Carnage - Drag Challenge Ute Part-15 - Sealing Fire Rings and Copper Gaskets

With a build intended to make big power we need to get very serious about sealing in the power, and to do that we need to use solid copper head gaskets and fire rings. It's a pretty involved procedure, so grab a cold on and check out what's involved.
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[@nicl1336]

those sound effects on the spanner torque wrench haha love it

[@black7rc720]

I wanna see Scotty's right arm calibration certificate 😅

[@CRFLAus]

Matt is great at his job!

[@nicl1336]

guarantee it'll come back within spec @@black7rc720

[@Hadenough16066B]

Man that 3 bond going to squeeze out everywhere into everything. Sometimes less is more.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

It's not as much as everyone thinks. If it was truly too much, it would have oozed put everywhere, but it didn't

[@amounifnd]

@@STREETMACHINETV The issue comes when you torque it. Would be great if there was a anaerobic type or spray type sealant you could use. Pity they don't make the tie bars where you could at least tighten up one side. Would make installing them easy on so many cars without lifting heads....Love that lil Kinchrome spanner torque wrench :)

[@bigal878]

Faaarrrkkk what a messy job. Years ago I used to run a methanol Holden 6 with a copper head gasket and I just used Copper gasket spray and then a few years later I used Hylomar spray and never had a leak. I suppose it wasn’t receiving the boost that your engine is going to get. Good luck.

[@mynameis63]

Whoa bro...easy on the goo.

[@azza9575]

One thing u should know about sealant is that when u have 2 flat mating surfaces it requires very litte sealant to cover everything

[@josephkelly4893]

Yes, and when you are sealing a head to a block with copper gaskets and fire rings you need the sealant to fill every little nook and cranny, this job is a lot different to bolting a timing cover to the front of your Yaris bloke

[@dazaspc]

I reckon I used less sealant when I rebuilt my boat. That said I have never used a 3Bond sealant that wasn't up to task. It also might be worth putting a filter sock in the top radiator hose. Dont want nuggets of cured sealant blocking up your radiator.

[@rustymonaro184]

Bloody hell scotty i would have ended uppercutting myself with those washers and bolts what a mess around . If i ever had the money for a engine like this i would be paying a engine builder after watching this video so thanks for this build video and the forewarning . Another top build video . I know you wouldn't waste your time, but i like going to the channel of people who complain about your videos and they either have no videos or the videos they do have are absolutely rubbish . Keep up the great work .

[@LRogan520]

That should surely be looked into as the dart block maybe revised as taking those heads would be hell of a chore especially in the car. Great patience, interesting the silicone on the head gaskets.

[@Billi-JaiKnight]

Haha I love the sound effects on the ol spanner torque wrench 😂

[@Mr.Lakesteel]

thats a lot of sealant 😳

[@hoonaticbloggs5402]

Enough to block a drainpipe

[@geoffhutchings]

Wondering should have use spray sealant🤷‍♂️

[@sfcustomcycles]

Faaaaaarq Scotty, that silastic gun made me feel like i was watching Haulass Garage for a minute :P Good work legend & keep charging on!

[@johnkirkilis34]

Beautiful piece of jewellery Scotty. Looking better every time.❤

[@dangdang3970]

I think one of the best things about this build series is showing blokes like me where i need to pay profesionals and what i can actually do myself, thanks scotty and team, keep up the great work 👌🤠👍

[@user-zx4xf1sb6k]

Not being a smart arse but when you did those crappie studs would have been easier to tip the motor on its side. On the stand.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

True

[@danielmcgregor8528]

Awesome job Scotty,but what a pain in the bum. Easy to see why engine builders are so busy,and worth every cent they charge. Keep it up mate,going to be a great combo when finished

[@Mikki_Tu]

Great ep as always Scotty, a few hopefully helpful tips for next time, apply the sealant to the gasket not the block, and roll the engine over onto its side to put the valley head nuts and washers on.

[@barra245t2]

I would have used the copper gasket seal aerosol can. And sprayed the gasket way less Mess.

[@Mikki_Tu]

@@barra245t2 same but Scott must have been told to use the 3Bond by one of the pro builders he knows.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

@@Mikki_Tu correct

[@zappy7393]

Love that you added in the torque beeps for the spanner, absolute class! Those holes you were clearing with the pick, I hope they aren't too important. They looked like coolant and oil galleries and if so, I'd be worried about sealant getting in there.

[@gfam2023]

Thanks mate , love your channel

[@serenitypillows61]

This is going to be a beast Scotty can't wait to see it bring you tears of joy

[@justinfargas2367]

Thanks for the update team. 😊

[@colinmiles9390]

Can’t wait to see this beast on the Dino and track. A superb build brother.

[@olibomb6560]

Never knew keeping in boost was so much effort. Very keen to see this come together 👍🏻

[@brucerichards9102]

Scotty, you're a marvel putting those heads on. Very awkward installation but you'll be smiling when you're burning rubber.

[@shanenorwell8580]

Awesome vid as always mate. This thing is going to be an absolute monster

[@Beer_Dad1975]

I also find working with quick set adhesives and sealants extremely stressful for some reason. In my head it's like in the movie when the seconds are counting down until the bomb goes off...

[@tukrbox]

Awesome vid guys 👍 I feel like those nuts and washers would've been a lot easier if you just turned the engine upside down on the stand? Maybe not, I'm no mechanic haha Keep up the good work Scotty 👌

[@1969Risky]

I love how Scotty just puts on a ton of sealant! I've not seen that Ryobi sealant gun before so I must check it out. Another good video Scotty, you might think it's tedious & boring but it makes for great reference when we have to do it ourselves.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

I bought one a few years ago - I've not used it for car applications, but I've done a lot of building & decorating work with it, and it's fantastic - saves a strained wrist, and also controls the flow a lot better than a manual gun (actually has an adjustment for flow, and as soon as you let go, it backs off slightly so you don't get as much ooze waste as with the manual release on most manual guns). Only down side with it is it won't take the very long canisters (specifically of liquid nails) - they are just a bit too long - so you have to buy the slightly smaller ones which is a bit less economic. Not sure if Ryobi has updated it to make it a bit longer - but they should.

[@free2bsafe2]

Loving your Vids Scotty..🙂

[@steve3772]

Got ya hands full Scotty! Ripper 👍

[@flamintasty]

This going to be epic when it’s finished 😊

[@stoneshrink]

love the boring LS stuff :) not sure how 2k hp is boring, but here we are.... wonderful time to be alive.

[@gazza116]

you will need a crowbar to get them heads off.🤣

[@michaelteasdale2919]

Man…..You should be able to run 1000 pounds of boost with them head studs!!!😮

[@davidwindsor4632]

The heads look like a tonne of fun. 🤔

[@bunning63]

If you want to preserve your sealant, you can put some gladwrap between the noozle and best trick is putting the cartridge into a ziplock bag. The ziplock bag works real well. For those small tubes of sealant you have sitting the toolbox that always go off, those small ziplocks work a treat.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

Great tip! I've been using both gladwrap & zip lock bags for paint brushes and rollers for years but never considered using them on tubes of glue and sealant! I'll definitely try it out - better than stuffing an old nail in the end which is what I normally do! 😀

[@069diesel069]

Thanks buddy, grouse hack man✌️🇦🇺❤

[@cammos]

I been using small ziplock bags for years they do work great😜🤫

[@joshreynolds729]

👍🏻 build man it’s going to be nasty.

[@andyjames2082]

Hands of a surgeon 😄

[@dirtymuleracing5321]

Nice work

[@benni727]

the proflow parts will fail before that 3bond haha

[@kevin349]

mate tip...motor on a engine stand spin it down 45 deg then those 4 studs in the head are up right so you can get to them

[@Low760]

Three bond is great stuff.

[@bruceyblowback8748]

Once its sorted and tuned im excited for the first skid at the drag strip and first rip. Hopefully no Chicken foot.

[@hespie1]

Good work Scotty, those inner head bolt nuts! Yuk.

[@allxdup1909]

Gees Scotty, I'm kinda freaked out by all the goop on the decks... there must be a spray on alternative you could apply to the gaskets for a cleaner install without the rush to get the excess goop squeezed out of the way... I have used aluminium boiler paint very successfully on copper head gaskets, including on diesels. 2 coats on the gaskets with a small spray gun before the heads go on. Hylomar or copper coat would also work, as it is only coolant you are trying to seal in. I hope you never need them mate, but I reckon you should keep spare gaskets on hand for just in case, because I think by the time the goop lets go of those ones, they will be ready for the bin. Keep up the good work mate.

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

I've got nearly as much on my hands using a Hylomar spray can (I am useless with a spray can), but yes it would have been my first choice for the job as well.

[@michaelb5330]

Thanks for another great episode

[@bruceyblowback8748]

Struth❤ ya patience Scotty.

[@tonxbezzina7015]

Man I hate working under that kind of pressure with glue going off that’s stressful , good job!!

[@michaelblair4744]

It's to keep the rabbits out! I wonder how many people remember that one. Hey, would any of that been easier if you rotated the engine on the stand?

[@Devastator0]

Love the work as always Scotty! Turning into a serious build, love to see it! Honestly, I was expecting you to lay into a "Deez Nutz" joke when you said that at one point but it felt like a lost opportunity haha. Keep up the great work mate, really enjoying seeing it come along!

[@John-ok6sq]

Having never done it myself, it seems like all the silicone goo is going to end up in the coolant passages.

[@gearspider]

🎱 under the valley plate 😁

[@b-rock4831]

😮 is that how to seal copper gaskets. I had no idea, looks messy AF

[@builds_on_a_budget4111]

Each to their own, but when doing copper gaskets I always goop the gasket before putting it on, I also dont use nearly as much sealant. One last note is I put the 2 studs in place where the dowels are and I lube and assemble the rest of the studs so when the head is on I just drop them down and its much quicker and easier process to do it.

[@Deano.1978]

If you need to muck around with goo to ensure a good seal to me means that whoever designs gaskets isn't doing their job properly.

[@dereklipka7025]

I think more to do with differences in thickness between fire rings and gasket. Fire ring sealing is primary.

[@ryanworkman5229]

I tend to agree with that, I would expect the fire rings, the grooves in the deck and the gasket thickness would have been worked out together so the gasket crush gave the correct crush to seal the fire rings. If they really wanted to so it was easier they could use whatever gasket material they wanted for the gaskets, the fire rings hold in the boost, the gaskets only need to deal with coolant.

[@xozindustries7451]

When I’m putting on heads I put the motor at 45 degree angle so the head surface is parallel to the ground, easier to line stuff up and gasket won’t move, heads can’t slip off dowels and fall

[@MrMadenuff]

What a mission Scotty hope you never have to take those heads off again. Hope the sealent does not block any water holes to the heads too.

[@jamiekaye3680]

Excess sealant maybe a good thing in some cases, but not in the automotive world, it gets into and blocks water jackets, blocks oil galleries,squeezes into fire rings and gives a path to weakness, the same goes for head adhesion, generally a light smear, similar to what a wipe of bearing blue would look like, is sufficient and stronger as it binds the part to the part, not goo to goo or part to goo, anyway good luck as effort deserves reward, so go get your medal.

[@colinmiles9390]

Whoever designed those heads with all the bolts and nuts needs to have their heads examined!! Doing bolts from underneath in the journals is mental.

[@mylairhasnoip]

way more patient than me, I'd have chucked all the tools in a fit of rage

[@Beer_Dad1975]

You only do that off camera! 😀 Seriously the number of times my wife has come out to the garage to ask me if I'm OK because I've been swearing and throwing things around...

[@craignowakowski8041]

roll the engine over onto its side next time to put the valley head nuts and washers on. As Mikaylatutton said. Gravity helps

[@mysticgreg]

Mate I need to know where you got that magical little torque spanner! 🤣

[@plumbs7199]

Yeah I loved the sound when the spanner was nearly snizen tight lol! Great editing ! Lmao!

[@crashdiet1518]

Love these videos showing all the nitty gritty detail of the build. My one question is: where has the electric caulking gun been all my life?

[@amounifnd]

Is there not a spray type sealant like Hylomar that would be better ? Seems a bit heavy and would be a nightmare if you ever had to remove the heads. Excellent series and production. Keep up the good work.

[@dayno82]

I love u Scotty…. But wholly f#%ken 3bond 😮 that’s a lot of gue that will squish out/ potentially end up in oil system??

[@alexfehlberg1065]

I came here for the comments. You lot have let me down. I was expecting all sorts of whinging.

[@josephkelly4893]

So many goo experts in here, Scotty nailed it

[@warrenscarlett9302]

👍👍👍

[@b_for_brett]

Keep the rabbits out 😂

[@Doc_in_the_carpet_truck]

Nice Scotty sealing shit for the win !!!👍

[@robokiss7822]

That's a lot of glue you put on the surface of the head gasket i hope it doesn't block the gallery's

[@theoriginalwallace]

One thing Scotty, why didn't you rotate the engine upside-down so the fiddly studs were pointing upwards? 😂😂😂 Cheers. Leigh. PS: As my Grandad used to say (pointing at his head): Up here for thinking" (then pointing at his feet) "down there for dancing" 🤣🤣

[@tones61]

Hi Scotty, why not apply the goo to both sides of gasket, then fit on? A lot easier and neater 😎👌

[@geoffhutchings]

Sealant of black bubblegum on there !

[@jaycrank8163]

Next time when doing the nuts under the head please point the head down so everything drops down giving space.

[@benni727]

a mate got a 202 build with fire rings and copper gasket, his engine builder heated the gaskets on the over and sat the gasket on then tourqed the head, i though silicone between the block and head would be crap once hot

[@mrlemonadesandwich]

I bet you are hoping you aren't the bloke who has to take the heads off next. What a nightmare

[@wesgates5632]

When was your elbow last calibrated?

[@SuperTambo69]

another way is to magnetize the bolt. The washer and nut then magnetically stick

[@Dmax1us]

Another great informative vlog Scotty. U are very patient . See U at Chrysler on the Murray on Saturday

[@dvkkp61]

Could u have turned the engine on the engine stand for those upside head studs so you’re not fighting gravity?

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Didn't want lifters on other side falling out

[@turbotorana4336]

whoa,way too much sealant on the block/heads

[@crunchytheclown9694]

woohoo

[@robmatthewswoodturning4988]

Rabbits!! :D

[@DaveHiggoHiggins]

Hi, how much boost would you like? "Well, I have 23 head studs in each side" So... "ALL OF IT" Christ on a bike I hope you never bust one of those copper head gaskets

[@A.R.C.77]

🐠🤘

[@martingidaszewski7342]

Scotty I know you probably checked but was the torque wrench on NM or FTLB. Would hate to see something go wrong with this engine after you’ve spent so much time on it.

[@matthewsammut5650]

wouldnt the copper gasket spray on the gasket be much neater and cleaner and still do the trick?. or can not get it thick enough?. this gave me major anxiety i might not sleep tonight now

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Not thick enough apparently

[@wingoson]

Scotty I was wondering why you didn't roll the engine over to do the under studs on the stand?

[@MKPatrolGuy]

I was wondering the same thing!!

[@mynameis63]

This can't be real!

[@jimcairns1633]

Just weld a socket on the end of your spanner and to avoid and mathematical equations just have the newly made extension at 90° to the torque wrench. Bingo

[@gazza70cr]

This is as fascinating as the wiring videos.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Actually I thought it was very interesting. The video ended up being awesome

[@plumbs7199]

Found it very interesting!

[@Low760]

​@@STREETMACHINETV Ignore that guy. Some people never actually do any hard work.

[@gerrym75]

Yeah, let's go watch Gazza's exciting videos of little bogan gronks riding their mini bikes around! You legend Gazza! 😂

[@gazza70cr]

@@gerrym75don't forget to Subscribe and hit that Like button.🤩

[@SkodaYetiFan96]

I still think bolted gaskets without the need for sealant could be used in the future. That, however, is if electric cars get banned entirely.😎

[@stevenkirk2563]

Ha pro flow Chinese heads vpw home brand heads.

[@7071t6]

Scotty mate turn the engine upside down to make it easier , if there's a next time? Who the hell came up with the idea with the net and washer on the inside the block which attached to the head ,really i think there's a enough bolts/studs to keep the head on ,all they need to do is increase the size of the studs or bolts? People with OCD with building engines would fit perfectly when doing all the fiddly stuff. Keep up the great work buddy. 🦘🦘✌✌👍👍🚓🚓🚗🚗

[@rayvreman2002]

Scotty, why didn't you turn the engine on the stand so the head was horizontal with the floor. Gravity would have held the valley bolts and tie bars in place

[@STREETMACHINETV]

And the other lifters might have fallen out. It's okay, I got it done

[@andrewwoitowitz8242]

Why dont you turn the engine on the stand to do up the nuts under the tie bars

[@drifterdrifter9558]

Powered silicone guns normally put to much down unless you are glazing. I know ryobi are sponsors but I would have gone in a different direction mate

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Ryobi haven't been sponsors for 12months

[@IJ-E36]

Just imagine a device that would rotate the engine so gravity would allow the tie bars to be out of the way and the washers would stay in place while you put the nuts on.. Maybe even apply the sealant to the copper gasket thinly both sides before sliding it down a stud at either end..

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Sealant on upper side would probably go off before you could get head on

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Also, imagine other side lifters falling out on the ground

[@IJ-E36]

@@STREETMACHINETV a smart man would leave that side lifters out till you had bank #1 buttoned up.. I think the time would be similar given having to wipe everything down in between, I'd be concerned at the amount of sealant used splooging into everything, back in the Supra days I was a big fan of spray on sealant as it allows a very thin film..

[@STREETMACHINETV]

@@IJ-E36 well I managed anyway

[@IJ-E36]

@@STREETMACHINETV well done Bloke, that shit gets everywhere!

[@bandicootdarren9872]

Did you find the outside 4 smaller diameter studs were a bit short on threads ??? I thought it was wrong stud length at first, but a lot of people suggest running a ball bearing to help raise the stud up to give a bit extra thread for the nut to bite on Did you just put up with the lack of thread Scotty as I didn't see or hear of you doing anything in the vid to change that, and the inside washers I was going to do the same myself.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

I noticed them and ended up winding them out a bit and setting them level with the nuts when the camera was off

[@honestpat7789]

What’s the theory/concept behind the fire rings. Or, is it all about keeping the rabbits out 🐇 😂

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Basically yes, and the boosty fire in

[@dandarkracing]

Would have it been easier / less messy to coat the gasket both sides with the 3 bond and put that on, instead of coating the block first.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

I've answered this in other questions

[@richarddeane5389]

How come you didn't just put black crap all over the copper gaskets both sides then drop over head studs would that have been easier?