SU&SD Play Star Wars: Armada

[@PnutButter1986]

"Luke Skywalker, you know who he is, he's like the Harry Potter of Star Wars." This is so hilarious on many levels

[@Zakalwe-01]

Still my favourite SU&SD episode. Funny, interesting and actually exciting at times. And what a great game Armada is too!

[@Zakalwe-01]

I wrote that comment 5 years ago and only just completed my obscenely vast Armada collection this year, post-COVID! Oh how things have changed in that time. Even taking away the Armada element, this is still the most enjoyable play-through I’ve seen of any game on KZbin, by any channel. It’s like late-night Friday programming from Channel 4’s peak in the 90s. Have a fantasy internet BAFTA, guys. You’ve earned one many times over.

[@guyblin]

"He's like the Harry Potter of Star Wars." :D

[@MrLele3000]

yeah his parents were also just having to deal with the dark lord..

[@g1ng3rsensation42]

Start the Star Wars music! *Plays Star Trek Theme* I sense a million souls screaming out...

[@MW-pm1kl]

Wow, that time flew, can't believe I just watched 41 mins of two guys playing a tabletop game. Great vid!

[@Mdhneo007]

Thanks for making the gameplay enjoyable! Pretty much how every game of armada goes, but still fun to watch.

[@turkchris]

I just wanna say you guys put so much work and effort into these videos, well done and you deserve way way more recognition.

[@konntent2462]

just so you all are aware, quin messed up. You can't have engine techs on a victory 2 class star destroyer, since there is no support team slot. However if you bought the Rebellion in the Rim expansion you get a title for the victory called "harrow" what this allows you to do is have support team slot. My true nerd just came out of me as I said this. Sorry that I am 6 years late.

[@OrrgunUK]

I have probably watched/had this on in the background about 50 times. This was the video that got me into Armada this year, need more minis!!

[@michaelwells9378]

"B stands for bomber" I...no!

[@Eidenhoek]

Well, they *were* bombers, but yeah, the Y-wing is *the* bomber, yo.

[@duncanjackson6157]

@@Eidenhoek the y stands for yeet them bombs

[@Camtrain1989]

@@duncanjackson6157 that got me 🤣

[@wisconsinfirenerd]

Lol. "TIES only have three health... because they're affordable." This video is lovely.

[@jason-sp8nb]

These guys are brilliant and funny and make the games sound enjoyable

[@iBloodxHunter]

Armada iiiis thoroughly enjoyable. A bit draining on account of setup but thoroughly enjoyable.

[@thegeneralissimo470]

I know all of these from empire at war. The assault frigate mk2 is probably one of my favorite ships just on how it looks.

[@iBloodxHunter]

I just wish the Tartan Patrol Cruiser survived the purge. At least there's the Raider.

[@JonatasAdoM]

@@iBloodxHunter Tell me, please tell me the land vehicles did. Even Battlefront II had them.

[@iBloodxHunter]

@@JonatasAdoM uh, only like half of them did for example rebel heavy vehicles are nowhere to be seen and the hover tanks used by the Empire are seemingly exclusively used by the clones because they're nowhere else to be seen. Oh and apparently they lost their turrets.

[@JonatasAdoM]

Darth Vader doesn't die. He just spins away.

[@riccardopio294]

That's always a good trick

[@willcall8506]

"Lets get the Star Wars music going" *Plays Star Trek music* XD

[@aalever]

I wonder if it would be fun to triple the range/speed/etc on everything but also triple the scale of the board (if you have 9'x9' of space and can make custom rulers.) All the maths stays the same (you're effectively just scaling down the size of the minis and their bases to 33% of their original size), but you've got far more space to maneouver around in. I always found it a little unrealistic that the crux of space battles in SW minis games often comes down to maneouvering without crashing in to anything.

[@JosephLachh]

"all kinds of *STAR* ships and *STAR* stuff that you'd expect. So let's get that *STARwars* music playin' and get *STARted*

[@jimsmith7445]

"Space Potato"??? LOVE IT!!!! Love the mat... you guys must have too much fun playing board games... you make me laugh so much. Thanks

[@Eidenhoek]

In the Star Wars d20 game I played in college, we took out three star destroyers in one round (six players). Every roll was a crit. HILARIOUS. Dude also stole Vader's mask, which *almost* caused Vader to destroy the destroyer he was on in rage. Also hilarious.

[@AGuysBlues]

Crap, I currently own at least one of each ship in the X-Wing game. Now, seeing this, I might have to start investing in Armada...

[@Pao-wb4hp]

Did you end up investing into armada and if so how do you like it, just curious

[@iBloodxHunter]

@@Pao-wb4hp I'm not him but it's a tooon of fun. The only problems are how expensive it is, (not a problem if you have a friend dedicating to splitting it all) and it's draining on account of all the setup. There's an online boardgame engine called VASSAL (yes all caps) so if you already learned to play it's a free way of getting experience.(it has online)

[@Pao-wb4hp]

@@iBloodxHunter I already play it I was just curious about him thanks though

[@dekai7992]

Armada is certainly the superior game, both from its rules design standpoint and its tactical depth.

[@Brix_H]

Forget the concussion missile, you should put these cards on Demolisher - Advanced Proton Torpedoes (from MC30) Engine Techs (for that extra 1 move after you move) Ordnance Expert (lets you reroll blacks) That's pretty much the bare bones for GSD Once you go OE and APT, you'll never leave home without it

[@tahunuva4254]

Figures that the assistant would be into wargaming

[@maverickdelta]

You are trolling us with the music!!!!!

[@JonatasAdoM]

This has that feeling of Empire at War in cardboard form.

[@deviljon]

Classic wave 1 Armada. My favourite game! You should come test the waters again, post wave 8 this game is bonkers.

[@deviljon]

Did you guys forget Quinns is first player at the start of turn 3?

[@AtaTheKin]

I´m thinking on coming back, what do you mean bonkers? lol and this was 3 years ago now must be absolute chaos

[@messman10]

I love the Star Trek music playing for Star Wars...

[@wolf58th21]

Space potato! Armada has changed so much since wave 1!

[@ace448]

1. Always engage the bombers with fighters 2. Neb B has arch on front f the victory 3 at speed 0 you can’t resolve defense tokens. That victory was dead a combat phase earlier as it can’t redirect

[@jazz5753]

It's not at a real speed 0. It bumped at speed 1, so it's still technically set to speed 1. It still gets to defend.

[@SenetTheSnek]

Shame Quinn didn't see the Bombers, he probably would of made his last move a squadron command. That could of won him the game if he used the Gladiator to Squadron command the Tie Bombers they would then fly in at 4 Speed and bomb the Corvette. 2 Black Die would of had a high chance of a crit hit. The Corvette just needed 1 more hit! That would of put Quinn at around 237 if he sunk the corvette.

[@originalSPECTER]

"Miami Vice Speedboats in Space"

[@Khakhees]

A-Wings as miami vice speedboats. This is what I need.

[@travismorton9727]

Keyan Farlander is the protagonist of the X-Wing video game from 1993. :)

[@JessWLStuart]

I'd love to see this sort of game in the Babylon 5 universe.

[@jaredlandreth4061]

Where do you all get the game mat? That’s super cool

[@andrewstauble4324]

Bump. Please?

[@der_benson4478]

0:36 we call it the "Space Butt Plug" in scientific circles. You are welcome ^^

[@tristan_mcdonald]

Space tories!

[@AshesFall81]

Very entertaining as always! But by god all the errors... :P 1. Victory star destroyer cannot take engine techs. (Does not have the correct upgrade slot) 2. You forgot to use defense tokens on the gladiators first attack, the one called "redirect" could have moved the damage to the far side, and saved you some actual damage cards. 3. "The squiggly bit" (I.e. the evade defense token) does not work at close range. So, you could have screeded your black dice and got a hit and a crit. Why didnt you shoot with the gladators front before it moved? You'd still get to fire that one shot after the move ;). 4. Quinns! You even said you had a reroll from swarm, but then didnt use it! You did remember the extra blue dice from howlrunner later though :D 5. You did want to scatter that one damage with howlruner, it is 1/3 of her health :P. 6. Quinns... engine tech token? :P. ENGINEERING QUINNS! ENGINEERING! 7. I'm pretty sure the cr90 was dead after that shot by the victory. It had taken 2 damage already from gladiator, and took two more. Its 4 health gone. Somehow, the first crit card it got from the gladiator was gone and only one card remained... again though, did you accuracy his defense tokens? Otherwise could have saved it with them. 8. With the attack on the "potato", you can use more than one defense token per attack. So brace, and move the damage to another shield side would be a good idea. 9. Its howlrunners job to get engage and get shot at by b-wings with bad anti squadron fire, preventing them from attacking the star destroyer. 10. QUIIIIIIINS!!!! WHY DID YOU NOT SHOOT THE SIDE ARC WITH GLADIATOR AFTER MOVING INTO THE POTATO!!! It would most likely have died (only two hits left, 4 black dice, yeeah). 11. YAY! You remembered the last time. Nice shooting! :D

[@Sandman382]

7. The CR-90 is the ship that miraculously landed directly on the space station discarding its critical damage card. Outside of that though I don't know quite enough to know if anything else you said isn't correct.

[@AshesFall81]

Actually, the cr90 gets the crit (second damage card) at 6:14. The card can be clearly seen at 10:01. As quinns is talking about moving his gladiator and "finishing off the thing, where he fancies his chances" the card just dissapears in a cut screen between 10:18 and 10:19. Its very odd :p. This is nowehere near the station either :)

[@wolfsruhm]

There are also two other errors. First the Nebulon shooting with two Arcs at the Viccy, which wouldn't have been possible, because there was no line of sight between the two white dots between the two hull sections, like wise with the gladi against the potato(aka Assault frigate mkII). THe thing with the corvette, i think he repaired the damge at round two with an engineering command. But also the possition of the Cr90 shift between round 4 and 5, as it was much closer to the edge of the table previously, and might have flown out of bounds, also it weas moving by 4 the whole time,a nd suddenlay it was only 3? . . .

[@SoonerMike211]

They also swapped first player back and forth.

[@AshesFall81]

Good catch! :)

[@beautifulreddit-wholesomer3096]

I know this video is three years old so it's probably been established, but in case it hasn't...you can't put engine techs on a VSD naturally.

[@maxsayo]

I have to ask, its probably too old of a video for a response, but if you had to choose between armada or x-wing, what would you pick?

[@Skippan]

Armada

[@Nothing-1w3]

I would pick armada because I dont really like dogfights

[@sabinm.jarvis5735]

One man put it best, if you want it to feel very brief, personal, intimate almost, do X-wing... If you prefer instead to feel like a fleet admiral watching whole battles go down before you, sending thousands of people to doom or glory, do Armada

[@jellyhair8026]

I you HAD to choose one... Choose both.

[@crucius]

I need to get one of these playmats

[@davedogge2280]

The rich man's X-Wing !!!!!! .... ok let me throw myself into the trenches with my tin soldier's hat !

[@frankharr9466]

O.K., I THINK Tim won, but I'm not sure. Space Potato is such a good name for that. Ah, the Star Trek theme! Also nice music. :) I don't understand the tactics to use here, so I'd like to ask some questions. I can't so I'll make uninformed observations instead. 1. Binding the Imperial fighters up in the rocks looks like a good idea because they couldn't interfere with the B-wings and couldn't make effective use of their own bombers. 2. Everyone ganging up on the Star Destroyer seems like it was a good idea. 3. How did the Nebulon wind up caught between the fighters and the S.D.? Was there a way to avoid that? 4. Given the speed of the Corvette, could it have gone counterclockwise around the Imerial battle line or would that have needlessly risk contact with the Imperial bombers and the Centurian? The captial ship on Quinns' right, whatever it was. The SS Danger Duck. 5. Could the A-wings have been used to help screen the Nebulon or the Corvette? 6. Would the TIE Fighters have been better spent screening the S.D. and not taking up the middle of the formation between the S.D. and the Danger Duck? 7. Did someone use Die as a plural for Dice? Interesting. Oh, look, I did ask questions. But to no one in particular. Awww! That does seem like fun. And it might be interesting to replay the battle from different angles and using different starting positions.

[@kroomiester]

Labyrinth: the war on terror is in the background, I’m wondering why there isn’t a review for it on the website

[@chad7210]

What is best ? X-wing Miniatures or Armada? i watched both reviews and they both look like 2 good games... i need some advice.. which one should i start to buy first ? and play ?

[@tylerc.7887]

MrRan8300 I have no experience with either game myself but I still offer this advice: Look up some videos about the two! One such review compares both games, if you look up "Armada VS X-Wing" it should be the first video. From what I've read so far, Armada is the cheaper one but the most expensive get started, as the starter kit is pricey.

[@Ender7j]

Watching this makes me wish I had friends... But then my cartoon dad, Prof. Membrane, always pops up and tells me that ‘wishing isn’t very scientific...’

[@iBloodxHunter]

There's an online boardgame engine called VASSAL (yes all caps) it doesn't teach you the game but if you already learned it you could scientifically get some free experience.

[@simonknibbs5867]

Armada and X-Wing is good, but I think it is much better with narrative play. So, part of an ongoing campaign with objectives with different points levels and fleet restrictions for each side.

[@rattakornkarnchanah8714]

you need to play this with Imperial Star Destroyer and MC80 Liberty, it will be epic!!!

[@sirlohengrin6226]

I cant find the review of Armada, I need a comparision between this and the X-Wing

[@bokenboyds9]

Ha ha good one. Thats STTNG from first contact. Also lol at space tories excellent.

[@phulcrum1984]

"Armada isn't usually just isn't squadron battles forever." *watches the latest worlds finals* *researches the latest Armada meta lists* Looks like Armada is just squadron battles forever.

[@Homer92]

Didn't use to be that way. Use to be only capital ships in the meta, until some guy in the finals brought like 8 a wings and crashed the meta.

[@phulcrum1984]

How do 8 A-Wings break an all capital ship meta? They don't even have the bomber keyword... Did you mean Y-Wings?

[@oneonly2762]

@@Homer92 When did the meta shift?

[@alejandrolaguna203]

I wanted to cut my rists, my friends dad went into a barbarian rage. Great joke with the music.

[@JonatasAdoM]

Birds are trying to recreate the sound of lasers.

[@machiavelli6996]

Does the board come with it?

[@micaiahweaver1346]

Best Rebel strategy "hit and run"

[@madhippy3]

10:44 LOL Someone is getting force choked later

[@KieranOklahoma]

Anyone know how this game handles turn orders? Do players alternate one ship at a time? Move all of their ships? Do they have to commit to movements before knowing the other player's plans? (The open discussion of tactics by the players made this less clear to me.)

[@iBloodxHunter]

One player activates a ship and reveals the command. If it's a squadron command, immediately activate squadrons equal to the squad value (VSD=3) Then you make up to two shots from different firing arcs. Instead of shooting a ship, you can shoot all squadrons in that firing arc(making bombing runs dangerous) then you move. Then you alternate turns activating one ship.

[@ivorjutt]

The birds sound like laser sound. Pew, pew!

[@HispAnakin42]

Even if the defense token is red you can still use it. It will just be discarded. Luke could still be alive.

[@J.B.90]

1:40 You can't equip engine techs on a VSD.

[@Quamikaze]

Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder. 😲

[@christianjessmark476]

What kind of playing area are you using? Looks like printed paper.

[@cloneorder6641]

Christian Jess Mark fantasy flight's playmats. Basically a HUGE high quality mouse pad

[@agentcoriolis9208]

That was fun to watch 😆

[@Zhukov1898]

Hey aren't the bigger ships supposed to go first?

[@Mikkel205]

Did this only contain the core set or did you use some of the expansions?

[@yogibbear]

They used Wave 1 expansions.

[@kungfuchef8500]

it'S an old video, there are plenty of new expansions now, especially the Imperial Star Destroyer and Home One.

[@ETHER3AL2205]

Four blanks on four black dice is just terrible luck

[@xCriticalStrikex]

Why didn't the corvette evade or redirect or anything during the first attacks round one? Damn thats some real bad fleet commanding. Yikes. Think I can see how this is going to end already.

[@xCriticalStrikex]

So many rules of the game are played wrong too haha oh man :P I'm just going to watch you guys mess about and see how it plays out, but damn :P

[@Icagel0]

The rebel guy looks like Jorge Zabaleta xD

[@SenetTheSnek]

Quinn you kept wasting Skree's ability on your Victory when you should of used it on your Gladiator since it couldn't get a single crit XD

[@foyoGames]

is this the same thing as X-Wing? What's different?

[@Fergit_]

Besides different dials it's mostly on a larger scale.

[@Smurfalypse]

There are a few different things, the primary thing is that you shoot and then move in Armada.

[@foyoGames]

...Interesting

[@MiniatureReview]

Not all units perform this way. Some units can both move/shoot or shoot/move. Also some cards can give you this ability.

[@mikeb42]

Old video...but you have to shoot first with your capital ships and then move...you can't move first and then shoot.

[@Monkeyshaman]

Isn't bossk the harry potter of star wars?

[@michaelgodfrey8807]

What are you doing uploading at this time in the morning? Honestly, you gotta watch that sleep schedule

[@HerpinThaDerp]

could be paul doing it

[@atmunn1]

7:33 "We're not technically engaged"

[@frankharr9466]

That's the best kind of not engaged.

[@darkdevil1289]

That star treck music triggered me so much

[@beaushaver3779]

Star trek music LOL!!!

[@GrievousFrom]

Go team Quinns! XD

[@ArkhBaegor]

Huh , is it me or should that ISD be about 10 times bigger than the rest of the ships?

[@AshesFall81]

It's a victory class star destroyer, which is much smaller. Of course, the scales are not entirely (or even particularly) correct (its a sliding representational scale), but the ISD IS a LOT larger :D i.imgur.com/dPwIHGu.jpg

[@utubesolo33]

That's the Victory class, not the Imperial. The ISD model is substantially bigger.

[@beaushaver3779]

Just jump to hyperspace and kill the imperial fleet

[@dodgystation1180]

I liked solely because of TNG.

[@RevanBartus]

Just a one Armada episode? :(

[@funnymanonyourscrean]

Does Quinn remind anyone else of Jeremy from peep show?

[@simatbirch]

Anonymous Muffin except much, much funnier

[@jasonarndell8857]

cool

[@KitaRisti]

It's Star Trek music...

[@icedog55puck74]

Do warhammer

[@merkavamkivm3373]

Fantasy or 40k?

[@icedog55puck74]

@@merkavamkivm3373 40k

[@victoralonso5139]

@@merkavamkivm3373 both xD

[@matthewdaniel6045]

play again

[@catjesuswarrior252]

Looks cool, yet in my opinion star wars rebellion is far supirior.

[@maalikmatthews8792]

B does not stand for bomber b stands fir blade so it means the b wing is blade wing

[@geoffreyraymond8128]

2020 anyone?

[@asharplydressedfellow3953]

2021 😎

[@kingnymia1287]

This guy sounds looks and speaks like Lewis brindley.

[@capefury8731]

Great vid. bit shaking and too a bit too much blaspheme

[@PaulSmith-qs1es]

looks like random chance over strategy.

[@AshesFall81]

Some dice are designed to be more random than others, basically representing that it is harder to hit with certain weaponry and at far ranges. Red dice are unreliable and swingy, blue dice are very reliable ship to ship, and black just murders things at close range. There was some absolutely appalling rolling going on, and outside of chess (that has no dice :P) there isnt much to be done with that kind of statistical outlier :). Armada is actually one of the most strategic miniatures games I have ever played. The maneuver tool, giving the sense of big ships being slower and harder to turn in addition to having to plan out orders for bigger ships several turns in advance make it a game where you have to think several turns in the future. Another mechanic that really makes it strategic is that you shoot -before- you move. No "move and shoot" for anything but that gladiator with the special title "demolisher". So you have to know where you and your opponent will be -next- turn to shoot. :)

[@kungfuchef8500]

not really, positioning is really the key in this game.

[@LadyKjell]

"Lumpy Space Potato" This is hilarious.

[@Vagus32000]

When I get buy an Assault Frigate II, I will always call it a Space Potato.