Carnage Plus EP97 - More Supermang Problems!

[@FuManchu5ltr]

Scotty dismantles that block having a chat like a nanna doing knitting and sipping a cup of tea.

[@jrbuch]

I love all the 6 cylinder boosted content you guys are making. LS's are great, but have been done to death. 1JZ and the L67 are really very interesting performance platforms, real left of center choices.

[@jeffwilliam7500]

Bahaha 6cyl sux

[@chrismclean8211]

Love supermang!!! Can’t wait till she starts pulling some good numbers at the track. Stick it up the mang haters 😝🤘

[@vr350]

I've run a 12.9 et with my l67 vx commy with basic mods and e85 and will only get quicker. Imo they are quick with the right mods. There's guys over the 500rwhp mark with an M90.

[@captain1334]

@@ldnwholesale8552 the 304 is a good idea but the ls mot so much as they are over done on youtube mate

[@markhoey]

@@ldnwholesale8552 obviously you haven’t driven or worked on many 304’s lol....

[@ESISTTIGER]

@@vr350 your absolutely right and then there are guys that go balls out and chuck either an m122 or Whipple on it and hit 700hp and just cause controversy everywhere Turbos take em even further

[@danielspencer1973]

Back in the day I used a machine shop to resize and align my rods with new bearings and check the crank for balance and clearance. It wasn't really expensive and gave me peace of mind. Good luck Scotty, if it results in carnage that's okay, that's the name of your show.🤪💥😎

[@FuManchu5ltr]

Someone’s done a TAFE course on filming. Great work by the camera person. Even had a fancy eye twitching shifter filmed from interesting angles.

[@wobblysauce]

Yep.. had some dolly movments.

[@5150gino]

How about a C.O.M.E, 4.2ltr bottom end!?

[@moogz2478]

I've done numerous tests on mains bolts before and an increase of 10Nm reduces the bearing clearance by an average of 0.010mm from top to bottom. Side clearances didn't change much. The main issue with using a torque setting is the error caused by friction in the threads and under the head of the bolt, this is why ARP recommends using a specific lube and strain gauge to get the correct tensile clamp force. And yes, it is highly recommended to resize the bores if using "non-OEM standard" bolts due to the changes in sizes as mentioned.

[@ktmdukestuff2694]

The camera work in this episode is awesome

[@tmmtmm]

yo dawg I heard you like panning shots

[@brendo7363]

Nice camera work. I like how Scotty isn't alone in this video, he seems to be alone a lot of the time.

[@paulnorth9107]

Carnage is the game......just put some bearings in and go hard!!!

[@stevessaws3612]

Agreed, then you don't have to clean inside either.

[@ToughGarage]

New video style is spot on guys. Much much more enjoyable. Well done

[@dizzyborden3618]

Hey Scotty, you've opened a can of worms there. "Dream Motor" time.

[@thewraith6360]

A shoelace and some metal polish works mint!

[@FizzaMC]

Keep em coming Scotty. Loving the Mang vids 🚗 💨

[@mediocre_moto]

Scotty, have you thought about getting a longer 3/8" ratchet and breaker bar? Watching you hang of those short ones is making me nervous, just waiting for your knuckles to smash into something! Great video, keep up the excellent work fellas!

[@STREETMACHINETV]

I could have grabbed the longer bar and 1/2" drive socket but couldn't be stuffed

[@gavinb9627]

@@STREETMACHINETV Famous last words of many an injured worker

[@JayGuitars1]

@@STREETMACHINETV like the rest of the build. Ffs, who do you work for? Heck I gotta shovel 3 tonnes of bitumen tomorrow just so I can have the spare change to buy your mag( for the last 31yrs), wanna swap?

[@STREETMACHINETV]

@@JayGuitars1 yeah, not really. Okay, I'll do better.

[@MafiaboysWorld]

The one type of stud you were missing Scotty was CA625 aka Custom Age. 👍 Good for drag spec and no limit budgets, but for street/strip the HP2000's are fine. I got ARP 2000 main studs, head studs, rod bolts and flex plate bolts in/on Crustida's motor. 😎

[@warrickdyson2281]

I believe the rod bolts he’s talking about are L19, and ca625 is there studs which are also stupidly strong haha

[@MafiaboysWorld]

@@warrickdyson2281 Ahh yeah, the L19s. Dumbass Maf. 🤦 You're totally right Warrick. 😁👌 Great correction, completely forgot about those F'ers. 👍

[@cobraxspeed]

Great content as usual. didn't even get my hands dirty.

[@markhoey]

Can’t say I’m overly surprised at an L67 with stuffed bearings, seems to be a common theme with any of them that I have had contact with personally. But this is carnage right? New bearings and send it Scotty. The thing I love the most about what you do is showing people what can be done with an average budget and not just opting for the “fully built 10k engine”

[@paulieurlich7386]

Love it....no coming back from the no-ledge

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

That breaker bar is the shifter of the breaker bar world.

[@hakathompson3866]

Love the camera work. Getting fancy🤙

[@dank5432]

Shouldn't have checked. Linish crank with wet and dry and stick some shells in it, it's not as if you don't have another block if the rods come out

[@gregmcnamara2563]

Different deck heights

[@dank5432]

@@gregmcnamara2563they have 2 supercharged v6's. The vn v6 is different as you said.

[@joeljoel6236]

Scotty, if you have a lathe just linish it yourself and plastigauge you’re clearances on assembly. And while the rods are out at a minimum you may as well give it a hand hone and throw some new rings in it. At least you’ll have more of a chance at having somewhat even cylinder pressures. It’s by no means a blueprint engine but it’s a cheap exercise at least it’ll all be uniform

[@mitchellspencer4726]

New camera man is awesome! Sound quality seems much better aswell and doesn’t seem like you are shouting/talking loudly at the camera. Your voice sounds much more relaxed even though you are clearly frustrated after your findings😂 I’ve in the same scenario right now ...Brought a parts car for a motor that had top end “rebuilt” (motor did actually run well) pulled motor out and decided to regasket bottom end as it was leaking and pulled sump and decided to check rod bearings... let’s just say basically everything in the very bottom is now in the bin 😅😅

[@maxrockatanksyOG]

Camera is on point Lads! I do love a boosted lil 3.8 Buick (built a twin turbo VR V6 with a 4.0lt stroker)

[@Shanes_Shed]

We’ve all tried to avoid opening that can of worms. I would love to put a new top end in my 454, but then I figure if I’ve gone that far then I might as well do the bottom end at the same time. And if you do all that then a crate motor is starting to look appealing...

[@dandewar8403]

Whack the pistons out and put extra ring gap in, these motors are common for breaking ring lands when the boost is upped. Chuck in some bearings and send it. Love the mang episodes boys

[@dandewar8403]

p.s I’m running a L67 in me Bedford van👍🏻

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Can't say I've heard about them smashing ring lands, but thanks for the tip.

[@dandewar8403]

@@STREETMACHINETV the ring lands breaking pops up quite a bit on the Facebook pages. We all thought it was just crap cast pistons before we learnt about proper ring gap. Now there’s guys running 600hp on stock bottom ends with ring gap.

[@87xfute]

Sorry Scotty, but I told you so !! Having said that haha, yes I'd go rings and bearing and get some 2000 grit paper, cut it into strips and give the crank a linish at the workshop, you don't have to send everything out to be done, think old school mate, and when linishing with 2000 grit use kero on the paper because it's a slight abrasive and a lubricant !! Just remember mate, you can do a lot of this work yourself, it'll make great videos. Seeya Rob..............hope you and the family are all well mate.

[@bryceybigcashews5888]

Needed the “oh no, oh no, oh no” sound track!!

[@trevorhunter374]

Great video boy’s New camera work was great . Just repair what was broken, and recycle the rest. Don’t blow the budget

[@nickspall4552]

Under bed storage box works great for catching oil and coolant underneath the engine on the engine stand

[@xozindustries7451]

Can you pull the crank out of the old motor and use it in the new motor? Also open up your ring gaps! Good work Scotty!

[@paulcost6446]

Was about to say the same thing

[@bigal878]

If those big end bearing shells are not staying in the rods id bet there is a lack of crush... Strip the engine, dunny brush hone, new rings, new bearings at a minimum and then bolt all your other good bits on and send it... Or Go all in and full rebuild... Either way I’m sure you will entertain us 👍🏻

[@DarrenCoull]

Four (very) expensive words: "While I'm in there..."

[@silkysixx]

I love the way you explained project creep. It happens to all of us. We need you, Scotty, to lead the way as a beacon of sensible light and just bodge the whole thing in the garage! Prove to us that it can be done and our wallet can stay safe and happy in our pockets. 240 ksi bolts sound pretty impressive, but they hold bridges up with 150 ksi bolts and I've seen a lot of broken rods but not many loosened big end bolts that caused them. At the end of the day, I trust SAE over ARP and believe that 150 ksi is plenty to keep the big end closed up. Plus, unless you're torquing them up to about 100-150 Nm, it's hard to take advantage of that tensile strengh. Just by the by, shear strength is the side-on force they can take before being ripped in half - more applicable to a gudgeon pin than any engine bolt. Keep the simple stuff simple, save brain space, and decrease your cognitive load to reduce mistakes. Example: could just number the big end caps 1-6 from the front to the back.

[@phillipkehoe8002]

Love the “all the rags in the shop” clean up method

[@STREETMACHINETV]

old dry rags are handy for that.

[@bvward]

@@STREETMACHINETV Were those my Wife's knickers?

[@dinosshed]

I don't think keen was very kian to keen up that mess... I'll show myself out

[@Doc_in_the_carpet_truck]

@@dinosshed need the boom boom tish sound effect........ try the veal👍🍺

[@vr350]

Linish crank ,mains and big end bearings and send it. What are you doing in regards to the supercharger porting and elbow? Decent gains to be had there.

[@chrisobrien9334]

Great episode lads. Keep the new camera person. There very good. Who’s cleaning up the Mess?? Ian with a K lol lol 😂

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Someone we're trialling. I agree he did a good job with filming and editing

[@ronaldn6609]

@@STREETMACHINETV You know what comes after a new camera person, makeup and wardrobe department.

[@goosesgarage6666]

The Ryobi product placement was on an epic scale.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Not really, they're bloody handy tools

[@goosesgarage6666]

At 6:30 it looked like you were in a ryobi shop🤣 I thought it had to be deliberate.

[@Twenty_Six_Hundred]

3.8L's always detonate due to bottom end bearing failure. I would be doing it properly if planing on keep it. But like you said once you start digging you end up 4k deep. Im a Ford man and love the i6 but L67's aren't too bad when looked after

[@downtheshedwithbyron]

What a bummer boys im looking forward to see it going. My kids and I have just put a $500 td42 into an old patrol we hope it runs haha Take it easy boys 👍

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Fingers crossed!

[@justanotherguy9664]

At the end of the day, it is a supercharged engine with 200k on it. New bearings and rings are almost a certainty.

[@jimclarke1108]

Great condition for an old commodore, keep the numbers with it

[@abccba3903]

If the bolts are made from a higher yield strength material then of course they will need more tightening torque to get the desired bolt stretch.

[@zachs8652]

Just do what I do... put new big end bearing in , high volume oil pump and high zinc oil and send it. The junk I “rebuilt” has stood the test of time. Haha Love the show guys!

[@guyharrison909]

Scotty you need a wall of shame where all of the rooted parts are displayed. Each project could have a section, Supermang might take up a bit of real estate.

[@rodneydolman1]

400k the big ends are allowed to be a bit ordinary,..

[@jakesimpson64]

Felt that $4000 later in my soul. If I'm doing head gaskets anyway I may as well get heads, and if I'm doing heads I should do an intake while I'm at it, and while the engines out....

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

I like the way you take care with the cam, really pisses me off seeing people be rough with soft cam bearings.

[@Low760]

Rings gapped,(have new ones ready to go) hone the bores, linish and balance the crank. That being said, the 1j probably doesn't look flash inside but you're not looking at that!

[@brown_bear]

To answer all your questions at the end.....YES to the lot. That way you will not regret NOT doing it.

[@matthewwall6722]

This video is looking like a Hagerty Redline rebuild update just a cheaper aussie version haha, love the camera work but love the supermang vids. Scotty knowing is better then not knowing build it right to drive it hard

[@SirDaffyD]

It wouldn't be Carnage without finding problems. Keep the great videos coming guys.

[@dinosshed]

I can fix this for you Scotty, just remember it's not a space shuttle and nobody is going to the moon on it. Just give the journals a buff with some polish, new bearings and leave it at that. There's just no point going full build on something that isn't making 1,500hp.

[@bry40l]

Mate I'm going through the same with a sohc 4.0 with an m112. Re-ring and hone, linish the crank and new bearings, deck the block and resend the fucker. Gap the rings for the higher boost while you're there.

[@ziggassedup]

Swap cranks mate...New bearings and close your eyes...

[@jamesbaylis9438]

Nice work with the camera, must be someone new to Carnage workshop. Bad luck with the crank, but if you don't want to find trouble, then don't go looking

[@HazeyAuto]

The boys having a go at a local version of Engine Masters. Love the Easter Egg of Scotty picking up a “Shiffda”. Out of interest- the Carnage + episodes used to be little short episodes that were less than ten minutes long, now they’re the length of a normal Carnage video. What’s the difference between a Plus and a regular Carnage episode?

[@dvorcemkrmotorsports8835]

F☆☆k yeah, Wake up from for Crap & now stuck there for 23+ minutes longer to watch this...👌 Happy to only have to wait under 5 minutes to see Scotty use a Shifter in the Video, Keep up the good work guys, Ian with "K" you need to learn the ways of the "Shifter"

[@change_your_oil_regularly4287]

My money is on the old engine rod bearings being shagged due to the 400,000+km of L67 P-plater life and not due too the rod bolt change. Disclaimer: I know less than nothing about everything so my opinion is worth about as much but I like to comment to help the channel with the KZbin "algorithm"

[@rcscaler78]

May as well pull the crank & have it linished. Chances are the main bearings are in similar condition

[@joelfrancis5391]

U know the answer. It never stops.

[@5533851]

Dealing with non Japanese engines sucks sometimes! If it was an RB30 on LPG with 420k on the clock those bearings would still be mint, lol!

[@davidwindsor4632]

It is out may as well get it done. Block check. New pistons. Rods. Bearings ready to send.

[@akaitv6606]

Bearings plus hones , all good .

[@blissgaming7559]

Should’ve stuck to the barras haha😅try boosting an eco boost fg motor from the falcon see what there like compared to the normal turbocharged big Barra motor :) would be a good project

[@davidbarnsley8486]

Scottie the best thing about the supra mang is the mags on it Each one is worth a carton of beer and that’s all it’s worth Mate just bang it back together it’s just not worth wasting your time on it Get back on the old valiant 😍😍👍👍

[@LRogan520]

Damn -has to be done though, least you'll know it's fine, crank is good, bearings etc..

[@dougyboote]

I recon linish the crank new bearings and then wind some boost into it

[@aussiefirestorm]

This is Carnage, just send it Scotty. Full rebuild? Where is the fun in that. Just a bit of Lucas oil stabilizer for pre lube and of ya go....

[@mrivantchernegovski3869]

Gotta linish the crank "FUCK" classic

[@julianthorpe765]

Get both cranks check then use the best one . Do the rods too . It's a worthy project car

[@rheser]

Toyota Soarer in the background must be the new project Scotty was talkomg about⁉️

[@manitoublack]

You know the saying: 'Poor man pay's twice.' Do it right, at least this second time.

[@markchappy6282]

I'd throw the 180k one back together as cheap as possible prove what a stocker can do an start building the high kms one with rods pistons for full send party mode 😉

[@darrenpowell8229]

May as well do full rebuild now better than destroying the motor later on with more boost and having to start from scratch the L67’s are becoming harder to find

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

Those bearing look right for the klms / oil changes they have on them, doesn't look any signs of cap distortion that I can see.

[@billystergiopoulos8025]

For people to tell you check the rod bearings means they know that they'd be chewed out then again you could've left it alone then 2 months down the track do it again...that's your thing Scotty

[@GTFORDMAN]

another engine for supermang? those turbo Ford boys have done a dozen pulls already lol but i guess your in uncharted waters since no one has found a way to make a Holden fast reliably hahaaha

[@jamie19881000]

Wile it’s all out and apart may as well do the work on it. That’s my theory. Preventive maintenance 👌

[@lsgemini7686]

Stroker crank incoming

[@sourwords1808]

I dunno who's Mrs was recording, they did a great job 😉👍

[@STREETMACHINETV]

They did filming and editing on this one

[@sourwords1808]

@@STREETMACHINETV excellent work!

[@panagiotis1519]

What about the special GM sealant for those head studs? It works for the factory?

[@fauxthree24]

Great video Scotty Are the VS and VT L67 cranksharfts much different?

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Didn't notice any differences

[@fauxthree24]

Might be able to use the better one

[@jonathon_bradford]

Have you got a new camera person? Looking slick

[@neilperry2224]

So that bearing was a bearing of bad news..lol

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

Some thread sealants don't go hard. They always remain a firm liquid.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Unfortunately it also wept a bit

[@Adon.Y]

Surely someone sponsor Scotty a decent breaker bar !

[@1959VWBeetle]

Ah, the dreaded can of worms. If the crank can get away with a cork belt polish then new std size bearings n good to go. If cross hatching still clearly visible then just new rings. You know the rest Scotty. So long as it's not badly hurt then a few budget refresh items n send it. Probably still be good for another 200k 😉

[@7071t6]

Hey scotty, i hope your using old school mechanical measuring tools and not the digital type, they are a lot more accurate. :) Also Scotty mate why not use a engineering scribing tool to mark what you need that texta is just going to come straight off mate? Also why not use the plastic slip measuring slips used to check clearances in-between various caps when doing the torqueing up of various areas with in the motor?

[@STREETMACHINETV]

It's just temporary marking it for me, not meant to be permanent

[@matt.ja90]

Can't you just swap the crank if the other one is fine?

[@stevetold1519]

Full rebuild mate....

[@wingoson]

My machine shop only charges $100 to polish a crank (v8's) small price to pay for the piece of mind..

[@deankdx]

if you look you will find me time after time... Cindy Lauper singing about engines possibly

[@JohnWood302]

Cleanup in isle V6!!

[@craigdallimore4396]

Stroke it and FEED IT.

[@The_Performance_Laboratory]

Sorry about your luck... but after seeing how the bearings were in the old engine, would you be able to sleep at night if you didn't inspect the bearings in the "new" engine? P.S. I'd lend you my stretch gauge if you weren't 15,000 km away...

[@stevessaws3612]

You should check the ring gap. Engine looks pretty black inside for 180k you don't want too much blow by 😂😂😂

[@bvward]

Good luck, Scott!

[@jmyd83]

be advised open up fir an unwanted surprise 😂 that's all they mangs escaping