875]

Faşist efe aydal Müslüman dövmek için vücut geliştiriyor

[@yosefkhalil610]

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[@sphere6258]

Lol! Yep, been lifting for years and still write shit like "Deadlift Row" instead of Pendlay Row.

[@running5072]

I can’t stop doing fly’s I’ll disappoint Arnold!

[@officertenpenny4505]

running5072 are u Arnold’s friend? Otherwise he doesn’t give a fuck about you

[@albussd]

@@officertenpenny4505 100% correct.

[@TheHiddenShadowz]

@@rileywallace1132 it worked for him though...

[@ashtonduda9971]

@@Trenacetate43 even bending arms only slightly decreases weight on lever arm..still potential to injure

[@suskunt804]

Riley Wallace and this guy does? ... what works for you might not work for others he never emphasises this.

[@killyanvolmar3318]

Listen to this, flys were my go to and my shoulders are now destroyed. Dont make my mistake

[@rickysingh616]

I always felt it on my shoulders and never on my chest

[@rickysingh616]

Upright rowing killed my shoulders joints

[@zachsamboi5931]

Dumbbell flys are literally used for should therapy 😂

[@unky5724]

Zach Samborski Only for first stages of therapy

[@wowooooo54]

N Sieg Sum? Do flys on a fly machine then there perfect

[@johannlourens6183]

This ended up being exactly what I wanted. kzbin.infoUgkxP26Tir6n60vUkdtn4mbwhRO8cwuJQNy2 I get the flexibility of multiple dumbbells without taking up the space of a whole set. I have a very small spare room that these and a bench fit perfectly into. Like others mentioned the size of these are a little bigger/longer than traditional weights so they aren’t the perfect solution for everyone. However, if you're looking for a flexible and space saving design for a home workout I’d recommend these.

[@wttao39]

I'm gonna say this with all honesty about Jeff. His the only one, or one of the very few that he do not just show us drills and exercise to build muscles..... He does it, with the science of biomechanic and at the same time giving a seminar of physical therapy!!! He GIVES knowledge for free that is very expensive and any of you has an experience with a physical therapist sessions you know what I'm talking about...... Thank you for your priceless input Jeff and keep up with your great work. RESPECT!!!

[@Acujeremy]

Yeah Jeff truly is one of the greatest trainers in the world.

[@JosephLachh]

Amen. Praise God for people who have hearts like Jeff.

[@bodvarson1933]

Ya but he also speaks bullshit sometimes too. He's done get big fast videos before and he should no better.

[@pauldavies7251]

@@Acujeremy No he's down right rubbish He needs flys with his skinny chest 😂

[@bvmp5825]

It’s “He’s” not “His.” I don’t know how some of you made it out of elementary school.

[@bmbm1]

"iF It wOrkEd fOr aRnoLd iT wOrKs foR mE" - guy with injured shoulder

[@effortlessGFX]

- guy with DYEL physique

[@bmbm1]

@Thor Odinson read my comment again

[@말드래곤]

@@bmbm1 the other dudes point is that you still are bench pressing even its more dangerous than flies... just do it properly and there is no problems

[@bmbm1]

@@말드래곤 that I can agree with

[@onurbole7921]

@Thor Odinson Usually it is an acute injury that happens on bench. The excessive stress on the shoulder capsule during flys will not cause an acute injury like a pec or labrum tear, shoulder dislocation, etc, because you are not using heavy weight, but it will lead to a chronic problem that you can feel during any upper body movement and think it is not from flies. It is like behind the neck presses, people don't get injured doing it because they use light weight and partial ROM, and then blame their impingement on another exercise because it is when they felt the pain.

[@KevinFrasard]

I injured my coracoid process really bad years ago on heavy dumbbell flyes, and when it happened...i can only describe it as the feeling of when you pull something that is Velcro apart, and the pain was enormous!!! Haven't been the same on chest training ever since, and it left a permanent indentation in that area because of it (can be seen in my channel art picture). Thanks a lot Jeff for this alternative exercise, I can only do a handful of movements for chest these days and it sucks big time!

[@shav12]

Muscle Music I remember seeing your through the eyes of the dead cover right when I was getting into lifting and death metal (couldn't have come at a better time lol). Still one of the most badass videos in my opinion. Had no idea you still made videos I'm def subscribing

[@cmcdonald8912]

Yeah you probably avulsed it completely from the bone

[@mus3500]

Omg bro..ur muscle tho. abslutely awesme!! Nice chnnel bro

[@georgedorjee6944]

Do you activate your chest while playing any slayer riff ?

[@yawnbomb928]

@@mus3500 and all natural too lol.

[@AmbiencePT]

I've been doing them for 15 years. Never got injured, but also never really felt that it was an efficient exercise !

[@JoseReyes-sw6xd]

Those that get injured must have had bad form. You on the other hand must have had good form.

[@deshawnfernander3004]

Injured my delts by doing this exercise. Told my trainer it didn’t feel right on my body and I blindly listened to him not my shoulders fucked up

[@winterovthanatoz]

I feel my chest more from flies then doing bench using a machine is also an alternative and cables

[@Lucas-rz3vl]

@@JoseReyes-sw6xd That's a naive way of looking at it, anyone can make a mistake or even just get unlucky, even if your form is normally perfect.

[@amazingvoices7890]

You're going to be prone into injury if you will do a heavy db fly's, because it will be hard to lift it lol. Moderate weight and negative movements will be fine.

[@dontropepe5929]

After a 20 year break I finally started weight training again 4 months ago. I stumbled onto your vids about a week ago. I wish I had found them sooner. Thank you for the useful and helpful info.

[@AnthonyKerry]

It doesn't matter what Arnold did, if Jeff says I stop it, I will stop it. Science and technology is progressive and Jeff is living in the modern world while Arnold lived in another world. Thank you Jeff.

[@oscarruiz5076]

Anthony Kerry Arnold was also on anabolic steroids

[@raymondmenz522]

@@oscarruiz5076 Arnold also smoked cigarettes.

[@Dooshanche]

​ Raymond Menz Arnold was also the Governor of California

[@itzmeAG]

Arnold was the terminator

[@angelobronte1452]

Anorld is the goat . But l believe Jeff.

[@Avocado797]

I like that he offers an alternative. Always have to replace the forbidden fruit with something sweeter.

[@li-nr8jq]

force your religion on me again and i will take you to court

[@flamingfearow7403]

li lol get over yourself

[@jaybeebee9288]

That's a cool phrase bro!!

[@boza8737]

@@li-nr8jq he didnt force anything on to you. You willingly read the comment lmao

[@TheSpanishDon1]

U know dis guy is experienced when he draws on himself

[@moneymule8209]

Yeah no need for those muscle diagrams, *he is the muscle diagram*

[@romankozak5169]

Citation: personal experience lol

[@calebmatthews2026]

Lol.... always makes me think of plastic surgery

[@loui9015]

At the beginning of the video I thought those Marks were Chinese tattoos 😅😅😅

[@Jamalescu111]

HAHAHAHAHAHHA

[@broly6708]

4:34 thats something indian moms are good at edit:wtf 500 likes thx everyone

[@akgold22]

Bro Ly omg yes

[@ashapal3144]

😂😂

[@GroupLearning_in]

what are you saiyin?

[@davedesmon9470]

Elizabeth Warren likes it?

[@aynoni9919]

Salute to this joke

[@TrayJayRecords]

guys, where are we going to build the Jeff Cavalier monument?

[@JackgarPrime]

Well let's be real, Jeff is going to outlive all of us. So we won't even get to build a monument for him.

[@Bootchair]

Mount Rushmore, we will rename it mount “liftmoar”

[@neverforgettodofacepulls782]

@@JackgarPrime That doesn't mean we won't try like hell to worship our savior and build that damn monument.

[@philkilbride4148]

The statue of liberty has been there quite a while

[@leannehamilton7678]

You mean there isn’t one already??????

[@fearsome6682]

When Jeff does flies the dumbbells beg him to stop.

[@XploreAz]

I didn't see any flies in his gym.

[@Noog6284]

@@XploreAz Haha got heeeeem!

[@likhithk8622]

.

[@Riwillion]

@@likhithk8622 swat!

[@Nomnomnom165]

@@XploreAz We have similar mindsets

[@sobored9317]

It’s not even controversial, this is 100% excellent advice. Been lifting for 6 years. That bit where you marked the front of your armpit is exactly where I’ve injured twice now and couldn’t train chest as a result. I realised as I was recovering that flys, ESPECIALLY dumbbell flys, were the thing that hurt this point the most. Now a year without dumbbell flys training chest as much as I like - no issues.

[@tracywebb1681]

Lol 6 yrs ??? Your just starting out .

[@larjkok1184]

Tracy Webb Haha! Good one, lady.

[@richardb.5691]

You went too heavy with your flies. Any exercise can injure you if done too heavy. There are dumb people out there like Scott Herman and his stupid and dangerous "cheat and recover" nonsense that will do nothing for you except cause injury over time.

[@reizig]

@Thor Odinson Did you even watch the video? He barely talks about injury, he gives several reason why it's an inferior exercise and just won't give you maximum results. FYI, saying someone who presents logic arguments against you is just "scared" very transparently broadcasts insecurity.

[@TN4evr]

Realized** and you probably locked out you arms when you did them and that is the worst thing you can do

[@josemakoto5]

Unfortunately I recently injured my shoulder doing this workout, I wish I saw this sooner but thank you for the video really educational 👍🏽

[@NumeroCinko]

Hope ya doin well now. How long did it take to heal btw?

[@blurrble5]

Same...

[@tommytatham4649]

Same here. Bummed I pushed it doing this exercise on a bench for all the reasons he lists here. We live and learn I suppose...

[@carlosvazquez3820]

i got my shoulder fuck too with flyes,,,,

[@smbweideman626]

I'm not sure what weights you guys use or form but Arnold and many others used flys to destroy the chest and then would go to cable flys for definition. It's a slow build up workout it's not one where it's like bench or squat and you just do a bunch of weight. I like his information but to down the flys like this I don't recommend it. Look at chests back then that did flys look at chests now. No comparison no argument.

[@rickmyvideos9789]

I Would like to see a video off Jeff walking into random gyms to see if anyone recognizes him!

[@corynorell3686]

Based on the amount of people I see at my gym with completely fucked up form, quarter reps, ego lifting, crazy inventive uses of very specific machines, etc... Nobody in my entire state watches Jeff. LOL

[@JohnStockton7459]

@@corynorell3686 some people at the gym i just want to punch in the throat. Ego lifters get me the most, fucking soft ass pussies

[@punanilover4934]

Jeff would have a heart attack if he comes to my gym.

[@CrazyBoy-jx7yu]

That's exactly what i am thinking...even some of my gym's trainers should check him out

[@garbage23]

I want to see Jeff walk into a gym and pimp slap guys doing chest flies

[@f22raptor37]

You gota licence for those guns??

[@alanpumpc]

I got your license right here. svhiosrvniurjivoijrvoiejroveroreijoerjforej

[@alexvarela5393]

We don’t need a license in the USA. 🖕🏽

[@bennb4342]

Biology 101. They should show Jeff videos in schools.

[@cowboys779]

Benn B somebody would bitch to much masculinity 😂

[@jamalj1092]

^^

[@justinjones3916]

Anatomy maybe? Right??

[@jonascelentano9251]

Biology?? Lol, maybe you should go to school 😂😂 jk bro

[@justinjones3916]

@@jonascelentano9251 ikr f'n antology would've been better and I don't think that's even a word! LMAO

[@franckthetank4977]

Well its interesting...I spent 35 years of my life in gyms , school and competitions...I never had anyone from the fitness school or pro competitors or guys who knows their stuff very well who told me to stop doing flys..I actually love the feel on my chest doing flys....I don't use heavy weight on that exercise as i don't want to injure my shoulders..I also keep the tension on my chest as my dumbbells goes up...but i certainly don't stretch my arms ..always leave bent elbows ...same on the way down...I never over stretch it as with this position muscles are vulnerable..so yes great feel but be cautious on the execution...that's my view on it... ...and I love it...I wouldn't change it but I do use cable crossover as well..Thanks for your view on the flys...

[@John_Stone_]

3+ million views has earned Athlean another 5k in his bank account so far. "STOP TEH DEADLY FLYES"... It's just an excuse for another video, more views and $$$.

[@franckthetank4977]

@@John_Stone_ If he was performing flys more often his chest could certainly be less flat...Total rubbish to throw that flys exercise down the drain..

[@jaybeebee9288]

@@franckthetank4977 Been training about as long as you have mate, I'm midway. I can see a lot of noobs doing chest flys on an elevated, narrow platform and then giving their shoulders a wrench using too much weight. All they need to do however is progress cautiously, never use a weight you can't control, and even when training to failure, just make sure they have matting and social distance so they can drop the weights without damage to persons or property.

[@RiZeLegiT]

yeah it’s fine to do flys just bend your elbows

[@kimjongun365]

In his defense, he doesn’t say to do excercises that have a greater chance of injury. I still do chest flys, but there’s a real risk, especially to people new to the gym to overextend and injure themselves. People who have been lifting a while know this and are usually more careful. He trains athletes such as Antonio brown as well and if there’s a small risk of them getting injured, he doesn’t want them doing the exercise since that could harm their performance on field. My 2 cents

[@rayg3583]

I'm 52 yrs old. After watching this video, I stopped doing the two arm flat and incline bench flies and started using the pully for flies by adjusting the hight of the pully. I find it to be a better workout at my age and for upper/lower chest. I also decreased my Bench incline for the 5th position to the 3rd position like in another video and find that to be a better workout for my middle and upper chest as well. Thanks for those videos. After 2 weeks of the changes, I am noticing a difference for the better in my chest workouts.

[@drizztdrourden2534]

Ray G smart man

[@vyn172]

When jeff upload video he gets likes and dislikes to avoid imbalances

[@Strongaholic]

Save your shoulder! Thanks for this. 💪🏼

[@johanesterhuizen1842]

Strongaholic I just had a look at some of your videos :)

[@Strongaholic]

Johan Esterhuizen and my latest video is Im doing flys 😂

[@Empty12345]

@@betterways7515 You know what pedofile is, right?

[@peterolley7159]

@@betterways7515 that's a fucking strong word to use on someone ! I think you should remove this childish comment immediately ,, people get beaten or even killed for being accused of such disgusting names ,so do the right thing and think about what your saying !!!!

[@Strongaholic]

peter olley agree on this!

[@Brakathor]

Some pretty solid arguments. It almost bugs me how stupidly obvious certain things are, but you don't notice them until someone else points them out to you. I'm new to weight training, and I was just about to incorporate this exercise into my routine. He's probably saved me a ton of hurt here.

[@EliHank]

Yup...or until you suffer an injury like myself. I started doing the incline dumbbell variation of chest flys with very light weight for just a few weeks and still managed to damage my right delt. Jeff knows his stuff...I don't do any exercise until I get his perspective on it from one of his videos. The gym is a dangerous place if you don't know what you're doing

[@MrMan-ke9ph]

Honestly I’ve done leg extensions just for a few workouts, and my knees already hurt. That’s because I didn’t listen to Jeff and some other youtubers instead smh. So I’m gonna heed his warning this time.

[@corynorell3686]

They're fine if you go up real slow and hold at the top aren't they? I thought it was just 'throwing' your legs up that was the issue, but now I don't remember...

[@starkv3003]

You better do, he is right i got hurt doing flies and still pains sometimes after 6 months.

[@MrMan-ke9ph]

Cory Norell yea I was doing them very controlled and light weight but still felt most of the tension on my knees for some reason

[@sheadoherty7434]

@@corynorell3686 The opposite, go light and dont lock out. And its an assistance exercise. Squat and leg press should come first.

[@corynorell3686]

@@sheadoherty7434 Understood.

[@CountryBoyShane]

Simply the best fitness channel on KZbin.

[@MANISH-ug1kj]

May be

[@Khroniclas]

Jeff's only competition is CalesthenicsMovement tbh. They are like the bodyweight version of Jeff.

[@eliasfrench3909]

Jeff nipard

[@thegoodlife9380]

The Jeff’s rule fitTube: Jeff Cavalier & Jeff Nippard

[@ikeybmg]

My left shoulder pops every time I squeeze in on a two arm cable fly or dumbbell fly. I'm so glad I found this single arm fly. It feels awesome when I do it and no more shoulder popping. Thanks brother!

[@warlax5658]

Hmm. Guess I’m never doing flys again. That’s cool I hated them anyway.

[@eddietorres8668]

Thanks Jeff, I like the scientifical and anatomical facts and reasoning behind everything. Super helpful and I'll try the cable fly as an alternative!

[@justinjones3916]

I think you meant biological facts. Ask Benn B, he'll set you straight. LOL

[@harveyseno2790]

@@justinjones3916 Physiological to be more specific.

[@li-nr8jq]

sCienTificAL anD AnAtomicAl faCTS HOLY SHIT YOU ARE SO SMART now i know who stole all the books from miss tapias class

[@cedddkkddkk]

Personally I’ve never found myself wanting to do flys simply because they look kinda spooky. I always ended up feeling them in my shoulders, and i just know I’m gonna hurt myself or something. So i avoid them.

[@calebmatthews2026]

cedddkkddkk 👻👻👻👻👻👻👻SPOOOOOKYYYYY💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@cobbler88]

We get lured in because there ARE some stretches you get from certain movements that feel pretty damn good. I occasionally do a little bit on a flye machine, but I found that I get much more emphasis on the target area if - instead of holding the grips like normal - I keep my hands flat, palms up and sort of push the handles toward the middle using the sides of my hands.

[@danielkrome2333]

I never been injured with dumbell flys....depends how u do it .....with bad form you'll get injured like any other exercise...

[@cedddkkddkk]

Daniel krome I’ve never been injured either. But the number of times I’ve done fly’s comes pretty close to the number of times I’ve trained legs.

[@lort6022]

@@danielkrome2333 dumbelll fly is a waste of time, use cables.

[@seabizkitsngravy]

This video just saved my workout routine. The fly's were destroying my shoulder and ended up tearing an ac joint. The alternative you provided is so much better.

[@JeffOchoaFitnessDudeJeff]

I've been doing flys and I'm going to stop. Thank you Jeff for your well-presented video! Thanks for your help

[@li-nr8jq]

oh you’re welcome Jeff Ochoa, we appreciate your appreciation for our constructive video. blow a molded corn dog

[@abdul-lt7re]

I never really liked dumbbell fly's anyway I never really feel anything and they bother my rotator cuff cable fly's are excellent

[@Charliemmafan]

I've watched a lot of different people giving Fitness advice but I honestly think your videos are among the best so keep up the good work.

[@youngjedi8963]

I needed this. I was doing chest flys on the ground then moved to doing it on the bench, and now my left shoulder is killing me. PLEASE do floor chest flys, don't hurt yourself!!

[@ZacharyLaid]

.... *BUT* Arnie did them

[@danielrowe2174]

He was old school. Jeff learned from others mistakes. If only Ronie Colman knew before destroying His back.

[@MangoFish78]

🤣🤣🤣🤣... exactly

[@Apfelkind4000]

Arnie injured his shoulders several times pretty bad and also used steroids. So maybe you shouldn't follow him completely. 😉

[@kewlbug]

I think he blew out his shoulders multiple times. I cant remember which video he said. But back then it was "No pain, no gain" mentality

[@jiorts]

knoweledge back then was just in development...if your body can do it without injuries fine...do it. others may choose different exercices...

[@healthylifestyle3237]

Great tips! You always highlight mistakes that go unnoticed that help to exercise sooo much more effective. Thank youuu!!

[@DrAmor-vj2om]

I love the scientific addition you provide to these videos. Really helps give more purpose and reason to the exercises

[@jahidurrashid9741]

I literally agree 100% with this video because yesterday I have been having pains EXACTLY where jeff mentioned in the front of the shoulder and I did flys two days ago

[@sreeharics8066]

Jeff ‘s next video be like: Stop doing exercises they are reducing your gains

[@sudakshdimri2664]

You've changed lifestyles sir! You're an era in bodybuilding! Thankful for you and your channel.

[@ursamajor7320]

Ass kisser of the year

[@Inexorable14]

This is exactly why I watch these videos. I have been doing flys for years. Thank you for the info!

[@li-nr8jq]

too late, after two years your shoulders are already so damaged that in later years you’ll begin experiencing problems with your front and rear delt contraptions

[@jacoblehrer4198]

@@li-nr8jq completely depends on your age

[@toddp.226]

Man, just found your channel just now. I'm 50 and just got back on TRT/HRT and want to get back to my jacked days, but with the newest science and nutrition. This is my first video, look forward to watching the other vids and evolving into being "my" best self.

[@littromney6048]

Absolutely genius. Makes perfect sense. I will be adjusting my pectoral abduction work this week. Thanks for the knowledge brotha. 👍🏾👍🏾

[@mtbknow-how3795]

I can see why this excercise may not be ideal for everyone but I've never had any shoulder stress from doing this workout and I always feel it in my upper chest area. I also don't extend my arms out as much, I have like a 60 degree bend in my arm specifically so I don't strain my shoulder

[@swishbomb3889]

Well I guess its not a bad idea to be weary, but if you insist on it, it would be very hard for anyone to stop you.

[@philippetremblay9583]

Ready to lose that giveaway??? Dang it i got so close

[@karlostaresinic3337]

Same here man

[@withku]

Phil 99 same lol

[@theolbiterator5408]

As close as Jeff's chest to the bar during his pull-ups.

[@jasonwelch9346]

How can you possibly expect to win anything when you enter into the opportunity with such a negative mindset, already expecting to lose? That is why you fail, for not having faith or a positive outlook.

[@jasonwelch9346]

Also, I regret to inform you; even with a positive mindset such as mine, I too have not won the contest either.

[@albertmusco]

An exceptional kinesiological analysis of what I had suspected all these years . I rehabbed a torn rotator cuff about tens years ago and I used TheraBands to strengthen my shoulder . I purchased a set of different bands and used the same pulley motion by using a door anchor chest high and pulling the resistance tube across my body . The weight training facilities has been locked down, as are all such venues where people gather , over the past two weeks due to the COVID-19 virus . I live in Canada, and the pandemic may keep all non essential facilities and services shut down for possibly the next three to four months . I have my resistance tubes , curl bar, and two set of adjustable dumb bells . Keep safe and stay healthy !

[@jayreszy4398]

Jeff is THE BOSS for a reason!

[@malenotyalc]

What about doing chest fly on that sitting upright machine? It has a catch guard that is adjustable to save from over extension. I know machines do not work as many muscle groups, but it does isolate the chest and arms.

[@yowsephh]

That is also okay. What you could do with that machine is equal to what Jeff demonstrated with the cable machine.

[@normvlqtte6512]

It still creates a lot of tension in the shoulders joints and you are not abducting across mid-line, the cable cross-overs is definitely the best. To cross the mid-line of your chest does change everything, the contraction is very intense. I use it to prefatigue the muscles and then get back on the cables after the big compound exercices - inclined and flat dumbells press. It works well for me and my left shoulder is protected.

[@malenotyalc]

I'm also a bit gun shy with shoulder exercises due to having a rotar cuff tear that took years for it to quit hurting like a dagger twisting in the bone.

[@juandenz2008]

I haven't seen a pec dec in a gym for ages ? I thought they went out of style. Certainly the pec dec appears on lots of lists of machines to avoid. However if you are careful and can adjust the guard, it is probably OK. The main danger is the pec deck yanks your arms backward as you approach the end of the range of motion putting an enormous strain on the shoulders. If you have a cable machine like Jeff shows it is probably better to use that.

[@malenotyalc]

The chest fly at my gym has catches that keep you from ever over extending your shoulders. You begin at an angle of attack that is never capable of flying back. In fact the cross over has more of a chance do this as there is no catch guard short of letting go to the handle which would be dangerous.

[@xtraOrdinaryAthletes]

We made some of these points about chest flys on our own channel (though admittedly not as good as Jeff lays it out here) and we got tons of flak from ppl who love and swear by dumbbell chest flys. Lol! Can't wait to just start referring ppl to this video.

[@hunterjordan8712]

xtraOrdinary Athletes don’t promote your channel on someone else’s channel

[@goobermcgoobs7589]

So tired of ppl plugging there channel with dumb ass comments to try to get you over there

[@MrBurakOzel]

And then you decided to muster some subs and views from another channel..go fuck yourself

[@TheHiddenShadowz]

He never told any of you to go to his channel and sub to him or to even watch his video. He just said that he did one like this as well and got negative feed back from fanboys of this exercise... all of you just interpreted it that way. But honestly he never self promoted. Stop being scumbags

[@FitFoodieNutritionist]

I read this comment just as a comment, and didnt even think of going to his channel...but reading all the replies, actually made me curious to go and check them out...so all the replies promoted his channel not him!!:D

[@MrDecember83]

I just did chest flys earlier today, I want to argue because I feel they work well for me. But I can't argue, every point you made is impossible to argue with. Thanks Jeff

[@nomnomyourmom]

8RM to true failure, start and end each rep at bottom, go ahead

[@MisterBinx]

Meh, I already do these on the ground. I'd never do this on a bench. I was gonna call him a dumb ass but he is right. If you are doing these on a bench you are vulnerable to injury. Do them on a ground to protect your shoulders.

[@TottoG]

Great advice, Jeff! These have been coined “Shoulder Snappers” for a reason.

[@TottoG]

Disagreement is a part of life.

[@malalalalalala]

@@TottoG it's not

[@TottoG]

@@malalalalalala OH! I guess you must be right, then! Thank you for sharing such an installment of your omniscient intellect!!!

[@mountaingoat6393]

Jeff - you rock! LOVE the science and the logic behind your instruction AND how willing you are to share so much of this reasoning throughout your content. TOTALLY makes sense and helps a novice connect to the process! THANK YOU.

[@SmallGuyonTop]

I hate cables and love dumbbells and the flyes are my favorite exercise of all time. But you are absolutely right, of course. :-).

[@Ve-suvius]

No you are right. Keep on doing them. You can f up your body with nearly any exercise. Deadlift -> low back, squat -> low back, knees, bench press -> shoulders . You name it and people get injured by an exercise. skullcrushers= elbow crushers. Side raise -> shoulder impingement etc.

[@brunoaraujo2128]

You should be teaching anatomy, man! I love your videos!

[@WineScrounger]

He is teaching anatomy really. Applied anatomy in the context of strength training/bodybuilding, which gives a good view of how it all fits together. It helps that he’s as lean as a carrot.

[@brunoaraujo2128]

@@WineScrounger Yes, sure! I meant in a school :) But yes, the anotomy brings his ideas to a whole new level!

[@WineScrounger]

Bruno Araújo I’m sure he could but he’d probably need to keep his shirt on, which limits things a bit. To see muscular processes any clearer than this, you’d need a scalpel.

[@brunoaraujo2128]

@@WineScrounger ahaha true!

[@Barnardrab]

So the alternative to a free weight exercise is a machine. The problem with that is I don't have room for that. The benefits of free weights is that I can have a few benches and a rack, which only takes up a regular room. I understand the issue with the overextension. Is it ok to do the flys on the floor instead, as you alluded to?

[@smoothpony05]

I did flys yesterday and shoulders hurt later on that night, the exact place you pointed at..I really dont do bench flys...and somehow I came across this video. Thanks much.

[@rmrmte3288]

great points. As a dumbbell fly guy, I will be swapping to the cable row as shown for more tension on the chest.

[@patrickm7754]

You could do chest flys your entire life and literally not see any change or little change at all in your chest . When I was a noob a couple big guys at the gym saw me doing them a lot and basically said I’d be much better focusing only on presses of any sort over flies and it was the best advice. Saved me a lot of wasted time.

[@oussama93]

Man, these pec flys are tearing my chest apart. I LOVE IT. *Sees video title* .....dammit.

[@oilykitchen2186]

You know what, you are great. No time waste, You always are to the point maaan. Great great job. I am one of your fan. Fan of your knowledge.

[@jonhulton]

Hes the best trainer on utube

[@c.j.watkins6259]

Don Ross, God bless his soul, taught me the same thing when I was a cretinous teenager learning his way thru the gym. Wasn't a fan of flyes because of potential for shoulder injury, and cables maintain tension even at the top of the motion while bells don't.

[@Naveed_KhanJee]

Jeff, regarding your Perfect Series, I'm still waiting for a Back & Leg workout video.

[@khalid9085]

I cringe every time I see the dumbbell fly, ended up with a dislocated shoulder a few months ago because of it.

[@omarkhamis523]

I think I have too dislocated shoulders, I'm not sure because I'm not doctor Can you tell me how it feels, for. Me I feel something is wrong and it's uncomfortable I told my parents about it but they don't want to take me. To doctor it's been like. This for a. Year

[@khalid9085]

Sounds like you’ve got unstable shoulders, usually feels like how you described after a dislocation and it does last a long time, but it’s not always caused from dislocation. When you’ve dislocated you have extreme pain and actually feel and hear the bone come out of the socket. If you didn’t experience this then could have been a minor partial dislocation. Either way it sounds like you outstretched or torn your labrum in your shoulders. I’d suggest get an MRI scan and see the doctor, most likely he will refer you to physiotherapy (highly advice you do this). If it’s an extreme tear then surgery is an option. When did you start feeling the symptoms?

[@omarkhamis523]

@@khalid9085 I don't know when because I've been training on and off like 3 month on, school comes then off and repeat I'm not sure how to describe it, sometimes I don't feel anything like right now no pain at all, when I look at the mirror I could feel their is a slight difference in their position its like the left shoulder is littil bit tilted in different angle and the other one is normal, I told my parents to spot the difference they couldnt tell. I remember after every shoulder work out I can feel the uncomfortable pain hits again, it feels like my shoulder is pushed littil bit down its not painfull it's just so uncomfortable feeling Also about those shoulder snaps, yes sometimes when I do shoulder workout movement without any dumbellls I swear I could hear my muscle moving on top of bone (maybe getting dislocated) and then comes back in same position I'm not sure if that's normal

[@omarkhamis523]

@@khalid9085 yes I think my bone or muscle comes out from its place

[@khalid9085]

man up Yeah man definitely see a doctor and have an MRI scan, they’ll be able to tell if there’s any structural damage. For the meantime avoid anything that puts too much stress on your shoulders until you get it looked at otherwise you could get badly injured. Trust me don’t ignore it and carry on with intense workouts, it’s what I did and had to have my arm in a sling, couldn’t sleep for a month and had to take 4 months off gym. Take it easy bro

[@jakethecake3657]

So that's what my dad was actually trying to do all those years 4:34

[@JdotCarver]

Damn. He never had the courage to tell you to get out of the way. :(

[@dianneshuford2861]

thank you for a useful demonstration, clear and knowledgeable explanation and the emphasis on safety. Great video!

[@bballaman92]

"...but Arnold!"

[@Lemon-squeezer]

Yeah Arnold tore his pec doing dumbell fly's

[@DevilDaRebel]

@@jjwp-ql5rv I think that was his point, it was to mock those who try discredit the fact that Fly's are bad for you by saying that someone else did it. hence why that statement is on quotations.

[@ReddevilsFanNGainz86]

@@jjwp-ql5rv moot ???????

[@Darlington-Properties]

Liked before I’ve even watched! Thanks for giving me the confidence to upload my workout videos to KZbin 👍🏻💪🏼

[@Darlington-Properties]

Anal Creampie thanks man, massively appreciate it!

[@stsk7]

@Anal Creampiethat username...

[@stsk7]

@Dildo Swaggins hahaha wow y'all are fucked up

[@spartanladkenny7870]

"I'm not trying to pick on it" Tears it apart! 😂

[@dougsholly9323]

First time here. Fantastic presentation, and excellent arguments against the bench fly. I am sold.

[@TheTreeOctopus]

I totally believe Jeff but flys feel great! One of my favourites! Also...I only do weights at home so have no machines...

[@rashedyadig]

So maybe try doing them on the ground

[@jonruggles7068]

Try the ground or a resistance band instead of a cable machine.

[@abcdfghijklmopqrswyz]

Or just can do flys with shorter range of motion reps. But I agree with you.

[@Re_mad7]

This is exactly why I give up every time I attempt to get in to training to build muscle. As if getting the time and motivation, equipments, gym membership, physical and mental exertion isn't enough you have to deal with this. Getting your form bang on down to an absolute tee. It's virtually impossible without having someone to show you.

[@skrimper]

Nah, you're just making excuses. Just start 😜

[@Re_mad7]

@@skrimper nope. No excuses. I've made all of the above commitments and sacrifices just to be told "I'm doing it wrong" all the time.

[@cool-ottomat1c]

@@Re_mad7 everyone started somewhere. Form over weight. I watched hours of form videos and I still have trouble after a year and a half of working out. I’m always learning something new. Also first 2 weeks of working out are the worse but it’s a breeze now

[@DuboisDel]

An amazing, enlightening demonstration of how it is not necessary to perform a traditional dumbbell fly in order to get the sought after pec stretch

[@MadSyriaa]

Jeff, please talk about torn labrum and how to adjust the exercises to suit damaged shoulder after tramuatic dislocation 😢 Thankfully I still don't have recurrent dislocation

[@MrCow579]

Thats why I do cables, works better

[@coryobrien8154]

No... its becus ur a bitch

[@neverforgettodofacepulls782]

@@coryobrien8154 I think someone needs a band-aid to treat that boo boo. Do you feel better now?

[@coryobrien8154]

@@neverforgettodofacepulls782 how old are you?

[@DouglasVishalBrook]

So glad to hear you hilight how it puts shoulder in vulnerable position - I always found this and was confused by this exercise as it hurt my shoulders.

[@bryanbonar]

I was doing bench flys earlier and thought about it just not feeling super useful at a lot of points. I am gonna make the switch to the cables, or at least on the floor if I can't get out to the gym.

[@kristijantemelkov3854]

Jeff please talk about training with scoliosis

[@TaherSyr1an]

Yes please, I've been told I am not to lift forever 😭

[@orange9742]

Taher AL-Torshan I have scoliosis I lift just fine? Who even told u that u can’t lift??

[@jovaniolivares9460]

I had really bad scoliosis as a teenager, always had back pain/back problems. When i started lifting and building up my back/core ALL my pain went away. Its as if I created an internal back brace, so to speak. I never went to a doctor for it, but Im sure if i had, they would have told me to never lift and that I should get surgery. Thats all doctors are good for, pills and surgery.

[@Sub7Fitness]

I’ve never done even a single rep, the risk is not worth the potential reward.

[@timman3643]

Just do Cable Flys

[@Sub7Fitness]

@@timman3643 That is what I and all my clients do!

[@timman3643]

@@Sub7Fitness Good

[@C63Bez]

@@timman3643 WHAT about fly machine

[@timman3643]

@@C63Bez I've never done that either

[@cpthrki5852]

And again, the problem is that there's no viable substitute without a machine. What can I do instead of flys with weights only?

[@ericwarner2832]

He says bands will also work, which would include tubing as well. I have done these with bands/tubing and it does what he says (increasing tension throughout the range of motion, including across the sternum).

[@enceladusdarkhart7048]

@@ericwarner2832 So how do you use these bands/Tubes? For me, I have no good place to secure them so the work out can be done properly so typically just end up skipping them and doing free weight flys.

[@jongriffin6004]

CptHrki If you find answer to this question please let me know, I have the same problem.

[@jamesgrant8536]

True man , i wasnt feeling nothing when the dumbells were above my chest used my resistence bands single arm arm feel as you did eoth the machine and you can feel it a lot more in your chest 👌

[@jackhaz1121]

7MILLION SUBS CONGRATULATIONS JEFF!!! For he’s a jolly good fellow For he’s a jolly good fellow For he’s a jolly good fellow Also he’s really ripped

[@kingyeayea397]

Loool wtf 😂

[@lilounce3696]

This is literally the only exercise I did, thank you

[@mustafaasghar4304]

Congrats on 7M

[@marcpjoyner]

I don’t really think the fly is going to destroy someone’s shoulders anymore than other lifts. However, it is true the where the fly is toughest is where the pec is at it’s least capacity. That is true, and it’s why I barely use flies anymore. It’s an accessory lift, and just a curve to throw at the pec now and again to mix it up