The Question that Stops Christians in Their Tracks

[@STRvideos]

Here are some common questions and helpful resources on Hell - If sin is finite, why is Hell eternal? rsn.pub/3tSTiUv Why did God create people if he knew so many would go to Hell? rsn.pub/3O1RGyK How can we square God's desire for all to be saved with the existence of Hell? rsn.pub/3SeQPND What’s the difference between Hell, Hades, Sheol, and Gehenna? rsn.pub/3SfxUCb Did Jesus descend into Hell? rsn.pub/3HeKyuT Be sure to check out Tim Barnett's three-part series on why STR believes Hell is biblical: Part 1 - rsn.pub/48KtIzM Part 2 - rsn.pub/498wpvt Part 3 - rsn.pub/3tYVgCJ Here are two problems that Hell solves: rsn.pub/47C9qrg

[@markbrown6978]

@@nickjones6651 eh...open your eyes, look in a mirror, think about what your asking, think about thinking? Wonder why your in such a minority history wide?

[@philkershner5313]

@@markbrown6978 "a minority"? Most people have not believed in the Christian God. Those who do are in the minority.

[@bilgitz1900]

@@nickjones6651 maybe the fact Yeshua (Jesus) is mentioned in not only the Christian Bible but the Muslim bible as well? That says something. If that’s not enough, there are LITERAL ARCHAEOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES mentioned in the Bible. If that’s true, why would Jesus not be? Also, Read about the second law of Thermodynamics if you believe in science instead of God.

[@nonfecittaliter4361]

@@nickjones6651 Do you think a fine tuned super complex universe and every single particle and system of it isn't enough for you?

[@nonfecittaliter4361]

@@tommytomtom5531 Stupid reasoning!

[@ChrisC30]

If you care about winning more than about being truthful, you've already lost the battle.

[@kittenlang333]

🙏❤️🌞

[@UNFORGIVABLExGAMING]

Well when Christians "win" - they historically get away with genocide and child "abuse". So yeah, your "truth" always seems to leave out those ACTUAL truths.

[@johnhough4445]

In my case, the truths I use prevent me losing the battle.

[@UNFORGIVABLExGAMING]

@@johnhough4445 Because your truths aren't truths and you call them truths because they are derived from an ancient book who's proof always relies on itself for verification.

[@johnhough4445]

@@UNFORGIVABLExGAMING My truths are derived from my own mind and a long lifetime garnering various experiences (and dare I say it? Wisdoms...) Now, please read your comment above-don't they apply more to you than to me?

[@R14-m4z]

Winning a debate and holding the correct ideas are two different things.

[@R14-m4z]

​@@jeffforsythe9514 Very true, very wise words.

[@donhue4546]

@@jeffforsythe9514 your wrong,there should be no rules only guidance,if you like rules change your belief,we shall be judged by what ever god you believe in,you maybe 73 and think you understand wisdom,a wise person is always learning

[@scottg6754]

@@jeffforsythe9514 Drowning humans because God screwed up by making faulty humans is pretty messed up. Why would I want to worship a flawed god.

[@R14-m4z]

@@scottg6754 That's not what happened though. Additionally, why would you assume that Yawhey is a just god? It says in Exodus that he's a man of war and in Genesis Yawhey preferred blood sacrifices of Abel over the sacrifice of bountiful produce. In fact, according to the book called the Ascension of Isaiah, the entire purpose of Jesus is that he's a kind of multiverse traveler who has to trick the powers of our mortal realm into killing him in order for him to pass through the multiverse from realm to realm. In doing so, Jesus was able to triumph over Yawhey who is a kind of false god and ascend to unite our mortal world with the true God's supreme grace.

[@Brian.001]

@@donhue4546 It's you're. Not very difficult.

[@Mark4Jesus]

Asking questions is actually the best way to teach because it's the best way to get people to actually listen because you have first listened to them.

[@mamaluvsherbabes]

Plus, asking questions requires that the person we are trying to reach THINKS about what both they and we are saying. Their having to answer a question directly involves them in the thought/analyzation process. Depending on the path the questioning takes, they can actually end up answering their own unbelief with statements that prove a reason to believe.

[@Sara-gl8ue]

Sounds like a manipulation tactic to me. Kind of like what a salesman does.

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

@@Sara-gl8ue Well it doesn't help that even "intelligent" people can be easily tricked by basically telling them the truth.

[@hunterhall1575]

Its also a great way to avoid answering questions honestly when you know your answer makes you look bad

[@billweir8824]

True!!! Jesus gave 3 answers but asked 300 questions ⁉️ please see 'Christadelphian videos and Christadelphian bible talks'for the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ speakers worldwide from Australia NewZealand England South Africa and North America United States and Canada wonderful subjects to understand the truth of God

[@endofscene]

"If I just answered the question honestly then I would have looked really bad."

[@MoonLightCatz]

Nope, People don't like to be called Sinners no one does even us Christian but we admit we are that doesn't mean we like being called a sinner so calling a athiest a sinner and screaming in there face they will also get agrrasive, so why not do it in a way more respectful so that they themselves see what they are or not. Example : I scream at an athiest he is a sinner, they get mad and scream at me back= fight or I guide the Athiest and try to convince them and they decide for themselves if its true= No fight and win-win I got to speak calmly to an athiest and the athiest learned possibly new things that may interest them in Christianity and if they don't they can use the knowleadge alswere and we both leave Happy :)

[@mwgfnn]

Thats literally the opposite of what he said. He said that saying just a blatant “yes” would’ve been correct, but would’ve given the wrong impression and pushed people away because being so blatant like that doesn’t usually come from a place of love. Explaining why “yes” is the answer and giving an option and hope to someone would be coming from a place of love.

[@mwgfnn]

@@MoonLightCatz exactly

[@sean_miller]

Exactly. He didn't answer the question AT ALL. He just sneakily swapped it for "why does the world need Jesus" and then answered that. The dishonesty is so much worse than just facing the difficulty of the question. The dude is a blatant scam artist. It makes me so mad, and I'm a Christian.

[@irorooladapo5149]

Your intentions are good but you're still off track Sir! I humbly recommend The Urantia Book and The Cosmic Family volumes for expansion in knowledge. Thank you Sir 😊🙏

[@devinbryne9208]

The Truth is the Truth no matter how hard it may be to swallow. I'd rather be divided by truth than united in error.

[@jonathan4189]

In the hypothetical that God is real, people are not denying the truth of the proposition, they are pointing out that the truth (and the one who makes it true) is inconceivably evil. It’s a criticism of God’s immortality, not a rejection of his dominion.

[@Phylaetra]

@@jonathan4189 I think you meant 'immorality' not 'immortality' there - stupid autocorrect!

[@josephdiaz2182]

@@Phylaetra either way, what a foolish thing to think. Just believe what ever you want. No matter what, if it isn't in your heart to repent of your sins, and humble yourself and believe in Jesus, that He died for you, then just keep searing your conscience. It's your life, He gave us Freewill, either be a slave to sin, or be a Slave to God. Choose or don't no matter what, if you are neither hot or cold, but luke warm? He will spit you OUT! Stop sitting on the fence.

[@Phylaetra]

@@josephdiaz2182 so in your religion, we were created only to be slaves? What kind of immoral monster do you believe in?! Why would a just and loving God give beings free will and then punish them for using it? If God doesn't want us to behave in certain ways, he could have created us so that we literally could not. Why didn't he?

[@singNsong-gc9kt]

​@@PhylaetraYour born in sin no matter what you are born from the flesh and those who don't follow Jesus are a slave to sin. It's the truth he gives a choice because he wants true love and not forced love. People ask why did God put the tree in the garden it's because he wanted to give a choice. If you stare into the abyss it stares back right? If you follow sin then eventually you can't go back and you become it's slave

[@incog858gfg]

It's not about winning a debate , it's about speaking the truth. Like it or not, the truth doesn't always sit well with those who don't like the truth

[@lmcb2x]

I always have to defend myself to Christians… livin in the Bible Belt- n’all.

[@jonathan4189]

Are you okay with telling people what you believe and them looking at you like your some kind of sadistic monster worshiping the most evil deity conceivable? Lots of people feel icky when perceived as a henchman of a cosmic villain so they try to couch their beliefs or try to explain away why it only _appears_ to be a morally heinous religion.

[@harzroller9862]

@@jonathan4189 what do you suppose leads to them believes? (I am, ironically, an atheist)

[@jonathan4189]

@@harzroller9862 fellowship, belonging, normalizing the bizarre, reassurance about primary fears, ego stroking, reassurance about primary angers. That and when everyone you love and trust says the same thing, which includes that you are among the chosen people and can be besties with the creator if the universe who loves you, you just don’t question it.

[@harzroller9862]

@@jonathan4189 so in a sense a hatred of life as we live it and a contentment with others of your clade

[@jackstand3852]

I thought the question was gonna be "If God is omniscient, why would he create a mankind of which most are destined for hell?"

[@faithplusnothing]

@Phil Silverman God did send His Son to intervene.

[@faithplusnothing]

Everyone born has the opportunity to be saved.

[@alfredbenedek3398]

Hmm, Maybe, just maybe, be - cause some Morons go agains the truth, facts & all good things! Including, Orders, the basic laws, oh, and they deni them! Now, that answers that! The stinking gate is open, go to hell !!

[@druid54us]

@@faithplusnothing yeah god sent jesus to stop Hitler 2,000 years ago… results to be heavily debated

[@faithplusnothing]

@@druid54us Jews thought the Messiah was going to be a mighty warrior that would protect them, when Jesus came to town on a donkey they missed who He was. Jesus paid the penalty of Sin on the cross, even today, few except it and believe.

[@KobusBotha-wl7in]

Bitter truth is better than a sweet lie.

[@craigsmith1443]

Not that people will accept that. We're reluctant to do so ourselves.

[@danieltenebrion9413]

The ones lying are always those that say they know the truth yet never question what is real.

[@micklumsden3956]

An easy soundbite. But I thought the pool said in one Corinthians chapter 13 that unless I have love, I am nothing. Therefore it’s better to be kind than to be right

[@craigsmith1443]

@@micklumsden3956 _I thought the pool said in one Corinthians chapter 13 that unless I have love, I am nothing. Therefore it’s better to be kind than to be right_ 1. 'The pool'? 2. You're half right. Paul never said, 'it's better to be kind than to be right.' Paul did say, 'Speak the truth in love,' so we must be both kind and right, but if one had to choose between the truth and a lie, Paul, who always advocated for the truth would advocate for the truth here, too, however we felt about it.

[@randybackgammon890]

Where ignorance is bliss it folly to be wise

[@DLFfitness1]

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” ― Carl Sagan

[@logicalmuslim1590]

Atheism as conspiracy theory.

[@apubakeralpuffdaddy392]

Excellent explanation of why voters keeping voting for the corrupt, incompetent, & criminal Democrat party.

[@DejiAdegbite]

@@logicalmuslim1590 How so?

[@logicalmuslim1590]

@@DejiAdegbite whether your preferred conspiracy is illuminati or chemtrails or flat earth or fake moon landing or that all religions are concocted by a cabal to control the public they have the following in common. 1) belief that a secret cabal has lied to the public 2) massive ego rush from discovering that you see the lie that others don't. 3) belief that anyone who doesn't believe in the conspiracy theory is either a part of the conspiracy or a dupe of the conspiracy too stupid to see the lie. 4) a feeling of entitlement to condescend to anyone who doesn't believe in the conspiracy.

[@DejiAdegbite]

@@logicalmuslim1590 Ok, so how is atheism a conspiracy theory?

[@royalreigns3373]

This is exactly what drove me from religion. I ask questions about religion because I want the answer.

[@delishme2]

Bishop Barron if you are an intellectual.

[@falconmyst]

The assumption from the beginning is that - Jesus is the Judge who takes his robe off; that is the crux; not that of the moral question of being a sinner. So the 'answer' of the guilt problem is that the assumption must be correct. MY question is: IF GOD can not lie; "IF" he did would it be a lie or a paradox? If Jesus is lord, does that mean he is LORD? [Gensis 15:7; cf Exodus 6:3]. Back to the assumption.

[@canadiankewldude]

I pray you research these videos here, then continue research beyond this site. Christianity has finally set my faith in stone. Sadly, far to many Christians and pastors, do not know the answers. They should study more, to be able to answer general inquires.

[@canadiankewldude]

@monty_hall A PhD in evolutionary biology has no rational explanation for the origin of life. Louis Pasteur disproved the Abiogenesis Theory experimentally.

[@marilynbrown5274]

Ask JESUS CHRIST. Respectfully, that is. "Ask and you shall receive..Seek and you shall find...Knock and it shall be opened unto you."

[@bobwoods5017]

A priest and a rabbi were having lunch when the rabbi asked if the priest had ever broken his vows? The priest thought a bit and replied he had. He said a woman had come to him who was so lovely both in spirit and in physical beauty and a relationship developed. He gave into temptation and slept with hef. The rabbi said to priest really? That is better than my ham sandwich!

[@christophermonteith2774]

nice

[@mikaelium192]

i dont get it

[@christophermonteith2774]

@@mikaelium192 both breaking their religious vows

[@bobg.3206]

That is perfect. Best one I've heard in a while.

[@SealedByTruth]

One night an atheist came outside on his balcony an stared up at the stars. He smiled as looked at them and thought to himself, "I see 👀 the (same) stars every night and they are so beautiful, they are always there and they don't change." Then he went back inside to finish the book he was reading about "The Journey of earth catapulting through space"... When he got to chapter about earths travels he read that the earth is traveling at 30 kilometers per second through space. He was puzzled and took out some paper and a pencil and started to calculate this theory. He quickly realized that the book was wrong because if the earth was traveling at 30 kilometers per second it was mathematically impossible for him to see the same stars at night, not only him but all of the countless generations that came before him who also saw the same stars. He thought to himself if that theory were actually accurate then every 500 years we would see different stars and star systems and that astronomy would be changing rapidly, but it doesn't.

[@Gods2ndFavoriteBassPlyr]

This was outstanding. "If you've never done anything wrong.. then you don't understand the need for a pardon". (And that is why, whenever I am asked that question ...and it does come up on occasion... I always respond by saying that I will not answer, unless I am able to offer the reason for my answer as well.)

[@BiologicalComputer]

“If I say what I really think people will think I’m a monster” sounds good homie

[@paradoxofepicurus]

Yep and biggots like him don't like to be called monsters.

[@86Corvus]

you are, and so is your god.

[@BiologicalComputer]

@@86Corvus sir, I’m an atheist.

[@dorkthrone]

It was an uncharacteristically candid admission, huh? Avoiding questions, sidestepping, and generally being dishonest with the audience so that Jesus looks better. Neato!

[@asadunbar3324]

you said it!

[@walterbrown8694]

A very clear answer to such a question as you pose can be found in Scripture. God's Word is the Christians reference, and I have found no reason to not direct such questions to it. It's not what I believe, but what God says that matters. Reason tells me that if I wish to know God's position on a matter, His Word would be the place to start in a search for answers.

[@Thruevangelisteyes]

You hit it Walter !🎯 Now let’s go tell someone else about Jesus. 🙏🏼🎶 Are you in ?

[@skyeangelofdeath7363]

It's amazing that Christians always fail to realize why this question makes them uncomfortable.

[@skylarborsman5690]

Continue...

[@skyeangelofdeath7363]

@@skylarborsman5690 They know on some level that this tenet of their beliefs is not justice.

[@SpotterVideo]

New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) Watch the KZbin videos “The New Covenant” by Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

[@skyeangelofdeath7363]

@@SpotterVideo You have serious psychological issues.

[@thedarknessherself3454]

Because we feel sympathy for the people going to hell because I know I deserve the same punishment. It’s quite obvious

[@MichaelDrew-n5b]

“The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.” Ecclesiastes 9:5

[@josephdiaz2182]

a text taken out of its context, in isolation of the CO-text, is a pre-text. Very lazy, some thinker you are.

[@Nonexistent10]

@@josephdiaz2182 not at all, the dead don't know anything because they are asleep in the grave waiting for the Day of Resurrection. No one will ever go the Heaven.

[@josephdiaz2182]

@@Nonexistent10 can you please tell me where you found this?

[@doug753]

If you have been made alive by Christ, then you are not dead even tho you are in the grave. Lazurus and the rich man shows much activity in the grave. And to claim no one will ever go to heaven, what do you base that claim on?, It is written that their is a ressurection of the just(justified) and the unjust(not justified). So apparrently all that is in the grave is delivered up to Judgement one way or the other based upon the book of life and the lamb's book of life. This happens at the Throne of God so once again apparrently everyone goes to heaven at least once. @@Nonexistent10

[@dreyri2736]

This reminds me of a pretty cool poem for my country called "Paul's third letter to the Corinthians" I, who am about to die Dwell with thee, whom the Lord hath giveth Eternal life. And the Lord giveth all Eternal life But, Eternal life does not exist Sadly.

[@JohnHake]

Well done. I would answer that question with a story. Remember the two thieves on their crosses to the left and right of Jesus? These two men, in their own way, encapsulate all of humanity and our responses to Christ. On the one hand is a thief who questions why an all powerful being doesn’t save himself (and us!) the trouble of punishment. The existence of punishment is an offense to that theif. On the other hand is a thief who recognizes that he deserves what’s he's getting, and that Jesus doesn’t, so he asks to be remembered by the eternal being at his side. It’s quite a statement of faith, given that all of the disciples had scattered, and Jesus was seemingly defeated at that point. Logically, the whole idea would’ve been preposterous to the other thief who was singularly focused on escaping justice. The cross has always been an offense to those who are perishing. He was scolded by the other thief, “Don’t you fear God? We are getting what we deserve, but this man has done nothing wrong. Jesus, remember me when you enter into your kingdom.” The simple prayer of “remember me” harkens back a number of prayers for salvation and forgiveness among multiple Old Testament figures. We are all thieves awaiting punishment, to one degree or another. Justice must be served. How we respond to the offensive cross will determine whether we escape it.

[@STRvideos]

That's a fantastic illustration, John. Thanks for sharing!

[@bunsenn5064]

Couldn’t one simply deny the idea, and it wouldn’t be so? After all, reality is simply the projection of how the mind perceives the universe, rather than the universe itself. So in that sense, an insane man could not be punished, since he wouldn’t be able to comprehend that he is being punished. Nor could a man who is cognitively impaired, or a man who is brain-dead. To them, there is no reality but their own.

[@billweir8824]

Baptism into Christ is our crucifixion and so the thief really was taking baptism seriously and like many today ignore this command to be baptized by God

[@billweir8824]

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[@doug753]

Well said

[@jeff5279]

I was raised a Baptist. Into my 20s I was a believer. In my early 20s I made the mistake of following along with my Pastor as he gave his sermon. In my teens I had heard more than once "do not take the scripture out of context because doing so may alter it's meaning in an inaccurate way". So, as I followed along with my Pastor, week after week, I realized that he was taking the scripture out of context to bolster some view that he, or the alliance to which our congregation belonged, was espousing. After this realization, I read The Bible cover to cover, twice. I found passages in The Bible that contradicted other passages. I found instances where absolutes that I had been given were not absolutes at all, and sometimes were lies. I began to question many of the things I had been told and sought to find the answers to those questions. I was left to finally conclude the there is no God, that there may not even have been a Jesus Christ, and that religion was just another hoax to help some people accrue power and wealth. Having been raised a Baptist, by parents that were Sunday School teachers, I am conditioned to believe. So, to all of you believers, prove to me that there is a God. Don't waste my time with your claims of faith, or your assertions of intelligent design. Don't wave your Bible in my face. All of that will just reinforce my opinion. What you have to do is to pull out your cellphone, give God a call, and schedule an appointment between the three of us. I have a lot of questions, the first will be "why did He or She choose to be a deadbeat parent and abandon His or Her children?". Get back to me when you have scheduled this appointment. If you can't do so then keep your worship of an imaginary super-friend to yourself.

[@faithplusnothing]

Jeff, your confusion of the Bible or the so called contradictions can be solved when you rightly divide the scriptures, the whole Bible is truth, but you have to separate Israel and the Body of Christ truths. Unless you're willing to learn, I won't waste your time, because this knowledge doesn't come overnight.

[@samanthaq3422]

@@faithplusnothing can you explain to me too....

[@natebumppo4929]

@@faithplusnothing sorry but no they can't. There are multiple real contradictions that only can be resolved by realizing they are contradictions and the bible is not now and never has been, perfect.

[@faithplusnothing]

@@samanthaq3422 Hi Samantha, I will expound more, but a quick summary is.. God has two separate programs, one envolves Israel which are God's earthly people and the other is the Gentile Body of Christ which are God's heavenly people. There is alot to learn, and I'm not sure I can explain it all on this forum, but I would love to share more if you're interested.

[@natebumppo4929]

Don't confuse realizing the bible is a whole mess of contradictions with denying the intelligence that is behind the creation of the universe. One can, and should, reject ALL of the so-called "revealed" religions without rejecting God--in whatever form fits with the reality of the universe as it is.

[@g6meboi725]

Guilt is a really dishonest motivator for spiritual living. It implies your reason for growing in spirituality is because you’re afraid harm will come to you if you don’t. At that point you’re just a bad person that’s been threatened into compliance.

[@luzortiz5225]

This rigth here! I couldn't say it better myseld.❤

[@aisforapple2494]

Amen. (pun intended)

[@kpaxian6044]

Agreed.

[@jondavidspoolman6333]

Jesus: Knock knock knock. Me: "Who is it?" Jesus: "It's me Jesus, let me in" Me: Why would I want to let you in?" Jesus: " "Because of what I'll do to you if you don't let me in!" Me: No thanks. I cannot be coerced or threatened into loving you, I'm done with abusive relationships. As a Son of God and a disciple of Jesus I must say , your Christian version of Jesus is a freaking jerk.

[@paulaustin556]

If a blind man is determined to stick his body into a place where though he cannot comprehend it but it will definitely cause him to suffer tremendously forever is it wrong that out of love another person might try to explain the facts out of love?

[@williamburts5495]

Dude, it's not about argument, it's about realization. Truth is that which is realized to be true not argued to be true.

[@christophermonteith2774]

kind of, its more truth is proven to be true, which can come from either evidence or in some cases experience. likelihood can be argued, not truth itself. sorry if I'm being rude or nit-picky

[@danieltenebrion9413]

Yeah, like how we understand findings in science and psychology as our best guess of what is real truth instead of bible scriptures that are only relative to individual interpretation of them.

[@GracieDontPlayDat]

@@danieltenebrion9413. Christians don’t believe that, though. We believe that even the mechanism of how corrupted flesh can be resurrected like Jesus into incorruptible bodies is that we are one Spirit with Christ, He is one spirit with God, and we are only waiting for the current corrupted flesh component to cease to exist so we can share in the Spirit completely. When all people are resurrected at End Times, those without Christ’s Spirit will have to accept it to continue on because it is the only Spirit that can replace the corrupted spirit Adam and Eve subjected themselves to. So, that One Spirit leads all believers in the same direction who are listening. The other differences are corrupted men’s thoughts, which God forgives us for since opinions are a consequence of freewill.

[@danieltenebrion9413]

@@GracieDontPlayDat Don't lie to me. That is your own individual interpretation of it and not every denomination or interpretation of the bible believes that. How many denominations were there again? 45,000? And which denomination was the correct interpretation? I bet it's yours isn't it. Yeah, right.

[@cyndidaugherty4907]

Yesss!!

[@petes.7967]

Not only did this not provide a rational answer to the question, it comes across as manipulative with these used car salesman tactics. That being said, they could work on people who are vulnerable and searching for answers. And in this case, they would likely take any answer. But as far as convincing someone not of the same faith, it falls flat. You’d have a better chance at appearing credible with your initial honest answer of “yes, if you’d don’t believe the way I do, you’re doing to hell”.

[@ceoelektronika8604]

I prefer my approach: "I don't CARE what you believe. Jesus is Lord. Hell is real, as is heaven, and you can go to either all you want." Dismissed.

[@petes.7967]

@@ceoelektronika8604 prove it. Oh, that's right, you can't. Thus endeth the lesson

[@The4Tifier]

" Not only did this not provide a rational answer to the question, it comes across as manipulative with these used car salesman tactics." Can you actually explain why this is your reaction?

[@mmoore9957]

This guy is a pathetic creep, he wasted my time.

[@sean_miller]

@@The4Tifier I'll explain it. If you're paying attention, he didn't answer the original question. He presented a different question altogether. If extrapolate his answer to his own question and apply it to the original question, he essentially said this: If you happen to genuinely and in good faith select the wrong truth claim, it's still okay for God to torture you for all eternity since you were just trash to begin with.

[@obrodave5038]

Truth is TRUTH. You don’t need to play any tactics.

[@burningsnow9870]

Aye but what is truth definitively? Is it what you believe? What you can prove? Or is it what you're presented?

[@danielsanford4109]

@@burningsnow9870 The Hebrew term ʼemethʹ, often rendered “truth,” may designate that which is firm, trustworthy, stable, faithful, true, or established as fact. (Ex 18:21; 34:6; De 13:14; 17:4; 22:20; Jos 2:12; 2Ch 18:15; 31:20; Ne 7:2; 9:33; Es 9:30; Ps 15:2; Ec 12:10; Jer 9:5) The Greek word a·leʹthei·a stands in contrast with falsehood or unrighteousness and denotes that which conforms to fact or to what is right and proper. (Mr 5:33; 12:32; Lu 4:25; Joh 3:21; Ro 2:8; 1Co 13:6; Php 1:18; 2Th 2:10, 12; 1Jo 1:6, 8; 2:4, 21) A number of other original-language expressions can, depending upon the context, also be translated “truth.”

[@burningsnow9870]

@@danielsanford4109 I'm referring to what it is in practice. I'm well aware of the definitions

[@KendraAndTheLaw]

The Torah is not history

[@gringoofcandamo]

@@burningsnow9870 I suppose you think you;re smart by quoting Pontius Pilate. The truth is that elusive thing beyond your intellectual opinion, and beyond those of others. It exists, but you cant find it because you're so busy (ironically) trying to discover it, or deny it from others.

[@sganzlans]

I’ve been a Christian for my whole life, and after years of struggling my faith has come the closest it ever has to totally vanquishing in the last week. I think things like this really helped get me here.

[@diannedundas7338]

What’s making you lose your faith?

[@Snide01]

@@diannedundas7338 logic hopefully

[@aoiichika928]

“Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person.” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭4‬:‭6‬ ‭(NASB1995‬‬)

[@craigbassett7146]

It's good for us to remember that everyone isn't taught by the same techniques. Not all teachers teach use the same methods. This is why we had some teachers that we loved and others not so much. To ram the notion of sin down someone's throat doesn't always work. To make them see their sin can work much better. This is what I think he was doing here. I train/teach a lot of people about commercial insurance (yeah, I know) and I use the method of asking questions all the time. It works great to lead people to an answer they might not otherwise see. Remember, some plant seeds, some water those seeds and some harvest those seeds. No matter what part you play, you do it as unto the Lord and He gets the glory. Your reward is in Heaven. His "sidestepping" the question wasn't to deflect from it, it was to frame the answer in such a way that the one asking could see it without feeling accused. Jesus did this all the time with parables. When asked who my neighbor is, Jesus presented the answer in such a way as to force the one asking to consider his own condition, not ram some rule down his throat which he already knew the answer to.

[@janetch7384]

just wish the radio preachers would do this, instead of yelling and condemning everyone

[@craigsmith1443]

_To ram the notion of sin down someone's throat doesn't always work_ False Dilemma Fallacy because you do not explain it. To talk about sin is not to 'ram it down someone's throat.' To not talk about sin is to ignore or reject the most obvious character of human life. So where does that leave us?

[@craigbassett7146]

@@craigsmith1443 False Dilemma Fallacy? Did you not read the rest of my comment? The very next sentence suggested leading someone to recognize their sin and not being the one to condemn them in it by jamming it down their throat. The entire purpose of repenting is recognizing your sin and turning toward God. You cannot talk about salvation without discussing sin and repentance. I think we're on the same page, but it appeared that you missed the bases of my initial comment. I hope this clarifies it

[@craigsmith1443]

@@craigbassett7146 Apparently not, for it does not appear on my screen for some reason. _it appeared that you missed the bases of my initial comment. I hope this clarifies it_ It does indeed appear so, and yes, it does. Thank you.

[@littlefluffybushbaby7256]

The question asked was "So you're saying anyone who doesn't believe just like you is going to hell". What I heard was "I'm not going to answer the question you asked but I'm going to answer questions that I ask", the go-to tactic of politicians and sales people, "and I'm going to re-phrase things using terminology I'm happy with" (so doing something wrong is now a sin), the second most used technique of politicians and sales people. The question could have been answered with a straight yes or no. But an honest answer to that question would be unpalatable so instead it is re-phrased. As the video description mentioned. It's dodged and dressed up as an answer and received as words of wisdom by people who are already convinced. A fundamental element of most world religions is that they are the truth and therefore everyone else is wrong. Why don't you just be honest and say that? This video is really about marketing rather than truth or reason.

[@dannykirby7425]

He probably should have just spoken the truth, the true answer is , no, you don’t have to believe like me , but believe what God says in His written word.

[@DillyThePickley]

1:00 Literally a minute in and you've basically confirmed that the answer is yes, but you're worried that it makes you look bad. If it's your belief, I think you should own it.

[@billbrock8547]

"A Christian apologist debates a new age guru . . ." Is this the opening line of a joke?

[@bennylane9701]

Only if they walk into a bar.

[@johnhough7738]

Could certainly be ... so let's cut to the punchline~!

[@tomtoss2463]

LOL

[@elijahgreen2479]

“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! Matthew 18: 6_7

[@elijahgreen2479]

“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! __ Matthew 18: 6_7

[@Lucas-Darkin]

If someone asks you a simple question, you should dodge te answer and give a monologue. Thats what that video teaches

[@sweetweebygoodness8693]

the video uses the same approach dipak used with him. it's all about phrasing or how you present your case. Just like how Dipak Chopra was able to present his question in a belligerent sort of way to lead you to the answer he wants you to arrive at, Mr. Kouki simply used that same method in explaining the gospel to someone else although less belligerently. It's like asking someone if they would get the death penalty simply for not thinking the same way. there's a lot being left out of the question.

[@-WhyteOwl]

@@sweetweebygoodness8693 This is my problem with most religious people. They defame and slander people to support their agenda. The question Deepak Chopra asked was not belligerent in ANY sort of way. You subjectively interpreted it that way and decided to present such statement as truth, as you do with most other aspects of your religion. He wasn't leading any answer; it was a simple yes or no question. Even if it WAS a leading question, using that same method is not moral, it's manipulative. Someone will probably try to quote me some scripture, save your time. defending your logic with a book based on circular reasoning holds no bearing with me. I believe in proven truth, not a prayer.

[@Fil_the_spil]

​@@-WhyteOwlI'm Christian and don't think the video's message should be that.

[@nunyastinkinbusiness]

True, that.

[@xtrwombat4876]

​@@-WhyteOwlthis is my problem with most non religious people they defame and slander people to support their agenda. Someone will probably try to quote me richard dawkins, save your time. Defending your logic with a book based on circular reasoning holds no bearing with me. I believe in proven truth and prayer.

[@deadlinefortheendtribulati4437]

"if they don't believe what you believe they are going to hell? He loves the sound of his own voice and the answer is "yes"

[@shankargopal4150]

I was expecting something more profound than vicarious redemption.

[@glennsimonsen8421]

What does Krishna have to offer which is better?

[@SaneNoMore]

“You don’t have to believe what I say you have to believe what God’s word says”.

[@lindastrang6755]

The Bible says that the Jews God Yehovah (Jehovah is God) John 17:3, John 4: 23,24, John 20:17, 1 Peter 3:22, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.

[@HuxtableK]

And he couldn't even say that honestly to Chopra's face.

[@SaneNoMore]

@aliasfakename4143 2 Peter 1:20-21 “knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” 2 Tim 3:16-17 “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.” 1 Thes 2:13 “And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers.” But I do not expect you to believe these things for as scripture tells us, Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. (1 Cor 2:12-13)

[@Philitron128]

How do you know it to be god's word?

[@BlacksmithTWD]

@@Philitron128 Religion is about belief, not about knowledge. If you want to know about what we can know, I suggest to start with Socrates.

[@Jay-ate-a-bug]

So, what I heard is that instead of answering the question "Unless you believe in Jesus, you will burn in Hell." You evaded answering the question to avoid becoming a stereotype. You asked your interlocutor if they believe in Justice for crimes, and then asked if they had done bad things themselves; continuing to evade the original question. Then you created a scenario where there was a Judge willing to pardon his crimes by taking the Punishment him/herself (an obvious metaphor for Jesus' sacrifice). Don't you think that this is a slippery slope? Now the Criminal can Murder, Rape, Molest, steal, etc. etc. because he/she knows that your god is going to forgive them so long as he/she believes that Jesus will do so. It's unfortunate I don't have any desires to commit those types of crimes if it is that easy to get away with them. I doubt the Jewish Person at the Barnes and Noble batted an eyelash at this ridiculous evasion of their original question.

[@bradleyjordan5365]

@Jay-ate-a-bug Your opinions do not matter because you have a ratty yappy dog...

[@RafaelMarques01]

“We are not meant to belong, we are meant to stand out.”

[@elijahgreen2479]

“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! __ Matthew 18: 6_7

[@P.H.888]

We belong to God Jesus is The 1 alone ✝️ who stands out! 🕊

[@melquesedekcastro7480]

Rafael you can use your strength either to harm or to help your brother. Always chose to help because by helping you are not going to have any reason to regret. Think about, how complex we are. Try to get some information about how the human eyes work and you are going to understand it would never come to be without a Creator. Now I am going to mention the bible. This is Jeremiah 17: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man And makes flesh his [b]strength, Whose heart departs from the Lord. The man that try to stand without God isn't a really intelligent man. The reason is: The life you have is God's Spirit giving you life. Without God, no nothing would exist. We came to exist out of Him. Now from the bible again Jeremiah 17: 7 Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, And whose hope is the Lord. 8 For he shall be like a tree planted by the waters, Which spreads out its roots by the river, And will not [c]fear when heat comes; But its leaf will be green, And will not be anxious in the year of drought, Nor will cease from yielding fruit. The Creator of everything wants to relate to you and bless you and make you fruitful. The only thing He wants if for you to give Him a chance to make you better. Have a blessed day brother.

[@daddywoodentop2820]

What you've just described us an excercise in obfuscation and sophistry

[@SuperBC10]

Some “Christian” eh?

[@d1ssolv3r]

Yeah I couldn't even listen to this

[@Exodusfifteenthree]

Like the Wizard of Oz???

[@GracieDontPlayDat]

They want us to waste time throwing Pearls before Swine instead of listening to The Spirit to do what we are supposed to be doing , instead. John 16:13 “When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.”

[@bradleyjordan5365]

@daddywoodentop2820 Your less likely to understand with your football idol worship mindset.

[@everaldodejesus4018]

When I ask a question and the person begins by asking ME questions, I know it's an attempt to paint me into a corner from which I may not be able to extract myself from. I interrupt and say "just answer the question."

[@freiherr260]

Exactly. Having "discussions" at this level is just a waste of time.

[@isaac13d]

Eh, depends on the question.

[@freiherr260]

@@isaac13d No.

[@isaac13d]

@@freiherr260 eh, yeah.

[@freiherr260]

@@isaac13d eh (?)

[@clayc124]

Sometimes the truth hurts, but it's still the truth.

[@indyj16]

Yes, the truth is hard. Lies are easy.

[@MovieMakingMan]

Anyone who seeks the truth and goes to the Bible is laughable. They go to the Bible to be deluded.

[@brysonmcgrew6253]

And Jesus is that Truth

[@morbidclash]

​@@MovieMakingManwhat is the truth and where did you find it if you did?

[@MovieMakingMan]

@@morbidclash Truth is being in accord to reality. That leaves out the Bible since it is collection of books of stories plagiarized for centuries of thousands of years and virtually all is authors are ANONYMOUS. There is zero evidence the biblical god is real. There isn’t any contemporary evidence Jesus even existed. Sadly, that doesn’t stop christians from deliberately lying and living in delusion.

[@margarettelaizure3220]

If I had a nickel for every time I heard the argument for Christianity I’d be more wealthy than the therapists who have people come to untangle the mess that the interpreters have caused.

[@littlesilver2205]

We both be on a cruse linear going to Hawaii about now lol

[@cornet959]

Margarette? Where your parents, grandparents and great grandparents, Christians or Atheists

[@gordoncrawley5826]

There is no argument, the Gospel is a message, accept it or reject it. But be sure, God is just and keeps His promises both for heaven and hell. You can say you do not believe in God, but that does not change anything, for his word is good, and He will perform.

[@SHAVIM]

@@gordoncrawley5826 agree with you but there actually are a lot of arguments for God

[@SHAVIM]

there are so much arguments for christianity you just don't bother noticing them

[@claudiaschneider5744]

Today I feel a very deep relief since I left evangelical christianity. My deconversion is a journey through all those brainwashed doctrines which really brought me deeply in truble - no more manipuliations by other people about their weird religious oppinions - that game is over.

[@deguilhemcorinne418]

Nice to hear that. And I cannot believe how this apologist can feel proud of his pathetic step by step questions which are supposed to manipulate a sense of guilt and fear of punishment. Any attorney will laugh at him ! Unfortunately, this manipulation over a sense of guilt is at the core of a lot of religious construct.

[@ecstanton]

​@@deguilhemcorinne418bingo. Guilt and fear are the evil tools of choice of most organized religions.

[@PerrySciara]

What most people do not understand about being a Christian is that we are messengers. It is our responsibility to deliver the message, not to decide who accepts or rejects that message

[@Thruevangelisteyes]

Perry, you hit the mark. 🎯 Now let’s go tell someone else about Jesus . 🙏🏼🎶 Here we go ! Are you in ?

[@Drew32296]

🎯👏

[@dabo357]

"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me." Jesus Christ

[@ronbonora7872]

that is what he should have told Deepak Chopra!

[@calonstanni]

@@ronbonora7872 and charles manson. BUT HE DIDNT, DID HE? LOL

[@anonymousjohnson976]

Could you supply me with the proof that Jesus said anything at all?

[@dabo357]

@@anonymousjohnson976 Can you prove Socrates ever said anything?

[@Xarai]

@@dabo357 yes actually we can, but thats dodging the question prove your jeebus

[@Blurns]

Oh yes, the "answer a question with another question" trick.

[@iwinyoulose9427]

Presenting it as if it’s a some sort of new debate tactic too 😂

[@doug753]

Jesus himself did this, so are you saying that it is unacceptable?

[@Blurns]

Yes.@@doug753

[@kolisaxinidlu7289]

We don't go to heaven because of what good we did. We go to heaven by Grace.

[@jamesduck926]

And obedience. You must be obedient.

[@cutoverpark9596]

@@jamesduck926 Oh yes,You must Obey,Worship and Fear an imaginary celestial dictator your whole life so you hopefully go to an imaginary place after you die,What an absolutely miserable existence…Read Christopher Hitchens for true enlightenment on the biggest con known to mankind…Religion…🤔

[@bobhappy991]

after all you can do, faith without works is dead

[@annabell7524]

"How to manipulate non-christians" is all I got out of this

[@flimsyjimnz]

His dialogue got his opponent to put the answer, in stages, on the 'table'. Drawing your answer out of your opponent is the ultimate reply.

[@electrical5]

When someone says "... so you are saying... ." immediately respond, no, you are the one saying that.

[@aldewachter7986]

Good one! Personally I tend to retort "Was I in any way unclear?"

[@godswill2260]

being passive aggressive is a good way to have a conversation unlike your approach

[@godswill2260]

@@aldewachter7986 what do you mean? wooosh

[@aldewachter7986]

@@godswill2260 I mean: if you're going to play games, don't follow silly rules.

[@doug753]

Are you saying paraphrasing is a bad thing?

[@benvanrensburg4261]

I am thankful for this honesty about a dishonest rhetorical trick. Note that the original question was not actually answered, but circumvented, by the oratory. (BTW If anyone else claims to be the only forgiver, does that make him / her the Only Way, too?) Now, for the record: I, too, have done wrong things. I got punished for most of them and I'm not complaining. As for the rest, I reject the idea of shoving the rightful punishment off onto any innocent person past, present or future. So the circumvention does not work, in my case. And, besides, we know what the answer to the original question is. I am glad that the presenter admitted it.

[@nickgiglio7109]

But the twisted thing is... The punishment is already paid in his poor analogy... And the victim is the judge himself! A better analogy with the judge would be for the judge to say that at the start of his career he spent a year in jail and can now pardon any and all crimes for those who wish to have their crimes pardoned... No matter how many times you commit the crime and appear before the judge. There is no punishment for doing wrong in this, if you do or don't do wrong, the same punishment has already been enacted. This is the opposite of justice and worse yet it gives blanket permission to commit whatever abhorrent deed you desire...

[@johnwebster9934]

"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." Thomas Aquinas

[@nickwarner8158]

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." Mark Twain

[@Gwaithmir]

Bunk! To one without faith, an explanation based upon reason is not only possible, but appropriate.

[@rickspalding3047]

If everything is suppose to be rational in the earthly realm, then you would never believe, that's fine. Faith vs science isn't even opposing forces, more like apples and oranges

[@joecaner]

Translation: the gullible require no explanation and those with critical reasoning skill are not buying what you're selling.

[@mistylover7398]

@@rickspalding3047 yes they are

[@MarlonBanks-u4d]

The rationalization of the dishonesty in a 20/20 hindsight after action review is absolutely gold. "Well if I just answer the question honestly, I'm going to look really bad". I died laughing. Favorite clip on the Internet

[@johanrunfeldt7174]

Most, if not all, people have done bad things, but very few, if any, has done anything that warrants an eternity in Hell.

[@makislay8678]

the concept of Heaven and hell falls flat once you realize evil is created not born

[@JesusismyGOD]

How would you know, little creation?

[@SHAVIM]

then you don't know anything about heaven or hell because by definition hell is literally "the absence of God"

[@melquesedekcastro7480]

I will solve the puzzle for you. There's no eternal Hell. To know it you just need to read what is in Revelation 20: 14 Then Death and Hades, hell, were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. The meaning is the lake of fire is called the second death. No more worrying about an eternal Hell.

[@jimquantic]

Yet, there is a serious danger to answering someone's question by "rephrasing" it. Sure, great IF the rephrase does not CHANGE the question into something it never was in the first place. Watch for subtlety when anyone "rephrases" YOUR question--is the rephrased question still, your question or it is changed in a seemingly minor way, but actually turning it into a question....you never asked?

[@davidhunt7249]

Well stated. Thnk you for your post. Peace.

[@jimhughes1070]

May I submit that it is not potentially dangerous... But actually the most polite and courteous form of communication in debate...

[@oscarh1697]

@@jimhughes1070 of course we are assuming good intentions but quite often they are not...

[@jan_777]

@@oscarh1697 The initial question, the video is about, is already asked in bad intention or under false pretence. The tactic here is to get rid of the bad intentions and show the other person why salvation is needed.

[@reggieb184]

At 1:34 he admits to side stepping the issue. He does believe that, he just doesn't want to say so because it sounds bad, because it IS bad.

[@pgerschibm]

The guy at the bookstore should said, it depends on how bad was the thing they did. All wrong deeds don’t deserve going to hell for eternity.

[@JesusismyGOD]

All bad deeds against the Almighty ETERNAL creator do, and that is why he wrote the bible for us, sent his prophets and apostles and Jesus to inform us of how things actually work, not the manipulation tactics that weak and pitiful limited man tries to spin things to their own destruction and shipwreck.

[@dwashington1333]

the wages of sin is death, not torture.

[@dwashington1333]

@@GoddessTier Who in the hell is Jebus?

[@gracealone89]

@@dwashington1333 The wages of sin is death, yes. But the word death here refers to eternal death, a separation from God in the lake of fire.

[@danellewashington2402]

@@gracealone89 yes I agree but the Lake of Fire is not a literal fire. You can't throw death and hell into a literal fire

[@milogarcia2815]

I just hit em with "God is fair" "judgment is based on the foreknowledge of God" and "he is willing for none to perish"

[@thomaskist9503]

Sometimes we only have a few seconds to talk to people so here we go: a perfect God requires absolute perfection in his followers, which means none of us can achieve this. But God will give you heaven and perfection for free, all you have to do is accept the gift. The gift is Jesus.

[@hychannel555]

Yep, I would have rather taken this answer vs. the whole what's considered a moral crime (hugely debatable), and that makes you a bad person analogy.

[@jameshavard3182]

I take my dogs to the dog park everyday (not raining). Today I saw a 9 month old dog at his first day in the park. He was apprehensive of what was going on and cautious of other dogs and people. But after a few minutes he ventured out to see other dogs and people and he went from cautious and apprehensive to happy. So I thought that God put people in this universe and we are like this pup coming to a dog park for the first time. We are apprehensive and cautious but God means for us to be happy and God gave us the rules to live by to be happy.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Who do you mean, then, @James Harvard ? And how happy did Exodus 21:20 make people? Also, what by default happened to many gay people in Christendom, after Matthew 5:18? Also, per Romans 9:12 and 8:30, who is the 'us' you actually mean? And how many. Is it an open ended list, or predestinated, instead? And just ask a Spanish Jew in the 1500s whether they should be apprehensive or not, sometimes, too?

[@frusia123]

Beautifully put 🙂

[@clintonleonard5187]

Eh, idk. Life is pretty painful and not really happy at all, for some people. I think the point is to be a good person in spite of that. To use the negativity of the world to push you harder to be a good person. To turn the other cheek toward someone who does you wrong, to eat a loss and not cheat someone else, to get somewhere last and not cut in front. Make a sacrifice of yourself once a day and you will be on the right track.

[@Yo_Mp3]

LMAOOOOOO THIS IS INSANE

[@ari-man]

Wow, beautiful analogy! I once saw a story on the internet of a dog that was beaten and starved to death. Poor thing, but I guess that's what happens when you don't venture out enough. 100% deserved.

[@timothyvenable3336]

Seems to be a lot of confusions in the chat about side stepping the question… the way the guy in the video “side stepped” the question was to answer it a different way, in a way that is more polite while also more powerful than a simple, or even complex discussion. Brilliantly done!

[@thegodlogic3844]

Great tactic. However there are many a slips in the substitutionary atonement part which will attract many more questions, e.g., 1. If I will be forgiven for my sins, because of Jesus blood, this knowledge will encourage me to do more sins and creating more Evil on earth like Christians are doing every day. In India, they do all kind of foul and cheating evangelism, In other words God is encouraging sin by this 2. If my punishments to sins are forgiven, I will keep repeating those sins and I will get addicted to those sins and after I go to heaven I will keep on doing those sins in heaven, Then God will send me to hell? 3. If Jesus can only forgive one's sins, what will happen to all billions of people who died before Jesus died on the cross? Where they will be put? Hell? 4. What will all believers who are forgiven for sins, but love to continue to do sins will do after they go to heaven? They will do all kinds of sins in heaven. Then it will be chaos there.

[@timothyvenable3336]

@@thegodlogic3844 hey I was just wondering if those were your actual concerns, or if you just wished they were addressed? Didn’t know if I needed to respond to them or not because I definitely can 😃

[@elijahgreen2479]

“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! _ Matthew 18: 6_7

[@frankrobinson8852]

@@elijahgreen2479 well quoted!

[@timothyvenable3336]

@@jeffforsythe9514 I can’t tell if this is a joke lol If not, can you confirm that? I’ve never heard any of that before. Where did you get that information?

[@bobjacobson858]

Excellent video! I'm going to remember, and use, this approach!

[@SandfordSmythe]

Can someone tell me why the question wasn't answered up-front?

[@STRvideos]

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[@chocolatestraw3971]

@@STRvideos Because the only way he can defend his religion is through verbal trickery, playing on others' emotions, and bad logic.

[@ducksauss]

You know what? I was wondering the same thing.

[@johnle231]

Bevause he was wise and took the opportunity to witness while answering the question

[@chocolatestraw3971]

@@STRvideos Because he needed to dishonestly reframe the question because deep down, he knows torture is immoral, and infinite torture is infinitely so, but his worldviews is predicated on ignoring that.

[@Limeskin]

I honestly thought he was going to ask a question that would be so hard for Christians to answer, as if he just destroyed Christianity. But I was very well pleased.

[@singed8853]

A question cannot generally destroy a religion which is not founded on reason and evidence. The stuff is s essentially a cult where different dogmas run through the minds of the followers.

[@hoodatdondar2664]

@@singed8853 You might enjoy “ The testimony of the evangelists”, a study of the gospels by a lawyer, according to the rules of evidence.

[@rubber2023]

a cult? why does that matter if God's fake and we'll all vaporize?? @@singed8853 also, define 'cult'. " a religion which is not founded on reason and evidence." sounds like the athiesm that many internet athiests have.

[@doug753]

I beg to differ, I say that the Faith of Messiah has more reason and evidence then anything else period, it's just that so many refuse to accept the reality of that. So the narrative becomes lack of reason or evidence because of the many.@@singed8853

[@rarescevei8268]

​@@singed8853The world's largest religion is a cult? Do you even know what the word cult means? Also, the bible is still the most attested to document in History. Saying there is no proof is ridiculous and ignorant.

[@dereksmith6126]

To anyone with a logical mind, it's obvious that humans created all the gods and not the other way round.

[@science_is_fake_and_gay2710]

Do you have an justification for the claim of having a logical mind? Funny thing is, you cannot answer my question without committing a fallacy as you cannot prove logic with logic (circularity)

[@mihaicraiu9779]

By grace God created humans and by pride humans created gods

[@48403]

@@science_is_fake_and_gay2710 man debunks logic!

[@glennsimonsen8421]

So then explain for us where your logical mind came from.

[@abrahamwahlang6517]

I am so thankful for this video. You expressed in a very simple way possible. We learnt a lot. In addition to that, i would like to express my way, about why we are all sinners. It is very simple. The reason we were produced in the we are, is because. We were not just created for any simple terms. The very reason we were created is to be tempted and Souls be thrown into Hell. That's the terms made by God and the Fallen Angels. I know many will confused and disagreed with me but that is the Truth. The very reason we were created is to partaking in the Spiritual Warfare of Deceptions, Temptations. No man borned on earth, who had not fallen in any of the deceptions and temptations of the Fallen Angels. Once fallen to temptations, our Souls also died. This is the battles between God and the Devil. It is just because if the simple reason that our Creator is The Loving GOD, who found the way to save us. If any body have not understood this, what if the Devil demand any Soul from God saying, " That Soul had fallen into our temptations, should go with us to Hell fire. If you want to throw us to Hell fire, we will take everyone down with us." What about that my friends. Have you understood how grave is Sin. I am also a sinner, i need Some One to save me. Thanks to Jesus Christ who shed his blood for me. This is the message of Christianity. Thank you.

[@lordlaughypants5889]

Admitting I did something wrong does not make me a sinner. Sin is a religious word of which I do not hold my standards or morality on to. Also, if you think people deserve to get punished for bad behavior than how can you be all for forgiveness. Should Chris Watts who killed his pregnant wife and two daughters be allowed into heaven because he "found Jesus" in prison? If I could get punished for eternity for simply not believing, and yet someone like that gets the comfy afterlife, where is the Justice or mercy?

[@vernonhurley1300]

Simple. All sin is even in God's eyes. We put rank sin not God. The whole point is accepting the truth of the gospel and receiving Jesus as your savior. All sin is forgiven. The reason for so many people going to hell is not accepting the simplicity of the gospel or in some people's view the unfair look at sin. I may have lied or cheated or stolen but I'm no killer or rapist.

[@brandonjohnson4822]

If I murder someone, yet I do not accept that I did something immoral and wrong, does that negate me being a murderer? If God is the Creator of the world and Judge of all, does He have the right to forgive the penalty for humanity’s sin against Him?

[@pablojones5613]

The simple answer to that question is yes. End of story. It doesn't matter how offensive the answer ultimately is if it's true.

[@davidward3991]

The Bible was assembled in the late 300's and the early 400's and it was the Latin Vulgate. The word Hell was created in 705 in Germany and it means a hidden place. We called them root cellars in the US. In the Middle ages many people put food to preserve the food so they would not starve and yes they put the food in Hell. So so idiot decided to use Dante's Inferno to rule over people in the middle ages. Jesus made it clear that we should not fear the man who kills the body but not the soul, rather you should fear HIM (aka GOD) can consume the body and soul in the Gehenna fire (not Gehenna hell). Yes it is consumed body and soul and is instantaneous not burning forever.

[@StanleyMunson]

I'm genuinely curious what your response would be to this answer of the first question: "do you think people who commit moral crimes aught to be punished?" Yes. But just because I think they should be punished, doesn't mean they will be. Many people get away with their crimes unpunished

[@guardianmeister6650]

You have a good question. By the way I'm on board with Koukl (just so you know where I am coming from). One of the huge points of the Bible is that God is omniscient. A holy God. A just God. A true God. A perfect God ... MUST punish all bad/crimes/sin. While people here on earth cannot prove certain things or lack the means of enforcing some earthly justice, the God who is also omnipotent can and does when that person dies, exits the body and faces Him in eternity (if their sins are somehow not removed or taken out of the way ... they are taken out of the way by the sinner repenting of their sin (repentance toward God) and believing in His Son (faith in our Lord Jesus Chrish), whom he set forth as a perfect offering, the only one that can truly satisfy His Holiness and absorb His wrath). At the risk of seeming to show off (or seem intellectual), I would like to challenge you with a very deep thought. Have you heard of FM radio? FM = frequency modulation. That's where some baseband signal (e.g. a recording of a voice or live voice) that is limited to say, 10 Khz range, is modulated and put on a high frequency carrier. Let's say 78 MHz, which is easily transmitted via a manageably sized antenna. The original voice frequency range would require an antenna the size of the Empire State building (transmit and receive). That's one of the reasons someone invented FM. Using a 78 MHz pure sine wave at the receiver, the FM can be de-modulated and the original voice signal recovered. Voila, you have transmitted someone's voice from here in the world to there, with very little delay! So what does that have to do with anything? Many men commit sins and then "hide" those sins on a high frequency carrier, let's say 89.21483007892 MHz. To prove what they did, first you have to know what frequency they put their sins on. You have to know it EXACLY (in the purest mathematical sense, in reality there is some tolerance). Then you need the right demodulation scheme to recover and see what exactly they did. In the book of Revelation, the Scripture says that those who are not found in Christ will stand at a White Throne judgement seat, where all their sins will become obvious in light of Gods total and absolute perfection. White Light. The imagery is purity, clarity, perfection. Do you know what makes white light? True white light consists of light at ALL frequencies, including 89.21483007892 MHz. Demodulation at the exact carrier frequency will be performed, their sin recovered and presented back to them. They will know they are guilty and they will know they have been caught. They will know that their judgment is just. They will have done things they never wanted anyone else to do to them. But they were perfectly willing to dish it out, hide it and let other people bear the brunt. God, in mercy, pleading with man to be reconciled to Himself, has made the perfect offering in Christ. He has made a way for sins to be taken out of the way and to face Him as Savior, not as Judge.

[@Jon-fh6nf]

I would first ask what do you mean by moral crimes? Also, you are correct people get away with crimes unpunished all the time but if the God if the Bible is true then they are only getting away from their crimes for a short period. We are alive for a maximum of 120 years most will die well before their 90s. We are dead for a really really long time. It is in this dead time that their crimes will be paid for. The question is who is going to pay for it?

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@jamesstumpff7774 Is it possibly because they did not understand the gift, or see it as free? Heck you cannot even get all Abrahamic believers to agree on the same definition of Mossiach, or what he'd be expected to do. Not much precedent of the title meaning a divine god-man, for one. Plus major expectations of total fulfilments in one life time. And on a sliding scale, what were 70,000 men, and possibly a good number of women too, RESPONSIBLE for in 2 Samuel 24, and 1 Chronicles 21? After King David's hasty, possibly unmarked by ceremonial sacrifice - census? Regardless of whoever inspired the wretched thing. But hey, the 'path is narrow and few may find it' and all was 'predestinated before the beginning of the world' - eh. Maybe He gets enjoyment out of making most into vessels of dishonor or disposal? I wouldn't know, without an answer to the census debacle. Would barely know where to start.

[@geraldeade391]

Jesus did

[@willnordeste5949]

But not for long that is his point

[@1968jpy]

Wow phenomenal video and thank you for this much appreciated 🙏🏻

[@wendymoran6759]

Soooo ... Still waiting for the answer to the question. Is there a Part 2?

[@wakeupuk3860]

Yes me too. Never ceases to amaze me, that Christians especially this type of guy who I suspect they know the game is up on religion especially as it based on faith and not factual evidence, it's origins no matter the religion pretty much come humans in caves petrified and trying to make sense and reason of why that very large yellow ball and the smaller silver one at nighttime don't fall to the ground like rocks do. Each century basically waffle as this guy does by using words (like a con man does) to build their own arguements that to them prove their belief as oppose as in Science where sometimes years of logic, experimentation, counter proofs to disprove the scientific law are carried out. To me, guys like this one are just mentally ill !!

[@kaitlinrose6352]

The video was about tactics, not trying to answer the question. But: “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” ‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭6‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[@wendymoran6759]

@@kaitlinrose6352 Wow, you really thought that through!

[@StevenPJames-fl1un]

@@wendymoran6759 I don't think it can be any more obvious than that. If you choose to ignore it than go ahead, it is your prerogative. Many do. If you find it offensive, I'm sorry for that.

[@gtdadof10]

Wendy, the answer is as follows, first, the question was not really intended as an actual question, it was intended as a trap, a stumbling block. That notwithstanding, how I believe is not the key to being right with God; thus, to the direct, verbatim question, the answer is, no, you don't need to believe exactly like me to go to heaven, be right with God, or however one thinks of that. The issue is this, you and I and all of us were irrevocably destined to be separated from our loving God, Creator and Father forever. There was absolutely nothing that could be done about that. BUT, He loved us, He loved me, He loved you; so much so that He was willing to put aside His royal rights, become one of us, and associate with our pain and suffering by suffering Himself, and even dying for us. He paid for our reconciliation, restoration and restitution. He won our war with a horrible destiny and, now, let's us enjoy the rights and privileges to be called children of the King of all kings. I think this is the greatest news ever! The real answer to the question is that God created you for relationship with Him. That's still what He wants; and He was willing to humble Himself and pay with His own life to get it. God bless you, Wendy. I'm praying your eyes are opened to the beauty of true life.

[@jeffreyjackson5229]

I have grown such that I don't even get into these types of things, because my experience has shown me that they go no where and have no conclusion. I believe what I do and don't have to justify it, and I give the individual the same liberty. A Christian's responsibility is two-fold: Strive to let Christ live out His through them and proclaim, not debate. After you have done the latter, you have planted a seed and that's it. If God wants it watered, it will be and He will give the increase. If they won't hear you, Jesus said shake the dust off of your feet. The way he comes across is that he is concerned about looking bad in man's eyes. Dr. Chopra's question, in my opinion, made him shift his attention from God/The Bible to himself. Tell him what The Bible says and leave it, and he can take it or leave it.

[@Doc-Holliday1851]

Yeah. Unfortunately if someone identifies as an atheist they are usually beyond help. I will still get into debates because A. It’s helpful in strengthening my faith. B. It may be helpful to those who are reading the debate who are not yet lost.

[@jeffreyjackson5229]

Doc, we all have our own individual walk, so if debating strengthens your faith, so be it. I understand your point it helping those listening. I am assuming that you mean relative to hell when you say lost, because they are already lost. Remember that Jesus said that he came to seek and save that which was lost. So we were born lost.

[@Theescapist_87]

I agree. I love apologetics, but if someone's heart isn't receptive to God's Word then no amount of debating or attempting to reason them will have an effect. We can plant the seed, but God is the one that ultimately waters it. I came to the Lord when I was at rock bottom after living in a way that broke a few of the 10 commandments. You know what made me want to turn away from sin? God's love and stern warnings throughout the scriptures that said how I had lived was wrong.

[@Christianos_Theophile]

Exactly, bro. Well said

[@monkeyman116]

At around the 2 minute mark (first time seeing this video btw) when you were talking to the Jewish man about why he needs Jesus and he already believes in God, my IMMEDIATE thought was, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

[@jimb3457]

But aren't the Jewish people the chosen people by God?? "“For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people of his own possession, out of all the nations that are on the face of the earth” (Deut. 14:2). Am I to believe that the Jewish people, because they don't recognize Jesus, will not come to the Father (heaven)?? They worshiped God for centuries before the Christians.......

[@chiloandchepo]

​@@jimb3457 then what happened ? Disrespected God over and over then killed him. Sorry they will have to pay. And go through the tribulation

[@jimb3457]

@@chiloandchepo Ah, sorry....but Jesus was a Jew. And on the cross, he forgave the Jews for what they did....remember?? There is no basis in the scripture for the argument that the entire Jewish people were responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. "And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did also your rulers. But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ should suffer, he thus fulfilled. (Acts 3:17-18)" "For truly there were gathered together in this city against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever thy hand and thy plan had predestined to take place. (Acts 4:27-28)" Luke clearly distinguishes between the Jews in Jerusalem/Judea and those elsewhere. The former are held responsible for Jesus' death but not the latter, as is shown by the change from second (chaps. 2-7) to third (chaps. 10-13) person? The speeches to the Gentiles (chaps. 14, 17) contain no references to the death of Jesus.

[@Vicky-bn6in]

Yes, and Jesus did say, " I and the Father are One" NKJ , NASB and many other Real Bibles, but be careful because some a

[@Phylaetra]

@@chiloandchepo Not a single Jew alive today had a hand in that.

[@jeffs60s]

I'm a Christian, and I've seen this tactic used often. I'd be more interested in how you would directly answer Deepak's question.

[@eddyalonsomoramorales6069]

If don’t believe in god I’m I going to hell ???

[@jeffs60s]

@@eddyalonsomoramorales6069 If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, who He is, and his finished work on the cross (dying for us by paying for our sins), then yes.

[@Stephen_M02]

1:00 - he does give his direct answer in the video, but says it would have "given the wrong impression". It's hard for me to see this any other way than deep brainwashing, whether someone did this to Greg, or he did it to himself, or a bit of both!

[@jonathan4189]

My favorite part of this is how Greg keeps misrepresenting how Chopra actually asked the question. Go watch the actual debate and you can see how calmly and nicely Deeprak Chopra asked a very different question. Don’t get me wrong Chopra is a tool, but I love how much a simple honest question got under Greg’s skin.

[@diannkelley3481]

This question just now popped into my mind. Would God create people who are sociopathic (without a conscience) knowing that the sins they commit will lead them to hell?

[@STRvideos]

That's a great question! We invite you to call in to our weekly broadcast to ask Greg your question. He'd love to hear from you. Or you can submit an #STRask or Open Mic question. Visit www.str.org/broadcast for details.

[@diannkelley3481]

@@STRvideos naw, I’m not much into that. Many things can be explained away by knowledgeable people. I also wonder why God created hell, since we believe He created everything. Why did He just destroy Satan and his minions rather than creating a place (hell) which could be used to keep people in line out of fear?

[@richmyers6128]

Only God knows the answer, but here's my opinion: Why did He create sociopaths? For that matter, why did He create psychopaths, serial killers, puppy kickers, etc, etc, etc..... because God uses all things to give Him glory. Without seeing and knowing the evil in the world, we wouldn't need faith, would we? Everything would be perfect, and we would thank God and love Him without choosing to love Him...... but there's the other predicament. He gave us free will, so that we have the CHOICE to love Him. We also have the choice to sin and send ourselves to hell.

[@doug753]

Just because you have sinned doesn't mean your going to hell. Hell is not the same as the. Lake of fire and brimstone. And the Lake of fire and brimstone wasn't created for man. It was created for Satan and his angels.

[@johnnyreb280]

So.. Matthew Henry's commentary often emphasizes the concept of free will in interpreting biblical passages. In the context of individuals with sociopathic tendencies sir, the perspective could be that God grants humans the freedom to make choices, even if those choices lead to immoral behavior. The idea is that God's omniscience doesn't negate human responsibility for their actions. Consequently, the potential for sins leading to hell may be viewed as a consequence of individual choices rather than a predetermined design by God. This perspective aligns with the theological theme of free will present in many Christian interpretations.

[@CraigTubes1]

When someone commits a wrong, there is and must be an injured party. The moral debt is to the injured party. Not to a mythical entity who is supposedly in control of your soul after you die. If you want a clear conscience and an unburdened soul while you are alive, you make amends with the injured party. Or live in some way to repay the debt created. You don't rely on a mythical forgiveness that is basically a self-delusion that the injury you caused is somehow magically erased. Taking ownership of our errors and living better as a result is how we grow as human beings. Not by living in fear of an ancient myth.

[@JL-go3]

Once philosophical suicide has been committed, the individual will not even comprehend the prison their mind is trapped in .

[@AlanWinterboy]

Wow. Sales strategies to avoid answering a simple question. "The Devil is a Liar, and the father of Lies."

[@arelman]

So, if you've ever done anything wrong, no matter how trivial, you have to burn in hell forever if you don't believe in Jesus. But if you do believe, no matter how heinous your past deeds, you're home free.

[@doug753]

You misunderstand many things it appears but let me address one of them at least. Just believing In Jesus isn't what quickens you It's being born again that makes the difference. The devil believes and trembles before Jesus But being born again wipes the slate clean and God casts your sins over His right shoulder into the sea of forgetfulness it says. So belief must turn into a desire to be made new, whole again except this time your birth is not according to man or the flesh, it is according to Gods Holy Spirit who does this operation of faith. Ye must be born again, not of the flesh but of the spirit. That is how your home free.

[@arthurthomasware5004]

I listened closely. Some clever ploys used. That said, my own views, developed over eighty-five years, continue to remain open. As for hell-fire punishment after death, what sort of sick mind thought that up?

[@hamilton7750]

The same minds that have to control and manipulate people, aka polititians, kings, clergy, men in general.

[@mistylover7398]

Their evil God

[@antonchekhov7861]

Good point about hell. Only a sick mind, disturbed mind invented hell.

[@LordVader1094]

@@antonchekhov7861 Lol life and nature itself is plenty disturbing, doesn't take much to think of the concept that there's punishment after death for doing horrible things in life.

[@tarp-grommet]

@@LordVader1094 Have you ever heard of civil and criminal law? Do you actually think wrongdoers go unpunished?

[@Robert-we9jp]

As good as ever! ... We used to talk in the control room at KBRT when I was there fielding calls for Kevin Shannon on Sunday afternoons. You would come in before your show. I appreciated your study of eschatology and your conclusion after a year of study. (I also apologize for the sometimes rude people with a different position who would call in to argue end times.) However, God used it for good to drive you to the extensive study. We later met briefly one time at Hope Chapel when you spoke there.

[@blackholeentry3489]

Something which has always puzzled me...How can anyone go to to places which don't exist...(heaven or hell)

[@doug753]

At least your honest. What has convinced you that they don't exist?

[@blackholeentry3489]

@@doug753 As an 82 year old knowledgeable and lifetime astronomer, I question the entire idea of a God created universe. The Hubble 'Deep Field' photos of the late 90's revealed an estimated two trillion galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars. So, where is God? It might be benificial for you to give a listen to Sam Harris, the late Carl Sagan and Christopher Hitchens.

[@doug753]

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Does not the potter have power over the clay? You exclaim the wonders of the universe and yet you deny willingly the hand that formed it. It is apparent that you will not ascribe to the Creator his due glory. I understand that not all men have faith, but to give the words of men in place of the words of God shows me that you do not actually consider me to be capable of determining what is or isn't. This is really easy to determine, either your right or I'm right and soon enough we will both witness the unveiling of events which will prove beyond and doubt whether their is a God or not. Have you ever pondered the duality of all things? Good/evil, up/down, born/die, black/white, in/out, There are laws of creation in place that de fie man's understanding, that shows how little man really understands. If we were to summarily cast aside these laws for the reason of lack of understanding and knowledge, what would the result be?, chaos? You so wonderfully acknowledged the beauty of so many galaxies and this and that and you actually believe that its all there by chance? of course not!, anyone can see that there is such an order it is impossible for their to not be someone who has ordered it all according to exact dimensions and size and scope and substance. Nay sir, you do err and that err has darkened your understanding. I do not intend to insult or defame or anything bad to you, only that what you offer is to me only of the earthly and that not the best, whereas I say there is so much more, the heavenly as you so described partly and that which exists in the Ether @@blackholeentry3489​

[@wardellcheeks3620]

@@blackholeentry3489all none believers . Sam Harris, just made a joke of himself on the subject of child sexual exploitation . Follow him at your own risk.

[@gdobie1west988]

@@doug753 First you need to prove they exist, the one making the claims has the burden of proof.

[@morrisdennis]

Most ppl can't even give u a definition of sin, they really don't understand how 2 critically think anymore. 🤔

[@Vivi-vg9lx]

this is exactly the opposite. They can't give you definition because they DO think critically. Sin as in the bible or sin as just doing something bad, which society doesn't approve or sin as your own moral code. It's the Bible fanatics who can't think critically and take whatever is in the Bible as the only truth without asking questions. Critical thinking is all about asking questions, whether something is true or not and finding arguments to prove one or the other.

[@quinnlynnspencer7045]

I doubt you have talked to most people so how do you know… 🤔

[@48403]

Fundamentalism usually erodes critical thinking skills, and through that the dogma cements itself in the mind of the host

[@toasterbath1795]

Wow you won the imagnary battle, have a metal

[@doug753]

@@Vivi-vg9lxCritical thinking should have for it's culmination the solution of it's concerted effort, else it is a waste of time and energy, let alone the frustration that will ensue...

[@abesaint9288]

I usually just ask them this simple thing… “prove it” They never can, every time they tell me to “have faith” which is not proof of there being a god

[@thomasecker9405]

Depends on what you mean by proof, as there are many different ways for people of varying fields of study to prove things and come to similar conclusions.

[@morganclare4704]

BUY A BOOK ON BIBLICAL PHROPHESIES.

[@NinjaPro57]

@@morganclare4704 she thinks that shouting makes it a better point

[@delishme2]

Ooh, edgy 😆

[@daveufirst]

Countless verified miracles in His name. None are so blind...

[@sdb6757]

Most people would say bad deeds should be punished, but no reasonable person believes that punishment should be burning in fire for eternity. That’s what doesn’t make sense to people and you’re not dealing with that question.

[@glennsimonsen8421]

Hell is separation from God. God has given you free will to freely accept or reject him.

[@kurthasedd7923]

The debate shouldn't be seen as sticking it to your opponent, but as a way to bridge understanding between you and them. If you're a Christian who doesn't want to look stupid or who wants to stick it to some atheist who thinks they know better than you, your head is in the wrong place. Whether you debate a Muslim or a Jew or a Buddhist or an atheist, you should always keep in your mind that at then end of the conversation you want to call them brother or sister and no to push them away out of vanity. The Bible has the answers, if it didn't it wouldn't have spread all over the world and stuck. People have questioned the Bible since its conception and they always should because it needs to stand up to scrutiny. With that said, this is a good way of handling it. When blunt questions are asked like this the questioner almost always wants a blunt answer intentionally. They don't want a follow up, they just want "yes if you don't believe in Jesus Christ you're going to hell" and nothing more. It's meant to shame you rather than engage with you, but when you have the opportunity to engage and to delve deeper and explain that we are human beings and we have done wrongs and because we've done wrong we deserve punishment as punishment is apart of justice, but that God in choosing to die at our hands and telling us we are forgiven is payment for our sins from then on, it becomes a bigger a deal. If you know of Christ and know that he died for the forgiveness of sins, how can you refute God? To refute him and to say I don't believe is to not want God and hell is punishment because it is a place without God. Now if one were to say "I'm not convinced" I would still say that there is reason to examine the bible further and examine the points of doubt, because there are answers out there, you just have to look

[@melluzi]

You're wong. "some atheist who thinks they know better" is not the case. Unlike Christians, atheists don't care about unanswered questions as unlike any religion, science and common sense answer them one by one. There are millions of things that used to be explained as God's punishment and now turned out to be absolutely natural and explainable. Nobody will ever provide an evidence a guy called Jesus didn't live in that place during that time as that would mean saying there was no John Smith living in London in 2005. Unfortunately, all the rest is mythology and it's totally unnecessary if you just want to be a good person living a good life. Willingness to do good things to others must be much stronger motivation than the fear of going to hell and it that's not the case for someone, he has serious issues.

[@doug753]

well said...

[@waterboy12342232]

Very well written. Agree.

[@flagsession]

This is crazy, your whole point is to use trickery to make someone believe they need Jesus' forgiveness for just living a normal life. Now People who commit crimes of the land, deserve punishment by the judicial systems we have in place, and serve their time accordingly. People who are by definition " atheist", don't need to ask God for forgiveness if they're going about their daily lives, not harming anyone. For example, my life goes like this: I wake up, go for a run, go to work, tell my wife I love her, do an honest day's work, come home, spend time with my wife, go to bed......what apparent sin am I committing? I don't murder, rape, steal, or get into anyone else's business, yet apparently, I'm a sinner? I love my wife, I'd never hurt her or treat her unkindly, and in turn, she treats me amazingly too. So I see no need for all these tricky sidestep maneuvers to prove a point like you're doing. It's actually unbelievable a Christian would need to use deception to answer a question. Perhaps that it a sin in itself. Your move.

[@Drew32296]

I’d love to see how badly you’d demand justice for someone murdering a family member of yours. You’d show that person absolutely no mercy at all. Why? Because you’re a human. God isn’t like us. He demands justice because He’s perfect, unlike any human, and at the same time showed His mercy by taking on a human body to sacrifice Himself to satisfy His own system He set up. Imagine God thinking like a human showing you no mercy at all and only bringing justice to you, a sinner? I can guarantee you your mind will change once you’re on your deathbed one day

[@WhiteStrike01]

1. Define morality(realistically the conversation ends here because you can’t define morality. You can define what is ethical, what is right, but you can’t define morality. That’s a personal question) 2. Yes 3. I do not agree because you haven’t defined morality. Morality according to who’s standards?

[@lizadowning4389]

Actually 'ethos' (greek) is semantically synonym for 'mores' (latin, plural for mos). Cicero in his contemplations on free will (De Fato) translated Aristotles greek 'ethos' into 'mores'. They both mean 'character'. So ethics and morality are quite the same. Some however try and make a difference by stating that ethics is the study of morals. Imo a personal view and I don't adhere to that. Both are correct when describing the 'character' of one's behaviour to others. Imo, ethos and mores are 'expected' (oughts) behaviour of individuals in a society through the mechanism of intersubjectivity. Intersubjectivity can be viewed roughly as 'common sense'.

[@jimhughes1070]

I think most reasonable people can agree on morality... The unreasonable not so much

[@WhiteStrike01]

@@jimhughes1070 well yes. What I’m wondering is why religious people have to rely on a book to tell them what is moral

[@jimhughes1070]

@@WhiteStrike01 didn't you just say you didn't know what morality was?... And even though it exists it can't be defined?...

[@WhiteStrike01]

@@jimhughes1070 well what I’m getting at is that the Bible clearly lumps unethical things like murder and theft in with things like homosexuality

[@jrock6340]

The problem is you don’t want to be offensive the gospel is offensive because you have to deny yourself…

[@kieranjohnston7550]

I like this because it is honestly about tactics, about how to manipulate an argument in your favor. As such, it has everything to do with the structure of logic, NOT with the structure of reality. It would be nice to hear proponents of other religions demonstrate their own impeccable logic to come to vastly different conclusions.

[@robh7445]

Judaism states that there is only ONE God. Period. The whole concept of a Trinitarian godhead or vicarious atonement has no precedence, substance, or foundation in the Hebrew bible. Judaism has a rich and vibrant tradition of asking questions and debating. Yet, most of the many, many flavors and denominations for Christianity insist on the unquestioned belief that salvation is through Jesus alone. All on faith, no proof.

[@Mdebacle]

Religions will teach how an offended deity can be reconciled by human efforts. Faith will teach how the offended deity provided the reconciliation.

[@Mdebacle]

@@robh7445 "vicarious atonement has no precedence". And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: but unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

[@elijahgreen2479]

“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! __ Matthew 18: 6_7

[@kieranjohnston7550]

@@robh7445 Judaism states…..Christianity states…..Islam states…..all states of mind, aren’t they?

[@PricelessBinkey1337]

-I think "It's Complicated" learned from this guy- I take all of that back. That was probably the most anticlimactic video I think I've ever seen before in my life. And I lived through the rickroll generation.

[@user-um7tw6kx4r6]

I agree, I thought it would be a very difficult question. I feel that the video uploader is scared to just say who is ultimately in charge of everything. Because it's Deepak Chopra and he doesn't want to offend him.

[@PricelessBinkey1337]

@@user-um7tw6kx4r6 not sure who that is, but I glad someone else agreed 👍

[@douglasdavis8395]

♪ "Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down..." ♪

[@PricelessBinkey1337]

@@douglasdavis8395 I think a good old fashioned Rick roll wouldve been better (than the video)

[@mannygomez7980]

Imagine trying meet god after dying and you see him and then Rick roll kicks in

[@chrisspray666]

its a great way to argue your point, but still misses the point of the question. the question is just a subtle way of asking why your religion over others, without assuming your religion is automatically right.

[@conorl8557]

I would say all other religions have exclusive claims so it is disrespectful to say they are all equally right, I think Christianity is the most factually proven religion and the case of the resurrection is impossible to refute in my opinion

[@chrisspray666]

@@conorl8557 there is literally no proof for god, any of them. that's why its faith based, not fact based. no more proof for Jesus than Santa clause.

[@conorl8557]

@@chrisspray666 are you serious?? There is irrefutable proof that Jesus existed and died on the Cross every single historian who has looked into this has agreed that

[@chrisspray666]

@@conorl8557 lol are you joking? trolling? that's just simply false.

[@conorl8557]

@@chrisspray666 I beg you to look it up there is so much historical evidence of thsi would you like me to liek some KZbin videos with this? I am willing to look at your doubts of Christianity but you can't just refute it without considering the facts first

[@TaylorEdmond]

This sounds a lot like word salad manipulation to me… when someone answers a question with a question instead of answering directly, in order to have that particular person come to their intended conclusion it’s a form of strategic gaslighting, avoidance, and emotional manipulation.

[@CDGMR1]

We all must be ready and equipped to defend what we believe. That’s in the Bible. If other’s can explain and defend what they believe, we should also. 🤷‍♀️

[@Thruevangelisteyes]

Well said. Now let’s go tell someone else about Jesus. 🙏🏼🎶 You in ?

[@thelma4697]

Just tell them the truth. The truth always hurt and offend otherwise you know who you will answer to.

[@Joe-nj2ui]

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

[@BlacksmithTWD]

I'd be more carefull when using the word 'always' in this context.

[@saxmanjpr5092]

No. That is borderline legalism and legalism is very unloving,. controlling, and is saying "You offend me."

[@timwatts9371]

Would that question really stop most Christians in their tracks? A great many Christians seem to take a huge amount of pleasure in imagining that anyone who disagrees with their opinions will be tortured in Hell for ever

[@kevwmobile3238]

Not everyone that claims to be a Christian is a Christian.

[@canadiankewldude]

I feel a deep loss at every person who who rejects the offer of the Lord. The thought that their soul will end up in Hell if they never accept Jesus hurts me. I pray for them. Then all of humanity that the Lord will open their eyes, before it's to late. Many Christians feel as I do, it's Biblical.

[@timwatts9371]

@@canadiankewldude I don’t really believe you. I think that kind of pontificating is something Christians do to inflate their sense of moral superiority. You just want other people to agree with your opinions.

[@timwatts9371]

@@kevwmobile3238 That may be true. There are undoubtedly cynical politicians who wave the Bible and profess Christian beliefs

[@canadiankewldude]

@@timwatts9371 Are you calling me a wilful liar? Please do not try putting thoughts either in my mouth or mind. Believe what you will as I will do in what I consider Biblical for me.

[@crutchead]

Love it. Thanks for sharing

[@gilwg1233]

People do bad things to other people all the time. However, you need to define how bad these bad things are. If someone causes sufficient harm to another person or to other people on a regular bases, then that person who causes harm needs to be removed from society. It does not mean that it is OK to mistreat the person who has caused harm. A person who is not a Christian harms no one, not even themselves.

[@Kitiwake]

They harm themselves if they know about Christ and couldn't be bothered to find out about his church.

[@homophilosofikus8215]

@@Kitiwake So you harm yourself if you know about allah but can`t be bothered to find out about the mosque?

[@billymanilli]

@@homophilosofikus8215 I wonder if you'll ever get a reply from Pat? I'm genuinely curious what he (or she) thinks about that statement, as I would've said pretty much the same thing you did. It really bothers me when "evangelists" give answers like that. It's no different (to me) than saying "you just HAVE TO believe!)... Thing is, I grew up to a Christian family, believed in god without question growing up, and took it upon myself to study the bible and theology for many years (make that decades, actually). In fact, I was SO into it, that everyone around me was growing a bit concerned. Anyway, to try and make a LOOOONG story short, I also studied and learned the theories of evolution, geology, etc, because I wanted to start getting those atheists to "understand" why they were "wrong"... ooops, wait a minute. All of those theories actually WORK and make perfect sense (I don't know what it was, but for some reason I was able to actually be intellectually honest with myself), and I began seeing many, MANY holes and flat out contradictions in the bible. So, I suppose what I'm sayin' (to people like Pat) is: "don't tell me I've not been bothered to 'find out', ....because boy o boy did I EVER find out! ...found out religion is BS, that is! ...and I would bet the house you don't know the first thing about how (real) science says we came to be."

[@kateskoolkraftscotten3127]

Everyone does bad things every day. Period. To say that you don’t is a lie.

[@johnfleet1854]

@@Kitiwake but they don't actually KNOW about Christ do they ... that is the point.

[@kelev48]

Isnt the justice system how we deal with guilty people?

[@willstevens4289]

Greg Koukl assumes that the answer to his question, ‘Do you think that people who commit moral crimes ought to be punished?’ is an unconditional ‘Yes’. Of course, it’s much more complicated. Firstly, there’s the question of the seriousness of the crime - not all crimes are equally serious. Secondly, there’s the question of the severity of the punishment - few crimes, if any, deserve eternal torture. So we can still, reasonably, ask: would a just, loving God condemn someone to eternal punishment, simply for a few minor misdemeanours?

[@ianwaltham1854]

I agree with you. These are the aspects of Christianity that I struggle to understand.

[@coreygossman6243]

That requires an understanding of what hell is, and why hell is eternal torture. Mainly, hell is existence away from God, meaning it is without any of the characteristics that God gave this world to help sustain it (Justice, Love, Beauty etc). Read the Bible regarding hell, and read what Jesus says. The chronology for nonbelievers is Death->Undeworld->Resurrection->Lake of Fire. The bible actually suggests that Death and Hell are thrown into the Lake of Fire. Perhaps that is a final destruction. For those who are willing to follow Christ, there is a different chronology. Death-> Heaven with God->Resurrection -> New Heaven and Earth.

[@coreygossman6243]

So to answer the question, a just, loving God gave you free will, revealed himself and his wishes to you through his Son and the Apostles. His love means that if you accept Christ in your heart then he will forgo the Justice that you deserve for rebelling against God. Jesus tells you the standard for sin, harsh as it is: if you have lusted after a woman in your heart, you have committed adultery. If you have been angry with your brother, you have committed murder in your heart. We all fail to meet the standard, but God rewards even our attempts, and God rewards our faith.

[@firstclass000]

More like: would a just, loving God force you to be with him in eternal life even if you don't care or want anything to do with him? We could also ask: If man loves a woman but the woman doesn't like the man... does the man force the woman to be with him? Or does he let her go because he truly loves her? God only interferes in your life if you open your door. He's knocking every day but your stubbornness keeps the door shut.

[@matheusdardenne]

"Not all crimes are equally serious" By breaking the smallest of commandments you are guilty of transgressing against the whole Law. James 2:10 Jesus said that being angry at someone is the same as murder and calling someone a "fool" puts you in danger of hellfire. Matthew 5. Hell is not about punishing the crime, but about people's self-inflicted separation from God, out of hate. God is the source of all light, love, and joy; take that away, and what's left? Being in God's presence will feel to those who hate God like sunlight to a vampire. Still... this is self-inflicted, and "hell is locked from the inside" as C.S.Lewis wrote and I agree. Very few who are in this state will want to leave, however. They will rather be forever in darkness, sorrow, and anguish than repent before God, such is their pride.

[@teresastaalcowley8521]

Your KZbin came up this morning in 2024. After a lengthy discussion, my husband and I had last night about this very topic how I share God's Word as a mixed media calligraphy artist. Also, it is profoundly interesting that I first heard about Deepak Chopra when he opened his practice next door to my late husband's fireplace shop that he moved to La Jolla. They got into many discussions on this topic. I always treasure your discussions when we worked at Hope Chapel in the graphics department.

[@bobbywillmac5275]

But what makes him correct?

[@elijahgreen2479]

“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! _ Matthew 18: 6_7

[@matthew6427]

People are social animals and most of us have a strong sense of empathy. Morality doesn't come from some supernatural being, we deduce what is right and wrong by how we want to be treated. It's not complicated & that's why we learn that before preschool. Just because some people get away with doing wrong things doesn't mean we have to create a universal justice system. If someone does something wrong they're probably going to get caught, if they don't they have to live in constant fear that they will be caught eventually. Why do we need to look further than the obvious? There's no good reason to believe in anything supernatural. I won't waste my life living by a book that says that I'm going to hell for having sex before marriage and wearing different fabrics. That's just silly.

[@noahdupre6878]

Okay so first of all if you want to know what’s sin an what isn’t then read the Bible in context(yes sex before marriage is sinful) and as an atheist that would be bad to truly live out that lifestyle because morality has to come from a creator otherwise everything is subjective meaning everything is meaningless an that’s a really sad way to think…now by looking at historical evidence and the historical proof of the Bible you can be assured that God is real..there can never be a creation without a creator

[@honestyisthebestpolicy1696]

If you don't repent.

[@matthew6427]

@@honestyisthebestpolicy1696 😂

[@elbuchito2907]

You would be a wise man if you did my brother. And yes repent and you shall be saved. Oh and you won't go to hell for having sex before marriage but because of your unbelief in the Son of God.

[@matthew6427]

@@elbuchito2907 Why do you believe in Jesus over Mohammad or Zeus or Zoroaster or any of the thousands of other gods?

[@zarizeni8495]

Q: "Do you think that people who commit moral crimes ought to be punished?" A: "Well, not really. They ought to be forgiven and changed." Q: ?

[@JR05-1]

God's words not ours.

[@jan_777]

Those who seek forgiveness know they are sinners, that's why their sins will "be forgiven" in Jesus and their lives will be "changed" by the Holy Spirit. Paul's letters are full of the new vs old life and admonishes the new believers to stay on track and not throw away their salvation by falling back into their old lives. The Gospel is beautiful to those that accept it. The freedom is amazing.

[@saintsone7877]

They are only forgiven if they repent of their sins and change their lifestyle etc so it conforms with Jesus' teachings and Gods will. A simple sorry etc is NOT enough for them to be forgiven. God and Jesus know what is in your heart. If love is not present or a desire to be a good person living in obeyance of their guidance then they will not forgive you of your sins. Many religions fail to teach this. Many say go to confession say a few hail Marys' etc and your sins are forgiven. NOT so. You must be truly sorry for your sins, commit to doing what is right in the future and demonstrate this in your day to day life to be forgiven. Pretense does not count.

[@zarizeni8495]

@@saintsone7877 If love is present in my heart I do not judge.

[@alfredbenedek3398]

Well my frien? You rehabilitate morally a person, that jumped off a sky scraper, & half alive? I punish some one, who is against people, and send people into war. He - ey? He didn't do anything wro - ong? Nah? But the moral decision was HIS! !!