Stupidest Thing Said About The Rise Of Skywalker

[@RobotHead]

Hope things are slightly normal in your part of the world. If you enjoyed the video a “like” or “subscribe” is appreciated. A share also goes a long way in helping the channel and could also get you a new friend or enemy. Can we all just pretend these films never happened?

[@swoholo]

YEP

[@jacktiew7131]

Certainly.

[@averageinternettroll]

Hey it's possible Disney may actually retcon them

[@Digster108]

I can agree to forget the sequels.

[@lewisdoherty658]

Indeed

[@IgazRocker]

Its funny how Ray's character "development" went a full circle: At the beginning of TFA she was on a sand planet, lying to herself about her family, and three movies later, she was on a sand planet, lying to herself about her family....

[@Kirito-qc7kb]

lol so true

[@reishakyu3553]

George lucas story.. full circle of fatherhood, brotherhood, and family.. qui gons fatherhood fighting for anakin, obi wans brotherhood to anakin, obi wans fatherhood to luke, anakin being the father he never had (qui gon) protecting luke.. it goes full circle.. a beautiful story. and now.. we have this rian jj circus circle.. smfh

[@Bradenhandley]

It's like poetry, it rhymes

[@davidm4566]

@@reishakyu3553 The first 6 Star Wars films were an epic masterpiece. The Prequels had their problems, but added to the lore and improved the story overall.

[@NbgBytezYT]

@@davidm4566 yeah I am a prequel fan and I'll admit that the dialogue was cringey at times (especially in attack of the clones) but the prequels seamlessly fitted with the OT. But the sequels didn't in any way And in Revenge of the sith we received the best lightsaber duel imo

[@aclown36]

Anakin's mom: *Hey anni, are you done building your droid* Anakin: *yea lemme just make sure it can't translate ancient sith dialect in accordance to republic law*

[@uzifx]

So Shmi Skywalker?

[@aclown36]

@@uzifx yes

[@emberfist8347]

I mean he can translate because otherwise he couldn’t recognize it as a language

[@SteveRudzinski]

I think Rise is bad but that always seemed like something added by Jimmy Schmidt after he first hand experienced a Sith take over the galaxy.

[@weberman173]

yes because 3PO was NEVER owned by.. i dont know.. 2 seperate Republic Senators, as well as someone at least decently high up in the new republic at one point(leia)? had his memorie wiped(which may very well also include a software update) or anything else that may explain why he has the regulations and limitations of a republic protocol droid... also he BUILD the Droid, not PROGRAMMED IT, im fairly certain that The Main processor/logic isnt something he build, but something he just found or scrapped from another broken droid that could not be sold or something

[@sheevpalpatine9253]

i had no involment with this movie

[@manaayek8091]

I trust you sheev

[@docmaly2178]

I trust the Senate.

[@theleftfootedsultan]

@@docmaly2178 he IS the Senate, so you’re good

[@adityabhalekar3506]

the senate never lies

[@shaygueta73]

@@docmaly2178 not yet

[@stever6606]

I'll never get tired of listening to people shit on the sequel trilogy. ❤

[@Killtacboy]

Agreed. The catharsis is all I’ve got when it comes to the awful trilogy at this point.

[@bananerna2601]

It’s kinda pathetic I think. Imagine having nothing else to do than to hate on something no one can change. Just accept it and let it go.

[@stever6606]

@@bananerna2601 Or nothing better to do than troll the comment section of those videos telling people to just accept it. I'm not hating, just pointing out the fact that while you're here with us you could join the rebellion.

[@bananerna2601]

@@stever6606 How am I trolling?

[@dRoscoAZ]

@@bananerna2601 🤦‍♂️

[@velhaw8737]

"Who are you?" "Rey." "Rey who?" "Rey Skywalker" Anakin & Luke: "So what's your favorite hand, Rey?"

[@anti-dreamstansunited3391]

Lmao

[@lucasmiller8338]

It's Rey "All-The-Jedi" Skywalker

[@UrbanSyed2904]

Well, technically the men of Skywalker needs their hands to be cut of. Schmi's and Leia's hand are intake.

[@Thesyndicate11111]

"My name is Rey STAR WARS!"

[@haydn-db8z]

@@Thesyndicate11111 you spelled "HORS" wrong.

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

Why clone Snoke when a hundred Palpatine clones could rule everything without ships?

[@ryanmumford5534]

But palpatine clones wouldn't get along too well, all being power hungry emperor's and all, like if there was a movie with every evil dictator and tyrant on one side, they would probably all fight each other

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Hell, why make the Starkiller base, if all is needed are the planet destroyers of the Final Order? Wasn't the first order under Palpatine's control all along?

[@bigsmilie07]

WOW!!!!!

[@samuelpalenik6244]

@@DonVigaDeFierro That is just another plot hole introduced by JJ. Every single continuation closed few plot holes of the previous movie and opend up fuck ton of others. It is not even worth debating what would have made sense anymore

[@darkmistico]

the already mass produce clones like in the clone wars .. they can program the clones

[@PoopaChallupa]

The stupidest thing said about this movie is that Rey is a Jedi. She's not a Jedi. She's just someone with force powers.

[@budgetmicro5387]

Well put.

[@PoopaChallupa]

@Excelsior Same way that Boba fett isn't a mandalorian. Jedi is a creed, a way of life. A Jedi is not just someone with force powers. Luke wasn't a Jedi either until episode 6. Watch Luke in episode 5 to see Luke make every mistake a Jedi would not. Not to mention, the sequels never go into the biggest lesson a Jedi has to learn. The seductive power of the dark side. It's the whole reason the Jedi train. Instead Rey is constantly screaming and wielding her saber first in every confrontation. Watch her stab Kylo in RoS with such anger and tell me I'm wrong. That's not a Jedi. I don't care how much floating you do. A Jedi never wields their saber in offense. They are the last to turn theirs on. Even Vader knew this in Empire. Watch Vader in Empire, he was in complete control, while he watch luke make every mistake. Not surprising considering Vader was once a Jedi. Well, training to be one. Vader ultimately failed his training. But he understood the training Why do you think the counsel didn't grant him Jedi Master in episode 3? George spent 6 movies explaining this, yet you act like it's some big secret. Throughout all 3 sequels, i never once felt that Rey could turn to the dark side. It was never brought up as the threat it should be. Yet, she does everything a Jedi is trained not to. The Screaming she does in every movie is in anger, yet it's never shown how anger leads to the dark side. She's a Jedi as much as a kid in school dissecting a frog is a doctor. I could keep going, but you should have the idea by now. Plenty of great videos on KZbin you can watch if you still aren't convinced.

[@RoninDave]

@@PoopaChallupa good point. a big point of the originals was the danger of the allure of the dark side. In the first film, it's mentioned how Darth Vader was seduced by its power. Then it was more explored in Empire with Luke confronting a vision of himself in Vader's armor on Dagobah suggesting what could happen to him. Then in the 3rd film he is tempted to turn ironically for good reasons first to save his doomed friends from the Emperor's trap then his sister from being corrupted. It's then we see him give into his anger and physically defeat Vader until he stops himself at the last moment and rejects the Dark Side. We are supposed to understand he came very close to falling to the Dark Side. Rey on the other hand never has this temptation thruout the series despite showing signs that she could easily fall to the Dark Side (especially out of hubris). Even the dark side place in Dagobah shows nothing of this sort. Nor is the Emperor interested in turning her to the Dark Side as he was with Vader, Luke, and Kylo. If she killed him like he wanted at first, he'd have possessed her like some Biblical demon whereas if Luke did Luke would have surrendered to the Dark Side. That internal struggle was completely absent in Rey which is yet another reason why her character is so boring and unrelatable.

[@atomic_yt55]

@Mark Peterson I have seen Sith act more like a Jedi than Rey. Just look at Kylo dodge like 4 swings from Rey after she goes into a hissy fit over the Wayfinder being broken

[@PoopaChallupa]

@@RoninDave I completely agree. The movies built zero tension and the RoS was the worst offender. Not only did they undo Anakin's story arc, they failed to make us believe there was any chance of Rey turning to the dark side. TLJ is a whole other problem. Why continue the Skywalker story(which already concluded) if you're just going to crap on the OG characters and replace them with substandard, undeveloped characters... They should have done 1 of 2 things, either use Lucas' story for future Skywalker series, or do your own storyline. Disney should have made something completely separate from Skywalker. Instead of cashing in on nostalgia and member berries.

[@nathancallan9376]

J.J. Abrams: "Cloning is a secret practice by the sith only they can harness" Kaminoans: *am i a joke to you*

[@elliottblackburn4331]

The kaminoans were working for the sith

[@nathancallan9376]

@@elliottblackburn4331 They were in that instance, but before then they had been cloning themselves and for other private contractors as well. The clone army simply happened to be their most well-known contract that they undertook. And besides, when they were cloning the Fett DNA they didn't have any assistance from the sith other than the downpayment provided by darth plageuis. And they never needed any, because they had been perfecting the process of cloning through generations.

[@ksamuel9]

@@elliottblackburn4331 the only hand the sith played with the kaminoan cloning was money, other than that it was all them

[@schwarzerritter5724]

The real question you should be asking is how this random guy knows so much about Sith. Weren't they kind of secretive?

[@nathancallan9376]

@@schwarzerritter5724 That's exactly what I was thinking! When did this guy start studying star wars lore? Plus the average citizen of the galaxy barely even knew that Palpatine was a sith lord.

[@fattiger2000]

As much as I would have loved 7, 8 and 9 to have been good movies I can honestly say the Disney disaster gave me many more hours of youtube entertainment than the movies ever could have.

[@1234louis40]

my thoughts exactly

[@aljobongo]

You ain’t wrong mate 😂

[@madmaxpain7727]

7 was actually enjoyable to watch but only because it’s a new hope 😂

[@hasan_z]

Yeah lol. I'm so disappointed plinkett didn't bash it like he did prequels, which were not bad in comparison

[@buttwiperindawfulevil2256]

Episode 7 was good, things went down hill from episode 8

[@SeekerLancer]

One word reviews for this trilogy: 7: Lazy. 8: Cynical. 9: Bad.

[@Arander92]

How about: 7. Bad 8. Bad 9. Cinematic cancer

[@hariman7727]

I have a friend who actually enjoyed 95% of the most recent Star Wars trilogy… and then she saw the end of rise of skywalker where they killed Ben Solo for no reason other than drama. My friend will now never watch the main movies of Star Wars again because the end of the whole trilogy is a broken heart.

[@toatakanuva4846]

7. Bad 8. Awful 9. Cinematic Excrement

[@JS-mu9qd]

7:Ok 8:Shit 9:Half acceptable,Half Shit Just my view

[@hendrik7354]

7 - Lazy 8 - Horrible 9 - Shit

[@VisiblyPinkUnicorn]

Star Wars *had* a really rich history, before the dark times... before Disney.

[@sirprize275]

That’s honestly what pissed me off the most. Of all the possibilities just remake the old movies just with less interesting characters

[@SmallGreenPlanetoid]

@@sirprize275 Right?? I mean, I understand why they got rid of the original Expanded Universe, but the least they could have done was keep the character growth and optimism from that canon.

[@PaceBreaker]

That's the thing that's disappointing and depressing about the sequels: our old heroes are just inept and incompetent losers who are just the most miserable, broken down people. It makes sense if they were fighting a losing battle for years leading up to The Force Awakens but that doesn't seem to be the case the way the narrative is presented in the opening crawl.

[@BogusLion]

Sorry but the prequels were s**t, no, it wasn't all sunshine and roses back then, how do you think we got Disney? Crazy Georgie had to sell it because he ruined it first with the crappy prequels and the stupidity in those films, Disney just gave the final stab to a franchise that can't be faithful to the originals untouched by crazy georgie, release the theatrical versions of Star Wars untouched and in 4K quality and you'll see this franchise alive and kicking again, all rest is cow dung. Even the Ewoks movie and the Christmas special are better than the prequels and sequels together, I don't even know who buys star wars blurays anymore? Even the originals as they were massacred by George Lucas in the 90's with the senile special edition...

[@sirprize275]

Little Chestnut uh no one was talking about the prequels so not sure what sparked your little rant. I really like the prequels as flawed as the are; yes I had to grow up a bit to understand and appreciate the politics, if someone had just told “Crazy Georgie” to tone it down a bit with the overly poetic dialogue and special effects I believe the movies could have been amazing. I honestly feel bad that George was pretty much bullied into selling his creations to a soulless company.

[@virgilblaze9090]

In a weird way, i'm glad the sequel trilogy happened as the prequels finally got the recognition they deserved. The prequels were ofcourse flawed, but the overall story arc was incredible and spawned a new generation that loved them just as much as the originals. I doubt a new generation will think fondly of the sequels looking back.

[@christianclark347]

The cuts where they remove the needless alien/droid shenanigans make it so much more watchable. I know C-3P0 and R2 were always kinda the comic relief but it was subtle or at least subdued like the conversation about accidentally thawing the princess' room on Hoth, or 3P0 just being an ass to R2, etc. It was there, but it was quick, over-and-done as soon as it happened. No one was fumbling their own head through a droid factory for 12 minutes of screen time.

[@Maddinhpws]

Personally I only didn't really like the first movie of the prequels all that much. Or more clearly, young Anakin was kinda annoying to watch. Once they got into the parts where he is older, the politics, etc. it was quite good in my opinion. But I did start with the prequels.

[@thedeskman08]

I like the prequels the arent perfect, as you said, but they are cool the visuals are nice and it was by George Lucas (unlike one trilogy I know) and we got some fan favorite characters like general greivous, young obi wan and Anakin

[@fatdinosaurfood8059]

I was born in this generation and I’m happy my parents made me start with tpm

[@jacksmith4460]

Nah sorry Ep 1-3 were much better than 7-9, but they were still actually pretty lame films, with the exception of Ep3 which was decent, but that itself , was a salvage job at the time. The prequels are average films, not great films, average. People don't want to hear it (below a certain age because they grew up with the prequels) . Really ...the prequels were the beginning of the end for Star Wars. I dont know how old you are but I was 18 when Phantom menace came out, and EP1 and 2 were not considered anything more than crap. EP3 was Lucas' last ditch effort to make the Prequels work, and whist being better than EP1 and 2 by quite some way, it was still riddled with attempts to satisfy the audience. I remember Lucas before Ep3 sounding exactly like JJ just before the release of Ep9 .I remember everyone hating Ep1 and 2 , almost as much as 8 and 9 are hated now. EP3 was considered a good film but somewhat clumsy , and could have been much much better. Also the prequels have a strange feel, which is not very Star Wars. The original trilogy were special, the Prequel Trilogy were band average and the Sequel trilogy is basically runny shit after eating a dodgy meal. I mean FFS Vader getting in his costume and the whole "Noooooooooo" crap end of Ep3, which they then went back and dubbed over the end of Return of the Jedi , when Vader chucks the Emperor down the shaft of the Death Star, that crap was added. Shit like that is just fucking terrible and makes Vader into some kind of cartoon character. 7-9 are just so bad people have forgotten how bad Ep1-3 are, I lived through it and remember it clearly, the hype pre, and the disappointment after. Just because something is fucking terrible, does not mean it makes something Average into something great

[@catandogclone7880]

That’s easy “it’s the best Star Wars movie” is the stupidest thing said

[@fabilord98]

It begins at calling this a movie.

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

Circular logic usually tastes that bad.

[@timewarpdrive77]

the real question is: Which is worse? TLJ or TROS?

[@blackRXrider]

But Star Wars theory said it was a good movie.

[@theblackbasketball]

TimeWarpDrive 77 TLJ because it messed up the story to a point where TROS was left to rely on fan service.

[@cobalt8828]

"Im all the sith." "Im all the jedi." Such a stupid line. And apparently all rey needs are 2 lightsabers to be able to deflect the force lightning. Smh

[@TheBrickBuildingEnthusiast]

Now remember young Jedi's. If you're trying to defeat the most powerful force user ever, don't use one lightsaber. That's stupid. Use two. It's much more effective and apparently means anyone can defeat an all powerful force user with just two lightsabers.

[@TheBrickBuildingEnthusiast]

And a cheesy comeback line. You can't forget that one.

[@Wolta]

Didn't even complete her training. Made her OP for no reason.

[@Abandonsoyciety]

@@Wolta pretty sure rey never trained at all

[@shadow-squid4872]

Don’t forget how it’s a outright ripoff of Avengers Endgames “I am... inevitable” and “And I am Iron Man” line.

[@thegoldsmithoverlord3124]

Imagine being a engineer developing a highly advanced planet killing star destroyer that cant even go up lol

[@elhaddad3435]

😂😂😂😂😂☠️ damn bruh

[@StsFiveOneLima]

Because Kathleen Kennedy is afraid of things which become erect or otherwise defy gravity. Scared little lezzie.

[@kamrankhan-sb9yt]

An*

[@thegoldsmithoverlord3124]

@@kamrankhan-sb9yt 😑

[@kamrankhan-sb9yt]

the goldsmith overlord basic english🤷🏽‍♂️

[@matthewcs490]

This might sound like I'm nitpicking, but it actually bothers me that throughout the sequel trilogy, the word “lightsaber” is only used twice! Disney calls it a “laser sword” or “saber”, which really takes away the mystical qualities of the weapon. Also, referring to a lightsaber as a “saber” significantly reduces how unique and special it is. “Saber” just makes it sound like a lightsaber is no different from any other sword. Just my opinion but for some odd reason this bothers me.

[@RobotHead]

I have a video on that you might enjoy 👍

[@matthewcs490]

@@RobotHead I've seen it multiple times! Disney really doesn't understand lightsabers, do they? Also, in the opening scene of TROS, Kylo Ren uses his lightsaber to push a mustafarian, as if the blade is solid and not made of light.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@matthewcs490 he pushes with the handle part kinda

[@maximmillions]

​@Matthew Cs I do like the idea of certain armors and metals being uncuttable to the normal.lightsaber slash..gives some unique fights to these Jedi..who aren't always supposed to be overpowered and win every fight through strength.

[@IstandwithIsrael236]

lol i literally have the concept art book bc i wanted to see how they made a movie so bad they literally say katheen had alot of interesting questions like "do lightsabers glow in the dark or what is force" thats a direct @@matthewcs490

[@dinostacherules2728]

As qui gon said. the ability to speak does not make you intelligent RYAN

[@williamblazo1871]

No offense but Rian*

[@Dicktopus]

@@williamblazo1871 No offense but J.J.

[@lordmogg-wright5467]

Upon rewatching TPM I can confirm that, although easy to miss, this was actually in the film.

[@mikewizz1895]

Lol XD

[@omma911]

The sequels are so fucking terrible, even the slightly less shitty prequels have better meme material.

[@MrSiegenfeldt]

The sequels are still just Luke having a bad dream, because he is a afraid Palpatine wasn't real dead.

[@tasneemahsan6849]

Let's just think of it that way

[@DraconicDuelist]

Hell, Palpatine _did_ clone himself in the comics. Except, he made himself young and strong again, and actually made sense.

[@MrSiegenfeldt]

@@DraconicDuelist Yeah, somebody told me that a few Weeks back, didn't knew it. JJ just took nibble at everthing and put it in..

[@dumbasswithinternetconnect1611]

That's why it was so ridiculous. Nobody wants to watch someone's fever dream.

[@MrSiegenfeldt]

@@dumbasswithinternetconnect1611 exactemundo!

[@DaScorpionSting]

“Don’t be afraid of who you are.” Proceeds to take the Skywalker name.

[@Comakino]

Get woke, go Snoke

[@lukeskywalker6809]

Rey: I’m a no one. You got that right, you damned Mary Sue, you!

[@Enzed_]

That's the thing that made me scratch my head. The movie doesn't even have a clear moral.

[@teslamid9923]

the movie would have been slightly better if she accepted she was a palpatine at the end instead of calling herself a skyealker

[@Fi_Sci_]

In all honesty Skywalker was the ideal name, and I doubt Rey would want the burden of constantly being harassed by others in the galaxy because of her true lineage. That is the equivalent to a descendant of a dictator calling themselves Rolf Hitler, it will only lead to unnecessary trouble.

[@epic_donut2.5]

My favorite thing about the starwars sequels is when Kylo is about to run over Ray and then his space ship blows up and he *survives*. Then later in the film you see him driving the same space ship haha Not only did he survive the space ship blowing up *The spaceship survive the space ship BLOWING UP*

[@epic_donut2.5]

@Gogani there was certain items only kylos Tie fighter had but I haven't seen the movie in a while so I can't recall what it was tbh But it was the same one lol

[@goganii]

@@epic_donut2.5 yeah it was, I misremembered, sorry

[@clankers8929]

Ridiculous editing?

[@flamewarden7526]

Cause there’s no way that the First Order could have, maybe, just possibly, rebuilt Kylo’s fighter. Nope, Fist Order can only build one of Kylo’s special fighters

[@thecyannarwhal5555]

Somehow, Kylo ren's Tie FIghter returned

[@wesleyfan55]

This is where the fun begins... -Anakin Skywalker

[@lancecurry7538]

"Let them pass between us!"

[@Soulfly415]

Sadly, this is where it ends... Star Wars is dead!

[@lancecurry7538]

@@Soulfly415 | Not if we pretend that nothing after ROTJ (except for The Mandalorian) happened.

[@drthdaddy]

Thanks

[@thebavariansidonithano9050]

General Shadow when I see a video like this I see the stupidness of the humanity.

[@makeitsonumberone1358]

What twisted my nipples was leia walkes straight past chewie and hugs rey, like wtf! You hardly know her!!!

[@babapambazuka2845]

the sole unifying theme of all 3 of these abortions is the consistency of shallowly-symbolic pageantry at the expense of well-established history.

[@zixiv3144]

@Major Problems lol

[@ZenMonkeyGod]

@Major Problems On the contrary I think that was more Luke and Han deciding that wasn't a great idea after his reaction to the handcuffs earlier. They don't detail it in the film but I've seen that theory floating around before and it makes perfect sense.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

@@ZenMonkeyGod I always through Chewbacca rejects any possessions that don't serve a purpose. That is why he does not seem to own anything but his gun and bandoleer.

[@AndieArbeit]

and then Leia Sings "Cheewie I Hardly Knew Ya!"

[@TrippaMazing87]

Honestly tho, if I wasn't a hardcore fan, didn't have eyes, couldn't speak English and was a fish from the 1500s, I might like the film.

[@wontrespond8064]

this comment is as bad as the movie Die Fähigkeit zu sprechen macht dich noch lange nicht Intelligent - Qui-Gong Jin

[@anti-dreamstansunited3391]

@@wontrespond8064 is it "The ability for you to speak does not make you intellegent"

[@wontrespond8064]

@@anti-dreamstansunited3391 yes my friend

[@anti-dreamstansunited3391]

@@wontrespond8064 nice reference

[@RSAnimism]

@@wontrespond8064 I mean... It would definitely make someone more intelligent, haha.

[@warpdriveby]

One GIGANTIC problem I haven't seen mentioned is: All those Palpatine clones completely shatter "the rule of two"! Wtf?

[@Leon-ok7xp]

Well even though the whole palpi clone thematic is weird, it wouldt break the rule of two, because it isnt like there are 100 palpi's running around, it more likely seems that if he dies, one clone takes his place and so on. The only issue in that regard is, that palpi would always be the master who "reincarnates" himself over and over, while actually the apprentice is meant to kill his master if he is strong enough to take his place.

[@maaskott]

Lore point : Palpatine never followed the Rule of Two -> Plaeguis was alive at the time of Ep1, yet Darth Maül -> At the time of the Empire, There was Vador, but there was Mara Jade (sorry, Thrawn + Jade = same trilogy of novels, they don't go separate ways. And even so : Imperial times, rule of two, but Inquisitors... Year, Palpy never cared about the Rule of Two

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

Palpatine abandoned the Rule of Two long ago. Darth Maul was still his apprentice even when Palpatine was an apprentice to Darth Plagueis. Count Dooku was his apprentice even though Darth Maul was still alive even if nobody knew it. I have no idea what Asajj Ventress was in the hierarchy of everything, she was kind of just a Sith affiliated assassin. Even Darth Plageuis didn’t really follow the Rule of Two. He was so utterly convinced of his own immortality that he was planning on killing Palpatine and instate his own Rule of One. There is no need for an apprentice when he is immortal.

[@CowsR4me]

"Buy it today or lose it forever" Strangely prophetic given how the theatrical releases have been hidden away forever.

[@popo0129]

I remember Disney did this for a lot of their movies when I was younger. Like they would advertise putting a movie in their vault and say "buy it before it's locked up forever!" Imagine they did the same with the ST. People would probably thank them.

[@hbdragon88]

@popo129 yep the Disney Vault strategy. It's worse with SW though because every major release (97, 04, 11, 19) has changes. The D+ one (4K) changed the Greedo scene yet AGAIN...and the 2011 has hideous bluish color grading.

[@popo0129]

@@hbdragon88 Yeah was watching the OT on Disney+ and I was so upset they used the latest changes. Ep 6 with Vader was ruined for me because of that cringe "no" he says in the end.

[@mpalfadel2008]

Fuckem I still have my copy of the Original Trilogy in THX (not special edition)

[@termeownator]

@@mpalfadel2008 best version of the Trilogy you can get, hands down. This side of harmy's and the like, at least. But I like this set better honestly. Picture's fantastic, cleaned up just the right amount; the only visual alteration is that the sabers absolutely fucking pop; and the sound? Unreal. Dial that thx shit up to 1138, it's still crisp and clear. Great set of tapes, even the packaging is the best I've seen; the half faces and color schemes, goddamn I'm gushing over this shit. I'm so glad I took the "...One Last Time" seriously. Dunno what I'll do when they finally give out, actually. Got a pit in my stomach now

[@TheSwolOne]

This channel is always so quality. If the only the sequels were as good.

[@jon4715]

Max Gubbins Mandalorian is mediocre and only good in comparison to the sequel trilogy

[@andrews4983]

I enjoyed the sequels as movies besides the last Jedi.....do I agree with the story line no not at all I think it’s shit and it should all be a dream

[@MARK-gp9hb]

"so quality"

[@jon4715]

@@andrews4983 Judged based on pure spectacle and enjoyment, the sequel trilogy is terrible. Even the Marvel movies, while way more competent are terrible compared to what the genre(?) can offer. Go back and watch the Indiana Jones movies, Back to the Future, Empire Strikes Back, Ghostbusters, etc. These are really well crafted entertainment/spectacles. Compare the way they are paced, plotted, acted, dialogue, action, etc. Just made by people who actually knew what they were doing.

[@jon4715]

Windigo Jones Come one, it's a pulpy b-movie type show. It's fun, but not great or amazing. Don't be foolish.

[@isleapyhunter7769]

The stupidest thing ever to defend the Sequel trilogy "There was no source material for us to copy from" Kathleen Kenedy, my friends Edit: thanks for the likes! I'll ask a question: what, in your opinion, is the stupidest thing ever said to defend the sequel trilogy? Please don't debate, or if you do, keep it nice and don't be rude and all that. I want all of your opinions here

[@lapplandkun9273]

that's hilarious, considering disney made the EU non canon

[@isleapyhunter7769]

@@lapplandkun9273 and that's why I say: it was also, the dumbest thing to do. Because they took stuff from the EU anyway. Remember cloning Jedi? That's in forced unleashed. Remember Palpatine? That's in a comic / novel series. A lot of the Jedi I remember reading the EU were women. but... all this isn't cannon.

[@LeeONardo]

@@isleapyhunter7769 Jedi Knight 2 was re released on PS4. Kyle Katarn is canon dammit and no moron at Disney can say otherwise!

[@jimslav6973]

The stupidest thing ever is, actually, to defend the prequels. Touchee.

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@jimslav6973 literally nobody said that, but you do you fam :)

[@urbex_coasters]

If you want Hux as a spy who "just wants Kylo Ren to loose", have him working for Palpatine. In that case, if you want to bring Palpatine back, have Hux be the one to do it. And maybe have Hux selectively leak to the resistance because Palpatine wants both the resistance and Kylo's first order gone. It's still not great but it's Citizen Kane compared to what JJ delivered (let's be honest, every movie that isn't Shamalan's Last Airbender movie is) being that it builds on the Kylo/Hux rivalry from TLJ in a logical way. Hux is the non-force user who wants to be emperor (seen when he was pulling his blaster on Kylo), if you want to bring Palpatine back Hux needs to be integral to it. The setup is actually there for it if you want that direction but JJ took the easy way out since he does bad remakes poorly disguised as sequals, and dammit his episode 9 was going to be a bad remake of Return of the Jedi whether it made sense or not.

[@Ziggy_Moonglow]

"just wants Kylo Ren to loose"- Not knowing the difference between 'loose' and 'lose' is SO lame! LOL

[@RevanReborn3950BBY]

@@Ziggy_Moonglow 1, It is entirely possible that OP isn’t a native speaker. 2, You’re really going to make fun of someone for a spelling error? You should get a life

[@Remix-pr4xd]

I like how in this movie Palpatine technically won. He caused the deaths of all the Skywalkers and took over their bloodline. Plus he probably took over Rey's body and buried the lightsabers at Tatooine as a final fu to the Skywalkers.

[@Tacid_Krios]

Thanks for the new headcanon

[@MariOmor1]

Burying Anakin's saber in *sand* is a massive sin

[@HelluvaOpp]

@@MariOmor1 Yes, because first of all, Anakin hates sand, and second of all, Anakin’s Weapon was the Legendary YOUNGLING-SLAYER 2000.

[@MariOmor1]

@@HelluvaOpp 9000*

[@maxcovfefe]

The bad guys won. All that healing stuff, that's the stuff Palpatine hinted that he was gonna teach Anakin - how to extend life, and nobody even had to teach Rey, like Luke said, she immediately goes dark. Palpatine won. Rey is darker than he ever was, she's just too innocent to realize it yet. She did exactly what he told her: "kill me." He's inside her (ew!) now and forever. She buried Luke's memory on Tattooine, the LAST place Luke woulda ever wanted to end up. I could practically hear Palpatine laughing as the credits rolled.

[@zerogravity8982]

What Film is he talking about? There are only 6 Star Wars Movies...

[@flyinggoat9599]

Wut about the spin-offs? Solo or rogue one?

[@satchelmouth1]

And no 1,2 and 3 are already horrible.

[@adityabhalekar3506]

@@satchelmouth1 1,2 are ok , 3 is great

[@BranyFather]

@@satchelmouth1 3 is a great movie the other two are ok better then these new 3 movies

[@nicobaur3076]

@@satchelmouth1 stand alone yeah I agree except 3. But with clone wars their really good I still think people needed more context to make them good and honestly clone wars made me much more interested in the story of the republic and the separatists than the whole empire storyline

[@Im_Mr_Cole]

She's not a Skywalker. Full stop.

[@DaScorpionSting]

She’s a Mary Sue.

[@Urdnot_Wrex_Fan]

R2 deserves to be a Skywalker more he met all of them and was there for over 60 years

[@darkmistico]

@@Urdnot_Wrex_Fan but he got stole by rei.. like bb8 .. she never return back to poe .. and never ask for it .. just because she has a vayeiyei

[@Urdnot_Wrex_Fan]

@@darkmistico rey is the biggest theif Anakin's lightsaber, bb8, precious screentime, and the Skywalker name

[@RoninDave]

@@DaScorpionSting I got temp banned from a FB Star Wars page for using that term

[@lucifernazaedi]

I’ll be honest, the thing that annoyed me the most about all three of these movies: They kept calling Anakin’s lightsaber Luke’s lightsaber

[@Rlflfofofoekekekrk]

They sell it in the stores as „Reys Lightsaber“

[@Boldard]

Who cares how they call it wtf, I mean you already know it was Anakin's lightsaber but now Anakin is dead so it becomes Luke's since, you know, he's the current possessor of it (seems logic to me)

[@lucifernazaedi]

@@Boldard Sorry I offended you.. (not really)

[@Boldard]

@@lucifernazaedi No offense whatsoever, I'm just saying you shouldn't be so annoyed about a small detail like this, and that there's nothing inherently wrong with naming an item after its current owner. We call the Millennium Falcon "Han Solo's Millennium Falcon", and not "Lando's Millennium Falcon" even if Lando had this ship before Han Solo. See what I mean?

[@arandil1]

...when they should have just called it the Skywalker saber... it was a family heirloom. If they weren't so damn eager to kill the Skywalkers off, it could have ended in Ben's hands... and a potential redemption arc for the character. Just bad writing and poor foresight.

[@dethspud]

"JJ is the terrible cover band version of a scriptwriter". Nailed it.

[@vernusred4757]

I have one small question for people who hate Sequels why are you watching them if you don't like them. Gosh I mean you make yourself look like stupid 9 year old kid's who play Fortnite.

[@anti-dreamstansunited3391]

@@vernusred4757 I must say, I don't like the sequels, but what you are saying is correct, there are a lot of people hating on the sequels just for the sake of hating it, but then again, there are also a lot of sequels fan that keeps hating on the Prequels and even the Original, sometimes you jist gotta accept it, that there will always be people who acts like this.

[@will2brown50]

@@vernusred4757 because we are fans of star wars who have seen the franchise get pissed on for quick cash grabs

[@stoneymahoney9106]

@@vernusred4757 "why are you watching them if you don't like them." 1) What is wrong with your brain that makes you think we didn't all WANT to like it? 2) Legitimately not liking a film for any reason other than 'I heard it was crap' kinda requires that you.... y'know.... watch it. I'd say both of those were painfully obvious to everyone not you, but I guess acknowledging those simple facts means you don't get to spend another day writing condescendingly-toned, intelligence-free comments on KZbin.

[@MeatCatCheesyBlaster]

I doubt he actually writes them. He probably wrote the plot on a napkin and someone else had to finish it

[@luckylanno]

Another annoying thing that people don't seem to talk about: Palpatine zapped himself on purpose in the prequels to make himself look pathetic, so Anakin would feel moved to help him. He did it in the sequels... because he's dumb?

[@SumDumGy]

Dumbass zaps himself in all three trilogies. Dude don’t know how to shut off his flow.

[@ThrawnSr]

@@SumDumGy He didn't want to damage his force prostate by cutting off mid stream.

[@ИванСнежков-з9й]

In the RoS, Palpatine wanted Ray to kill him, so he could posses her body. That's why he didn't stop shooting lightning, he wanted to trick Ray into killing him, and she did. It was all part of the plan.

[@fegeleinherman8587]

@@ИванСнежков-з9й well idk but knowing it's a bad ending is actually make me feel better

[@luckylanno]

@@ИванСнежков-з9й So Rey is actually evil at the end? What a twist...???

[@ondranemcik6627]

VII: A New New Hope VIII: First Order Strikes Back IX: Return of Return of the Jedi

[@candyhochstmann4632]

IX: the death of a franchise

[@tonyaughney8945]

You have VII twice.

[@ondranemcik6627]

@@tonyaughney8945 thanks

[@AKUJIVALDO]

VIII: Empire Strikes Back, Again...

[@mattyskilling4522]

How about - IX: The Return of the Jedi Returns

[@smittywerbenjagermanjenson1095]

"Talent without training is nothing" - Luke

[@wall4215]

Talent

[@smittywerbenjagermanjenson1095]

@@wall4215 Sure, i mean this in Rey though. Her Power just doesnt make sense lol

[@clankers8929]

Why the Rey character was nothing

[@nothankyooo]

Rey does quite a bit of training, shown in the movies

[@smittywerbenjagermanjenson1095]

@@nothankyooo Swinging a saber around, doing some jumps over gorge, and snagging some red string doesnt equal training. It takes years to master and go through. "If the way of the Jedi were easy there'd be millions of us instead of dozens"

[@VelvetMagician]

1:55 That’s like saying “Somehow Hitler returned”

[@KneelB4Bacon]

" . . . and the Third Reich has nukes. Win the war!"

[@VelvetMagician]

Robo I feel ya xd

[@VelvetMagician]

Catzilla The First Order vs The Third Reich, sounds like a movie that could be better than the Rise Of Garbage

[@Daniel.RF.Davidson]

AND he`s been building a secret navy with HUNDREDS of nuked equipped battleships, all hidden in a secret sea which you can only get to with a special MAP! So hell, I don`t know how all them engineers who built the ships got there. But yeah, he`s back!

[@KneelB4Bacon]

@@VelvetMagician I was mostly wondering, "why does he sound so cheerful? He's just delivered some REALLY bad news." Also, what was the point of that ridiculous data cable connection to R2? When we see the briefing later on, Po only tells us a couple of things: 1) Palpatine is alive. 2) He's building a fleet on Exogol 3) We don't know where Exogol IS. 4) He going to attack in 16 hours. That's it. Bollio could have written those four sentences down on a piece of paper, wrapped it around a rock and thrown it down the hatch to Po.

[@syna6622]

Fans: how did palpatine come back?!? JJ: tHe FoRcE

[@hebthealien]

JJ really did explain how Palps came back with a prequel meme. As much as I love those, you can do better JJ by GIVING AN EXPLANATION

[@Del-Dokan]

@@hebthealien "Dark science...cloning...secrets only the Sith knew."

[@hebthealien]

@@Del-Dokan that guy (and everyone else in the room) must've slept in his galactic history class

[@hebthealien]

@@Del-Dokan Like JJ did you even watch EPISODE 2 TITLED "ATTACK OF THE CLONES" like even if you hate the prequels, THE CLONE WARS was mentioned in A NEW HOPE there's no excuse

[@Del-Dokan]

@@hebthealien Ok, not trying to be rude or anything but...what's your point?

[@VideoAmericanStyle]

Never forget, folks: they had 40 years to get this right. 40 years. And this is what was released. That’s the most painful part of all: the missed opportunity.

[@Turbulation1]

Ever since disney bought star wars in 2012 they had essentially 7 years to get the movie right

[@dracometeors3010]

@@Turbulation1 they used all to ruin...

[@whosaidthat84]

I remember reading Luke's name on the crawl in Force Awakens. I got chills! I was like "HOLY shit luke is really back!!" Aaaaaand then we got Last Jedi.....

[@THE16THPHANTOM]

they didn't have 40 years. the story was presumed done. nothing left to get right. until -the fire nation- -Disney- Bob Iger came along all high from how he hit the jackpot with marvel's potential. he was right of course but his mistake was the people he put in charge.

[@hellgezeren2511]

SW is ruined forever.

[@zaxxon4]

The solution to "The Last Ryan Johnson Film I Ever Watch" would be to skip the opening crawl, and cold open with Luke waking up screaming. Then telling Mara that he had the stupidest dream.

[@Samuelisakson]

Thatd be awesome

[@spencertherren6806]

And Grand Admiral Thrawn is the antagonist.

[@Voidling242]

How about an alternate reality someone sees in the world between worlds or something.

[@ebenezerberty9032]

I missed that Robot Head voice scrutinizing Star Wars sequels.

[@JinxAnarchyEntity]

How can you not? The sequels may not be, but this video is definitely a masterpiece

[@planetdisco4821]

My biggest issue with these movies is that they had the chance to get the entire original cast together in one scene and they utterly blew it.

[@FBI-ju5no]

Plot hole: So the idea is that Luke overused the force, and it killed him, likewise with Leia. In Fallen Order, didn't Vader hold back an OCEAN, while underwater? Why didn't he die? He'll he was half dead as it was.

[@yoshithebear7630]

Because JJ has no clue on how the force works.

[@fersho450]

luke literally could use the force the way he did in a constant way for 5 years before struggling a bit. i mean yoda kept using until his dead in episode 6: -in rebels he uses the same skill as luke to talk to ezra and see ahsoka in some point, and didn´t die

[@davethepak]

If you are looking for plot holes, you will be here a while.... This dumpster fire of movies makes a transformers movie look like dramatic literature.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

Han: That's not how the force works!

[@adityabhalekar3506]

in this same movie, palpatine raises hundreds of STAR DESTROYERS, and breaks the GROUND while doing it

[@billyblood8993]

"Somehow, Germany returned" -The Allies, 1939

[@kacperthegamer4556]

"Surprised gasp made by random soldier in the background"

[@justforever96]

Germany wasn't thrown down a reactor shaft in 1919. It was well known how they came back into power and what motivated them. People warned that would happen in 1919.

[@allanorme2093]

"This is where the fun begins" -FDR

[@user-cv6kj9cl6w]

Jar Jar Binks had more of a character arc than Rey. Change my mind

[@CuppaTeaExe]

Jar Jar- From being cast out from his people, to helping jedi, to becoming a senator Rey- Unstoppable, to...yeah you’re right

[@aldrydd1]

Jar Jar is a legend.

[@lordporpoise8761]

Jar Jar: Goes from a gungan who was kicked out of his home town to a senator (I think, something like that anyway) who had to make meaningful choices and eventually had a hand in giving over power to palpatine. In other words, actually has an arc and contributes to the plot. Rey: Starts out as a mary sue with a personality that makes Boss Nass seem like a deep character. Goes into TLJ as an edgy teen who is actually a fully grown adult who disrespects and literally assaults one of the galaxy's greatest ever heroes. Ends up in ROS with the personality of a sith, yet is "All of the jedi" and eventually steals Luke's identity and home, after fulfilling palpatine's promise of her killing him, which should have caused her to be possessed by him or whatever bullshit JJ was selling at the time. I guess it's technically development? In the same way that taking a piece of art and smearing shit over it is "developing" it.

[@CallMeMrRook]

I will never change your mind on this fine point

[@G360LIVE]

@@lordporpoise8761 Simply moving a character from one role to another is not character development. What did Jar Jar learn? What did he struggle with? What are his motivations, and what makes him have these motivations? Jar Jar isn't a good character; he's pretty much comparable to Finn except Finn can be less annoying and clown-ish most of the time. The Prequels are just as badly written as the Sequels; they're just bad in different ways.

[@danielpicciotti2473]

The only thing Rey did in the whole trilogy that made sense was Rey's parkour. At least she grew up climbing around imperial ships and stripping for parts

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

For me the fight at the end of TFA was good, because aside from Rey's sudden surges of force competence the combatants show what you'd expect from a fight between a former soldier with basic melee training, a parkourist who picked up some staff tricks for self defense and a seriously injured, mentally unstable and tremendously pissed off knight. The later movies have no such excuse, though the throne room fight was fun to watch. XD

[@VitaminXism]

@@matthewbreytenbach4483 throne room was an embarrassment to the series

[@kidfox3971]

Me when episode 8 came out: "They suck now?" Me when episode 9 came out: "They suck now."

[@dracometeors3010]

Me at end of episode 7 'will the all suck ?...' At end of 9 'Oh, yes'

[@jimmyboy131]

That was me while watching episode 7.

[@dumbasswithinternetconnect1611]

I mean, seven sorta had a plot

[@emirbarut6060]

7 was best in the sequel triology but worse than other ones

[@WesthamJack0]

@@dumbasswithinternetconnect1611 yeah, the plot of a new hope lmao

[@koalemos27yearsago6]

I love how even the cast hated this movie

[@FinalPlot]

Why do I feel like a 9 year old could write a more entertaining movie then these clowns?

[@hariman7727]

Because a kid under 9 wrote axe cop and people like axe cop?

[@lukeskywalker6809]

Because you’re right.

[@basteala525]

I mean a 13 year old (I think 13?) wrote Eregon (not the movie), and that apparently did pretty well for a while. So statistically speaking, you're not too far off.

[@MrTroll9795]

Because a 9 year-old would actually have a soul unlike these corporate producers

[@divergenttardis7378]

Because a child's imagination and creativity does not bow to corporate demands and expectations.

[@nightwishfan1991]

Others: "J.J. couldn't fix this mess." Me: Of course, he's the one that broke the damn thing in the beginning.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

I still don't understand how people can miss that.

[@skirk248]

@@naamadossantossilva4736 nostalgia is a very powerful thing

[@harrambou9468]

everyone seems to forget how stupid The Force Awakens was

[@maxs-lz4pn]

@@harrambou9468 it was the "best" out of the three steaming puddles of shit we got

[@VladMcCain]

I agree nightwishfan I quit at farce awakens.

[@khathaway414]

Lets just all agree that JJ is horrible, and this isn't Star Wars.

[@DaScorpionSting]

It’s all a nightmare Luke had and he explains it to his wife Mara Jade who tells him to focus on his family and training their son Ben.

[@getrekskrub]

its not canon really since george lucas said this wasnt how the sequels were supposed to turn out so its basically a giant fan fiction

[@khathaway414]

@@getrekskrub Bad fan fiction at that.

[@getrekskrub]

K Hathaway I think we can all agree on that

[@SeekerLancer]

If the leaks from Disney end up being true it looks like that's exactly what everyone is going to do.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

It feels like the movies felt the need to sideline the old characters, because they would outshine the new characters. But that just shows how little faith the movies had into their characters.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Never paid to watch the sequel trilogy, and I still feel robbed.

[@adamheywood113]

I could have seen them for free if I'd chosen, but I didn't, and I still want my time and money back.

[@thewatchersdidnothingwrong7702]

Same

[@TheRobloxianTacoLord]

Imagine how George feels.

[@amicus2844]

@@TheRobloxianTacoLord rich?

[@playerone6995]

@@thewatchersdidnothingwrong7702 Hello there

[@honilock577]

I cried when she said she was a Skywalker.. I genuinely cried. And when we got out of the cinema there was no usual chatter about the cool scenes.. Everyone was silent and went home having experienced something so bad it made my grandma's death two months prior feel better

[@N0TYALC]

Jesus Christ dude. It’s a shitty movie. You should be thanking Disney for ruining the franchise if you were that obsessed

[@amayreka]

I cried also, but because they butchered star wars

[@Levi-rc8kh]

@@N0TYALC First, How TF is the franchise ruined for you just because of the sequels? All you have to do is pretend that the trilogy was just a bad dream and consume LITERALLY any other Star Wars media. Not that hard. Also, there is this misconception that Disney is the one responsible for the terrible writing of the sequel trilogy. No, it's the fault of the actual writers of most of those movies: JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson, and Chris Terrio. And in case you didn't know, Mandalorian, Rogue One, and the animated shows are a thing. That is just evidence that further proves that the actual Disney company is not at fault here.

[@datboy038]

@@Levi-rc8kh you forgot to mention Kathleen Kennedy

[@brianty6676]

I didn't - because I wasn't paying to support any of that garbage. Your money empowers people like Kathleen Kennedy to continue destroying the brand and dumping on the fan base.

[@julien8629]

Looks like [ROBOT HEAD] is back on the menu boys!

[@SCHMALLZZZ]

Gondor has no pants. Gondor needs no pants.

[@mondlit]

LOTR, nice!

[@gunnar6674]

How do orcs know what a menu is?

[@Composer19691]

Gunnar René Øie ...Lol!

[@gunnar6674]

@@Composer19691 It's an older joke, but it checks out.

[@Thorrnn]

I distinctly recall finding out jj Abrams was going to be directing and executive producing the sequels and thinking to myself: “I’ve got a bad feeling about this”

[@Fiasco3]

Me too, after seeing what he did with Star Trek and Lost. I didn't see him putting together a solid plot driven story/movie.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

His Star Trek movies were such trash. They had absolutely nothing to do with Star Trek.

[@tlrlml]

I tried to warn people... but somehow, the guy who ruined Star Trek, was the best thing that could ever happen to Star Wars... That's when you wait for the ... How did that work out for you?

[@jakeapplegate6642]

“Why bring back the emperor when you have rose?” Rotfl I’m dying! Rose is totally a villain.

[@zainAhmed144]

Can we all just agree that the last 3 star wars movies never happenned

[@vernusred4757]

No because they are Canon like you them or not they are Canon and it's official.

[@Headless_Bill]

@@vernusred4757 Which begs the question, how bad, how non-sensical, how universe-breakingly terrible does something have to be in order for it to no longer be canonical? Most people would agree that cinema is the most canonical; topping tv, videogame, book, or other media. However, if a crew of a thousand people make a production that millions and millions of people despise, does it still count as canon? What about Reboots? Which one is the real canon then? Which Total Recall is the actual Total Recall? Is the Star Wars Holiday Special canon? If a single entity / company (like Disney) can make a massive amount of non-film content non-canonical, why can't millions of people make that same decision for themselves, regardless of the media that it exists in? I'm not saying I'm right, but I'm just going to say that it's okay if people make an honest decision with themselves to not recognize these as canonical.

[@eziosblade3]

@@vernusred4757 no they are not, and I will fight to the death with any moron that thinks that

[@toshi6855]

@@vernusred4757 the sequels are as good as your grammar

[@gunjantripathi3340]

yes

[@albertpacella1846]

Eight and Nine aren’t canon for me. Anakin is still the redeemed Jedi. The first order was just an imperial remnant that was destroyed along with starkiller base, and Luke starts a new Jedi academy, his first student is Rey.

[@mcnuggetthecool2517]

That's a comforting thought

[@hopelesssituationwarrior6996]

And in your headcannon, what happens to Snoke and Kylo? I'm always interested in what if versions of these terrible movies.

[@froyerthedestroyer6756]

His first student should be Grogu. Completely erase Rey

[@albertpacella1846]

@@hopelesssituationwarrior6996 I’m not saying nine and eight can’t happen, I’m just saying the way they did is not canon to me. Maybe in eight and nine, there could be a massive galaxy wide conflict between snoke and the Republic, rather than the same rebel vs larger evil force story

[@ZenMonkeyGod]

Just like that, you just wrote a better plot for the entire trilogy.

[@bleughbloop8569]

honestly, hux being a traitor was an interesting idea. The reason was in character for him; its believable that someone so petty could be in his position, and the moment was right for setting up the suspense of "well shit the heroes aren't getting out of this one"... then he just gets shot for a cheap "laugh", thus ending a potentially interesting conflict/alignment of interests, and reducing the whole thing to a shitty dues ex machina...

[@shadowscythes]

It made no sense though, he literally gave the speech and ordered Starkiller Base to fire and destroy multiple planets, and then they expect us to just take him as being a "spy"? I don't think so

[@RevanReborn3950BBY]

@@shadowscythesit’s more of a situation where he no longer aligns himself with the first order, he’s still evil, he just doesn’t like the first order anymore

[@RogueFox2185]

The most tragic moment in TROS is without a doubt that Rey Skywalker scene, my god that was so cringe.

[@kgbcccp8180]

Wouldve been much better if she wouldve "clean" the Name palpatine and accepted her identidy.

[@lancecurry7538]

No, it was when Rey killed Palpatine. That literally ruined the prophecy of the Chosen One in a millisecond.

[@RogueFox2185]

It was already ruined when we saw that opening scene, but that scene is definitely the runner up for the worst moment in the movie.

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@RogueFox2185 "I am all of the Jedi"?

[@RogueFox2185]

Oh yeah that moment which solidified Rey being a Mary Sue to even her biggest defenders and the normies, I actually repressed that one.

[@Starius2]

no.... I think the stupidest thing said for rise of skywalker went back a couple years now with a "HEY GUIYZE! i haz an idea for a starwars trilogy!" ~ Kathleen Kennedy.

[@FerutElCampeador]

but she didnt had any idea other than money

[@Starius2]

@@FerutElCampeador exactly. it was an exploitation of an older generation fan base and their wallets, all because they wanted to share something that was special to them with their kids, like their parents did for them.... and it's so disheartening to see if happen.

[@carlsiouxfalls]

You forgot the next line: "My idea is to get JJ involved."

[@alan.smitheeee]

I think the first mistake was Lucas appointing her as the 'keeper of the flame'. They expected her to be a Kevin Feige for the SW universe. She was just a producer/assitant that got lucky.

[@Roundhead75]

I cant believe i have not even botherd to watch TROS.. I had every toy and grow up with starwars and now im not even excited for it.... Thanks disney

[@averageinternettroll]

And you missed nothing...

[@gmfb521]

Same.

[@syna6622]

I only became a fan about two years ago after seeing general grievous and Kenobi one of the coolest thing i’ve ever seen then i saw the sequels, the force awakens was bad but it could turn okay then i saw tit sucking luke killing a kid doing absolutely nothing bad, i was so disappointed

[@cookiecookie88729]

You can be proud of you. Don't give money to those hacks, that's the only thing they understand

[@Wolta]

Yeah, I'm glad I didn't pay to see that movie. Downloaded and watched. Sucked balls. The only saving grace was the CGI on the 4k TV.

[@BrookieSmallz]

The chance to have the OG crew all in the same room…talking and remembering the battles they faced and how to apply their knowledge to the new cast….and it never happened. How could you not think that’s what EVERY fan wanted to see?…

[@Soup-man]

I remember being 9 or 10 years old anticipating the sequel trilogy, and then I watched TFA and thought that it was alright until I realized "Wait, this is just Episode IV again. I already have it on Blu-Ray." I didn't care for Rey at all in it. Finn seemed interesting until they destroyed his character in the next two movies by making him a simp for the character that I didn't care for at all. I would've loved to see a rogue stormtrooper go on a journey to become a Jedi. Then I waited two years for TLJ. I watched and was bored out of my mind. Then I realized that it was complete dogshit. By the time Rise of Skywalker came, out it was close to my birthday. My parents asked: "Do you want to see the new Star Wars?" And I said "No." I am glad that I voted with my wallet and didn't see it in theaters. My parents decided to get Disney+, and then I said "well it's already paid for, so I might as well". I watched it and I loathed Rise of Skywalker in its entirety. I hated the plot. I hated the characters. And I hated the inconsistency with the previous eight films. Hell, it wasn't even consistent with itself. Somehow Rey survives healing Ben Solo, but when Ben heals Rey HE FUCKING DIES! Someone, please explain that to me? I don't care for Star Wars anymore, except for Mandalorian. I would say Clone Wars, but that's over now. It saddens me that I was only able to love the true Star Wars from age 7 to 9 or 10. That's around 2-3 years of it.

[@katofdarkcrest]

there are only 6 star wars films. the OT and the PT the PT were mishandled but still fit in with the greater universe. the ST starts off with destroying/neutering everything the Legacy characters accomplished by starting the trilogy off for the most part right where episode 4 started with the rebels(resistance) and the Empire(first Order). All because JJ Abrams is a talentless hack who couldn't tell an original story if his life depended on it. so he blatantly rips off the material of those more talented than him liberally tosses around his mystery boxes that go nowhere and fires up his lens flare generator to distract people long enough to get big box office money on a movie with zero re-watch value

[@cube4547]

I really don't see the sequel trilogy as Canon, what makes it canon anyways? Just because the producers say so and have the rights? I mean, yeah? It's supposed to, but for me, it's just not how it works, for me something Canon will always be something that comes from the original Creator's mind or anyone that had a connection with him (probably with his supervision) and is approved in every way by him

[@StarWarsomania]

Hey kiddo, just do what I do - enjoy 1-6 and pretend none of the rest ever happened. We all very successfully ignored the fever-dream that was the Star Wars Christmas special since the late 70s.

[@joebomb1019]

@@katofdarkcrest The PT had the massive advantage of leaving a huge world behind for other creators to build in, as opposed to holes that needed to be filled. The PT opened doors for dozens of books and the clone wars show, but the sequel trilogy used books as an excuse to fill any plot holes that fans noticed.

[@Simone-xe9cw]

So Leia needs training but Rey does tricks and stuff out of the blue. Ok.

[@ZXPhazze]

Growing up alone in a hostile planet as an orphan girl should taught anyone more than one trick in order to survive, don't you think?

[@Simone-xe9cw]

@@ZXPhazze tricks yes many, maybe, but the force's always been treated like some legendary cult that doesn't even exist so it's unlikely Rey could do any of that stuff.

[@A-Rather-Dubious-Character]

@@ZXPhazze Then I guess everyone on a dangerous planet should be able to use the force easily, use a lightsaber (something that can fucking kill you if you so much as TAP yourself with it.) with no problems with it at all, hell it looks quite simple. Survive on a shitty world, become the next savior of the galaxy. And have a convenient backstory that shoehorns and covers your blank development as a character.

[@adityabhalekar3506]

@@ZXPhazze oh yes. I guess Anakin should've been a really powerful Jedi without training then

[@josephray6264]

@@ZXPhazze they didn't show us why did she get there, no training scene, able to beat finn (he had some training cuz hes a soldier), annnd flies a plane better that someone owns it for years

[@travissloan5296]

The worst part of rise of skywalker is that kylo just forgives himself with a hallucination of his father for killing his father...

[@flankspeed]

That makes him sound almost like Jesus. But in reverse.

[@basteala525]

Eh. I didn't mind that given the circumstances. If he had truly come back to the light, he'd know: do what has to now, self pity later. Trouble is that he died, so we never have a chance to really see him wrestle with it. It still could have been done better, but Ren for me is the least offensive part of a horribly offensive sequel.

[@kungolaf4499]

@@basteala525 Why do people *want* to see this trilogy as offensive? It comes really down to attitude how much headache these movies give you... It is entertainment after all. If it doesn't entertain you, we shouldn't dwell on it.

[@lucasbachmann]

@@kungolaf4499 because there's a bigger story that WAS entertaining it is ruining. And that reason applies to disappointing entries in other franchises too.

[@basteala525]

@@kungolaf4499 I , personally never *want* to be offended by anything, never mind a movie trilogy. Can't speak for anyone else. The reason why I *am* offended by the trilogy, personally, comes down to a few factors: 1) Like others said, it really shits on the previous stories that I knew and loved. TLJ had me down on the Sequels, but it was easier to ignore overall. RoS is harder to because it ultimately trivializes 5 good movies...and Phantom Menace. 2) This may be more personal for me, but I love a good female lead. They're so rare in Star Wars so when I saw the elements in Force Awakened with potential, albeit some spots that needed to be ironed out, I was excited. But I also have a high standard for such characters and Rey fails in every way. 3) Rise of Skywalker itself is an amalgam of all the things I disliked in the Sequels. The rushed narrative, the creative drought, the ass-pulls Lucasfilm calls plot twists, the overpowered main character who either overcomes an obstacle in two minutes of screen time, or crumbles under the pressure and gives up, undercooked, unrealized plot threads, and an absolute lack of respect for continuity. Finally, in the grand scheme of things, I'm not upset the Sequels sucked every moment of my life--trust me, there's plenty in 2020 that's more pressing to be upset about, lol. It doesn't change the fact that when I see the subject brought up that it's going to bring up bitter feelings, though. Let's be real. We turn to entertainment to get away from bullshit. We like stability and nostalgia and will stick to sources of entertain that have come through for us over many years. That's normal. When that industry fails you, and if it negates the achievements of the past, it's going to hurt, a lot. Baseball fans probably feel that way during the whole covid situation, or Astros fans that found out their team cheated, and ruined their championship legacy. It's just how we are as people.

[@Kelp4brains]

The idea about Luke projecting himself from a Jedi temple while raising Jedi is insane, makes me sad thinking about the direction they took instead

[@williamrhenquist483]

“This isn’t fixing anything. This is just reminding me of The Last Jedi. And I don’t like that feeling.” ROFLMAO

[@golfball_diver]

That's what happens when your paycheck has more value to you than the franchise itself. great video

[@DaScorpionSting]

Absolutely!

[@CuppaTeaExe]

It wasn’t impossible for someone to make episode 9 better. (I am in no way defending JJ or Rian) The original script for episode 9 “Duel of the Fates” was quite good

[@lars9925]

@@PrehKnight Yes, something mediocre or even bad seems to be good in the light of something much worse.

[@kev._._._.]

What pissed me off was the reason they fired the dude who was supposed to do ep ix was because Carrie died before they could start production, yet they hired jj and expected him to be able to bring Leia back

[@jebthegodemperor7301]

Obviously it wasn't perfect, but it was inspired and had several great concepts that built off the story we were given.

[@gaw6352]

I'm a window cleaner and I couldvd made a better 9

[@ThiccOleCat]

I thought 9 was gonna show that Snoke was actually projecting himself when he got killed in 8 in order to test Kylo's loyalty, unfortunately it was stupider than that.

[@versecontro4898]

That woulda been WAY better. Personally i was on the side of plagues somehow being the mastermind.

[@herasmoramirez6431]

You got the title wrong, it's "The Rise of Palpatine"

[@joeyk107]

Someone on yt made an edit to episode 9 called the rise of palpatine, it is way more entertaining and hilarious than the rise of skywalker

[@zeke7972]

Would've been better

[@KenMabie]

no its Rise of Ma-REEEEEEEEY Sue

[@frocat5163]

I prefer _The Ruse of Soywoker._

[@disaster_melon]

“Rey Skywa-“ *no, i can’t watch any more*

[@anti-dreamstansunited3391]

STAR WARS ST RETITLED 7: THE FORCED AWOKENS 8: THE LAST TIME I'LL WATCH SW DISNEY 9: THE RISE OF PLOTHOLES

[@josephbeckett2330]

I prefere The Farce Awokens The Leastest Jedi Ever The Rinsing Off of the Skywalker

[@corpsedesecrator2612]

I rename it as the Hate Fiction Trilogy 7. The Fake Awokens 8. The Last Nail in the Coffin of SW 9. The Rape of Skywalker

[@shreklordofogres6508]

@@corpsedesecrator2612 the rape of skywalker lmfao

[@Levi-rc8kh]

"The last time I'll watch SW Disney"? What about Mandalorian, the animated shows, and Rogue One? What I think that you and many people don't realize is that Disney merely has the rights to the property of Star Wars. They aren't responsible for the terrible writing of the sequel trilogy. Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams are to blame for that.

[@ZenMonkeyGod]

@@Levi-rc8kh Exactly. The quality is night and day. Those seem to be generally overshadowed by this horrendous sequel trilogy when in reality those are some of the greatest entries Star Wars has ever had.

[@lostsoldier212]

Again, so happy these videos are coming back into my algorithm again. I had almost forgotten how incredibly bad this whole Disney-Lucas Fanfiction failure was. I am fully aware of how bad JarJar Abrams is as a "creative" but hearing this all again is still very insightful. I really hate, hate, HATE that they brought back the Emperor.

[@Cheesehead_Caleb]

I agree with everything you said here. Last jedi was terrible, but rise of Skywalker made everything so much worse

[@vernusred4757]

No u

[@dexterjettster3683]

It made the entire saga worse

[@yoshithebear7630]

@@vernusred4757 what?

[@elwick7268]

I appreciate the last Jedi tried something different but it didn’t work despite that I kinda like it

[@lvdsw5911]

Ewww ur a packer fan skol

[@axios4702]

"You cant clone a jedi!" -Jedi master Rahm Kota. In the expanded universe Disney conveniently murdered.

[@katofdarkcrest]

exactly clones of force sensitives are not mentally stable and have great trouble controlling their force abilities

[@joeyk107]

@@katofdarkcrest I think in the rise of skywalker book it is explained that barely any of palpatine's clones survived, other than the weak body that became his son/rey's dad, as well as the form we see palpatine in in the rise of skywalker. Not defending the rise of skywalker, but they may have taken inspiration from TFU2

[@uberd3323]

Rahm Kota Trains a cloned Jedi in Star Wars Battlefront Elite Squadron so I guess he was just full of crap when he said that

[@joeyk107]

@@uberd3323 sorry I thought that was in the force unleashed 2 not battlefront?

[@uberd3323]

Joey Kessler The fact that theres multiple instances where Kota trains cloned Jedi just makes that quote even less impactful lmao. In SWBES he trains a clone of a Jedi by the name of X-2 who served with clone troopers and helped Obi Wan and Anakin during the battle of Coruscant by commandeering a seperatist battleship and taking out turrets on Grievous's flagship. Never played the Force Unleashed games but it doesnt surprise me that they cloned the protagonist in the sequel. I feel like I should mention that Im not defending the Palpatine/Snoke thing btw.

[@brendanogrady2638]

You nailed it with: "spectacle instead of story". That really sums up all three films.

[@Ziggy_Moonglow]

And, pretty much, all of Hollywood.

[@Fulphilment]

JJ belongs in the same league as Michael Bay. To quote South Park "these are not ideas, these are special effects".

[@skeletorrobo]

I have those old Starwars VHS tapes. I don't have the sequel trilogy on anything. I am complete.

[@Arander92]

Gandalf: Keep them secret. Keep them safe!

[@benmcmahon4167]

He’s back boys!!!

[@DippyDuck2018]

Yesssssss!

[@darkmistico]

he back

[@thebavariansidonithano9050]

Oh hell Na!

[@thebavariansidonithano9050]

@aligator stuff I meant oh hell na to the fact, that he's back.

[@liamedwards9793]

If I was gonna attempt to make episode 9 I would have made the knights of ren the villain instead of sidious

[@RobotHead]

Way better idea

[@aldrydd1]

They just threw Return of the Jedi out the door

[@liamedwards9793]

Gaius Wyrden and menacingly stood on a sandy cliff

[@annatar9365]

That would not change this garbage trilogy.

[@Lockn3s5]

The villain should have been Kylo and he should have followed through with his arc of destroying the Sith AND the Jedi while building something new using the Knights of Ren

[@stevenburnett9101]

Aren't jedis trained from an incredibly young age to believe a peacekeeping philosophy? By that thought, Rey is nothing but a child playing with toys compared to the old masters.

[@DinoGoodley]

My boi General Hux was so badly handled.

[@StarWarsomania]

Remember when Star Trek: Deep Space Nine spent _two seasons_ building up to one of the high-ups in a space war switching allegiances? (spoilers) You didn't like the guy to begin with, given he murdered a teenage girl whose only crime was trying to save her friends. And you only ever saw him planning the annihilation of the Good Guys, so you didn't really like anything he was doing. But you did feel some sympathy for the situation he found himself in. And so when he finally got to the point of saying "Fuuuuck this!" you knew where he was coming from and you were rooting for him. General Hux could have been given a legitimate reason to switch allegiances and spy for the Resista-Rebels. 3 movies versus 52 episodes is a MUCH shorter time frame, but it could have been done. But this is why you draw _a goddamn road map_ before making a trilogy!

[@l750z_6]

IN THE SPY *dies* This makes everything he did and stood for in 7 and 8 meaningless

[@leonlacroix2638]

Not just hux, but director Orson Krennic.

[@frde2190]

Hux was awesome in The Force Awakens. He felt like a space Nazi and his speech about wiping out the resistance is some of the best acting I have ever seen. But then we got : “I want Kylo Ren to lose!” Fucking tragedy

[@ZenShroud1]

He should've been Mon Mothma's son. Then his rivalry with Kylo Ren would've been legit. Both sons of prominent Rebel leaders. Etc.

[@christiandouglass2225]

The thing I want to see more than anything is Kathleen, Rian, and JJ reacting to a compilation of Robot Head shitting on the sequels

[@christik100]

Leia sees chewie sad about han's death: ignores. Leia sees rey with a sad face: immediatly hug her daughter, wait, shes not her daughter, its just dumb writer stuff

[@clankers8929]

Yes huge letdown period. Chewbacca showed little emotional pain when he lost his *best friend & closest family member.* That alone made me want to cry. How could they. So much disrespect for our very beloved OG characters.

[@BallerDan53]

"Having a plan is the most critical thing, because otherwise you don't know what you're setting up" -JJ Abrams

[@versecontro4898]

Ironic.

[@mordredpendragon1235]

Well he didn't take his own advice

[@The-Man-On-The-Mountain]

What? Are there actually people who say that these movies are masterpieces? Jesus Christ...

[@dexterjettster3683]

I’m worried for society

[@joeyk107]

My dad loves these movies. He thinks that palpatine was better in rise of skywalker than in the original trilogy

[@ruairievans]

It's called an "opinion" and everyone is entitled to have one.

[@michaelmayo2489]

@@ruairievans true everyone is entitled to an opinion but some opinions are harder to understand than others

[@keyontaebeasley1308]

Yes i tend to argue with a lot of them idiots too smh 😂

[@lukemoses7827]

Ok, this movie is absolute garbage. But please, just please stop writing the hate comments. My hand hurts from liking them all

[@uzifx]

Including yours

[@lukemoses7827]

Batflashanakin Ahsokapadmewonderwoman do what must be done

[@greysplaysgaming7139]

They had us in the first half, not gonna lie

[@calclips]

Liked then unliked so fast 💀💀

[@dumbasswithinternetconnect1611]

@@calclips you are a bold one (for saying that)

[@torrentarrow9097]

Lucas sold star wars to Disney cause he knew they would run into the ground to show how we mistreated him for the prequels. This was all a wild revenge plot to have us crawling back to him

[@JoseRamos-zu2kq]

@@adeus_sinister no just the senate we didnt deserve

[@MaiAolei]

You're definitely onto something there.

[@stfuplease1051]

@@adeus_sinister a sith lawd?

[@DenverStarkey]

he didn't want to take the heat if the sequels blew goat balls. that said , i think his idea of exploring the Wills of the force would have also been received poorly. in the end what fans wanted to see was luke having rebuilt the jedi now having to face a new threat with said jedi. what we got was a hot mess that killed han , turned leia in to space-mary poppins, and turned luke into a sour old cunt that tried to murder his nephew. as for the new characters they were all over the place and no one gave a shit about them because they had no back story or story arcs to them. in short , we got to watch disney rape every thing we loved about the originals, destroy what meaningfulness the originals had , and in the end ultimately we got to see disney murder another franchise we loved.

[@Mattribute]

LOL

[@duanefreestone4557]

They had such a large universe of lore. How hard would it have been to ask a freaking fan to help with the script? How does one mess up something like this

[@Lord_Thunderballs]

At least Revan is canon now?

[@shizachan8421]

Asking the Star Wars Fandom to help with a amovie script would be the most stupid move to do. Its the most toxic fandom there is and it had been this way since Empire Strikes Back, which supposedly ruined Star Wars according to the OG hardcore fans.

[@clankers8929]

disney employs Hollywood types who are *in no possible way true SW fans.*

[@jordanpickthall0619]

Too many hands in the cookie jar.

[@catwrangler7907]

Have you seen the fans. I mean my god wet dreams over the millennium falcon please

[@Terrince_Tate]

I want to know who said "The Last Jedi was a masterpiece" the whole trilogy was an embarrassment.

[@mara_kalat]

I say that. It's my favourite Star Wars film, closely followed by Return of the Jedi. And TROS was the worst one, by far. (TFA was... alright)

[@CarlosAM1]

@@mara_kalat you haven"t seen any of the other star wars movies have you. For gods sake man seek help.

[@StsFiveOneLima]

It was all shit. There are only really three Star Wars movies. (edit: four. Rogue One).

[@CarlosAM1]

@@StsFiveOneLima five: revenge of the sith

[@StsFiveOneLima]

@@CarlosAM1 Wrong, that was bullshit, too.

[@The_Mad_King_Aerys]

"I've been looking forward to this." -Count Dooku

[@adamheywood113]

"I made the best Star Wars film ever, and I wouldn't change a thing" "Twice the pride, double the fall"

[@The_Mad_King_Aerys]

@@adamheywood113 Mr Abrams you disappoint me, surely you can do better.

[@adamheywood113]

@@The_Mad_King_Aerys For real though I almost feel bad for Abrams. Almost.

[@Infamous1892]

Twice the pride, double the fall.

[@basteala525]

Twice the pride....double the fall!

[@petrut.1224]

This is how the last trilogy ruined everything Luke: WASTED Leia: WASTED John Williams: WASTED Skywalker bloodline: WASTED Palpatine's heir: still lives somehow

[@Silver4Hire]

How was John Williams wasted? The themes in the sequels were still amazing. Rey’s theme was still incredible

[@petrut.1224]

@@Silver4Hire I consider his collaboration a wasted opportunity from the producers. He could've bring out themes that might put Revenge of the Sith in the shadow. But no, also with Leia's death another golden opportunity was also gone to waste. The last trilogy, especially the last 2 movies are a huge mistake to this universe, that contradicts everything and have destroyed the original characters.

[@sodreir.8666]

@@Silver4Hire actually he is still alive.

[@tlrlml]

You forgot... Original Trilogy: Retconned Prequel Trilogy: Superfluous

[@newdefsys]

My hopes of a good SW sequel trilogy were dashed the moment I found out JJ was directing. What he did to the Star Trek franchise was atrocious. The writing was on the wall for Star Wars.

[@1krani]

I held out hope until the final trailers dropped a month before TFA did. I said it looked like a vacuous retread of A New Hope, based on the trailers and the pattern of JJ's entire filmography, and no one believed me.

[@thisisfyne]

Not to quote Red Letter Media on this, but if JJ had been *only* in the director's seat (ie. leaving the writing/producing/etc tasks to other competent people making actual good decisions), it could have been awesome. Not unlike Zach Snyder, he's not a bad director, he's just a very poor storyteller and thus needs a solid, well-constructed script to work with.

[@pabloruedaarzoz8065]

"Now i'm not dreaming for one minute that any changes could fix this film. It's a pile of shit from start to finish, but, it's JJ's pile of shit, not Ryan's. He's got one of his own!" This is soo true

[@Squidbush8563]

So, now we are reduced to trying to decide which pile of shit stinks the least.

[@pabloruedaarzoz8065]

@@Squidbush8563 for me it's the rise of skywalker, for the only reason that it tried to retcon Last Jedi

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@pabloruedaarzoz8065 TLJ was a good film. TROS was eh, but whatever. It’s just a movie. Marvel puts out bad or avg films often but people still enjoy them

[@versecontro4898]

@@oXRaptorzXo TLJ wanted to be a good film. When i saw it in theaters there were so many times were i went "Ok... this scene could fix this." and then it just takes a "subverted" turn. Like when finn was barreling towards the laser cannon all i could think was "OK im not happy they are killing him off but holy shit this is gonna be ep....... DID THAT STUPID GIRL JUST TRY TO KILL HIM??????? WHY IS SH KISSING HIM????? TF DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE TO SAVE EACHOTHER WHEN YOU ARE LITERALLY LETTING EVERYONE ELSE IN THE BASE DIE????? HOW DID YOU CATCH UP TO HIM?????"

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@versecontro4898 that scene was stupid I agree. The rest I thought was decent

[@Sig_P229]

To quote RobotHead, "George had ideas" ... "Rian not so much"

[@TheTurnipKing]

Rian deconstructed the whole damn saga out of existence.

[@lluewhyn]

I disagree to some extent. I think Rian did have some good ideas, but they were either executed horribly or inappropriate for the middle chapter of the trilogy. The critical analysis of the war between the Jedi and the Sith was actually a really good idea for the sequel trilogy as a whole, and would flow well with how the prequels showed the Jedi being arrogant and flawed. However, apart from a single line delivered from absolutely the wrong character (Kylo) about it being time to move beyond the Jedi and Sith, the idea goes nowhere. It should have been Luke that discovered that truth and made him the one to look for a new path forward, and this should have rolled into the trilogy's themes as a whole. Obviously, the trilogy has no themes or cohesiveness, which is a complete waste. Also, the ending where the heroes are decimated but triumphant, the bad guys have triumphed militarily but have been thoroughly humiliated and revealed how pathetic they are, and signs of hope with the force "awakening" in new heroes would actually have been a great ending to the trilogy as a whole. As in, the heroes may have lost this battle, but you know that they will win the war. However, having this be done in the middle film means there's no anticipation at all for watching the next film (as this video shows), because the villains have been undercut to the point where they are no longer a credible threat. It's like ending The Empire Strikes back with Vader pooping himself after Luke rejects his offer and Palpatine tripping over his own robes and bonking his head- you no longer care about the heroes defeating these villains.

[@TheTurnipKing]

@@lluewhyn If he'd left a single dangling plot thread that J.J. had evidently left for future writers to run with intact instead of slashing and burning it all down, I might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but since he got everything, it looks way too much like intentional vandalism.

[@lluewhyn]

@@TheTurnipKing I don't disagree. That's why I said he had ideas, but some were inappropriate. Having your middle movie attempt to end the trilogy screws the next writer over as you said.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

@@lluewhyn I mean, the trailer for TLJ was received with a LOT of fucking hype... Every single Star Wars fan, both old and new, loved that shit. And then, the movie premiered... and here we are.

[@Ididitlikethis2079]

If Star Wars was the Titanic, then The Last Jedi would be the Titanic crashing into an iceberg. The Last Skywalker would be the Titanic breaking in half and sinking into the ocean.

[@AllMuzicians]

that's extremely accurate

[@Ididitlikethis2079]

@@AllMuzicians Thanks random internet person!

[@ДмитрийМачулин-ч3т]

What would've been TFA then?

[@Shiirow]

@@ДмитрийМачулин-ч3т TFA is just the guy sitting out on the bow of the ship watching it inch closer to the iceberg, just tilting his head, then just shrugging before going back to the newspaper he was reading.

[@MaiAolei]

Maybe as a slight tweak to the analogy, since the breaking in half and sinking was an unavoidable consequence of the ship hitting the iceberg and the rise of skywalker was not: How about the rise of skywalker was the crew of the ship locking everyone inside, since that was deliberate, just as that movie.