The Ziploc Fast Track - A Compilation of some Video Lessons

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NOTE: at 1:27 What I meant is tat it's much faster to INOCULATE the bag with a syringe than adding Agar. But Agar colonizes MUCH faster than a Spore or LC Syringe.
Speeds - from Fastest to Slowest:
1. Grain to Grain (G2G)
2. Agar to Grain (A2G)
3. Liquid Culture Syringe (LC)
4. Multi-Spore Syringe (MSS)
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🍄 This is a Compilation of Several Video Lessons from the Kitchen Mycology Course on Patreon. There are 145 Posts as of March 4, 2024.
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[@90SecondMycology2.0]

Some of the best 90-second brown rice right there! Love it, great work.

[@KitchenMycology]

The is means a LOT coming from you, brother! You're the inspiration for my channel! Thank you!

[@90SecondMycology2.0]

@@KitchenMycology you know I love the kitchen!

[@KitchenMycology]

@@90SecondMycology2.0 Exactly! 🍄♥️

[@FrostJack-tv6op]

Thought they destroyed your chan 90sec .. yo shout out to base drop as well . I got cakes but nothing. I'm looking at these nice educational vids that are few far in-between. Anyway would it be possible to take some mycelium from a cake and transfer it to colonize a 90 second bag like shown here ? The cakes are hot they got full shot of iso spore was not live culture. Hard to find good ones as well when it's legit experiment for the better of humanity. Anyway thank you both, I'ma keep going!

[@KitchenMycology]

@@FrostJack-tv6op No intent nor possibility of "destroying" the brother's channel (90 Second Mycology). Only love 🍄♥️ There's many ways to skin a cat and we all want to spread the love. You can learn to go from Spore Print to Harvest, through 4 different routes in my course.

[@Chrissiesmile]

How amazing you did all this in a zip lock. Great video thanks x

[@I_AM_ALL_THAT_WAS]

By far the best content and what I’ve been searching for in regards to simple growing methods. Thank you!! Subscribed

[@KitchenMycology]

Thank you for the feedback! Mde my day. 🍄♥️

[@thorny3218]

Hey that’s a pretty cool way for a beginner to get started learning the fundamentals.

[@enigma1487]

Oh wow! Thank you so much for sharing ❤️ 💕 💗

[@KitchenMycology]

I'm glad to help!

[@TheUndertaker100]

Neat tek. I love the simplicity. Nice video man, Mush love 🍄

[@KitchenMycology]

Thanks! 🍄♥️

[@williameastman3695]

Wonderful!! Simple is better

[@Benjo31187]

great job on the video, lovely music, nice and easy to watch and learn from.

[@KitchenMycology]

Thank you!

[@liamanbull]

you’ve done an amazing job here of simplifying a complex scientific process into something anyone can understand and do at home 👏👏 which is not easy, i applaud u for doing the most important work for civilian science. my tip: adding boiling water to your substrate or rice before adding culture (let it cool not to sterilize your spores either) is a great way to pasteurize/sterilize any possible contaminants that could kill your crop! obviously you pulled it off anyway, but for those seeking insurance :)

[@KitchenMycology]

I do pasteurize the Coco Coir substrate with boiling water. It's not shown here. This is a compilation of a few Video Lessons from the Course at Patreon.com/KitchenMycology

[@oongieboongie]

This is so adorable

[@filippoarlenghi6247]

You are creative

[@KitchenMycology]

I'm always looking for the best balance between Simplicity and Effectiveness. I didn't invent all of these techniques. I've come up with some myself, and adapted, simplified, and arguably perfected others that I've found online and in books. But thank you for your kind words! 😎👍🏼

[@Hux-464-67]

Gona try this.

[@MacCelium]

Nice vid...bag tech is the way to go. Thank you!

[@AngieCovais-tk1co]

Brilliant

[@KitchenMycology]

Thank you! The balance between Simplicity and Effectiveness...

[@rvansteensel420]

amazing

[@bobbobby2978]

Beautiful canopy for a bag grow.

[@KitchenMycology]

Right?! 🍄🍄🍄

[@KitchenMycology]

*************************************** NOTE: at 1:27 What I meant is that it's much faster to INOCULATE the bag with a syringe than adding Agar. But Agar colonizes MUCH faster than a Spore or LC Syringe. Speeds - from Fastest to Slowest: 1. Grain to Grain (G2G) 2. Agar to Grain (A2G) 3. Liquid Culture Syringe (LC) 4. Multi-Spore Syringe (MSS) ***************************************

[@johnludwig3240]

Awesome bro, I'll never buy another unicorn bag again. I wish more people shared tips and tricks like this one.

[@KitchenMycology]

Thanks! Glad I could help! We have an active group on my Patreon Community Chat always sharing ideas. Great guys and gals there! 🍄♥️

[@Vellieveil_64]

🔥🔥🔥 have u thought about doing a time lapse of the entire process… mainly the fruiting

[@KitchenMycology]

I have! These Time-lapses take time though. But I, and everyone loves them. Thanks for the input. I'll keep it in mind. Let's see... 😁😜👍🏼

[@bepriceless]

nice.

[@chicofromph33nix64]

SUBBED!!!

[@user-hu5sp1wh6x]

Hi :) Following. Do you open the zip lock bag to spray h2O? And leave it open at a certain stage like when you see pins? Or the FAE holes do enough to keep it in a humid microclimate until harvest? Mushlove

[@BasicHemp]

this is super underrated keep up the vids

[@KitchenMycology]

Riiiiight? It's so easy. I don't know why more people aren't doing this. 🤔

[@BasicHemp]

@@KitchenMycology im actually going to try soon!!!

[@KitchenMycology]

@@BasicHemp Awesome! Let me know how it goes. Or if you have any questions. 😎👍🏼

[@chicofromph33nix64]

@@KitchenMycology this will be my next project... I have everything but the rice.. would 1cc LC be good?

[@chicofromph33nix64]

​@@KitchenMycologyI keep forgetting about asking you certain questions on here and will jump over to patreon.. my apologies

[@chicofromph33nix64]

once its fully colonized and you add the substrate and the FAE holes, do you keep it in anything,or would a closet work? Can I cover the holes with micro spore tape, or leave them?

[@KitchenMycology]

Don't cover the holes. After S2B, there's not a big contamination risk. Best to put them in front of a window with INDIRECT sunlight. Don't cook them. And you don't want the humidity to evaporate too quickly. You'll get to tweak it with a day or 2 of testing.

[@mateusz6332]

I really liked your technique, can you tell me if it works well with the Hericium erinaceus?

[@KitchenMycology]

You can use Ziplocs to colonize your grain the same way as shown, but when you Spawn to Bulk, you'd need to use the Ziploc as a tight grow bag and cut a few X into the bag so the Mushrooms grow out of those X-cuts. You won't use the gallon Ziplocs as a Tub. I've done it with Lion's Mane and Oyster Mushrooms too. Also, I show Spawning to Coco Coir. You'd use Hardwood Pellets.

[@mateusz6332]

@@KitchenMycology thx ♥️

[@TheKenjondoe]

Great video! In your opinion, will one bag of colonized UB be enough for a 6qt tub?

[@KitchenMycology]

I use 2 bags era shoebox /6 qt tub.

[@TheKenjondoe]

@@KitchenMycology Alright, thanks for the response!

[@KitchenMycology]

@@TheKenjondoe You got it. 😎👍🏼🍄

[@francis_oviedo16]

This is great, thank u so much. Here in argentina its almost impossible to afford commercial bag teks, this makes my first grow experience much easier and affordable. I just wanted to ask how should i esterilize the grain and the substrate, should i make it on those ziploc bags or in glass stuff and then put them on the ziploc? I dont know if the plastic would melt and screw up everything, if u could help me with that would be great, thank u! Pd: ive just read that ziploc bags generally can be up to 450°C and i think that the esterilization is around 120°C, hope it works haha

[@KitchenMycology]

Ziplocs melt in the Pressure Cooker so you have to sterilize grain in jars and then you dump it in the Ziploc. This way, you don't have to modify the jar lids. Ziplocs are sealed and sterile in the box. This Fast Track video is just a short compilation of different lessons. I have very detailed video lessons in my Patreon, but here's the Popcorn Tek video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ_EgH6Qq8yEha8 Hope this helps!

[@robb.5035]

You don't have to sterilize the rice or the ziploc bags. The rice from the 90 Second rice bags he uses in the video are already sterile. The inside of the ziplocs are sterile, too. Just need an SAB to do the transfers. As for the coco coir, I would definitely sterilize that, though. I've only gotten contam when I didn't. Good luck.

[@jazzcardashcam]

Wow, what kind of mushrooms are these? Never seen anything like them before? What kind of dish would you make with them?

[@KitchenMycology]

Piopinnos! Love these guys. Sautéed, add them to Ramen, anything you'd cook with buttons or Oyster Mushrooms. 😎👍🏼

[@BubbBlubbii]

just one flush? but still impressive never seen it like that always just the ben's tek tried it once but had contamination in it cause i did not use enough to Inoculate the bag might try it with this method ty

[@KitchenMycology]

I got two flushes from that bag, which is what I usually usually get from Spawn to Ziploc. UB Tek contaminated too much for me. It was also very sslooooooow - which is why I think it would contaminate so much. After I started dumping it straight to Ziploc, I got no contam and super fast colonization - usually 8 days!

[@warrensledd5444]

was the popcorn also colonized in a ziploc or jar@@KitchenMycology

[@KitchenMycology]

@@warrensledd5444 I've done both. Lately I'm doing only Ziploc. It's faster and easier. Here's a side by side progress video of Jar vs Ziploc: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6msoHiOndxqjNU

[@CrabbyPattydelight]

Is there a link to where you got those atomizer bottles, some of thr generic i jear plug right away, wonder of the flairosol one tbat costs more will like the knockoff ones. Any spray bottle you know is alright, thanks and excellent video!

[@KitchenMycology]

Right. The frairosol bottles are stupid expensive and break down too quickly. I use regular spray bottles from dollar store or more expensive one from Home Depot, and I found these $1 Fine Spray bottles at 5 Below store that work great and last a long time. (See video). I use these sometimes. I explain my spraying method in the Course. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJfFZH9jgZaraLM

[@shanecolley7693]

Should I seal bag to allow for colonization after spawning to bulk or should I just put it into fruiting conditions

[@KitchenMycology]

I always go straight to Fruiting. A few strains are more picky and you can't case them and go straight to Fruiting, but hardly ever grow those. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYTKap1riLtmhsU

[@TheKenjondoe]

Have you did a comparison with leaving the rice in the bag vs putting it in the ziplock? I had 2 Publix rice ziplock bags and 3 Uncle Bens rice left in their packs and the Publix rice in ziplocks colonized way faster and I started seeing growth of mycelium on top of my substrate in just two days after being in a tub.

[@KitchenMycology]

Oh yeah! Ziploc usually colonizes fully in about 8 to 10 days, where inside the Original baf can take about a month.

[@user-hu5sp1wh6x]

Hi, :) When do you open up the bag? Or do you leave it zip locked with the FAE holes all the way until harvest? 😮 Mushlove

[@KitchenMycology]

I open it only to spray and close it back up. The FAE Holes at the top keep the microclimate nice and humid,ajd evaporating at a perfect rate.

[@SillyWabbit120]

@@KitchenMycologyHi do you only spray Once when sending to Bulk?

[@KitchenMycology]

@@SillyWabbit120 I spray it as often as necessary to keep it cycling between humid and dry. Evaporation is the #1 factor for pinning. You don't have to start spraying right away. It'll take a few days to start evaporating. In the Patreon Course, I have two whole lessons about humidity control.

[@juanifico]

very cool! been thinking of trying this out!! what was your total dry weight after both flushes?

[@KitchenMycology]

I usually don't weigh, but I've gotten 140g Wet.

[@aceylaboy9773]

So around half oz. Not bad considering

[@KitchenMycology]

@@aceylaboy9773 Yeah, you'll get much better yield from shoe boxes. More flushes too. The idea behind the "Ziploc all the way" is to get people into the hobby. It's a very easy way to start growing. Then you can get into more complicated Teks. I show how to do all sorts of stuff in the Course... But honestly, I've been using straight Ziplocs lately because it's so easy. But I like the process, so I don't worry much about yields. I'm hoping this helps more people get into this.

[@aceylaboy9773]

@@KitchenMycology correct, most simple method seem like. Gon give it a go myself eventually

[@ay7pre]

Where did you get the mycelium? Or how did you grow it? I just don't know...

[@KitchenMycology]

This video is a compilation from many video lessons from my course. You start from a Spore Print or from Liquid Culture... I have the whole detailed course on Patreon.com/KitchenMycology I have a lot of lessons on this channel as well. It's a lot easier to go through the step by step course though. 😎👍🏼

[@GregAvery-uf4oq]

Yummy

[@ZombieSnax42069]

Wouldn't you know a guy just bought 30 empty food saver bags , thinking to himself " I bet ziplock would work" best way to learn is to fail or lose money.😅

[@KitchenMycology]

Hey. I have a video on using those to make DIY "Unicorn" Bags.

[@robb.5035]

Great videos! Where do you get your music from?

[@KitchenMycology]

Man, I can't remember, sorry.I downloaded that from a website with Free Copyright music. I've been using it for a few years no. The song name is RELAXING MUSIC by Liborio Conti Maybe Google that song and see if that web site is still up?

[@robb.5035]

@@KitchenMycology Awesome, thank you!

[@robb.5035]

@@KitchenMycology I've been sending a lot of people to this channel from Reddit. I hope you get a ton of traffic.

[@KitchenMycology]

@@robb.5035 I REALLY appreciate your support! This is such an important project that can help so many people. Thank you for helping me get the word out. I am very, very grateful! ♥️🍄

[@rohitpaniker1862]

Can you tell me the time for pressure cooking the brown rice in pressure cooker ? I am unsure as to how long i should sterilize my brown rice. Also very nice video

[@KitchenMycology]

I use the 90 second rice, so I don't have to pressure cook it, I like using popcorn because it's simpler to PC than rice. I have a video on that here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ_EgH6Qq8yEha8si=z88zPgdjN2CipbPc

[@rohitpaniker1862]

@@KitchenMycology Thank ypu very much, ill look into it.

[@user-tg1og4ve1r]

Do I need to disinfect coconut soil?

[@KitchenMycology]

You need to pasteurize it and bring it to Field Capacity. www.patreon.com/KitchenMycology

[@robb.5035]

How often do you have to fan with all those air holes in the Ziploc? Thank you.

[@KitchenMycology]

I don't fan them at all. When I spray the bags, (usually twice a day), it moves air around inside the bag, so no need to fan. 😎👍🏼

[@robb.5035]

@@KitchenMycology , Cool. Thank you.

[@rickheath5507]

So no micropore tape on the holes that you burnt through with the soldering iron?

[@iConzJH]

How do you use popcorn in your ziplock bags? How do you get the popcorn sterile?

[@KitchenMycology]

I have a video explaining it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ_EgH6Qq8yEha8si=xszV2JFG12jZj17A

[@KitchenMycology]

Then you just dump it in the Qt Ziploc - in a SAB, of course.

[@user-nm5qb6dj1m]

yowza!

[@jedediahsibley3355]

The rice went bad the popcorn dried out and this last one with the canopy worked!

[@twitchmeister3204]

Karen

[@martycooke5778]

What is a canopy? Pic?

[@liamgriffiths5289]

What do you mean the rice went bad

[@SillyWabbit120]

How Much sub do you use? Also how much spores or LC?

[@KitchenMycology]

I use about 1:1 to 1:1.5 Spawn:Coir ratio, but you can go higher on Coir. About 2cc of LC or Spore Syringe. This is a compilation of a few Video Lessons from my Patreon Course. I go into a lot of details on Patreon: Patreon.com/KitchenMycology

[@ganotube]

hi the substrate did u pasteurized or you just put it straight in?

[@KitchenMycology]

Yes. I always pasteurize the substrate. This video is a compilation on several Video Lessons that I go over in detail in the course. 😎👍🏼

[@tedkravos7129]

I see you put holes at top of bag at 3 min 45 sec and just wondering if you put any holes at bottom of bag near substrate.

[@KitchenMycology]

No. I don't. I tested the CO2 Holes and didn't see a difference in performance. I prefer less holes.

[@martycooke5778]

Do you cover the holes with micropore tape? Or just leave open? Seems easy to get contam. 😢

[@pusico6555]

Am i missing something? So you still need FAE to incoulate the grain? I've seen people inoculating with tightly closed jar lid

[@KitchenMycology]

People do all sorts of things. FAE is a must. Mycelium breathes, just like us.

[@KitchenMycology]

Let me clarify: you can inoculate a sealed jar through a Self-healing along Injection Port, but the Mycelium needs to breathe to multiply/grow. See this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4CxcoOChMRnea8si=bE3ZVKeP91GdxDhe

[@thorny3218]

They don’t actually need air exchange at that point. They simply need to be able to expel co2. So when we do jars we just leave the lid a little loose. Source: many years and many batches of mushrooms grown🤣

[@user-ui8on8qv7b]

What was the dirt you know what? What are you using for that?

[@KitchenMycology]

If you mean what substrate, it's Coco Coir.

[@RamonaGrafdotCom]

Do you sterilize the ziplock bags somehow or is this straight out of the box?

[@KitchenMycology]

Ziplocs are sealed and sterile in the box. I dump sterile grain in Ziplocs all the time. Works like a charm. They melt, but there's no reason to sterilize them. This is a compilation of a few lessons from the Kitchen Mycology Course though. I go into all the details there. Patreon.com/KitchenMycology

[@RamonaGrafdotCom]

@@KitchenMycology thank you! That’s where I originally saw it! Gonna try this evening. Hopefully I have some good results to thank you for!

[@Ayayaybuddy]

How did you make the rice to ziplock transfer knowing you were operating sterile? How did you not get contaminated? Amaging anyway!

[@KitchenMycology]

The Ready Rice is sterile in the bag and the Ziplocs are sealed and sterile from the box. I do the transfer inside the Still Air Box so everything is clean. This video is a compilation of many lessons in the Patreon Only Kitchen Mycology Course, so you don't get all the details. Patreon.com/KitchenMycology

[@Ayayaybuddy]

@@KitchenMycology i didn't know the ziplocks were already sterile, thank you so much for the explanation!

[@BB82739]

Hi, love the video. Do you mix up the colonised grain like break it up and mix with the co coir? Thanks

[@KitchenMycology]

Yes, I do.i mix it 50/50 Coir to Grain Spawn.

[@BB82739]

Thanks so much for replying.

[@KitchenMycology]

​@@BB82739Sure thing. 😎👍🏼

[@teigers1]

Does everything after 3:-00 need to be sterile?

[@KitchenMycology]

No. You need to process the coir and pasteurize it before use. This video is a compilation of several video lessons from the Course. Everything is explained in derltail there.

[@greazyoutdoors4429]

Can you transfer to a tub?

[@KitchenMycology]

Sure. I like Shoeboxes

[@martycooke5778]

Do you cover those holes with micropore tape?

[@KitchenMycology]

I've never had to, but if you're worried about contamination, you can. Then remove the tape after pinning. 😎👍🏼

[@martycooke5778]

Are you storing in a closed area or tent.? I’m not so I worry about contamination

[@KitchenMycology]

@@martycooke5778 Close to a window, unless it's cold and I have to do climate control.

[@robb.5035]

Hey there. This is the video that turned me on to wanting to try out ziploc bags. But in this video, why do you say spores are faster than agar? Established mycelium is always faster than spores; especially after isolating strong genetics. Did you mean something else?

[@KitchenMycology]

Yes. I meant that inoculating with a syringe is faster. I put a sticky comment and an explanation on the video description.

[@greatestytcommentator]

Isn't a whole petri dish a tad overkill for one rice bag?

[@KitchenMycology]

Yes. You are right. I'd been using the Ketchup Cups for a while and liked using one of them per bag because it colonizes so fast - it's always a race against contamination... But these are bigger, so I can use half or less of these. I do like making one or more super fast (6 to 8 days) Grain Spawn bag and then going G2G from then on.

[@judyhowell7075]

Temperature please

[@KitchenMycology]

Between 72° and 78° F

[@joshuabarnhart9028]

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[@user-hp3go8vu4s]

You just leave the holes open??

[@KitchenMycology]

For the Spawn Bag, Yes. For colonizing grain (the small Rice or Popcorn Ziploc, I cover with Micropore Tape). Just like you see in the video. Think about it: Do we cover any Vent holes in a Shoe Box or larger Tub? No...

[@ItsCheechFool]

1 bag of spawn to 1 quart of substrate ?

[@KitchenMycology]

I do 1:1 parts Spawn to Substrate. Eye-balled, not measured. 1:1 is a bit safer against contamination. You can go 1 Spawn to 1.5 Substrate easily.

[@ItsCheechFool]

@@KitchenMycology they been saying 1:3 have the biggest yield what you think?

[@KitchenMycology]

@@ItsCheechFool They say all sorts of things 😂 - It's a race against contamination. The more Substrate compared to Spawn, the slower the colonization, so nasty stuff has more time to breed and out-compete your mycelium. So you'll have to pay more attention to humidity etc if you choose that route. I've settled with 1:1 to 1:1.5 myself, but it's a personal preference. Different strains have different needs as well...

[@ItsCheechFool]

@@KitchenMycology gotcha so 1:1.5 can produce fat yields is what you saying ? I think ima just go straight to mono tub grow. 4 quarts of spawn to a whole bucket of cvg

[@KitchenMycology]

@@ItsCheechFool The reason I like small Tubs is that if a Big tub gets Contaminated, or has some other issue, All your eggs are in one basket. If you have 4 shoe boxes and one goes bad, you have three left. Also, shoe boxes, or Ziploc bags are much easier to harvest than a huge tub. But again, it all boils down to personal preference. I've been having fun with Spawning to Gallon Ziplocs. It's so easy and humidity control is almost set it and forget it.

[@kierandonovan8590]

Did you sterilise the inside of the bag?

[@KitchenMycology]

Nope. Ziplocs que que are sealed and sterile out of the box. 😎👍🏼

[@charlesbowers8112]

I've seen people inoculate directly into the brown rice bag.

[@KitchenMycology]

Yep. But you can't see what's going on in there. It can be contaminated but looks nice and white in the bottom window. That didn't work for me. Also, it colonizes waaaaayyyyy faster in the Ziploc.

[@charlesbowers8112]

@@KitchenMycology All good points!!

[@chicofromph33nix64]

@@KitchenMycology wtf.... I'm very impressed with your video and really appreciate you for sharing this.. THANK YOU!!! When you initially dumped the rice into the Ziploc, did you do anything to it?? Or was that just straight out the bag? How many CC of spore or LC would you recommend? Also after you burnt the holes, did you cover them with micro spore tape.? Sorry for all the questions

[@KitchenMycology]

​@@chicofromph33nix64 >> When you initially dumped the rice into the Ziploc, did you do anything to it?? ** No need to sterilize the Ziplocs, they're they're sealed/closed and sterile out of the box. That's the beauty of it! >> How many CC of spore or LC would you recommend? ** About 2cc per Rice/Ziploc Bag. DON'T shake it up after inoculation. >> Also after you burnt the holes, did you cover them with micro spore tape? ** No, after Spawn to Bulk, you need plenty of Fresh Air Exchange (FAE) and it's not as prone to contam. I only cover the Rice/Grain Ziploc with Micropore Tape immediately after inoculation. If you don't, you will get contamination for sure. I go into all the details in my Full Course on Patreon.

[@chicofromph33nix64]

@@KitchenMycology wow, thank you for answering my questions.. I'll avoid asking questions on here and will move over to patreon since yt is getting weird about certain topics

[@SillyWabbit120]

Hey why so Much agar?

[@KitchenMycology]

The more the merrier. 😜 Depends on how much Agar you're comfortable with using. I always have a lot so I do the extravagant amount of one whole cup per bag or jar. But if you don't want to be wasteful, use 1/4 to 1/2 cup per bag/jar.

[@ItsCheechFool]

The whole cup? I thought just a piece ?

[@KitchenMycology]

Some people just use a few pieces of Colonized Agar to Grain. These cups are larger than Ketchup Cups, so you could do half a cup. I have plenty, so I use the hole cup. It Colonizes the grain in 8 days or even faster. If you use a few pieces, it'll just take longer. Also, using more Agar and colonizing faster, gives little time fr competing nasties to grow in the grain. It's a give and take - balancing act...

[@KitchenMycology]

Also, you can inoculate the first rice bag with Agar or LC/Spores and then use that bag to inoculate 10 bags with Grain to Grain. G2G is VERY Fast too.

[@thorny3218]

The more mycelium you add the faster the results. So, In theory yes you could use a sliver of agar but why? It’s so easy to make. I used to slice my agar up before inoculation but it’s not even necessary. Simply save a step and add the whole thing to the grain. Less chance of contamination and you can simply shake the grain once the mycelium starts to take hold. It will distribute that way.

[@KitchenMycology]

@@thorny3218 I've seen people ddo this. Drop the whole thing in there... I've never done it myself, thinking that the smaller the chunks and the more spread out they are in there the faster it will colonize. I see your point about less chance for cantamination. I have to experiment and see which one is better.

[@cesarjara5265]

Did you sterilized the Ziploc or something??

[@KitchenMycology]

That's the #1 Question I always get. No need to sterilize the Ziplocs, they're they're sealed/closed and sterile out of the box. I go into all the details in my Full Course on Patreon.

[@cesarjara5265]

@@KitchenMycology thx so much

[@noelm2688]

Looks good but why are you misting your already at field capacity coir?

[@KitchenMycology]

It may not be necessary. Sometimes the coir doesn't feel as moist as I would like it to be. I also like to mist a bit between the substrate and coir.

[@noelm2688]

@@KitchenMycology cool

[@skipscramble5915]

So much agar lol

[@KitchenMycology]

Too much is Never enough! 😜

[@skipscramble5915]

@@KitchenMycologyI didn’t say “too much” 😅

[@KitchenMycology]

@@skipscramble5915 😂😜

[@retropursuit992]

I take it these bags would melt straight away in a PC or instant pot. I don’t like the idea of transferring sterile grain into the bags as it opens up more room for contam.

[@KitchenMycology]

Ziplocs are sealed and sterile in the box. I dump sterile grain in Ziplocs all the time. Works like a charm. They melt, but there's no reason to sterilize them.

[@retropursuit992]

@@KitchenMycology that’s true, I didn’t really think about it like that.

[@retropursuit992]

@@KitchenMycology just one more question, when it comes time to fruit I see you add the FAE holes and mist the bag but do you leave it until fully grown after that or is there still manual air exchange that you need to do?

[@KitchenMycology]

@@retropursuit992 You could try it and see for yourself? 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@KitchenMycology]

@@retropursuit992 I treat it exactly like a shoe box tub: open, spray when needed, close. Let them grow all the way in the bag. Oh. I go go straight to Fruiting Conditions.

[@aceagain7483]

Quick note:spore syringe takes longest, mycelium hasn't germinated yet

[@KitchenMycology]

Look at my note on the sticky comment. 😎👍🏼

[@spencerratto9248]

A spore syringe is NOT faster then using viable and established mycelium. Cool video though man

[@KitchenMycology]

I agree. What I meant to say is tat it's much faster to INOCULATE the bag with a syringe. I can see how it can be confusing, the way I said it. Sorry about the confusion.

[@djloak]

Spore syringes even faster than agar ?? I agree with liquid culture bejng faster but spore to grain is not faster and it's much more likely to contaminate

[@KitchenMycology]

Nobody reads the video description or the sticky comment.

[@basilroland]

You should never put uncolonized gelose on your grain, you are asking for trouble.

[@KitchenMycology]

It's common practice. I've been doing it for years with great results. The results speak for themselves.

[@thorny3218]

Not true op. The bottom of an agar dish is never colonized and it works fine.

[@basilroland]

@@thorny3218 Yes but once in your grain, uncolonized agar will be more subject to grow bacteria.

[@KitchenMycology]

@@basilroland I've never had an issue.

[@user-hu5sp1wh6x]

Hi :) Following. Do you open the zip lock bag to spray h2O? And leave it open at a certain stage like when you see pins? Or the FAE holes do enough to keep it in a humid microclimate until harvest? Mushlove

[@KitchenMycology]

I open it only to spray and close it back up. The FAE Holes at the top keep the microclimate nice and humid,ajd evaporating at a perfect rate.

[@user-hu5sp1wh6x]

Hi :) Following. Do you open the zip lock bag to spray h2O? And leave it open at a certain stage like when you see pins? Or the FAE holes do enough to keep it in a humid microclimate until harvest? Mushlove

[@KitchenMycology]

I open it only to spray and close it back up. The FAE Holes at the top keep the microclimate nice and humid, and evaporating at a perfect rate.

[@user-hu5sp1wh6x]

Hi :) Following. Do you open the zip lock bag to spray h2O? And leave it open at a certain stage like when you see pins? Or the FAE holes do enough to keep it in a humid microclimate until harvest? Mushlove

[@KitchenMycology]

I open it only to spray and close it back up. The FAE Holes at the top keep the microclimate nice and humid, and evaporating at a perfect rate.

[@user-hu5sp1wh6x]

@@KitchenMycology thank you :) And how often do you spray the bag?

[@KitchenMycology]

@@user-hu5sp1wh6x usually twice a day is enough. Sometimes I spray a third time mid day, but remember that evaporation promotes pinning and leaving the substrate wet all the time will cause all sorts of problems. We want to have a cycle of humidity and evaporation.

[@user-hu5sp1wh6x]

@@KitchenMycology thank you so much ❤️