STREET DEBATE | Greek Philosophers and Sikhi! Speakers Corner, Hyde Park 4 #4

Jagraj Singh's fourth return to Hyde Park. Check this street debate of Greek Philopshers and Sikhi!
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[@RajSinghKhalsa]

Jugraj Singh we will never see his like again, truly one in a billion. We miss you brother

[@samrathsingh2229]

what do you mean..i hope he is alright and still alive..is he no more?

[@RajSinghKhalsa]

He passed away in 2017 stage 4 liver cancer rest in peace brother

[@gopishankar9576]

@@RajSinghKhalsa really?

[@Critix_4]

@@gopishankar9576 Yes😞

[@gopishankar9576]

@@Critix_4 I recently started watching his videos and I learnt a lot about Sikhism...I love my Sikh brothers and sisters.

[@goatsingh7099]

Jagraj Singh is really armed with knowledge, great role model for Sikh Youth!!

[@sng2162]

Nice pfp

[@mouthbreather280]

He sadly passed away. God Bless. I Pray Basics of Sikhi Continues On Strong!

[@aperture0]

@@mouthbreather280 What? Really?

[@mouthbreather280]

@@aperture0 I know. I was sad when I found out. Unfortunately he had cancer.

[@aperture0]

@@mouthbreather280 Yup. 😢😢 I found this in 2018. I didn't know that before. He was just 38. I thought he would continue to do street awareness till 60 but he passed away too early.

[@Rahner79]

I admire Sikhism. I see the work of the Holy Spirit in this faith. Beautiful.

[@utopiac679]

Imagine living in the time before the Gurus. Would it be fair for you to endure countless reincarnations without the TRUTH?” Certainly, even in that time, people could attain a holistic and spiritual experience Creation. I hope I helped and did not confuse or mislead you brother or sister. ✌🏼💜🙏🏼 Sat Sri Akaal 🙏🏼

[@kooomz1]

lol the guy at the back is raising his hand to get his question answered, probably had some strict public school teachers

[@TheGardenvids]

at least the man is polite enough to do so, many men do the opposite which is to shout over people they are stopped to listen to disrespectfully, this can be seen alot at speakers corner, and the guy speaking is in most of his videos very aware of the souls he talks to , so raising a hand to him is probably a good way to get his attention and also help him by not being too loud

[@ugaaswaqliye7540]

I discovered this guy a few days ago. I'm amazed by the way he reasons and talks to people. He is a great example for his faith. Intelligent, posed and patient. A rare combination. That's stuff great people are made of. I have watched all the videos. I had no real understanding of Sikhi before I discovered this channel. I have learned a lot. I have nothing but respect for it. With respect, all the way from Somalia. RIP.

[@rudigerk]

Check out Swami Sarvapriyananda if you are interested in another outstanding spiritual teacher. For example m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaLUiqWCmNp7Zrc#searching Please give me your feedback

[@rubenxmedina8990]

Jagraj Singh is so intelligent. People try to challenge him and they lose. This guy has so much wisdom, RIP Jagraj Singh

[@ranbirkhaira986]

It’s not about winning the debate, it’s about learning from eachother and working towards the truth

[@nischayjitsingh4453]

Is he dead???????????????????????

[@arjunbir2754]

@@nischayjitsingh4453 Yeah

[@gungs001]

These street debates are so powerful, especially for the youth trying to navigate their way through this world. Please keep them coming.

[@maninderjeetsingh4251]

" Why are you doing this to yourself " 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sukhiandsylvia]

So awesome! Bhai Jugraj had kirpa when he studied Philosophy....because one day he would end up using all of that philosophical knowledge at Hyde Park on this stubborn budha!

[@r3b22ber3]

mad init. god works in mysterious ways man

[@harnoor7135]

yes lol

[@TheTurbanatore]

The Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was written, verified, and sealed by the Guru: This is an objective fact. The Gurus were superior to Plato, Aristotle, and Confucius becuase they had a far better message and lived better lives. These Greek Philosophers haven't even studies about Sikhi and all of a sudden start to jump to conclusions and doubt the validity of the Guru. Jagraj Singh on the other hand is an Oxford graduate in Philosophy and has studied the greek philosophers. If you are going to debate someone, you should at least know their beliefs.

[@Bl00dAndThunder]

I haven't even watch the video yet but it doesnt take a genius to realize that Greek mythology is a 'myth' and so is Hindu mythology.

[@maninderjeetsingh4251]

Bl00dAndThunder But still there is truth in Greek mythology. Not all of it is true but to a certain extent it is. Talking about HINDU mythology, hinduism is a culture, the religion is Sanatan Dharam. And i can say it for sure that Sanatan Dharam is Closer to the truth than many other religions. So lets assume if Sanatan Dharam was the best religion in this world i would consider HINDUS the worst followers of it. They have lost the real essence and teachings of it.

[@Bl00dAndThunder]

There is barely any truth to greek mythology. Hindu mythology is very similar. they are both myths. They both teach us to learn and understand the principals of their respective stories instead of taking their stories in the literal sense. Ramayan teaches us to understand the value and importance of marriage and devotion as an example.

[@ajjsingh8205]

The Turbanator

[@maninderjeetsingh4251]

Bl00dAndThunder U clearly dont know anything about Sanatan Dharam Have a good day 👍🏽

[@shabaddeepsingh6577]

May Satguru Bless you veera for what you do makes you stick out of millions like a true Sikh...Dont ever forget that.

[@GurjeetSingh-fe7ph]

A smart, blessed and pure role model. Miss you brother!! You have Changed my life.

[@gurkarandhillon3420]

Jagraj Singh wasn't joking, when you go to his facebook profile has political views really do say "Philosopher Kings", LOL!

[@sakurakuran93]

Super Singh how can the ancient Greek philosophers study the sahib when they lived almost 1500 before the sahib ji was written?

[@gurkarandhillon3420]

The Guru Granth Sahib wasn't around 1500 years ago but the truth still was. The truth was lost thats why Guru ji came with the complete truth.

[@yunggaucho3534]

Sakura Morimoto the Greeks got their philosophy from Egypt...no Afrocentricisim Just facts

[@ManpreetSingh-hn9lw]

No point explaining or arguing him, if he's not ready to understand

[@princesingh2804]

It’s sad that I am getting to know you now but you will be alive in our hearts for forever bhai jagraj Singh ji

[@eillaar9670]

I haven’t found anyone who has beaten Sikhs in a debate or conversation sikhi just makes more sense

[@yuvrajsingh8960]

frrr

[@seemabains7692]

Enjoyed this discussion.. much more interesting than the usual debates you show.. Nice to see some level of philosophy being debated.

[@DionysosThanateros11]

This guy is great! I like how he debates respectfully!

[@xsukhrajx]

this guy collapsed on himself

[@TheTurbanatore]

I agree, he wasn't able to properly counter the pints Jagraj Singh was making. When he started to lose the debate he changes the subject and then starts comparing Jagraj Singh to Muslims becuase he simply just asked a question.

[@TupacCrooks]

11:03 stop doing this to yourself lol

[@LifeTrod]

this was a really good discussion. Respect.

[@darkbassi5911]

Love this guy. So gutted he passed 🙏🏽he did waheguru proud 🙏🏽

[@knownstranger2655]

At this point of age it's not easy to change his behaviour Take it easy folks .....

[@AJKHALSA]

Waheguru g

[@anoopsingh5700]

Absolutely brilliant mr.singh...

[@josa5112]

Waheguru 🙏

[@unbiased786]

Don't burn yourself out Jugraj mate. Handled the crowd so well.

[@manjindersingh41]

You were knowledable, humble and kind brother. You are missed!!!

[@amricksingh401]

Very very proud of you Baha'i jag raj veer Ji keep knocking them out with your super knowledge His just a big fool won't want to know about our guru sahib Ji Because he deeply know sikhi is the purest truthful in the whole world WAHEGURU WAHEGURU 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@jaspreetsingh5748]

Miss you jagraj bhaji.. 😔

[@OpenCorridor-en3ox]

Greek philosophers recognized th existence of the One God.

[@jaskaransingh0304]

Waheguru. Whether you believe or disbelieve, on both sides you will just have a fancyful story. For the Gurus, Gursikhs, Saints, and Realized beings they have a living experience of the Oneness for themselves. Clearly one can see that this body is just an accumulation of food and that the mind is an accumulation of impressions. What we truly are, What is truly immortal in us, is the Oneness(or God that is more commonly used but doesn't completely capture the description of the Oneness), the Oneness that is all pervading, all doing, all achieving, all experiencing. Sikhi is about connecting with that Oneness, which is immortal, and transcending your limited nature which is subject to time.

[@singhpawar6036]

Guru Granth Sahib ji is the only Sabad scripture on this planet duly written and sealed stamped by Gurus Sahib. As others are treated like a book and changed many a times according to priests wishes.

[@jeethanda]

the only good thing good about the gentleman talking about Greek Philosophers, is that , at least he's trying to listen to the answer unlike our muslim brothers in all the other BOS videos ..

[@tiaberry4652]

I don't think I'd be able to handle that man waving his finger in my face.....

[@yahooveskin6019]

Jagraj Singh is an example to us all. Vaheguru

[@bkhahra]

the gentleman is in a state of confusion. ... he just wants to pick and choose as per his likings. ......

[@daryl0784]

U hv done great work... Bt i wish to see advantages of street parchar. Is it benefited in parchar or just arguments??

[@Batrapapa]

You great bhagi, carry on

[@ThatGuy-pr5on]

10:26 "he MIGHT have talked about it, he MIGHT have talked about it". Dude your a greek philosopher you of all people should know this!

[@rexsingh2780]

I had wished for him to live longer and become a good role model for youth

[@myworldmusic3426]

Very interesting. I have recently entered a spiritual phase in my life and I am very open to spiritual teachings that come from different cultures and traditions. My feeling is that there is NOT one tradition that is valid and others that are not. I totally share the Sikh view that you have very well presented when you have explained the Sikh creed but I felt a bit uncomfortable when you assertively said "I believe in the ten Gurus and not in Plato, Confucius and Aristotle". Now, what is obvious to me is that these three philosophers had a clear connection with the same entity that the Gurus had. Why should we put a barrier between them or between the Gurus and, say, some shiamanic spirituality of pre-history? If God operates in the way you said, is not more reasonable to think that God found a way to reveal its "will" in every historical period ? Do we doubt the power of God in doing that? Do we doubt that he/she/it found a way to reveal himself to humanity in every tradition according to the culture and spirit of the time? Every religion (except the misguided ones like scientology or the Jehova witnesses, but maybe even those can offer a path, at least in a negative way) offer a door that, potentially, gives access to human liberation which equates to the ultimate moral and spiritual connection with the One that you are talking about. The problem of present day religions is that they do not recognize this obvious truth, because they are trapped in their cultural traditions (the difference between Monolatrism and Monotheism is pertinent here). These traditions become reified to a point that their path of spiritual enlightment, the breach into and beyond that door, is not possible. To use a metaphor, religions and spiritual traditions are like rooms with doors in the palace of God. All the doors lead to the Ultimate room and the palace is One. Gurus, philosophers and sages of all times have pointed to the doors and moral/ ethical paths to enter that ultimate door. However, sadly, most people chose to stay in their rooms, their limited traditions thinking that that room is the only room in the palace! Withouth the recognition of the palace of God they will never been peace because people will always consider their reclusiveness in their rooms as the path to God...Nontheless, I suspect that you would agree with me especially when you were asked to the man if "Aristotle and Plato believed in God" ... and the answer was, of course, yes they did.

[@sifatbains2215]

Indeed.

[@JaskiratSingh-sq6uy]

We know that you can go to god even if you don’t follow Sikhism. But we believe that every other religion has parts of the truth and Sikhism has the complete truth (truth of god). You can be liberated from this world while following another religion, but Sikhism shows the direct and righteous path towards god. Thank you for giving your perspective as it has helped to expand my understanding of my own religion and others as well

[@bajwa7899]

paji please Punjabi subtitles add kr dea kro!!!

[@kshatriyapa]

Confucius wasn't Greek. He was Chinese.

[@tigertiger5050]

😇🙏

[@amangrayfilms1538]

This is a topic that needs to be discussed further. Arguing on the streets about Aristotle vs the Guru's isn't useful. Before watching this video, I've pondered on this point about Aristotle vs the Guru's teachings. This is an important topic. It isn't as shallow of a topic that can be brushed off with 1 KZbin video on the streets.

[@j2dragon109]

The ending was... +Basics of Sikhi Would you mind if I tried to explain what I think he was trying to say?

[@bhaisupreetsingh]

He got owned! lol

[@MandeepSingh-vv3io]

How does meditation exactly work its so hard to do it

[@sandyk1658]

You can hear the people behind the white dude booing haha

[@GurtejSGrewal]

Dhan Guru Dhan Gursikhi

[@internet_internet]

This was great! Still trying to learn about Christianity first.

[@randocalthewebaccount8595]

May GOD bless that older man. in christianity that older man could be akin to jesus healing the blind man. 9 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. I belive the sikh tradition is very blessed by the holy spirit in his holy oneness. may they find Jesus

[@jvis2113]

👍

[@seanhutchinson5867]

Rip bhai jagraj singh ji pick this old mn apart. Never studied the gurus but judging them lol 🙈

[@masterzoroaster6908]

As Sikhs I think it's important to be tolerant of people who cannot have faith in a G-d - and accept that they're at least trying to study Aristotle, Plato and Confucius and get enlightened somehow. Not everyone is born with faith in a Creator and some choose to become Atheists after years of fear based approach to religion (Not like Sikhi, I know... a very different type of Spirituality than others) which is why I'm saying if you're a Sikh be more tolerant of those who have no faith at all and see that they can also reach Nirvana, since after all if the man came saying that he's a Buddhist and follower of the Buddha's philosophy which was also atheistic it would've been more accepted... but not everyone is blessed with faith in even the Buddha or Jainism which are both atheistic religions with extremely high ethical standards.

[@masterzoroaster6908]

Also, another thought of mine, was that... if Sikhi is tolerant of other religions claiming it's the same G-d/Waheguru who inspired them and is worshipped by them, since the GGS uses Hindu names for G-d and Allah in it thus making it a universal path to spirituality then by this standard atheists should also be accepted and tolerated as seekers of truth since the Buddha was an atheist and other Jain spiritual giants were atheists yet attained an enormous level of awareness and non-attachment state and Guru Nanak adopted the Buddhist concept of Nirvana in his writings proving that the Buddha's teachings also had some validity to them... so if Christ is seen as a saint, then what about the Buddha? You can't tell me that the Buddha didn't make it to Paradise and Bliss after leading such a pure life only because he didn't believe in a deity... which is why you can't judge for Waheguru and separate the theist from the atheist... a lot of times atheists are closer to Sikhi because they don't have the fear based outlook on G-d whereas Christians and Muslims have a deity they created in their own image... as Satpal Singh called it - mr.G-d... unlike Christ who preached that the kingdom of heaven is within us all... atheist and theist alike... and since both Islam and Sikhi claim that this Creator is indescribable and unfathomable then maybe they who are self proclaimed atheists are best acquainted with him because they lack a mental image or colored lenses through which they view that Creator and are able to experience Him/Her/It better without impressing their own ideals/ideas upon Him/Her/It... Just my $0.02.

[@jasbeersingh1803]

I think Jugraj brought up a good point where is plato getting this from, it could be got it from Zeus.

[@peaceformind627]

Miss you Jugraj Singh bro😢

[@koevirel8350]

I just found out about him passing away and it broke my heart. I'm so sorry for your loss 😭

[@masterzoroaster6908]

P.S. That Ginger atheist chap making fun of the man who followed Aristotle, Plato and Confucius was acting out in ignorance, since maybe the man who followed the Ancient Philosophers would reincarnate and become a Sikh in his next life after this encounter with Jagraj, but the ginger atheist was refuting sikhi claiming it's the same as any other school of thought and also humiliating the man who had genuine doubt due to his own lack of faith in G-d.

[@supinderkaurkhalsa1802]

As that philosophers want logics for everything... But they can't understand that Sikh Gurus are beyond all the logics... Bcoz every single word of Sri Jaap Sahib gives all the answers..

[@darshansinghdarshan7842]

So........We won?

[@Mojo-vu4hr]

when they bring out Confucius you should bring out CHANAKYA...who influenced Sun TZU , COnfucious and the likes

[@maxk8396]

Jugraj was a gangster I’m a Muslim and have much respect for this brother

[@deepsenpai6871]

The simple thing is you can't judge anybody unless you know it. You have no right to debate on a topic unless you know about both ends.

[@mariomorais1974]

Of course is not sure all of books are very confusing

[@anoopsingh5700]

Where Aristotle ends...god begins...🤣🤣🤣

[@jagramansingh440]

if Christian preaching can go home to home. sikhi parchar should be door to door and also street debates also

[@TheTurbanatore]

NO, Sikhs should NOT go door to door. It will only end up irritating people and pushing them further away from Sikhi. I don't think we should be following most Christian preaching tactics because they simply don't work, the decline of Christanity in recent years is proof of this. Basics of Sikhi should stick to there current tactics of only talking to people who are interested and want to learn be because that's what gets people into Sikhi, not going door to door.

[@SinghDynamite]

Going by your theory we should only prepare the langar and serve the langar to ourselves who understand the concept of langar. No my friend we should take the langar to the ones are in most need of it regardless of wether they understand. This is how Sikhi will grow and how the world will discover the gem which has been hidden from them.

[@guruword8378]

that's what Christians and Muslims do as they want converts we don't

[@hollowwxlf9640]

Sikhs don't convert people.

[@amritsingh862]

Jugraj singh miss you brother

[@dickllarge6838]

Lol..the white guy clearly looks like his mind is suffering with anger..he definitely needs to learn teachings of the gurus..

[@Mojo-vu4hr]

ARISTOTLE studied in South India ....and is the basis of all philosophical thought in West

[@jonron3805]

3:30 "Each human has an equal potential to connect to god"- I do not believe so and science is showing that it is not so. Different people have different mental makeups to excel in various aspects of the being. Spirituality is another aspect and different people have different abilities to be spiritual. A Guru Nanaks level or spirituality cannot be compared to that of a common man.

[@skang420]

To debate the old man correctly, one gotta really listen to his argument. He understands how ethics is related to actions & habits from reading plato & aristotle, but further needs probing deeper for instance, into cause & effect, the question of free will etc. ultimately leading to 'hukam'. As a sikh, although I personally believe the sikh philosophy is deeper than plato's but yet I am sorry to say this debate wasn't very intellectual. Needs real philosophers.

[@PaulSinghSelhi-VFX-TUTORIALS]

The Universe is The Totality. The Totality is the WaheGuru. The WaheGuru is Energy..Energy Is Information. Modern Physics has come to accept the Mool Mantar. The Universe did not bang..there was nothing to go bang and nothing to bang into. The Universe, The Totality, The WaheGuru... expanded. The WaheGuru did not 'make' the suns and the planets, physics did. The WaheGuru just set the staring conditions and the rules. EVERYTHING IS THE WAHEGURU. Ik- There is ONE(Ik) reality, the origin and the source of everything. The creation did not come out of nothing. When there was nothing, there was ONE, Ik. Onkaar- When Ik becomes the creative principal it becomes Onkaar. Onkaar manifests as visible and invisible phenomenon. The creative principle is not separated from the created, it is present throughout the creation in an unbroken form, 'kaar'. Satnaam- The sustaining principle of Ik is Satnaam, the True Name, True Name.EXSISTENCE Kartaa Purakh- Ik Onkaar is Creator and Doer (Kartaa) of everything, all the seen and unseen phenomenon. It is not just a law or a system, it is a Purakh, a Person. Nirbhau- That Ik Onkaar is devoid of any fear, because there is nothing but itself. Nirvair- That Ik Onkaar is devoid of any enmity because there is nothing but itself. Akaal Moorat- That Ik Onkaar is beyond Time (Akaal) and yet it is existing. Its a Form(Moorat) which does not exist in Time. Ajooni- That Ik Onkaar does not condense and come into any birth. All the phenomenon of birth and death of forms are within it. Saibhang- That Ik Onkaar exists on its own, by its own. It is not caused by anything before it or beyond it. Gurprasaad- That Ik Onkaar is expresses itself through a channel known as Guru and it is only its own Grace and Mercy (Prasaad) that this happens. Ik­oaʼnkār saṯ nām karṯā purakẖ nirbẖa­o nirvair akāl mūraṯ ajūnī saibẖaʼn gur parsāḏ. One Universal Creator. The Name Is Exsistence.Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace

[@princesspat5239]

i dont like how so many people point at him :(

[@riyanaik4229]

greek philosophers were said to travel to india to learn about philosophy from hindus.

[@theatrelac]

Willful ignorance from the guy asking questions - at least he spoke with Jagraj Singh Ji and hopefully learned something in the long run.

[@invisiblechurch3855]

The allegory of the cave is about mystical experience, that is too obvious.

[@user-vc1uy7cg9j]

too much knowledge

[@guruword8378]

you shouldn't do prachar to people like them but people who want to learn

[@humanfirst6085]

Jugraj made logical points, when he countered other guy, he tried to blame Jugraj instead of putting his argument with logic.

[@whitstable11]

pompous atheism sure is trendy

[@Urbancohort337]

Western Civ is Aristotle & Plato are you mad what about all the other great thinkers.

[@jazsingh27]

English bloke’s EGOOOOOO running wild

[@jasminekaur1568]

plato believed in a god , and aristotle believed in the idea of a prime mover so even if u were to argue u dont need a religion, u still would end up believing in a god by following their beliefs. its such a silly argument, like u dont need greek philosophers for ethics and moral values either.he is just name dropping random philosophers here and there. on top of that, the allegory of the cave is this idea of the elitism of philosophers which is exactly what the guy argues against. im just confused as to what his point was. both aristotle and plato have totally diff views on the idea of a form of good vs a prime mover. but yet he uses both as what to follow.

[@khushwantsingh5212]

He got beaten by his very own comments.

[@bendassut6533]

There is no religion there is only god

[@deepsingh2807]

@universe gossips we sikh believe in science also because gurus also believe in science. This is main specialty of our religion.

[@Harjotsingh-hk3zb]

Veer ji you should have gave the man to speak a bit more 🙃 at least to ask a question. But i understand the frustration of speakers corner. Benti parwaan karni. Bhul chuk maaf!

[@TheTurbanatore]

10:30 Jagraj Singh asked him a simple question, he gave a short answer and then he starts comparing Jagraj Singh to the Muslims. So basically according to him asking a simple question makes you like a Muslim...

[@Harjotsingh-hk3zb]

The Turbanator Agree veer ji!

[@pkbalram640]

Wait wait.. He was a muslim too.. Lol

[@DeepsinghGill]

This old grampy fart is annoying. Bhai jugraj singh is always right.

[@Davinderkumar-pd7ot]

Sorry, but are you only follows the 10 Gurus. In Guru Granth sahib there are a lot more Gurus like Satguru Kabir ji Maharaj, Satguru Baba Farid ji, Satguru Ravidas ji, and many more. Most of sikh parcharrak ignor them while Calling them Bhagats and don't give them much respect. I really watch regular Videos From all sikh parcharraks they all are Same.

[@weebdesu4973]

Because they are bhagata and not on same level as sat guru

[@harnoor7135]

They call them bhagats bec they are bhagats dude. Can't call them satguru!!

[@Davinderkumar-pd7ot]

Satguru Kabir ji and Satguru Ravidas ji Maharaj They have more Bani in Guru Granth Sahib. And what do U mean that they not Same level than another 10 gurus?? What is the defenation of a Gur?? Thats how Even Gurus like Kabir ji Ravidas ji are discriminated..

[@harnoor7135]

@@Davinderkumar-pd7ot Dude really? So you are saying that if they have their verses in SGGS maharaj, then they are a Guru too? Really?!

[@Davinderkumar-pd7ot]

Yes i think that i believe that. That they are Gurus too. It depends how U See them i believe they are Gurus too. Millions who follow Guru Ravidas Ji Satguru Kabir ji, Baba Farid ji Ask them, what they think. If U think that they have not same level as 10 another Guru sahiban. Then U scould think again. Ja dir kise siane bande ton, Guru di denifation puchho ji...

[@pkbalram640]

Chandra Gupta was a sikh. Lol..

[@cjtnegrete]

He's intolerable. I don't like when people point their fingers at me

[@masterzoroaster6908]

Also, if Waheguru is without fear than He/It doesn't fear if humans refuse to believe in Him/It... and if Waheugur is without hatred, then it's impossible for Him/It to hate humans that are atheists... so who's to say that it wasn't Waheguru Himself/Itself that led that man to pursue understanding the world around him and becoming ethical through Aristotle/Plato and Confucius... and even if he leads his family to study the same school(s) of thought who's to say they won't meet a GurSikh on campus and adopt a Sikh Spirituality... so either way... none of us can judge atheists... Reality is not black and white...

[@stephenclarke3990]

Never mind Aristotle, 🤣 I was told Sikhism was simply a movement created for high cast Hindus. Is this true❓

[@ruffrider4986]

Not true, it is all about equality. Equality of caste, creed and gender … ~600 years ago, think about that for a while please.

[@RajSinghBrit]

Someone who has studied philosophy as part of an undergraduate PPE degree is likely to have a very limited understanding of the Greek philosophers - as many say, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing...and reciting scriptures word perfect is not a sign that the person understands the meaning of them....Jagraj, display some humility in these exchanges

[@basicsofsikhi]

Veerji, if you could point out where I was being arrogant, that would be helpful. Hyde park is actually quite stressful as other people often antagonise the situation. In this case, the ginger haired English guy did his best to disrupt a friendly conversation

[@user-fo8fs3eq5j]

R Singh Eat shit theres my humility bitch

[@RajSinghBrit]

Jagraj, sorry, I didn't want to suggest you were being arrogant. I think much of the work you guys are doing is fantastic...I guess my concern is that we should avoid being too confrontational with people who don't follow or agree with the Sikh faith. Other faiths (especially Islam) use terms such as unbelievers to describe anyone who doesn't follow their faith and we don't want to go down that route.

[@RajSinghBrit]

123, I guess you didn't study at Oxford?

[@masterzoroaster6908]

The ginger haired English guy (an atheist from another vid) was humiliating the man you were having a conversation with--the one that got his inspiration from the philosophers... but then again the Buddha was also a philosopher... would it have been any different had he come claiming to be an atheist following the Buddha?

[@alphaomega7310]

Stop talking save the turtles...