STRYD Power Meter for Running | Opinions on Foot Pods for Runners and Training? | First Run!

[@trbeyond]

Gotta love the fact that he does a vlog on a piece of tech, completely gets it wrong and still finds a way to make it an interesting video!

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

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[@janadrienlim9318]

I just can’t go a day without watching a Seth James Demoor Video!

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

Thanks for being here Raid!

[@DiogoRibeiroNovaes]

QOD: I'm actually using Stryd right now and it's been a great tool for me, specially when paired with the Suunto 9 watch. The biggest advantage for me is that Power takes elevation change and wind into account and it's way faster to provide feedback than heart rate. With the Suunto 9 watch you actually can get real-time Power measurements and Power zones, which is by far what I use the most. For me it's more consistent than Pace of Heart Rate zones and helps me understand and manage effort. The way I do it is I track with Suunto 9. The Power data goes automatically into the activity and then it gets synced to Strava. On top of that I use the offline sync of the Stryd app to add this data to my account. The other tools I appreciate from Stryd are the Running Stress Balance on the app (which is helpful in managing training load) and the 3-point Runner Profile available on the website (which I feel is a good assessment of my strengths and weaknesses and helps me plan my training accordingly).

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

FASCINATING! Do you have to look at your watch a lot on the runs? That's what I can't stand doing.

[@DiogoRibeiroNovaes]

@@SethJamesDeMoor I have been trying to avoid that as much as possible. I don't look at the Power number too often when I'm running, but the Suunto 9 does support the Power zones out of the box. It gives me an alert (sound and/or vibration) if I'm not in the Power zones I set for the activity. It's specially useful for those easy runs (Z1-2) or the threshold runs (Z3-4).

[@Insect0man]

"Power takes elevation change" No, not really. Stryd does not adjust for changes in altitude like what we experience on Pikes Peak. The relationship between critical power and atmospheric oxygen isn't adjusted for. So guess what happens when Stryd's Marathon Race Calculator says 190 watts - and you try to maintain that at 14000 feet? Kaboom! And I know that because because I a few times while training before [DUH!] figuring out that CP isn't static when altitude / atmospheric O2 changes. Stryd's "development" team KNOWS about that defect. Their "solution" -- "well uhh, we have a spreadsheet you can use to see how altitude affects CP". IE - do the math in your head to recalculate CP and power zones... while running over roots, rocks, and goats. They have a spreadsheet but won't do the work to code a simple lookup table into their "Power Zone" app which you have to download and install onto your watch in order to record Stryd metrics. Major, high $$, fail. But then... when a company "creates" a product based on parts (accelerometers) that can be bought off the shelf and have a team of "experts" without any academic credentials or original research to back up their "expertise" - we get what we got for $200.

[@joecarpinella3635]

I think it is a good pod. You have to add the Stryd app to your watch Seth. Once you do that all the proper data will show where you want it. It’s been helpful for me and I have not dug into all it provides yet. I would recommend it. I am using the Garmin FR 945.

[@cakej1]

Strava plug in "Elevate" will upload data to strava on desktop. Never used the phone to record STRYD data. Garmin takes it all. In STRYD power center you can link polar account, strava, ec. Just ran my most even marathon at Philadelphia using it, 5:58 per mile first half, 6:01 second.

[@fastinradfordable]

cakej1 Nice job. That’s moving. Keep it up!

[@phl0w666]

QD: Been using a Stryd for over a year because GPS is useless in my city, and I like to keep an accurate mileage log. I don't use it to "pace" myself though since I am very well aware of what my pace or HR is without electronic tools. Also, like you, I think it's very free-ing to go out for a run and not care about whether I brought all devices. Kipchoge has been using his 920XT for years, and only recently upgraded to a 935 because it was a gift. He just uses it as a stopwatch on the track. Go figure... Let's not forget that all those gadgets, and consumer centered training metrics were invented for the casual crowd who have no feeling whatsoever of their own bodies. Those newcomers would destroy themselves on each and every run and wonder why they don't make any progress or why they get injured. Electronic tools are a great way for them to contain themselves, and stick to a steady effort, be it HR, pace or Watts. If you've been running for some time though, I'd say at least 5 years without longer breaks, you can leave all those gimmicks at home. by the way: You don't use the Stryd app to record runs if you have a watch paired to your Stryd. You just use the watch, your Vantage V will show a little foot that turns green as soon it finds your Stryd. Hit Start and you're good to go. Heck, you don't even need a watch, just put the Stryd on your shoe, and run. You can then fetch the data through the app. You only need the app recording if you don't have a watch AND want GPS. I'd argue though, that in the sparsely built areas you usually run in, there's no need for a foot pod since GPS+GLONASS seem very accurate, at least that's what I can tell from your tracks on Strava.

[@Insect0man]

"You don't use the Stryd app to record runs if you have a watch paired to your Stryd." If the elves at Stryd's magic underwear/code factory ever manage to get their act together - we shouldn't need a watch. I SHOULD be able to record all metrics directly to my android phone with it giving me audible updates - like it (via Garmin Connect) does for HR. I'm doing most of my training right now on Barr Trail, The Incline, and Pikes Peak. Stryd is essentially useless in that environment because it doesn't adjust Critical Power for altitude and is completely clueless about downhill running stress.

[@paulclark4447]

I've used Stryd for a couple of years, generally happy with it. It's a great tool when running indoors but personally not convinced about the benefits whilst using it outside. On my Garmin 935 at least one running power field needs to be enabled to capture the Stryd data. I'm also a keen cyclist and an avid user of power on the bike, riding to power within a triathlon / time trial is a huge advantage. However the power data is based upon real force through the pedals, cranks, hub etc and not through accelerometers and mathematical calculations. Keep up the great work Seth your daily vlogs are truly amazing and inspirational.

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

My main concern is looking at my watch while running, do you have to do that?

[@paulclark4447]

@@SethJamesDeMoor Only if you want to strictly run to power. Like pace I guess you'd get a feel for power zones with practice....something I didn't really do.

[@jamiedahl2200]

I just use my Garmin, I feel like people can get too hung up on data. As long as I have my pace, distance, and make note of how I feel that's good enough for me.

[@Deadbuck73]

Same here!

[@archiedal]

Yep !

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

Likely in this boat too Jamie.

[@Insect0man]

Yep. I have both Stryd and Garmin. The power metrics are nearly identical and the only place where Stryd provides usefulness that the Garmin Tri HR straps lacks is power on a treadmill. Garmin's foot pod can do that - and for a lot less than an $0.85 hechod en china accelerometer in a plastic, $200, case.

[@mikeLgriebel]

I bought a stryd in December 2019. Back in the days I used to enjoy running as an amateur. Before I could begin to run again, I had to endure some stuff to even get in some kind of shape, but all that aside, here is how I have used stryd. I paced myself to run in what they determine are my zones 1-2-3-4-5. The zones are based on my "Critical Power" which the stryd pod (or system) estimate automatically from my running. I picked one of stryd's training plans for a half marathon, and I completed a timed HM (solo, due to COVID-19) this past weekend. Their HM plan specifies a lot of zone 1 running which felt painfully slow in the beginning, but I gather from other sources that about 80% running in zone 1 is recommended. The plan also specified a v-e-r-y gradual, almost imperceptible rise in effort each week, plus rest days. And I didn't even know rest days were a thing. I varied the terrain, just keeping within the specified power range according to plan. It never felt over my limit after a run, not even once. The day's distances were picked from the HM plan. Finally I ran the HM, pacing myself with the stryd pod in a hilly terrain, by choice, and I completed it, feeling rather 'Kipchoge' (by which I mean I could have continued). I am recovering this week, but I feel great, not beaten up at all. I did have to postpone my HM attempt about a month due to an injury just before the scheduled date. That's a detail. I am stoked that I actually did this, and I am off to set new goals. (This is a great channel, keep up the good work.)

[@mikeLgriebel]

Between runs I use the interface to analyze my runs, compare them, look at leg spring stiffness, ground time, vertical oscillation, and other goodies, all in order to improve future runs.

[@mattworthington7671]

QOD - Used to use the Garmin footpod, and got my Stryd this week. 4 runs in so far, and seems to be going well so far.

[@RunningOtaku]

Once you connect the Stryd to your watch, you don’t need to run with your phone. When you complete your run, the data will sync from your watch (or even the foot pod if you ran without a watch) to the Stryd app on your phone. It can then relay the data to Strava. 😀 Also, is your weight set up correctly on the Stryd app?

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

Thanks for the tips Ian. Will keep trying.

[@kevburmaster7161]

Hey Ian, how long does it take for the critical power to be accurate for your running with various workouts and runs? Lol, my critical power jumped from like 245W (only 3 easy runs) to 317W after CIM. Thanks in advance buddy.

[@RunningOtaku]

@@kevburmaster7161 I'm not sure there's an exact answer, but I'd say that if you have 2-3 weeks of varied runs, it should hone in pretty closely. There's a formulat that says your marathon power is 89.9% of CP, so you if you take your marathon average power and divide by .899 that should be a good estimate.

[@kevburmaster7161]

That's really useful information, thank you Ian

[@Insect0man]

OTOH - we shouldn't need a watch if we had an app on a phone that could collect all the data we wanted from bluetooth sensors and give us audible feedback. :D

[@craigmauldin5084]

With a chest strap you pair with the watch. I would think you would pair the foot pod with your watch. Then the data should show up in Polar Flow and you would not need the phone.

[@tombeasor741]

I'm a little disappointed that you did a review...even a first impressions review...without doing your homework on setting up Stryd and then analysing the data. It's a good product that deserves a bit more investment of time and understanding.

[@adrimansvelder7875]

Hi, he request input and going through the comments and have not seen much except I am using Garmin, etc. My understanding is that you don't need a pod with Polar V, it is the first that does record everything, but power is new for runners and we will get used to it soon. I consider buying a Polar V to learn more about it.

[@kevin-druismerenda9423]

Seth needs to input his height, weight and age in the Stryd app properly. His pace was probably off because his height wasn’t in, so stryd can’t properly assess the stride length. Stryd was shown to be more accurate than any GPS watch!

[@doom4067]

I did my homework and set up my stryd, and it won't record any of my data. I

[@fastinradfordable]

Tom Beasor Technology isn’t easy for everyone.

[@josephctann]

Seth, you don’t need to use your phone to record the run. Just use the Stryd foot pod and you connected Polar watch. I don’t think the Stryd data will appear in Strava. I haven’t figured out a way to do it, but I’ve never tried. I’ll see if I can find a way before my run tomorrow.

[@itsfreakme]

QD: I use stryd for threshold uphill runs. And it works perfect.! I think in the mountains it will working very well for pacing. But on the flat course, you don’t really need it.

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

Do you have to look at your watch during the workouts?

[@itsfreakme]

Seth James DeMoor Yes. maybe it gives a other option, but i don’t know them..

[@Insect0man]

Nope. It would be relatively useless for pacing in the mountains because CP varies with altitude and Stryd doesn't take that into consideration in it's "race target" or power zones. Those calcs are up to the user to make using a spreadsheet the elves at Stryd claim to have. And that seems a little silly since the relationship between Atmospheric Pressure and 02 is well documented... and we're all running around with super computer on our wrists... that could've landed the Eagle on the moon. It also seems like false advertising given their sales pitch: "What Stryd Is All About: Setting The Fastest Known Time Up Mt Antero (14,276 feet)"

[@twowheelslater7112]

to me the big advantage of the stryd is that it measures power. In cycling most folks monitor heart rate but train with power. Your heartrate can vary from training session to training session but your power remains fairly constant. Other than that my wahoo tickr x does everything the stryd does and more for less. The only other thing the stryd does that I care about is zwift running. Again the tickr x does that too tho.

[@MrJaydalufa]

FYI, you’re killing enzymes when you put honey and super hot water together… I always let my tea cool before I add honey to try to maintain as much benefit as possible. Love what you do. Thanks SJD.

[@archiedal]

Exactly

[@praisethesun9005]

Cause those enzymes survive the stomach acid? Lol let me guess you think microwave ovens kill food. ^

[@ejquezad]

I use stryd, I can see you didn’t download and install the stryd data field into your polar watch. If you don’t do that, your watch is not using the stryd at all.

[@rcadelina]

ejquezad he didn’t take the time to read anything 😂

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

@@rcadelina time does not exist in my life : )

[@rcadelina]

Seth James DeMoor love your videos

[@Themata]

@@SethJamesDeMoor sounds like ej knows what's up

[@LukahMcchickenburger]

@@SethJamesDeMoor as soon as you said it was easy to set up i thought something was up haha.. i just set mine up this week and it was fairly simple but took a little bit of time to read through everything and understand. this foot pod is different and far more advanced than others on the market. stryd is all about measuring your power out put, not just cadence.. although im sure thats in the calculation.. you have to keep using it for all different types of training sessions so it can get a good read on your ability.. then from there it will tell you the power it wants you to run at for you to reach your goals and get better every run. dont give up on it yet, i really feel that stryd are onto something..

[@jaisonwilliams3285]

I run with a Garmin foot pod and have for ~8 years. I think it helps with giving me more accurate run cadence and stride data. And it really helps for tracking treadmill runs and races that go through tunnels so I still get data when there’s no gps

[@stu517]

I just ran a hilly half with the stryd. I find cadence and power decent but pace is terrible. Use irunsmooth app and dial in pace and distance with factor adjustment. Once that is done it's pretty spot on

[@oneeyejohn69]

QOD - On my third iteration of Stryd, started with the chest strap one... on to a second foot pod, but still not the most recent one with the wind sensor. I mated my to my Garmin Fenix 3 - and use the app for almost every run. I use Strava, Stryd, Training Peaks and Garmin Connect to look at my data and for analysis. Some of the software is better at certain metrics that other. Stryd for power and leg turn over metrics is the best, with Garmin Connect the second best... Leg Spring Stiffness is the carbon plate measure of your legs without using the saw to cut the vapor flys apart. Using your variability index of power is a great way to maximize your pacing. There is a Garmin App for power racing, I presume there is Polar or Sunto version too... this really allows you to manage your effort. I suspect if you had used Stryd power pacing you would have hit your Olympic Trials time at the Amsterdam race. Training Peaks has great blogs on the science of power and the metrics.

[@Insect0man]

"I suspect if you had used Stryd power pacing you would have hit your Olympic Trials time at the Amsterdam race." True. Power is great for pacing on ROAD races. If he'd try to use it on Pikes Peak, however, he might've jumped off the chasm at 14000 feet in frustration before figuring out that Stryd's Race Target Wattage, derived from CP - doesn't take into account the fact that CP changes with altitude. Just a little "oops" from the elves in the Stryd magic underwear tailoring shoppe!

[@C4RIM4N]

I use the Garmin Dynamic Pod to measure power, i never relie to much on the data but i think it doesn't is too much accurate. I also use the garmin external heart rate wich also measures power, for interval runs and long runs, and the results are little different from the Dynamic Pod.

[@Insect0man]

Yep. I have both strap and Stryd. Not seeing a $200 difference. The only advantage Stryd has is it works on a treadmill. But Garmin's pod only costs $50 on Amazon today so... Wouldn't buy Stryd today.

[@markalison2073]

Seth just get yourself a Garmin watch and you’ll never look back. You’ll have cadence, stride length, vertical oscillation, vertical ratio, ground time contact balance, ground contact time, distance pace etc etc and you don’t need no silly foot pod. Just the Garmin watch and the chest heart rate monitor.

[@baileymcquary2477]

The distances and paces for stryd are SPOT on, gps is always going to over estimate a little bit due to the margin of error in your location at any given time. If each data point gps records is a little bit off, that extra distance adds up. If you look at other runners' races on strava, they're almost always over the actual distance. I ran a 10 mi race on thanksgiving day and the stryd was nearly exact at 9.95, and I think it was only off that much because I clipped a corner that wasn't marked very well. I agree that you shouldn't watch your power or anything during your run and just go by feel - the strong point in the stryd I feel is the data and tracking it provides over time. Sometimes it can be hard to know if you're actually improving or not, but looking at the raw data on a graph with a trend line makes it clear. Also if you have any questions hit up their customer support - they are top notch and super helpful. Their knowledge base on the site is also pretty good - so check that out too. Leg spring stiffness is the elastic force your leg exerts on each stride (like a spring). The number is highly individual, so comparing it to other people's is sorta useless, but it is good for tracking your changes over time. The springier your leg is, the more energy it's returning and the more efficient of a runner you are. Same with ground contact time, they're measures of your form and efficiency. Form Power kinda wraps up everything into one number, you want this low as possible - it's the amount of power your form itself is using up (not going towards propelling you forward).

[@Insect0man]

Stryd's biggest attraction to me, and it's biggest fail, was the promise of training plans built on RSS. But Stryd doesn't adjust CP for altitude. So, in operating environments like Pikes Peak, with 18000 feet of total elevation change... RSS, and any other metric derived from CP will be relatively useless - and a training plan built from RSS won't build in the proper periodization for work and recovery. Even if Stryd incorporated Altitude (which is well documented in relation to 02 and thus CP) Stryd is essentially clueless about the stress produced on tech descents.

[@GuidoMotti]

I use stryde regurarly. Its fantastic and precise even indoor. Go Seth go!

[@TylerStruyk]

I do not have only but will be picking one up for Christmas. I plan on using it for indoor training, maybe hills/interval training on rolling terrain. I also plan to use it for city races as the tall building completely screw with your gps pacing. It might be useful for Houston marathon Also it could be useful to compare 2 different tempos from different days if you do not run the same route. Say one is rolling hills and the other one is uphill, I feel stryd will be a better predictor if you are improving or not

[@Insect0man]

Power is a better predictor. Whether that comes from Polar V1/2, Garmin Tri Chest Strap or Foot Pod, or Stryd... doesn't matter.

[@TimGrose]

QD: yes I do have one and can be useful say on tempos on rolling terrain not to overdo the uphills. You obviously need to get it setup properly so can see the power on your watch and I prefer one of the longer averaged power values than current power which is a bit jumpy. Whether very experienced runners like yourself instinctively know how to tackle hills is a moot point. Obviously most runners aren’t so experienced.

[@katis999]

You have to use a watch which is compatible with the Stryd, there are lists on the internet for that. I use a garmin vivoactive and you have to choose whether the pace data comes from GPS or from the stryd. I use the stryd for intervall training and it is absolutely stunning once you have calibrated it correctly since it obviously gives you a much more accurate pace than GPS on the track (Because there are some many curves which makes GPS inaccurate).

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

THANK YOU!!!! Helps so much

[@franciscoames]

QOD: I’ve been using Stryd for 4 months and I’ve improved my pace more than when relying on HR. For treadmill running it’s essential, my watch was useless for distance and pace on treadmills.

[@cebukid70]

I love it on the treadmill so far. My power numbers from outdoors pretty much match my treadmill pace. I ignore the treadmill display now and just use it as a speed controller and completely trust data from the Stryd

[@Insect0man]

Garmin foot pod: $50.00 Stryd: $200.00 If it wasn't for the false and misleading advertising: blog.stryd.com/2018/12/19/what-stryd-is-all-about-setting-the-fastest-known-time-up-mt-antero-14-276-feet/ **Altitude CP Adjustment Spreadsheet not included. The math is clear.

[@keeferification]

I use Stryd, but I can't speak to it interfacing with Polar. I also do not use Strava, I have a Garmin watch. The way it works with Garmin -- there is a data field for Stryd Power (and zones) that you can use on your regular running watch face / data fields. Once you're done your run, the Stryd metrics shows up on Garmin Connect IQ with the rest of the data. I would imagine the power data would migrate over to Strava...I found the foot pod useful. I actually use it for pace and distance instead of GPS. It also auto updates your critical power, and gives you other good metrics like form power (which is good to look at to see if you're getting fatigued over time). It also takes into account wind in the power calculations (so you know if a headwind is causing you to run harder for instance). I know it's a lot, but once you get it set up I think it's worth having. I won't run without Stryd to be honest. I have a race today and am hoping I run hard enough to get a critical power update... it's one of the best feelings when your critical power updates. Okay, back to the peanut gallery with me.... good luck with it.

[@topoisomerace]

From my experience, it doesn't migrate to Strava. It does appear in Garmin Connect, though. The best way to see the stats is in the Stryd PowerCenter itself.

[@keeferification]

@@topoisomerace That is true. I use Connect IQ and PowerCenter concurrently to look at my stats post run.

[@hebrews11vs5]

I think it's cool you tried the running power meter out. I know little if anything about running with power but I struggle to live without it on my bike. So here is the use in terms of pacing: if you went all out an avg 300 watts for an hour last week and are doing an hour run today and 15 minutes in your avg is 500 watts.... Well that is telling you something about your pacing. So it can be a useful instrument that tries to tell you something which you can then decide to think scientifically about (I can't possibly maintain 2x the watts I did last week) or blast through with willpower on feel and will - ahh, perhaps you will set a new power pb and end up pacing it correct. Fortunately for runners we have cutting edge technology called "clocks' and if you run too fast for your first kilometer then you can make basically the same decision you would with your power meter and back it off for your next few kilometers. If power turns out to be better than a clock, you and all runners may stop looking at the clock and start looking more at kj/hr, to determine effort even to determine if we should ignore how 'good' we are feeling, because the evidence (past performance) says we will crash soon. I look forward to when I get power for my running. I'm a bit puzzled on how it works though.

[@ronyrunner]

Maybe someone mentioned it already, I’m watching the Vlog at 11:45am PST, but you might want to try “Elevate” plug in for Strava, it gives you a lot of data more than what you find in Strava and you can add your Stryd there. Give it a go and let me know. Happy Running!

[@MatthewResendiz]

Great pick up Seth! I’ve been using Stryd since August and although I didn’t start using it til more than halfway through my marathon training block it helped me lots on race day! I think that being able to race based on effort is huge! Once you start gathering data with each run after a dozen runs you’ll love seeing all the data, especially cadence which is what I’m also trying to work on now myself! Enjoy!

[@msganga1974]

I totally agree with you...I purchased a Stryd because I was curious...well...I do not really understand what is the real benefit ...Let's be honest, a Polar, a Garmin, a Suunto, are amazing devices because can help a runner to understand what was done or, in case of an interval training, set a target... A Stryd is a bit too much and you end up being continuously worry about the charge, the connection...and so on... My Uncle was a great runner and used to tell me that what he loved about running was the feeling of being free to do it with a limited amount of things...We need to be careful because we risk to lose this aspect and become addicted to record even little things that, at the end, are not even so important. :)

[@frre9302]

Controlling my training with Stryd lead to massive improvement! It shows you the output (power) of your system (body). On raceday the output is what matters! So controlling the training via the output seems to be the best idea. And just ask any somehow pro cyclist, they would not go without power. Just my feeling, referring in my personal gains since using Stryd! It's awesome!

[@fastinradfordable]

Fr Re some of the best bicyclists and runners of all time did not use electronics. It may help you. But it is not needed. And if someone’s going to beat you then knowing the numbers will likely not make a difference.

[@frre9302]

@@fastinradfordable It's true what you say, no argument against it. That's why I have written that it is 'just my feeling'. ;) It's not meant as an offense for anyone. Different people will need different approaches.

[@TimGrose]

Can’t really see the details - perhaps you can post various links but the Stryd averages could be lower as they may include a bit before and after the run when you were not moving.

[@curtdalgleish2903]

QD: I'm a poor man's DC Rainmaker ... I AM into gadgets, physiological metrics and analysis wherever I can fine them. I've run with Stryd every day for the past year. I added Stryd data fields to my Garmin 935 so I never need to carry my phone on runs. The data goes from the pod to the watch to Garmin Connect (and Stryd app -> PowerCenter) then to Strava. A Stryd rep closely monitors their Facebook group and quickly responds to any questions. I originally bought the Stryd for doing virtual Zwift runs and races on the treadmill when I can't run outside. Once you add Stryd power data field to your watch (for your different activities), you can monitor real time power. The idea is to keep power consistent. Stryd will tell you consistent power is more important than consistent pace. But I've found consistent power seems way too slow up hill and way too fast down hill. Stryd does not recognize treadmill inclines. If your into running metrics the Stryd PowerCenter website is a gold mine. The 'Runner Profile' is a three way comparison of your metabolic fitness, muscle endurance and muscle power. I've found my muscle power is where I need most improvement. It shows trends for all three metrics. There's a training power heat map. A training power zone analysis showing I need more training polarity (easy runs easier and hard runs harder). You can do a critical power test to define your power zones. I could go on and on ...

[@chrisstaley5660]

Garmin! syncs flawlessly with Strava. you'll never go back!

[@jtkleinosu]

Before you purchase a stryd foot pod, know this … My stryd is less than two years old and won’t hold a charge. When I contacted stryd to get the battery replaced, I was told they couldn’t do that and that I would have to buy a new foot pod. However, they were “generously” going to give me a 35% discount on a new foot pod. I asked them “Why in the hell would I buy a new one when you guys wouldn’t even stand behind my current one?” I’m not saying everyone will experience the same battery issue I am experiencing, but you need to be aware that they do not have a good system in place to address that situation when it does occur. It’s just incredible to me that they can’t swap out a battery and charge me some fee for that instead of requiring me to buy a whole new unit. Incredibly disappointed in their customer support.

[@benjith82]

I use the stryd as well and can't run without it anymore. It is so quick and gives exact numbers when set up correctly (I use Garmin watches). I hate using GPS especially when doing different speeds in a workout. Stryd responds within seconds. I have only used it for the classic data for example min/km and not the power data. I don't want to overwhelm myself with that yet as I rather want to enjoy the run as to looking to the watch all the the time to see if I am still in a power window.

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

Great insight Benji!! Thank you this helps me.

[@benjith82]

Seth, by the way, the first sentence of course should mean that can't run WITHOUT it anymore 😄

[@kevinscott4938]

QD: Best I do is my Garmin 735 and the HRM-Run Hear rate strap that also has some funky stuff in it. Been tempted by the stryd footpod for more accuracy on the treadmill. EDIT: 51k subscribers....I thought you were just celebrating 50k :S Soon to be the Top running channel on KZbin I feel......

[@cebukid70]

The power numbers don't lie. My outside power numbers pretty much match those on the treadmill. I also use Stryd to track pace and distance. That said, I have complete trust in the Stryd and use Stryd data for the treadmill run and pretty much ignore the treadmill display at the end

[@fastinradfordable]

Why do you need additional measurements on a treadmill is beyond me. The answer is that is is not a need.

[@kenk2019]

@@fastinradfordable Not a need unless you want accuracy. Treadmills are horrible at accuracy. Lots of videos to check your treadmill accuracy and adjust it. With Stryd no need to worry about accuracy.....and it doesn't matter what treadmill you run on.

[@t3hhollywood]

during a flat run at an elevation you're used to, pace IS power. there isn't any reason to know your "power" in this situation. Where running power really comes in handy is trail running. A 6 minute pace on a flat road is obviously very different than running up pikes peak. So if you know your threshold power you can translate that to ascending (and descending but that's not quite as power dependent). As for the difference in pace between your watch and stryd, there are only two options. 1. your watch and stryd measured different total distances or 2. they measured different total run times. If you know your route was 20 miles then its just a matter of distance/time.

[@torstenwambold9259]

Use Stryd since it first came out because I used power on bike for years. mainly still use a food pod for Pacing & cadence. Since I collected data I feel confident I could use the Power Info for pacing as well especially if I run on trails. In the beginning just collect data and after a while you figure out what the power vs. Pace means.

[@Insect0man]

"I could use the Power Info for pacing as well especially if I run on trails." Our experience using power in bicycling domain isn't directly transferable to running, especially on trails - at least not as easily as Stryd and its "experts" imply, There are several significant factors Stryd omits: 1. It doesn't dynamically adjust for altitude in the calculation of CP. 2. It doesn't recognize the stress absorbed by a runner on downhill ascents. 3. It doesn't deal with technical terrain well on either ascents or descents. In operating environments like that of the Pikes Peak Marathon, a training plan developed using RSS based on a static CP won't correctly periodize effort and rest cycles. Also Stryd's "Race Power Calculator" is essentially useless there. The Stryd team's "tech support" solution... "we've got a spreadsheet". That's a tech fail.

[@urban2153]

I had bought the Stryd but returned it after a few uses. I only require a footpod to run in Zwift and the Stryd wasn't great for the treadmill. The Styrd is probably the best footpod outside but my gps watch returns more than enough metrics. I'm excited for the new NPE product Runn for the treadmill and Zwift.

[@Nonixification]

You dont need the phone, pair with the watch and connect account with strava and polar. (important to give your weight and height for accurate wind power data/power data) Your power data seems way off, I am much slower runner and got more power, so you should really set up your profile correctly. Also check your run on the www.stryd.com/powercenter much better than the phone app. QOD: Got Stryd and love it! Nothing similar on the market, I wish Strava would use the power data. Garmin IQ got datascreen on my watch. (vivoactive 3 music)

[@jonh1958]

QD I have the Garmin footpod paired with a Forerunner 235. Basically I use it to measure my indoor runs where the GPS is redundant. Everything syncs up to Strava and the Garmin Connect app. Not sure if the footpod does anything in addition to this but for me this is probably the most useful feature.

[@ericpetersen8645]

So, dumb question...why is a power measurement good for runners? Do we use it like HR to facilitate discipline (like for MAF test)?

[@Tom_A.K.]

One-hundred-and-twenty-FIRST! I can't go a day without watching SJD! . . .

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

Thanks for being here Tom

[@rowes-enterprises9593]

I can't get my head past filling up the kettle through the spout

[@glenngundermann2433]

Thank you for this. I've been wondering about Stryd for some time.

[@ejquezad]

Glenn Gundermann not the right guy to hear about Stryd, he didn’t even use it right.

[@mreuphonium]

yes, stryd. Works very well on hilly courses, but not accurate measurements with my pod.

[@PedroGarcia-qu2hd]

I use the one that is already embedded in the UA HOVR line. It links automatically to map my run or strava

[@ryanricher4547]

Seth, no need to use the phone when its paired with your watch! Make sure your watch has the stryd power/zones enabled and you should be good to go! It'll automatically upload to the app and website when you upload from your watch. I suggest looking at the stryd power center website, it makes the features much easier to use understand, and take advantage of!

[@ryanricher4547]

Also, the issue with elevation gain, dist., and pace on the stryd app is due to your phone gps not the stryd itself. I had the same issue using stryd on my phone vs on my watch.

[@myPPPLab]

have Stryd and Run Scribe - RUnScribe better data but takes longer to download. different running watts values

[@brigiddemoor4206]

Love that tea station! :)

[@josephctann]

Brigid DeMoor Brigid is a nice pseudonym. Very incognito, but we all know your real name is True Love. 🤣

[@WinningInters]

Putting water in through the spout is a massive no 🙂

[@DarrenThomas1]

I used a Stryd and ended up selling it. Found it fiddly to use with trying to analyse data and work out the best critical power for different distances. It’s better now with CP being calculated automatically but before that it meant me having to keep running tests or using race results to get estimates. Also I found it a little annoying changing the sensor between shoes. I’m not sure it helped me massively, there were time’s I might have let off on effort a bit and looked down at my Stryd to see I could still push on. But on the other hand, I didn’t get the improvements I expected either. I don’t miss it since selling it if I’m honest.

[@Insect0man]

Both of mine are going up on Ebay soon I think. They just don't provide $400 worth of benefit on technical trails, or even paved roads, with significant altitude changes.

[@abbieburke2945]

Let’s go I’m only up because my friend is running a 10k and I’m like her motivational coach 😂

[@AmbaSnakeman]

Cant a watch just track cadence from arm swing?

[@nickj6005]

The true value of any type of running data ( specially power ) is in the fact that you have it for reference . You can 'run free' and ignore all the data while running , but learn from it and act on it in the future . Stryd power is better quality data because it's derived from reliable pace/speed data , not gps .

[@Insect0man]

How reliable is Stryd's RSS for periodizing training plans in operating environments that have significant altitude and terrain variations? It's not any more reliable than Garmin's chest sensor based Power metrics. But at least Garmin isn't pretending to develop RSS based training plans with sales pitches like: "What Stryd Is All About: Setting The Fastest Known Time Up Mt Antero (14,276 feet)" ... and then telling folks, well, we actually don't calculate the CP dynamically to do that in our firmware or software - but here's a spreadsheet... go memorize it.

[@lmchung]

I've had the Stryd for about a week; 3 runs so far. No idea if it will be useful. Only time will tell. It was fairly easy to setup with my Forerunner 245 with data going from Connect to Stryd and Strava. I have not used the mobile app to track runs as yet. Swapping between shoes is dead easy.

[@lisandrograssini817]

Foot pods are good for those runs and activities indoor where GPS is not possible or not accurate.

[@Flipperwi715]

Just got a STRYD a week ago. Being in WI I have treadmill days and road days. Wanted a consistent tool regardless of what I'm running on (gym dreadmills are just inaccurate overly much). Tons of data is available on STRYD. So far, I'm only interested in distance and cadence. Power and other info they have is interesting and great for data heads. Data is going to STRYD power center and you can set that up to automatically update to Strava. P.s. I'm in the Apple watch/world.

[@cebukid70]

I am a Stryder. I love it!! Training with power makes much more sense to me than the HR. Also it's tons more accurate than GPS!

[@PEMF.Hydrogen.LLLT.Experts]

Very nice!

[@MattSwain1]

I’ve got one of the Garmin pods that attaches to the waistband of your shorts. The data from it is interesting but ultimately close to useless. The main thing it tells me is my stride length is way too short which I already know and it’s not that easy to fix. I’m in my 40s and changing how I run is probably at least as hard as learning to write with my other hand would be!

[@Insect0man]

Garmin's Tri chest strap produces metrics, including power, that Stryd isn't a $200 improvement to.

[@SlicedSlappy]

Do you have to take your phone with you for it to measure?!

[@myPPPLab]

Also, once you know your Stryd Critical Power - easy to run by feel then let the power to keep you in check.

[@Insect0man]

Q: How does that CP thing work when running from 7000 to 14000 feet and back down again? A: Stryd: Well, umm, we have a spreadsheet you can use to see how CP changes relative to altitude. You just need to keep that in mind while running.... :/

[@eriktred]

Garmin footpod for about a decade paired with many garmin watches. No issues. Curious to compare data with stryd. Maybe add to my Christmas wishlist 😂.

[@MonteComeau]

Hey @EricTheRed I just bought this to use for treadmill running as my Garmin 645 is useless for TM accuracy. I cannot seem to get this thing calibrated, it is way too slow (like a minute) off what it should be...Any tips to get it calibrated?

[@eriktred]

Monte Comeau hi. If you are talking about the garmin footpod, there is a calibration setting under sensors in your garmin watch. After a few runs on the treadmill I got mine spot on. It does take a little trial and error. Good luck!

[@MonteComeau]

@@eriktred Thanks and Sorry to bother you, but yes I have the Footpod. Can I ask what you set your at? And do you turn auto calibration off? My calibration changes on me!

[@eriktred]

@@MonteComeau I'm happy to help. You can actually disable "auto calibrate" from the garmin watch sensor settings. Mine is at 100.9 but that is going to be dependent on your specific stride. Hope this helps.

[@ratemut]

Unfortunately it is not possible to get power data from Stryd to Strava. I had my Stryd now for 4 months. Very happy with it and now I dont look at pace anymore - just power. It changed the way I pace my self.

[@josephctann]

ratemut See above. It looks like the Elevate plug in on Stryd will link to Strava.

[@ratemut]

@@josephctann - Thanks 👍🏼.

[@benjaminevers6374]

What would you suggest using the New Balance Beacon V2 for?

[@guest00791]

I used the moov footpod for a while. It's mostly for cadence and footstrike training. It only paired with a phone which was annoying. Lost it at the gym.. wasn't worth replacing. 😵

[@JBerger78]

Started of with Garmin pod for treadmill, now run with RunScribe and Wind Stryd. Data is interesting, but not used much.

[@brettjamesdavis]

Stryd + Polar is not the easiest combination. I have a Polar V800. Your watch will show your wattage but the watch doesn't record many of the other data points that Stryd generates. I connected my Polar Flow account to both my Strava and Stryd account but have now decoupled it from Stryd because it wasn't sending through those other data points. So now, I do a sync to my Polar Flow account (which sends it to Strava) and then separately doing sync direct from my Stryd pod to my Stryd account. As for its usefulness, I follow the Stryd group on Facebook and those guys seem convinced it works. I'm still not totally convinced but I'm still going to collect the data and see if I can see any trends and make my mind up later. It is way way more accurate at judging distance than my watch so it is useful if you are running intervals or repeats just for that capability.

[@ChristopherNorth]

LOVE Stryd. I love data and I find Stryd to be very useful. My original goal with it was to move away from GPS but have found Stryd to be a much better tool to pace with. Yes you need to move away from time goals and use power (as in if I run X race at Y power I will finish the race using up all my available energy). As I use it more I find my power is “pacing” faster than what I expected as a time standard. I still look at pace but run based on power. Take a minute and set it up correctly... run with it for a few weeks then give a second review. Wait until after the time trials are done. EDIT to add. Currently I can’t find a way to get Stryd data to show up in Strava. Strava needs to get with the program. Garmin shows it.

[@Insect0man]

Yep. Strava doesn't utilize running power. I don't think that's an omission of can't - but won't. Their model for fitness tracking feels pretty accurate. It uses HR. Maybe that will change if and when the science of tracking stress for running using Power/RSS is more extensively documented by published, original, research by folks with academic credentials... instead of snake oil salesmen trying to recycle research somebody else did in the Bicycling domain.

[@WhiskyMystery]

It has to be said that Amsterdam marathon might have gone better if you had a good power target to follow :-) Only teasing but I really like stryd power for understanding what is an acceptable effort (depending on run goal) whether you are going up hill down hill etc. I imagine your experience of running by feel would actually have fairly constant efforts/power as you moderate the effort up and down hills.

[@jomohund]

Love you, man...but if you’re gonna use this thing, read the manual! Make sure it’s set up correctly. THEN give us another review. I’m glad you got to play with this, but it isn’t something I would probably depend on either. But read that manual, and get it set up correctly. Onward and upward! #BVproud

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

Will try to read it but time is tight...

[@Insect0man]

Does the manual include the little factoid that in order for it to be useful on runs with significant altitude changes - stryd requires the user to magically track in their head how CP changes relative to altitude? Nope -- That spreadsheet isn't in the box. or in the firmware. or in the advertising: blog.stryd.com/2018/12/19/what-stryd-is-all-about-setting-the-fastest-known-time-up-mt-antero-14-276-feet/

[@HowardJungrun]

MILESTONEPOD-cheaper version a few years ago. I like a few features such as FOOT STRIKE%(heel, mid, toe), GROUND CONTACT(time) and RUNFICIENCY(score). However after track total 202 miles it stopped running sync. Good to have if it works but my Garmin FR 235 data is okay for now.

[@Themata]

141 HR? Wow, that's my average HR for watching moofies 😂

[@cervelago]

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[@gianpy22000]

I'm using Runscribe Plus from 1 week. It's amazing

[@ianhobbs6326]

Question everyone, thinking about getting a new watch for just running. Thoughts? For pricing thinking garmin 45 on the low end and coros apex pro / Garmin 945 on the high end

[@kenk2019]

Garmin 245 is a great watch for just running. I use this along with my Stryd. I let the Stryd take over the distance instead of the watches GPS since it is a lot more accurate with distance and time. If you are just running no need to spend the extra money on the Garmin 945 UNLESS you may want to do some biking and/or a triathlon. Garmin 245 is a great watch.

[@lajournsantanadolphin4895]

Hey Seth! Now that you have a new stryd pod you can play this new global running app game called Zwift

[@gsimmonsnyc]

Not sure what went wrong. With any foot pod you need to setup your profile. Garmin was idiot proof for me. I love stryd for accurate pacing and distance. I think power is meh. Got my marathon dead on

[@derekwaterhouse690]

Seth, for detailed support on Stryd and how it works with other gear/systems, go to dcrainmaker.com. I agree with Tom that more testing would be useful before coming to a conclusion. Using power (Stryd) is much more accurate than training by heart rate or "feel" and could be beneficial in keeping you on pace for sub 2:19 in Houston. Great channel btw, me and my wife have been following you for over year! Let us know when you get to Dallas for a group run!

[@Insect0man]

Out of the box, with it's "automatic CP calculation" - Stryd would have been absolutely useless on all the FKTs Seth put on the board last summer.

[@SimonSaysSimon]

So early that KZbin says ,,no views" There we go

[@cervelago]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZyleHSHib-do9U

[@gregoryc29]

How hard will the Stryd be for you to switch between shoes? Looks like that might be a deal killer for you.

[@ratemut]

It takes just a few seconds. I switch between shoes all the time. Easy ;-)

[@adamdodd2655]

Yeah, it's super easy, do it all the time. A matter of 3 or 4 seconds at most.

[@DarrenThomas1]

One of the reasons I sold mine. Found it fiddly and felt like the clip would break before long.

[@gregoryc29]

ratemut Good to hear.

[@nickj6005]

Seth, if you want to view power data in graph form in Strava it is possible , but you have to change the activity type in starva to a 'Ride' :-/.

[@Insect0man]

And bicycle power is significantly different from running power - so DON'T - at least not if you want Strava's fitness tracking to have some thread of connection to Reality Land.

[@TheLifeIsJustALie]

How long have been running?

[@PaulWaye]

I use a Stryd. But use it for the improved speed accuracy on intervals.. I don't look at the power stuff too much

[@cervelago]

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[@marlinweekley51]

185! Wow - nice 👍

[@aitorarotzena2550]

QD: No, I don't have any footpod. However, I really would like to have the Stryd, as I'm a freak and I love all the stuff related to running power and all those running data.

[@SunnyCurwenator]

...my Use Case with Stryd & I've been using for over a year is accurate pace and distance metrics. Having had many issues with GPS inaccuracies well documented on the interwebs (that's a DC rainmaker term...check him out 👍). So, I never use my phone Stryd app, I have paired Stryd with my Garmin and I override the pace, speed and distance to always come from the Stryd sensor. I'm not into training with power, but I am into training by pace and also HR. Stryd gives me real time pacing information during my run on that watch, and my HR comes from a Scosche. Yes I listen to my body and it's useful to be able to rely on pace metrics from the little sensor on my shoe. Definitely do not carry a phone with me from a metrics recording pov. Check your settings on the watch and make sure that the stryd is paired with the watch and that pace, speed and distance are always coming from the Stryd 👍 ps: sub 2:19 👊 you got this...

[@cebukid70]

Unfortunately, Stryd does not talk to Strava. Many of us are disappointed about that

[@macster1000]

Herbinator_88 : you need to connect stryd to your Garmin. If you have Garmin connected to STRAVA then the Garmin Connect Data will be uploaded into STRAVA

[@cebukid70]

@@macster1000 Nope. The power numbers or any other Stryd data does NOT upload to Strava. Yes, of course it's on Garmin Connect, but *not* Strava. Please prove me wrong!

[@josephctann]

Use the Elevate plug in to push data from Stryd to Strava.

[@cebukid70]

@@josephctann thanks!! I just downloaded it to Chrome. Looks great so far.

[@macster1000]

@@cebukid70 No. you are right. Not the power numbers. But if you change the settings in the Garmin watch it will take speed data from the stryd. Supposedly thats more accurate than from GPS

[@kevinplayschess8321]

141 heart rate at 630/mile? How?

[@alexandrostiligadasalex6177]

I don't understand? The runners are not cyclists looking all the time the power meter so they are close to their ftp. Second you can't measure watts in running. You need torque that is Nm. In other words enjoy running and don't become tech freakes like many cyclists.

[@backyard1015]

STRYD is okay to use as a tool. I had a foot pod but it started the second I took a step so it was way off. Only real dynamics needed are Distance and time run. We never used watches in track and cross country in the 80s. Too much technology takes away from the running by feel!

[@Insect0man]

Stryd is useful on the treadmill. On outdoor runs, I don't see any advantage of Stryd over the metrics I get from Garmin Fenix 5 with Tri chest pod. On tech trails like Barr / the Pikes Peak Marathon, Stryd is marginally useless because it doesn't adjust for altitude in its power calculation. It's also completely clueless about the stress of downhill running. Training for Pike's Peak using their "free" RSS Marathon training plan? Pretty much useless or even damaging because the Stress / Rest periodization won't incorporate the actual stress. Road Races? If you have a Garmin or Polar Vantage V1/V2 -- Why complicate with more $$ tech to maintain?

[@Insect0man]

Also, the advertisement Stryd has with Joe Whatzizname setting an FKT up Mt Antero seems a little... lite on substance - given that there's obviously a bit more to the process of creating the "Power based Plan" that got him there. I bought Stryd after seeing that advertisement - without realizing that CP is grossly affected by changes in altitude, and that Stryd doesn't incorporate that fact into its firmware or "race pace" software.

[@antoninrulik6369]

Not 100% sure, but read thaht if u pour honey with boiling water, it will lose some of it's nutrients. So maybe w8 a bit before adding it to the tea. Again, not shure, just heard about it

[@danielmoore9214]

Use the force Seth ........ don't think, feel......

[@SMKHEMI]

Not even sure what would do with the data. The analysis on Strava is already too much to think about. I'm all about having fun feeling free out on the trails.

[@woolfy192]

😎👀

[@ZachtTucker]

O'Malley's Pub, the best!!!!