9 Mages vs 250 Orcs - WarCraft 2 FIGHT CLUB

[@StuGames]

Check out episode 2! kzbin.info/www/bejne/iH3Rm4t7qNGhatE

[@arisplugis5197]

do you really still play this game?

[@majorramsey3k]

@@arisplugis5197 I know I do.

[@mrbleak9873]

I didn’t realize how much I miss this game. Also, Khadgar with the polymorph 🤣

[@exidy-yt]

IKR? Makes me want to bust WC2 out all over again.

[@mickcraftgaming]

I've always thought the Mage has one of the coolest death animations. Bloodlust is OP 😲😲 Khadgar's victory over Deathwing was hilarious 😂😂

[@terryroraus]

You want to talk about OP? Sappers immediately destroyed the stronghold defense. Ain't no way humans could hold

[@joshblacker3512]

I like when ogres punch people. Great animation, and a pretty badass unit

[@mickcraftgaming]

@@terryroraus sappers and demo teams are definitely underrated units!

[@mickcraftgaming]

@@joshblacker3512 agreed!

[@PRDarkDreamer]

My childhood memories for WarCraft II. So much Nostalgia from this game.

[@noir66146]

i've always wanted to know the answers to these battles

[@andyhuggins9966]

@THE REAL TYREE SNEED (Gnomish) and you could set up those custom maps to be anything. You could be a human leader unit that rescues 2 orcish peons and have to build from that with mercs and such. I feel that was lost in War3 when like every Custom Map was 'starts with a town hall and some workers ONLY' every time...

[@SimonPlays93]

3:00 That Footman behind was like: "Nah. I'd rather be sailing."

[@Locke19901]

Join the army they said. See the world they said.

[@unknownsword9042]

@@Locke19901 I'm a medieval man!

[@tonysauruswrexu4623]

“I simply CANNOT go into this fight with an untied armor-plated boot now, CAN I?” ……”Ah! Well done Comrades! We really showed them What-fore, didn’t we! 😎”

[@jeremiel3821]

That footman standing behind showed his superior intelligence lol

[@joroa7151]

Stu showcasing WC2 battles? A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one It has the best atmosphere in any RTS

[@samuelhakansson6680]

Everyone knows that bloodlusted ogres beat knights hard. What I wanted to see though (since it looked like a script to cast BL automatically) was how Paladins would fare if there was some sort of automatic casting of heal. Would make for a lot more interesting and unpredictable results.

[@StuGames]

I only casted the initial BLs with a script - I might see if I can find someone to help control the other side for fights with casters on both sides

[@warpuppy4528]

If it is anything like the AI in Warcraft 2, Paladins cast heal every time they have enough mana to do so. They will waste an attack to heal 2 damage to something. They might be better off just being knights.

[@ragnarok1er840]

There were 2.5 times more knights, though, so the result was not that easy to me.

[@samuelhakansson6680]

@@ragnarok1er840 the way bloodlust is calculated, it doubles both base damage and upgrade damage. Since armour values are flat, you get a huge percentage damage increase when you increase the base damage with bloodlust, up to 3 times as much damage dealt by an ogre compared to the damage done by a knight. Plus its always advantageous to have fewer but stronger units in a large battle, because you will have a higher percentage of the ogres taking part in combat vs the knights who cant use their numerical advantage because there just isnt enough room to fit them all. All in all, ogres outtrade knights tremendously hard, and this is one of the big design flaws of Warcraft 2.

[@ragnarok1er840]

@@samuelhakansson6680 very interesting :) I only ever played the campaign and I much preferred knights because I could heal them and never lose a single unit if I took my time :)

[@stevenmayer8528]

Also still love how OP THE ANIMAL TURNING SPELL IS 😆😆

[@SYSSMouse]

In WC2 the effect is permanent

[@KungSaanKaPoMasaya]

Hex spell iirc

[@SYSSMouse]

@@KungSaanKaPoMasaya polymorph

[@KungSaanKaPoMasaya]

@@SYSSMouse oh yeah. You're right. Polymorph hehe

[@mofogie]

It's not that OP. Orcs get deathcoil for free and two deathcoils is usually enough to do same damage as polymorph. Spellcasters were OP in general though.

[@blackthrone6976]

3:00 smartest footman ever

[@meccnr3536]

That first battle with mages was a complete surprise. Didn't know what old-school warcraft had units with AoE that strong.

[@StuGames]

They are insanely strong! Psi-storm or the WC3 spells don't hold a candle to good old Blizzard. I'll see if I can showcase some of the other spells in a future episode.

[@NodDisciple1]

@@StuGames So much Nostalgia from this game. I miss old Blizzard so much. :'(

[@Astroga159]

@@StuGames Makes sense that first time Blizzard would put blizzard spell into game it would be op

[@unfazedo]

Yes. Its Orc equivalent is Death and Decay from Death Knight. Nasty spell.

[@alexbarac]

@@unfazedo Almost. Afaik, Blizzard is better against units than D&D, while D&D is better against buildings.

[@PlanetToca]

This brings me back 27 years to 1996 with my Acer computer that took 10 minutes to start up. I used to spend hours building custom bases for fun to then start the game and have the enemy AI just sit there and do nothing 😂

[@alvaromneto]

Same!

[@HiddenView1977]

Wish I still had this game. Sooooo much fun.

[@CyranofromBergerac]

@@HiddenView1977 good old games, go there and buy it. It's not much and I think you get WC1 with it.

[@HiddenView1977]

@@CyranofromBergerac thanks, will check it out.

[@voevodineu]

Deathwing: *Do you like fire?* Khadgar: *yes.*

[@Gabriel_Van_Helsing]

5:28

[@SlySuavity]

I recently started getting back into WC2 after *decades*, so seeing brawls like this is such a treat. :3

[@IvanGarcia-ke3lo]

Have you checked out the project Cronicles of the Second War? They're almost done with the first campaign

[@andyhuggins9966]

@ching chong (Gnomish) Loktar Frend!

[@newfacepaula]

finally the REAL Warcraft!

[@douglasthompson1724]

Heck yeah, WC2 Fightclub! Thanks Stu!

[@StuGames]

It's been tricky to make, but I think the end result is worth it! Thanks for the continued massive support! 🍺😃

[@Wolfman6743]

3:00 I like that one footman who stayed behind to let his fellows get blown up and then joined in for the afterparty. he's the real MVP

[@redeclipseprojects9746]

Man the khadgar vs deathwing was... A Savage Battle!!!

[@koshi6505]

I definitely didn't expect the Bloodlusted Ogres vs Knights to be so close given how powerful Bloodlust is.

[@ivoivic2448]

the wizard battle was impressive at how good the engine processed multiple hits at the same time, but then the last battle showed the shortcomings when the engine couldn't properly path units due to there being too many to process.

[@rugedas87]

5:30 Wait, we were this close from not getting Cataclysm?

[@Xenobears]

World of Warcraft: Deathwing is an unstoppable force of nature! It’s going to take a massive raid of high ilvl players to even stand a chance! WCII Khadgar: chill out, I got this.

[@lyvekis8824]

The times where Warcraft was actual grim and brutal.

[@Astroga159]

I saw that Khadgar Deatwing result from miles away. I used the same tactic in final mission of humans base game to kill every dragon coming my way once I got pallys to ward off death knights

[@edreges9893]

That placement was unfortunate for the stronghold. Of course they will lose most of their units to dragons if the units in range can't shoot up.

[@samiamrg7]

And also packed like sardines when the enemy has both dragons and death knights using Death and Decay

[@davehollis5816]

If the human side had just 2 mages it wouldn't even have been close

[@Kharnellius]

Is that why the archers appeared to simply just refuse to shoot at the end? Was kind of odd. The basically just waited for death to come to them.

[@vatiekaknie]

I remember as a kid carrying my pc to my friend's house(1km or so) walking on the street total nerd, no other way to get it there did not care what people had to say or think just wanted to warcraft. First multiplayer experience of my life. Amazing memories this was a special game

[@Norrieification]

Saw the polymorph coming but it was still hilarious haha. Well done!

[@timehikes]

Hands down the best part of this video.

[@johnangelotenorio]

5:35 Back then, Hero units are just ordinary units but with higher stats, unique portraits and quotes (Gul'dan actually has *lower* stats if I remember). It can actually be a liability to send them to battle especially if it's Mission Failed if they die. Mages/Death Knights are the most dangerous because of their spells, especially Polymorph as shown here. I actually had a hard time playing the *first* mission of Beyond the Dark Portal (playing those campaigns for the first time) because the Death Knights keep specifically targeting the heroes.

[@JonCombo]

Used to slow the game speed way down, for crucial moments.

[@Gyallarhorn1]

@@JonCombo If one is fast or uses the Paladins scouting spell at the right time, Paladins can just oneshot deathknights with exorcism though. And Paladins are faster than Deathknighs so it's often a bad trade for the Deathknights... IF you react in time.

[@ESFAndy011]

No, Gul'Dan had identical stats to Death Knights. Cho'Gall I think had 100 health instead of the 90 the Ogre Magi units did, but I could be mistaken. Uther had the same as the Paladins and Lothar had the same as the Knights. They only ever really buffed the heroes in BTDP.

[@keithlol]

Amazing how well the voice acting holds up in this game.

[@shaconix3291]

Fuckin true

[@TheCompleteJeff]

Text you can hear: “Job’s Done”

[@STOCKHOLM07]

Dabu.

[@philipemmanuel9747]

As with your other videos, this was awesome, exceptional. Thank you for creating these wonders. I really loved the dialogue between Khadgar and Deathwing.

[@qdlaty87]

It's almost 2023, and I've just felt strong urge to play through the campaign once again.

[@aaroncarlsback7239]

5:36 We would have skipped Cataclysm expansion in just one second if Khadgar had come

[@vespi57]

Khadgar vs. Deathwing? I knew the result before the fight even started.

[@gendoruwo6322]

immortal example on why you shouldn't judge contestants by their names....

[@samuelhakansson6680]

@@gendoruwo6322 I knew he was gonna cast polymorph the second I saw a mage vs a dragon. Whether or not it was deathwing and khadgar was completely irrelevant.

[@gendoruwo6322]

@@samuelhakansson6680 : me on the other hand... FORGOT khadgar has polymorp spell and that Deathwing is not immune to it. So I judged only based on their names :D

[@AlexeyFilippenkoPlummet]

Deathwing: I will terraform Azeroth with my fire breath, I will destroy lands itself, I will have my own full expansion in WoW! Khadgar: lol come a bit closer, loser

[@janm5854]

Bloodlust is so f*cking OP. Also, Deathwing vs Khadgar... lmao!!!

[@deathwingelitegantz5264]

☝YES! 🤨

[@zach11241]

“Do you like fire?” “Yes!” “Oh.... I’m full of it!”

[@SeoulMan]

1:21 Ahhhh, music to my ears. I love the sound of bloodlusting in the morning.

[@Krapoutchniek]

Those musics... Bring back so much memory :')

[@heidendragoon]

the voice and sound effects are so brutal, amplifies the horrificness 100 fold

[@GrommiD]

What a pleasant surprise. Its 2022, Warcraft 2, HAIL TO THE OLD BLIZZARD, The game looks magnificent, it plays magnificent, its masterpiece. Id like to watch more army fights. Thank you.

[@Gawayno]

I've been hoping you'd make a Fight Club for WarCraft II. Love it so much! Definitely one of my top 5 favorite games of all-time!

[@StuGames]

Glad you liked it! More to come. Thanks for the support 🤗

[@Gawayno]

@@StuGames You're welcome! Glad to hear it! Keep up the great work as always!

[@ed_gorod]

YES war2 is the real RTS game

[@Gawayno]

@@ed_gorod 100% Agreed!

[@coolbeans4u]

WHERE WAS KHADGAR DURING CATA WHEN WE NEEDED HIM?!

[@KingOfMadCows]

I never noticed this before but when the Orc yells "Whaaat!" It kind of sounds like he's saying "Waaagh!"

[@MasterMote]

5:30 that's actually hilarious 😂😂😂

[@amplesstratleholm7609]

I haven't played WC2 (it's a Stu fight club upload so I'm still gonna see it regardless), so putting the BL description is much appreciated. Also, Khadgar insta-killing Deathwing is hilarious because I know it isn't going to happen in lore

[@StuGames]

As a kid I was always endlessly amused that Deathwing (by far the most powerful unit in the game) could be one-shot by polymorph, so I had to add that!

[@Vans89]

It's like WW1. All quiet on the Azeroth Front.

[@funnycompilations8314]

New games can have all the bells and whistles but can never replace old games in our heart.

[@Kratatch]

I knew Khadgar would sheep it. It has always been the strongest counter against dragons. ^^

[@MissionSRX]

wonderful stroll back into the memories of childhood and still a surprisingly fun game.

[@matfly4832]

Hell yeah! I remember have won an epic 4vs1 3.5 hours game. Many good souvenirs. The birth of multiplayer strategy gaming!

[@berzerkbankie1342]

That was like the exact number of orcs those mages could take out

[@BeesNTrees47]

god hearing these old voice lines is like running into my babysitter 25 years later

[@cdcdrr]

Anarcho-Syndicalist Peasants vs. the Knights Who Say Ni Knight: You will cut down the tallest tree in the forest, with... a herring! Peasant: Help help, I'm being oppressed!

[@MrCovi2955]

Go figure that the spell named after the company was OP.

[@celticjordan1]

Mages all out of mana… there faces hoping all the grunts are taken out. 😳😂😂😂

[@DarkTemplar42]

Talk about a trip down memory lane!

[@RandomB13]

Awesome W2 fight club! Castle storming in the end was so cool. Whole new level of army on army action. Was a bit one sided tho. Looking forward to more

[@Games_and_Music]

This was the Mage fight that i was expecting to see when there were 50 Ogre Mages and 1000 Peasant pitted against each other like in the other video, and it almost was a flawless victory. I always found it a funny sight to see Mages attempt melee, but eh, it worked in the end. Betting on the Ogre Mages, for their melee power.. did not disappoint, but it still baffles me that Mages do melee that well. Footmen vs Sappers seemed like a no-brainer, guessing the Footmen can withstand some damage while the Sappers are guaranteed to perish, i assumed RNG would be on the Footmen's favor, and i'm not sure if that was actually true, but it seemed to play out that way. The Destroyers and Gryphons seemed like an interesting match, and trying to think 'realistically' about it, i would think that the Destroyers would outperform the Gryphons eventually, but yeah, reality has nothing to do with this. I figured Khadgar would win, based on the previous video (which is actually a newer video) where Deathwing also got 1 shot, but yeah, this is even worse, hah. Rooting for the Horde and expecting the Stronghold to fallm which it did. 5-1 Score, the Gryphons sank my hopes.

[@NrGDime]

Another fantastic AI gladiator arena. Bloodlust actually triples Ogre damage. It doubles the normal attack and piercing damage changing ogre max damage from 8 to 24.

[@StuGames]

You're right! The attack power is doubled, but as you say the actual damage can be tripled (or even more in some cases!), which happens because of the enemy's armor. Say (simplified) ogres do 16 damage and knights have 8 armor. Then they do 16-8 = 8 damage. With bloodlust, they do 32-8 = 24 damage, three times as much!

[@Runehorn]

the ogre knight fight may have played out differently if the knights were allowed to wrap around

[@jacobking962]

I PVP’d against mages in classic, I knew exactly how that was going to go

[@sloppyjoe1051]

Miss this game. Use to play on LAN dial up with my buddy in 1995.

[@KrugerFS]

loved watching it just for the sounds, so many memories.

[@marcelhannotte7624]

gosh I haven't played this game since I was 12 but if I remember right, those arrow towers (static defence) was so strong that in pvp it could easily cause a very long stalemate and even though both factions were identically the same they still made the alliance over powered. Also I was glad Blizzard never repeated naval combat in any other games they made since.

[@EtanMarlin]

Ive been playing this game alot recently, BUT THAT KHADGAR FIGHT HAHA

[@alexfriedman2047]

I'm a starcraft player and I used to play War 1 and war 2 as a kid. They should made High Templars an attack like Mages. Also blood lust is too op and that's why nobody plays humans. If heal was automatic like medics then maybe, but it's too hard to use humans and actually heal. It's cool to see all the inspiration taken from Warcraft 2 into Starcraft. Literally everything in Starcraft is based off of warcraft2. Sappers are infested Terrans, Mages are high templars... Footmen are like zealots, etc. I'm a huge RTS fan.

[@StuGames]

A lot of Orc's power also comes from ogres being easier to control than mages at the Fastest speed setting. On lower speeds, Humans might be closer to Orcs in power because mages can arguably be better than DKs.

[@alexfriedman2047]

@@StuGames What's the main difference between death knights and mages? Seems to me like they have the same abilities , no? Yeah but noone plays on slow settings lol. The game would be so slow and boring if it was slow settings. Even in Starcraft a lot of people play on 1.5 X the fastest speed. I think fastest speed is perfect. I was pretty good at War2, but I kinda didn't know how to stop weird tower rushes. Idk it was a while ago, but I was pretty good I beat a lot of people in War2.... Then I started playing Starcraft again when remastered came ou and I stoped playing war2. Have you ever played Warcraft 3?

[@StuGames]

@@alexfriedman2047 They have all different abilities! Even Blizzard and D&D are slightly different, I believe Blizzard is slightly better in most situations but I forgot the details. Mages also have invisibility and polymorph, DKs have haste and unholy armor (plus some mediocre spells), so in the end it's a bit of a wash. Obviously Faster speeds are more fun for experienced players, I'm just talking about balance! SC1 would also no doubt see more caster usage (queens, dark archons, ghosts) on lower speeds. I've played over 5k online matches of Wc3, it's by far my most played RTS!

[@alexfriedman2047]

@@StuGames Oh... I didn't know that D&D was actually different than Blizzard... I assumed they were basically the same in damage. It's been a few years since I played so I forgot most of the builds. I just remember that If you rush into Ogres and they don't have Catapults and or towers and or walled off you basically just roll through everything with 8 lusted ogres. The pathing and AI in War2 is so bad that I can't really play it anymore. Did you like the remastered of Warcraft 3? I heard it was awful a f. I play starcraft 1 remastereed like evry day now.

[@StuGames]

@@alexfriedman2047 the WC3 remaster was terrible and destroyed the game, noone plays it anymore

[@Zedd0z]

Watching this gave me so much nostalgia. What a cool video idea!

[@Argarron]

A clear demonstration of the advantages of MLRS over infantry...

[@MirekWdowiak]

Khadgar XD That spell... xD Loled too loud I guess. :D xD Thanks Stu. :)

[@NodDisciple1]

Warcraft I-III Campaign when?

[@aceshighdueceslow]

fuck yeah, finally some Warcraft 2 rep. incidentally, the lack of magic power in that Human stronghold was it's downfall. Even a couple Paladins present and those Death Knights are instantly vaporized, taking away quite a bit of the oomph of the Horde army

[@user-wr5bw6kh3p]

5:15 the most epic battle

[@chanceobrien]

Khadgar vs Deathwing fight was epic.

[@X3MgamePlays]

Got to love that doubling the damage of bloodlusted ogre's. Doesn't nesserally mean it is truly times 2. Against buildings, it is even times 3 if you can do the math.

[@DaniloOliveira36]

The gryphon and Destroyer battle was a surprise for me. Because 1 destroyer wins over a gryphon.

[@IceSlushi]

The knights dying reminded me of home improvement. Excellent video.

[@skyvipers]

Dang I was really looking forward to some CnC Tib-Sun Fight Clubs, but WC2 will do for now lol

[@Dowell318]

The destroyers could have beaten the griffon riders if they had moved quickly to the middle of the griffon riders, so that the area effect damage from the griffon attacks also damaged the griffons. Sometimes the battle micro/tactics are more decisive than the amount and type of units.

[@dinosdaniel3508]

That footman that stayed behind was like "nope"

[@mayonnnnnaise]

I thought that first orc that got through was gonna give em the business

[@redwings13400]

That's a first class demonstration in how to not make a fortress with humans. No paladins with exorcism and no mages with blizzard. Instead, have a bunch of tightly packed ballistae that will shoot your own units, with towers that can be easily taken out by death and decay. Also make sure that your footmen are walled in so they get no surface area, and are just standing still uselessly for the majority of the battle. The fortress sure looked impressive, but man was it vulnerable to death and decay. :p

[@Greenmick6982]

I was today years old when I discovered this glorious channel. Also, pesky pesky death knights.

[@washtubz]

I couldn't make a prediction on the final fight, I was just in awe

[@homersimpson8955]

Ha! 9 Mages vs 150 Russians was good one. Didn't know Mages so powerful. Good job!

[@exidy-yt]

Great idea for a video! I did pretty well, got all of em right except the first one: I underestimated just how strong Blizzard really was, though it was still pretty close. It was surprising how close so many of them were, though with the final battle once I saw that horde I knew there was no chance for the alliance. Great vid!

[@belofon8899]

Nice to see a fight club on one of the games from my childhood) For future ideas: heroes duels and comparisons with groups of normal units might be interesting

[@auroraborealissaltmineswarlord]

seeing those wizards cast blizzard reminds me of the old days, playing WC2 on ps1 as a kid and seeing that blizzard is the only thing that killed through the godmode cheat

[@kebman]

Lol those voice lines are just so enjoyable xD

[@maxwillson]

I gotta get a life, I could spend the whole day watching this stuff ahahahaha

[@Peatingtune]

I remember when this game was new. Now it looks positively ancient.

[@agnogh1]

Nice to see someone is still playing

[@mivapusa]

Imagine Warcraft lore actually killed Deathwing by Khadgar turning him unto a pig, then cooking him up for supper

[@rogue8533]

That was a good suggestion, thank you KZbin.

[@N0TYALC]

Nobody’s gonna comment about the knights and ogres at 2:25 making history’s most perfectly straight battle line?

[@TheBrazilianHue]

The last one was so unfair. No gryph riders, no paladins, just basic units. So sad.

[@jonadams5547]

The mages blizzard and those ogres blood lust was always devastating

[@brendans1983]

I can only now imagine what my parents were thinking hearing this shit coming outta the computer room for hours and hours on end 🤣

[@zach11241]

3:02 that lone foot soldier standing there like “fuuuuuck this!” 😂

[@ballisticcranberrypeat7777]

I think for the bigger battles you need to increase the size of the arena, otherwise the differences in unit numbers don’t make any difference. There’s just a line of twenty units down the screen and everyone is just standing around behind it.

[@Rub-A-Duck]

I miss these sound effects so much, one of the first games on my PSX...

[@The_Gallowglass]

I think if the battlefield was bigger, so that the knights could encircle the ogre mages they would have done much better.