Straight to Fruiting Conditions - Mushroom Spawn to Bulk

[@christopherneil988]

Back in the 1970's i used to grow my mushrooms in quart jars with only 3 shot glasses of long grain brown rice and equal part of water and 1/8 teaspoon on crushed gypsum rock 15 lbs of pressure for 30 minutes let cool over night and always kept one jar of mycelium that had not started pining yet. Under 3 weeks old and i would inoculate my jars on full moon and 3 to 4 weeks later i had jars growing full of mushrooms and i would take the lids off and put gallon size bags loosely over the top of jar and they would grow right out the top of jars. And sometimes i would grown 5 to 10 cases of jars with the lids still on in the boxes they came in stacked 5 feet high and they would fill the jars with mushrooms and my cost was around 3 cents per jar! I am now 64 years old and am going to start growing again and it blows me away at all the effort and extra work that is put into this now. I would get a jar or 2 out of every couple of cases of jars that would contaminate but was no big deal. I lived in Illinois and was the only one doing it in the central part of the state where i was from. I just kept them going every month I would start a new batch but I would get several grows out of each jar before they would need to be redone. Has anyone else ever did it this way? I also just used a butter knife i put in boiling water and no gloves i would stick it in jar and put a couple grains of rice with the white mycelium on it in the jar and that was my inoculation. I never took spore prints because i never knew how. I got a case of jars from my older brother who went to prison and i just kept them going. Never really knew what i was doing but i remember what he told me. They were vary good and big cubensis. Not sure of my spelling so sorry. We did not have the internet back then and i found vary little on the subject back in the day. I used to trade a 3 cent jar of mushrooms still growing in the jar for an ounce of mexican weed. We also ate them right out of the jar. Never knew i could dry them! Then when i moved to Texas in the early 80's i found them growing in pastures on cow shit and we ate them straight off the patty and never got sick. Well we would puke because we always ate way to much and i am talkin several ounces but they were wet not dried. We would keep them in the fridge for a couple of days then throw them out. The getting sick was mild and then the tripping would kick in big time. Please let me know if anyone else has did it this way. Thank you vary much. And much respect young man for all the hard work you have did for the cause. I doubt you will see this but i hope so

[@KitchenMycology]

Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experience. Yes. I've done this with small jars and a Ziploc bag over the jar, which is what I misted. I found I had faster pinning and better yields if I added a casing layer in the jar. It works, but I get much bigger yields if I mix with Coco Coir etc. Like in my Fast Track video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp_NmpKMaq6bf68 I'm always riding that fine razor's edge between Simplicity and Effectiveness. I do like the method you described though! And thank you for subscribing! 😎👍🏼🍄

[@KitchenMycology]

@ArcadeKaos Thanks!

[@KitchenMycology]

@ArcadeKaos That makes me happy! Thanks for the feedback. 😎👍🏼🍄

[@ShineHammond-dw5gf]

Man that's how I started! Man do it we need more elders showing us the way! Thanks pops

[@MostWantedOHA]

i have jars that i will fruit from colnizing atm , 5 to be exact ... i put a large ziplock bag over them also when they pinn and then its off to tghe races !!! ive used various containers to do this also . didnt you use a mix of substrate w/ the rice grain ??? how did you start your 1st jar of mycilium to spawn the others . ok Cheers !!! Thanks Great Post !!!

[@chrisvillarreal2024]

This is GREAT advise. Ive been using Coir for all my grows and thos time i chose to spawn to bulk and put them straight into fruiting conditions. Its been 15 days and it started pinning yesterday 🤷‍♂️ seems to hold true this far. Im just gonna let it do its thing. Less work and like you day why complicate things. I feel every grower should know this and at least give it a try. You dont know until you know, but thank you for the reassurance!!! Happy growing!!

[@KitchenMycology]

Yes! Like I keep saying: Don't try to Control - facilitate. Give it the right conditions and let it do its thing. 😎👍🏼🍄

[@blizzard_of_Za]

No but the fairy 🧚 leaves 🍁 can cover it and build humidity 🤔

[@Benjo31187]

Subscribed! thanks again for another great informative video, keep on creating content my friend.

[@KitchenMycology]

Thanks, will do!

[@deej7783]

The realist shit I've heard on KZbin, straight from the og💯👊💯

[@toddwmac]

Thanks for sharing your years of experience. Fairly new to this hobby, but have always asked the question you posed...."where is the fruiting fairy?" in nature. It seems there are way too many interventions by growers on a process nature figured out millions of years ago. :) Thanks for your great content.

[@KitchenMycology]

Thank you for your kind words. It makes my day to know that I'm helping other in any small way. 😎👍🏼🍄

[@toddwmac]

@@KitchenMycologyYou most certainly are. I do believe entheogenic fungi are one of the few things these days we can look at with hope and enthusiasm, and anything we can do to help others learn about them is time well spent. In appreciation.

[@KitchenMycology]

I agree 100% - I also have an eBook related to this. Hoping it will help new people getting into this. www.patreon.com/KitchenMycology/shop/

[@davideluciano7761]

Other thing I was thinking about putting just agar to dirt and see if it grows like you said there's NO GRAIN FAIRY

[@KitchenMycology]

I'd love to see your results. I was thinking about dumping fruit bodies straight into rice. Contamination is the issue though... Keep experimenting! 🧪🔬🍄

[@jenkenstein3D]

I hear what you're saying about different varieties preference for a coir layer post-colonization or what have you, but ime I have yet to meet any cube that didn't like going straight to fruiting conditions.

[@KitchenMycology]

@@jenkenstein3D Right. I was thinking really of non-cubes. Some species won't even pin if you go straight to Fruiting. They need to colonize the whole substrate, and you need to case it after.

[@caitlin2273]

Makes sense. Nature has its own processes. Why complicate it? When you spawn to bulk. Do you sterilize coir in the instant pot and if so for how long?

[@KitchenMycology]

I pasteurize it by pouring boiling water on it and leaving it to cool down. I have a video lesson series on preparing Coco Coir, Spawn to Bulk, etc in the Patreon Course. Step by step. 😎👍🏼

[@blizzard_of_Za]

Would you consider PE and APE harder to grow varieties? I was gifted my 1st monotub that gave my buddy 4 flushes so he said he take this and see what happens well 1 month went by and it was stalled I let it dry out and soaked it flip it it a foil turkey pan and then back into a little bigger steel it’s tub and I put it In my 1 grow tent that was just harvested and cleaned and forgot about it for a week I open up tub and there were pins everywhere and this was in total darkness. I took out and put led on it and it gave me 3 more flushes but 7-8 shrooms each flush so after that i mixed up pieces of the cake in all my cannabis containers to add microbes and fungal dominant soil. I know have 4 tubs and I stuck with PE and APE but just inoculated a3 pound bag of popcorn with stargazer isolate and another with the Maz. I want them canopy’s I see on the ner

[@KitchenMycology]

@@blizzard_of_Za They are different. Not really harder, but as with any other species, you need to get to know them.

[@AllThatIKnowNow]

Mushroom growing has become really complicated and commercialized. They want you to buy a pressure cooker, laminar flow hood, specially designed grow tubs, pre sterilised substrates, casing layers and grains, special jars and bags, etc, etc. I fell for it and wasted a lot of money. Now I realise I can grow just with small, unmodified plastic tubs, coco coir, cheap brown rice, a stock pot, a few jars, and boiling water.

[@KitchenMycology]

@@AllThatIKnowNow Exactly! Which is the main reason I want to teach people how simple and easy it can be! Thanks for your comment. 🍄♥️ kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp_NmpKMaq6bf68

[@__shaun__]

casing fairy was a good chuckle however seasonal falling leaves is a bit like a casing fairy

[@KitchenMycology]

True. And just because I haven't seen a Casing Fairy, doesn't mean they don't exist! 😜

[@__shaun__]

@@KitchenMycology hehehe oh i forgot thank you for good content, thank you!

[@DanielTorres-rw2rz]

This sound like Alex Shulgin an 1.25x speed

[@ColMustard513]

I don't know who that is but now I'm at 1.25 speed 😅

[@vazap8662]

I like the way you explain things, makes a lot of sense. After starting with way to big tubs for a beginner, I've corrected my course and bought a bunch of small containers, 1l food containers and 6l shoeboxes. So I can try out things and experiment on smaller faster batches. I'm actually going to compare tomorrow side by side a setup similar to yours (straight to fruiting mini dub tub) against old school lid on lid off for fruiting, with B+, and see the difference. I'll then do the same for other strains, maz and malabar. Hopefully they'll provide a lot of fairies and elves! ;) Quick question: I see you've adopted a shotgun style approach on your top tub, does that make a big difference? I also see you haven't used CO2 exit holes on your bottom tub, is that because the space between the two tubs fulfils that role?

[@KitchenMycology]

I have been using them without CO2 Holes for a few years and just recently tested the CO2 Holes because a friend of mine told me he always uses them. I didn't see any difference so I keep it simple and don't use them. It could be that space between the tubs, but I don't use them with my bags either. Maybe spraying them twice a day releases all the CO2? Not sure. Let me know how your experiment turns out. Thanks for your feedback and comments! 🍄♥️

[@DawnKeyBalls81]

Hello Kitchen Mycology...quick question. Im about to go straight to fruiting conditions on my next run either today or tomorrow, I was wondering if i should put a casing layer/pesudo casing on top of the substrate after I mix it and put it in the tub? What would you do or prefer I should do? I appreciate your time and answer.

[@KitchenMycology]

I prefer adding a "pseudo casing layer" of the same Coco Coir I use to Spawn the Grain into. I've found that it protects the Mycelium developing in the bulk substrate against contamination and it helps better pinning and coverage when it fruits. I've done side by side tests with Coir Loving Mushrooms and found it the best alternative. I always do this, unless it's a strain that will not pin unless you fruit first, case later. But I hardly ever grow those.

[@DawnKeyBalls81]

Thank you so much for your answer, I'm definitely going to add a pesudo casing layer of the same spawn I'm using to spawn my grains with. I appreciate your vids and time. Mush love and respect bro! Keep up the great work 🤜💥🤛

[@KitchenMycology]

@@DawnKeyBalls81 I'm glad to help. Good luck! 🍄♥️👍🏼

[@ineshianewton7740]

​@KitchenMycology how do you know if your strain needs to be colonize first?

[@KitchenMycology]

@@ineshianewton7740 Look up the strain online and see it's requirements.Soiresband and Liquid Culture Vendor's websites should have that info. Reddit is a great place to search too. Most Coir/Dung-Loving mushrooms can go Straight to Fruiting.

[@jennyloohoo]

Interesting! I am going to try it!

[@WadupCuh]

Interesting and insightful. Appreciate it!

[@shanecolley7693]

So i have fully colonized grain in a ziploc should i add my coir to the bag and mist do i need to add holes or can i slowly open the top up to give it more air 🤔 or should i put holes in it near the sub and near the top

[@KitchenMycology]

In the Patreon Course I have several video lessons sowing the whole process in detail, but this video has a compilation on what to do: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp_NmpKMaq6bf68

[@chicofromph33nix64]

I just completed 2 ziploc bags and 2 tubs last night.. i plan to use a dub tub when colonized but have the lids on right now... can i go ahead and take the lid off really fast and put the dub tub on it?

[@KitchenMycology]

Yep! I always go straight to Fruiting Conditions. 😎👍🏼

[@noahsabel2115]

How long does normal take from this point to the first pin singns ?

[@KitchenMycology]

@@noahsabel2115 Coir-loving mushrooms usually take between 10 to 15 days to pin for me. Then about 4 to 5 days to Harvest. But there are many factors like temperature, humidity, strain of mushroom, and genetics...

[@noahsabel2115]

@@KitchenMycology do u think i can mix a collonised oncle ben bag with coco in a ziplock , ride 1500km to my vaccation destination put it there in a tub and harvest it bevore i leave in 3 weeks from there ?🤞🤞😅

[@KitchenMycology]

@@noahsabel2115 Instead of transferring to a tub, I'd leave it in a gallon Ziploc and grow it there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp_NmpKMaq6bf68

[@KitchenMycology]

@@noahsabel2115 I have many detailed step by step lessons on the Patreon Course. But you should be able to wing it.

[@noahsabel2115]

@@KitchenMycology what does wing it mean ? My english is not the best

[@Houseofmycology]

When you go straight to fruiting do you have your light on yet?

[@KitchenMycology]

Yes. I just set my bags and / or Tubs in front of a window with indirect sunlight as soon as I Spawn to Bulk.

[@Houseofmycology]

@@KitchenMycology ok cool thanks man

[@rc3964]

Lol😂 your my favorite mycology watch! Funny and keep it simple.!

[@KitchenMycology]

@@rc3964 😂😜 Thank you!

[@rc3964]

​@@KitchenMycologywhats your opinion on tubs and bags getting light? Do you just leave them in an open room and let them get natural daylight or keep them in the dark at all?

[@KitchenMycology]

@@rc3964 ​ I don't put any bags in the dark. Not Grain Spawn or when I Spawn to Bulk. I've tested different light cycles and haven't found any difference. Just let them do their thing. They know what to do. Keep it simple.

[@rc3964]

​@@KitchenMycologythank you for your time..✌

[@jtbrill632]

Why do you suppose that dumping the rice from a completely sterile environment (UB bag) into open air and a completely unknown environment (ziplock) would cause you to have far less contamination issues? It makes zero sense. I'm not implying that it's not true, I'm just trying to understand why.

[@KitchenMycology]

It makes "zero sense" to you because you're going off too many false assumptions my friend... "Unknown Environment?" Ziplocs are Sealed and Sterile in the box... "Open Air?" - you saw me doing anything out in the open? The members of my Course are ALL growing successfully and loving the simplicity. You're judging something at a glance when you don't know any of the details... Just watching the free videos on my channel would show a lot more than going off of your assumptions from watching just one of my videos. But anyway... I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Use any Tek you wish. To each his own. Edit: Also, how do you inoculate a grain jar with Agar? You open the lid and dump pieces inside...

[@ineshianewton7740]

​@@KitchenMycologyhello if it's already been colonizing but it's not fully covered can I switch to fruiting or just finish that stage out first?

[@KitchenMycology]

@@ineshianewton7740 I always go straight to Fruiting Conditions unless it's a strain that needs the two stages to pin, or needs to be cased after colonizing fully. 😎👍🏼

[@ineshianewton7740]

@@KitchenMycology ok thank you

[@dorime3031]

Can i go straight to fruiting for cubes? PE or albino?

[@KitchenMycology]

Yep!

[@ineshianewton7740]

Hello so can you do this with dung loving mushrooms?

[@KitchenMycology]

Yes.

[@danielchristopher9628]

I read your comment where you said you mist twice a day. You're saying to only mist the dome lid, correct?

[@KitchenMycology]

Exactly. If the substrate gets dry, then I mist lightly from a distance. Rarely needed.

[@danielchristopher9628]

@@KitchenMycology thank you brother for the response and videos.

[@danielchristopher9628]

When you go straight to fruiting as you suggest, is o.k. to put it on a 12/12 light cycle?

[@KitchenMycology]

Yes. Some humidity will fall on the substrate, but not too much - which is what we want.

[@danielchristopher9628]

@@KitchenMycology thank you very much again. I'm extremely new to the hobby and appreciate any help or advice. I've struck out a few times so far, so I'm trying to figure out the right and more successful way to do things. Have a great one! Peace and Love

[@retropursuit992]

Does this promote higher evaporation? Just wondering as it would require more input misting and such right? Might give it a go with tubs-in-tubs with diaper tek to keep the humidity up. Thanks for the video

[@KitchenMycology]

I spray twice a day, so I like it.

[@davideluciano7761]

Has anyone did this yet

[@calebw4247]

Can you do these with PE

[@KitchenMycology]

Yep.

[@TechGorilla1987]

I discovered this weekend that my fruits have almost zero flavor. They contribute nothing to my dish. Talk about bummed.

[@KitchenMycology]

That's sad. Sautéed mushrooms are great though.

[@TechGorilla1987]

@@KitchenMycology I'm on the hunt for a different variety with a more distinct and heavier flavor profile.

[@KitchenMycology]

@@TechGorilla1987 Oyster Mushrooms are great.

[@TechGorilla1987]

@@KitchenMycology Does patreon have comments or email?

[@KitchenMycology]

@@TechGorilla1987 it has comments on posts, direct message, and a community chat. 👍🏼

[@helpyourfellowhuman]

👍🏻

[@monnoo8221]

this is misleading, and building a papertiger strawman etc. the reason why people are doing 2 stages is NOT because it is necessary, that is that it would not be possible to do it monotub, straight, but simply due to optimization of yield, time, handling costs.

[@KitchenMycology]

Have you done a side by side test with one stage vs two stage, and casing layer vs no casing? I have. You say "it would not be possible in monotub" - I've been doing it (one stage) in monotubs for Years. So it seems to me that you're not talking out of experience here. Also, accusing me of misleading IS misleading. I'm not misleading, I'm talking from experience. Go on Reddit, or any other forum, and you'll find people arguing endlessly about this. You can keep doing what you're doing, but I'm not worried about putting the Casing Farie out of business...

[@RamonaGrafdotCom]

I have two of the same side by side and only the one with the casing layer is pinning atm 🤔

[@KitchenMycology]

@@RamonaGrafdotCom In my tests, casing layer at Spawn to Bulk has always pinned faster, with more surface coverage, and more contamination resistant. I'm sticking with this, but to each his own... Casing Layer at S2B is usually called Pseudo-casing...

[@RamonaGrafdotCom]

@@KitchenMycology good point. I’m gonna continue to case.

[@KitchenMycology]

​@@RamonaGrafdotComSo your side by side test convinced you of casing at S2B?