Strong Biblical Evidence: Why the Trinity Isn't Mentioned by Jesus or Paul | Unitarianism Explained

[@ortiz3m]

appreciate all the work you do for these videos

[@patrick953]

@@ortiz3m All the information we have about Muhammad and the creation of the Quran are so late that at that point anyone could have made up anything about him and the Quran because all the supposed eye witnesses were long dead. Take the whole Qira'ah debacle. Till today, your scholars cannot tell us which reading of the Quran is the one in heaven, is it Haffs by Aasim, is it Warsh by Nafi etc. Your Hadiths claim that Uthman 🔥 and d£stroyed other versions of the Quran which were around at his time in 650AD, he even destroyed the one compiled by Caliph Abubakr which was in Hafsa's (i.e. the widow of Muhammad) possession. We know that diacritical marks (aka vowel pointings) were invented for the Arabic language in the 8th century, this means that the Quran which was compiled by Abubakr had different consonants (i.e. Rasm) than the later one by Uthman. The creation of your Quran was one giant debacle.

[@patrick953]

@@ortiz3m hjnnj

[@lessummers5738]

I guess if Paul was here today and trinitariand did not know who he was they would be calling Paul a heretic

[@alexs9461]

yes

[@Biblehasaleftsidealso]

🎯

[@IAmR1ch]

Yes, Isaiah, the angels and Jesus and the apostles would call him a heretic.

[@arthurmorgan8654]

Matthew 16:15-17 New English Translation 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered,[a] “You are the Christ,[b] the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him,[c] “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood[d] did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven!

[@aksk5770]

A very strong argument, thank you 😊

[@betsycosmos2054]

Thanks for continuing to speak Truth!

[@user-sj1kn8wh6o]

You are spot on!

[@JacobSilverdal]

Well done brother! Yah bless

[@JosephSmith-ph4xr]

Never mind arguments from silence. What about what Jesus did say. Jesus had a God.The resurrected Jesus had a God. (John 20 :17 ). The glorified Jesus in heaven still had a God (Rev 3 :12). A 'God'whomhimself has a God is NOT God Almifghty and Jesus is never called God Almighty.

[@MarvelNot]

Correct. Also, the first verse of Revelation makes it clear that God _gave_ the Revelation to Jesus. I'm convinced that the vast majority of people who claim to be Christian never once read the Scriptures that they supposedly get their beliefs from. Their hearts are so hard that they do not find it strange to speak about a book they have never read.

[@glennrobinson7193]

​​@@MarvelNot I made a point recently online that Matt28:19 was ADDED to scripture. I was refuted by being told that Matt 28:19 is in the Codex Sinaticus and the Vaticanus texts which I was told are the oldest, most original and most reliable Greek texts. Being passionate for the truth, I just need to get to the truth of the matter. I still can't believe that Jesus would tell his called out ones to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Which leads me to believe that "go ye and teach (or disciple) all nations" was probably added to. Interesting that today's babylonian "church" guilts you into obeying "the great commission" and unless you do so you are not a real follower of Christ.

[@IAmR1ch]

Jesus called himself the Father. Isaiah and the angels said he was God. So did John. And his name shall be called THE MIGHTY GOD THE EVERLASTING FATHER. Angels said to Joseph. He will be called Emmanuel, God with us. Then read when Jesus says anyone who has seen Him has seen the Father. john14 7-9

[@glennrobinson7193]

@@IAmR1ch Jesus never called himself the Father. Jesus said he did not the works but it was the Father who worked through him. So clearly he denied that he was God. He was the Son of God.

[@IAmR1ch]

@@glennrobinson7193 It is not clear, what you are saying is in direct conflict with bible, the bible, Isaiah and the angels said he was THE MIGHTY GOD THE EVERLASTING FATHER. The angels said he is Emmanuel. GOD WITH US. It is not clear, that is why the theory of the Trinity exists how Jesus can be God and be Jesus.

[@snakejuce]

I'm Muslim, but these are great points. I found the vid through Dale Tuggy's sharing of it on Twitter.

[@chronic_daydreamer]

Hi friend! I’ve been having discussions with a Muslim friend of mine but he is struggling to understand how I can be a Christian and believe that Jesus is only the Son of God and not God Almighty. I’ve been trying to help him see that but he doesn’t understand and gets uncomfortable when we talk about it. Do you have any tips on how I can help make him more comfortable with my understanding of Jesus’ nature? I’m not trying to convert him or anything, I just want him to understand that the Bible doesn’t teach that Jesus is God, and I believe what the Bible says, not what the Trinitarian churches say.

[@snakejuce]

@@chronic_daydreamer Hey there brotha, this rhetoric will always be discomforting to strict monotheists like the Muslims. Regardless of what the Bible teaches or does not teach. God in the Quran is VERY clear that associating partners with Him, ascribing children or offspring to Him is the gravest transgression. As it should be. To lower God to such a level is to diminish Him. Likely not the answer you were looking for. This is without going into the fact that the Jamesonian Nazarenes did not have the same Middle-Platonic Pagan man-god soteriology that John's gospel is rife with. Nor the fact that they considered Paul an enemy and an apostate of the law, nor the fact that the Hellenistic themes in the writings of Philo of Alexandria are seen in John. Nor the fact that none of the alleged authors of the bible are eye-witness testimony, all of them being anonymous individuals. Though when I say this, it can put people off because they think I'm attacking or trying to tarnish what they believe, which reminds me I should stop writing since a comment section isn't the most conducive to intellectual exchanges. Peace be with you.

[@edwardhines2237]

@@snakejuce I am however interested for I like learning from many quarters...where do you cone down on the nature of God

[@snakejuce]

@@edwardhines2237 Thanks for the response. I'm not sure what is meant by the question, if you could please clarify?

[@edwardhines2237]

@@snakejuce I am a Christian who believes that the one God has revealed himself in scripture through 3 persons who are eternal...a mysterious thing I grant but in my reading unavoidable. I guess I was asking your perspective in that regard and what most guides you in that perspective.

[@socketman]

100% brother

[@JKV84]

One true God the father. One lord JC. The trinity is manmade nonsense.

[@agape832]

Quote the entire scripture: yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, THROUGH WHOM ARE ALL THINGS, and through whom we live This scripture clearly teaches the Trinity, since it says Christ existed before anything was created, and that ALL created things were made through Him. If Christ was a creature like you believe, it would be impossible for all created things to be made through Him, because He would be created Himself.

[@JKV84]

@@agape832 through my friend. Not the main source who is the most High Yah the father. “All” can include obvious exceptions.

[@RufusBlad]

​@@agape832 I am a bit confused. How does that verse teach the trinity? The holy spirit isn't even mentioned.

[@IAmR1ch]

@@JKV84 Jesus himself said, I am the way truth and life. No one comes to the father but through me. If you know me, you know the Father. From now on you do know him and have seen Him. Anyone who has seen me has seen the father. And his name will be called wonderful, councilor, THE MIGHTY GOD THE EVERLASTING FATHER. In the beginning was the Logos(word), the Logos(word) was with God and God was the Logos(word)

[@JKV84]

@@IAmR1ch nothing about being the almighty.

[@TexasBlues-123]

_Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”_ (John 20:17)

[@astutik8909]

That verse alone, utterly annialates the trinity.

[@TexasBlues-123]

@@astutik8909 I've got a whole bunch of verses but John 20:17 is the best one. SON OF GOD “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?” Matthew 8:29 He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!” Mark 5:7 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. John 14:28 61But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” 62“I am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.” Mark 14:61-62 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. John 5:19 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 1 John 5:10 I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. (John 12:49) Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3:18 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” John 20:17 Then Nathanael declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.” John 1:49 So Jesus said, "I am with you only a little while longer, and then I am going to the One who sent Me. John 7:33 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. Mark 16:19 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. John 16:28 The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands. John 3:35 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Matthew 28:18 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, Luke 1:32 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” Matthew 3:17 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone.” Mark 10:18 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” (John 20:17) "He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’”" (Matthew 27:43) "The people stood watching, and the rulers sneered at Him, saying, "He saved others; let Him save Himself if He is the Christ of God, the Chosen One." (Luke 23:35) "what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?" (John 10:36) Ezekiel 34:23-24 _I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd._ _I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David will be prince among them. I the LORD have spoken._ When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!” (John 1:36)

[@Ocapela215]

​@@astutik8909 How so?

[@ScottRoberts]

But of the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom." - Hebrews 1:8 The Father calls Jesus "God."

[@TexasBlues-123]

@@ScottRoberts That's got to be wrong, just as Paul's writings are wrong. Jesus is given the throne of his father, DAVID. _Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from that time and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts will accomplish this._ (Isaiah 9:7) _He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,_ (Luke 1:32) _[23] I will appoint over them one shepherd, My servant David, and he will feed them. He will feed them and be their shepherd. [24] I, the LORD, will be their God, and My servant David will be a prince among them. I, the LORD, have spoken._ (Ezekiel 34:23-24) Hebrews is also wrong in Heb 1:6 _And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”_ Jesus is given all authority but not the worship due to the Father. _“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols._ (Isaiah 42:8)

[@Blueskies445]

You can't lose a debate if you believe in what your saying. People choose what side they want to be on, it comes down to what we believe not who won a debate.

[@lucycarin]

Truth- needs no defense but it may need presented…if someone holds onto the same idea with solid evidence they should think different, it is a choice…

[@snakejuce]

Yes, and that is the side of TRUTH or FALSEHOOD. The veracity of a truth claim ought to be considered within the epistemic criteria. Choosing ignorance is not choosing the truth. Choose wisely. Alhamdullilah.

[@bosse641]

YHVH is the God of Israel. He is the God and Father of the man Jesus. There are no other God than He.

[@patrick953]

I have said Ye are Gods, all of you, Son's of Elyon. He is not the only God.

[@JesusJunkie2023]

Yes trinitarians don't realize there's several gods in the Bible, but there is only one most high God.

[@patrick953]

@@JesusJunkie2023 If there is only one Most High, how come we have a certain Galilean peasant claiming to be Equal with the creator? "For WHATEVER the father does the Son also does" How is it possible for a 32 year old Galilean peasant to be the Equal of the creator in ability.

[@johnstanp9692]

​@@patrick953 The text you quote doesn't say that there are other entities that ARE gods, but simply that some entities have been CALLED gods. Edit: I answered back more than once to the user to which I answered in this thread, and all my answers were deleted (5 times !!!). Here it is: To patrick953 The point was that being called gods doesn't make them gods in nature. After all, they are going to die, AS MEN. Those entities were required to act as God's representatives, and were as such called gods. But in no way, do they share the nature of God: they are not from eternity. They have been created by the one true God, who is from eternity and created everything. Those entities that are called gods in Psalm 82, are not God in nature. Moses was made a god to Pharaoh: should we believe that he became a god in nature ? No, of course. Now, Saint Paul called those entities to which sacrifices were made, demons. The Septuagint calls them (the "gods" of the other nations) also demons. If you want to keep calling those entities gods, and glorify them while elsewhere in the Scripture they are rightly called demons (in Psalm 82 they are even condemned), do. I'll side with Saint Paul and call them ... you've guessed it!

[@patrick953]

@@johnstanp9692 lol 😆 😂 🤣 😅. Can you hear yourself? The Father himself is the one that called them Gods. And Jesus answered them saying "is it not written in your law that I have said ye are Gods? "If he called them Gods whom the word of the Lord came to and scripture cannot be broken, then why then do you say that I Blaspheme. The Father said that they are Gods and scripture cannot be broken according to Jesus.

[@stuartwebster5821]

The humanity of Jesus is so important in understanding what he did for us in dying on the cross. Hebrews 2:14 says he came in the flesh i.e. sinful human nature so that he could have the victory over the devil (sin). As God he could not die and would not have been tainted by sin in any way shape or form. As a man incapable of sin, why was he tempted and how did he bare our sins? Either way he was no more suitable for a sacrifice for our sins than the bulls and goats of the Mosaic law. Yes blood was shed but they were simply a shadow of the perfect sacrifice which required sin to be put to death in the flesh -in this very real sense Jesus was 'made sin for us'. Jesus was 'lifted up' like the brazen serpent was lifted up, symbolic of the people's sins. Jesus indeed bore our sins in his body on the tree in a very real sense, in a body susceptible to sin, but nevertheless sinless. He we have the greatest victory ever achieved by a man. This is where the orthodox churches misunderstand the atonement. They see the death of Jesus as transactional - he died in our place as a substitute. Whereas in fact it was what he did in his death that was key - he destroyed him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, not Satan, but sin ( the wages of sin is death)

[@patrick953]

If Jesus is a creature, then your salvation is built on shifting sand. If Jesus is a creature, then he is capable of change, and if he can change, then he is capable of Sinning. All you can say about Jesus is that he hasn't sinned "YET", nevertheless he may sin tomorrow and once he sins, everything is undone, and all those who have suffered and died for Jesus have perished. It's simple as ABC, Unitarians claim that Jesus is convertible, therefore Unitarians are not Christians.

[@FollowPaul1Lord1God]

​@@patrick953 TRINITARIANS "gift horsin" God and "his son". 🙄

[@patrick953]

@@FollowPaul1Lord1God You lot claim Jesus is nothing more than an exalted man who has the capability of Sinning. Therefore, your salvation is not certain because Jesus may decide to Sin against God tomorrow or sometime in the Future just like Adam or Satan etc.

[@patrick953]

@@JesusJunkie2023 So you are a polytheist who has two Deities?

[@JesusJunkie2023]

@patrick953 I second that? why do trinitarians gift horse the whole situation? How dare you pick apart God's son and claimed he needs to be part of a three-headed Godman? Hebrews chapter 1 claims God raised Jesus and put him at his right hand, and made him a 🫱second god on his right hand. After the second century The narrative got out of hand and we haven't been able to wind it back in. So Jesus has a God, and Hebrews introduced him as a second god, on God's right hand. NOT 🚫 replacing him or dividing the holy jealous God into fractions without Apostolic procession or biblical framework

[@kusstyle]

What would you recommend to someone who is a biblical unitarian and wants to have a christian community when there are only trinitarian churches around?

[@biblicalunitarian]

Check out this page to see if there are any near you: www.unitarianchristianalliance.org/membership-map/ Also, Spirit & Truth has online fellowships here: spiritandtruthonline.org/virtual-groups/ If none of those work out, start a fellowship even if its very small. If you don't want to do any of those, go to a Trinitarian church if they will let you. Some community is better than no community.

[@kusstyle]

@@biblicalunitarian Thanks! God bless!

[@RodMartinJr]

*_Amen!_* Well said. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯

[@neomagnon]

If Jesus intended to start a new religion, he could have explained everything explicitly to avoid confusion, wild guesses, hermeneutics, etc. He could have spoken in literal language and not in parables so that ALL people could understand his "new religion" of Christianity. He could have explained his true identity, the Trinity to avoid fighting, schism, animosity and fighting. But even his disciples have no idea who he really was. And modern-day religious leaders are vehemently fighting about whether he is God or not. There are so many thousands of different Christian denominations and non-denominations that can't agree with each other. Who will say with authority which one of these is right? Jesus said to be united and uphold universal love, but Christianity is like glass broken into thousands of small pieces. Impossible to mend.

[@agape832]

Yet Jesus also said beware of false teachers who come to you as wolves in sheep’s clothing… and where He said take heed you are not deceived. The bible speaks of false teachers leading people astray. Jeremiah writes of false prophets. The epistle of Jude was literally written to combat false teachers. The majority of Christendom accept the trinity is clearly portrayed in scripture. You have to ignore a ton of scripture to justify Unitarianism. John 1 shows the Word of God created everything that is made, meaning by default the Word is God, who became flesh. John 5 portrays Christ as making Himself equal with God, and it’s also written “that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father”, (means we should praise, exalt and worship Christ as we do God the Father). This officially debunks Unitarianism because these are clear scriptures, on top of God in the Old Testament saying He alone stretched out the heavens and earth. If someone is intellectually honest they will have to admit the bible teaches the trinity. I once spoke to a Unitarian who ended up conceding Jesus is equal to God, yet isn’t God. Preposterous. How can anyone be equal to the infinitely holy Creator? Except that He be Triune?

[@neomagnon]

@@agape832 The word Trinity or its equivalent is nowhere to be found in the Bible. The concept was finalized during the Council of Nicea, 325 AD. But even up to this day, the debate continue along with the inserted "filioque". Jesus is equal with God, yes, in love, will and purpose but not in Personality including omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence. Throughout Jesus' life, he never explicitly claimed he is God to be served. His life and teachings, prayers, servitude, tears, love always point to someone GREATER than him - his Father. Many claim he is God because of interpretations and hermeneutics, but that is only one side of the dbate. Yes, we should worship, love, serve Jesus because he is the bonafide representative and empowered son of God. Worshipping, serving, pleasing, loving him is tantamount to pleasing God. In fact, we cannot bypass Jesus and go directly to God. That is spiritually unethical and offensive to God. God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit are All divine but with separate personalities and roles and not as equal in their divinities. The Bible is largely silent and not explicit about many things including Jesus' true identity. Even his disciples were clueless.

[@kp8174]

All the denominations are dividing the body of Christ. The devils handy work.

[@JosephSmith-ph4xr]

@@neomagnon : Wrong ! The Trinity was not 'finalized ' at Nicea. The Bishops simple said "We believe in the Holy Spirit." It was not until later councils that the doctrine was finally established.

[@neomagnon]

@@JosephSmith-ph4xr The date it was finalized is irrelevant and also subject to debate. The "finalization" happened and no one deny that. The point of contention is whether the Trinity is Biblically true or just a product of hermeneutics, misinterpretations of scripture.

[@funtimefreddy4204]

7:21 Semi-Arian here. Love to respond to this. Philippians 2:6 explains how Christ had no intention to take away from the Father’s glory here on earth. Therefore, him saying “God Created the world THROUGH ME” would come across as Jesus claiming authority. But he does the OPPOSITE. He explains how God created the world, and while it was through him, he has no reason to say that because he’s giving glory to our Father in Heaven. And ultimately, God created the world, but it was through him. Jesus would never lie. He is the Word of God.

[@patrick953]

Arianism is a heresy, repent.

[@edwardhines2237]

I really like your thought process

[@djmaydraws3862]

What does semi-Arian mean?

[@JoDayGfm]

Thank you.

[@Roz-zi1ye]

Yes & amen! 💓🙌🏻

[@christopherfaustino8318]

Amen

[@benbsingh]

Mathew 28:19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" Here it is Jesus clearly telling about the trinity to the disciples.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Mentioning three names together does not make them into one God. For example, if Matthew 28:19 said, "Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and Paul," would that turn Paul into part of a Godhead? Unitarians believe in the Father, Son and holy spirit, we just don't believe they make up one God, because nowhere in the Bible does it teach that.

[@benbsingh]

@@biblicalunitarian The book of Mathew is not written by Paul, what is the connection with Paul??!! If you cannot believe what Jesus said in his own words then !!!!

[@chronic_daydreamer]

Unreasonable logic. By this same logic, you could infer that the Father, Son and angels form a Trinity as mentioned in 1 Timothy 5:21. See? You can try and use any scripture to fit your argument if you use enough mental gymnastics to achieve your point. However the Bible speaks for itself and scripture always interprets scripture. And much to the everlasting chagrin of all Trinitarians since the 4th century AD, nowhere in the scriptures does it say that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit form a Godhead or Trinity. The Son is ALWAYS subject to the Father, and the Holy Spirit never even factors into the equation as a person, let alone as God or even a god.

[@Biblehasaleftsidealso]

@@benbsingh Also since we're all "Sola Scripture" I'd like to point out that ACTS 11, after being BAPTIZED in JESUS NAME? Was when, "those of US" following the "Apostles Doctrine", were first called "Christians". Unarguably the Acts Church baptized in Jesus name", there's absolutely no way to get around this ,FACT✓. Per the ORIGINAL LABEL & Meaning? In Acts in order to be CALLED a"Christian" one would follow the Apostles doctrine AND BAPTIZE, as the apostles did. 👍 Friendly reminder, the 3rd century repackaged baptizers", that they are the defectors... Real Christians of are reclaiming "Our Title".per Acts 11 (trinitarians reject the book of Acts🙄)

[@tylerchurch6945]

Yeshua would have obviously known the Shema he is a Jew and always will be jewish. We who claim to be Followere of the Messiah, should know that Yeshua has a God and his name is Yahweh and he is Our God too since we have been grafted in Roman's 11:17. Yeshua explains always that he had sat down at the right hand of Hagdula B'romim. Yeshua also has limited knowledge.

[@FromValkyrie]

The word for "one" in the shema is "echad" which is literally a unification of many into one. It's the same word used in " and the two shall become one". Also, the God of the old testament was Jesus. Because John says, "nobody has ever seen the Father" 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

[@tylerchurch6945]

@@FromValkyrie calling Yeshua the Yahweh of the Old Testament. Also as the Father, makes no sense there is literally no Son without a Father and how can he be called a Father I he doesn't have a Son. Proverbs 30:4 says he does. Colossians 1:15 says he is the visible image of the invisible God. Logically speaking an image of a person does not mean they are that person they are a representation of that person.

[@FromValkyrie]

@@tylerchurch6945 do you need a chapter-by-chapter, book-by-book walkthrough? Begin with Genesis 15. Read it carefully. 1. Tell me who Abraham is interacting with there. 2. Tell me what kind of interaction it is. A dream? A vision? Or a real-life tactile interaction. Begin. 🥁🥁🥁

[@tylerchurch6945]

@@FromValkyrie obviously the Angel of Adonai which is said to be like God and is an attribute of God. Read Exodus 7:1 where Moses is said to be like God to Pharaoh. It is the same with Yeshua he has divine attributes of God. Let's not forget the word Greek root of that word Theos which means in Strong's Definition Of uncertain affinity; a deity especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding God god [-ly -ward]. A magistrate if someone of power. God is a title not a name. Yeshua is called Lord which is a title would you disagree. If I mention who God is, I'm going to say Yahweh because that usually means to me God the Father. Also Angel means melakim in Hebrew which means messenger. I believe in the concept of agency. Where Yeshua was always with Yahweh and was a mighty one with Yahweh who was the Angel of Adonai in preeincarnate state. Then he became human John 1:14. Glory derives from the word Sh'khinah which means Divine presence.

[@tylerchurch6945]

@@FromValkyrie Avraham interacted with the Angel of Adonai. This is Yeshua preeincarnate state. Remember the Word BECAME FLESH. John 1:14. Yeshua is like a God unto the people. Remember theos is the Greek word for God. This is a title not a name for only The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Strong's Definition Of uncertain affinity; a deity especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding God god [-ly -ward]. Yeshua is simply divine with attributes of God the Father. This doesn't make him the creator read John 1:3 where Yeshua is the vessel and things where created on earth through him Colossians 1:15. He is in the form of God Philippians 2:7.

[@PropheticPlaces-rm9lp]

Yes, And No One In Bible Times Talked To "The Holy Spirit OF God" As Churches Do Today.

[@WordsOfKuji]

More consistent posts would be great

[@biblicalunitarian]

I'm doing my best! But have other things on my plate as well

[@WordsOfKuji]

@biblicalunitarian oh its a I? My bad I thought more people would be involved... The reason I recommend this is because you guys are growing fast tho I believe in Yeshuas preexistence it would be beneficial for the message if more consistent vids came out that way more come to faith, but yes I can fully understand if you are busy elsewhere it isn't easy. May God bless you

[@biblicalunitarian]

We do have other people on the team, however, they have other tasks as well. But glad the vids have been helpful to you!

[@WordsOfKuji]

@@biblicalunitarian oh OK I see thanks for the information, that's unfortunate but good to know May God bless you

[@fredericorodriguez808]

Honestly biblical Unitarians need to rise and debate trinitarians in a big platform and show they can win . I’ve seen a lot of videos were we kind of lose the debate , and honestly I feel like I start losing my morale . ( I seen dale tuggys debate with James white , he did pretty good )

[@JKV84]

The problem is that the trinis twist scripture and change the meaning of words. And also that many trinitarians are better debaters than the unitarians. But I agree - more debates so people will wake up from the trini nonsense.

[@marktravis5162]

A Unitarian would lose on the point of denying Jesus being God, there’s too many verses revealing that he was God which the trinitarian can show, and the only thing the Unitarian can do is deny or twist those verses to mean something else, which I’ve seen happen over and over

[@lucycarin]

@@marktravis5162you mean there are translations claiming this…

[@patrick953]

​@@lucycarin Not translations, in the Greek he is called "theos".

[@marktravis5162]

@@lucycarin It’s not any claims it’s what’s clearly written, even in the Greek

[@lessummers5738]

Jesus said he lives because of the Father trinitarians say NO NO Jesus not true

[@edwardhines2237]

My only question is was Jesus a man and if so what is man's responsibility to God.

[@lessummers5738]

@@edwardhines2237 I belive we are to walk in his ways in faith and be like his image bearers on earth Thats how I see it my friend I dont know what else we can do

[@edwardhines2237]

@@lessummers5738 we trinitarians believe that Jesus was truely man who consequently worships God as a man should we also believe he was truely God for no man raises himself from the dead.

[@Cartanimee]

@@edwardhines2237uh Jesus was given authority over all flesh and that should include his own?

[@aleczemouli2905]

John 17:3 kills the debate. Jesus clearly states that THE ONLY TRUE GOD IS THE FATHER. Was Jesus lying? Was he trying to deceive his followers? Was he saying the truth?

[@r1chm]

Was Jesus lying when he saidjohn14 7. If you really know me you know the Father as well. From now on (from this point in Jesus ministry) you do know him and have seen him. Philip said, show us the Father, and that will be enough. Jesus said, Don't you know me Philip, that I have been among you for so long. Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say Show us the Father. To Joseph, they will call him Immanuel, God with us. And his name shall be called wonderful, counselor, the mighty GOD, the EVERLASTING FATHER... It is not as straight forward as you think. Jesus hid who he was from the beginning revealing himself to only certain people because his time had not come yet. I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. If it is revealed to you great, if not, nothing anyone says will convince you, you will be like the pharisees.

[@aksk5770]

​@@r1chm Are you saying Jesus is the Father? 🤨

[@IAmR1ch]

@@aksk5770 No, Isaiah said, his name shall be called. Wonderful, counselor, the MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER.. The angels said they will call him Emmanuel God with us. And Jesus said. From now on (this point in his ministry) you do know him and have seen him. Show us the Father and that will be enough. Don't you understand Philip that I have been with you so long. Anyone who sees me has seen the Father. How can you say show us the father.

[@IAmR1ch]

@@aksk5770 In the beginning was the Logos (the Word). the Logos (word) was with God and God was the Logos(word). The Logos (word) became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we have seen his Glory.

[@IAmR1ch]

@@aksk5770 I am not a teacher, for they are judged more harshly. This is my theory, God made us in his image. We are nothing like him except in this one thing. He is Father (intellect), the Flesh (Logos/Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. We are soul (intellect) body (flesh) and spirit. They act independently of each other. My flesh says, eat the cookie, my intellect says don't eat the cookie it is bad for you. My spirit says don't eat at all, fast and seek the Lord. Paul said it best. If I do not do what I want to and continue to do what I don't want to do. I agree that it is not me doing it. It is my sinful nature (flesh)

[@frisbee351]

excellent

[@pozorovatellidi]

The devil might be laughing when people are forced to explain why grass is green and not pink, and sky is blue and not violet with yellow dots.

[@edwardhines2237]

Growing up in church I was always confused about Father Son and Holy Ghost as though there was some pecking order. Recent study in the old testament finds me discovering 2 Yawehs,one like the son of man coming with the clouds to the ancient of days, the name going forth to keep and protect, The angel of the Lord who is to be obeyed and offering no forgiveness for disobedience etc. Skip to the new testament and it is revealed that Jesus will send another who will help us. In the new testament 3 have been credited with one event: raising Christ from the dead-1 Peter 1:21,John 2:19,Rom 8:11. The 3 are always discussed in relationship language amongst each other by the writers and are eternal. Our God is complex and I do not believe actually understood by us but I know he is worthy of all worship and praise. As the debate rages on that is our focus. Blessings.

[@mytwocents777]

"Not distant you are, away from the kingdom of the God" [Οὐ μακρὰν εἶ ἀπὸ τῆς βασιλείας τοῦ θεοῦ] Although the scribe came close, Christ's response reflected that he discerned that the scribe still lacked sufficient understanding of the nature of God to enter the kingdom of God (i.e. the realm of those saved by faith in Christ). The absence of any attempt by Jesus to correct the scribe by refining his understanding thereof is not remarkable, given that Jesus also indicated that he was not interested in bringing a salvific degree of clarity to those who hear without understanding and see without perceiving (cf. Matthew 13:14), when he was asked why he spoke to the people in parables... Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

[@biblicalunitarian]

You said, "Christ's response reflected that he discerned that the scribe still lacked sufficient understanding of the nature of God" Mark said, "Jesus saw that he answered wisely." (Mark 12:34) I appreciate the comment, however, it really seems you are trying to get around the clear points in this passage. Jesus complemented a Jew's understanding of God (who did not believe in a Trinity) and his understanding of God's greatest commandment.

[@mytwocents777]

@@biblicalunitarian The passage informs that Jesus perceived that the scribe had answered "νουνεχῶς" (nounechós, Strong's #3562) which, in its purest sense, means "sensibly", "rationally" or "mindfully", i.e. reflecting that he had relied on his own reasoning faculties. Although Christ might, by those words, have been encouraging the scribe in his spiritual journey toward salvation, the point that cannot be ignored is that He expressed that he had not yet arrived. Excerpt from MacLaren's Expositions (commentary on Mark 12:34): "He recognised true piety, and was earnestly striving after it, but entrance into the kingdom is by faith in the Saviour, who is ‘the Way.’ So Jesus’ praise of him is but measured. For in him there was separation between knowing and doing."

[@JKV84]

What is the guys name from UCA who debated kelly powers? Not tuggy.

[@FollowPaul1Lord1God]

Imagine using acts 17 apologetics OR berean apologetics...when they have an unknown God😂

[@Biblehasaleftsidealso]

​@@FollowPaul1Lord1God Masquerading as an apologist for Christians and Kelly Powers calls his channel the bereans? They propagate a three-headed unknown God and that's what Kelly Powers calls his channel? special place in Hades for people like ,Kelly powers, slick, Rogers but especially Sam 🫥

[@JKV84]

Dustin Smith. Propablu the best unitarian debater I have seen alongside with Greg Stafford who destroyed James White. Would love to see Greg or Dustin debate Anthony Rogers. But Rogers is so arrogant and condescending and just throws 100 verses not allowing the opposite side to respond so don't know if anything good would come out of it.

[@ABO-Destiny]

I think it is much more good for us if we can desist from arguing over these things.

[@harveygitarista1600]

Who are you to question how God reveals himself through His word? If God reveals Himself as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit, no man can refute that. You wouldn't even have the chance to question God's revelation of Himself if He didn't create us all. Stop limiting God's power. He can reveal Himself the way he wants to. You don't get to bend his words.

[@eddieyoung2104]

It's not really about bending God's words. The presenter is making the argument that if the Trinity is real, then it should have been mentioned by the ones who should have known it the best. Jesus and the apostles were the best placed men to tell us about it. And to do so authoritatively. Yet, they are silent on the subject. No concept, and no description comes from them. Therefore, we are accepting how God reveals himself in his word, and that's why we reject the Trinity teaching. And so, by the same token I could say, who are they who question what he reveals, and add to it a man-made invention?

[@harveygitarista1600]

@@eddieyoung2104 Is God dead that He can't give the generations after the apostles revelations about His Word? Do not think lowly of the generations after the first believers. God worked after the apostles and is still working right now through the the Holy Spirit who is God!

[@eddieyoung2104]

@@harveygitarista1600 If the Bible is my authority, and the Trinity is supposed to be essential for salvation, then it follows that it would be taught in the Bible. It isn't. So, obviously not very necessary. So unnecessary in fact that you seem to suggest God didn't reveal it, until after Jesus and the apostles taught. That doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. I agree, that God worked and still works, but he does so within the framework of what he's previously revealed. And the Bible shows us what he's revealed. He's revealed the way of salvation in its entirety, and therefore anything that comes afterward is not part of that way. Otherwise we could start following Buddhism, and insist that it's true because God is still working and giving revelations. The Bible has to be the sure foundation, and if we go away from that, we end up going down any number of dead ends.

[@harveygitarista1600]

@@eddieyoung2104 Who said anything other than Jesus is the way to salvation? We're talking about God's revelation in His words. I don't see any way my points in my comment could lead to Buddhism or any other man made religion. Is the Father God? Yes Is the Son God? Yes Is the Holy Spirit God? Yes Is God one? Yes Is Jesus the only way to the Father? Yes Is the Holy Spirit the one guiding us in our Christian life as we walk this earth? Yes It's all one big YES. That's how much authority the Bible has in my life. I don't bend what's inside it to whatever doctrine man wants to put label on. Words like Trinity and Unitarian can't explain the God that I worship. You can't limit God to such words and concepts. You can't cage God's being God to human words. His ways is not our ways! I accept it all. I don't question why God reveals Himself as so.

[@eddieyoung2104]

@@harveygitarista1600 The reason I mentioned salvation is because people say that a belief in the Trinity is necessary to be saved. And if that's so, then the Trinity ought to be taught clearly in the Bible. And it isn't. The reason I mentioned Buddhism as an example, was because you seemed to be suggesting that God is revealing important stuff after the Bible writings. Therefore how do we know God isn't giving revelations through other religions? If we don't accept that the Bible contains everything we need to know, then it leads us to accept additional things. And who's to decide what those things are? That was my point. I agree that God should not be caged to human words, yet it's he who has revealed his words about himself. Therefore, it's not about restricting him, or limiting his power, but merely repeating what he tells us about himself. And the Trinity concept doesn't appear to be part of that.

[@chronic_daydreamer]

The only place I feel I need to add a correction here is in regards to Jesus being a co-creator. He gives all glory rightfully to the Father as THE Creator, but we have evidence that Jesus was the Master Worker of Proverbs 8:30 and the Word who had things brought into existence through him in John 1:3. I’ve heard this relationship described as that of an Architect and Owner, and a Builder. An Architect and Owner designs the house and provides the money and resources (in this case, God designs creation and provides the power of His Holy Spirit to create space, time, matter and energy) and the Builder assembles the house (in this case, Jesus as Master Worker worked to put it all together).

[@agape832]

The proverbs section you quote is a personification of wisdom, not about Christ. That interpretation completely contradicts when Jesus said He shared in His Father’s glory before the creation of the world. Paul writes that everything was made through and for Christ in Colossians, and at the end of Romans he writes all things are made through God. Isaiah wrote that God said ‘ Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself’ So with your position you have to say “Here Paul says Jesus created everything”, yet then go to Isaiah and say “Here God says only He created heaven and earth, all by Himself”. A total contradiction if you’re a Unitarian. But for the Trinity this totally checks out. Or John 1:1-3 saying that the Word of God, Jesus Christ existed before anything was ever created, meaning He has existed since forever, meaning He is God since only God is eternal. It then says the Word became flesh at the end of John. So genuinely. Why do you pick one section of proverbs which is about wisdom (not Christ), and focus only on the scriptures teaching the humanity of Christ, and totally ignore the ones that teach His deity?

[@geordiewishart1683]

John 1 talks about the word. The word here is the personality and character of God, his plans and intentions. Jesus was the word in the sense that he was an embodiment of these aspects of God. It does not therefore follow that Jesus is the creator

[@chronic_daydreamer]

@@agape832 There are many prophecies and passages that apply to Christ as there are titles and embodiments that apply to him, Word included. Wisdom applies to him too. Proverbs 8:30 correlates with Colossians 1:16. And no, it doesn’t conflict with Isaiah. God deserves all the praise. Creation is by His design and power. Just like the Architect can be said to have built a house when a Builder was the one who put it together. Or like an Author and a Typist. This concept is neither difficult to understand nor foreign. It’s extremely common, even by modern standards. You need to read the original Greek and study the grammar of John 1 to understand that you have been misled by Trinitarian corruption of the original text. There are many more accurate translations that properly render the difference between ton theon and o theos in Greek which show the difference between “The God” and “godlike.” The translation of “the Word was God” is a mistranslation and frankly is a flagrant flouting of the warning of adding to or taking away from God’s Word. It would be a sin to both know this and then to choose to go along with such a lie, so I choose truth over the warping of truth to fit a dogma. You need to know that Jesus is not God. Pray tell why Jesus would say only God is good if he was God in the flesh? Should he not have accepted such a honorific if he was God? (Mark 10:17, 18) Why would he subject himself to the Father if he was coequal? (John 5:19; 1 Corinthians 15:28) There is no contradiction of scripture here. There is no convoluted explanation necessary. It’s simple: Jesus Christ is the Son of the Almighty God, Yahweh.

[@qassimmohammedqassim6101]

conversation between jesus and god in the day of judgement you need to watch this

[@lessummers5738]

God and Father of ALL what does that mean trinitarians HE is GOD and FATHER of ALL

[@jomerorobia4140]

#Biblical Unitarian Peace be with you in the name of Jesus Christ the begotten Son of God. You are correct his Father is our God. like Jesus said before he go to his throne beside his Father right hand. John 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. ' ” my question is to you who is Jesus?

[@sjurdurkjv]

Here are just a few: Paul in 2 Corinthians 13:14 King James Version 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. Paul in Colossians 2:2 King James Version 2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; Romans 8:11 King James Version 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Jesus speaking: Matthew 10:20 King James Version 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. Matthew 17:5 King James Version 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. John 3:34 King James Version 34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. Matthew 28:19 King James Version 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. John 3:34 King James Version 34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

[@TexasBlues-123]

Some of Paul's garbage: *The Law Abolished or the Law Upheld:* _“He brought the hostility to an end, by abolishing: the Law of commandments with its regulations”_ (Ephesians 2:14) vs _“Do we then overthrow the Law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the Law.”_ (Romans 3:31) ************* *Righteousness; with the Law or without the Law:* _know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified._ (Galatians 2:16) and _“not a single human being will be made righteous in God’s sight through observance of the Law”_ (Romans 3:20) vs _“For not the hearers of the Law are righteous before God but those who practice the Law will be pronounced righteous”_ (Romans 2:13) ************* *Salvation; by Confession or by Deeds:* _“if you confess with your lips the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved”_ (Romans 10:9) vs _“For he (God) will repay according to each one’s deeds; to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life”_ (Romans 2:6) ************* *Calling on the name of the Lord* _"For 'whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.' "_ (Romans 10:13) vs _“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."_ (Matthew 7:21) ************* *Approval by men* _"For presently do I seek approval of men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I were still pleasing men, I would not be a servant of Christ.”_ (Galatians 1:10) vs _"just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.”_ (1 Corinthians 10:33) ************ *Saved by grace or obedience* _" ...... If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”_ (Matt 19:17) _"But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.”_ (Matt 7:26) vs _"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-“_ (Ephesians 2:8) ************ *Who rules this world now?* _"We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."_ (1 John 5:19) vs _"Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God."_ (Romans 13:1) ************ *Bearing burdens* _for each one should carry their own load._ (Galatians 6:5) Vs _Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ._ (Galatians 6:2) ************* *Works or no Works* _"but continually proclaimed to those in Damascus first, and in Jerusalem, and then all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they are to repent and turn to God, PERFORMING DEEDS CONSISTENT WITH REPENTANCE.”_ (Acts 26:20) _”[8] For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and thisnot from yourselves; it is the gift of God, [9] not by works, so that no one can boast.”_ (Ephesians 2:8-9) ************* *Apostle or minister* _"But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a MINISTER AND A WITNESS both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you”_ (Acts 26:16) _"Paul, AN APOSTLE-sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead-“_ (Galatians 1:1) ************* *Cursed or not* _Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking in the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed," and no one is able to say, "Jesus is Lord," if not in the Holy Spirit._ (1 Corinthians 12:3) _Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”_ (Galatians 3:13)

[@snakejuce]

Why are you quoting anonymous men, none of whom are eye-witness testimony, and none of whom even KNEW Jesus? But the European Hellenistic influence is much too powerful for you and other's to wake up from Pauline Christianity's blasphemy.

[@snakejuce]

@@TexasBlues-123 Thanks for sharing. That's seriously all a sincere person needs. Even one contradiction should alert one to the nonsense.

[@TexasBlues-123]

@@snakejuce Yes. Paul was a false apostle. This is my Damascus Road draft: *Where did Paul get told what he must do?* _“Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”_ (Acts 9:6) _"16‘But get up and stand on your feet. For I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen from Me and what I will show you. 17I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them 18to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those sanctified by faith in Me.’ “_ (Acts 26:16-18) ************* *Did the other men fall to the ground?* _"And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.”_ (Acts 9:7) _"And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’”_ (Acts 26:14) ************* *Did the other men hear the voice?* _"And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.”_ (Acts 9:7) _”And those being with me indeed beheld the light, but they did not hear the voice of the One speaking to me.“_ (Acts 22:9) ************* *Was Paul a liar?* _"But be that as it may, I did not burden you myself; nevertheless, devious person that I am, I took you in by deceit.”_ (2 Corinthians 12:16) _"For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?”_ (Romans 3:7) ************* *The other eye witness accounts on the Damascus Road........ none* _“If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true.”_ (John 5:31 ) ************* *Paul was identified as a false prophet in the 1st century* _"You are aware of the fact that all who are in Asia turned away from me, among whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes.”_ (2 Timothy 1:15) *************

[@snakejuce]

@@TexasBlues-123 Nice work. thanks again for sharing. I just created a community post in regards to Pauline Christianity vs the Jamesonian Nazarenes, if that may be of interest to you. If not, no worries.

[@TaraandSky]

What about this: Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”…?

[@biblicalunitarian]

Great question, mentioning three names together does not make them into one God, just as when God says, "I am the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob," that doesn't turn them into one person or one anything. That idea would have to be read into the text. Unitarians believe in all three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, they do not believe those three form one God, which is found nowhere in scripture, nor Matt. 28:19.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

Can you explain why, in your interpretation of Mark, Jesus said, "You're not far from...." Evidently, Jesus thought the man wasn't there yet. "You're not far from getting your BA" is definitely not having your BA. But why not? Why was Jesus hedging? I think that question has to be addressed in order to use Mark as evidence.

[@snakejuce]

Jesus like all other prophets came with a duty/mission and a message. The message being the call to monotheism. His time period consisted of bringing those who have diverted off the path, back onto the path as well as with an update to the law (including abrogations). The Jews of that time also did NOT have any original text. All the writings were renditions of other edits. Oldest Masoretic text dates to 10th century, that's ~ 1000 years after Christ's time. This text differs from the originals. Masoretes even admitted they received corrupted texts to begin with. Also they follow the faith of their forefathers and are very tribal about it, which is to their detriment, they end up rejecting messengers like Jesus & Mohammad (Peace be upon both). (Funny that people think these books weren't tampered with throughout 1000 years.) The man was "not far from getting his BA" because he still held on to the faith of his forefathers and not what Jesus taught. The scribe intellectually understood the concepts (greatest commandment) but he may have needed to fully internalize and apply them in his life. Modern-day "Christians" also do not follow what he taught. Besides the fact that there aren't any original primary sources, what the (Pauline) "Christians" did was take the religion OF Jesus and made it a religion ABOUT Jesus. Infused with all the lovely Middle-Platonic Hellenism just like it's predecessor Judaism fell pray to as well. See the writings of Philo of Alexandria, and John's gospel for examples of this. The latter being very heavily influenced by the former... (something even William Lane Craig reluctantly admits to, but the truth is the truth).

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@snakejuce Wow, a Muslim answering a Jew on a Biblical Unitarian channel! What fun. Now, I understand that you have a vested interest in discrediting the Jewish and Christian Bibles, respectively, in favor of the Qur'an, but you can't go making things up to do so. I'll just take the most obvious example: The Masoretes certainly did not believe they were working with corrupted versions of the Torah. You'll have to cite chapter and verse if you want to claim otherwise. But I especially got a chuckle when you, as a Muslim, accused Jews of that time of tribalism. What's more tribal than the religious self-importance of the House of Islam? But I don't want to be unfair; the truth is that most religions believe their community holds the one and highest truth. Conservative Christianity is one of the worst this way, in fact, because they think you must be a Christian to be "saved." Judaism does not teach this about itself, and I don't think Islam does either.

[@snakejuce]

@@KingoftheJuice18 Only mods can post links. If you would like the sources for the Masoretes claim I will have them under my latest community post. If you're Jewish then de-facto you do not believe in the New Testament, so what's with the double-standard's and lies? Tribalism is forbidden in Islam, we're not Jews or Christians. Y'all willingly choose that ignorant path. And idk what this "House of Islam" nonsense you're on about even is. Though judging from the rest of your tone, it's another one of those lovely emotionally charged phrases fools bring up so as to divert the discussion from anything substantial.

[@aksk5770]

I don't think anyone in the scriptures refers to God as they. God is repeatedly referred to as he (singular person). Also greek and Hebrew both have a plural form of the word 'YOU' used for addressing multiple persons and a singular form when addressing One person. God is always addressed as though he is a single person e.g psalm 83:18 . When God speaks he says I, me ,my ,mine . if he wanted us to think of him as being multiple persons surely he would say we, us,our,ours (pleural).

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@aksk5770 You're touching on interesting points, but are you responding to something that I wrote, or did you mean to post your comment elsewhere? (You should just note, for the sake of completeness, that there are three times, I think, that God does say, "We" or "Us," in Genesis, such as, most famously, "Let us make the human in our image" in Gen 1. Trinitarians are very fond of drawing implications from those passages, but there are other good interpretations of those very rare references to plurality, such as God is speaking to the angels in His heavenly court.)

[@satpalhans2393]

😢Dear brother in Matthew 28 ordered to baptize the believers in the name of the Father and the Son and the HolyGhost and In 2corin. Last chapter and last words is also mentioned Trinity very clearly

[@biblicalunitarian]

Mentioning three things together, does not turn them into one God. Nowhere in Matthew 28:19 does he say that these three make up one God. Unitarians believe in all three of those beings: God the Father, Jesus the Messiah, and the Spirit which indwells believers. Again, mentioning three names does not turn them into one God, just as mentioning Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego (Dan. 3:16) does not turn them into one human.

[@shanederry2691]

Mark 13:19 For those days will be such a time of tribulation as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will again. Jesus only credits the Father with creation.

[@natanluiza2936]

Let's see here... Jesus is getting baptized and the Father speaks and the HolySpirit rests on Him like a dove. That's a triune God. He IS unitarian. That is the "inity" in trinity. But He also shows Himself in three ways. That's the "tri" in trinity. I am a Jewish believer in Jesus. Jews act like they don't like the idea of a trinity but the concept comes from the Torah. They know that in order for God to create relationships, there has to be a relationship within Himself since before the beginning. They ovserve scriptures like when God consoled Himself that He created mankind in Genesis 6 (from the Hebrew; it does not say He repented for making mankind in the Hebrew). They believe there is a Father and Son within God, and that in order for us to receive revelation, we need the Holy Spirit to reveal it to us. Male and female He created them, in His image. This is a picture of Jesus and His bride the church. God is Echad in the shema, not achat. Echad is the Hebrew word for one in the context of multiplicity. Achat would mean one within the context of full singularity. Jesus is an example of how to live biblically toward the Father. It would have been too confusing to take on the role of the Father while walking among us, since He was there to show us from our point of reference how to live toward the Father. The confusion from not living aubservient to the Father as His Son would border on cruel. God can have like passions as we have and also not be tempted, since He said after Adam and Eve ate the fruit, "Now that man is like us, knowing good and evil..." The book of Daniel says Messiah will go back to His throne from the earth, which is the Father's throne. It says Messiah will be worshipped and bowed to. The disciples bowed to and worshipped Jesus as God in the gospels. Jesus has to be God at this point or else this is idol worship. I have won souls to the Lord among my Jewish brethren with this passage in Daniel. Most of us don't realize in Judaism this passage in Daniel says Messiah is God and will be worshipped. If we do, it causes us to be far less leery toward the New Testament, the testimonies of the disciples (who are Jews we tend to want to trust), and the claims/teachings of Jesus Himself. We start to become skeptical of the rabbis at that point. "Why have we been lied to? What are they trying to hide from us?" Genesis 1:1 says in the Hebrew "In the beginning (breshit), Gods/Powers (Elohim), He created (bara) the heavens and the earth." It does not say "Breshit baru Elohim..." which would mean in the beginning Gods, they created... It does not say "Breshit bara El..." which would mean in the beginning God, He created... In the very first verse of the Bible, God already used grammatically incorrect Hebrew to make His point. The verse just like this in the New Testament is John 1:1 which explicitly states: " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not made anything that was made." Jesus says He is that Word. John goes on to say in the same chapter that the same Creator, a distinct manifestation of God, Jesus, the Creator, was the Light that shines in the darkness, amd the darkness (according to the Greek) could not grasp it. If we can't embrace the three-ness of God, are we of that darkness? This is not to ignore the biblical truth that God is One, but they simply don't cancel each other out. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are One Person. That Person chooses to express Himself in three diatinct ways. I don't claim to know why the Lord is this way, but I can embrace it the way a child does, as Jesus Christ the LORD commands us to.

[@cleitondecarvalho431]

how do you sacrifice someone who is immortal and cannot die ? what's the use of a pretended sacrifice ?

[@r1chm]

No human dies. They all have a spirit. So when they die, their flesh dies, but their spirit continues on. But if a loved one dies, you morn because their flesh died, but they themselves live on in heaven or hell. So the sacrifice is the flesh.

[@cleitondecarvalho431]

@@r1chm this is not a biblical doctrine. Adam was made out of dust and to the dust he returned. The spirit does not belongs to us, it goes back to the Creator, who gave it. Death is death, it's a punition, it is not a passage to God's home.

[@r1chm]

@@cleitondecarvalho431 I don't know what bible you are reading but death is not death, at least not for those who have eternal life, My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? (For those are saved and have eternal life. )rev21 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

[@cleitondecarvalho431]

@@r1chm your interpretation of the biblical doctrines is astonishingly poor and outdated. You throw the the whole Bible into contradiction because of your laziness of studying it as a whole.

[@r1chm]

@@cleitondecarvalho431 You are the one lazy, because first I say very little. I quote scripture, it does the talking, you are saying the scripture itself is in conflict. The first death is the flesh, the spirit continues on to be judged and it is determined, if you are a sheep or a goat, or heaven or hell bound for eternity. That is pretty much basic teaching at just about any church. I don't ever mention it because everyone knows. Only cults like Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Christian science, teach otherwise because they are not Christian and preach a gospel other than the one Jesus, the apostles, and Paul preached.

[@jimbobhaha]

Genisis 1:1 "In the beginning God (elohim) created..." Elohim (Strong's #430) is both Singular AND Plural. Y'all ever think that both camps are correct!? God is One ❤ Echad (#259) Shema ...counting yourselves wise... 2 Corinthians 10:12 Romans 1:22-23 James 3:13-18

[@agape832]

What you’ve written proves the Trinity because we believe Christ is distinct from the Father, yet are one in essence. Unitarians blaspheme, dishonouring Christ by saying He is a creature and not God, when the scriptures clearly state He existed before anything was ever created.

[@chronic_daydreamer]

Plurality is used to communicate greatness, the same as the royal “we” when only the monarch speaks of themselves. In this case, the simultaneous singular and plural nature of “Elohim” in Genesis 1:1 is used to the same effect. This is basic knowledge. It’s called an honorific plural or “pluralis majestatis.” Look it up if you don’t believe me. The Jews have never believed in a triune God, and to suggest that the concept of a Trinity is what Moses was *actually* trying to say here not only communicates a lack of understanding on your part when it comes to basic Hebrew, but also a desperation to fit a Trinitarian narrative that just isn’t there in the text in any form whatsoever - except in the mind of the person misinterpreting another language’s style. Hope this helps! The truth is neither heretical nor blasphemous. Obscuring and twisting truth to fit a narrative like the Trinity, however, is.

[@chronic_daydreamer]

@@agape832 And you also ignore the fact that he is the only-begotten and firstborn of creation. You simply cannot get around that. A creation always has a creator and a moment of creation. Only God is uncreated.

[@jimbobhaha]

@@chronic_daydreamer amazing

[@jimbobhaha]

@@chronic_daydreamer When was Jesus begotten?

[@duanekapp5525]

John 4:24 God is spirit, NOT 3 persons

[@YouTubeMaster1611]

Only begotten son. God created Jesus and had Jesus create all things. It’s that simple.

[@jomerorobia4140]

Peace be with you in the name of Jesus. Why the Trinity isn't mention by Jesus or the apostle because that not the will of God. Jesus already teach us who is the only true God, but the Trinitarian can't accept it with whole heart and whole understanding why.

[@r1chm]

Because Jesus said. If you knew me you would know my father as well. From now on (from this point in Jesus ministry), you do know him and have seen him. Show us the Father and that will be good enough. Jesus.. Don't you know me Philip after I have been among you so long? Anyone who has seen me, has seen the Father, how can you say. Show us the Father? The angels said to Joseph, His name shall be Emmanuel. God with us. Isaiah said, His name shall be called wonderful, counselor, the MIGHT GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER... In the beginning was the Logos (Word), the Logos was with God, and God was the Logos. The Logos became flesh and made his dwelling among us. Why can you not accept that Jesus is the Father by reading the text? Because the Logos (Word) is spiritually discerned. It is not straight forward. The OT scriptures Jesus says are talking about him are talking about someone else in the time before but also elude to a savior, which is why only the remnant will be saved, they reject Gods Word. He says, You still necked people, you always resist the Holy Spirit.

[@jomerorobia4140]

@@r1chm peace be with you. Are you Oneness? Yes, if you know the Son you will know his Father also. When Jesus taught his disciples about his Father, he also told them his Father is the only true God, and Jesus reminds his disciples that he sent by his Father, and he is greater than him. That why Jesus said his Father is the only true God. And it is true

[@r1chm]

@@jomerorobia4140 I am not oneness, not even sure what it means. Not trinitarian or unitarian. I don't believe in the doctrine of men, I just read the bible. I am not a teacher as they are judged more harshly. So this is my theory. God created us in his image we are nothing like him, we don't look act, or even have free will like he does. Paul said it best If I do not do what I want to do but continue doing what I don't want to do I agree it is not me that does it buy my flesh (sinful nature)

[@r1chm]

@@jomerorobia4140 My theory.. So my flesh wants to act independently of my intellect. We are body (flesh) soul (intellect) and spirit. God the Father is Intellect, the Son is the flesh, and there is the Holy Spirit. My flesh wants the cookie, my intellect says don't eat the cookie you will get fat, my spirit says don't eat at all, fast so you can hear the Holy Spirit. Paul said our flesh is at war.gal5 17the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so you don't do what you want.

[@jomerorobia4140]

@@r1chmthat is your problem, we have free will, we can choose and we can also reject. You quoted Paul letter and you misunderstood it. Do you believe the Father of Jesus is the only true God? Do you believe Jesus is the first and last creation of God?

[@lessummers5738]

Here is a question if Jesus was always the son eternaly just always was son why is not the 3rd person his son as well See what im saying they all co equal and yet only one is son why does the 3rd person not considered son how come he dont have a title as son?I guess they decited that the 3rd person whould just be holy spirit

[@ken440]

And that third person doesnt even get a seat to sit on in Rev21/22 !!

[@lessummers5738]

@@ken440 Yeah right good point

[@brosebrose4154]

Jesus Christ Himself says in Matthew 28:19 "Baptize them in the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Spirit.

[@FollowPaul1Lord1God]

Also since we're all "Sola Scripture"💯 I believe it's imperative to point out, that in ACTS 11, after being BAPTIZED in"Jesus Name"🫶 Was when, those of us following the "Apostles Doctrine", were first called "Christians". Unarguably the Acts Church baptized in Jesus name", there's absolutely no way to get around this ,FACT ✓ Per the ORIGINAL LABEL & Meaning? In Acts in order to be CALLED a"Christian" one would follow the Apostles doctrine AND BAPTIZE, as the apostles did. 👍 I'm reminding the 3rd century repackaged "Hindu Trinity baptizers", that they are the defectors... "Trinitarians" came 350 years AFTER the original Christians", Original Christians are "reclaiming OUR title"

[@Biblehasaleftsidealso]

@brodebrose4154 They got you there🤣

[@JesusJunkie2023]

Acts 11 is unarguably when everybody who was baptized in Jesus name was first called a christian, so where does that leave the third Century Trinity Baptizers, who misunderstood?

[@FromValkyrie]

​@@FollowPaul1Lord1GodJesus's name is Yahweh, which is the name of God. Therefore it covers all the persons of the Trinity. Heretic.

[@chronic_daydreamer]

@@FromValkyrieYahweh is the name of the Father. Jesus is the name of the Son. How can you contradict the doctrine of the Trinity so blatantly and call the Son the Father when the Son is God and the Father is God but the Son is not the Father and the Father is not the Son? Blasphemy! Or more likely… The Trinity is a blasphemous, illogical and Satanic lie that leads people away from everlasting life by obscuring true knowledge of the Father and the Son. (John 17:3) Either way, what you are saying 1) has no basis as a Bible teaching and 2) finds no support in the official Trinity dogma either. What you are saying is a corruption of BOTH and you have your own heretical belief here.

[@michaelparsons9063]

If I reference a holiday that falls on December 25th, that involves the birth of Jesus, and a fat man in a red suit, but never use the word CHRISTMAS… …are you completely confused to the holiday I’m referring to?🤪

[@biblicalunitarian]

That analogy doesn't fit the Unitarian/Trinitarian situation. A more fitting analogy would be that Thanksgiving is specifically mentioned multiple times clearly, yet there are a few mentions of snow, and a big celebration meal, and one concludes that we are talking about Christmas. The bible clearly lays out Unitarian theology (e.g. John 17:3; 1 Cor. 8:6, Eph. 4:5), but there are certain passages which are ambiguous about Jesus divinity (John 20:28; John 8:58) that Trinitarian's use to establish a Three person in one Godhead theology, which is never directly mentioned in the scriptures.

[@derrickpurdy7011]

The first chapter of Matthew ended the Trinity for me.

[@towbiyah998]

If the church fathers , people who were disciples of the apostles taught that Jesus was God what would your argument be?

[@derrickpurdy7011]

@@towbiyah998 Jesus is God. I don't need any argument. Since I am no longer trinitarian I don't need to maintain or defend logically inconsistent arguments. The trinitarian belief attempts to explain how separate persons are also one person and trips on itself along the way.

[@towbiyah998]

@@derrickpurdy7011 I myself think the trinitarian perspective answers all the verses that alludes to a Devine messiah in the old and New Testament and answers all the pre-existence verses that some of the disciples and Paul included alludes to. That fact you won’t answer that the church fathers had written letters to the churches about calling Jesus God shows how ignorant your perspective view is. Whether your trinitarian or Unitarian is not going determine whether your saved or not . The question I have is would God give a mere man all the worship and Glory that only a Devine being can possess or are you ok worshiping a man ?

[@derrickpurdy7011]

@@towbiyah998 Your initial question didn't mention anything about letters from the church fathers. Are you saying that the church fathers wrote letters to the churches because the churches were saying that Jesus was God? And did the church fathers disagree with that? I'm not entirely clear what you are saying with the church fathers. Perhaps you can rephrase your question clearly. In any event, I maintain that Jesus is God, and this is what the Bible teaches.

[@djmaydraws3862]

@@towbiyah998I’m of the mind the ante-nicene church Fathers DIDN’T believe Jesus was Almighty God. There’s consistent statements in their writings that point to Jesus being subordinate and created in comparison to the Father. As far as viewing Jesus as “God” we need to clear this misunderstanding that the word God only applies to Almighty God. Biblically that’s just not true. Men as well as angels have also been called God (Exodus 4:16, Psalm 8:5, Psalm 82:6) The understanding is that in a representative sense, as well as in the case of them being mighty/divine they can be termed “gods” Elohim/Theos. So it is not enough to be called God. We need to look at how the person is described if we want to equate them to Almighty God. We need to look at the qualities of Omnipotence, Omniscience and Uncausedness. When we look at those qualities it’s clear many 2nd and even 3rd century “Church Fathers” did not view Jesus as equal to God Almighty in any Nicean sense

[@euston2216]

If the omnipotent, unipersonal God - who dwells eternally far beyond our space-time continuum - is love (1 John 4:8,16), and if the greatest demonstration of love is to lay down one's own life for others (John 15:13), then we would expect the omnipotent, unipersonal God to express himself _within_ our space-time continuum, in genuine human form, so that he could in fact lay down his own life for us (1 John 3:16), raise himself from the dead (John 2:19), and give eternal life to all who believe on him (John 3:16). Open your eyes to the revelation of the one true God's *self-sacrificial love.*

[@qassimmohammedqassim6101]

Jesus is just a servant of God, as stated in the Gospel of Matthew 6. He is a prophet, as stated in Matthew 21 and Luke 24, chapter seven.

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

Jesus is "my God" (John 20:28).

[@FromValkyrie]

The Trinity is in Isaiah 48:12-16. The Trinity is in the entire chapter 61 of Isaiah. The voice in those passages calls himself God, yet also says he's been sent by *both* the Spirit *and* the Lord God. There's a reason Jesus chose Isaiah 61 as his first reading for his mission. He was boldly, yet subtly declaring himself as God. If only heretics actually read the *WHOLE* Bible. 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

[@chronic_daydreamer]

How can God put his own spirit upon himself? Starting with verse 1 proves you incontrovertibly wrong. God cannot have more than one identity, and yet here in Isaiah 61:1 we have God putting His spirit upon His anointed one. Jesus was declaring himself as God’s anointed one, the long awaited and prophesied seed, and Messiah. But “if only heretics actually read the WHOLE Bible,” huh?

[@FromValkyrie]

@@chronic_daydreamer If only you could read the entire old testament and see that God's divine attributes are capable of sentience. His attributes such as his word (Genesis 15, Jeremiah 1, 1 samuel 3), his presence, his wisdom (Proverbs 8) and his glory (which this same Isaiah sees sitting on a throne) can become persons capable of independent existence from him as well as sentience. It is these sentient attributes of God which speak both on behalf of God and as God. The text is pretty clear. 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

[@agape832]

Genesis 22 shows that God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son to Isaac, then the Angel of the LORD (Christ) stopped him, saying “now I can see that you fear God, as you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.” Jacob wrestled with God, he called the area Peniel, because he saw God face to face. Yet Hosea says Jacob wrestled with the Angel of the LORD. We can see in Exodus, God spoke to Moses from the burning bush, yet it says Moses saw the Angel of the LORD at the bush. Stephen, who was martyred for his faith in the book of acts says of this: Acts 7 35 “This is the same Moses they had rejected with the words, ‘Who made you ruler and judge?’ He was sent to be their ruler and deliverer by God himself, through the angel who appeared to him in the bush. 36 He led them out of Egypt and performed wonders and signs in Egypt, at the Red Sea and for forty years in the wilderness. So God spoke to Moses… And the Angel of the LORD spoke to Moses, sending him. Looks like the LORD and the Angel of the LORD are distinct, yet one.

[@FromValkyrie]

@@agape832 The Angel even explicitly calls himself God in Genesis 31:11-13

[@chronic_daydreamer]

@@FromValkyrie Sorry but this is completely delusional and a sad misinterpretation of scripture.

[@paulbennett9574]

You have not considered the third option, which is that both trinitarianism and unitarianism do not provide the full truth. There is one God, the Father, but the risen Lord is the Spirit of the Father. Read lsaiah 45:21,22,23. Then Philippians 2:9-11. There is only one God, and only one God to serve.

[@joel7248]

Completely non-sense; Trinity is just an Assumption and Faith can never be built with Assumptions

[@donfowler5117]

I found by believing in the Trinity it makes the Father and his Son a lier by omission. Trinity is error.

[@ArtorGrael]

Re the Shema, trinis go on endless how ECHAD means things other than or beyond ONE. It is a waste of time because the Bible never says God is SHALOSH..

[@HaveAThought]

Thank you for the love and truth. Proof of Jesus is the Light. The truth the word the love and the life the way. Here's the thing start with #1 Space can't have anything If there isn't a place to put it. Space was dark and quiet and a virgin. Lonely at the top so he fixed that made himself a mate . #2 was created by #1 Her z #2 Is Frequency so when #1 and #2 had Dark Space and Sound for some time until they had a Son he was the first light. #3 . Three intelligences , the place is lit up and for some time all the did was make more light so many stars in space. They could only Glorify themselves. So it was time to invent some life. The earth as it spins it gives a since of time. Space will always be and Sound and Light. We live inside and they live within us. To call yourself anything other than Man is falisy. Thought is needed to live. Truth is power and lion aka lying lie n

[@johnwoodruff1878]

You need to read the book I got to change my I forgot Trinity.

[@ibrahimsd8995]

Question are unitarians modern day Arians ?

[@biblicalunitarian]

Some are Arians (who believe in the Pre-existence of Jesus) and some are not. We at Biblical Unitarian do not believe in Pre-existence.

[@theprinceofdarkness4679]

I would argue that Jesus was not even the Messiah that allegedly was prophesied in the "OT" because he did not fulfill a single one of those messianic prophecies one such "prophecy" is found in the 2nd chapter of Isaiah his alleged death on a "stauros" indicates that he completely failed if that was his objective to actually become a "messiah" the so-called prophecies that Jesus allegedly fulfilled are NOT messianic & if one believes that he actually did fulfill those prophecies then the only option is to believe that Jesus somehow has a much different role than a messiah would have the so-called virgin birth prophecy actually predicts the birth of Maher-Shalal-Hash-baz so that doesn't fit the suffering servant prophecy in Isaiah is NOT a messiah at all but rather a mysterious "branch" which according to Jewish interpretation is "Jacob" or "Israel" & that makes more sense to me but also irrelevant to me besides all of that there is the part of Isaiah that says that Cyrus is the Messiah so I think that excludes Jesus completely because the NT is constantly misquoting or misinterpreting the "OT" it would probably be better to discard the NT & basically forget that Jesus ever existed as for me I must dismiss & disregard the "OT" because none to less than 3% of my ancestors were the ancient Israelis the ancient Israelis were told to not be loyal to foreign gods which causes me to ponder that if the Israeli gods were foreign to my own ancestors until after Christianity was introduced into Europe then what business do I have showing loyalty to gods that were foreign to my own ancestors that & the Israeli gods seem to have waited 4.5 billion years to make themselves known to my own ancestors in a form that was "perverted" from the original it makes more sense to revert to my ancestral path rather than convert to something so artificial

[@davidtirschman6288]

Spending time about arguing is a total waste. If we can spend another minute with our loving heavenly Father why not choose this. Much time is spent on talk about or that difference. Be glad that you are what god has led you to. Can we not just respect and stand in simple Christian fellowship.

[@eddieyoung2104]

But, if I had the wrong idea about who Jesus was, and who the one God was, then I'd really want someone to enlighten me. And it would make me really happy if I had my eyes opened to something I was blind to. That would then allow me to spend many more minutes with our heavenly father, and with Jesus. With the very real benefit of knowing just who they are. Not to mention, aren't we always meant to be with our heavenly father? Or he with us? Communicating with others doesn't exclude us from his presence. And are we not exhorted in Malachi 3:16 to speak with others?

[@ken440]

I agree with Eddie. And I am ashamed I held to trinitarian views for nearly 4 decades, because when the correct way of understanding scripture is seen (it just came clear after years of foggyness) it is so straightforward and clear. But its different to the sermons and religious writings of hundreds of years of these "last days" teachings. What these unitarian channels are doing is not arguing for argument, it is waving a flag to the fellow battalions of fellow christians saying "an enemy has messed with our orders, recheck your orders!" Its about an issue of divide and conquer being enacted by an unseen enemy. Unitarians are pointing out details of misrepresented scripture within religious tradition. Check on your understandings. I would want to know also.

[@CalledUntoHoliness]

If you believe that Christ Jesus is not God in the flesh, you are a liar and the truth is not in you. - 1 Timothy 3:16/John 1:10/Revelation 1:8.

[@Aoel2012]

Abraham is the father of every nation Issac is the sacrificial son Jacob…died as Jacob and reborn as Israel and made a garment for his son (he did even more) The best example is the sun and moon. The rays of the sun burns flesh, this is because the Holy Spirit in God is judgement but the Holy Spirit in Jesus is redemption, the moon reflects the sun’s glory yet it doesn’t burn During a solar eclipse; the moon stands between the sun and the earth to receive the full wrath of the sun onto himself while protecting the earth from the aggressive rays that would otherwise scorch the earth. That same fire, that at night while we’re in darkness allows us to see Jesus is the spirit of God made flesh, he’s the son of God according to the spirit and he’s the son of man according to the flesh, Jesus is the new wine skin and the father is the new wine. God can only exist in Jesus NOT in you, because Jesus was made sin who knew no sin, we who know sin can be with father. Jesus is the place where we can be with God in spite of our sin and God can be with us without judgment, in other words, Jesus is our holy ground Think about this; Jesus lived a life perfect before God and he came into this world through a woman so he didn’t incur the curse of the flesh as men who are born of men and he didn’t eat the fruit. Jesus would have never died because he was sinless, God had to cut him off so that he could actually die. Jesus is an extension of God. God is the source of all things, he never runs out of anything so even if he cut his right hand off or cut out his right eye he will never lose it because his arm will grow back (I’m talking about the resurrection but also the withered hand and a parable) For one brief moment, father and son were two distinct individuals. When my son was born and he left my wife’s womb, he and her were two different people, elements of his mother were in him, but he was no longer in her The father is in the son but because the son is flesh he was no longer in God. Meaning God is in Jesus as the father but Jesus was not in God when he died for all our sins so only Jesus was crucified not God Jesus is the narrow path and god is the wide path and more find god than Jesus When you believe in the son, you get the father also but when you believe in God, you don’t get Jesus. This is why all religions believe in God in some fashion or another but only Christians believe in Jesus The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God and the spirit of Jesus, who is the reason Jesus couldn’t sin. The Holy Spirit is the blood of the covenant and you’re saved because the blood covers you like a garment Who is Antichrist? he that denies the father and the son is Antichrist. To deny Jesus is to deny both father and son. Blasphemy against the father and the son will be forgiven but not against father and son who is the spirit of Christ What is the purpose of Christians? We’re the salt and salt preserves the sacrifice by absorbing the blood. We preserve Jesus by drinking his spirit

[@Ocapela215]

Man, Get over it. Jesus already said "I and the father are one". And the Holy spirit is throughout the whole Bible since Genesis chapter one v 2. The denial of these very things are exactly what Jesus was addressing. John 14:25

[@chronic_daydreamer]

He also said he’s one with the congregation. He also said that a husband and wife are one. He told the congregation to be one. Do you suppose he meant that literally, to be one flesh and one body literally, as if some abomination that dissolves individual identity? Or perhaps do you suppose he meant that to mean united in mind and spirit? I’m sure you’ll work it out.

[@Ocapela215]

@@chronic_daydreamer Everything becomes one because of the connection to God. Man, Women, and God are a marriage. Jesus married the Church. The church is the congregation. The congregation is the Embodiment of the Holy spirit. So Father, Son, Holy spirit is the same as: God, Jesus is the bridegroom and the church is the bride. OT: Hosea 2:19. NT: Mark 2: 18-20. Do you believe that when you are married, you are unified in mind and spirit and become likened to one flesh as well?

[@chronic_daydreamer]

@@Ocapela215 So then we are God too by your logic.

[@Ocapela215]

@@chronic_daydreamer Nope. Only those that believe in Christ will be filled and receive the comforter which is the Holy Spirit.

[@ken440]

@@Ocapela215 Did you just dodge the obvious logic there? If Jesus calls to his father and wants all us followers to be one in them as they are one, then by your logic above we must all be part of the godhead. Its simple logic but you avoided it.

[@FiveNineO]

Great presentation. The Trinity is dead

[@qassimmohammedqassim6101]

Read the Qur’an, the story of the Prophet Jesus, just a prophet who came to implement Jewish law and worship God, as mentioned in Luke and Matthew. A prophet.

[@chronic_daydreamer]

The Quran is an apocryphal and uninspired writing that contradicts the writings of Moses and the Prophets and insults Jesus’ own words. If Jesus describes himself as the Son of God, then Mohammed insults him by calling him a liar.

[@JeffBar-c7g]

Unitarianism isn't mentioned in the bible polytheism isn't mentioned in the bible monotheism isn't mentioned in the Bible.

[@chronic_daydreamer]

Yes, it is. Again and again and again. Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; John 17:3… Look I could go on and on but etymologically “monotheism” literally comes from words meaning “one god.” So yes, monotheism is, in fact, mentioned in the Bible.

[@JeffBar-c7g]

@@chronic_daydreamer 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 John 3:34-36 john 4:23-36. Gen 3:8-10 they were sinners at this point. Genesis 3:21 first animal sacrifice for the sake of sin.

[@kp8174]

Who is the Holy Spirit then? Is He God as God IS Spirit? Is He the Spirit of Jesus? I believe that Jesus was a human man and God the Father-the One True God, placed His Spirit inside of Jesus and spoke through Jesus. Hence Jesus is the (spoke the) Word (s) of God. We are to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. (Side question…Do they all have the same name?) so the Holy Spirit is important. Plus Jesus said that He will send the Holy Spirit once He went to The Father.

[@eddieyoung2104]

I believe the holy spirit is God's power. As seen in Luke 1:35, and Luke 11:20. Also John 14:26 compared with Matthew 10:19-20. There's other passages as well, but I can't think of them right now.

[@kp8174]

@@eddieyoung2104Thank you for your answer. In John 14:26, Jesus calls the Holy Spirit the Comforter and calls it/him a "He". How can it be "power" if it's a 'He"? This would denote that it's a being/person, a "He". John 14:16-17 (and John 15:26)Jesus says HS is another Helper, the Spirit of truth and proceeds from The Father. How can "power" be another Helper? Plus again we are to be baptized into the three, Father, Son, HS. In 1 John 5:8 it states that there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, The Word, and the Holy Ghost and these three are one. I understand when it says these three are one it means one in purpose etc. But is it saying that the HS is a separate entity?

[@eddieyoung2104]

@@kp8174 I'm not entirely sure about the translation of 'he', but if the translators are assuming the spirit is a person, then I guess they're going to use 'he' instead of 'it'. Someone more knowledgeable in this area might be able to comment on that. Why does he call it a comforter or helper? If I can use an example, that of an AI online assistant, which is a helper, we know it's not a real person or being. It's just a computer program, yet it's personified because it's acting as a person might. It could be the same with the spirit. That Jesus personifies it, not because it's a separate being, but because it's acting as a being might do. In this case it's acting on behalf of the Father, and Jesus, to transfer information and power to the believer. Just as the AI assistant transfers information on behalf of the human who runs the website. John 16:13 shows this idea, '...for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak...' The main point was that Jesus was going away, and he wanted his words to carry on being with his disciples. As he says in 14:26, 'But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost...he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, *whatsoever I have said unto you* '. That again shows it's acting to channel Jesus' word to the disciples. Like the computer programmer gives the desired text to the AI online assistant, and it then channels that information to the customer. With 1 John 5:7, it's usually seen as a later insertion, so it's hard to put any weight on that.

[@kp8174]

@@eddieyoung2104 Thank you. Food for thought. Blessings to you.

[@eddieyoung2104]

@@kp8174 You're welcome

[@qassimmohammedqassim6101]

Islam came to correct Christianity. Read the Qur’an. The story of the Prophet Jesus. The Gospel of Barnabas is also very important

[@r1chm]

When you are baptized in the Holy Spirit like Jesus said, and can speak in tongues, and prophesy or lay hands on the sick. Come back and talk to me.

[@patrick953]

If Jesus is a creature, then your salvation is built on shifting sand. If Jesus is a creature, then he is capable of change, and if he can change, then he is capable of Sinning. All you can say about Jesus is that he hasn't sinned "YET", nevertheless he may sin tomorrow or sometime in the future, and once he sins, everything is undone, and all those who have suffered and died for Jesus have perished. It's simple as ABC, Unitarians claim that Jesus is convertible (i.e. that he can Sin), therefore Unitarians are not Christians because the bible teaches that Jesus is immutable.

[@Biblehasaleftsidealso]

Peter & Paul taught the first church successor Clement, that the "only God", was the father. Clement, was Peters "successor", greeted by "Paul in Philippians 4:3" and ran the church60-90AD till Martyred. Here's Clement: 1 Clement 59:4. "Let all the Gentiles know that 👉Thou art the God alone, and 🫴Jesus Christ is Thy Son. Clement echos Jesus perfectly as follows: John 17:3 "Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the 👉only true God, and 🫴 Jesus Christ, whom You have sent." Irenaeus~ Against Heresies 3.9.1 (180-200AD) The Lord Himself handing down to His disciples, that He, the Father, is the 🫳only God and Lord, who alone is God and ruler of all… 300+ years After the apostles passed the narrative got out of hand. America's only "247 years old"! AND we're definitely NOT ""early Americans"? Hebrews 1 encourages us to worship Jesus like the Angels did, because "Yah" raised him from the dead & made him a God at his Right hand.

[@patrick953]

@@Biblehasaleftsidealso So you give divine worship to a 33 year old Galilean peasant and pray to him?

[@patrick953]

@@Biblehasaleftsidealso Besides I can also give you quotes of Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin the Martyr etc all calling Jesus God, so calm down with the quotes.

[@jimbobhaha]

"I AM"

[@ken440]

The point is Jesus was obedient to his God, unlike the first Adam who did change. Thats why the human, last Adam, messiah, was raised and glorified and seated second only to God Himself, and this Jesus was "made Lord and anointed" (Acts2:36) because of his faithfull obedience!!! You say Jesus has to be more than a creature? So by your logic was Joseph under pharaoh therefore having to actually be an egyptian? Because Joseph was raised to right hand, glorified and given all power and authority, under Pharaoh, as if pharaoh, when he was a lowly Hebrew slave !!!!!

[@konradkanuckle5920]

If there is s deity, it has nothing to do with the man made fables and superstitions than humans call relugion.

[@agape832]

except that the bible fits into history like a jigsaw puzzle piece, showing the writers were concerned with recording accurate information, and the fact that the writers died testifying what they wrote was true rather than saying “it’s all made up” shows they believed what they saw and again were concerned with accuracy. Why else would they go to the ends of the earth preaching Christ, when they could have much more comfortable lives being quiet at home? They lost worldly power, reputations diminished in their home nation, there’s no reasonable way to deny that Christ rose again. Christ also foretold the future in the destruction of the second temple of 70 AD, the gospel of Luke was written long before this, as Paul who died in 65 AD approx wrote a letter to Timothy quoting Luke as scripture. On top of the prophecies in history like Ezekiel 28 and Daniel, which genuinely came to pass after being written it’s clear the God of the bible is the true God, and He has clearly spoken from His Word. He challenges all other false gods to do this, but none have successfully done it, only He has. If we read scripture and are able to harmonise it all, we are very unlikely to fall into error. But simply to write it off as fables isn’t really that open. On the other hand things like life forming from non life and evolution over millions of years are total fairytales with laughably bad evidence, riddled with philosophical assumptions. Did you know when dating fossils and the earth, “scientists” literally dispose of data that they don’t like? Hardly science. The results they get are totally unreliable. Also, if you reject God, and wrongly believe we are just molecular machines, how are you any different to Amazon Alexa? Do you have the breath of life in you as God put it in us, or are you going to deny this? To be consistent you will have to admit your worldview gives no reason why Alexa shouldn’t have feelings, neither does it say why humans are more valuable than a bit of plastic

[@konradkanuckle5920]

@@agape832 hogwash, and gullibility. Adults should have critical think8ng skill, leave the fantasy to the children.

[@ernestbailey6617]

That's you're opinion what does the word of God say? The word Bible is also not in the Bible .. why do you call the Word of God the bible?

[@chronic_daydreamer]

Straw man argument.

[@ernestbailey6617]

Same with the word Trinity is not in the Bible but the proof is ... any opinion Mr strawman.. same goes for the rapture

[@chronic_daydreamer]

@@ernestbailey6617 We call it the Bible because we call it the Bible. It just means “the books” in Greek. No-one understands what you’re even trying to say here.

[@patrick953]

This guy quotes 1 Cor 8:6 and doesn't still understand how that verse ends Unitarianism. Paul is contrasting the deities of the ancient world with that of the Christians and he mentions two entities for the Christian side which are Father and Son. This right there is Binitarianism.

[@luguetm4864]

One God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ clear enough to say Only the Father is God. You don't want to see it.

[@patrick953]

@@luguetm4864 Since it says that there is one Lord Jesus, does that mean that the Father isn't also Lord? You unitarians are very funny 😁. Lord and God are titles nothing more.

[@Avenlane]

@@luguetm4864 *Hebrews 1:8* But unto the Son, He (the Father) saith, Thy throne, *_O God,_* is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Here is the one God, the Father, referring to His Son as *God* that should be enough to convince you that Jesus also holds the divine title of God.

[@Biblehasaleftsidealso]

Peter & Paul taught the first church successor Clement, that the "only God", was the father. Clement, was Peters "successor", greeted by "Paul in Philippians 4:3" and ran the church60-90AD till Martyred. Here's Clement: 1 Clement 59:4. "Let all the Gentiles know that 👉Thou art the God alone, and 🫴Jesus Christ is Thy Son. Clement echos Jesus perfectly as follows: John 17:3 "Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the 👉only true God, and 🫴 Jesus Christ, whom You have sent." Irenaeus~ Against Heresies 3.9.1 (180-200AD) The Lord Himself handing down to His disciples, that He, the Father, is the 🫳only God and Lord, who alone is God and ruler of all… 300+ years After the apostles passed the narrative got out of hand. As America's only "247 years old", and we're definitely NOT ""early Americans"? Hebrews 1 encourages us to worship Jesus like the Angels did, because "Yah" raised him from the dead & made him a God at his Right hand. Take it in... S Gentiles dividing the holy jealous God of Israel into fractions😬 Christians had no business in "reframing" the biblical narrative", with ZERO framework or Apostolic procession. Only 2% of people in Israel even believe in the Messiah💯 Trinitarians are. Hiding Israel's Messiah-Son-of-Man.

[@luguetm4864]

@@patrick953 In terms of titles God is a higher level than Lord. 1 Corinthians 11 : 3 makes this rank : God > Christ > man> woman. Calling Jesus Lord does not mean he is God. Moses, David for example were called lords. The only funny thing is to think that God spent 9 months in the womb of Mary, born, learned knowledge when growing, tempted by the devil, received the holy spirit, and DIED. All the contrary of WHAT God is. God is not a man (Hosea 11: 9) Scriptures are clear Only the Father is God, the supreme entity John 17:3.

[@qassimmohammedqassim6101]

Watch this video

[@IAmR1ch]

God didn't speak silence when he created the universe. He spoke it. Jesus was not silent when he told everyone the way. The apostles were not silent when they spoke the work. I prefer the word over science. Even a fool when he is silent people think he is wise, when he is not. So the silence you talk about does not speak anything, and your whole message is based on logical fallacy, and made up stuff. The bible makes it quite clear that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit. Unitarianism is a false teaching and denys the power of Jesus and that he is the Logos. The word, and God is also the word.

[@RichardClark-i6b]

EMANUEL = GOD WITH US , GOD INCARNATE , THE ALPHA AND OMEGA THE BEGINING AND THE END , FATHER , SON , AND HOLY SPIRIT AND THESE THREE ARE ONE. Jesus Christ is not. A. God , Jesus Christ is not A created being, the Holy Spirit is not an impersonal force. , quit acting like jehovahs witnesses, God said let U S. make man in O. U. R. image we were made in the image of God, Which part of you is not you 1 your Spirit 2 your mind ( soul ) 3 your body Who raised Jesus Christ from the dead ? GOD. ? Jesus Christ said destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it again, If thou shall confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believe that G O D the Father has raised him from the dead thou shall be saved, And if this same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead shall dwell in your moral bodies than so shall you be raised from the dead , ONE GOD. THREE COMPLETE IN ONE. which is not of the egg , 1 the shell 2 the yolk 3 the white. Together they are the egg , separate they are of the egg , The problem is your trying to make it sound like 3 separate God's, Who are we to try to understand everything about God , people have a bigger problem, and that is OBEDIENCE TO GOD ,

[@stevenasser368]

neither the Trinitarians nor the Unitarians understand the Godhead ..... The Trinity Doctrine is false but to deny the Deity of Jesus is also false .... Jesus was both God and man ... The Trouble with intellectual arguments is both miss the mark ..... Jesus did say before Abraham was I AM ..... referring to the I AM in Exodus .... He also said unless you believe I AM He ! You shall die in your sins .... When Saul/Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus ... He didn't see a man He saw a Pillar of Fire a blinding Light ..... This Blinding Light said said I am Jesus whom thou persecutest !

[@agape832]

Okay so if you accept the Deity of Christ, which is true, Jesus is God, how can you then reject the Trinity? When Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist, God the Father appeared and said “This is My Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased”, and the Holy Spirit came down from heaven in the form of a dove. Three distinct persons, all One God are clearly at work here.

[@stevenasser368]

@@agape832 Not so! God is Omnipresent ... He was a Pillar of Fire, a Cloud by day and He dwelt in the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle .... That didn't make three persons ...... Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit ..... In Ephesians the one that Descended is the same one who Ascended and fills all things ! Ephesians 4 :10

[@jollyrancher521]

In John 8:58 Jesus is not declaring himself to be God. Some believe Jesus is making an allusion to Exodus 3:14 where God says, “I AM THAT I AM,” according to the King James version. But Jesus did not say that. He used the Greek expression “ego eimi” (“I am”), which was a common expression and was used by several people in the Bible. For example, in John 9:9 the man who Jesus cured of blindness said “ego eimi”, affirming that he was the one cured by Jesus. In Acts 10:21, Peter used “ego eimi” to say, “I am the one you are looking for.” In John 8:58, Jesus is simply saying that he existed before Abraham. “Before Abraham was born, I am.” (Koine Greek does not distinguish between upper and lower class letters as if "I AM" were a title.) Other translations translate this verse to more proper English: “Before Abraham was born, I have been” or “I existed before Abraham was born.”

[@r1chm]

The only glaring omission is that what your are saying is a glaring logical fallacy. Because Jesus didn't say he was messiah in the beginning of his ministry does not mean he wasn't. He kept telling people don't tell people I performed this miracle, or woman what do you want from me, my time has not come yet, or No one who wants to be a public figure acts in secret. Jesus said, my time has not come yet, for you any time will do.John7:4-6 We did not find out until later. Jesus is the Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father. From now on (from this point in Jesus ministry) you do know him and have seen Him. Philip said, Show us the Father and that would be enough. Jesus said. Don't you know me Philip after I have been with you so long. Anyone who has seen me, has seen the Father. How can you say show us the Father. If I came to your church, and I said, I and the Father are one and anyone who has seen me, has seen the Father. You would cry blasphemy and try to stone me. Just like the pharisees tried to stone Jesus. Which he said, which of these good works do you try to stone me for. They sad, we are not trying to stone you for good works but that you a mere man claim to be God. You then made a big deal about God being the creator.Col1:15 The son is the image of the invisible God first born over all creation. For in him all things were created, things in heaven and things on earth. In the beginning was the Word. (Jesus), The Word was with God and the Word was God, The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us and we have seen his glory. Because Jesus is God Emmanuel God with us. Does the theory of Trinity explain everything? No. But what the Unitarians belief is a non starter and qualifies for false teaching. Because it denies the power of Jesus, who is God, and the power of the Holy Spirit, who is also God and goes out from God when Jesus when back to heaven.. I prefer my explanation. That we are created in Gods image. We are nothing like him, we don't look like him, act like him or even have free will like him when we have a sinful nature. We are like him because we are a trinity. We have soul/ intellect (Father God), we have the flesh, (Jesus is the Flesh and made his dwelling among us), and we have Spirit. If I do not do what I want to do and continue to do what I don't want to do I agree that it is not me who does it but my flesh/sinful nature. It acts independently of my soul and spirit. Does my explanation cover everything? No. Because right now we see through a glass dimly lit. We know in part, until completion comes and we see him face to face we will always know in part, but then we will know fully. I am not a teacher, because they a re judged more harshly, but I have the Holy Spirit. The same Spirit leads us to all truth. I recommend everyone receive the Holy Spirit by the laying of hand on them like the apostles did so people spoke in tongues and prophesy. Then you won't need me sharing the bible with you or some false Unitarian preacher preaching to you falsehood and false teachings.

[@ken440]

total foolishness of non comprehension in your comment.

[@r1chm]

@@ken440 In a discussion or a debate, the first person to resort to personal attacks has nothing in the tank. You my friend, have an empty tank. To say that you can draw a factual conclusion from silence is a total fabrication and logical fallacy. Another logical fallacy is because my church and their leadership believe something because the researched it, it must be true, that is called band wagon. Did you know by calling me a fool, you are in danger of hell fire. LOL .But I don't think we have to worry about that after speaking words against the Holy Spirit.

[@r1chm]

@@ken440 How about this, in one of the other videos, this kid refutes a bunch of times the bible says Jesus is God. He twists the word to make it sound like what was said, wasn't really what was said. I was going to say. Who else said Jesus was God. Doubting Thomas put his hand in Jesus side and sad, Jesus was his Lord and his God. Jesus did not stay silent, nor did he correct him, He said, You believe (the Jesus is God) because you have seen? Blessed are those who have not seen yet believe Jesus is God. How you guys going to twist that to make him say well he really didn't believe he was God, he just said that for giggles. What should give people pause is when the bible and numerous occasions say Jesus is God and twice he is the Father and a person like this kid your you twists the word to make it say the opposite of what they are saying. While you and this kid keep denying the power of Jesus as the creator and his power, I am going to say, Anyone who has seen Jesus, has seen the Father, because that is what the Word says and it is the truth.

[@r1chm]

@@ken440 One more little thing. When the rich young ruler said to Jesus, good master. Jesus said NO ONE is good except the Father. But Jesus is the spotless lamb of God. So Jesus was either saying he was not good and he was not the spotless lamb, or he is the Father. You guys go and twist that one up to say the opposite what was said,, good luck LOL.

[@ken440]

@@r1chm well i dont intend twisting anything, but i would point out that Jesus actually said those things to the guy. i.e. he hadnt died yet. The point being you are assuming Jesus is those things from birth. You perhaps miss the point that Jesus LEARNED from the things he suffered. Jesus BECAME a life giving spirit. Jesus was RAISED AND GLORIFIED. Jesus was MADE LORD AND ANOINTED after he was raised. The triumph of God that the enemy perhaps didnt notice (and you havent yet) is that Jesus died and shed his blood that we can come under by faith, died on a PASSOVER. i.e. when he spoke to that dude you talk about, he was simply the messiah, (anointed one), the great prophet to Israel, he came to his own but they RECIEVED HIM NOT. He had NOT YET become the sacrificed lamb of God. So after the transfiguration on mt Hermon (where jewish tradition says the rebel elohim descended) he obediently went Jerusalem and to the cross of sacrifice, he BECAME the lamb of God. When he spoke to the dude he was just their future king. He wasnt yet the atonement for sin or the lamb or made lord of heaven and earth or given all power and authority, or glorified to Gods right hand. He wasnt turning folk into christians, but he was preaching their promised kingdom to the jews only. They didnt accept him. Comprehension of all scripture, not just proof verses.

[@FaithfulComforter]

So you know better than Council of Nicea? Even the early Protestant Reformers didn’t believe this heresy of denying the Trinity. Lord have mercy

[@jesusisthechristthesonofgod]

in which chapter of the new testament is the council of nicea held? it must have been held by the original apostles to be so reliable, was Jesus there?

[@ken440]

Yes we pray the Lord will have mercy on the trinitarian mistake.

[@FaithfulComforter]

@@ken440 Trinity is not a mistake lol. You guys are weird

[@FaithfulComforter]

@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod Christian history is rich. The Council of Nicea happened in 325 AD. Jesus ended his ministry in 33AD. Cmon man

[@ken440]

@@FaithfulComforter Jewish history was rich, yet they missed their messiah, got the message mixed with religious tradition of pharisees. Noah's sons history was rich, yet they got it wrong and had themselves cast out while God formed a new group through Abraham, and looked after them alone. Preflood tradition was rich, yet they got so bad God had to wash them away. Catholic tradition was rich, yet one man stood against them and you already showed your favour for that upheaval, and he was called heretic by the established church at the time. do you get the point? Religious traditions might be rich but that doesnt mean they are therefore right. In fact its quite biblical for the majority to have strayed back onto the wide road.

[@yl5020]

God is the Trinity. It doesn't make sense, but it's true. Boom. Done. Stop wasting your time on this crap, and get to know Jesus for real for real. In Spirit. Supernaturally. You're missing out on the most beautiful relationship beyond anything this world or your unnecessary "knowledge" has to offer.

[@Biblehasaleftsidealso]

Clement trained by Peter, recognized in Philippians 4:3 By Paul, ran the first church in Rome 60-90AD 1 Clement 59:4. "Let all the Gentiles know that 🫱Thou art the God alone, and ✌️Jesus Christ is Thy Son. Irenaeus~ Against Heresies 3.9.1 (180-200AD) The Lord Himself handing down to His disciples, that He, the Father, is the 🫱only God and Lord, who alone is "God and ruler of all"… Two separate individuals just like King Charles and Prince William.

[@eddieyoung2104]

Once Jesus is recognised as the man who's been made immortal by his father, then we can indeed have a beautiful relationship with him. Because we know he's our elder brother, who was tempted like us, and yet has brought us unto God his father. The firstborn among many brethren. And he's given us the hope of being made immortal like him at the resurrection. As he is the firstfruits of them that slept, and the firstborn from the dead, that we might follow after.

[@RockyService]

1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Genesis 18:1,2 - And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, *three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, (these men go on to speak as one in verse 5 & 9) Genesis 19:24 - Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (Note how the LORD called fire from LORD) I don’t know of any Trinitarian, who doesn’t call himself a monotheist or think you have to believe the Trinity to be saved. Only know that salvation comes through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for remission of sin & His death burial, and resurrection. Not to be cruel, but Unitarians just come off like contrarians like you just wanna be different regardless of what the Bible says. Small un biblical aside the universe smacks of Trinity’s all around us. If you just look for them, I see this as a fingerprint of God, just saying.

[@chronic_daydreamer]

1 John 5:7 in the KJV is a known and verified later addition that does not appear in earlier manuscripts, i.e. it’s not authentic.

[@RockyService]

@@chronic_daydreamer that’s a separate conversation. I could also find it in the book of Isaiah, but I noticed how you ignored the genesis versus. 👌🏽

[@biblicalunitarian]

Chronic Daydreamer is right about 1 John 5:7. As far as Gen. 18, it specifically calls two of them "angels" just a few verses later, so this is not a Trinity by any means. Since we responded to your comments, What did you disagree with in the video? Do you see how Eph. 4:4-6 and 1 Cor. 8:6 teach Unitarianism, where God is just the Father, and neither Jesus nor the Spirit are included in Paul's definition of God? You said, "I don’t know of any Trinitarian, who doesn’t call himself a monotheist or think you have to believe the Trinity to be saved." The vast majority of Churches think you have to believe the Trinity to be saved. You also said, "Only know that salvation comes through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for remission of sin & His death burial, and resurrection." Totally agree.

[@ken440]

@@RockyService You have been well answered. No response? Convinced perhaps? I hope so.

[@RockyService]

@@biblicalunitarian no those are actually great Trinitarian verses if read correctly. God doesn’t have a body for instance, only Christ. And you’re seriously misreading the Genesis verses I’m giving Abraham literally worships the three men and gives them a blood sacrifice angels, always refuse worship. This is how you should read the Bible also you should watch some Brandon Peterson videos and you can see how corrupt the KJV actually is. My friend has a KZbin channel called Thetruthisnotsubjective if you’d like to come on and debate these topics he’s doing a 24 hour live stream this Friday. I’ll most likely be there. Also, I’d like to challenge you to look up at a transliteration of the names of the generations from Adam to Noah. And then tell me who had to die for our sins. Thank God bless in the singular name of The Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit.

[@harold2]

Hi. I am a trinitarian. In this view, there is only one God and Jesus recognizes the Father as God, v.v., and so the Holy Spirit. Notice the unforgivable sin: sins against Jesus Jesus can forgive, but to the Holy Spirit it cannot be. Jesus Himself exalts the Holy Spirit so should we. 1. The Mark passage you gave is not suprising because I agree that Jesus believes in one God. 2. How do you know 1Cor8:6 _is defining God_? On the surface, shows the participation of both the Father and the Son in creation. 2.1. We see here that all things were made through the Son. The Son could not have been created through the Son, that is, Jesus is before the creation. 2.2. f you exclude Jesus from the "God" category, then you should be ready to exclude the Father from the "Lord" category. 3. I do not know why Paul does not mention the Holy Spirit in his greetings. Why do you think Paul should mention the Holy Spirit? Is the deity of the Holy Spirit the subject of his epistle? Or the deity of the Son? 4. How do you know "the Creaor" excludes Jesus? Didn't 1Cor8:6 show that He is also the Creator? 4.1. You can recall that in Mark, Jesus told a demon to be silent about His identity. This shows that Jesus does not necessarily have to divulge His identit nor His part in the creation. 5. Why are you expecting a definition of God in Eph 4:4-6? (Also isn't Paul describing the one God and Father of all, not God.) 5.1. The Spirit, the Son, and the Father being separate persons is acknowledge in the trinity. 5.2. It does not say that only the Father is God and that the Son and the Spirit are not. John 17:3 has a closer interpretation to what you're saying. 5.3. Eph 4:4-6 decribes the Father is over all, through all, and in all. Gal 3:28 describes Chirst similarly. Even the Holy Spirit will dwell in all the believers. The trinity not being mentioned in the Bible is not something to worry about. If you are a fan of maths, this is something natural. The universe does not scream the pythagorean theorem, but we can deduce it.

[@FromValkyrie]

From what I can tell about unitarians, they don't read the old testament. It's comical to believe that the concept of Trinity began in the 1st century, when it goes all the way back to Genesis. 😂 😂 😂

[@eddieyoung2104]

Biblical Unitarians spend a lot of time reading the Old Testament. Quite often just as much time as reading the new. Perhaps you're thinking of Unitarian Universalists. The Trinity as a doctrine was later than the first century. More like the 4th, where we first begin to see it in the Nicene Creed. But, even in that it's not clearly defined. And the Holy Spirit is not even described as being God. The Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 is more clear on the Holy Spirit.

[@FromValkyrie]

@@eddieyoung2104 You have the same logic as a person who says that gravity only began to exist in the 17th century when the apple fell on Newton's head. 😂 😂 😂 Bruh. The Trinity is resplendent throughout old testament texts. It's a simple matter of browsing through with the search words "the word of the LORD", "the Spirit of the LORD", "Holy Spirit", etc. It's all there in the Hebrew Bible. The Trinity has been a recognized phenomenon throughout Hebrew history. The fact that the early church finally gave it a name doesn't mean that they invented it.

[@eddieyoung2104]

@@FromValkyrie 'The word of the LORD' is the speech/command of God, 'the Spirit of the LORD', and the 'Holy Spirit' is God's power. Nothing to suggest a God consisting of three persons. The Trinity, contrary to what many think, wasn't a recognised phenomenon throughout Hebrew history. Otherwise we would see some clear evidence of it in the Bible. But we don't see any clear description being made of it. God doesn't give one, the prophets don't, Jesus didn't, and neither the apostles. It was then, centuries later, that church leaders formulated the concept. The very fact that Trinity teaching bears little resemblance to Biblical descriptions of God and Jesus, is a sure sign to me of a later addition. Even the early church fathers didn't talk about God and Jesus in the same terms as what we see today.

[@FromValkyrie]

@@eddieyoung2104 Before I address the rest of that heretical lie you typed, tell me quickly. Are the attributes of God divine in nature or not? Is the word of God created or uncreated? Is the power of God created or uncreated?

[@eddieyoung2104]

@@FromValkyrie Just re-read my comment if you're unsure. It's pretty clear.

[@j2shoes288]

Well, Jesus was a unitarian and paul was a polytheist who believed in 2 gods

[@JLar-bb5hl]

Read the NT. 100 verses confirm the Father, Son, and Spirit.