Waterproofing this Bathroom So It NEVER Sees Water AGAIN

[@StudPack]

Hey gang, totally got it wrong when I was talking about modified vs. unmodified. We probably shot that clip 3 times and I still screwed it up :( Thx to those of you who pointed out my error. Please see: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/faq/shower-system-kerdi-thin-set-mortar-type We used Schluter All Set on this project; a modified thinset approved for use under and over their Kerdi products: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/Setting-Materials/Schluter-ALL-SET%C2%AE/p/SET_ALL-SET

[@sroberds640]

It used to be unmodified then they changed it to modified once the videos started rolling in showing how it was failing. Glad everyone here helped out wit that.

[@cyclopsvision6370]

@@sroberds640 Their original position was to use unmodified thinset, then they said it was OK to use modified thinset, but only their own brand.

[@vicO1323]

@@sroberds640 Exactly. They recommended unmodified at first. I guess somebody got to do a tear out and remodel on those showers I did 15 years ago. It was a steam shower so the entire enclosure including the ceiling was done with kerdi unmodified underneath. It was supposed to last a lifetime. Damn them. The kerdi band is to further insure the seam is covered from leaks. Hope they don't have a problem.

[@jimsavina1941]

I'm a 70yo semi retired carpenter who has seen everything and I do mean everything! But rarely have I seen this level of craftsman ship and attention to detail. Liked and subscribed.

[@StudPack]

Thx Jim 👍much appreciated!!

[@travism9339]

Agreed. It's good to know there are others in the trade that take pride in their work and hold themselves to a high standard. Love this channel.

[@akhosha2]

Cherish this time with your pops. I did the same when I was younger. He's since passed but the lessons I learned on job sites and the time I spent with him I think about almost daily. Also, great content!

[@stevefoltz3838]

Your attention to detail is exactly how I work. This is what separates the good and the great builders.

[@DescartesRenegade]

Love that you guys are a father/son team. My dad used to be in this line of work, but I was too immature to care. Never cared and never bothered to learn. He passed away in 04' and I just recently bought a house that needs a remodel. I plan on doing everything myself...what I wouldn't give for my dad to be next to me for guidance.

[@daltonlopez4623]

Knowledge is power

[@masonbee2]

Not only is the work you're doing great, the editing for these newer videos is becoming topnotch!

[@jodyrolandconstruction6577]

You can never do too much waterproofing in a shower area or a tub with a deck. Great job gang. Also I would tile everything on the surround the same as the floor.

[@StudPack]

Thx!! Always appreciate your comments 👍🎄

[@marjoriejudge5348]

You are the only contractor that explains all the details as to why and how for everything - thank you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@mikecollins4719]

Glad I found this channel, I'm a DIY'er usually working on my own home. Finally a channel that shows the work actually being done, not just a quick description followed by a shot of the finished product. Subscribed and liking it, thank you. Already learning a lot of good techniques.

[@joakimmellqvist8800]

Really like this series with this bathroom! Just found your channel by chance and loving it. Always nice to see a father and son working together and always seeing everything is made as good as it gets. Best Regards from Sweden

[@StudPack]

Thx Joakim!! My wife's great grandfather was from Kalmar. We're trying to get there one day 👍👍

[@duenge]

A good, conscientious contractor! Opening up your work to install the grab bar backing, was not a part of the deal, and you HAD to do it...Good man!

[@lexislandscape8345]

Love this channel! Better every day. I’ve been running a business with my dad for almost 20 years now. So glad I chose the path I’m on. Keep up the great work.

[@WorshipGuitarSound]

You guys are awesome. I’m working with Schluter in their Dallas office right now on their training center. I love seeing their products getting used!

[@RP-mn2vm]

Love this install. I’m a schluter installer and there’s no such thing as overkill when it comes to waterproofing

[@tomjeffries58]

I'm an old retired home repair and renovation guy. I learned from a tile man 45 years ago how to do mud work and that is what I always did. I like this new Kerdi stuff but I'm wondering about expansion and contraction and how the corners fare.

[@chriswatts4145]

Great job guys. Love your enthusiasm and attention to detail.

[@bobpurcell5662]

Another great video guys. And Jordan scored bonus points! Most contractors would say "I forgot the blocking-oh well." The real professional loses sleep until he fixes it-wow!

[@StudPack]

Thx Bob!!

[@mmanut]

Tile failure is from grout failure. Keep tiles tite with small Grout joints. Double check all Grout joints. After Grout dries for several days you must use sealer on all Grout joints. Two Coats. Every 3-4 yrs reseal Grout joints. GREAT JOB GUYS ‼️

[@debbietveit6276]

The detail and thought you give to each aspect of your work gives so much insight to someone learning. Thank you for doing it the best and smartest way and sharing your knowledge

[@lindamarsden455]

I absolutely love your attention to detail and your father son relationship, both are admirable.

[@levelseven9841]

I'm not much on reverse laps with Kerdi. Even though they recommend doing the walls before the floor. I always do the floor first, then Kerdi band, then the walls. So it all overlaps, so it water ever did get behind it, it would overlap like doing a roof. I'm probably just over thinking it, and don't really trust thinset as a water tight seal. Enjoy the channel, from what I've seen you do great work. 👍

[@StudPack]

Thx levelseven! Yeah it goes against my dna too 👍

[@Camar2015]

Hi guys. I've been watching your videos on bathroom renovation and I've learned quite a lot from it. I'm planning on renovating our main bathroom by removing the tub to allow my mother-in-law easy access to take a shower. Also, I'd like to remove the shower insert in our master bath. In doing so, I'd like to tile both bathrooms from; floors and walls. My question is, which direction do you recommend I take? 1) Should I chip out the slop, or 2) Utilize the Schluter slope pan? Obviously one go for the easiest process, but which do you recommend is best? The other thing is, I don't like to have a curb on the entry point on both bathroom. I prefer to install a glass wall/door. Your thoughts? Thanks for your advice in advance.

[@joerogers4227]

Love your attention to detail and that you found fault and redid what was needed. you could be my contractor for a lifetime.

[@tryan7]

Good afternoon. You and your Son work well together. I wish I had that bond with my Dad. That kerdi and detra is great stuff. I'll bet that waterproofing was 600.00 usd or more. I have that in my master bath. Keep up the great work.

[@RealFifty]

As an overdoer overachiever of every construction project ever since I started building and rebuilding investment properties I really get a kick out of watching your videos knowing there's somebody else like me LOL 😂😂 I'm surprised you haven't upgraded to the heavy duty structural pocket screws though I've made that switch and love it

[@StudPack]

Thx!! I haven't heard of structural pocket screws before. I just checked them out - pretty cool 👍👍

[@AdamMayer-uf6nd]

You guys set the standard for everyone else. Great work.

[@Scorpio64215]

You guys are AWESOME and very thorough. Love the attention to detail. That's what makes a great contractor even greater!

[@T.E.P.]

great thinking and super great year for your channel tooo .... eager to see the projects you guys do next year! edit: as I understand it .... UNmodified thinset is what Shluter requires for behind the membrane and for setting tiles on the membrane.

[@markmckinley5989]

Glad your Kerdi install went fine. I had issues over the cement board unless I wet it down first. Would suck all the water out of the thinset and poor adhesion. Was using Mapai unmodied though. The all set seems to be much better and stickier.

[@TheBshackelford1]

I can tell your a great teacher. I would put wood panel on the front of the tub to match the cabinets. Never do floor tile last

[@generalesdeath8180]

I love Schluter products! Their shower system includes everything and I mean everything you could ever need to make a perfect water tight shower

[@markk2862]

I like it when the shower doesn't have the curb and floor is sloped to the shower. I would also tile the side of the tub. Happy Christmas and New Year.

[@papbuca]

14:13 - funny - for years, before they had their own thin set, we were told that you are supposed to use ONLY UNMODIFIED thin set to apply Kerdi. Even then I was using modified - never had an issue with either. Now, this Schluter All Set puts an end to the endless conversations and it is a great cement, I love it for installing the Ditra Heat on plywood - that always made me nervous before. Greetings for Vancouver, Canada !

[@john.french]

Awesome bathroom project and love all of the details. Great video editing and design. Keep up the great work gents!

[@chevelle68man2007]

Hey I just started watching your channel and I really like it. Makes me want to return to construction work after being at a desk job for over a year(YUCK!). My only suggestion is could you put the name of the job in the title of the video that way we can follow each project from start to finish? I know for me KZbin doesn’t always bing the subsequent video up in recommendations. Thank you sir! God Bless your business.

[@emarr3720]

Love this remodel. I’m going to emulate it along with all the pearls is wisdom so I don’t make a costly mistake. Only thing I’d change is the tub. The owners had an opportunity to get a bigger tub, perhaps with jets & they chose to put the old one in. It would have easy to upgrade.

[@Titantitan001]

Buy a roto zipper mate! Also a sidenote, I fully endorse this water proofing system. I work with those guys at the schluter company a lot. Great guys.

[@michiganderintexas]

amen- first contractor i've watched water proof a tub surround.

[@gonzo4996]

Man, I’m SO glad I found your videos!! You inspire me!

[@StudPack]

Thx Jaime 👍

[@joshuaswick7875]

I came across yalls channel the other n love it , what I love even more is that yall are local to me in South Louisiana and that's cool as hell

[@michaelwilliams5673]

Paul, I believe you misspoke on the thinset. Schluter wants an unmodified thinset under the kerdi if unless it's a schluter thinset. Did you consider just using kerdi board? Thats what I did in my 6x6x6 shower directly to studs. Still waiting for access panel.

[@T.E.P.]

was wondering that too .... www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/faq/shower-system-kerdi-thin-set-mortar-type

[@StudPack]

I did Michael and thx for catching that. I pinned a comment to correct my error. We shot that clip 3 times at least... I've never tried Kerdi board but would like to. Access panel still in the design stage 😂

[@StudPack]

@@T.E.P. Yeah I screwed that up. I pinned a comment to correct my error. Thx a million Thor!!

[@packetattack7437]

Very nice job. For additional safety I would have installed two 2x4 supports on the left and right side of the tub surround. People tend to walk or sit on the edges.

[@rtheprizeisright7323]

SO did you do the drywall work behind the on the wall with the window behind the shower?I'm jw as did you use cement board there also it has lime in it so no mold ever. And the electrical switch I don't know where it was but it can't be in reach from the shower when everything is complete. But it looks like you did an amazing job with the kerdi and the cement board i seen here. Great video.

[@markmacmac8957]

Just saw the pocket screw holes on the tub framing ...outstanding! Why no treated in framing Lumber though??

[@StudPack]

The sill is treated. I didn't see the point elsewhere.

[@VisionaryIntelligent]

You guys r awesome at construction. I might get y'all to construct my home when I buy my own land

[@Noez90]

The one dislike was from the previous contractor.

[@StudPack]

😂 always pithy comments Mr. Prez!!

[@ACT0080]

😂

[@Thumpiez]

Stud packing it homie!!!!! I love the craftsmanship!!!

[@markschwager1352]

Straightline Tiling & waterproofing Australia .Would recommend waterproofing a small angle under inside of bath lip perimeter! to stop water tracking under bath lip ! Alluminium or plastic angle 1x1 inch or size to fit ! Then silicone bath to tile perimeter !

[@Purifiedinfire]

I wouldn't mind taking their class. Should I learn to tile first then take it, or would it be possible to learn the principles without knowing yet. buying a house in April.

[@tenthdimension9836]

I use that liqulock in the tank as well. Keeps that last little bit from splashing down and deactivating the gel in the bowl. Expensive though.

[@stevenhines5550]

You guys do nice work. Always excellent attention paid to detail.

[@mattyboysully]

Hey great job I started using the corner knife to put down the membrane in the corner it goes in one two three for me just a little tip

[@StudPack]

Cool thx 👍

[@Lsx70Velle]

These videos are awesome. Really makes me miss working on projects with my dad. Glad you guys are able to do things like this.

[@rebeccaoliver5306]

I think you make this look too easy! Great info and instructions. I will include this on my next project. Thanks.

[@jamessurname2285]

If I was just installing a drop in corner soaking tub that only has barely any frame overhang along the wall and 3” or less tile overhang on the front, is that amount of waterproofing really necessary under the tile surround? How much water could possibly splash out. Faucet is on the front side of the tub so water cant get trapped. Is what you are doing overkill?

[@markfenbers1329]

Why did you use cement board for the shower walls? I used just regular drywall on mine and then used the Kerdi over that. This was 7 years ago and I haven’t have a single issue since.

[@mqass7677]

Would i have to do the same water proofing method using schluter or aqua defense on the floor after installing cement boards on my subfloor or can i get away with covering my seams and joints with mesh and thin set on my cement boards and be done with it?

[@lanaridley1135]

I get a lot of tips from these videos. You guys actually made it look easy!!!

[@Casey2]

Have you considered using the ZIP system for bathroom construction? Sub floors, Shower walls, tub decks like this one? I appreciate the extra effort on the slope plywood, you can also use A piece of cedar siding if you can find it at your local supplier, good for windows too

[@StudPack]

Zip sheathing by Huber? Never seen it used in bathrooms. That could work 👍 Thought of a piece of siding but by the time I run all over town looking for some...

[@matthewson1000]

Wow! This guy Paul is a MASTER, really great content guys!

[@davidhunt5913]

Do you prefer wonder board over a foam backer board like Go-Board?

[@jsimes1]

I realize this is an older video but I just found your channel and I'm bing watching all your videos! What a team you are. You both do amazing work!! I have a Kerdi question! I was just about to pull the plug on a whole Kerdi system for my tub to shower conversion and I was looking at the Kerdi board. Do you see any major benefits to using cement board and the Kerdi membrane versus using the Kerdi board? I'm only doing 3x6 subway tiles on the shower walls so I am not supporting thick heavy tiles. I just think the Kerdi board will be easier for a DIY tile setter (me)😁hauling the boards up the tight staircase as well as the ease of cutting. I also think using the Kerdi bands to tape the seams and the screws will be easier than trying to mud the whole wall applying a membrane. Anyway thanks so much for a great channel and such informative content!

[@luv14lyf]

I'm retiling bathroom that has a tub. Do I need to waterproof the floor? If so, do I waterproof the subfloor or hardibacker underlayment? Thx!

[@mitchellkasdin1899]

Fein makes a blade for the multimaster for cementious material? Might be faster then the jab saw? Nice work as usual!

[@johnjones4825]

A question. That cement (you call it thinset...) you use, is it by nature waterproof? I always use a 50% mixture of water and 29Y40 (liquid latex, I only know it by that name, possibly in the states it's called something else. Google will tell you more) as my liquid component instead of just water, where waterproofing is needed. There ain't no water getting past that stuff. Whatever substrate the cement is going on to, I slush with pure 29Y40, makes it almost impossible to remove the cement when its dry, and give a good bit of flexibility to help prevent cracking.

[@pr7562]

Remodeling contractor for 44 years in NorCal. Just want to say that you put together some nice videos, that do an excellent job of explaining the job without talking down to your audience. Well done! ( Btw, I vote for tile on the front of the surround. Introducing wood, no matter how well sealed and adhered, is in my experience asking for trouble down the road. )

[@StudPack]

Thx P R!! Lived in Ventura for a while. Made it up north a few times. Love it up there and the central coast 👍👍

[@Re5ist_ance]

Love the video - quick editing comment - the music is a lot louder (in volume) compared to your voices. So I keep having to lower the volume whenever you are playing music and increase it back whenever you are talking. Might just be me, but thought I'd mention it. Keep up the awesome work gang - cheers.

[@StudPack]

Thanks for letting me know Traveler! I have to manually edit the musics decibel levels so this will help me in the future, noted! - Jordan

[@rty1955]

As an emmy award editor I agree with you. People tend to forget that audio is the second part of a video piece. They ignore any standards that are set

[@LuisSanchez-wf9zw]

Did you add any insulation and vapor plastic in the cavity behind that wonder board in the wall? Why or why not? Thanks!

[@StudPack]

Insulation yes. Vapor plastic no. The Schluter Kerdi is the vapor barrier. Thx Luis 👊👍

[@nunyabisnis1448]

I always put my floor tile in first grout it then mask it off with card board and red rosin paper untill I get the walls tiled and grouted I would think you would want to leave the bottom 6 to 8 inches of your kurdi membrane with no thin set so as to tie your floor into it .over top your pre sloped membrane but I like to float my floor and I'm a big fan of red guard 👍🏻looks good thought ,nice work ✌🏻🗽🇺🇸

[@tilemonkee5510]

Hey , brother! Thats great work! As a long time pro tile setter, its great to see people that care about their customers. Getting to be a rare thing.lol . You should check out the Wedi system. For less time and effort than it took you to install the cement board, you could have a much better product than the schluter. Plus the wedi doesn't deform your flat walls ,like the schluter does, thereby saving time on the tile install. Keep up the great work, bro!

[@StudPack]

Thx Norm I'll check it out. So many options out there right now 😳

[@SgtZima]

When you say Schluter deforms your flat walls, do you mean where the membrane overlaps and builds out at seams and corners?

[@yyzblader1947]

Actually - unmodified/modified will work on top of wonderboard since so porous but need unmodified on top of Kerdi membrane or Schluter new modified or all-set which also is their designed product which is freeze-thaw resistant in the attic of North America where we have snow shovels and use them often

[@timdouglass4934]

Excellent job and video. The only thing I would of done different is with the tub platform framing. On the back side of your tub opening I would of layout the studs to leave a cavity centered on the tub. I know your mindset because I have it too, you like symmetrical. This will probably be where the tub filler goes. Maybe not, just a thought. I recommend wearing gloves. Thanks for taking time making these video's.

[@StudPack]

Good catch Tim! We're re-using the existing tub and the faucet is mounted to it but that's a great tip for next time 👍

[@quetzal123456789]

Keep it up these videos are very helpful for a lot of us who enjoy working on our home remodels..

[@mfpmf]

did you guys waterproof the inside of the tub's framework as well? I'm asking bc once I had an issue with the connection of tubes and it could've flooded under it to the concrete base

[@matthewrick]

My new favorite home improvement channel on KZbin, hands down. Great production, focused information and enjoyable hosts. I understand that you didn’t want to damage new shower flooring while you prepped the walls for tile. I’ve seen other shower installs where they stress the importance of completing the floor before the walls. What are your thoughts on this? Does the kurdi eliminate that concern?

[@StudPack]

Yes, kerdi doesn't have to lap like roof shingles. I did the floor first once with cardboard protection over the kerdi while I did the walls but the membrane still got abraded a bit and I didn't like that.

[@matthewrick]

Thanks for the reply! I appreciate your time and insight.

[@Tristan.k50]

awesome craftsmanship.. can u tell me where to get a pocket hole jig like the one u have?

[@kensherwin4544]

Kreg jigs of various kinds are available at all the big box stores. Amazon has them too.

[@mikez4132]

Love the channel and work. From someone who does a lot of tile try one of the big egg beater mixers for thinset. Fast easy mixing all the way to the bottom. The spiral paint mixers suck for mud. Merry Christmas all!!

[@StudPack]

I have one Mike but forgot it at home. I've found that when I use it for grout that bits of colored plastic from the sides of the bucket end up in the grout. It would be fine for thinset though.

[@mikez4132]

@@StudPack lol gotcha.

[@ahjuns]

Is there a reason that you put wonderboard behind the Kerdi? Can’t the Kerdi be adhered to drywall? Thanks!

[@StudPack]

I like cement board for strength. Drywall is approved by Schluter but I just can’t 😬

[@boinkmaticgaming5835]

I noticed at 8:06 the backer board was upside down. You mentioned in an earlier video there would be problems if the words were not upright. Maybe it doesn't matter because it isn't going to be in a totally wet area. Just wondering if it being upside down will be an issue around the tub deck in front where it meets the floor?

[@StudPack]

The words being upright was just a joke 😂

[@boinkmaticgaming5835]

@@StudPack Oh hahaha XD Ya got me then LOL

[@joshnolastname407]

As someone who installs grab bars I can really appreciate the 2x8s in the shower 👍

[@trespeland]

Next time you should try some kerdi board. It is super light and installs really fast. You could even use the 2” thick for the tub deck top and skip the plywood all together

[@StudPack]

Thx Tyler. Until recently it’s been kinda hard to get locally. Definitely going to try it. I used it at Schluter class pretty awesome 👍

[@DonaldSmith1]

Great job. Liking his channel more and more. I can not find the Blue float you spoke about in any box or tile store. The Orange store wants me to wait for a week or more and I have a bathroom floor to do next week. Keep up the good work, you guys are great.

[@StudPack]

Thx Donald. I got mine at ProSource (prosourcewholesale.com). Hope that helps and best of luck on your project 👍

[@jpontiac4294]

Perfect as a back up I would of also put a liquid waterproof system over the awsome job you guys did. This is just my personal preference when doing water areas

[@StudPack]

Others have commented on this also. Putting a non-Schluter liquid membrane over the Kerdi would void the Schluter warranty IMO. I'll check with my district rep about it.

[@briankowald6465]

Went back and watched this - good stuff. Can you link me to the next in this series?

[@shawnphillips1220]

Has anyone tried the Guru system? It looks very similar to schulter product but is slightly cheaper. I wonder how it compares and worth trying?

[@suz2u1953]

You guys should be on Magnolia Network... Seriously!

[@proj3ctwar]

It’s the Father Son Bond that hits home for me.

[@StudPack]

Cool thx 👍💪

[@htownblue11]

Tile that bad boy. And that hand saw is a young man’s game. Get Jordan on that job Paul! Hahaha. Good stuff. Slick tip at the beginning and on the backer board slope.

[@Camar2015]

Hi guys, I've been watching your videos and I've been learning a lot from it. I'm thinking about renovating our bathrooms. I want to remove the tub from our main bathroom and the shower insert

[@chrisdunn1965]

Just recently discovered your vids, love them, great work fellas.

[@robertjoseph1592]

Love your production values and the soundtrack. I am assuming you guys are using royalty free music tracks, just curious about where you're getting them.

[@hotrodpaully1]

What about the celling in the shower hot steam and condensing on the ceiling/ water splashing will cause issues ( also looked like a short celling height, which only makes matters worse)

[@StudPack]

8 foot ceiling in the shower area. We're going to add an exhaust fan in the bathroom. Rarely see tiled ceilings in showers unless very low or a steam shower or a high end house.

[@Prorex1911]

I love the attention to detail! Great job. Only question I had was about the shower floor pan. Don’t you need to do that first so when you run the wall membrane, it would overlap the top of the pan membrane? Now, the wall will be behind the pan. If I explained that correctly? Lol.

[@StudPack]

Thx Chris! Schulter Kerdi does not need to overlap - that's part of the appeal of this system. It's REALLY difficult for me not to lap but if they're going to warranty the installation, I'm good.

[@Prorex1911]

@@StudPack ok, I guess I’ll wait to see how you connect the pan liner to the walls.

[@sroberds640]

Use Ardex 8+9 for water proofing on top of the Schluter system, the Schluter system is not 100% waterproof. The Ardex 8+9 it is a two part A + B ready to tile the same day. I know it seems redundant but after seeing so many videos of rotten tear outs, doubling up seems like a good idea.

[@drosenberg8018]

Out of curiosity, because I have no idea what I'm doing and I'm in the infant stages of planning my own bathroom remodel. Would it be more advantageous to run the Schluter the long way left-to-right, starting from the bottom, so that each higher course overlaps in a way that any water running down the wall couldn't possibly get behind the seam in the event the seam fails??

[@StudPack]

Shingle style is fine but Schluter doesn't require it.

[@drosenberg8018]

@@StudPack ok thanks! Great vids. Keep up the work.

[@return2basics242]

So, with modern construction, followed with the rules to a tee, how hard will it be to remove nect time for the next generations renovations?

[@lanaridley1135]

I need a bath remodel, don't think I can handle it alone. But I'm crazy enough to try. What do you say??? HELP! ! !

[@josephgraham1065]

Really nice video and informative. If it was me I would tile the side of the tub. Merry Christmas

[@workmanshipbygrace8173]

Excellent work! Keep making these videos 👍👍👍

[@johnpeters9903]

If that 11/2" pvc pipe under the deck is the tub vent it is in violation of code. That vent can't go horizontal until it is 6" above the flood rim of the fixture.