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[@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja]

Fun fact, if Tannu Tuva had an army reformer from the start, they'd be able to get ideoligical loyalty whole 21 days faster, meaning that Tannu Tuva would get 1500 more manpower.

[@penzorphallos3199]

Mashallah brother, I've managed to take Xinjiang and ma clique with the buff, but I'm stuff grinding Chyna

[@sharif2307]

Tannu what

[@sebastianertel696]

@@sharif2307 refering to annaxation of Tannu tuva?

[@sharif2307]

@@sebastianertel696 yea

[@CommanderTavos99]

Tannu what?

[@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja]

The changes were a massive buff to Tannu Tuva, because with this change you could get ideological loyalty (when it was 50xp) in 29th of July, instead of it taking until 29th of September. Netting you a cool 3500 manpower. And when the cost went down from 50xp to 35xp, it would only take until 1st of July, netting you extra 3000 manpower. Also aplies to Paraguyay, but like who plays that nation?

[@kacper0563]

Who plays Tannu tuva 🗿

[@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja]

@@kacper0563 Me and there is an achievement that you need to play Tannu Tuva for. Tannu Tuva is legit the most fun nation to play in the whole game.

[@kacper0563]

@@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja you literally start with nothing bro there is no fun in that 🤣

[@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja]

@@kacper0563 "you start with nothing" Yeah, that's why it is so fun. You have a plank slate to do what ever you want. Build up and making a minor into a major is the only real fun thing to do in the game anymore.

[@gabrieldossantos1116]

​@@kacper0563 That's exactly the point. You have to build everything from scratch. And plus, Tannu Tuva has a unique achievement that requires defeating the Soviet Union which means of course hundreds of min maxers love playing it to feel like they're gods in this game lmao

[@512TheWolf512]

you can't exactly "run out of fuel" because there's a base gain of 48 fuel\day independent of your actual resources. so it makes sense to get some xp with "no fuel", the real question is to the amount of xp gained

[@tomirk4404]

Funnily enough, as the UK, navy XP is east to grind: if I remember correctly, just exercising the home fleet (large one in scape flow) alone gives I think 0.2 per day

[@sgcandrewkard]

Should be setup that your advisors only give you army exp while you are training units. They modify the amount of exp gained from exercises and battles not just a passive amount from them existing. So they would say like "increase exp gains from exercising and battles by 50%" instead of just giving you a flat amount. Then it actually becomes a choice between spending equipment in training vs. just getting a bunch passively.

[@Bigzthegreat]

poland has 2 extra boosts to army xp.. So OP!!!

[@tagus100]

What are they?

[@ew264]

@@tagus100Id assume hes referring to the invasions of germany and ussr

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

As UK, I drill the army until I get 35 experience, take relief of command, then get reduced cost genius head of army. After that I design a decent light tank for the start of the war, then make small adjustments to infantry (support AA) and motorized templates (usually light armour battalions). Next comes theatre training and logistical focus (from the army corps), which are better bang for buck than doctrines. Finally, I get discounted army theorist (Monty) and work my way through the doctrines. I would argue that perfect templates are not worth it until much later. As a democratic country, it's not worth spending the IC to have the tanks and support equipment to fill those fancy divisions. Make small adjustments to templates as equipment becomes available.

[@rainbowappleslice]

To solve the supply issues in Africa you could also just build more ports and supply hubs

[@hammotimee]

The army genius would give you 146 army XP per year if you got them, it's always my go to if it's available! Plus the bonus they give is higher, although it takes you a little longer to save up for it

[@philswift4334]

Hey FeedBack, you going to go to the SawCon- this year in Dallas? Apparently a bunch of big KZbinrs are going to be there and I’m even thinking about going myself.

[@brendontruong7127]

I had 40 width dividisions while fighting the Soviets as Germany. The atrition was so bad and my man power droped to zero. So I had to make the divisions slightly smaller to have more manpower for reinforcing. This then had an effect of all my active divisions performing better. I saved manpower and I reduced the supply demand. The ideal template is an ever evolving template always ready to deal with the problems that come.

[@kindasimpson9704]

Actually you can gain xp through lend lease, basically as long as your equipment are going through combat, no matter it’s your army or another army is using your equipment, you gain experience, works both air and army experience. So if you are sure your equipment going to be used, for example, China gonna use any gun and artillery you send them, then just send them everything you have, I mean most of the time you don’t actually see your tier I guns and artillery in your own combat, you always use 1939 equipment when the war gets serious in 1941.

[@scavenger6268]

I'm an evil bastard when i play Nepal. i give the japanese my advisors but i give the chinese my guns to fight them with.

[@kindasimpson9704]

@@scavenger6268 Haha, I used to put all mils on artillery and send them to both Germany and Soviet Union when I defeated Japan as China, they both deal huge soft attack to each other, both ran out of manpower by 1945, it's practically WWI on steriods.

[@scavenger6268]

@@kindasimpson9704 Thats actually brilliant, but make the allies go to. XD I used to send Papa Stalin my entire weapon 4 production to make him a solid wall against the germans. Or alternatively send basic medium tanks with 120% reliability to milk out exp from whatever side im fighting with. It forces them to make medium divisions that lose disturbingly few equipment so i just keep gaining free exp as a small nation.

[@ZiobroV]

You are right about how exp is related to real life. It is also funny how Germany is considered the best prepared nation to go to war and yet Polish campaign is viewed as complete and utter failure by the OKH to a point where they retrain everyone over winter, mostly focusing on NCOs, squad tactics as well as high level corps manouvers, both aspects being particularly uneffective.

[@marthvader14]

What?

[@THEBARTMANOPS]

Context?

[@-John-Doe-]

2:19 is the context. I disagree with XP only coming from training. Feedback _is_ an advisor - he gives people advise on HoI4. Everyone hires/has advisors/consultants/etc professionally. Your country should have these people.

[@gamincaimin9954]

Pretty Sure France can also send volunteers to Spain through Focuses and decisions

[@Trakerzodina]

I speak English very badly, but I like watching your auto-translated videos, they are useful, there are no youtubers in Russia who explained hoi4 mechanics as well, thanks for the videos

[@clayd4488]

The changes have made China a lot easier to play as, so much faster getting rid of those massive debuffs

[@-John-Doe-]

2:19 You’re a HOI4 advisor. Experienced people advise you so you don’t have to make those mistakes.

[@-John-Doe-]

@@ekothesilent9456 I would say it’s more like: During the Meiji period in Japan (1868-1912), the government sought foreign expertise to assist in modernizing various aspects of the country. Among these advisors were Prussian experts, known as oyatoi gaikokujin _(お雇い外国人),_ who made significant contributions. Here’s a glimpse of their impact: *Jakob Meckel:* * A Prussian general, Meckel was invited to Japan as a professor at the Army Staff College and an advisor to the Imperial Japanese Army General Staff. * He worked closely with influential figures like General Katsura Tarō, General Yamagata Aritomo, and army strategist General Kawakami Soroku. * Meckel’s recommendations included reorganizing the command structure into divisions and regiments, enhancing logistics and transportation, and revising the conscription system. * He introduced Clausewitz’s military theories and the Prussian concept of war games (Kriegspiel), refining Japanese tactics and strategy. * His influence helped replace French advisors’ ideas with his own philosophies, emphasizing loyalty to the Emperor. *Other Prussian advisors:* _Leopold Mueller, Julius Scriba, and Erwin Bälz contributed to medicine._ _K. F. Hermann Roesler and Albert Mosse influenced legal matters._ _K. W. Jacob Meckel (mentioned earlier) played a crucial role in military affairs._ These Prussian advisors played a pivotal role in shaping Japan’s modernization journey, leaving a lasting impact on its military, administrative, and cultural development. ______ As opposed to having no general staff and figuring out how to run a military through trial and error.

[@-John-Doe-]

@@ekothesilent9456 or during the Meiji period, the Japanese navy also sought foreign expertise to modernize and strengthen its capabilities. Here are some notable foreign advisors who contributed to the development of the Imperial Japanese Navy: *François Léonce Verny:* A French naval engineer, Verny played a crucial role in constructing Japan’s first modern naval dockyard at Yokosuka. He supervised the construction of warships, including the ironclad Kōtetsu (also known as the CSS Stonewall), which was a significant achievement for Japan’s naval forces. Verny’s expertise in shipbuilding and naval infrastructure greatly influenced the growth of the Japanese navy. *Henry Walton Grinnell:* An American naval officer, Grinnell served as an advisor to the Japanese navy. He contributed to the establishment of the Imperial Japanese Naval Academy in Tsukiji, Tokyo. Grinnell’s focus was on training naval officers and improving naval education. *William Pennock:* An American naval engineer, Pennock assisted in the construction of naval vessels. He worked on the design and building of several ships, including the Kanrin Maru, Japan’s first steam-powered warship. *George Henry Adams:* An English naval officer, Adams served as an instructor at the Imperial Japanese Naval Academy. His expertise in naval tactics and training contributed to the professionalization of the Japanese navy. These foreign advisors played a vital role in shaping the modernization and effectiveness of the Imperial Japanese Navy during the Meiji era.

[@Zerum69]

The way I understand it, Political Power is your ability to influence the civilians in your Nation (and the leaders of other Nations), while Command Power is your ability to influence your Armed Forces You need Command Power to convince a General that Force Attacking, risking many lives and equipment, is a good idea You need Political Power to convince Civilians to sell off their living space so you can build another Factory in your already extremely industrialized province Which explains why the best military leaders require little amounts of Command Power since the Military already respects them, but Civilians usually feel threatened by the Armed Forces so the stronger Army Leader you pick the more you need to convince your people that you're not totally oppressive (which is a little ironic for the openly oppressive totalitarian regimes like the Germans and Soviets) Edit: There's also the rare "Old Guard" which requires no command power and very little political power, they way i see it is that they're the retired or close to being retired army leaders that are both extremely respected by the army since they been a part of it for decades, and also respected by the people since they had the time to prove they're a neither corrupt nor a treat to civilian lives, of course since they're Old they won't have the genius bonuses buy they can still compete with specialists and experts

[@jayhenry2197]

How does upgrading designs fit into this allocation? You're going to need xp for tanks, aircraft designs, and maybe even a ship or two. Is that before or after doctrines? Or is it just always happening in the background of this prioritization?

[@homero_con_lechuguilla]

OP XP BRO

[@stentbeefclench]

Good strategy for anyone who can send volunteers to spain send air volunteers and get independent air force -75% cost for air advisors, get your cheif of airforce (reformer if you can) then I'd honestly get the air doctrine advisor and start filling out your tree.

[@charleslynch340]

Video on unit experience when? Sometimes Ill have a few veteran units with hospitals to reduce experience loss and yet they sometime randomly lose like an entire level of experience down to seasoned or something for seemingly no reason

[@TalonAshlar]

You can actually use the early army xp to go down the first 2 levels of trench warfare chose the officer corps trait for brilliant strategists and give your all our armies a 12.5% buff to offense or defense

[@thiccupcake]

elaborate

[@TalonAshlar]

@@thiccupcake Ok so if your one division training or even if you go for army advisor early you will generate enough army xp that you can take the trench warfare doctrine down to the second level and then pump out a bunch of cheap generals and admirals with all of the command power you generate, then change doctrines. You can also do this with navy to get leader with the sea wolf trade by going down the first level of commerce interdiction. This strategy is most useful when playing minor nations.

[@endsiegendsieg8971]

1 div training still stays on top

[@scubandym1941]

Dave what did you do on your break? Did you go to a Buddhist monastery and return to show us the 8 fold path? I’m loving all of the content!

[@Skiddla]

this guy is fun to watch

[@teph1256]

the xp trickle is the submarines making bed sheets sails

[@penzorphallos3199]

Something i had in mind. Currently all template changes (besides mixing inf, tanks or mechs) cost 5 XP. Maybe initially inf still cost 5xp, arty and cav 10, motor or mech 15 or 20 and tanks 20 or 25. Hear me out, all armies of the world were based off ww1 infantry armies, with some outliers or experimental mixed brigades. Most nations had defunded their armies too. Also, it would force nations into historical doctrines reducing template costs, most have an armor or mech tech at some point already. Bothers me being incentivized to minimax with 100 year old hindsight, skipping any historic immersion to build 40w tank divs in 1938 as mass assault doctrine mexico... Ye would make the game hard, but that's probably a good thing.

[@scavenger6268]

My question is super paraguay when? Become the sugar lord...

[@chrisk5649]

What about send an attache to Japan or china for the xp?

[@schellwalabyen4656]

Um, actually France can get involved in the Spanish civil war via their intervention decisions. So it’s only USA and uk that can’t get yo at the start of the game.

[@memazov6601]

One division trick still works though

[@therealgaben5527]

12:50 you might still get XP due to oil your producing so since the uk has oil rights jn like iraq and Mexico your navy is using up all of that oil before it goes into your stockpile

[@bankaltthree9139]

So since you used UK as example, from start UK gains 1.25 PP a day, to get 100 would take 80 days or 160 days to get 200 in the first year so jan 1937 the 100 PP would give 85.5(109.5 for full year) and 200 PP would give 83.6 (146 for full year) If you get Relief of command the +25% exp bonus asap its 62.53 first year (135 for full year), 58.75 first year (182.5 for full year) so if you went all in on ROC you would have in jan 1938 197.53 exp or 241.25 and in 1939 would be 332.53 and 423.75 So really its not a huge buff but could easily nab an extra two doctrines by the time you went to war in late 1939, that would have to be balanced against the lost gains in what you could have spent that 100PP on, and might not be worth it for all nations. But that extra .10 exp a day adds up quickly.

[@fredericcote1577]

Are you dismissing the army exercices all togheter or just if its to grind xp?

[@thevettegetsitwett]

How do you send air volunteers? It’s never an option in my games I have most the DLCs on but only get army volunteers.

[@jackfrost5808]

Personally dave I side with division speed for the UK. I have the time to and industry to get high level tech and weapons which a high speed would benefit more in my opinion. Not to mention how unit speed effects terrain and reinforce rate etc. More xp, better chief in my opinion

[@dajointcf4803]

i sent volunteers to spain when i was playing as germany but its not giving me any army exp

[@user-wx1iv1fw3d]

很有趣的現象，你在演習中流血流汗的實際操作，不如一個人在辦公室裡玩軍旗 獲得的經驗值多

[@CARL_093]

Meta xp

[@ricardoblikman2676]

No the xp system does make sense! level 1-3 is training to make your troops strong. if you dont train them they loose people and not get really better unless they fight oop with little losses. level 4-6 is where they get experienced and veterans and have the base experience to optimize combat strategies and learn from fighting.

[@Cazline]

democractic countries should consider 1 div training to 35 army xp and then taking relief of command before taking the army advisor, since it makes it cost 50% less

[@rainbowappleslice]

I assumed people just got the chief of army as the first non-political advisor. It makes sense to do it first

[@bradfleegle4046]

Hello, I love your videos. I watch every one. Corps is pronounced "Core." No 's.' I guess it's a French word?

[@antosqa7343]

When I'm playing on historical democratic nation I like to delete whole army and do the 1 division training trick. Yes, it is nerfed, but is still working fine. And combine it with 1st purchase chief of army to fill out that division you'll get so much xp it is incredible. As a France if you'll go for the land doctrine reduce cost + forts in army reform branch you could legit almost maxed out doctrines. Usually I will get 7/9 doctrines by the beginning of WW2, for UK a bit less because they don't have doctrine reduce focuses afaik, and for USA I will max out a whole tree by 1939

[@Sinvare]

Troops training = training the tactics you already have. Officers hired = war games on new tactics. Officers can also set up the framework of divisions which later get filled in with manpower. The US did this heavily in the lead up to WW1/WW2 but many countries in peace time do it.

[@aleksandrmikhail3803]

what grind my gears in this whole system is that YOU DONT HAVE ANY AIR COMMANDER MECHANIC, you get general and admiral that you can grind anytime to get any skill up to genius level, meanwhile you CANNOT DO THAT TO AIR COMMANDER! because of this min maxing air exp gain as japan SUCKS! because all of the chief of airforce are all specialist! and the only way to grind air exp is with their relatively small industry compared to other Major and put lots of those factory to produce ground attack plane during conquest of china.

[@-JA-]

👍

[@Toothicus]

In the first year, hiring the Genius 100 days later than the Expert will have net 3xp loss, but by year two the Genius will give you 33xp more, by year 3 end, you are approx 70xp behind. In a vacuum, in a democratic nation, you may think this is worth the 100day loss, 100pp loss, probably worth less in brown ideology or red ideology nations to go for the Genius as a you have more use for the 100pp.

[@arik5795]

In fackt I do like Candy 😂👍

[@nxibba]

you could also do 1 div training

[@germanletskotz]

1 Div Training doesnt work anymore

[@nxibba]

@@germanletskotz why not? it works fine for me

[@germanletskotz]

@@nxibba it got nerfed a lot, u get a lot less xp

[@nxibba]

if you dont have any other division deployed, nor in training, you will get the normal amount of xp like before

[@germanletskotz]

@@nxibba then you dont have the current Hoi4 Version lol, that worked like 6 months ago

[@skrillicon]

I am 12 minutes in and he has not mentioned 1 div train. please tell he will mention it edit: he did not mention it

[@_r4mp4ge_bruder_76]

How can people use so often the word meta and be so off-meta????

[@laurie1183]

Duh

[@TMG-Germany]

Chief of Navy for XP is not worth it. Just exercise your navy, it is pretty cheap and you get tons of XP in a short amount of time.

[@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja]

But what if you don't have a navy to exercise?

[@therealgaben5527]

It also gives some navy buffs so I would probably do it before war

[@pedrosaur2549]

You need to learn how one div training works. Training divs is absolutely worth it for gaining a lot of XP.

[@MrMichaelBCurtis]

you stated that army xp should be gained from combat, well yes, BUT, I think some should be gained from research too, you learn a lot from making new equipment, and that new equipment can influence your doctrines, so maybe when you are researching air, you should also get air xp and army you should get army xp. thoughts? When I play USA, I choose Army first then Air then go for economy, the economy expert doesn't do much when your economy sucks !