This thing is actually nuts. The fact that it can be buffed with Bloodflame Blade and Flame Grant Me Strength to make the bleed aspect of the weapon even better is wild. Plus it has like an extra 10% native increased jump attack damage, so when paired with the claw talisman it goes crazy. For how early you can get it, and how strong it is, I’d say it’s a serious contender for best overall weapon in the game. That Ash of War does great damage and it can be used as a dodge, giving you great mobility and utility. Also it uses Somber Stones as its upgrade material, meaning that you can upgrade it a bit a quicker. You can run straight to Iji in Liurnia at the start of the game to get Somber Stones 1-4, and then go to the canyon by Aeonia swamp in Caelid for a Somber Stone 5 right at the very beginning of the game. The only combat you have to do is the Bloodhound Knight evergaol to get the Fang, but even then you can summon Blaidd to help you. This weapon can easily carry you through the entire game. I usually pair it with Morgott’s sword if I’m dual wielding until I can get another one in journey 2.
@buckyhurdle47764 ай бұрын
I love my uchigatana but I'm hard pressed to think of a weapon as user-friendly as the Fang.
@aka.robert4 ай бұрын
and golden order
@shidnfard953 ай бұрын
this thing carried me through my first playthrough with blood flame blade. it's so nasty it's still my go to if I get pissed off and need something dead
@chadi32952 ай бұрын
Used this as dual wield, carried me across the game plus currently got to last boss in the DLC
@Berkzian2 ай бұрын
if you got a free slot, Lord of Blood's Exultation is a Talisman that raises attack power by 20% for 20 seconds when blood loss occurs in the vicinity. ;)
@yewhobagstea93322 ай бұрын
Thanks for this build info, I was already using bloodhound fang on my first play through and needed help!
@kamtaij188416 күн бұрын
I bhvv
@kamtaij188416 күн бұрын
😊
@thisguy29735 ай бұрын
I think we’re all appreciative you didn’t kill Alexander on the recording.
@youngkickz19523 ай бұрын
is worth doing his quest for the tailsman?
@thisguy29733 ай бұрын
@@youngkickz1952 it’s better than the normal warrior jar shard, but the bullshit you have to go through in Farum Azula is too much IMO
@blackpeep9843 ай бұрын
@@thisguy2973 not really it's on your normal path you just need 2 stonesword keys and a little detour that won't take more than 3min
@thisguy29733 ай бұрын
@@blackpeep984 I agree with that part. Having the resources isn’t difficult. I just don’t like crumbling farum azula, aside from the other cool boss fights.
@piyush57642 ай бұрын
@@thisguy2973 Wait what ? He killed Alexander ? Actually i am really new at ER, and currently i have a blood hound fang of level 6 and some red blood on it. And now i saw this, and thought of making this build. But the very first question comes in my mind for Alexander thing what will be good for me , to fight with radhan and then do further things or simply kill Alexander. Please tell me what to do
@adambrown89232 ай бұрын
what is even crazier is if you get the mimic summon, you can basically just destroy the boss till they are dead because they also use your incantations so they can use bloodflame blade and any that increase damage along with the bloodhound blades skill
@lawlietriver88695 ай бұрын
This weapon is so sick. It was the weapon I chose to use during my first playthrough. I immediately thought it seemed OP. You get insane damage with relatively quick attacks, good poise break, good bleed build and a great unique Ash of War. I never tried to min-max before, so I am excited to see how this works out. I am prepping a save for the DLC :) Thanks for the intel! EDIT: I have heard rumors that if you are too high level it will scale back a bit when entering the DLC. I wonder if that will totally screw up the amount of pts one needs to make this build work. Since this is a 150 build.
@aceeditz780626 күн бұрын
this aged well💀
@OnlyMarcoS15 күн бұрын
@@aceeditz7806 why it aged well? it is the edit?
@aceeditz78065 күн бұрын
@@OnlyMarcoS1 the dlc edit
@Iby003 күн бұрын
how did it go?
@_Wellingtongg6 ай бұрын
I am using this weapon rn bc of you Bastos, freaking good! thanks
@Bruce_Black2 ай бұрын
Funny how i did this build blindly and it turns out to be soo good and the reason that i mained bloodhound fang cause it resembles my favorite weapon farron greatsword from DS3
@davidmoodie4 ай бұрын
Incredible build
@SeniorBandido7 күн бұрын
Love ya, you got a new sub.
@everythingmanawsome3 ай бұрын
Blood flame in ng+ makes the game so easy for a legit speed run you just wipe most bosses no problem especially early game ones
@fredtott46846 ай бұрын
Screw your phase 2 Godrick... LMAO
@jimkoz_w02396 ай бұрын
No health gained just a big arm ,pathetic phase 2...
@mostnormaluser6 ай бұрын
Godrick killed himself
@BazookaBeanIsEpic3 ай бұрын
It's easy if you go under his arm at the start of phase 2. That way they don't hit you
@johnpantag4722 ай бұрын
@@BazookaBeanIsEpicI just run from his reach
@Imamblind2 ай бұрын
Died from cringe
@destrobatman56404 ай бұрын
Damn, he chopped the galaxy clusters off the last boss🤣💪🏽👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@pawasushi88063 ай бұрын
What talismans did u have for Radagon ?
@SuperAp0calypse2 ай бұрын
You can put Golden Vow on a dagger, cast it and swap back to Bloodhounds Fang btw and keep the buff - no need for the spell as a result, though it is slightly weaker (11% compared to 15% damage increase).
@user-dm4tr4ql7e2 ай бұрын
Why use that if it makes the build weaker?
@NoobStudios4142 ай бұрын
@@user-dm4tr4ql7ereread what he said
@mrgangf81342 ай бұрын
@@user-dm4tr4ql7e If you have low fp
@ryachi93572 ай бұрын
Accessibility for those that havent got golden vow incant or 25 faith @user-dm4tr4ql7e
@xoDeaDZonEoxАй бұрын
@@user-dm4tr4ql7e 4% difference isnt much. I use the dagger method now that i dont have 25 faith for golden vow incantation and it hits just as hard. Only downside that i can say is the weight of the dagger, just put it on your lightest one. Dagger method is for those who dont already have the necessary stat requirements, or those who dont want to sacrifice a memory slot
@daner13962 ай бұрын
Hi I'm new to the game and have this question: How do you use the Golden Vow, Flame grant me strength, and bloodflame all at the same time? I thought you had to use them each on individual weapons.
@suliman10672 ай бұрын
These used in the video are incantations, ashes of war are the ones you use for each weapon
@vxaigoАй бұрын
What is the 4th incantation the yellow / gold sword?@@suliman1067
@angelmaldonado923327 күн бұрын
No brother it's not a ash of war so you'll be able to use them all before a fight
@mathiashls3 күн бұрын
Bro what is the armor set at 6:34? Looks so good I'm willing to give up my jump attack bonus on it
@ChristopherConveryActor2 ай бұрын
Hey man, I'm going into the DLC with this build after just beating the elden beast. it's working well but as the game continues what should I level up in my stats and is there better gear in the dlc etc to keep making this fire build better? Thanks man.
@DoableJay2 ай бұрын
Strength, dex, vigor and stamina will be the main stats to level up.
@ChristopherConveryActor2 ай бұрын
@@DoableJaystrength really? How high should I get that. I’m assuming it’s not as important as dex
@DoableJay2 ай бұрын
@@ChristopherConveryActor Bloodfang scales with strength and dex but prioritises dex so maybe every 5 Dex levels, level strength once. Also how is the build in the DLC? I’m currently level 144 and I’ve just made it to the Lord of Blood. Played half the game under leveled so doing a bit of rune farming now to catch up in prep for the DLC
@ChristopherConveryActor2 ай бұрын
@@DoableJayit’s Incredible actually. Of course the bosses are hard af. But the damage I deal is pretty nuts. Ima use this build for the entire dlc since I haven’t found a more fun/better weapon in the dlc. I’ve killed multiple main bosses so far. Def keep at it
@DoableJay2 ай бұрын
@@ChristopherConveryActor Dope man that’s so good to hear! Will keep you posted when I make my way into the DLC 😁
@Pilgaardfps2 ай бұрын
Im missing 2 parts of the build, the chest and the boots, you do more damage than me and in the last fight against radagon and elden beast you get stamina. why do you get stamina and how?
@Srami292 ай бұрын
No wonder I forgot something. I forgot to get those. Tailmans I do have everything set up, but I just got those talisman thanks 🙏
@OnlyMarcoS14 күн бұрын
I literally smashed Malenia with this build (except for dex, mine was lower), on her 2nd phase me and mimic started to hit her in a syncronized way, so she wasn't able to escape, literally killed her for the first time in my life in less than 5 tries, less than 30s on 2nd phase I believe, wish I was recording, very op! unfortunately I don't have the dlc, so here I come ng+
@user-su3df5vc5g5 ай бұрын
Loved ur video, is this on ur first game or on ng+?
@BastosFC25 ай бұрын
Thanks, this one is in first game
@AI.Overlord.X5 ай бұрын
Absolutely not lmaooo @@BastosFC2
@justyourtypicalguy6565Ай бұрын
How hard to beat are the bosses guarding the talismans? Whats the recommended level like for them?
@Melenia9Ай бұрын
Mid ,you can beat them bro
@hatzjhon3626 күн бұрын
I'm new to the game. Is +10 the max for this weapon or +25? Or only specific weapons can be upgraded to +25?
@PacsterWasTaken4 ай бұрын
Does the armor choice make a big difference in how much damage you do?
@BastosFC24 ай бұрын
Makes no difference, just for looks
@PacsterWasTaken4 ай бұрын
@@BastosFC2Ok good to know, does clawmark seal boost the damage?, I'm not able to do over 2 - 5k per attack, more like 1.5K And is how much damage you do affected by your dexterity?
@AI.Overlord.X4 ай бұрын
@@PacsterWasTakenthe weapon scales primarily from Dex. So Dex is very important for damage.
@4bod.z437Ай бұрын
how to go like this ? Do use something to do like this fast ? 0:05
@Eren_Yeager111Ай бұрын
L2 then R2
@zerotheg0d33026 күн бұрын
This sword has its own special attack (you cannot put any ash of war on it), on Xbox you hold left trigger, then after it's done, you can do a second attack with right trigger
@Xenor-id7hz22 күн бұрын
Special move then heavy
@juustthetipp6704 ай бұрын
Where is the lighting blade incantation? Just curious last piece needed for final boss. Cant seem to beat them.
@pawasushi88063 ай бұрын
It’s lighting grease
@LordKosmux3 ай бұрын
Guess you can add one incantation and one grease to boost it even more, that yellow thing is grease.
@ChillyKarma2 ай бұрын
I'm 99.9% sure it's electrify armament and you get it by killing a knight patrolling south of the artist shack grace site and giving the book to Brother Corhyn or Miriel.
@noeolvera216 ай бұрын
Didn't show us how to get lighting blade buff
@pawasushi88063 ай бұрын
Lighting grease
@ianwilliams26326 ай бұрын
You keep honing that Margit kill with each new video! 😂You'll get to one-shotting him 5 mins out of the starting gate soon, I know it!
@Dwal1n2 ай бұрын
Hey, I'm new in Elden Ring. Whats the best start? The BHF build or Reduvia? Nice video btw ^^
@JosephVargas-v6h2 ай бұрын
He has a video on this channel with a great start for beginners
@earthpart3Ай бұрын
bhf for sure.
@ArkiCaloyzki2 ай бұрын
NOW I'm REDOING my stats because of this! SALAMAT BASTOS!
@avgvstvs75 ай бұрын
Your stats are wrong, Bloodhound's Fang is a quality weapon not Dex. Instead of 29/80 try 55/55.
And where/how do you get the buffs? Weird, the shard of alexander guy is not there (I must have killed him at some point), and I don't have the talisman.
@SubaruWRC19965 ай бұрын
Danm. Looks like I'm swapping my Eleanor's poleblade for this. Wouldn't higher arcane improve damage or would faith be better?
@killval8495 ай бұрын
this weapon scales with Dex mostly, but strength a good bit as well.
@ErdemtugsC5 ай бұрын
@@killval849haha I got 99 dex and strength too op
@gregbrown30824 ай бұрын
No, arcane only increases bleed damage if your weapon has arcane scaling.
@leox7283 ай бұрын
@@killval849 can u ekplain why dex is better here?
@goofycat10393 ай бұрын
@@leox728because it scales on dex
@jafman069 күн бұрын
what are your stats? for attribute points
@user-os4yi9ne9h2 ай бұрын
did u use the weaker version of the alexander
@SharpGamingN3 ай бұрын
Question what were you doing to make the enemies in the sewer not notice you cause I was kinda lost at why they never noticed you even though u ran right past them
@BastosFC23 ай бұрын
I used a mod so I can show the location without rolling around everywhere. Just easier to follow
@nawafalharby5014Ай бұрын
When proceeding with this build what states should i be investing in ?
@domdom64653 ай бұрын
Amazing video, I'm shit at elden ring and am doing a rune farm to get even more overpowered/leveled, could you give me a recommendation for stat distribution for a level 250 character?
@oneandonlyxo92 ай бұрын
any tips to help me out lol
@lawlietdes62 ай бұрын
Which rune farm?
@user-dm4pl3kl2lАй бұрын
How do you stagger godfrey? doesnt work for me
@brysonjosi94903 ай бұрын
What do I do if the guy stuck in the ground isn’t there?
@tannercarothers30123 ай бұрын
Same bro
@surahmanhusein363214 күн бұрын
Whats better Nagakiba or bloodhouds fang ?
@LeonPluuuzАй бұрын
What armor should i use for this? theres nothing in the description about it so i went for the same one u showed in the video
@danebryner4826Ай бұрын
It doesn’t matter
@IsaacBassanello2 ай бұрын
This video is perfect, but at level 50 or more i can do something to improve my build?
@akashpaul11102 ай бұрын
what shoul i more prioritize Strength , Dex or Faith ? ( I'm new to this game my first soulslike)
@hulimherak2 ай бұрын
i started playing only a few days ago but as far as I understand strength does great damage, but your attacks and movement are overall slower. Dexterity gives lesser dmg than strenght but your attacks and moves are overall faster. And faith is for magic.
@xoDeaDZonEoxАй бұрын
Dex for Bloodhound Fang
@KingChapen2 ай бұрын
It’s a really good build armor doesn’t matter so much but if you have all talisman you should be good
@pan1ccc5 ай бұрын
nice vid thanks
@yahyaibnmonowar2212 ай бұрын
Did you use the blood boil aromatic here?
@chadharpicenjoyer8591Ай бұрын
Ahh my 1st game weapon Now im a strength giant crusher enjoyer
@juanbarrera13562 ай бұрын
Can I pick the items up if I'm barely starting the game? Probably not right
@elijahallen43632 ай бұрын
No most the items you have to progress far
@dorianszucs80Ай бұрын
For me, bloodhound fang doesnt show up when i'm at a grace trying to upgrade it.
@hazardous839Ай бұрын
Can't upgrade at grace, need to find an Anvil Or a Smithy, easy find is at the round table hold or just infront of The First Step at that church next to Merchant Kale
@artifex_3813 ай бұрын
do you need to have the exact same build as you including all armour aswell?
@BastosFC23 ай бұрын
No, the armor is optional
@artifex_3813 ай бұрын
Thanks so much bro ❤
@Pro100wOczy6 ай бұрын
when new start build? we waiting for this so hard
@daner1396Ай бұрын
what are the better talismans for radagon? the bleed talismans do nothing since he/elden beast have no bleed proc
@SuperAp0calypse2 ай бұрын
Whats the best Great Rune to use with this build?
@ripToShredzАй бұрын
Godrick's.
@k_neecoАй бұрын
What would be a good great rune for this build
@aminemjphotography60766 ай бұрын
Please can you tell me what are you wearing when u are searching for the ritual sword location It looks fire 🔥🔥
@BastosFC26 ай бұрын
Sanguine Noble Set
@aminemjphotography60766 ай бұрын
@@BastosFC2 thank u you are the best ❤
@stefangartner23752 ай бұрын
How is it possible to get these stats with level 150? 🤔 What about the difference to 229 attribute points?
@simonsenko6684 ай бұрын
Best armor to use ?
@thesamfamily79252 ай бұрын
Use Radahn’s armor
@SimplyDeion17 күн бұрын
I dont know why i dont have the dude to start the shard of alexander questine
@jadjamal84759 күн бұрын
Yea u maybe progressed more in the game go see a video guide and check the locations u will find him in some
@benjaminswanson15855 ай бұрын
Mother of god! You whoop on this game like this game whoops on me! Totally jelly right now.
@andrewberrocal2281Ай бұрын
The closest you’ll get to feeling like Melanie without mods
@aniellovitale18552 ай бұрын
Wow so good
@vxaigoАй бұрын
What are the last 2 incantations 1. Golden vow 2. Flame grant me strength 3. ... 4. ...
@ToofuegoooАй бұрын
Bloodflame blade and electrify armament
@vxaigoАй бұрын
@@Toofuegooo thank u bro
@azureomegaart1816Ай бұрын
ive been using bloodhound fang and bloodflame blade and even with it being +3 ive been DELETING health, its fuckin fantastic
@demeshxd1379Ай бұрын
the guy that gives shard of alexander isnt there for me
@K.L.-Ай бұрын
I made the mistake of playing coop with someone who’s using this build and now there’s no difficulty in anything 🥲 don’t let your friends find this if you like challenge in games 😂
@KEKWSadge2 ай бұрын
was BLOODHOUND'S FINESSE nerfed ? because when i do a strong attack to perform the Bloodhound's Step attack im not invincible during the dash where i can still get hit ?
@bachmaviet98772 ай бұрын
I have enough intelligence, but why I can't cast the blood spell to that fang?
@mattlaman2 ай бұрын
@@bachmaviet9877 if you haven't already, you need to buy the Finger Seal from the Twin Maiden Husks at the Round Table Hold (800 runes), apply it to the left hand, and you should be able to case blood spell with L1. Took me some time to figure this out
@ramihaj3500Ай бұрын
Thanks for the build i was getting my ass kicked throughout the throughout the game
@Rumdidillydum2 ай бұрын
Can you use the two finger seal instead of the clawmark seal
@KnyteMan2 ай бұрын
Can the items be acquired around early game? I already have the bloodflame incantation and the bloodfang weapon.
@AHMED0-cz3vhАй бұрын
The shard of alixander you could kill alixander, but you would get weaker version if you do the quest you have to kill fire giant
@Mr5642.3 ай бұрын
6:31 he wasn’t here for me.
@konde2193 ай бұрын
do the quest line watch a tutorial vid
@ZincAGM6 ай бұрын
Can I get the lord of Exultation even after I finished my run?
@BastosFC26 ай бұрын
Yeah i'm pretty sure you can still go there
@ZincAGM6 ай бұрын
@@BastosFC2Thank you!
@setsunaes6 ай бұрын
you can get it even with the tree burned and Leyndell becoming the capital of Ash.
@Art-nq3ni5 ай бұрын
Thanks
@SAKRAYx2 ай бұрын
Does it actually matter what kind of seal u use?
@AHMED0-cz3vhАй бұрын
Yes
@SantlikaАй бұрын
bro why is youre roundtable hold with different characters and its not burning?
@freedompretzelАй бұрын
I want to see this on DLC bosses
@Din-xm8hv2 ай бұрын
Hey what should the stats on this be ?
@BolognaBuck62 ай бұрын
5:25
@Din-xm8hv2 ай бұрын
@@BolognaBuck6 thanks
@ZioKis2 ай бұрын
How did the knight of darieill not speed behind you?
@danl68526 ай бұрын
How do you equip the bloodhound step when it won’t let you for the blade
@mikelindsey10926 ай бұрын
Did he answer you?
@zeffmalchazeen34296 ай бұрын
what do you mean Bloodhound step? It is just the combo of the Bloodhound's Finesse. L2 for the main skill that will vault back. R2 for the blink step forward
@andresgonzalez48946 ай бұрын
Bloodhounds step is a different skill entirely
@danl68526 ай бұрын
@@zeffmalchazeen3429gotcha, I thought by him going forward he was activating that skill. So you press L2 and then R2 immediately after right?
@BastosFC26 ай бұрын
@@danl6852 Hey, yes you need to press L2 then R2
@bullet300pal3 ай бұрын
Don't you need to beat Radhan to complete the Alexander quest? How would you have the shard for the fight with Radhan?
@-khoa-a3 ай бұрын
Kill alexander
@Fyre273 ай бұрын
ng+
@-khoa-a2 ай бұрын
Just kill him in limgrave
@-khoa-a2 ай бұрын
@@Fyre27 you can find him near the mad pumpkin head on the bridge in limgrave
@dekudasaiyan10373 ай бұрын
Thank you bro. Thank you
@ChristopherConveryActor2 ай бұрын
Into the DLC how should I continue upgrading the skill points(
@Eren_Yeager111Ай бұрын
Bro the girl at the end doesn’t want to give me the quest what do i do ?
@xavier_rag88883 ай бұрын
yo should I upgrade the Clawmark seal??
@yewhobagstea93322 ай бұрын
Curious bro how do you only run blue flasks do you just not get hit or? No health pots?
@yewhobagstea93322 ай бұрын
Also I upped my clawmark seal to 25 yours is base lvl, does it not benefit to go up?
@BastosFC22 ай бұрын
I remove the healing flasks for the videos because I go for no hits anyway. Seal level doesn't matter for buffs
@yewhobagstea93322 ай бұрын
@@BastosFC2 thanks bro!
@ripToShredzАй бұрын
Why does he not have the claw mark seal leveled up? Does upgrading that not do anything?
@BastosFC2Ай бұрын
I only use it for buffs and they don't improve with seal level
@MCDEthan3 ай бұрын
Did this get nerfed why doesn’t mine hit that hard?
@lilnikki34013 ай бұрын
What level is yours? Do you have all the things equipped from the video? Because that is very important for it to be as powerful as what is shown in the video.
@amonx35796 ай бұрын
you are the best
@sxvnn6 ай бұрын
what’s a good blasphemous blade build? or sacred relic sword
@hollowollowyeet8866 ай бұрын
They both work, sacred relic sword ash of war scales only off of faith, same with the ash of war for blasphemous I’d go strength faith with them and use sacred relic sword for farming/ crowd control, and blasphemous for healing/ boss fights
@thelionman09Ай бұрын
I have this at Level 200, just crazy
@amonx35796 ай бұрын
your buffing order please?
@BastosFC26 ай бұрын
Golden vow > Flame grant me strength > bloodflame blade > blue flask > Wonderous physic
@cleartoner6 ай бұрын
What’s your attributes priority on first play-through for this build?
@davidskropeta6125 ай бұрын
@@BastosFC2what is blue flask? FP? How many hp / fp charges in this build?
@MeinAhmadHunАй бұрын
I know alexander isn't real but I refuse to kill him, he has been nothing but friend to me, I will do his questline no matter how much time it takes
@m0azc22 ай бұрын
What are the other 3 things in the memory slots?
@TheScorpionOnlyАй бұрын
Trying to find that out too, i’ll reply when i found it
@AHMED0-cz3vhАй бұрын
Blood flame flame grant me strangth and golden vow
@E-A-Z-Y4 ай бұрын
Mine doesn’t do damage numbers like that? It’s this NG+?
@stephanecharette15734 ай бұрын
I don't think so. He's hitting 1000 damage and the bar drops 25-30%, must be a first run trough. in NG+ 1000 HP is the equivalent to 10% of an enemies health or less.
@zangyang45334 ай бұрын
Did you upgrade your weapon
@OfficialPVNI2 ай бұрын
@@zangyang4533mine is +25 and doesn’t even do this much damage lol
@insert70582 ай бұрын
@@OfficialPVNI How? It’s a somber stone weapon
@OfficialPVNI2 ай бұрын
@@insert7058 yeah mb was watching a different video and somehow commented on here😂
@GreysonBearАй бұрын
tutorial???
@ochos242 ай бұрын
yo can someone help me i went to the Alexander but hes not there there is just a big hole in the ground
@jannovak18032 ай бұрын
talk to him before Radahn fight :)
@nerdylilnurse79742 ай бұрын
if you didnt talk to him before redahn, then he is in the arena after the fight gathering corpses. you can kill him there
@jannovak18032 ай бұрын
@@nerdylilnurse7974 why would you kill him? You can get one of the best talismans in the game if you finish his questline. If you kill him you get only weaker version of the talisman.
@nerdylilnurse79742 ай бұрын
@@jannovak1803 your right my bad
@carlesillas98833 ай бұрын
What stats i must upgrade?
@shadowkraft4685Ай бұрын
is the clawmark seal necessary because i sold mine early game for extra runes..
@SantlikaАй бұрын
any seal would be good
@attila50784 ай бұрын
Do you have full equipment guide like memorize spells,armors,charms and why u are using bad armor negatitons very bad i think
@robadams16453 ай бұрын
He doesn't need to care about armour since he never gets hit.