STW #60: Razor Ramon

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[@InstagramAWrestlingHistorian]

Nobody was cooler than Razor Ramon when I was growing up. RIP.

[@MaynardOwns]

When I saw him all fucked up in a wheel chair I almost cried. When I found out he's clean and healthy and walking around I did. So fuckin happy for Scott.

[@pgaquigz1125]

Rest in paradise Scott

[@williamscolaro1159]

Considering the amount of traveling wrestling folks do, it’s amazing that they can always remember what city they were in when recalling specific events.

[@jacquelinescott3254]

Love Bruce's Vince McMahon inpression it's dead on

[@22rida]

Yes indeed

[@ADrockstar22]

I was laughing my ass off when I learned that the Razor Ramon vignette in the Cuban restaurant was shot at a place called tacos Guadalajara in Stamford Connecticut. Wow that's priceless

[@MarLenBo]

Bruce Prichard's Jim Cornette impression is perfect. It's what the best impressions always should be: Sounds absolutely nothing like the subject, but is definitive nonetheless because it captures their spirit totally.

[@jacquelinescott3254]

I do too but I like his Vince McMahon more

[@SSJ2Phenom]

"Cuz it's a goddamn ladder match!" I lost it there.

[@JoeyMartz]

He gave the IC belt to a terminally ill child.... That's the coolest thing ever! Class act= S. Hall.

[@6steveo9]

Yeah but he said mean things to Y2J one time so it's negated (c) The Internet

[@FatLadyKiller]

In WCW he refused to sign a card for a dying child benadryl he wasn't getting anything out of it

[@Cuddyscott84]

After cameras went off he punched the kid & took the strap back..

[@duffman18]

Yeah because if you give it to a terminally ill kid you can take it back a few weeks later when the kid dies

[@CreepyJoeMustGo]

duffman18 orrrr they can just make another one! They did it ALL the time...

[@bdr113080]

Razor Ramon is one of the most underrated workers. He gets all his flaws magnified but no one gives him the props he deserves. Great in ring worker and helped get the careers of 123 Kid/X-pac, Justin Credible , the Hardy Boys and when was told to go over on Jericho but instead he told Jericho to pin him. But none of that ever gets talked about.

[@big_dro1713]

I think the Panthers would be one of the best teams in the NFC next year;

[@borednow5838]

Probably. You could see the promise even when he was the Diamond Studd in WCW. The fools just didn't give him the push or the character.

[@bladestormviking]

even in the dying days of AWA when he was with Hennig, he looked like the proverbial "puppy with big paws". you knew he was going to be money, but how, where, and how long will it take to get him there? he really should be coaching or teaching character development though, WWE is picking up SO MANY of his size guys and up who DO NOT know how to work properly for their frame. either they're big lumbering idiots, or cruiserweight wannabe's breaking themselves trying to do cool moves.

[@whtevr84]

Scott Hall is one of the few workers in the business who is rated exactly how he should be, if anything nowadays his supporters overrate him...he probably should have won some world title at some time or at least had at least one feud at the top of the card instead of being midcard 4 life, but he fucked himself over with that and has nobody to blame but himself for never ascending to that level, so honestly, fuck him He's not particularly bad at anything, but he's not cream of the crop either, he doesn't have any shitty matches, but he doesn't have a whole bunch of great ones either, he had some great tools in ring unlike HHH, but he never put it together to really come off as being great, he was a dick and a cancer in the locker room, he wanted to work less and whine about not making more I think he would've been a lousy world champion, but he could've gotten a short run I suppose, but it doesn't matter either way....in hindsight Scott Hall was exactly where he should've been, any other talk just feels like misguided nostalgia to me

[@borednow5838]

I agree that his downfall is partly of his own doing. But that doesn't change that he is slightly overlooked and maybe could have had at least one world title reign, for either company.

[@dandjedi]

Scott and I have the same Defibrillator Pacemaker implant. It’s titanium and stopped a bullet one time for a guy who was shot. Keeps us alive too. I showed him my scar and without even telling him, he knew what it meant and showed me his lol. One of my favorite wrestlers as a kid. I didn’t make the Scarface connection until I saw the movie as a teen. I’m 35 now.

[@Super122291]

dandjedi old ass nigga

[@Sadeye92]

You’re 35 with a pacemaker? God bless your soul, hope all is well Chico!

[@jasonbattaglia2390]

Fuck tht 35 aint old bruh wtf

[@bhamilton24]

7:40

[@drvn8]

Thank you!

[@MikeDest]

Thanks for skipping Conrad's Mesothelioma entrance music.

[@subterraneanretrogames556]

I’ve never thought of Razor as a drug dealer for a second of my life.

[@papamike612]

According to a Scott interview, he talked to Vince about getting a belt, Vince said, the belt goes to people who need help getting over, you don’t have any trouble there and people care about you regardless of if a title is involved or not, so let’s leave the belt for the guys who need the extra pop... Scott says that always stayed with him and he looked at the belt differently after that, never had a desire to get it after that because he kinda looked at it like a crutch. If you ever see an interview with him, when asked, he always says, I didn’t get it because I never needed to have it to draw. Class guy, I drank beer with him several times after shows. Was always extremely polite and nice to fans like me and my friends when he had absolutely no reason to. He actually introduced me to several other wrestlers. Underrated is a word commonly used because he was the total package and honestly should have had the strap forced on him a time or two for legacy sake. People put a lot of emphasis on a world title in a profession that is scripted, seems kinda stupid to base a persons impact on something like that.

[@emersonkonnor6338]

I dont mean to be so offtopic but does anybody know of a tool to log back into an instagram account? I was stupid forgot my account password. I love any help you can give me

[@kingsleymilan1669]

@Emerson Konnor instablaster ;)

[@emersonkonnor6338]

@Kingsley Milan thanks so much for your reply. I found the site thru google and im waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Seems to take quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.

[@emersonkonnor6338]

@Kingsley Milan It worked and I actually got access to my account again. Im so happy! Thanks so much, you saved my account!

[@kingsleymilan1669]

@Emerson Konnor Happy to help =)

[@bryancaulfield2066]

"You guys know who I am, but you don't know why I'm here"

[@devilswrestlingreviews6683]

Wrong company

[@DUFFYISBACK]

@C B1983 love those bits

[@crewdawg2008]

Me? I go where I want, when I want. You want a war? You're gonna get one!

[@timsullivan3715]

Let's pay a well-deserved tribute to The Bad Guy

[@bdr113080]

To this day I think Razor Ramon/Scott Hall is the best I-C champ of all time.

[@cujosephwalker9707]

Too bad he never had a good run. Seemed like he'd lose it on every ppv.

[@americafirst4585]

Macho man

[@JoeyMartz]

honky tonk man

[@KizzMyAbs]

One of the best for sure. Macho man Mr perfect to name a few others

[@jomama900]

Man I've always liked Razor's ring music! Oh and I always liked when Ted DiBiase called Scott Razor Jabrone! LOL!

[@mjolden]

Razor should've been world champ imo. In terms of character and his ability as worker, Razor could and would have made for a great WWF champion.

[@marknorth8904]

If it hadn't been for Scott's drug and/or alcohol problems, Vince probably would have eventually made Scott a World's Champion eventually...After Razor's WCW episode in which he came out stone drunk, that ended any chance of Scott getting a WCW belt...

[@ashleyswim3009]

I love Bruce's Michael PS Hayes impressions as well.

[@luvdatta6043]

Wow bro. You know all the dates. Lovely podcast. All respect to you

[@rpatrick21]

@1:44:30 I about spit out my coffee listening to Bruce's Michael Hayes impersonation lol

[@bobnichols3233]

My all time favorite wrestling character! Unfortunately his personal demons got in the way. He would have been a great world champion.

[@bladestormviking]

"what does razor do for a living on the streets of miami?"........ retail and wholesale ass whoopins.

[@SupraRy]

CLASSIC fucking intro music. When he was a baby face and you heard those tires screech the crowd went NUTS. he was super over and I believe would have had a world title run if Kevin Nash hadn't come in at that specific time with his size and stature without steroids, also getting a lot of rub from shawn Michaels in the back. That sould have been razor's spot.

[@justinep3675]

1:07:50. "Goddamn he can speak Portuguese, we need the Portuguese market!!!!" Lol

[@mjolden]

I laughed at that one too lol.

[@gravewax5892]

Yes. Because the Portuguese market is like a pair of Mae Young's panties... A giant canopy.

[@clintondaugomah8185]

Those impressions are the best... Plus the southern accents tops it off

[@amytoner2145]

Scott Hall is easily top 3 best wrestlers to never hold the world title.... its a shame what ended up happening cause he could have gone down as one of the greats of all time had he been clean during his prime

[@heisensaul5538]

I picture Scott asking Vince if he ever saw Scar face and Vince telling Scott yes, but thinking he was talking about the George Raft version from the 30s and thinking that's what his gimmick would be based on lol

[@aikidoboynj]

Kind of crazy that Vince wouldn't just give Scott the money he wanted and he had to go to WCW to get it. It is extremely difficult to find someone that had his overall skill, I mean their was no weaknesses in his game at all. Wasn't Vince already closing in on billionaire status by the mid to late 90s. As a kid, Razor was my number one favorite to watch, everything he did from his punches to his finisher just looked real and he was so believeable much more so then the other top guys at the time and I can only wonder if guys like Luger were making more then him when it was obvious to anyone with a brain that Scott was worth so much to the company. To lose a talent like that for money is crazy, I can see if he is injured, drug or personal problems ruining him and its effecting his performance, but just to save a buck. That being said if Vince gave him the raise, the whole nWo would have never been a thing and my all time favorite time in wrestling would have ceased to exist.

[@blueblur2329]

Take it a step further, the wrestling business probably would have been dead if Scott never left.

[@justinrieper8883]

If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. Remember he employed many of rasslers. Payroll for umpteen wrestlers, stage techs, broadcasting/arena rental bills, diesel for semis, insurance for wrestlers, insurance bonded to protect the ticket buyers, the money wasn't a personal thing, when your running a business, if you go belly up, your letting your family, employees and fans down.. it is what it is. If you can't help yourself, you can't help anybody else.

[@nmcintosh8769]

The impressions are top notch.

[@captainthrall]

Bruce is a bit off with some of the details here. In regards to the telegram that Razor sent to Vince... he was required to send a notice by telegram 90 days before his contract ended or it would automatically roll-over. This wasn't Razor being a jerk. It was required. Also, Razor had met face-to-face with Vince on several occasions. He asked him for a guaranteed contract. He asked for a bump in pay. He asked if he could have a few days off to work in Japan for extra money. He even met with Vince one last time to ask him if he could match WCW's offer. Hall took every possible step to stay on good terms with WWE.

[@lewisgriffin9684]

Including the last night in the garden when he was supposed to start working with WCW the day after so it wouldn't really matter how many time they met face-to-face best McMahon in later years admitted that they did the right thing by taking the deal

[@joeyzapata6786]

Uhhh, the wildcard survivor series match was awesome and one of my all time favorite Survivor Series matches.

[@shawnmckahan165]

Great entertainment for a podcast

[@josephdelledonne2098]

It is disrespectful to say Shawn had a 5 star match with a ladder. Not saying he's an amazing athlete and that he's a much better worker than Razor, but Hall was really good to and always willing to job. This gimmick was great. They make like Hall did nothing in the ladder match. I wouldn't have a problem with people saying Shawn was the star and came off better than Hall even though he lost, but saying that makes it sound like Hall was a bum. If I was Scott Hall I would be pissed. They can say they're not disparaging him, but what if someone said something about you at your job, etc.

[@MaynardOwns]

That's one of two of my favorite matches/matches I remember watching as a kid. I was born in 90, so I was young. The other match was Bret and Owens cage match.

[@sandymckenzie367]

Bike rider

[@6steveo9]

It never bothered him because he's not a mark.

[@Obironnkenobi]

"By god look at him, he's a Dean!...... and a Douglass!"

[@jesseslack2089]

I thought that shit was funny as hell!

[@el84oro]

if razor had stayed in wwf he would no doubt have become champion. instead of shawn and sid changing hands, it would have been shawn and razor, and they probably would have had a 3rd ladder match to prove who was the best. on the other hand, no nwo if razor had stayed. i think he got too relaxed in wcw, midcard getting paid like the main event, he didn't really need nor care to push for a title shot

[@BFB1687]

Idk about being midcard...

[@packpock4369]

One of the greatest characters in WWF history..

[@freshparkfilms]

I must've clicked the wrong video...I thought this was a video about razor not Shawn Michael's... smh still love the show you guys are great 👍 ❤ 💙

[@BEEFSERPENT]

rip scott thanks for everything :(

[@gothchicksbongrips5712]

Scott Hall considered Louie a friend and liked having him as his sidekick in wcw

[@6steveo9]

Louie was a drug dealer man, that's why he was popular

[@chadpugh1490]

HEY YO. Scott Hall never getting the big strap is a damn travesty. Doesn't really seem like it bothers him one bit tho. Super cool these days.

[@matrolmem3463]

Chad Pugh hall never needed the championship. His in ring work and promo skills were so good that he was over everywhere he went (awa, wwf, wcw)

[@matrolmem3463]

Michael A.C. absolutely true. So sad the demons and things he went through. But he has made a great recovery.

[@Super122291]

Matr Olmem I love da bad guy

[@theman6705]

Michael A.C. Diesel would've been a good champ as a heel for like 3-4 months but 1 year and as a face? Oh god lmao

[@Super122291]

KHLB516 he has potential to be a star ⭐️

[@roryjones6040]

To correct Bruce about Sid at Summerslam 95. Sid hadn't gone home for softball and was actually watching the Ladder Match on a monitor backstage and actually faced Shawn in a losing effort the next night on Raw. I understand Bruce's thinking as Sid was liable to have done that but this time Sid was not gullty.

[@darmetriasroberson843]

I'm sensing a theme here. If its a dumb idea, its Cornette or Watts. Anything good or "acceptable" its Prichard. And no one tells the truth but Bruce and Vince.

[@CeemPlay]

Bad times don't last but bad guys do

[@sketchstevens5859]

Bruce seemed a little touchy about the day of the curtain call. Hall didn't say he got the bad guy out, he said the fans said the Bad Guy at the end. Love the show regardless brother! I'm as much of a mark for Bruce as much as I am a mark for Razor and Diesel

[@2009JMLM]

One of the best gimmicks ever

[@b3nz848]

That intro is 🔥🔥🔥

[@geekspeakmadechic4003]

I love u guys. I used to love pro wrestling, watched it through the hogan era. And the attitude era, through to about jbl/edges reign. Then I was out. Cena turned me off too. They won’t give the belt to a black guy. But to a fake black guy they will. But anyway, I really enjoy hearing all the behind the scenes stuff. And how Vince thinks. And Conrad is the prefect questioner, and Bruce was there for many great wrestling eras. Keep up the good job guys

[@blueblur2329]

The Rock was black

[@marklogan8112]

Cena was the death of pro wrestling. 💀

[@ROSTAFA]

Rest in Paradise to one of the greatest, coolest, and "Bad Guy" characters of all time. No one is perfect, and we've all done and said things we regret. But if our legacies remain positive and impactful, you'll be remembered and revered forever. #ripscotthall #razorramon #restininpeace #restinparadise #hardworkpaysoffdreamscometruebadtimesdontlastbutbadguysdo #thebadguy #nwo #wwe #wcw #nwa #awa #pwg #njpw #ajpw #professionalwrestling #sportsentertainment #rudow

[@AV57]

I always felt that the clique held Hall back. He was more over than Shawn or Diesel and I guess out of some feeling of loyalty, he let them have the main events. I waited several years for Hall to get a due push in the WCW, but instead he played Nash’s Beefcake, despite Nash being a lazy, boring, one-trick pony who happened to be a little taller than Hall. If I recall, there was even a time when Hall won some sort of rumble in the WCW, which was supposed to determine the next challenger for the heavyweight title against Hogan, but Hall (kayfabe) turned it down to keep the NWO pecking order intact. That really bummed me out, because I hate Hogan and he was boring.

[@blueblur2329]

Usually the wrestlers don't decide who becomes world champion. The booking committee does.

[@tommyhallum2054]

I feel guys like hall and Jake the snake and there's a few others that were so good that they didn't need a gimmick like a belt to be considered important they were gonna be over regardless. So their best role was making other guys seem more important and to get them over.

[@benjaminmarshall9298]

R. I. P Scott Hall... Changed the wrestling Landscape with Nash in 96

[@kyledrummond6011]

I never really thought of the Razor Ramon character as being a drug dealer.

[@yeyofamoelguerosalvaje6861]

I’m Mexican, and never made the connection to Scarface either.

[@BFB1687]

Geez, Conrad just can't get enough of Meltzers nuts.

[@InTheMindOfDavid]

Actually I’m not the least bit surprised that McMahon has never seen Scarface. That dude lives, breathes, eats, sleeps, dreams, cries, and loves only Wrestling 24/7 365 and nothing else interests him.

[@jamaaldavis3222]

He should of had the belt a few times scott hall is underrated

[@nameeman9108]

100% agree

[@jamaaldavis3222]

@@nameeman9108 you already know brother

[@gammabravo1654]

Listened to some of these twice by mistake

[@bdr113080]

In defense of the clique , No they didn’t like Bam Bam, but from every interview I’ve heard with those guys individually they all say they kind of started hating him because he hated them first. And even though they admit they didn’t like the guy back then, later on in WCW Bam Bam did get along with Kevin Nash and Scott hall just fine, I have heard Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, and the kid all in separate interviews say that even though they didn’t like the guy that he definitely belonged in the WWF because he was one of the best workers in the business.

[@Kylersinjin]

Yeah they put him over as a good worker in most interviews. Bam Bam was supposedly standoffish because of the influence he felt the Clique had

[@kingstonellington817]

The fact that most people are arguing whether TO or Moss is better shows you that he's at least one of the top 5 receivers of all time, being that Moss is widely regarded as 2nd best behind Rice.

[@MikeD974]

scarface is 1 of my favorite movies aswell as the thing loved the razor character should had world title run thou missed opportunity i loved the survivor series match meltzer sucks crap

[@markmenning1804]

I think I prefer the time from 1992 to 1996 for WWF over the Attitude Era.

[@ZakynthosDiamandis]

New Generation

[@icantthinkofacooname3025]

Never won a world title or even was in a royal rumble match. Still my favorite wrestler right up there with Austin and HBK for me.

[@josephboza7448]

Scott had his demons that is for sure. Razor was a great star in wrestling. I think losing Razor and Diesel was the first big blow in the Monday Night Wars. When he gave his 90 day notice, I think Vince was petty as fuck cause he didn't want to lose Scott to WCW. Conrad is right 2+2=4. He was the bad guy who had great matches as Razor Ramon. Bruce is right, Razor giving his 90 day notice and jump shipped to WCW sure did light a fire under his ass.

[@strathroyaaron]

douglas vs Razor rematch did take place on RAW... just sayin' conrad

[@rackballjones6585]

Prove it

[@NotAGarage]

@@rackballjones6585 it's on Raw opening match. I watched it live. Shane takes a clothesline over the top and hurts his back. Razor's Edge finish

[@815revanes]

Look razor changed what wrestling was to what we know it today as in the way of guarantee money and multiyear contracts for said amount of money ... once he set that up with wcw and nash followed with his contract after that vince had to start the same thing to keep his talent and thus started the crazy amount of money the top guys get... and not only that he had the very first angle on the 3rd raw with 123 kid witch in a way started the weekly storylines on raw . Rather then it just being a televised house show ... and so on .....razor really did alot for what wrestling was in the late 90s and early 2000s in regards to the business aspect of it and essentially changed the way guys get paid and get locked in to contracts

[@tinfoiltyrant]

Conrad gets the fucking W for that introduction. Kuuuuudoos Big Guy. I owe you a beer when this is all over.

[@BigTree412]

Classic

[@darmetriasroberson843]

2:37 Bruce told a hot lie! We all heard "say good-bye to the bad guy"

[@rodzor]

RIP Razor

[@billpetersheim7477]

Conrad mentioned Bret having a problem with a finish with Diesel at Survivor Series but I had heard after watching a Kevin Nash video was it was actually at In Your House when Bret Hart fought Diesel in the cage. it lead to Undertaker vs Diesel at Wrestlemania with Undertaker actually saying to Bret this isn't always about you

[@sklba632]

The irony of saying a worker leaving is like his kids leaving....Shane got fired like it was nothing.

[@jesseslack2089]

1:01:27 I live in WV about an hour away from Beckley and that Corny impression almost killed me, I mean it legit took me 12 minutes to calm down enough to listen on!

[@EliteLegendToysandCollectibles]

Prayers for Scott Hall.

[@sajonwestside]

I LOVE THE CORNETTE IMPRESSION LOL ESPECIALLY THE 'MOTHERFUCKA' VOICE

[@Schooner316]

Conrad was getting a little grumpy at about the halfway point. He sounded a bit tired. Him cutting off Bruce during one of his gimmicks was kinda funny. :-)

[@brickstone9464]

Say goodbye to the bad guy 😢☹️ RIP Scott Hall

[@el84oro]

razor's theme is the best theme ever in professional wrestling history

[@troll-fx2zc]

THE GAME

[@hooksncrosses3419]

I'm gonna day it. I liked the wild card match from survivor series 95! I enjoyed the concept. Just saying

[@taekwondotime]

*Donovan "Razor" Ruddock* likely gets credit for the "Razor"...... and *Tito Santana* gets credit for the "Ramon". (Not to mention you had "Tokka" and "Rahzar" in the movie *Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2* in 1991 and *ACDC* releasing their album "The Razor's Edge" in September 1990.) All the pieces were falling into place to make "razor" the most popular nickname at the time.

[@alibrahimani]

59:20

[@Therealgeoffchilds]

Well the ladder match was a cool thing that did not start in wwe it was Stampede that started it

[@gregharper6382]

I never looked at that Flair comment as an insult to Razor

[@kingluigi7]

RIP

[@hattorihanzo2275]

Whose theme is playing around 1:13:00 during the t-shirt plug?

[@NotAGarage]

It's from the Sarcface movie. It plays during the opening monologue and ending. Edit: *** Scarface

[@KellieLeigh48]

RIP Scott Hall... Razor Ramon

[@renejager2427]

Hey Chico!!!

[@Bbender690]

They play his ecw theme ….. ready or not

[@richhenry3613]

Rest in peace Scott.

[@razorr527]

Say Hello to the Bad Guy ! 👋😀

[@Jean120483]

The Scarface of wrestling. 💯💯💯

[@bobfranklin1264]

RIP to the Baddddd Guyyyy

[@joshuabowen6589]

When it comes yo the kliq and Bam Bam. Nash, Hall, and X-pac have said nothing but good things about Bam Bam. But im sure HBK hated him and was jealous of WM11.

[@nickshane9314]

I now know why it takes forever to win ladder matches in video games

[@AmericanGypsy206]

I’m probably the only one to say this in the comment section the WWF during those days I don’t speak on the current product because I do not watch it, but WWF was ran by sick twisted people. I could literally fill the whole comment section with some of the stories about the people working in the WWF

[@omarperez9616]

Rest In peace Scott hall aka the bad guy 🙏

[@peanut389]

2:39:20 Chico

[@NinoG053]

Hey YO !

[@Jake888]

Chico Ramon

[@lukemcinerny8220]

Don't take a dig at Vince Conrad for knowing what a centaur is because it was a minotaur lol not a centaur

[@SSJ2Phenom]

Unfortunately, it's time to say RIP to the Bad Guy.

[@eddie9244]

the way conway got scared when bruce said dick murdoch was a kkk member 😂

[@michaelpitt57]

Why does WWE recognise Double J regaining the Intercontinental championship from Razor as being May 22nd when it happened on May 21st?

[@StraightEdgeJunkie]

Perhaps it was taped for a show that aired the day after.