StormGate's 3rd Faction -- The Celestials!

[@aleksaurus2722]

Fool! You have just ensured the doom of this world. You cannot even begin to imagine what you’ve set in motion this day. Go to the Temple of Light, in the eastern city of Kurast. There, you will find the gate to Hell opened before you. You must find the courage to step through that gate, Marius. Take the stone you hold to the Hellforge, where it will be destroyed. Now run! Take the stone and run!

[@maxsta4088]

This is diablo 2 lol

[@Gris00]

​@@maxsta4088The BEST Diablo

[@Lukexxxxxx]

"The Artosis Prism"

[@TomThompson]

I think one of the most interesting things is this race doesn't have a supply depot. Notice it says 0/300 right at the start. Crazy. I think there is some energy maintenance that replace the effort of making depots/pylons/overlords or whatever equivalent this game has for the other two races.

[@nankam]

Yeah they basically have the power mechanic from command & conquer instead of supply/food from starcraft and warcraft, while still having the 300 cap.

[@finrodfel06]

And power banks cost 10 supply.

[@madumlao]

what would be really cool is if powered off buildings were "harder to detect" like not exactly stealth mode, but powered on buildings have some noise / light so you can tell a bit from the distance that they're there. ie in starcraft you can hear pylons being built or nyduses even if you cant see them; what if you can "hear" a busy proxied structure unless it's powered off.

[@GeneralsGentlemen]

There have been several prominant RTS that have units which deal more damage the closer they are. Off the top of my head, almost everything in Company of Heroes 1/2/3 (technically accuracy), Peacekeepers in Red Alert 3, Shotgun scouts and suppression weapons in Dawn of War 2. There's probably way more. Artosis has very strong opinions about RTS but I get the feeling he has only really played Blizzard RTS and Age of Empires.

[@IllTakeThisName]

For sure. He doesnt even seem familiar with warcraft 3 mechanics which is wild.

[@Xadar24]

I will withhold my judgement on this game until they have all the final models and units in, but one thing I can say is that they showed it way too early.

[@nholanl1952]

I agree. In theory it sounds great to bring in feedback early. In practice you don‘t have the time to incorporate all the feedback and most importantly: mobs of people are stupid. There is nothing to gain from a mob but superficial comments and at worst negative press.

[@f1shze4lot]

If they don't plan to rethink the visuals from the scratch they can't save this game from bombing. They need to have a talk with art director/concept artists. But these are full 3d models and not place holders so I don't think it's gonna happen (because it's gonna be a huge pain in the ass)

[@adamhenrie3879]

Couldn’t agree more

[@mr.leanflakes-highlights1556]

@@f1shze4lot Game will be great dont worry, go play BW now old man

[@nankam]

​@@f1shze4lot I think the simple, cartoony maps influence the look some people aren't liking a lot more than the units. They should get a map editor in the hands of the community asap to see if people can make maps with different lighting, tile sets, and more detail that people might like better.

[@nankam]

SC1 Terran units with abilities (9): Bio: marine (stim), firebat (stim), medic (heal, optical flare, restoration), ghost (cloak, lockdown, nukes) Mech: vulture (spider mines), siege tank (siege mode) Air: wraith (cloak), science vessel (emp, irradiate, d matrix), battlecruiser (yamato) SC1 Terran units without abilities (3): Bio: Mech: goliath Air: dropship, valkyrie I've never seen anyone rant about why almost every Terran unit has an ability, and yet it seems to be non-stop with stormgate. I think the key is giving units good abilities that are meaningful choices and situational trade-offs that add to gameplay.

[@zlac]

I think it's more like stim, siege, cloak and spider mines are almost not "actual abilities", it's more like creative mechanics or something. Stim you mostly just press once on start of the battle. Vultures only get 3 mines and they're mostly only placed when you're not in battle. Yamato is slow and very expensive so you're left with ghost, vessel and situationally medic. Protos as well, just HT, DA and Arbiter. Zerg just Defiler and Queen which is almost never used, morph to guardian and lurker doesn't count. Devourer spores? Maybe? SC2 is already to much imho, zealot charge, stalker blink, adept... I mean, can't a guy just attack move and do some basic micro? I would argue that charge makes zealots even less microable! I like when they do abilities that you CAN use - but don't have to (and they don't make the unit totally useless if you don't use those abilities).

[@denarte6986]

I’d consider valk splash to be its passive ability

[@moonasha]

the real reason is people want to hate this game and see it fail because they think it's a "ripoff" with "bad" art. They'll just invent any reason to hate on it.

[@perfectman3077]

All of these abilities are stupid gimmicks. Nobody is going to bother to remember what these dumb units do because it's so convoluted. Reminds me of Diablo 4. Garbage. Stim, mines, and siege mode are all incredibly iconic and easy to understand mechanics, in comparison.

[@nightmareTomek]

@@perfectman3077 Agree. They just get weirder. Gotta divide these abilites into categories of whether you have to explain them or not.

[@cameronielsen]

Makes the game more intriguing to me now. Just needs a speed buff and art direction overhaul for 80% of units

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

oh sweet child, 2 other RTS's coming out and one looks like a monetization bait and the others just a mess, good luck finding another RTS because I don't think their marketing to you anymore.

[@Nuurix]

@@JerryS-zb2lf or you talk for yourself and let others decide what they enjoy and what not, huh?

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

@@Nuurix said the guy defending someone demanding the entire game gets over hauled, yeah why not "talk for yourself and let others decide what they enjoy and what not, huh?"

[@Nuurix]

@@JerryS-zb2lf well im not trying to take away your opinion, you are entitled to that and if you wish to never play stormgate, thats on you! The difference is, I am defending the expression of opinion from OP and in general, while you are trying to take away the opinion of his by patronizing him ("oh sweet child" "good luck finding"). Not tolerating intolerance is not the same as being intolerant in the first place.

[@Rastloese]

The sounds as well for the celestials needs an overhaul.

[@G3rain1]

Oh, okay, this is the cheese race. Got it.

[@chibinya]

Those flying buildings that can produce seem to have super high cheese potential! It will be hard to balance this race since they seem to rely on crazy spells and gimmicks

[@Oversear96]

@@chibinyaProtoss all over again

[@NoUseForAName06]

This game literally feels like they threw all unit abilities and units from SC and WC into a giant hat and just started pulling out stuff to create new units. "ok, so we got a protoss observer with huntress ability from WC3 and Oracle revelation, fancy that."

[@JN-hs5xl]

Screw the abilities, the entire interface is copied too. The top bar with abilities is such an obvious copy of SC2 LoV/coop ability bar. The entire supply system and resources. Even the map is basically Twisted Meadows from Wc3

[@marcinluter1195]

@@JN-hs5xl bro those people designed sc2. they made also wc3, its a twist yes. twist without new-gaming era blshits

[@TomThompson]

@@marcinluter1195 Bro, no, those guys didn't design SC2. A lot of them worked at Blizzard, and on the SC2 team at the end, but the people that designed the game are not at Frost Giant. Sigity, Pardo, Metzen, Kim, etc are the ones behind Wings of Liberty. The Frost Giant guys are skilled and have a lot of great work in the past, but lets please give credit where it is due.

[@supersquare04]

@@JN-hs5xl are you a professional idiot or part time? Adding in a top bar with abilities isn't a copy from LOTV its a fucking top bar. Thats like saying they copied the minimap.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

" I need completely new takes on RTS, despite the fact that their are so many that any ability is likely a copy" SC2 itself has abilities you could claim were from C&C first, and Im even more shocked how its the same two comments "looks bad" "stole mechanics" if this is all it takes for you to be turned away then maybe the game was never for you.

[@lilyofdesire]

holy shit his chat is an absolute mess

[@Olagfigh]

Imo it's the most unique faction in this game. I see here most new and fresh ideas. So the Stormgate has three factions: Terran, Zerg/Protoss mix and a new one. I wish there were three new factions but at least this one is something new.

[@paxconsciente3352]

yea this game is honestly starting to shape up, i'm excited to play casual team games with friends and maybe try the 1v1 mode if they can balance everything correctly

[@benme2253]

Why don't infernal units eating corpses and getting stronger by doing that?

[@benme2253]

Why don't infernal units eating corpses and getting stronger by doing that?

[@saitoren4061]

The third faction is actually I'll imported from Command and Conquer.

[@unidentifiedflavourfulobject]

Nothing about this faction is unique, they're just ripping off different games

[@Bleak13]

I like the theme of this new race

[@cavemantero]

The idea is great...the execution is terrible

[@L3monsta]

​@@cavemanteroeven the idea wasn't that great tbh.

[@mikael7084]

what "theme"?

[@Lightwait321]

This entire game is a placeholder

[@allanshpeley4284]

😆

[@oDrashiao]

Well that is literally how game development works

[@mcblanc900]

@@oDrashiao Not really, look at current Battle Aces beta. It's actually done, everything is 100% playable and there is 0 placeholders. This is how beta should look like. And Stormgate looks for now just bad, there is a lot to do, they should public this later. Now Battle Aces > Stormgate in every single aspect, so this is their mistake.

[@RandomDude1223]

The best part of the video is the chat. It had me laughing in tears.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

they just kept saying "game bad" over and over, why's that funny?

[@SlamDancinMoogle]

Honestly not sure why I clicked on this video because I don't give even half of a rat's ass about this game, but I am so glad I did, because chat is just the best thing about this video. Literally did not pay attention to anything the dorkus in the video was saying.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

@@SlamDancinMoogle you don't care about the game but specifically love the chat that does nothing but shit on it? I detect a liar.

[@SlamDancinMoogle]

@@JerryS-zb2lf wait what? Why would you think I'm lying? That chat was hilarious, and this game looks like refried butt on brioche. Even the mods were dunking on this garbage. You need to stop huffing that copium if you're gonna sit here and try to tell me that I'm lying about disliking something. That is not a good look, fam 😂

[@jiado6893]

1:07 I love the sounds of the Morph Core. Also, that combination of words sounds so cool.

[@mnadeau1992]

very nice explanation of a cool concept race

[@chloesmith4065]

lol i cant believe they added the mothership core.

[@nholanl1952]

With the mothership core protoss at least still had a shot at winning major tournaments.

[@awagnow]

how is it that unbelievable considering 80% of the other units are from sc

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

@@awagnow which ones?

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

That should tell you that this game is doomed on release.

[@kylemadison1296]

My hatred for Stormgate is becoming borderline uncontrollable.

[@catra195]

Right there with you, Its like Artosis came out and said theres 68 genders and people are actually praising him for it

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@@catra195 Grow up.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Eh, I don't have hatred for it myself, just aggressive indifference, it's the most meh thing i've seen in RTS in a while. :/

[@catra195]

@@KaiserMattTygore927 growing up is what? Accepting trends and popular opinion over objective reality? Wym grow up

[@paxconsciente3352]

naw have u seen macro games in this? it's actually sick. besides plenty of other great games coming out soon you can play instead. RTS are dead regardless of whether ppl wanna believe it or not

[@PR_1775]

Cool theme for this race. Hopefully the art is iterated on quite a bit. I get that they're a small studio but the visuals do need work.

[@PR_1775]

I made the comment before I got to the part where Artosis said that he plays on lower settings. I still think the visuals need a lot of work but it's also not fair to judge the game on low settings. That might be a good disclaimer for the beginning of the video though haha.

[@allanshpeley4284]

They raised and burned through nearly $40M. That's not exactly a small studio.

[@PR_1775]

@@allanshpeley4284 Honestly I don't know their size so you have a good point. And even if they are small in number, their Blizzard ancestry has garnered them more cash than the vast majority of small studios out there.

[@wcjerky]

Love seeing some concepts from _Total Annihilation_ like building power toggles make their way in here.

[@Neloish]

Angels was my top pick for a third race. This should be fun.

[@LV426Survivor]

My guess was "if stormgate devs are boring, itll be robots, if not, it will be angels". Turns out a bit of both.

[@nankam]

I thought it would be angels since we had demons and humans already, but I was wondering whether it would be tech angels or fantasy angels and it turns out tech.

[@soulfilcher1335]

The prism makes Protoss orb units look like original and distinct designs. Made in Blender in less than 2 minutes.

[@skyvipers]

This game screams: "Everything new is like something old"

[@Disconnected66]

@bigmikeobama5314 do you think pylons are the first rts example of a power building? Oh boy... You guys really shouldn't speak on this topic if you don't even know THAT about rts games lmao.... there's really not a lot of things you can point to in sc2 that are unique to sc2 in anything other than implementation. The concepts are all VERY derivative. It's one of the genres that does that the most, similar to like mmos and shit. It's not even remotely an insult to the game and it's uneducated when you don't even know that what you're comparing it to "using" isn't even what created it originally lmao this game might be pretty bad especially in modern gaming standards, we'll see. But let's stick to actual real reasons as to why, instead of playing 1 other game in our lives and using that to blindly template expectations lmaooooo

[@Igor369]

Modern game devs do not like taking risks, sad but true.

[@smelogsplayground]

@@Igor369 well bigger studios and those with a lot of external investment aren't. Same indies like us can take more risk and be more innovative. :)

[@einerheit5871]

@@Disconnected66 calling someone uneducated just because they said a cold hard fact sounds very uneducated.

[@einerheit5871]

@@Disconnected66 first of all, you are depriving people's attention from the actual point of contention, to a logical abyss that leads into nothing but meaningless debates or arguements that points nothing out. the game being a ripoff copycat is a hard fact, a homage that takes part in the great scheme of a specific genre is VERY different from these kinds of lazy ripoff money-lusting game that is trying to trick people into non-excistential flower gardens so they can suck on people's interests. my point is you are justifiying and glorifying, manipulating this ripoff as a "glorious homage" but whether you try these kinds of agitation or whatsoever INTUITION is a factor that helps the human mind have actual, correct insight of the things they encounter. the one who tries to TRICK others or spead his beliefs over others would call this INTUITION uneducated, because they are too low of an intellect to figure out that INTUITION actually exists, and something people feel from their deep-down-guts are very closely related to real-life facts that make up this world WITH or WITHOUT actual logic. logic is not really necessary, its just an expression of sort. it can be a complicated sort that only exists in human mind. RATHER, an INTUITION is the most necessary component when it comes down to managing and realizing COLD, HARD, FACTS OF THIS GAME BEING A SHIT TON OF LAZY COPYCAT IDEAS THAT RIP MONEY FROM DUMB, OR SELF-MANIPULATIVE CUSTOMERS like YOU. the snobbism these days were really irritating me, the intellectual vanity is insane. my god.

[@gabrielribeiro222]

I think this is my favorite race out of the 3 so far. Lets see what the other tier 3 units will be like

[@Deathsinger99]

Holy shit the chat is so toxic and childish lmao

[@profanegaming2829]

Shut up nerd

[@machinatingminotaur6285]

I think if it didn't rake in a TON of money from the awful TTS spam, subs, etc artosis would've dramatically changed the direction of chat by clamping down on nonsense and having heavier moderation. but dude has a wife and a lot of kids, getting to play the games he loves the most. chat being a cesspit is the tradeoff, and I can't blame him one bit. doesn't mean I ever watch live though

[@Fredchuckdave]

Kind of shocked he actually left the chat in, funny but presumably the editor's fault (or the editor is part of the deep SC state)

[@catra195]

I agree, but so are you

[@Deathsinger99]

@@catra195 Lol what

[@spacewindu3824]

I'm going to make my own gate game one day...

[@karpai5427]

Gateway game? I am exalted to see it.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

@bigmikeobama5314 what the fuck? Please explain when the last relase of stormgate was, I'll wait werid ass.

[@AfroKona]

you should probably max the graphics while doing showcases like this

[@firebal6129]

Lowkey I think it may have been a cover up. The way he phrased it, it was as if it was his setting that made the model bright blue and unfinished, which just ain’t true

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

"pre alpha ugly, me no likely" Im so glad this is aimed at DOTA fans more than hardcore rts fans you people are becoming insufferable in one comment section, literally thats all it took to view you as brainless "I dislike pre alpha visuals too" shit. I actually think MOBA players are less toxic than RTS players now, thanks.

[@IllTakeThisName]

@@JerryS-zb2lf The cope of a guy defending a game that raised 2.4 million dollars. It's not that people think the art style is ugly (which it is) it's that the models are unreadable from a glance. Also claiming it's for Dota fans when the entire game was supposedly the resurrection of the "hardcore rts" genre is amazing. You're simultaneously the group you are mocking with that statement.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

@@IllTakeThisName its all alpha, so literally everything you've said is moot. Sure, resurrected WITHOUT YOU GUYS, and now I can see why they went from more broad appeal.

[@allanshpeley4284]

@@IllTakeThisName Sorry to tell you man, they raised $35M from investors then another roughly $5M from fans. It's far worse than you think

[@Doubleptrem]

HEAVEN VS HELL, ON EARTH. How original

[@LV426Survivor]

Every single good story is archetypal in nature. Of all the gripes, this is the dumbest.

[@inmundo6927]

@bigmikeobama5314 I dont think theres any heaven in Doom.. only hell vs earth (and mars)

[@denarte6986]

@@inmundo6927maykrs actually look a lot like celestials. Technological angels is a good summary

[@inmundo6927]

@@denarte6986 Maykrs.. backstory of Doom (2016) I thought we were talking about DOOM (1993), not just whatever doom mod, sequel, etc. anyway

[@tomaspineiro9767]

StormGate its like a little bit of everything. Mechanics from W3 and SC´s, art from Valorant and HoT, history from a futuristic Diablo...

[@DigitalReverie]

Snoregate will be such a monumental flop, oh my god

[@speakertrees]

No way game looks great.

[@Deathsinger99]

What lmao

[@Blademaster1989]

@@speakertrees copium

[@speakertrees]

@Blademaster1989 Can't you see it? Good game before you but you Killin it. You move like Fentynal

[@LV426Survivor]

I mean its F2P so.. it'll probably do well 😂

[@davidorawe3931]

IDK if anyone has played the strategy game, Earth 2150, but the Celestials remind me of the Lunar Corporation faction from that game which was an incredibly unique faction in RTS games (it had no builder unit).

[@DxKShifty]

Being so close to release, this is absolutely embarrassing. I wish they just waited another year and released a finished product. Haven’t been this disappointed for a game in a long long time

[@pknepps]

They are waiting a few more years before release

[@xSintex]

Erm... they're releasing into early access, not an actual release.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

this isn't finished, its coming out in beta.. thats not a full release, is the issue that modern gamers have brainrot due to prerelases and have no clue when a finished product is just that?

[@XFoX90]

They need your eSports money, because this game is 100% eSports ready!

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

@@XFoX90 alpha game esports ready, yikes you folks are lost.

[@MattimusLime]

“Technological angels”

[@moneycomet]

He meant protoss.

[@hypers829]

Interesting SC2 custom map.

[@junioraltamontent.7582]

Looks like one of those games theyd make up for an episode of Law and Order SVU. Ice T comes on and is like "Turns out all the students behind these mass r*ping sprees have been huge fans of this game, SpaceCraft" "Back in my day we just had Super Maario."

[@mg0]

protoss with banelings and comsat scans, I want to see artosis play against this

[@AimRobot]

Some of the stuff makes me think Total Annihilation.

[@Grindelfein]

The question that is most interesting to me is: what happens when you lose your flying main building thing (Arcstation)? Is it rebuildable or do you have to go on with what you have?

[@LiquidTang]

i asked someone that, said it’s rebuildable and could have more than one at a time but not much of a point

[@FernasRPG]

They seem a mix of Protoss with Night Elf and some new stuff

[@Coldhandz117]

other than archon, broodlord, and collosus doesnt every other starcraft 2 unit have an ability. zerg can burrow and morph, terran has stim and mech transformations, protoss most have one small ability or are full spellcasters

[@momoaa]

I agree all these guys are dumb to whine about "too many abilities", but its pretty intellectually dishonest to say "pretty much every zerg unit has an ability, they can transform and burrow" or mech transformations.

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

If there weren't any abilities ''LOL THIS UNIT IS SO BORING NICE A CLICK GAME'' if there are abilities ''WHY DOES EVERY UNIT HAVE ABILITIES'' They don't want to play Stormgate, they don't want anyone to play it and just randomly hate on shit. I hope the devs ignore them. Focus on making the game fun for the people that want to play it.

[@claydavis8924]

i dont get people defending the art style.. we deserve better than this trash. its so dull looking... if you dont get the art style down nothing else follows.

[@peterlaanguila5098]

Deserve? Bro the game is free

[@claydavis8924]

Deserve as in a starved RTS community looking for something good to play in a scarce landscape of no games. not as in price..

[@Ziegfried82]

@@peterlaanguila5098 whenever you see "free" keep in mind the design philosophy is to hook whales. It's what literally every single Korean MMO does and what every single mobile game does.

[@momoaa]

Bro says its dull looking and some people say it looks washed out, while other people are complaining that its too colorful and cartoony and not realistic and gritty enough. How can they win?

[@XFoX90]

Its just people that are tired of Starcraft, really. They would literally play any trash game including a game made in MSPaint if it meant they would relive the glory days of SC2 or BroodWar. They just crave another eSports phenomenon and this is why this game is gonna flop. Because it has nothing else going for it.

[@teachmehowtodoge1737]

My life for Aiur! 💪

[@unagiandroe]

Catbuses and mothership cores that sounds like electronic glass. What a time to be alive.

[@metalparott]

Lots of people are comparing the Celestials to the StarCraft factions, but more people need to talk about their similarities with C&C factions. It's like they tried to make a C&C style faction exist within a Blizzard RTS. I see the Celestials and think of a hybrid between Tiberium Sun Nod and Protos.

[@archniki_]

It should ve be stopping warping when pylon moves out of range

[@matusayx]

This game have very hugly art.

[@MrTrombonator]

this race seems to be very influenced by C&C, i mean, building without workers, harvesters, moving CC, energy upkeep for buildings

[@BrandonPrentice]

I was really hoping there would be 4 or more races total. Everything about frost giant's Celestrial reveal makes it look like this is the last race, which just makes it look like a SC2 knockoff

[@martinkrauser4029]

22:15 AFAIK Total Annihilation had the laser weapon type that has range damage fall-off, on many units in 1997, a year before StarCraft released this mechanic carried through to SupCom and Beyond All Reason, a game you should probably go play at some point to become qualified to discuss RTS games 😈

[@bluebunnybooks]

I have played it and it's fun

[@FourOneNineOneFourOne]

Mechanics seem fine, could make an interesting game, the graphics still need a lot of work obviously. I'd love if they had enough budget and worked on some cinematics, to me really brings out the game into a different light.

[@jonathanj.3695]

They really need to work on the art style and graphics of this game. There's honestly no excuse from ex-Blizzard devs to make a game that has graphics that look like a cheap asset flip from a mobile game, considering that Zerospace has a smaller budget and looks a Hell of a lot better, visually.

[@XYNTEN]

Green crystal reminds me of sims.

[@nunoaguiar2525]

What bothers me the most in this game is the camera angle. It feels like the terrain is in a different angle than the units/buildings. It's like the lack of terrain features gives it an illusion of top view like GTA2 but the units are rotated too much (or some not at all) and they look like they are going to fall... I don't know how to explain it but it feels like something is off.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

I honestly don't see it.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

I know what you mean.

[@Corusame]

They look like one of those cheap toy sets you'd buy from a $1 shop for your little nephew

[@armoredjoey]

The race looks like it was inspired by Total Annihilation.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

similar building shapes and colors, thats about it.

[@mikael7084]

uh I dont mean to be rude but have you actually played total annihilation?

[@AsfarionArhive]

Can you somehow rebuild the main structure? I think infernals can just rush into their scourges and nuke it

[@mannyt6956]

are these graphics final or will be improved for release ?

[@Ouvii]

I don't know, but Artosis does admit that he is on low graphics at 23:47

[@allanshpeley4284]

@@Ouvii Artosis is also a sellout who's putting on his best "this game isn't dogwater I swear" face.

[@dillonsizemore4892]

The graphics are final they have not set the shaders yet and anyone that's watched or played minecraft with a shader pack know how much of a difference that can make, but that will most likely only be done once they have all the character models are completed and in game. Most of the maps are just basic designs to serve their function. Alot of the people complaining about the maps being bare or looking bad didn't play sc2 WoL launch as the maps back them were crap before a lot of work went into them by a dedicated team at blizzard (for the reason of them being crap) and also the community to add texture and personality to the maps, stuff like reaper jumps, towers for overlords to chill on, and narrow openings at mains and natural bases(for protoss to wall cheaply) were standardized so I think we will see the same happen here once the community gets its hands on the map editor.

[@eggnog52]

Who cares about graphics? It's all about the gameplay which looks interesting.

[@omcdoktor7349]

feel like something that xel naga couldve been

[@TheDrakmannen]

Man these comments are something else, either mad cope or mad hate. Im pretty unconvinced about this game so far myself, but Im sticking with the wait and see approach. Hoping for the best but I wont be surprised or disappointed if it fails. My general critiques so far is that it does look very generic and soulless. Units move rather slow over all, and even fairly small battles are messy and hard to follow, but I feel that way when I watch wc3 too because Im not that familiar with wc3 either so that might change once you familiarize yourself to everything. What I like about sc2 is that even when the battles are insane, you have a feel for whos winning. Healthbars are easy to see, and once you get a hang of power levels of units, you can tell fairly quickly which side has the advantage. When I watch battles in stormgate, I have no idea whos winning. Healthbars are small and weirdly colored, units are damage sponges almost like in wc3 and there are so many things strange animations going on. Like the rolling zealots here, they roll in do splash damage, then start blinking and explodes. The "marine stalkers" that have bright blue fairly slow moving projectiles at first, and then slightly less bright orange projectiles. The infernal siege unit that has a massive and bright orange wind up animation and then has range like a siege tank, while also having white health at first, and then very hard follow solid red/blue healthbars. I think this needs the classic green->yellow->red HP bars, especially since units here are fairly tanky compared to sc2.

[@dangthinh90]

Why everything needs like a million abilities?

[@ZirJo]

I think I'll try this faction first :3

[@thesand]

The buildings looks uncannily like Total Annihilation...a game from 1997.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

you mean their blue and white and some of them are triangle shaped? You really sat there typing this shit like you're not going to be laughed at the first time someone googles this shit? TOTAL ANNIHILATIONS MAP DECALS HAVE LIKE 3 PIXELS, THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE QUALITY WISE.

[@thesand]

@JerryS-zb2lf yeah, fair enough. Hey you know what else is only like 3 pixels?...

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

@@thesand nothing relevant to this conversation so goodbye loser.

[@Draklora]

This has to be dev account, he is defending game under every comment. I have never seen so much coping

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

@@Draklora Im glad you said it, the hate for this game seems so prevalent and shallow that it has to be a paid or concerted effort to tank this game, never seen so many people bitch about visuals to a free game. To the point you think genuine interest in this game could only be from the dev.

[@toomuchcheeze6598]

Stormgate has some interesting ideas. But this game is not rdy for mass consumption, and the intent to release this game july 30th is absurd. If it is released in this state, it doesn't matter how well designed it how, it will fail. This game is supposed to usher in a new era of rts and appeal to the masses. Well, the masses aren't gonna stick around for a game that screams, "placeholder"

[@greenwave819]

it looks like they are mining dookie rocks

[@christianblair8663]

Artosis pretending dementia while ignoring all the twitch comments criticizing the game is peak comedy.

[@bruno1554]

As a SC fan .. i was expecting something much much better...

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

please explain this.

[@bruno1554]

@@JerryS-zb2lf definitely doesnt look like a modern game. the art design is poor ...

[@allanshpeley4284]

@@JerryS-zb2lf Why are you simping for a game that looks like it could have come out on mobile 15 years ago?

[@Kor-Phaeron590]

​@@JerryS-zb2lf bro you are everywhere defending this 😂

[@BadConeja]

This game has a better chance at being competitive than “Battle Aces” - but the Celestial race is purely over powered. I’m not entirely sure of Parting’s perspective on Celestials, perhaps their early game is too open to aggression. However, late game the Celestials seem so strong and capable of containing the other races. You will have every base with a highly flexible army and effective abilities/tools. Race balances like this make the esports and competitive side difficult. In terms of Battle Aces, that will never see grand esport success due to severe tempo shifts in win/lose states and overall lack of development in a consistent player skill demonstration. In that game, it will be too easy to lose a game or series from a lower skill opponent from spontaneous factors that are purely based on the game’s design. It’s more like Mario Party RTS Battle Royal.

[@pknepps]

Funny enough. Dueing beta, the celestials win rate dropped significantly after the first day. People got used to the gimics quickly, and celestials didnt even have the highest winrate despite over 50% of players maining them

[@jayhobspeedruns]

I'm losing hope this games ever going to look good. I mean god the saturation alone is like x3 higher than League of legends. you'd think a game with Demons and angels would be... I dunno at least a little gritty. Also this race looks like it's going to be horrible to balance... oh like Protoss.

[@catra195]

This is getting very Orwellian, He's trying to convince us something is cool DESPITE what we see with our own eyes.

[@flufychickens]

Ya thats what happens when you are financially motivated

[@coachmcguirk8277]

The game also has severe "not done yet, this is a placeholder" vibes everywhere. I think people are being a little too critical in that regard. That being said, I'm giving this game the same treatment I gave Halo Infinite, let it bake for 1-2 more years after "release" and play it once it's actually finished. Shame it has to be that way but that's the way things go these days.

[@allanshpeley4284]

@@coachmcguirk8277They can't bake it for more than a few months to a year max without a huge volume of microtransactions. They've admitted as much in several reddit threads. The game is an utter embarrassment. That Artosis is pushing this garbage speaks volumes to his character.

[@monolith-zl4qt]

@@coachmcguirk8277 the abilities and unit mechanics aren't placeholders. they're deliberately ripping Sc2. I don't care what happened between Blizzard & their employees, this is juts unoriginal. Unlike Battle Aces, that seems like a game with original thought behind it

[@nightmareTomek]

@@monolith-zl4qt They're ripping the whole game concept from Wc3 because they are the devs from Wc3. And since every unit has some special ability, we're back at a moba.

[@gecgoodpasi1654]

people hating on a game thats not even in release into early access yet is exactly why starcraft players are stuck playing a abandoned game that slowly even loses its last few supports of blizz 🤣 like u gotta start realising starcraft cannot be the future if blizz is not interested in the project anymore u either start supporting some new crap or u gonna be stuck eating shit forever.

[@CashMoneyMoore]

Seems no dropships yet?

[@automaticintuition]

I think this seems very cool, i will definitely play it. I am grateful for a new rts game!

[@benme2253]

Please tell me that the graphic of the game will change.....

[@YusufBroujerdi]

Yes it will. They're avoiding making detailed art of the units until they've finalized gameplay, and the map tilesets are placeholders.

[@allanshpeley4284]

@@YusufBroujerdi Wrong. They're nearly out of money. They've admitted that they have enough to get to alpha this summer but will need in game transactions to continue developing afterwards.

[@PeterParker-yg6fc]

6:40-7:20 best part

[@thebole123]

This game look like soulless starcraft with GFX from 2005..I expected a lot from this game and turn out to be a joke..Also i cant tell what are building and what are units for 3rd race is just to hard to differentiate.. As for gameplay for next gen RTS its insane that they are pushing basically most annoying part of SC2 free units and canon rushes (race that is base on building movement) bad design. This game is DOR.

[@Miketar2424]

I can see that. The triangles are a throback to the very first Nintendo 64 use of 3D, where they would show raw triangles as shapes for wings, or a few pasted together for sqaures etc. They would look separated , as if the triangles were bonded together by a force field , and not a whole object. Very late 90's graphics vibes from this new race.

[@Ziegfried82]

More Warcraft 3 level graphics IMO. Lots of annoying mechanics though for sure. The new angel protoss race has some super OP stuff, gonna get nerfed hard.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

again, free games aimed at pubs don't die because chuds who can't accept change didn't get SC3.

[@nunoaguiar2525]

I was laughing with what chat was saying that I didn't pay much attention to Artosis. They were extremely mean but some had valid points. So you present a new race and some models aren't even finished yet? Just finish the units and then release the new race. There is potencial here but it needs at least another full year of development.

[@AtteliaVel]

The reason for early showings is they don't have blizzard money . Investers want to see progress and excitement .

[@Miketar2424]

Another year just to be competitively playable, and then at least one more year to polish, add skins, get minimum balance etc. They really showed off the alpha build this past few months.

[@allanshpeley4284]

@@AtteliaVel They had $40M lmao

[@AtteliaVel]

@@allanshpeley4284 blizzard had 40 million in what year ? Making a game for 40million in 2024 when the games are more complicated and expensive . With inflation it not as much as it used to be

[@hallo-mt5tx]

im shocked he decided to do a showcase with low graphics lmao

[@eduardopfranco]

Nice, now protoss have banelings.

[@tomasplanicka2539]

A bit dissapointed.. I mean yea it is a game, they make it, it does not affect me.. I just think it is unfortunate they just made starcraft again The human race is clearly human, even has marines and siege tanks the demon race is clearly zerg with creep and this race is so clearly protoss Not really protoss? Well.. Dark and light energy.. like templar energies actually have casters for both spectrum, like HT and DT blinking car.. like stalker mothership I mean.. it does not feel original at all, it looks.. so safe a game done by people who can make game, but it kinda lacks soul

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

humans need a siege weapon, you have a tank, a ballista or a group of metal plates that says its not or the other two but its really just one of them in a different skin, you're mad that there are archetypes to units, this is core mechanics for an RTS, go play something you actually are interested in.

[@tomasplanicka2539]

@@JerryS-zb2lf 1) no they don't need it, there is no engine that won't let you create a faction that is human and without a siege weapon. You can literally be creative and think of anything 2) Nobody complains about siege weapon presence, siege weapon is completly fine What I am saying that among other things, this is unoriginal rip off What makes siege tank specific and unique? That it has a mode where it is a tank and where it is artillery. Atlas in storm gate has the exactly same role, hybrid between artillery and a tank. If you wanna talk about archetype, the archetype for artillery in games is that it is mostly active only when sieged, and does not operate as a tank mobile unit. Therefore, this very unusual style of unit would remind one of siege tank a lot, because other RTS games don't use this hybrid archetype much. On top of the faction having Terran aesthetics, terran marines, it even has a kind of a vulture, it has the wraith Yes it can be the same archetype, but it is the shame that all 3 factions in Stormgate are exact same archetypes of factions with the same archetypes of untis as Starcraft 2, it is lazy and unexciting

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

@@tomasplanicka2539 1. this is child like entirely, "Im not sure how but it fuck it Im sure you could do it." you're clueless and wrong. Think of something to replace the the archetypal tanks/artillery in these games and tell me, what kind of metal box with wheels/hovers/legs did you come up with? 2. What Im saying is you're entirely wrong, this is made by the same people mostly, and even then its not a copy of shit. Similar does not equal the same and my point was you're demanding creativity where it can't be applied much. The humans in this game and the humans in SC2 are the same in that they have blue.... the end. The rifleman looks nothing like a terrain unit, if anything its the ghost the ghost wants to be but thats being generous. The atlas is also nothing like a siege tank outside the fact its a tank that does most its work as artillery, every other aspect is different. You clearly haven't played SC2, this game, or both because a match of this doesn't feel like playing SC2 in anyway. Sounds like you jumped on a band wagon with all these shit points, bahh bahh sheep.

[@williamshakemilk2192]

exactly, it doesnt matter how good it is if it isnt better than starcraft and doesnt bring anything new to the table. Theyre making an RTS game, not a shooter, you cant just copypaste and expect to attract people, this genre is not popular enough for that kind of thing. It feels like they put more emphasis on the story and graphics than the gameplay in every trailer and its still so generic. Angels and demons, "no one could have seen this coming", just epic jargon everywhere. If the lore is trash than the game probably doesnt need it in the first place.

[@tomasplanicka2539]

@@williamshakemilk2192 Lore is important for the game and world to be interesting imho, so they need to step it up.. but really.. lore seems generic, factions copy paste... The only thing I see good are the mechanics of actually making a good solid game.. dissapointing

[@adamhenrie3879]

I have confidence in the gameplay but the graphics are killing me

[@zygonovism]

you're new to game development right? you're watching an alpha demo. do you remember wol alpha?

[@NoUseForAName06]

@@zygonovism WoL alpha looked "different" than the final product but the core of what the people liked about SC2 graphics was there. The unit looked cool and the engine, while not fully utilized, was showing off some of the stuff that it could do. Here, there's just nothing I enjoy personally. I guess it's made with the mobile market in mind.

[@nholanl1952]

people did not like the sc2 graphics. Team liquid was full of hate comments similar to what you see in this comment section.

[@XJ9LoL]

@@nholanl1952 It's important to go with a style and just run with it. If they keep trying to change things it will lead to a lost vision.

[@Sigma6987]

@@zygonovism Most of these people criticizing and memeing are kids that have never seen an actual alpha build of a game. I don't completely blame them because companies started pushing out beta ready builds as alphas for the sake of marketing 10-15 years ago, but it's still cringey if you know.

[@ItMaker5000XL]

Complicated units with 100 abilities are TEDIOUS. It's like they never made SC1... where is the appreciation for simple but badass units like the hydralisk, the dragoon, the zergling. I can't believe I have no interest in this product whatsoever given that I am 100% the target audience.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

hydras only good when it has the complex spell caster the defilier behind it, the dragoons just bad because it can't get past stairs or most the map, zerglings have always been too powerful and theirs 8 million takes on zerglings in RTS, even in this very game from what I've seen. You have no interest because you're done with RTS, move on mindlessly shitting on this game isn't going to give you what you want.

[@jhoezt5108]

​@@JerryS-zb2lf Hydralisk being a simple unit is what made the Defilers stand out as casters, having no ability helps the players (especially the casuals) shift their focus on controlling the more impactful caster unit. Dragoons' pathing issue and Zergling's balancing are not related to them having an unique ability or not.

[@Mystyx-Sama]

I found my favorite race. Up till now the other races seemed kinda boring to me, but these guys are cool. Them having an ability for just about everything is a good thing that separates them from the other factions. Morons complaining about it in the Twitch chat don't understand how immersive and interesting that makers the faction. And even though Arty has graphics set to "low", the game looks okay. Universe at War had a similar way of making the factions different, and I always appreciate that. God, I miss that game...

[@denarte6986]

Can’t wait to play this on my iPad 😅

[@siriseveu]

Prepare to skip ads every 3 minutes and pay to accelerate units and damage output.

[@hollowlantern8888]

This is kind of like a fusion of the big three of blizzard. I'm seeing the mechanics of Warcraft, the units of Starcraft, and the theming of Diablo. I think if they can deliver a good story then this would be a good start to a good series, and hopefully a second game with better better looks.

[@stkfr]

Well, that's protoss.

[@Haxses.]

This looks really interesting! Also wow Artosis's chat seems like some of the most insufferable people you could find on the internet. Is that normal? Or is there just something about stormgate that really gets to that crowd?

[@mikael7084]

wuss

[@Haxses.]

@@mikael7084 Gottem!

[@NoUseForAName06]

This game legit looks like something 5 Dudes hacked together during a weekend game jam. I am not saying the gameplay is bad since I haven't played it, but its so rare that a game turns me off immediately just from looking at it. I am not a graphics guy either. It's wild how unpleasant this is to look at and listen to.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

I don't see it, but Im also a reasonable human who knows it "being released" in beta for testing and a full "Realease" aren't the same thing, maybe temper your expectations like a normal human being instead of being caught up in the sheep baaaahing about something petty.

[@pigzard01]

The devs went ahead and set graphics to low for maximum gameplay performance. Now that's thinking ahead.

[@allanshpeley4284]

@@JerryS-zb2lf Dude why are you simping for Frost Giant on every comment? You must be an employee. Time to look for another job, hack.

[@khav99]

Seems like this game is trying to be everything to everyone in the RTS space, I don't know if that's good or bad.

[@bahoalternate]

its bad

[@kidB_81]

Dead on arrival looking race

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

why's that?

[@kidB_81]

@@JerryS-zb2lf you seriously look at this game and get excited? Its slow, uninspired and frankly bland. If everytime we see a new unit or building we can compare it to some Sc2 or warcraft counterpart, why does this game even exist?

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

@@kidB_81 "Excited"? Homie Im a grown man with two kids, I don't feel anymore. But Im not going to mindlessly shit on something because the RTS community is a bunch of cynical sheep. Lets be clear, something can copy SC2 units DIRECTLY (which isn't whats happening here) and still be fun, you're just not happy the RTS genre has limited choices I guess, they pick alien like strange race, "LUL ITS JUST THE SCRIN" picks modern military instead of hyper futuristic one "LUL ITS JUST A MILITARY RTS" picks futuristic angels, "LUL THATS JUST THE PROTOSS" See? no winning with you fucks. so yeah now Im actually excited by this game solely because people are hating it for completely weird ass reasons, despite the fact that this will be free to play and the community will thrive without the RTS old guard.

[@tgr3423]

@@kidB_81 Starcraft and Warcraft are considered the GOAT RTS games for a reason. Any RTS that doesn't replicate them in some shape or form is shooting itself in the foot. SC2 in particular has, bar none, the best UI in the RTS space. These games absolutely should be studied to understand why they work, and I'm really glad they're imitating solid, proven design. Could they stand to be more original? Yeah, sure. But would this game appeal to dedicated RTS players if it didn't in some way resemble Warcraft III or Starcraft 1/2? Probably not. You'd probably see inverted comments of people asking or complaining why it isn't more like Starcraft or Warcraft when the devs are ex-blizzard.

[@kidB_81]

@@tgr3423 yeah sure enjoy playing your Starcraft 0,5 placeholder game. No team play until late 2025 anyway. They wanted to create "the RTS for everyone" but right now they are creating a game for no none. As for the blizzard dev argument we keep hearing so much about, do I need to remind you that these guys arent the ones who created the great games like Starcraft broodwar and WC3. These are the guys that ruined Starcraft by making no-fun units like the Mothership core, the swarm hosts and the disruptors. I used to believe in this game and I was on the hype train. Now the more I see it develop I couldn't care less about playing this game.

[@thebigbucktheory5488]

They have alot of work to do...

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

you aren't ever going to play it, why pretend?

[@MrDuckford-oO]

Come on Artosis, just main Celestials and save yourself the hassle that Terran brought you for 30 years.

[@jauntyjaun]

Maybe this game will have great mechanics and balance but the art direction is so unbelievably bland, I always thought this isn't that important if gameplay is solid but damn

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

it isn't, and nothings changed so why did you get more shallow?

[@jauntyjaun]

@@JerryS-zb2lf If I want to play some strategy game where art doesn't matter I'd rather pick up chess, go or a good modern boardgame. I mean, it's not about modern graphics, games like Nethack or original Master of Magic have better, less bland art direction. As of now this game looks like more boring, flavorless mix of wc3 and sc2

[@XFoX90]

Who said it has great mechanics and balance? The game is literally a sallad of MOBA,WC3 and maybe SC2 mechanics.

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

@@jauntyjaun yeah well Im a real human being who plays games that interest him regardless of looks, work on that shallow thing and you'll enjoy shit more.

[@jauntyjaun]

​@@JerryS-zb2lfReal human being. And a real hero 🎵

[@greenghost2008]

Wait this game is out now?

[@RedRamDRA]

Honestly not impressed by the roster... We have basically Terran - which I think I like the most; basically Zerg, but Demon; basically Protoss, but called celestials (not in art). For this army the abilities are kinda meh... Cabal mastery training being literally Banshee's Possession from WC3, which is also mastery training in WC3... I withhold strong opinions on the graphics - very early, but it looks clayish, I hope that doesn't stay like that. Overall Vanguard look like my guys so far, disappointed in the third race overall... Infernals for being demons have no models that feel badass, many other games have a better looking demon race... Celestials are kinda geometry shapes in the sky or whatever... meh Vulcan is bae

[@WoAzMM]

Just because the devs didn't invest in graphics, sound design or gameplay doesn't mean that Stormgate is a bad game

[@tigera6]

I mean we will have a balance game, right?

[@Deathsinger99]

Also it’s like… actually unfinished. The blue buildings and units actually have no finalized model and texture. Way too early. And he’s playing on low so looks worse for what is finished

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

first two things are post beta problems, you won't have them for a while, cry to soemone else. Secondly gameplay is bad? how many times you play it?

[@XFoX90]

😂 its eSports ready though, and thats all it matters I guess

[@WoAzMM]

@@JerryS-zb2lf cope harder

[@MICHAH6]

My hatred for stormgate is becoming borderline uncontrollable

[@whitneysmiltank]

it's a shit game

[@3halfshadows]

I intentionally watched a video of something I don't like, and now I'm mad. How could this be happening to me?

[@peaceonmars]

@@3halfshadows You realize you don't need to watch a video in order to unlock the ability to comment on it, don't you?

[@beefbrain68]

why? legitimately want to know what specifically makes you hate this

[@Deathsinger99]

Do you need therapy?

[@MrTimishere]

Game looks like one of those asset flip scams. Calling this an sc2 mod would be a compliment.

[@charlesnewborn3760]

Why do the graphics of these units look like Alpha stage quality??? I haven't been following Stormgate much, but if there's an Early Access in August, I have no hope for this game, simply because it looks like ass. How are we supposed to go from a completely polished game like sc2 to a game that looks like it was made 10+ years ago??

[@Lyseddie]

The graphics look like alpha stage because the game still is in alpha stage.

[@charlesnewborn3760]

@@Lyseddie how can it be alpha if early access is only 2 months away. You mean to tell me they're going to go from alpha to beta and polish the shit out of this game in 2 months?

[@Lyseddie]

@@charlesnewborn3760 Early Access is two months away. We don't know when the game will be fully released.

[@lukex1337]

@@Lyseddieit’s not in alpha….keep coping though.

[@smelogsplayground]

@@Frodonsake24 they have around 40m and you don't need blizzard like ressources. Their main focus is the editor and tech I guess and the art and art direction is just behind to avoid unnecessary cost if they have to redo assets. But then I believe for such a big announcement the models and the art for them should be on a better quality level. It's fine to show the community early development placeholder on reddit discord and in a playtest. Promoting it in this quality/progression will come with critic.