Sublimation⎮Miraculous Ladybug Season 6 Episode 3 Review

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Smarty Pants

Smarty Pants

Күн бұрын

Well it wouldn’t be Miraculous if massive tonal shifts didn’t occur. It seems the traditions keep on coming even though we’re in a new arc. Unfortunately this time, not for the better. The cringe levels in this episode were very difficult for me to handle. Fortunately, that makes for good entrainment so I hope you enjoy my review on the latest Miraculous episode, Sublimation.

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@hirahiro2331
@hirahiro2331 8 күн бұрын
She's not a stalker, shes just quirky! - Writers 2025.
@Somberasmrfan
@Somberasmrfan 8 күн бұрын
😂
@plushmakerfan8444
@plushmakerfan8444 8 күн бұрын
lol😂
@Hi-fu5vf
@Hi-fu5vf 8 күн бұрын
😅😅😅
@maximelegend8068
@maximelegend8068 7 күн бұрын
Yep. This is good writing shit from Thomas Astruc. That man... He needs to start eating normal pills.
@nonzamemange7612
@nonzamemange7612 4 күн бұрын
Tell that to the pictures of him in her room and the schedule of his plans let's not forget in cat blanc as ladybug sniffing his stuff 😂😂
@cylland5060
@cylland5060 8 күн бұрын
I mean, Marianette never showed progress on her stalker tendencies, she just got the boy in the end. Now she will just stalk her competition.
@IsmaelCiulla
@IsmaelCiulla 8 күн бұрын
The only thing the writers really did was brush it (the stalking) under the rug never really did anything with it other than have Alya make fun of her with the ball episode by mentioning how Marinette should know everything about Adrien
@dangerbuffrocky
@dangerbuffrocky 8 күн бұрын
She wanted to become friends with Sublime to make sure she wasn't the "steal your man" type. I don't think that's unreasonable.
@IsmaelCiulla
@IsmaelCiulla 8 күн бұрын
@dangerbuffrocky it’s a little unreasonable. Adrien hasn’t shown that he is that kind of person. If this relationship was longer than a few weeks or a few months then yes I would understand but it’s not. All it came off Marinette being obsessed and causing problems that weren’t even there. Originally people thought that Sublime was secretly into Adrien but that wasn’t the case. Also I didn’t say that Marinette doesn’t have a right to be a bit concerned about any girl being ‘in love’ with Adrien but she has taken it too far. Marinette has decided to stalk someone that’s getting close to her boyfriend who obviously has no romantic feelings for Adrien as well as Adrien for her (sublime).
@TheGreenThunder1607
@TheGreenThunder1607 8 күн бұрын
Yeah, this.. god this sucks so much.. she doesn't learn anything
@annieandelsieofarendelle3294
@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 8 күн бұрын
@dangerbuffrockyThat’s still pretty selfish. She could’ve just talked to Adrien or Sublime instead of acting like a lunatic.
@LyraValley
@LyraValley 8 күн бұрын
Oh look, Marinette is still a stalker and Cat Noir lost his powers before even having the chance to use them. It's almost as if nothing has changed.
@nonsoalonzo9220
@nonsoalonzo9220 8 күн бұрын
I believe cat noir will get hit by an antikuma in episode one and that is how he knows that he lost his powers
@itslele_
@itslele_ 7 күн бұрын
@@nonsoalonzo9220 yeah because that makes sense
@SpiderFan-e13
@SpiderFan-e13 8 күн бұрын
I like how Ladybug actually struggled against the villain, Cat Noir was decently competent, and Marinate is finally being called out for her stalker tendencies in this episode.
@JeremyBelpoisX
@JeremyBelpoisX 7 күн бұрын
Let's hope this spells the end for this "quirk".
@cjgamer6356
@cjgamer6356 7 күн бұрын
Yeah Tiki and Alya calls her out
@usonohoshi6165
@usonohoshi6165 5 күн бұрын
​@@JeremyBelpoisX This was so unnecessary. This is just needs Mari and Adrien having a proper conversation. (I still call BS that Adrien apparently fell for Mari during Puppeteer freaking TWO) This... Just assassinates Mari, as a character, even more than they already have.
@JeremyBelpoisX
@JeremyBelpoisX 5 күн бұрын
@ And yet (I'm gonna say it) Asstruck treats this as "oh she's just quirky" like the femcel he is.
@usonohoshi6165
@usonohoshi6165 5 күн бұрын
@@JeremyBelpoisX Yeah... They need to read and watch more asian stuff. Because they also know how to do likable Yandere. And those bastards are usually smart.
@hannahbarley97
@hannahbarley97 8 күн бұрын
As soon as adrien said that marionette following people is normal sublime should’ve been legging it out of Paris 😂
@IsmaelCiulla
@IsmaelCiulla 8 күн бұрын
Please tell he didn’t say that? If he did then WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS KID?!
@IsmaelCiulla
@IsmaelCiulla 8 күн бұрын
But if he meant it as normal for her then yeah that is true (and insane) but if normal as ‘people usually do’ than back to my original comment.
@ZiggyZero_
@ZiggyZero_ 8 күн бұрын
@@IsmaelCiulla He did say that which makes me wonder if he's known about all of marinette's behavior before dating her and still deciding to do so
@IsmaelCiulla
@IsmaelCiulla 7 күн бұрын
@ yeah that is concerning and frightening. If he knew then what kind of person is Adrien then? It was bad enough when he said that he fell in love with her due to the statue scene now this.
@Lea-im3wr
@Lea-im3wr 7 күн бұрын
​@@ZiggyZero_ It seems very much like he is aware of it. It fit's well together were doesn't believe her for having his photos all over her room, for fashion purposes.
@fatherplatypus2316
@fatherplatypus2316 8 күн бұрын
Its genuinely hilarious that LB is immune to the power bcs "she's already the best version of herself". Like, the entire episode is literally anything but Marinette being the best version of herself, unless this is the writer's definition of "best", then they sure need to learn a lot of things about teenagers
@nonsoalonzo9220
@nonsoalonzo9220 8 күн бұрын
Perhaps it was the best version of ladybug and not Marinette. But you are right there should always be room for improvement 😊
@wellidontknow1941
@wellidontknow1941 8 күн бұрын
yep, gotta love how two morals for marinette this ep literally contradict each other😶
@KaraGrimesS
@KaraGrimesS 8 күн бұрын
My jaw literally dropped at this moment, it was so stupid and illogical and contradictory. This might just be the worst episode of Miraculous ever
@fanlourauwiba8619
@fanlourauwiba8619 8 күн бұрын
Or Marionette is just that *flawed* it overpowered the effect?
@ArzhelKerouac
@ArzhelKerouac 8 күн бұрын
@@KaraGrimesS Lady bug is the best version of Marinette, it is pretty logical. However, Cat Noir isn't the best version of Adrien. It's Adrien who is the best versio of Cat Noir because perfect Adrien is just a mask. For me, the problem is here.
@cataclysmic_derpu
@cataclysmic_derpu 8 күн бұрын
they are tryna make us forget about plagg bro also why is everything about marinette, there are so many characters. Adrien is an Orphan now , give him time on screen
@IsmaelCiulla
@IsmaelCiulla 8 күн бұрын
I think Nathalie adopted him so he might be an orphan
@Azzymycat1234
@Azzymycat1234 8 күн бұрын
@IsmaelCiulla I thought she died?
@IsmaelCiulla
@IsmaelCiulla 8 күн бұрын
@@Azzymycat1234 no she’s still alive. The London special revealed Gabriel’s wish. His wish was to give up his life to save Nathalie and in the season 5 finale epilogue we can she her in a lounge chair relaxing while everyone else is playing
@Azzymycat1234
@Azzymycat1234 8 күн бұрын
ohhh alright I’m a little rusty ngl
@Shimospeher
@Shimospeher 8 күн бұрын
Last seasons: with every one made Adrien less and less matter, to the point when in great finale he just show as "prize". Current season - not only that but propably took as much time from best kwami as can🐢🐢🐢
@thefanwithoutaface8105
@thefanwithoutaface8105 8 күн бұрын
1:48 Of course she's perfect at everything. That's basically how characters are written in this show, they are either borderline perfect at the stuff they do and have no real personality flaws, or are completely insane.
@wellidontknow1941
@wellidontknow1941 8 күн бұрын
So funny marinette falls into both
@TheBelowAverage1289
@TheBelowAverage1289 7 күн бұрын
we REALLY need better writers for the show
@StillSomeone
@StillSomeone 7 күн бұрын
For Marinette/Ladybug, it depends on the day
@BizarreInterestsProductions
@BizarreInterestsProductions 8 күн бұрын
Sublime's character was genuinely enjoyable, she was so mature and I'm impressed she didn't become a Akumatization. As annoying as the stalker antics are, I actually like they treated it as a genuine issue with Marinette that resulted her getting called out by even Lucky Charm. Like maybe it's the animation adding to the antics, but I was genuinely laughing throughout all of it.
@Neverending15
@Neverending15 8 күн бұрын
She’s just a copy of kagami mixed with Zoe, Miraculous needs expansion on existing characters and not new characters
@Harumi27282
@Harumi27282 8 күн бұрын
​@@Neverending15yes, you are right
@homabasiri2218
@homabasiri2218 8 күн бұрын
imagine being called out by lucky charm 💀💀💀
@reviewsandtheories4941
@reviewsandtheories4941 8 күн бұрын
@homabasiri2218 hate how that has never happened before despite ladybug or Marinette causing several akumatizations
@Yammerzaki123fr
@Yammerzaki123fr 8 күн бұрын
She gonna get her comeuppance this season eoahhh
@jonathanzigterman2379
@jonathanzigterman2379 8 күн бұрын
I love Sublime's personality and all, but like Zoe, she too seems to be created for the sole purpose of being "Chloe if she were nice", with the twist that she too was the daughter of a mayor. Thomas is not fooling anybody. She also reminds me a lot of Kagami, except her mother is more reasonable than Tomoe. However, the end of the episode showing them actually partnering with Tomoe as a sponsor might do something unexpected but we'll have to see.
@nonsoalonzo9220
@nonsoalonzo9220 8 күн бұрын
I too can't wait to see what tomoe will be up to this season, since her partner in crime is ☠️☠️☠️
@ashebennett7726
@ashebennett7726 8 күн бұрын
FFS not another “nice version of Chloe” replacement. Just redeem the girl!!!!
@jonathanzigterman2379
@jonathanzigterman2379 8 күн бұрын
​@@nonsoalonzo9220me too. She strikes to me as more evil than Gabriel 💀
@jonathanzigterman2379
@jonathanzigterman2379 8 күн бұрын
​@@ashebennett7726exactly. We already have Lila/Cerise whatever her name is to work with.
@oilking-bo3gt
@oilking-bo3gt 8 күн бұрын
She reminds me of kagami to exaped taht Adréan dosent have Something for her but Adréan should stalk Marinet because she never Said him the truth
@falconanddragons2214
@falconanddragons2214 8 күн бұрын
Say it with me now. Stalking👏is👏not👏quirky
@darianburcea
@darianburcea 8 күн бұрын
Honestly I think the lucky charm is a really good piece of writing. In the wake of the London Special, the fact that the lucky charm considered Ladybug the true villain of this episode further shows how her own actions can have serious consequences. I'm still cautiously optimistic about the writing in this season, so I hope that we'll see more instances like this in future episodes, to make Marinette more and more uncertain of herself
@pslayer8943
@pslayer8943 7 күн бұрын
I do wonder if this foreshadows Chrysalis manipulating everyone on Paris that Ladybug is the true villain while she's only trying to help others, and she'll do it by revealing that Gabriel was Monarch and that Ladybug knew the whole thing and lied. As for Adrien/Cat Noir, he still knows that Chrysalis is the villain, but he will lose faith on Ladybug and we might get some Adrien development where he's still processing that his father was a monster and that he almost killed him in the Destruction episode.
@jules6735
@jules6735 7 күн бұрын
Was that Tikki’s way of telling Marinette “you’re the problem?” If so, the little thing has sass😅
@ang_jpngg
@ang_jpngg 4 күн бұрын
More context about the lucky charm please, I don’t remember, I can’t watch the full episodes anymore, I can’t stand them but I still see the updates 😭😭
@kamarismith9422
@kamarismith9422 7 күн бұрын
With the way Alya, Tikki, and even the Lucky Charm called her out, I really hope this episode is the beginning of the end for Marinette's stalker antics. This really feels like an episode that should have happened a long time ago.
@hunterrousseau3770
@hunterrousseau3770 6 күн бұрын
Agreed 💯 but knowing Astruc and unless if Argos and Chrysalis ever find out about the movie versions (who are treated actually *way* better here) I don't know if that seems very likely with him still in charge of the writing for the show here.
@SnapeZealous
@SnapeZealous 8 күн бұрын
The prosthetics actually broke due to the soap that got into them, thats why we were seeing the soap particles while she was running.
@Tobajasu
@Tobajasu 8 күн бұрын
but would it really cause the material to shatter into pieces?
@SnapeZealous
@SnapeZealous 8 күн бұрын
@Tobajasu some harsh soaps can degrade the material
@Kakuyawolf3456
@Kakuyawolf3456 8 күн бұрын
​@TobajasuNope, but falling at how ever fast Sublime was running at might
@MoonAirN
@MoonAirN 8 күн бұрын
it probably was a contributing factor, but you're still wrong 😔
@SnapeZealous
@SnapeZealous 8 күн бұрын
@@Kakuyawolf3456 yeah, falling and the soap both contributed in them breaking
@realradiantrei
@realradiantrei 8 күн бұрын
i liked the episode a bit but i think sublime shouldn’t have accepted her apology cause she did show discomfort earlier in the episode and i think their relationship could actually develop better that way. i know she had good intentions but stalking is stalking & very creepy. the fact that ladybug was the villain of the episode was very nice but it could have been executed better ( imo the mirror should have been used to point at marinette, who stalked sublime, rathet than ladybug who interrupted the scouting, cause we all know which one’s worse… ) i love sublime tho shes very cute
@SkyLightKey
@SkyLightKey 8 күн бұрын
No Adrien explained it very well.
@hyou7714
@hyou7714 8 күн бұрын
It would've made more sense if Sublime mistook Marinette's "awkwardness" as her being neurodivergent and as a fellow person with disability she didn't want to dismiss her that quickly. (Literally why tf does the stalking shenanigans still exist tho istg)
@supermart0518
@supermart0518 8 күн бұрын
Sublime is really cute and beautiful she sounds cute when she said “Do not move and do not follow me”
@nonsoalonzo9220
@nonsoalonzo9220 8 күн бұрын
I doesn't really matter since ladybug and Marinette are the same person
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 8 күн бұрын
@@hyou7714 That would be funny.
@elizabeths.2965
@elizabeths.2965 8 күн бұрын
Let's be real. She never really learned her lesson due to having no negative cosequences for her actions in the past seasons, so it kinda makes since why she never stopped stalking. It's annoying, but that’s just how the writers are for some reason. However, I think this'll be the last of the stalking. Sublime was clearly annoyed, and I think Marinette got the message by the end of the episode. It's annoying that it took this long, but I think (I hope) the stalking is over. And side note, The scene with Ladybug and Cat Noir saying that they're already perfect is giving Thomas Astruc writing.😂
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 8 күн бұрын
"Derision" sadly did that better.
@miguelzin8249
@miguelzin8249 8 күн бұрын
I think this whole episode was written by Thomas lol
@elizabeths.2965
@elizabeths.2965 8 күн бұрын
@@miguelzin8249 Yes. But there are certain places that really confirm it lol
@wellidontknow1941
@wellidontknow1941 8 күн бұрын
@@miguelzin8249 that’s impossible, Tomas thinks stalking is a quirky personality trait, he wouldn’t present it as a problematic thing
@ashebennett7726
@ashebennett7726 8 күн бұрын
If that were the case, Sublime shouldn’t be friends with Marinette. Not everyone has to be friends with her and it doesn’t make them bad for not liking her. She must learn that. Especially when they have very valid reasons not to. And stalking them is that reason. It’s not “unique”, it’s creepy. And it can give people the impression that there are ulterior motives.
@snooker7107
@snooker7107 8 күн бұрын
Overall it was an ok ep.I kinda feel bad for Adrien, his girlfriend doesn't seem to enjoy the time with him. Sublime is also cool, but i have a problem to connect with these overly perfect and nice characters. Mlb seems to like this archatype(Zoe, Sublime, Adrien outside of being cat, Kagami). But to fully judge her i need to see her full arc. And she adds great disabled representation.
@Kakuyawolf3456
@Kakuyawolf3456 8 күн бұрын
... Great... Uh I wouldn't say that
@Shimospeher
@Shimospeher 8 күн бұрын
Ah, another great and sweet character... Damn, that's why Lila was my fav then, except blatant lies ass who want be ass
@Bruh-rv2mq
@Bruh-rv2mq 8 күн бұрын
Marinette lost all the develop from london special Adrien acts like his dad still alive
@dravenasselin2971
@dravenasselin2971 8 күн бұрын
yep it's depressing
@wellidontknow1941
@wellidontknow1941 8 күн бұрын
Adrien is just an npc now I swear: literally zero character traits, negative feelings, emotions. NOTHING
@malanala7371
@malanala7371 8 күн бұрын
​@@wellidontknow1941Adrian used to have more character and quirks in the first season. But it disappeared in season 2.
@littlesparrow303
@littlesparrow303 8 күн бұрын
@@wellidontknow1941yeah like I get we did get a bit of a time skip like maybe a few months. But as someone who lost a parent it took me many months to get better. In the special he did cry & got mad at Ladybug so I do hope they make Adrien turn on her when he finds out the truth
@suolucarim_
@suolucarim_ 7 күн бұрын
@@littlesparrow303 as someone who also lost a parent i agree, i hope they'll elaborate on adrien's grief at some point, as it will probably play into decisions he makes later in the season. and adrien should totally turn on LB, she really had no right hiding such an important thing from him.
@danuostret1900
@danuostret1900 8 күн бұрын
I can't believe they made Marinette a stalker again
@samuelcaloracan
@samuelcaloracan 8 күн бұрын
And I thought they abandoned that
@IsmaelCiulla
@IsmaelCiulla 8 күн бұрын
@samuelcaloracan abandoned key word is abandoned. The writers never really resolved this main issue with Marinette. The best way for Marinette to really grow is seek some professional help to resolve her stalker issues.
@miraculerlukanette8202
@miraculerlukanette8202 8 күн бұрын
tbf she always was
@y-w-h81831
@y-w-h81831 8 күн бұрын
@@miraculerlukanette8202yea but last season her character developed and they just went backwards
@IsmaelCiulla
@IsmaelCiulla 8 күн бұрын
@@miraculerlukanette8202 exactly
@heitorgonzalesneto9189
@heitorgonzalesneto9189 8 күн бұрын
I just love that even the lucky charm was like: Marinette stop🤚stop messing up the plot, you’re the villain here🫵 get yourself together
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian 8 күн бұрын
I hated Marinette in this episode. And no. Her apology doesn’t fix what she did! Not everyone is going to want to be your friend Marinette! Learn that! And to add on to this. You can still be friendly with a person even if you aren’t friends with them. However. If you start making them uncomfortable after they’ve told you to stop. Then they have every right to tell you to back off!
@Pookiebear-v8x
@Pookiebear-v8x 8 күн бұрын
The way you make it sound it sounds like she murdered someone I mean yeah what she did was wrong and the whole episode pointed out how Marinette was in the wrong i’m not saying she’s a perfect character, but I will admit it was with good intentions and at the end she did apologize she’s not that bad
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 8 күн бұрын
@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian Not to mention that Marinette and Adrien already started dating in season five and she wasn't this nervous and crazy.
@ashebennett7726
@ashebennett7726 8 күн бұрын
Well said! Enough with the Mary Sue antics.
@joeleboeuf
@joeleboeuf 8 күн бұрын
​@@ashebennett7726 She's not exactly a Mary Sue. She just has plot armor.
@joeleboeuf
@joeleboeuf 8 күн бұрын
Holy shit, it's you! I didn't know you had a KZbin Channel.
@Spiderlass
@Spiderlass 8 күн бұрын
I'm pretty sure the reason her prosthetic legs broke it's because they had gotten soap in them from marinette's weird actions earlier. We see droplets of soapy water come out of the moments before they break. So basically it was all marinette's fault
@blackblur6000
@blackblur6000 8 күн бұрын
I love Marinette but what she did to Sublimes legs was unforgivable. Whether it’s because of the soap or her interrupting the trial, had Marinette not stalked at all this wouldn’t have happened. I hope moving forward she will stop but who am I kidding, she won’t🤦🏾‍♂️
@cjgamer6356
@cjgamer6356 7 күн бұрын
Or if Marinette tried calling her again
@theanansi4270
@theanansi4270 8 күн бұрын
The fact that Marinette wasn't affected by the 'be better' power of Sublime because "she's already the best version of herself" And in the same 5 minutes of the episode, she had the realization that she was the villain that her lucky charm pointed to, not the akumatized victim. It's just a sad confirmation from the Writers that they are not planning on redempting her character.
@thelittlemerman1998
@thelittlemerman1998 8 күн бұрын
Nah if a guy was doing this to his girlfriend he would automatically be labeled as a creep, controlling and toxic but I guess when a girlfriend dose it to her boyfriend it’s cute and quirky I can’t the DOUBLE STANDARDS
@Kakuyawolf3456
@Kakuyawolf3456 8 күн бұрын
*Shows you Chloe* Guess your new here
@xdustyx2982
@xdustyx2982 8 күн бұрын
​@@Kakuyawolf3456When did Chloe stalk anyone and it wasn't show in a negative light?
@greenstarlover1
@greenstarlover1 8 күн бұрын
​​@@xdustyx2982 No, they show Chloe as an example of double standards in the show in general - how Chloe is treated for her actions against Marinette for example.
@xdustyx2982
@xdustyx2982 8 күн бұрын
@@greenstarlover1 oh ok thank you for the clarification
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 8 күн бұрын
@@Kakuyawolf3456 Chloe didnt stalk anyone and genuinly if flawed was there for Adrien. Marinette didnt hate Chloe for being a freiend, she hated her for being near Adrien. And Chloe has too much selfrespect to be that jealous.
@RubyGalaxyYT
@RubyGalaxyYT 8 күн бұрын
Sublime absloutly trouncing Marinnette's plans every time aside the breaking of the leg blade was really funny. I think the breaking of the running blade is an attempt to fit a block thorugh the wrong hole, they wanted Marinette to be responsable for causing some sort of damage to Sublime but couldn't find a way due to Sublime previously shutting down the previous attempts of savior complex from Marinette without any effort so they written them selves into a corner and had to break the reality of the running blade's endurance to get out of it.
@Karomix3
@Karomix3 4 күн бұрын
To be fair to Sublime she had no idea Marinette was trying to befriend her by wanting a certain situation to happen so she could "help her and then befriend her" and I honestly was happy that Sublime never needed Marinette's help, only got it at the end for something Marinette entirely caused on her own and Sublime couldn't legit do anything about it.
@yasY0L0
@yasY0L0 8 күн бұрын
If they're still going the 'Marinette is stalking everyone' route then I think they should double down on this and make a point in the narrative to highlight how being the guardian makes her suffer in her normal life, because when she's a superhero she always has to assume the worst will happen to protect herself. And it would be hard to separate that mindset from when you're trying to live a normal life. I feel like they should eventually confront her about how weird she's being, and that she has the realisation that being Guardian is it literally consuming her and she starts to take, a small step back. This would allow Chat Noir to get his fill of screen time, and I feel like it would be interesting to have him leading missions and to have Adrian in general try to solve SOMETHING instead of it all being on Marinette. Like the do you tried once failed and never did it again, and in the realities he found out by accident he ended up destroying the world. Having Adrian try to get a grip, and try to rationalise Solutions will hopefully get him to realise that he's so far behind in knowledge. Because at this point it should be called, Miraculous Ladybug: Tales of Ladybug and Rena Rouge. LET CHAT NOIR CATCH UP WITH THE MIRACULOUS KNOWLEDGE AND LET HIM GET MORE SCREENTIME, BECAUSE KEEPING HIM CLUELESS LITERALLY COULD END THERE WORLD.
@dandrecollier800
@dandrecollier800 8 күн бұрын
Damn if only they had a competent writing team to execute that idea of yours, but nope the stalking will be treated as "slapstick" at best and "kooky" at worst
@yasY0L0
@yasY0L0 8 күн бұрын
@dandrecollier800 I genuinely think/hope that they might head in similar direction, because this is the first and only time that they've ever really called Marinette out on her stalker tendencies. And it's to the point where even Alya is becoming disappointed, frustrated and a bit concerned. So I'm just hoping that later on in the season or even in the next season if there is one that the firmly address the big elephant in the room, and it'll lead to her almost getting her identity revealed. Like her structure of secrecy will collapse from the inside because she's so upset with trying to make sure everything works out she fails to see the point in which it becomes creepy
@dandrecollier800
@dandrecollier800 8 күн бұрын
@yasY0L0 also if this is a "kids" show aren't they teaching young impressionable girls that stalking your man and making an absolute buffoon of yourself cause you can't trust your boyfriend at all and NEED to be friends with everyone is a good thing? That's a rather horrific lesson to teach
@yasY0L0
@yasY0L0 8 күн бұрын
@@dandrecollier800 that's why I think they're going to be like, "actually mental health is important, sometimes you need to step away from your psychotic tendencies and my other people take over your responsibilities for you to recover. Marinette example of this as we turn a stalker into a superstar" But I feel like at this point they've realised that they mean demographic is no longer children. They messed up by making this a kid show, the original concept was for this to be an anime and I would have argued it would have been a better concept despite the difficulties because there would have been less fellow and a more complex narrative as animes for a much older audience. They got to about halfway through Season 4 and realised that the main people watching this I'm not part of the target audience, and have been slowly trying to make the narrative and the Show as a whole more complex but a failing because of the plot holes they left behind
@dandrecollier800
@dandrecollier800 8 күн бұрын
@yasY0L0 can you explain the part when you say that "They realized that the mean demographic is no longer children" I came into this fandom lady year so I haven't seen all the older episodes. Mainly season five and the London special
@snatchingcareers4681
@snatchingcareers4681 8 күн бұрын
6 seasons of miraculous and nothing has changed in Marinette’s character development? I don’t find her stalking and tearing down other girls amusing, I’m actually kind of tired and disappointed that this is still a plot line.
@morvo2573
@morvo2573 8 күн бұрын
This episode gave me a good chuckle but killed me on the inside 😂
@lasseehrenreich5502
@lasseehrenreich5502 8 күн бұрын
I like Sublime and and so excited for her development as characters Marinette did cross the line but at least the series acknowledged she did something wrong for once
@Opalkitsune.
@Opalkitsune. 8 күн бұрын
Does sublimes father look like the merge mansion grandma to anyone else?
@lasseehrenreich5502
@lasseehrenreich5502 8 күн бұрын
a little bit with the glasses and the hair
@Kakuyawolf3456
@Kakuyawolf3456 8 күн бұрын
Not gonna lie I thought he was a grandma
@adamcurazi2122
@adamcurazi2122 8 күн бұрын
Great, now I can’t unsee it. 😂🤣
@rickireymarcano2904
@rickireymarcano2904 6 күн бұрын
Sublime herself looks like Silvermist( from Tinkerbell) to me.
@goldenjax13
@goldenjax13 8 күн бұрын
11:47 I think it's cause she walked over the soap which made her prostheses slippery
@KayterinMaimay
@KayterinMaimay 8 күн бұрын
Yeah it was, they even animated soap bubbles on her blades while she was running
@nonsoalonzo9220
@nonsoalonzo9220 8 күн бұрын
I agree
@dspace4514
@dspace4514 8 күн бұрын
And here i thought she learned after the fake Akuma in Dark Owl.
@kubat4925
@kubat4925 8 күн бұрын
I mean, the fake akuma worked, it was just that The Owl was too incompetent and got himself hurt.
@fatimamir2006
@fatimamir2006 8 күн бұрын
when ws that
@kubat4925
@kubat4925 8 күн бұрын
@ Dark Owl
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian 8 күн бұрын
Sublime looking uncomfortable: How..Unique! You can just tell she wanted to say creepy. But was sparing Adrien’s feelings. Even though I would’ve definitely said. Your girlfriend is stalking you?! How are you okay with that?!
@Harumi27282
@Harumi27282 8 күн бұрын
Fun fact : 1.Chrysalis give massage shoulders 😂to this Akumatized villain 2. Sublime has 4 different hairstyles ( wish they did the same to Adrien's clothes)
@danuostret1900
@danuostret1900 8 күн бұрын
I don't think Gabriel cared enough to buy him clothes lol
@Nerdonardo-1
@Nerdonardo-1 8 күн бұрын
@@danuostret1900 And the worst, is that he is fashion model.
@starlaixystar
@starlaixystar 8 күн бұрын
@@Nerdonardo-1 And Marinette which wears the same clothes every time is so-called fashion designer, she has nothing to do with fashion, she is not even girly.
@Seven-h-kun
@Seven-h-kun 4 күн бұрын
Doesn't Adrien just have several copies of the same clothes he wear?
@Harumi27282
@Harumi27282 4 күн бұрын
@Seven-h-kun u know what i mean
@dangerbuffrocky
@dangerbuffrocky 8 күн бұрын
14:49 you missed the mark here. Sublimation makes people BETTER versions of themselves, not PERFECT. Because for humans, there's no such thing as perfection. People make mistakes, and will continue to no matter how much they improve. It's how you move past them and address them that makes you the best version of yourself.
@nachosucker2014
@nachosucker2014 8 күн бұрын
Holy potato is that Cole as pfp
@dangerbuffrocky
@dangerbuffrocky 8 күн бұрын
@nachosucker2014 yup
@Orkprof
@Orkprof 10 сағат бұрын
@dangerbuffrocky this concerns me. Her father seemed reasonably cautious, as well as supportive of his daughter. He tried to teach her that's not necessary to ALWAYS win. Then he's hit by Sublimation and he becomes LIKE HIS EX WIFE. Thus implying she was right and he was wrong 🤔
@honestlyidkmyself-r3s
@honestlyidkmyself-r3s 8 күн бұрын
Huh. Managed to see it in a minute of release. Pog Marinette definitely wont change. Writers are incapable or writing a teenager girl who matured. Lol
@realradiantrei
@realradiantrei 8 күн бұрын
well there are some new writers in the team but idk if theyre gonna fix ts
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 8 күн бұрын
I mean, wasn't that the purpose of Derision? To give her a retcon-trauma for her to get over it and have confidence in herself? Or even the writers themselves think that episode is bad and prefer to ignore it.
@honestlyidkmyself-r3s
@honestlyidkmyself-r3s 7 күн бұрын
@@mayotango1317 You can never be sure about these writers. May as well make bets on what do they think and still win a lottery ticket lol
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 7 күн бұрын
@@honestlyidkmyself-r3s Well, I think that episode is no-canon now in the post-wish universe.
@babelfish311
@babelfish311 8 күн бұрын
I think the main thing is we are only 2 episodes in and missing the context of the first one. I'd really like an actual explanation to why Marinette has sort of regressed, we can speculate and give our own explanations but I want to know the in-universe one. If lots of other episodes do show more of Marinette being like the end of season 5, addressing her guilt and such, then I can enjoy these episodes more. But if most of the season is like this it is quite the whiplash. I enjoy the more light hearted shenanigans, especially with how the new animation leans more into the cartoony side of things, but I can't forget where this is coming off from. Overall I think people are tending to jump the gun a bit with all the panic/hate/disappointment I see online.
@realradiantrei
@realradiantrei 8 күн бұрын
same but i think (or hope) that this season will kinda be like season 1 with the backstory explanation after the end of s5 in the later episodes or finale cause we need an explanation on what happened!!! why is adrien okay again didnt his dad die???
@babelfish311
@babelfish311 8 күн бұрын
@realradiantrei Same! We know there is am Adrien centred episode coming up at least so hopefully there will be some more Adrien things throughout the season 🙏.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 8 күн бұрын
Remember, this is the post-wish universe. The old one died. This is a new retcon show.
@Sui_Generiss
@Sui_Generiss 8 күн бұрын
Although Marinette's behavior got worse and the writers don't want to change it. I very much like that throughout the whole episode, Tikki was genuinely worried how to far gone Marinette has been. Even in Illusthater, Tikki tried to knock some sense into her. With Ladybug's lucky charm becoming a makeup compact with a mirror on it. It's very much telling that either the powers/Tikki is trying to talk to Marinette and telling her straight fowardly that she needs to reflect on herself rather than trying to help people who don't need it. I think even with the Kwagatama (don't know how to spell it), it's very much foreshadowing that Marinette will have a breakdown eventually leading her being akumatized. I think what we're witnessing now is Marinette going down that dark path leading to a probable akumatization. Poor Tikki, she's watching her holder losing herself, while Marinette thinks she's helping, but is only hurting herself more and more.
@rubenlohata5263
@rubenlohata5263 8 күн бұрын
you're plotting
@DarkWarchieff
@DarkWarchieff 8 күн бұрын
You'd think operant conditioning has stopped this behavior.
@skyenight-by8yh
@skyenight-by8yh 8 күн бұрын
As much as I’d didn’t like the fact that she got her stalker mode again, I’m glad to see how the Lucky Charm called her out on it. 😅 As for Sublime, I like her and the representation of her being a para-athlete, but she could use some more depth to her. 😊
@craigpeoples9883
@craigpeoples9883 8 күн бұрын
When your own powers call you out on your bs, you know you screwed up.
@MeemahSN
@MeemahSN 7 күн бұрын
I'm curious to see where they take Sublime's character.
@CamXV1000
@CamXV1000 8 күн бұрын
Sublime is a Disney princess 👸
@0deadx21
@0deadx21 8 күн бұрын
She's closer to live-action Cinderella.
@orlastarburst
@orlastarburst 8 күн бұрын
LMK FAN SPOTTED⁉️
@K2SonicFan
@K2SonicFan 8 күн бұрын
I love your miraculous ladybug reviews/summaries
@rundc896
@rundc896 8 күн бұрын
The other thing that's confusing from last episode is, how does Marinette not know how to be in a relationship and show affection? The fact she has to look at other people on how to be affectionate towards Adrien when literally she has great parents as role models to follow is completely backwards.
@DJ_TJ03
@DJ_TJ03 7 күн бұрын
Honestly I thought Sublime was a nice addition (better than Zoe tbh) however I feel like she is just going to be a plot device for Lila and Tomoé going forward. She had the same cutesy childish voice Zoe has along with very similar physical characteristics.
@Emryn_VocaVT
@Emryn_VocaVT 2 күн бұрын
Oh no one of Marinette's friends doesn't have a miraculous!! I bet the writers are gonna fix that soon
@emiliaw262
@emiliaw262 4 күн бұрын
Miraculous has "brand new introduced character has family drama" cliché (Kagami, Luka, Zoe, now Sublime)
@reviewsandtheories4941
@reviewsandtheories4941 8 күн бұрын
what i absolutely hate is how they keep portraying parents badly especially when most of them are just trying to get their kids to be the best they can knowing very well their capabilities ,sublime's mother was not being harsh but was trying her a confidence boost she at that moment did not need to be told its ok to fail or whatever but instead told she can do it and she will if look closely she was nervous and fearful . Not to mention during her akumatization she praised sublime wishing others were like her daughter so yes i dont mean tomoe or or gabriel but sublime mother really just wants what's best for her daughter soo yeah thats my rant
@Kakuyawolf3456
@Kakuyawolf3456 8 күн бұрын
She's basically Kagimi mum with Andrey Borigous turned up to 11 if people call them out for 'quote on quote' we calling out this wanna be Karen
@reviewsandtheories4941
@reviewsandtheories4941 8 күн бұрын
@Kakuyawolf3456 she maybe strict but she's way better than Audrey or tomorrow and and cares for her daughter because unlike Yagami Cloe or Adrian she needs to work hard for her future and does not have connections
@nobody2996
@nobody2996 8 күн бұрын
I mean, she wasn't the worst, but punctuating 80% of her dialogue with "DON'T BE LIKE YOUR LOSER, WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT FATHER!" was a bit harsh.
@wellidontknow1941
@wellidontknow1941 8 күн бұрын
Real
@reviewsandtheories4941
@reviewsandtheories4941 8 күн бұрын
@nobody2996 consider they're divorced she probably had her own issues so unless we know the context we can't judge
@tutitqueen2701
@tutitqueen2701 Күн бұрын
i liked this episode, especially sublime; i hope we'll get to see more of her and maybe have her be a friend of adrien's (becuase why does marinette have a, what, six?? person friend group and adrien's only friend that is really defined as his friend is nino really)(and obv plagg
@o26kaichu20
@o26kaichu20 8 күн бұрын
I have some thoughts that they're intending to show her getting worse so they can build her back up. But... as with most good ideas they have, if I'm right, they're doing it sloppily and with little transition. And don't get me wrong she never really stopped being a stalker. BUT in terms of her backsliding it's less of a backslide and more of the same with her flip-flopping between seasonal vibes and the reaction to the episodes really drive this home.
@ZanyCartoons
@ZanyCartoons 4 күн бұрын
I know the episode tries to tell me that Marinette genuinely wants to be friends with Sublime but is just weird about it but it feels like she only wants to be friends with her because she's close to Adrien and she can't trust any girl to be his friend unless they are her friend as well. This episode not just shows her terrible stalking behavior had never changed but her controlling issues had also gotten worst.
@-RedroseTheoneandonly-
@-RedroseTheoneandonly- 8 күн бұрын
My favorite part of the episode was Aliya and Tiki trying to talk Marinette sense into them, it’s very refreshing and it makes the whole episode a bit more realistic… eh, besides Sublime.
@lasseehrenreich5502
@lasseehrenreich5502 8 күн бұрын
I really hope so
@MagikmearJ
@MagikmearJ 8 күн бұрын
I was fighting demons trying to finish the episode in one go after the scene where she plays the harp, truly a hard watch
@RafiHossain-fz3yh
@RafiHossain-fz3yh 8 күн бұрын
When a ancient mystical being like Tikki gets massively upset, you know it’s very sad.
@dravenasselin2971
@dravenasselin2971 8 күн бұрын
agreed
@snooker7107
@snooker7107 8 күн бұрын
Marinette seems a bit Flanderized in this ep, but as long as there is development i am ok with it
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 8 күн бұрын
Just watch any Kagami episode with Marinette try to be her friend. Is more better.
@miguelmarmolejo7040
@miguelmarmolejo7040 8 күн бұрын
This was the worst episode of this season so far, I'm surprised that Adrien has quite normalized Marinette's horrible behaviors. She uses her powers in a rather irresponsible way, Tikki looks like she's fed up about her and even Lucky Charm tells her that she's the problem. The little development she had went to garbage, in Protection she had learned not to do those things but here she forgot it just because. She is literally the Marinette of season 1 but worse, so annoying and stalker. Do the writers or Thomas himself find this funny or think it's okay for her to do these things or why do they write this? It's a shame that this animation is being wasted on these garbage scripts. And I find it hard to believe that there are still people who defend her and say the excuse that she's a teenager or she's traumatized because of Gabriel, those are already pretty absurd excuses
@zahwon6351
@zahwon6351 6 күн бұрын
I felt my entire body cringe when they said you're the perfect version of ourselves. Ps Akuma in my language means shet so glad I can laugh at that
@kingpugisthebest
@kingpugisthebest 8 күн бұрын
Sublime’s name is a synonym for beauty and grandeur so basically her parents named her beautiful
@alphaunit9154
@alphaunit9154 8 күн бұрын
Never thought we would have a runner-up for the worst parent after Gabriel. Color me impress miraculous writers.
@empressofcreativity
@empressofcreativity 4 күн бұрын
I thought Chloe’s mom was after him
@alphaunit9154
@alphaunit9154 4 күн бұрын
@empressofcreativity well she 50/50, from the parents she still somewhat cares for chloe as a person. Not like Gabriel, who saw Adrien as an object, he could exploit
@slaybutton1692
@slaybutton1692 8 күн бұрын
I wish they focused on other heroes instead of introducing a new character...
@graceh4
@graceh4 8 күн бұрын
This was literally my least favorite episode of the whole franchise. It’s sort of funny considering how Illustrhater is now my favorite episode out of the whole franchise. The fact that Marinette broke her prosthetics because she thought she was in love with Adrien or something like that is actually insane to me. Technically there was more that but that was basically what happened. Stalkernette is just…not it. Also I don’t know if it’s just me but the EXTRA CRAZY goofiness like the running on the wall, running with a WHOLE PLANT, and the weird tiptoeing is quite weird to me. I’m not a fan, like, I can take the Illustrhater silliness but this was too much for me. This was just not a good episode.
@maryamsalah135
@maryamsalah135 8 күн бұрын
Agree, the goofiness and Looney Tunes style (or whatever it's called) is way too much
@TheBorhork
@TheBorhork 8 күн бұрын
I really like the new animation. This episode was kinda cringy and they need to move on from these old gimmicks again.
@dokjaisdead
@dokjaisdead 8 күн бұрын
you’d think after 6 seasons she’d actually develop and move away from stalking…
@TNL175-e7l
@TNL175-e7l 6 күн бұрын
Can’t someone just yell at Marinette already???? I’m sick and tired of her stupidity!
@aaronjackson8204
@aaronjackson8204 8 күн бұрын
“Isn’t this the same building everyone went to school in?” I think it’s a different school. Cause remember the principal got fired, and they had to go apply different schools, I think.
@nonsoalonzo9220
@nonsoalonzo9220 8 күн бұрын
New animation + the new Mayor's eco friendly policies = the same school with a few changes 😊
@beccad3296
@beccad3296 6 күн бұрын
No, it's the same school, but in the season 5 finale they say Mayor Boustier had made it different. Paraphrasing her speech: No classes or struggling to get good grades (which kinda goes against Marinette mentioning a Greek Mythology class), children of all ages will be able to mix and freely access activities of all kinds, try their hands at everything and learn at their own pace (guess that includes working with woodland animals) and help each other until they figure out what they want to do
@kaine8911
@kaine8911 8 күн бұрын
They casually just ruined Marinette's character development for the past 6 seasons. Her and Adrian's relationship shouldn't even be "new" at this point. What happened to the season 5 epilogue?
@dravenasselin2971
@dravenasselin2971 8 күн бұрын
I Have no idea
@Shimospeher
@Shimospeher 8 күн бұрын
What? Propably nothing special to, let say, understand that Marinette had nearly 150 episodes to develop some things. Why should she, she's Perfect🐢🐢🐢
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 8 күн бұрын
Months ago, I once wrote "New season, new artstyle, same old tired plots." In the video you talked about the first trailer for season 6. My god...I was just kidding about that, I didn't expect them would take it seriously and actually do that. There is nothing original in this episode or that was done better in other episodes. If we're going to have 26 episodes of the same old same old cringe Adrienette but with new coat of paint, we better consider fanfics the new canon.
@dain843
@dain843 7 күн бұрын
No amount of amazing animations could save a pile of turd writings
@Sirena101
@Sirena101 3 күн бұрын
I got the feeling the true reason Marinette insisted on being friends with Sublime was to insert herself into Adrien & Sublime’s cozy friendship. They can’t do stuff alone together if they become a threesome, cause then they’d be isolating Marinette on purpose. So Marinette decides to become Sublime’s friend to protect herself and prevent Sublime & Adrien’s friendship from getting too intimate. By the end of the episode, she gets what she wants. Does that mean she’s still jealous? Yeah, probably, but she’ll pretend not to be because if she was jealous, that would mean she’s a bad person and a terrible friend (according to her). In other words, Marinette is deluding herself again 😓
@dearbhlajoehoctor
@dearbhlajoehoctor 8 күн бұрын
4:49 the girl with black hair is Iris Verdi,one of lilas personalities
@atarusama101
@atarusama101 8 күн бұрын
16:08 the person here is also wearing a very similar outfit to the girl you pointed out. It’s highly plausible it’s the same person and really adds to Lila being everywhere whilst remaining unseen at large
@nodonodo1394
@nodonodo1394 8 күн бұрын
15:30 actually, it only reversed because ladybug was the "villain" all along, and when she realized it and the villain was "gone" then all the damage caused by her was reversed.
@liaheben
@liaheben 7 күн бұрын
Sublime parents are the kind of parents that try to give the better life to a girl like Sublime. Her father is compasive and worried about her mental health and feelings, her mother is worried about training her daughter so she could live proudly in a world that could be very cruel and merciless specially with people like Sublime.
@bqd.n.crayz33_kz
@bqd.n.crayz33_kz 7 күн бұрын
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING BACK THE OLD THUMBNAIL
@d.b2417
@d.b2417 7 күн бұрын
I love this scene 10:20 where she just went "I'll give you attention later, please behave"
@supercoolmaniajon265
@supercoolmaniajon265 4 күн бұрын
11:29 "Damn this character sucks." That's literally the point. 😂
@matthewnord5238
@matthewnord5238 6 күн бұрын
Sublime’s mom felt like a gender bent Gabriel Agreste, but without any of the funny or interesting parts of his character, just abusing their “perfect” child.
@natibrutkowska5760
@natibrutkowska5760 3 күн бұрын
So with the graphics the quality of the plot has also dropped? who would have thought....
@Dazzle_Novak_
@Dazzle_Novak_ 8 күн бұрын
Marinette never got even a slap on the wrist for her weird behavior for it always came good for her in the end. By so called "reverting character development" they actually "facing character negative traits to resolve them by confronting consequences of their actions" Like it should've been, instead of "She acted like a weirdo all time, but she got a boy, and was sad in the London special, so anything else can be ignored". No it's not.
@thanos4769
@thanos4769 8 күн бұрын
My main problem with this episode is the lesson marinnete is supposed to learn. She says that the lucky charm can't fix the damage because the villain didn't do anything, but then uses it up anyway to repair the prosthetic legs that SHE broke, when the villain wasn't there yet. It would have been a much more interesting plot line if the legs weren't repaired and ladybug helped sublime build a new pair (even using a superhero power buddy). Because in the end, what did Ladybug learn from this? "Oh no, I made a mistake and I can't fix it with my superpowers- no wait, miraculous ladybugs suddenly did it for me yay"
@annieandelsieofarendelle3294
@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 8 күн бұрын
@@thanos4769 And maybe have Sublime not forgive Marinette which would show she isn’t someone who can just be pushed over because Marinette cried a bit and give her a little more edge.
@nonsoalonzo9220
@nonsoalonzo9220 8 күн бұрын
Ladybug has the power of creation, this is probably just an expansion of her abilities, and I doubt ladybug knows how to build prosthetic legs 😂😂😂
@wellidontknow1941
@wellidontknow1941 8 күн бұрын
I remember an explanation for lucky charm in London special - it repairs the damage done by a specific villain, and since marinette is the villain it have repaired her doings. I do agree that this is BULLSHIT - I literally started raging while watching the episode when prosthetics got fixed
@theanansi4270
@theanansi4270 8 күн бұрын
​@@wellidontknow1941yeah that was convenient for her to have the realization of being the villain of the episode only for the purpose of her repairing damage done by her. Without getting any of the consequences or further character development. It's just there to create the ultimate Mary Sue powers (actually, I'm kinda impressed how they constructed maybe the most Mary Sue powers known to humankind )
@wellidontknow1941
@wellidontknow1941 8 күн бұрын
@@theanansi4270 yea, gotta love how despite narrative presenting her as a villain writers still snuck in the “but guys she’s doing her best just like sublime uwu don’t judge her🥺🥺”
@redrawnation6072
@redrawnation6072 6 күн бұрын
Looking at how the shows episodes premired, episode 1 has some plots to introduce. Those being the antikumas, President Bustier being akumatised, the butterfly miraculous being activated, the whole trajectory of the season and some of the upgrades Marinete has given to the miraculous when she got them back in the london special.
@amidoshi03
@amidoshi03 8 күн бұрын
The full episode I was literally shaking my head, facepalming, and going "I can't wait for Smarty Pants to review this 😂" While the jokes are good we're back at the cringe 🤦🏻‍♀️
@dena81
@dena81 8 күн бұрын
I really freaking hate that they had to bring the stalker bit again. Fine I get you won't redeem Chloe but can't you at least teach the youth that stalking your crush, and even more so your boyfriend, is just weird and actually toxic behavior? Let's make this a teaching moment and try to fix our heroine and stop making me (the weird adult watching this show) cringe so badly every time she has to act like this.
@dangerbuffrocky
@dangerbuffrocky 8 күн бұрын
I mean, didn't the entire episode frame her as being in the wrong?
@cassiyahsmith9940
@cassiyahsmith9940 8 күн бұрын
@dangerbuffrocky I think what’s really rubbing people the wrong way is that she’s still rewarded for acting like this. Sublime forgives her immediately after the apology and now they’re friends. If she had a lasting consequence, like Sublime forgave her apology, but asked her to leave her alone and didn’t want to be her friend, that would leave off on a bittersweet note that would make Marinette reflect more. It would be a visible and tangible consequence that would make Marinette think twice about stalking Adrien or people around him again.
@dangerbuffrocky
@dangerbuffrocky 8 күн бұрын
@cassiyahsmith9940 but bottom line is that she still owned up to her mistakes. To me, that's development, because before this wasn't the case
@torchhead1643
@torchhead1643 6 күн бұрын
2:58 they probably thought that shes... Ugh.. sublime.
@HackiePuffs
@HackiePuffs 3 күн бұрын
You know with how intense Marinette gets with digging up peoples information she could’ve used that to try and figure out who Hawk Moth was or figure out who the new moth holder is (ie Lila)
@wellidontknow1941
@wellidontknow1941 8 күн бұрын
Personally.. i dont think Sublimes mom is that bad. The way she treats her ex-husband is surely not good, as well as putting her daughter at the edge with stress about winning, but honestly i kind of understand her parenting methods and don't see her as the bad guy at least from what we've seen so far. I think for your child to really succeed in life you've gotta be preparing them from young age. You can call me tough, bad future parent, but i know as a child with overprotective and easygoing mom, that picking yourself from ground up in "becoming adult" age is really tough when you're neither disciplined or know how to do all sorts of stuff for independent life, while also lacking bravery for making decisions, self worth and confidence. Wouldn't want my child to go through that
@S0me_0ne334
@S0me_0ne334 8 күн бұрын
I feel Sublime's parents are the two faces of parents with a handicaped child. The father feels sorry and wants to relieve her from any difficulty (when she's having trouble carrying the bag he wants to help her) while the mom is the harsh side of it, who thinks her child has to do twice as much as others to be equally happy and whom she needs to 'put in shape' before she dies or else there will be nobody to take care of them once she's gone.
@DragonGoddess18
@DragonGoddess18 8 күн бұрын
11:24 Pffth, that's an insult. To cows Cows have great maternal instincts, Sublime's mother? No. Plus, she's projecting. Why? She keeps calling her ex-husband and the father of their daughter a "loser", but she hasn't looked in a mirror lately
@little.prince
@little.prince 8 күн бұрын
Reasons I quit the show and decided to stick with the movies: This episode.
@hunterrousseau3770
@hunterrousseau3770 6 күн бұрын
Alongside the s5 finale of course here.
@VolcanVanis
@VolcanVanis 7 күн бұрын
The reason Ladybug’s plan worked is because the power is to help people surpass their fears. The dad was afraid of his daughter getting hurt. When he was perfected, he no longer felt that fear. Ladybug had already surpassed her fear when she was sublimed.
@Orkprof
@Orkprof 5 күн бұрын
Am I the only one who's not so fond of Sublime? She's not interesting at all: she's super perfect in all fields, has basically no issues (barring one moment in the restroom, during her monologue at the mirror, but... what was that about? Was she merely talking back to her own insecurities or was she hinting at some kind of illness or conditions she suffers from? Unclear.)... There isn't even that much of a conflict with her mother: sure she pushes her to excel again and again, but... she doesn't seem to mind. It's what she wants, too. And she manages to excel, seemingly effortlessly, in all areas. Seems to be the authors here were trying to avoid the classic mistake of flatten a character by reducing them to one single trait - her disability, in this case - but in order to achieve that they OVERLOADED her with other qualities to the point she's an unbelievable superwoman with no real problems or conflicts... and that's boring.
@bumblebeeproductions1673
@bumblebeeproductions1673 8 күн бұрын
I’ve seen people say that Marinette inspired them to stalk their partners or crush and I’m legit scared for these fans cause what
@TwinkleStar707
@TwinkleStar707 8 күн бұрын
I think the power made sense as to why it didn’t affect the heroes. I imagine it’s more of a mental thing that can turn people into what they believe is the best version of themselves. Perhaps the dad deep down believed he could’ve been a better father which is why he was affected. Chat Noir was already confident but Ladybug at first wasn’t and I think if she was hit before CN gave her that pep talk she would’ve been affected. But because he restored her confidence in her own ability and believed that she was as good as a ladybug as she could be at that moment she wasn’t affected anymore.
@limatoo9281
@limatoo9281 8 күн бұрын
Agree that's how I understood it as well I mean I thought they tried showing that with the other few people that were hit by sublimation before ladybug and chat noir
@kingdomofhagerville
@kingdomofhagerville 8 күн бұрын
12:04 It was the soap that she stepped on when seeing soapinator that wore her prosthesis down
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian 8 күн бұрын
Which was Marinette’s fault! Marinette. You’re not allowed to touch buckets of soapy water anymore. You cause problems!
@StevenCatalin
@StevenCatalin 8 күн бұрын
I will keep saying this, I hate how Marinette became friends with Sublime. It reminds me of how she saw originally Kagami as her love rival and wanted to befriend her so she can persuade her to not be in love with Adrien.... Not gonna lie this also reminds me to some degree of the cursed game Yandere Simulator (god, it feels disgusting to even say the name of the game). In that game on the elimination methods involves convincing the rivals to give up on the main love interest by befriending them. Mind you, the playable character over there is meant to represent the yandere archetype. Compare that to what Marinette is doing. And this is considered by Thomas "quirky", "relatable" and "funny". ITS NOT, ITS DOWNRIGHT CREEPY. I love the movie version of Marinette a hundred times more because they got rid of her stalker tendencies. I prefer the musical/dramatic format a thousand times more than... this.
@vesi1
@vesi1 8 күн бұрын
I think Sublime's parents wanted to find a sponsor not just for the World Championship but also to sponsor the production and sale of the blades, designed or engineered by the father. Hence why they find a more suitable partnership with Mrs. Suroogi. And Sublime's blades were leaving bubbles behind, from the mess Marinette made in the locker room, which probably contributed to the breaking.
@p96822
@p96822 8 күн бұрын
I can feel a little bit of sympathy for Marinette because she doesn’t feel as accomplish as sublime however, else she doesn’t is not the way to do it
@AlexGarcia-fy4li
@AlexGarcia-fy4li 8 күн бұрын
My theory is Lila akumatized herself to have similar powers as a Chameleon episode. She has the power to look like anyone and also remember everything. That's why she's spying on Marinette and ladybug. Plus would explain the multiple voices since she's technically everyone with her power so would make it difficult to know who the new hawkmoth is.
@clarisacalderon9555
@clarisacalderon9555 8 күн бұрын
Honestly...I just want adrien to have friends that don't shift their focus to being friends with marinette. I live her dearly but everyone tends to focus on her feelings first....I just want adrien to have other friends! Though honestly mari at least isn't actively trying to sabotage people now right?
@clarisacalderon9555
@clarisacalderon9555 8 күн бұрын
I mean...she at least has learned friendships a better route than sabotage or being mean...even kf she hasn't really learned to adjust her methods. Makes me think of when she thought of sabotaging adrien's angel wings to get a chance to hang out with him again.....not at all a good plan...but she never actually faced why that was bad. I mean kagami forgave her last time and adrien ks understanding of mari being weird and likes ger anyway(even if he doesn't knkw about the creepier stuff she's done). So I actually get why mari hasn't actually learned her lesson. Honestly thou g I thought sublime was Zoey for a bit.
@skullthefan8914
@skullthefan8914 8 күн бұрын
I agree that they overdid it, that being said since it's Marinette's first true relationship it's the first time she experiences the fear of losing her bf, the fear of someone better to take him away, and Marinette has a hard time dealing with her own emotions. Unlike past seasons, she actually reflected on her actions and was actually made as the bad person, as long as the same situation does not happen again I think it's fine to forgive it, considering it's a new experience for her She does have stalking tendencies but she was always made out to be "right" by her friends, so it makes sense it never got fixed. Hopefully this is the last time
@BabyGirlTiny
@BabyGirlTiny 5 күн бұрын
They did this before she even got with Adrien. It’s not new. That’s not new behavior
@skullthefan8914
@skullthefan8914 5 күн бұрын
@BabyGirlTiny I mean yeah but they didn't adress it, they laughed it out, this time we actually saw Marinette realise it was weird, I believe they purposefully made this episode as a closure of her stalking arc
@Orkprof
@Orkprof 5 күн бұрын
2:08 - _She needs to hit that rock-bottom point of humiliation_ ...would be a great explanation IF this sort of thing hadn't happened before and Marinette wasn't supposed to be more mature now 😞
@Superhero_and_co-f4o
@Superhero_and_co-f4o 8 күн бұрын
2:38 why do you have to be so funny🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@jedemu
@jedemu 8 күн бұрын
I do like what they're doing with Marinettes character. Making her awkward around Adrien and new characters now that she's not stalking Adrien makes sense and it's good that the narrative allows her to do some self-reflection. Is an episode like this long overdue? Absolutely. She should've behaved like that more in "Ikari Gozen", when Marinette and Kagami tried to become friends. Marinette should've learned from that in this episode. Even when she first met Zoey, she knew how to behave well.
@Kainaa_Ed
@Kainaa_Ed 8 күн бұрын
Big agree on this one, it felt really cringey watching most of it. (Least favorite part is the harp string part and Marinette having her mouth open like the fish gaping at Sublime, and the noise coming from her mouth for about 6 seconds. I also hated how she zoomed around with that giant decorative plant thing, esp on the back of her bike). I like your phrasing of calling it "loony tunes" like. That fits the description pretty well. it felt over-the-top silly and toony, and agreed, not funny at all. I wondered if even little kids thought something like that would be funny? Maybe they do, which then made me think to myself "Well, you are a 30 something adult watching a kid's show, what did you expect?" So then I lowered my standards. I instantly thought of you while watching, and knew you wouldn't like it (the silly stalking/cringe part) either hah. The rest was fine, I also loved the part where CatNoir puts Bob in the dumpster right here he belongs. I liked the way Adrien talked about Marinette to Sublime (while M was creepy hiding in the bushes), i thought it was really sweet. I am enjoying that they are now officially together. Here's hoping M can calm down a little and just enjoy it. I still didn't think the Soap villain part was funny, I was still rolling my eyes and just waiting for that part to be over, but I did enjoy the design of her villain outfit (that she somehow scraped together with materials on-hand in mere seconds). I felt bad for Sublime (Also don't like this name but It's obvious her mother named her that for reasons), seeing the harsh mother who clearly has conditioned her daughter to hate the part of herself that is fearful and hesitant (so damaging) was really sad and kind-of hit home for me. I think this will set up Sublime to be a likeable character, which seems to be working well so far, as she seems well received. I immediately think she will get to be a miraculous holder at some point. But which one? I have so much hype for this season, the episodes coming out give me something to look forward to (yes I have a sad life) and your videos as well, thank you Smarty Pants! Have a good week.
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