Submarine implosion would’ve been ‘like crushing an egg’, says former NATO submarine developer

“Those bodies will be relatively unrecognisable.”
Dickie Burston, former submarine commanding officer, reacts to the news of the lost submarine recovery on #TimesRadio.
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[@Paul20661]

F

[@barrywalton7553]

I don't have sympathy for wef members

[@jaspermartin7444]

I've watched a ton of interviews but have never heard any engineer say a "slow leaking failure" was possible. Everybody else is really clear: at those depths, any leak at all creates an instantaneous implosion with zero chance for survival. This goofball has no credibility and sorry but neither do you for dragging him on.

[@user-ih9dg3uz5y]

No loss. Just a couple of bored rich doo daas trying to see the twisted remains of a ship

[@arau8310]

No to be disrespectful of those families affected by this incident- there will not be anything left of the bodies of the crew. Most know that an explosion is an energetig outward burst (rapid expansion) of a gas that is equalizing pressure with its surrounding enviironment. An implosion is very similar, but in reverse. The high pressure differential, which the Titan hull was designed to mitigate, was overcome with force, and the craft caved in under 6000 pounds per square inch. Imagine the weight of 2 midsize cars (3000 lbs each) on top of one another and then concentrated down to a 1" x 1" square. That's the force of the environment against the hull of the ship as it raced inward during catastrophic failure. The pressure at 12,500 feet under water is roughly 400 times the load the human body is used to dealing with at sea level. In addition to the mechanical effects of the implosion on a human body, there's the effects of rapid depressurization internally. The people will not be found in any outwardly recognizable form, but DNA and dental record analysis can prove who was on board, but we already know that information. My condolences to the families and friends of these brave adventurers. They did live life while they were here in a way few of us will.

[@johndavid5618]

"Best to leave Wrecks sites alone, and have respect. Rip

[@NDRAAA20]

This is extremely well put.

[@Totalinternalreflection]

There probably won't even be teeth to find,

[@DaveBudness]

They will become tomatoe soup!

[@ilosssssshx]

With that type of pressure would bones not collapse on the marrow

[@ajspice]

Instant burial at sea. It's crazy to think that a person can essentially be erased in just milliseconds.

[@sfasto1]

Him and his business actually.

[@orionmachine9745]

​@@sfasto1bombs can do it

[@user-ih9dg3uz5y]

what a rush tho

[@ajspice]

@@user-ih9dg3uz5y Too fast to experience anything. It's like the end of Sopranos.

[@user-ih9dg3uz5y]

@@ajspice

[@coderider3022]

Better than the alternative , running out of air and suffocating, freezing etc. happen quicker than your can cognitively process so you wouldn’t know it.

[@Travis_22]

Indeed.

[@steelbltz]

That’s the best kindve death in my eyes, so quick you can’t process it happening

[@Christrulesall2]

Yes. If i was in there, this is my preferred way to go. Blink of an eye.

[@hindesite]

Not in the version Hollywood is going to make.

[@steelbltz]

@@hindesite 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@krist6074]

It’s hard to imagine that there’s nothing left of a human body after being exposed to these pressures. I can’t help but wonder what these bodies look like now. It’s both interesting, yet very scary to think about it. Rest In Peace!!

[@michaelmoore2802]

My understanding is there is very little left of a body when implosion occurs at extreme depths....so sad...rip

[@diesopain260]

There is no body to begin with, because the water heats up to the surface of the sun when the whole thing collapses instantaneously. They probably vaporised immediately leaving nothing behind.

[@tiahnarodriguez3809]

If you’ve watched a horror movie where a person is reduced to pink sludge that’s what it’d look like.

[@unstartedartist]

they became heated paste that immediately dissipated into the water

[@buffalokay]

@@unstartedartistis this also what happened to the bodies that were trapped & sank with the titanic once they reached deeper depths, as the ship was sinking?

[@glenncronise7775]

About a million times more violent than crushing an egg. So violent that it took out the transponder, which was in it's own pressure vessel.

[@marcuspd477]

It had a transponder, which nobody could contact and they still wasted all this time pretending they might be running out of air? Are you sure it had a transponder? What under water technology did it broadcast via?

[@user-ih9dg3uz5y]

what a rush it must have been tho in a second you are a red stain in the ocean wow

[@glenncronise7775]

@@marcuspd477 That's what James Cameron said in his interview. It's most likely acoustic modem tech.

[@dianaskeleton6219]

​😊q

[@user-ih9dg3uz5y]

@@dianaskeleton6219 "q" what do you mean? explain if you can

[@romantheman1227]

There is no bodies to recover, the 5 occupants didn't feel a thing...the families are the ones that will forever be in emotional pain...RIP

[@mallninja9805]

An appropriate sentiment considering the pressures involved...

[@jeffhildreth9244]

True .. there "are" no bodies to recover.

[@AmetrineGaming]

@@jeffhildreth9244lol only trolls feel the need to correct comments! Nope there is none to have been recovered…… enjoy that one!

[@davidhenderson3400]

@@mallninja9805 It would be like being inside the cylinder of a giant diesel engine. The high pressure compresses the air to the point it ignites. So the got turned to paste and flash fried in milliseconds. So fast their brains would not have had time to even register what happen. So we can be thankful they went quit and did not suffer much if at all.

[@Hadzz95]

How do we know? Maybe its the most excruciating split second imaginable

[@danielbritton8588]

Submarine veteran from the late 70's. Fast Attack out of Pearl. You couldn't pay me 250,000 to go down 2 miles. Man that's creepy!

[@roberthamlin6638]

Especially in that vessel. The Ford Pinto of submersibles.

[@KyleKalevra]

380 bars, or 6,000 psi, at that depth... 2 hour trip to the bottom and it popped at 1:45… They went from biological to quantum in milliseconds.

[@Anonymous-kh3eu]

I wouldn’t even let them bolt me in that thing on land let alone in water

[@bernieoconnell5515]

This lady is so respectful in her questions and responses and is obviously affected by the tragedy. Her behaviour is so far removed from The sensational reporting of many who loose sight of the fact that we are talking about people. Respect also to the interviewee who was also conscious of the need to report on the demise of the people on board with sensitivity. RIP to all who lost their lives and condolences to their families who have to carry this awful burden.

[@thedbcooperforum]

Day- bree lol

[@alanwitton5980]

This is a very sad tragedy and my heart goes out to these people's close friends and family! They're are obviously valuable lessons to be learnt from this tragedy

[@user-ih9dg3uz5y]

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

Not really, this was all known ahead of time. What I would expect is for there to be some sort of treaty going forward to clarify who is responsible for regulating the activity and for future adventure tourists to demand that the vessels they take to these depths are properly rated by somebody that knows what they're doing and is independent of the company that built and operated the submersible. Conventional designs can be used for thousands of dives over decades when properly maintained and monitored. The Alvin has been in operation for nearly 60 years and has taken thousands of trips down to the depths without losing any crew to such a catastrophic failure. This sub was down there a fraction of 1% of those dives and had a catastrophic failure.

[@virtualtekkies]

This dude broke all the rules, did not meet industry standards to be innovative, and paid the price. Sad that he jeopardized so many lives being selfish and unprofessional

[@willowsmom5757]

And he made it a point to say he didn’t want to hire 50 year old white men who were ex military with experience. This is quite possibly the most important fact.

[@MattExzy]

I hope the CEO onboard had at least a split second comprehension of what was about to happen.

[@PatrixBest]

Don't feel bad for the others on board, they knew all of this, signed a waiver, and got on that death tube anyways

[@powderb2009]

Everyone on the thing signed waivers, so they knew full well would could happen, unfortunately something did happen. Regardless of a 30$ controller, safety or standards, The people took a risk and made a gamble and it cost them their lives. The only good thing is that these 5 individuals felt no pain when it happened.

[@Thirdhero]

Nothing of value was lost at least

[@pointermom7641]

The most intelligent and useful comments were not made by any scientist, but by, of all people, James Cameron. And he said something that I found to be very insightful. Something along the lines of “well, now, we have two vessels lying together, on the bottom of the sea, and for the same reason.“ Hubris.

[@daveroberts7295]

I wouldn't poo poo James Cameron, he has many deep sea dives. He had a vehicle built which he piloted, into the Challenger Deep, 35,000ft where the water pressure would be nearly 3 times date at the Titanic. He knows about which he speaks, on many levels.

[@mikepuleo9375]

I agree.it wasn't an "I told you so".He is very saddened by the unnecessary loss of life

[@bigneiltoo]

One hit an iceberg and froze over 3 hours. The other experienced temperatures like the sun in 1 millisecond. Same outcome.

[@Markle2k]

You are wrong to dismiss Cameron because of his primary source of income. He has put in the time and effort to earn a place in the deep submersible community. He has spent more time at great depth than almost anyone, full stop.

[@paulbirkbeck1790]

James cameron spoke in terms we all could understand. the man is a legit engineer who designed and made his own sub. He is top of the line in many different disciplines

[@LuciFeric137]

The Trieste bathyscaphe set the world record crewed dive in 1960, over 30 000 feet at the bottom of the Marianas trench. It was used for a decade without failure. 63 years ago.

[@santiagobenites]

Stockton Rush thought that he knew better.

[@julvadas]

It had 5” of nickel steel instead of fibreglass

[@HD46409]

It wasn't made of carbon fiber.

[@Totalinternalreflection]

Yeah but it was never used at that depth again

[@David-fj5lz]

The depth obviously caused metal fatigue plus salt water eats at metal unlike in space so it us unlikely anything previously used could be used again?

[@jimtalor7971]

As a form of closure I can see the families of those who perished, charter a ship to the area and hold a memorial service consistent with a burial at sea. RIP.

[@rationalbasis2172]

And take a submersible down to view the wreckage.

[@ajspice]

@@rationalbasis2172 So long as they can find a Harbor Freight along the way.

[@karnage2948]

@@rationalbasis2172😂😂

[@crystalmckinney3151]

Well this went rogue fast....🤭

[@user-ih9dg3uz5y]

What a tool of an idea, are you let out at night?

[@donnabrannan1448]

I'm 54 and my wife and I are VERY worried about our future, gas and food prices rising daily. We have had our savings dwindle with the cost of living into the stratosphere, and we are finding it impossible to replace them. We can get by, but can't seem to get ahead. My condolences to anyone retiring in this crisis, 30 years nonstop just for a crooked system to take all you worked for.

[@donnabrannan1448]

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[@angelahowie1451]

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[@donnabrannan1448]

@kalusgunterjurgen I will give this a look, thanks a bunch for sharing.

[@Michael-yd5ry]

What has this got to do with Titan ? Sorry for your circumstances but you are commenting in the wrong place.

[@matthewmcintosh4925]

@@Michael-yd5ry its a scam. Invest your money with this scammer and they promise to triple your money overnight.

[@donnieglenellyn]

I totally respect this expert’s opinion. Great overview of what happened

[@thejollygreendragon8394]

Best summary I have heard to date 🐉

[@garycallihan4206]

Yes, he talked straight and direct, did not hesitate in providing information with clarity, and never traveled the path of obfuscation. Excellent.

[@breadfan262]

I doubt it’s like an egg getting crushed.

[@mchapman1928]

@@breadfan262- Actually he’s correct. The massive forces imploded the craft, crushed it like stepping on an empty soda can. The bodies imploded also. Think about it, if the force can crush a 5” hull, think what it did to a skull. They died instantly, never knew what happened. There isn’t much to recover, nothing recognizable as a body.

[@jstanton7070]

Best example I can find right now of an unprincipaled end-stage capitalist wealth-extractor. EAT THE RICH...

[@whoknowsnubby]

Its so tragic that like the Titanic this could have been prevented but the designers of the vessel decided to ignore safety. It is a grotesque irony of history repeating itself.

[@jamegumb7298]

The only other option was to be uninspiring and listening to an old (bad) ex military (bad) cishet (bad) white (bad) male (bad) in a company that innovates. We need progression, that requires progressives. Wat we need to look out for now is an excuse for people to spout hate speech and demand hiring based on merit and performance and not equite, diversity and inclusivity as should be the norm. If principles have a price, pay it. End of. IF tha is in lives, we must. Ideas cannot die, unlike people. Die for the idea, live forever.

[@davehoward22]

The titanic was actually a thousand passengers short of its full capacity on its maiden voyage. Should've been well over 3000 on board.

[@mchapman1928]

There were several things that sunk the Titanic, hubris was one, then the construction….poor quality rivets; no binoculars available in the crows nest; the telegraph room putting personal correspondence above warnings from other ships of icebergs close by; the captain increasing speed to get to NY in record time. With the Titan, the owner was too cocky, too quick to assume his design was “fail safe” as he put it. Apparently, he believed it was, since he died in it. Too bad others had to perish too.

[@fredharvey2720]

No it was the arrogant captain

[@mchapman1928]

@@quecooo8940 - They thought the Titanic would never sink, and in a crisis situation, it would stay afloat until help arrived. They never planned on the ship listing as badly as it did, preventing many of the lifeboats, they did have, to be deployed. The ship stood a better chance of hitting the berg head on, since the bow was reinforced.

[@verduoh]

Stockton Rush wanted to be remembered as an innovator. He will go down in history as a cost-cutting, corner cutting, anti-reality, killer

[@MackemdownsouthF.T.M]

Every human is judged on actions No matter what success you've had

[@wobblybobengland]

The fish will remember him as a good meal

[@ilosssssshx]

With that mind set, every innovator, inventor and adventurer would be also, yes with modern day technology they cut corners and in all honesty should leave the graveyard that is Titanic alone but there was 5 men aboard the sub who all know the risks and singed 5 documents to explicitly acknowledge that. If and when humanity becomes multi planetary we will deal with the same heartbreak

[@cayrick]

@@wobblybobengland Billionaires don't eat like the rest of us. The fish will eat well.

[@verduoh]

@@ilosssssshx The CEO and owner of the sub was one guy. He spoke openly about how the pressure vessel was the most important thing, it was designed by NASA and other experts. He thought it indestructible but it was only certified down to 1400 metres, not to the depths the Titanic is at

[@kitlow2970]

all the media asking about recovering bodies surely must know what 'catastrophic incident' means. they didn't just float out of it.

[@roberthamlin6638]

The media are idiots. Just like the fools who risked their lives on this death trap.

[@voraciousreader3341]

They’re trying to inform the _public,_ not themselves. Why do you think they’re called “reporters”??

[@TheMailmanOfSteel]

I use that question as a general IQ test, which most Jurnos are going to fail, because they're jurnos.

[@stewartyoung3061]

Nothing left of the bodies to recover at that depth sadly for the families

[@geneobrien8907]

Especially with an implosion.

[@power2084]

Well not really. Compressible parts of the body are compressed, but the rest would be fine. I wouldn't say "Nothing left of the bodies".

[@rosejr2614]

@@geneobrien8907that’s not true, educate yourself

[@rosejr2614]

@@power2084exactly

[@strictlyyoutube6881]

@@power2084 What about scavengers at those depths.

[@jim2376]

Instant death is preferable to waiting 90 hours to suffocate. RIP.

[@oceanmariner]

On the positive side, the company head, the man that didn't want safety testing, was in the sub. Karma.

[@derekv8534]

Yeah, the CEO who fired the engineers and tech experts that warned him that his sub was a POS and not worthy of those types of depths.

[@alien4422]

From what I've learnt he had a woke recruitment policy and did not believe in hiring white 50 year old ex navy guys with vast experience of submarines. Imagine if aircraft designers and Air traffic controllers were hired using the same methodology. News here in the UK is describing them as explorers pushing humanity to the next level. The reality is that they were mega wealthy people who had more money than sense.

[@ERROL007]

Woke as opposed to a MAGA recruitment policy? What are you talking about ?

[@lizardking1096]

@@alien4422 Spot on.

[@oceanmariner]

@@ERROL007 ?

[@PrincipeCaspianX]

Being crushed like an egg is what everyone who likes to gamble with their life for fun and adventure deserves.

[@peterblair6489]

Deceased don't exist any more, I'm afraid. An implosion like that would turn them to mush.

[@danstrayer111]

individual cells, actually.

[@peterblair6489]

@@danstrayer111 I've spent a few minutes thinking about it. Cells would be crushed. I'm thinking a lot of molecular structure might survive though. Although survive might not be the best word. Lol

[@danstrayer111]

@@peterblair6489 I thought also maybe right down to molecules. The cells would crush I think. yeah..survival is relative!

[@peterblair6489]

@@danstrayer111 I'm pretty sure molecules would survive. They're not reliant on pressure. Cells can survive at that pressure. Just not ours. They didn't evolve there.

[@danstrayer111]

@@peterblair6489 You are most likely right, but the factor I was considering was the momentary rise in temperature to 10,000 f, which could alter molecules easily.

[@keneaton2855]

At over 5000 P.S.I. the bodies would have been crushed flat. That and the fact that they are now floating food eliminates any recovery

[@bigoldgrizzly]

given the currents, any remains are likely to already be many miles from the original accident site

[@timcollins3794]

Chum.

[@RatusMax]

It won't float at first. Those pressures....nahh its down there in pieces with the wreckage.

[@jimbo43ohara51]

May their souls rest in peace.

[@stevenaustin8274]

I’m sure the bereaved families with take some comfort in your kind words

[@keithrosenberg5486]

"Unrecognizable"? I suspect the bodies no longer exist.

[@abrahamdozer6273]

There are no bodies. There is jam. the pressure at that depth is 5850 pounds per square inch. Your body straight on is about 1500 square inches. Imagine having a weight weighing 5850x 1500 = 8,775,000 drop on you? Now imagine that happening from all directions? Teeth MIGHT survive but I'm not sure of that. They will likely get DnA from the Carbon Fibre

[@am4793]

Jello for the fishes.

[@gyver8448]

The 'bodies' are a red smear on the ocean floor. Unfortunately there will be no recovery.

[@steelbltz]

@@abrahamdozer6273sheesh

[@Totalinternalreflection]

​@lunarstars4202 there are fishes, they don't have gas pockets in their bodies so they don't get crushed

[@ladymuck2151]

This was the most informative and grounded interview I’ve seen/heard in this subject.

[@edra2005]

What kind of father would allow their son on board something dangerous like this He isnt old enough to drink but somehow they were okay with him getting on a sub

[@ThePsiclone]

IDK, the kind that treats his son like a man after he comes of age and allows him to make his own choices instead of trying to meddle in his affairs forever like some nanny? (also, being from Pakistan (a Muslim country) nobody is old enough to drink, since its against their religion and thus illegal)

[@bodrulm1]

6 years old that aren't old enough to stay up after 8pm are allowed to change their sex in 'modern' countries like UK/USA

[@kondjanegongo796]

Yup he is, we can drink at 18 here... We have real freedom..

[@lindenbutters9396]

Whatever disrespect is shown and I, for one believe we should not speak ill of the dead, these people are gone where one day we all must follow.

[@heidiachauer9562]

The son was guilted into coming because it was Father’s Day. I blame the father.

[@sueamos3860]

Condolences to the families. Just so heartbreaking

[@user-ih9dg3uz5y]

[@edwartcanvas2756]

Absolutely, I'm still confused to the reporter still asking about body recovery

[@pattigreen9448]

LITERALLY the most informative discussion I have seen about this. Thank you

[@danoconnor3720]

They don't bring the dead down from Everest either.

[@Totalinternalreflection]

They recently bought down quite a few

[@licentiaplaythrough7663]

people dont realise this for some reason.. when the hull implodes your body is crushed and cut up in to pieces.... your talking about looking for parts of the main hull and bits of bodies on the ocean bed in the pitch black!!!!!!!!!! there may be no bodies to find.... the parts would of floated about and spread out over a wide area

[@samyoung3592]

And those pieces would be readily eaten by sea life in no time

[@docholliday6285]

Puree

[@gowsk1838]

Teeth and bones is all that will remain 🦴 😔

[@timonsolus]

@@gowsk1838 : Teeth and small bone fragments, not intact bones.

[@mus139]

Fish Food.

[@David-fj5lz]

The sea is a greater risk than anyone thinks

[@TKDBoy1889]

We know very little about the deepest parts of the sea, precisely because of how difficult and dangerous it is to even get anything down that far, let only study and analyze the surrounding directly.

[@adamhodgson4185]

Imagine having 2 miles of water on top of you haha christ

[@jordansinger8543]

No - we all know the risk of the sea by now - this is the 21st century!

[@smlorrin]

@@jordansinger8543 Of course, the scientific community knows. Most regular people don't.

[@jordansinger8543]

@@smlorrin - I am not part of the scientific community and I know the danger of water, rip tides, ocean pressure, scuba diving protocol, swimming guidlines, overhydration (water toxicity), even dehydration (not getting enough water). I learned all this starting at the age of 4 years old and throughout my teens!!!

[@TheJoseXperience]

why is this story so important that its all over my feed its amazing the news coverage these guys are getting

[@patgreco2098]

I believe it's because people have a morbid curiosity about the mechanics of an implosion and what would happen to a body that was violently condensed into a space smaller than the tip of a needle by an enormous hydraulic press.

[@kleetus88]

spent a number of years as a US Navy submarine sailor, I can attest to the concerns and information of this gentleman.

[@danielbritton8588]

Same here, USS Tautog out of Pearl. Their talking 2 miles down. Yikes.

[@407donkridnfoodcritic5]

I can’t imagine being in a submarine that’s awesome accomplishment gentleman

[@crayzmarc]

Thank you for your service.

[@transmaster]

When I was in the US Navy I remember a chief master diver told his rescue divers off the USS Midway to remember they were never more the 7 mile from land, it wasn't his fault it was straight down.

[@EazyDuz18]

same here, captain of the USS DiveQueen 1998-2004, Good times

[@blockmasterscott]

That submersible was the equivalent of building a car in a garage with cheap brakes, thin metal, no seatbelts, and a faulty GPS.

[@JJones-oi3jc]

It wasn't that bad. It's been used before. My guess is that they had a stress fracture on some part of the hull that happened on a previous trip

[@codymoe4986]

Sounds like a great track car...

[@GampyBamblor]

Its viewing glass was literally only certified for 1500m yet he thought it a good idea to go 4000m with it. The titanium hatch and carbon fibre were joined together with glue..... Being a billionaire going in that youd think one of them would have a team of experts look at it first or at least do some research...not to mention they had 3 of these the other 2 were unmanned one and both imploded too. Pointless and avoidable deaths

[@oldbloke135]

@@mrbassman2400 Space is a lot easier. The difference between space and ground level is only 15 psi. The pressure at Titanic depth is 6000 psi. Vacuum doesn't get any worse after 100km altitude.

[@bobbrown-so2gt]

​@@GampyBamblorhow U know about the viewing glass

[@Robotron5000Deluxe]

It wasn't a catastrophic loss of pressure, if anything it was a catastrophic gain in pressure.

[@_R-R]

Catastrophic loss of structural integrity.

[@what163]

Due to the shape of this submersible it collapsed due to integral structure fault. The consistent shape for these deep diving vessels is round, not oval oblong or conical. A sphere compresses the entire craft equally and can manage deeper dives without collapse due to the nature of the structure

[@shelbydriscoll9219]

I thought the same thing the shape seemed strange considering the pressure like the skinny end of it seems like it would be susceptible to more pressure than the rest and then cause a chain reaction am I right ?

[@what163]

@@shelbydriscoll9219 there is also the integrity of the hardware, the purity and clarity of and abrasions, fractures of all connections and yes the irregular shape is a very inconsistent of all deep diving vessels. The notion was to expand the occupancy in order to commercialize the ventures. These crafts are usually one person because of the spherical shape. Very sad ending for the people who risked all for a view.

[@treyyg-rt5kz]

It was made with carbon fibre not metal that’s why it cracked easily

[@peopleschamp43]

James Cameron used what looked like a rectangular shaped type vessel to go 10,000 + feet ....

[@ElonHusky]

​@@peopleschamp43Its made by titanium and steel not by carbon fibre

[@irrationalgeographic9953]

Unfortunately for the families there will be very little left of the crew after a implosion even if it happened at where communication was lost it would have been catastrophic and instantaneous, the dynamic forces involved in 100ths of a second enormous. If a human hand made out of solid Polystyrene was in the sub at the time it would of shrink to the size of a small garden pea in less than half a second. Thankfully the crew would have had no idea or felt a thing.

[@Surestick88]

The lungs would collapse, the rest of the body is basically liquid and would survive. Of course the hull of the pressure vessel collapsing could cause physical damage to the remains.

[@1stfloorguy59]

​@@Surestick88no.

[@David-fj5lz]

So now there is nothing,

[@David-fj5lz]

The polystyrene can compress but the human body implodes to nothing but dust

[@David-fj5lz]

Imagine if they had tried to find them and lost many more in the process

[@karolinejohnson6218]

I just hope it was quick , how absolutely devestating for the families and that young lad out with his dad, its just unfathomable. 😢

[@brentschmogbert]

I wonder..the journlists who asked at the coast guard press conference if the bodies will be recovered…did they not get a single lesson in physics?

[@mvubu6823]

They're asking for an audience who almost certainly have done no physics

[@d0wnboy]

@@Mercurystars4202 I'm no physicist, but I'm fairly certain immense heat was generated during the implosion and incinerated any bio-material in there, quickly.

[@lauvasquez8030]

@@Mercurystars4202 There isn't anything left. No bodies or body pieces to recover, sadly. The pressure at that depth is insane.

[@JohnFrumFromAmerica]

​@@d0wnboythat wouldn't happen as the hull does not collapse uniformly to compress the gas. Water intrudes into the fractured hull and the air pocket is cooled by the water.

[@TheWilferch]

@@Mercurystars4202 .... ...think this through......a postage stamp is roughly 1 square inch. Think of how many of "these" square-inch postage stamps define the entirety of your body surface. NOW..... apply 6000 lbs of force to EACH of these 1-inch squares, from "the-outside-in". Body pieces?.....get real...... an implosion of this type would flatten the sub like a sheet of paper. Look here on a purposefully-done implosion of a rail car tanker....by creating a vacuum on the inside so that the inside had "0" psi pressure....and the outside had 14.7 psi of normal atmospheric pressure......, a difference of roughly 15 psi and NOT the 6000 psi difference at the Titanic depth----> kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKucZpKMq7mrkK8

[@RonD108]

I'd like to see the interviewer pay attention to the answer.

[@manunited1132]

I just hope this happened quickly and that they didn't suffer its just so sad that father and son was together the father obviously told his son that everything was going to be fine but deep down he knew there fate RIP and god bless your families 🌹😢

[@semperfidelification]

less then a second likely....they had no clue.

[@barriewright2857]

My condolences go out to the family's and friends for their lost one's 🙏🏿.

[@allo-other]

Sad :( At 3,800 meters depth, the pressure per square inch is 5,532.42 lbs or 2.76621 tons or 1 smallish elephant moving rapidly (excuse the mixed measurement systems). No suffering. No "recoverables".

[@Snaproll47518]

A far better death than suffocation. May the crew Rest in Peace.

[@derf9465]

Not suffocation, its hypoxia

[@drewpknutz1410]

@@derf9465 Hypoxia is just low levels of oxygen in the blood which can be caused by many different conditions, like poor lung function or cardio-pulmonary problems. Suffocation can cause hypoxia, but suffocation (Asphyxiation) seems like a clearer descriptor of the events.

[@michaelrosa2015]

The focus the past several days had been on the amount of oxygen the occupants had left and whether rescuers could get to the likely site of the submersible in time. It turns out that authorities had heard something consistent with an implosion around the time the vessel lost communications. So for three days, intended or not, the media had concocted a scenario in which rescuers were racing against time and long odds to rescue what was suggested to be an intact vessel. in the end, that could not have been much further from the truth.

[@theTruthSeekerishere]

Exactly,

[@embeth446]

I saw an interview that it is rumored they were planning to abort mission just before communication was lost. I’ll be interested to hear what comes out when this is all said and done. They didn’t tell us about the implosion noise. Perhaps there was also some final communications they didn’t tell us about either.

[@cryptoguruguy8965]

For clicks and like humans love it that why they did it

[@a.disaster2324]

Totally intended! Milked a good story for several days. Media always knows whats up very early on but doesn't let folks know.

[@racegrubb2152]

Are you surprised? Lol no, me either. They wanted them ratings

[@cathydunham7124]

So sad, it really hurt to hear this, GOD be with these five families, such a tragedy❤

[@Encourageable]

Pretty cool that certain fish and other sea creatures can live that far down.

[@dracerakabane5632]

yes but they will die when they try to come here in surface,,they will not survive on less pressure their blood will not act normally so they will die slowly

[@thedroplett214]

Mariana Trench has fishes at more than 10km deep.

[@KidarWolf]

@@thedroplett214 How amazing our ocean's depths are, huh? We've barely scratched the ocean floor, goodness knows what other amazing new animals will be discovered by legitimate research submersibles in the centuries to come!

[@Jeminocity]

An Implosion happens so fast, I'm sure they didn't feel a thing.

[@Occident.]

Its called the "Cruel Sea" by old Seafarers for a reason.

[@sporkstar1911]

Apparently the Viewport was only rated at 1300m depth and this fact was covered up and the engineer was fired to keep him quiet about it. Why the Owner would go down with the ship makes no sense...

[@terripebsworth9623]

The CEO drank his own koolaid. Diversity management is based on emotion, not logic. When engineering and physics based on logic are critical, basing important decisions on emotions can be catastrophic. At least he put his money where his mouth was. Pity that even the one experienced scientist on board didn't do his due dilligence. That must have been some powerful koolaid. Clearly, money doesn't buy common sense. They knew the risks, but signed up anyway. At least, it was a quick death. Not a bad way to go out. The majority suffer a protracted and often painful death when they exit this world.

[@MC-yz3js]

That's correct PH Nargiolet himself was concerned in 2020 about the large size of the view port and the pressure it would endure..yet he went anyway...

[@johngruber7822]

Perhaps he knew it would be better to go down with his ship than live in the aftermath of his catastrophe

[@MC-yz3js]

@@johngruber7822 That's a good point.

[@danielmunguia8341]

Crazy how much rich millionaires and billionaires get coverage over poor people when they die🤦‍♂️

[@philipbrackpool-bk1bm]

The Chilean miners got worldwide coverage.

[@danielmunguia8341]

@@philipbrackpool-bk1bm sure how about the 500 Greek migrants drowning

[@Admiral_Jezza]

It's not because they're rich it's because they're in a submarine, same for the Kursk and San Juan.

[@danielmunguia8341]

@@Admiral_Jezza no dude rich people are literally not supposed to die in this society😂. People cry and give money in order for famous rich people stay alive. Yet not the same coverage for 500 lives that might have died.

[@heidiachauer9562]

Being rich doesn’t buy common sense…something no one but the 19 year old had since he was guilted into this Bs by his dad

[@1allan2]

The creatures would be consuming the remains from when it occurred. As time goes by it will be just personal items recovered.........

[@bajamike9276]

They were barefoot in the Titan so as not to get the shoes of these 5 mixed up with the shoes of the Titanic.

[@3316xtendedmedia]

A very good explanation from the expert...

[@sadaquatmalik7207]

Great effort 👏

[@matthewneale6537]

It's not exactly the same, but will give you an idea of what happened look up one of the videos that show a tank imploding when a vacuum is created inside. There are several on KZbin. The effect is instantaneous.

[@AaaaNinja]

Catastrophic loss of pressure... don't you mean catastrophic increase of pressure?

[@brianwillson9567]

Presenter’s understanding, or not, of physics.

[@JTG313]

Hes talking about the pressure that was in the sub to combat the exterior pressure

[@ohsweetmystery]

@@JTG313Thank you. Amazing how few people understand this.

[@mikewillett5076]

@@JTG313 . Actually the interior pressure does not combat the exterior pressure. 14.7 psi is nothing against 6000. It's the material of the hull itself that holds up against the pressure in these cases. And when the water rushes in, the air inside is compressed a lot in a tiny fraction of a second before the water destroys everything beyond recognition.

[@mjremy2605]

The pressure outside the sub caused it to implode, thereby creating a loss of pressure INSIDE the sub. Correct.

[@marv5078]

Everything about this expedition screamed "don't do it!"

[@rrussell8403]

Prayers for the Family's 🙏😞🙏

[@brentabel5094]

I agree with this guy we probably should not risk more lives for a delicate operation. I am a believer in every man coming home but this could potentially end up with another disaster for rescuers sadly.

[@mus139]

Another 5 Victims added to the Cursed Titanic.

[@oldbloke135]

There should be no "rescue" or recovery operation. It's the same as people who try to climb Everest. If they die, they are left there. There is no point risking lives to recover the dead.

[@chrismc410]

@@oldbloke135 nothing to recover

[@davidsummer8631]

I watched Jim Cameron's interview about this and the craft which he designed is a stealth bomber compared to the Titan which you could describe as a paper plane

[@Eurowefilms421]

As an x navy diver, applying a crude calculation, the extreme pressure at the depth of the Titanic would be in the order of 360 + tonnes per sq cm, pressure excerpted on the human average body of some 18,000 sq cm would be about 6,000,000 tonnes any human body would be squeezed out of recognition.

[@sdrc92126]

Bodies are liquid. Would be cut up by imploding hull though

[@Vinni-K]

Watched a few videos this evening, got to say this guy is an expert.

[@sahhull]

This incident needs to be remembered when Elon Musk is selling tickets to Mars on his flying/exploding grain silo (sharship)

[@willowsmom5757]

I’m pretty sure Elon is a little more intelligent than this woke CEO was.

[@sahhull]

@@willowsmom5757 Judging by the build quality of Tesla and the lies.. They are both the same

[@bigding4507]

@@willowsmom5757good way to rid the world of rich people

[@virtualtekkies]

Sad....but they should've known better. Being in a Bluetooth Propelled ROV with two small propellers in the open ocean is insanity. Taking passengers to cover expenses at that. So he was trying to cover his costs......

[@saraswatkin9226]

Apparently some people in USA already have court action him for Fraud from previous booking.

[@Iazzaboyce]

The obvious safety concern with the tube part, is it is laminated and repeated extreme changes in external pressure could cause delamination and gradually weaken the structure. I wonder if any internal diameter measurements were taken during dives to see if the tube was flexing? Some simple internal (+) reinforcement might have prevented movement.

[@q.e.d.9112]

I think they were probably aware of what had almost certainly happened from the time they lost contact. They probably heard the implosion but, couldn’t be certain that it was an implosion at the time. As has been pointed out, the implosion would have had a similar effect to dropping an anvil on a hen’s egg. I suspect it was as instantaneous as death could be.

[@philosopher2king]

This is a tragedy, especially for their families. It is also pretty messed up about our world that five millionaires get 24/7 coverage but the boat that capsized near Greece killing 500 poor people received coverage for less than a day.

[@jordansinger8543]

GOOGLE TRAGEDY - THIS WAS NO TRAGEDY - THIS WAS PREVENTABLE - IT WAS NEGLIGENCE!

[@smlorrin]

Well, most of the coverage has been much of the internet dancing on these 5 people's potential graves this whole time, so there's that.

[@jordansinger8543]

@@smlorrin as we should - they were rich and reckless and ignored all safety protocol and proper certification - they were sealed in their tomb from the start - all for profit - the CEO is a murderer - as simple as that - I will not sugar coat this for anyone - this company was negligent plain and simple!

[@TriStarIII]

What are you talking about I‘ve been bombarded with news about illegal migrants capsizing for 10 years now, 100% preventable

[@michaelwallbrown3726]

it's wag the dog scenario taking any headlines away from the Bidens

[@IDontTalkToCops]

If they were not going to be found alive, sadly this is probably the best outcome.

[@marcse7en]

Strange definition of "best outcome?" ... Exploring Titanic's wreck was "expensive" in more ways than one! ... R.I.P!

[@newvillagefilms]

When OceanGate said they offer the full Titanic experience, they really weren't kidding.

[@michaelnight9162]

So it seems that there were two possible scenarios for the fate of the crew. One being an instantaneous event that they wouldn’t even had time to realize something happened, and the other, a slow and painful build up in pressure eventually leading to the implosion. The description of the slow one sounds so scary, I hope that’s not what happened

[@cryptoguruguy8965]

Carbon fiber cracks before shattering they knew

[@ariochiv]

It's been four days. What fragmentary human remains (if any) there may have been from such a catastrophic implosion are as we speak being rapidly being consumed by the community of scavenging organisms on the sea floor. There's not a lot to eat down there, so this is not something that is going to lie around for any length of time.

[@michaelburbank2276]

yes things went molecular down there for sure

[@crystalmckinney3151]

Yes, human fragments, sadly, would have been a ravishing buffet. And why in the world would they bring bits and pieces back to shore? That seems grotesque and cruel to the mourning. They would then have to bring the mourning in to properly identify the bodies. It would be ultimately horrific.

[@ariochiv]

​@@crystalmckinney3151 In terms of energy, an implosion at that depth would be the equivalent of 20 or 30 pounds of TNT being exploded in a volume of just a few cubic meters. There would have been nothing left that was identifiable.

[@Nonyabiz370]

Giving a “like” because the interviewee is clearly a highly Intelligent man, and the information he’s sharing is very informative. Frustrating how the interviewer is looking down the entire time, at times taking notes. Perhaps she has to concentrate extra hard to process what he’s saying. I would think an interviewer would look into the camera, at least for the majority of the interview.

[@prateekshanaik4297]

I mean, thats good, right!?

[@KidarWolf]

I would rather the interviewer actually process the information being given to them by the interviewee, than charge in like a bull in a china shop as many interviewers do.

[@Griffo5446]

Very knowledgeable.

[@suhailshafi]

This submarine developer sounds like a real professional who really really knows what he is talking about. My condolences and prayers to the victims of this horrible tragedy.

[@CrazyPetez]

The loss of life from military submarines is entirely different than the loss of these 5 joyriders. They had a ticket to ride, a damned expensive one. Military personnel are in to defend their country.

[@adoculos4521]

Your coment is inappropriate, tone deaf and grossly immature in its prematurity.

[@huemann7637]

I can’t figure out why someone would want to pay a quarter million dollars to see the titanic out of a tiny little hole in a dark cramped pos submarine. I can see pictures of it from my couch for free.

[@Craig-wp3pz]

Hydraulic Disassembly,,,,, 😮 😱 what a way to go..... 🪦🪦🪦🪦🪦🚢 👀 🙏

[@sanjay59741]

Military subs descend to 200-300m, not 3km. Military subs also are trialed extensively before commissioning and come off proven technology.

[@adoculos4521]

@@huemann7637 You have no idea what you are talking about.

[@tommynikon2283]

Nothing to see here folks; this movie ended Sunday night.....at approx. 10,000ft. depth. (1.45hr. elapsed dive time) It was merciful and FAST; the force of the implosion literally blew the legs, rear fairing, and front portal off the sub. The hull damage will be far worse. As for the crew members.....there's nothing to recover; all contents within the craft suffered an "EXPLOSION".

[@codymoe4986]

How does something explode during an implosion?

[@timonsolus]

The hull would have literally shattered into a million pieces. That's what happens to carbon fibre when it's overstressed.

[@ma_nu]

@@codymoe4986 If you decompress gases (for example in a spray can) the temperature of the gas and the can decreases. I'm sure you've experienced this before, as you can feel that it is getting cold and icy. On the other hand, If you increase the pressure of air, like the air in the hull due to the implosion, the temperature of the air rises. If it happens really slowly, energy is flowing from the compressed air to the surroundings and the temperature will only be a little bit higher. But in an implosion it happens extremely fast, so this is close to a adiabatic change of state, which means there is no time for energy/heat to be transfered from the air to the water. If you calculate a adiabatic change from 1bar air pressure to 380bar at the depth of the titanic, the air will heat up from 20°C to over 1300°C (or 2372°F). So there's a chance that explosions happen right after the implosion on board of the sub (batteries, fuel,...) or you have at least insane heat like people imagine only happen during explosions. It's not just crushed by the pressure.

[@BallisticEVA01]

@@codymoe4986 Air ignites when subjected and compressed by sudden brute force pressure. Hence the "explosion" term used. Want an example? On jet engines, the same type of compression (not at the same brutal level as the in the Titan´s hull) occurs through lots of blades before the compressed air ignites mixed with jet fuel. Same goes for internal combustion engines. You could argue that in these examples there is a spark to provoke the explosion - but in case of the Titan´s disaster - no spark is needed - the sheer instant compression is so powerfull that makes a huge amount of energy that ignites the air. There was a deep ocean disaster (dont remember year and platform where it occured) on a deep diving bell that killed all its crew also instantly with sheer brute force in pressure differences because of a mal-functioning valve.

[@jbr8559]

@@BallisticEVA01 Byford Dolphin, 1983

[@lominiski]

Yeah. I was wondering about the pressure chambers as it keeps going lower. Pressure would just keep increasing. And also the gaskets.

[@sandyunderpants4376]

You put more thought into it than the genius at Oceangate

[@csjrogerson2377]

What was the lady from the Times talking about. A catastrophic loss of pressure!! Quite the opposite actually occurred where a vessel at 1bar suddenly became 380bar.

[@bvegas]

'like crushing an egg" does not even come close to describing what happened. At 325 atmospheres the air first heated to about the surface of the sun while compressing with the rest of the pressure chamber. This all happened in 30 milliseconds. The carbon fiber vessel was compressed into a small ball which is why they found the end cone and the landing platform which were not part of the pressure vessel. Once the pressure vessel started shrinking the connections to those pieces blew apart and they floated to the top.

[@arcosiancosine1065]

Carbon fiber doesn't compress. It shatters like glass.

[@sdrc92126]

CF is almost meaningless under compression, not much better than plastic

[@klaxonklaxon]

The wreckage of the Titan submersible will likely become a tourist attraction in it's own right in years to come.

[@TomUK7]

I hope this will be the end of an era. Rather like the poor lad in the US who died after getting stuck caving. They closed off the caves forever.

[@NeonGhostin]

I hope the opposite happens, that we realize it is a cemetery for 1,517 people, plus 5 now, and leave it alone.

[@greghight954]

Seeing that while in a similar vehicle would be disconcerting.

[@ThePsiclone]

oh what irony haha

[@adoculos4521]

Are you really that thick?

[@merledoughty5787]

I always recall that scene in Titanic when Bill Paxton says we have 5 inches of glass if that goes its goodbye ( sininora) in 2.5 nano seconds

[@chuckhelson3744]

The pressure at that depth is approx 6000 pounds per square inch. At that pressure.. the bodies would disintegrate.

[@michaelburbank2276]

human body is 1500 sq inches !!!! OUCH

[@coweatsman]

I expected this. A catastrophic loss 1 3/4 after sub launch seemed most likely scenario. Those noises were apparently something else. A better way to go than a slow death in the worst claustrophobic nightmare imaginable.

[@philliesblunt247]

I wonder if the tapping was debris on debris. Or debris on titanic with current. However I would prefer a slow death. As co2 levels rise in the body one hallucinates before death. And the cold temp would have slowed o2 consumption. But as co2 is peaking you just go unconscious. If it hadn't imploded then cold Temps could have kept o2 in your body's cells for longer. And you have a chance to be rescued.

[@1xoACEox1]

While instant (and it is instant we're talking milliseconds) explosive decompression and implosion is not a "clean" way to go. There wont be bodies to recover sadly.

[@RobertSeviour1]

There will have been no decompression; inside the sub the air would have been at sea level pressure or close to it. But with the surrounding water, at depth being at high pressure, instead there would have been rapid influx of water or perhaps implosion of the entire hull.

[@bajamike9276]

@@user-fk1ck5gi1w When fish eat them, they will stick to the roof of the fishes mouth.

[@RobertSeviour1]

@@user-fk1ck5gi1w As it happens, I was recently working with putty to fix some windows. I kneaded the putty for 10 minutes or so to condition it for the job. This included much squeezing of the material. Putty and peanut butter are very similar, both being a mix of fine solids with oil. From my recent experience, where I noticed no tendency for the putty to respond to pressure other than change shape - but not volume, I conclude that my original thinking that human/animal/fish bodies subjected to great pressures do not compress other than in those areas containing gas at lower than surrounding pressures. But I'm open to correction if you have differing evidence.

[@ma_nu]

@@RobertSeviour1 of course, fluids and solids are very, very little compressible. so there is nearly no change of volume even with the extreme pressures involved. But the shape changing part is a serious problem for the human body.

[@RobertSeviour1]

@@ma_nu Yes, the human shape -a relatively long tube, containing air bladder within it - is susceptible to being squeezed like a tube of toothpaste. Even so, if you don't take the cap off the toothpaste tube, what results is deformation, not destruction.

[@jz5005]

Human bodies don’t exist under that level of pressure.

[@CrawldaBeast]

The word implosion should be an indicator of what happened. Like an explosion moving inward. The left side caves inward and passes the right side in the center and then outward. This would shred them to bits. It is better to let them rest where they are.

[@catsaretheshit7234]

I feel sorry for these people, although I'm glad they died instantly instead of running out of oxygen. My only point is that if the mainstream media is focusing on this then it's possible something important is happening they're trying to distract us from

[@faithnaidoo7647]

They literally climbed into their death chamber on Sunday morning.!!!!.What a way for your life to end.😢😢😢

[@deanb4799]

The kid is the only one I have even an OUNCE of sympathy for.

[@yoboi267]

let this be a lesson, if anything. This is what happens when you scoff at experts.

[@ashm4938]

at the pressure they were experiencing at the time would cause an implosion to move at around 2000 feet per second, and that there is pressurised oxygen in the environment, the air would have auto ignited, pretty much turning their body into instant mulch, not a fragment of them will be found with the exception of meat slurry that might be in a pocket of the submersible if they recover it.

[@moebutt9095]

Considering how air heats up under high pressure, in that "microsecond" of implosion under that much PSI pressure (3000+ PSI) the temperature inside the cabin's air bubble likely hit something equal to the surface of the Sun upon it's collapse, essentially instantly flash-boiling and disintegrating them all into a type of gruesome carbon bio-paste in about “1/100th” of a second...Between that and the actual "physical" crush of the water weight itself there's literally "nothing" left of any of those people to even retrieve😢, they all just instantaneously became “one” with the ocean…RIP. 🌹

[@ichibanxeo6447]

I don't know why all the condolences. They paid 250K each and knew the risks.

[@codymoe4986]

@thzene4967...Something like 100k people die on this planet, every day, for all sorts of reasons... You must be bummed, 24-7, huh? LOL! Save the BS...

[@TheFremenBlue]

The condolences are for their families and loved ones, who didn't buy a ticket and could only wait helplessly while their loved ones died. You know, basic human decency.

[@JoeLewis14]

Why does spending money make your life less valuable?

[@xRavioge]

Because innocent people died . That’s why

[@007feck]

Everyone who takes a chance in life doesn’t deserve to die - we all have different risk thresholds - they trusted the wrong man with their life and paid the ultimate price

[@davidhamilton7780]

If this were a mission in search of a higher goal, I may have some sympathy for those on board. As it was a vanity project, I view it similarly to an unqualified "mountaineer" paying a guide company to help them reach the summit of Everest... unnecessary, and perhaps endangering the lives of others.

[@jonathanpebley149]

Prayers for their families and there friends that God gives them strength and comfort rest in peace

[@jabez5366]

Can't imagine they were crushed like a soda can. Truly catastrophic!😢😔

[@memirandawong]

It's not the quick death that I fear. It's the severe anxiety and fright of being trapped, completely helpless, it this catastrophically small tube, in pitch black, realizing that this is it and that I could drown slowly or just run out of air staring toward the others who may already have died. It is truly the mother of all nightmares for me. An implosion would be a godsend.

[@HD46409]

With a catastrophic carbon fiber failure, the bodies are probably no where near intact. The only reason to continue any recovery operations is to get data on the failure. Having said that, I doubt that anyone is going to be using CF for a sub hull anytime soon.

[@Totalinternalreflection]

The Hull was an alloy of titanium

[@HD46409]

@@Totalinternalreflection I don't think so. It was reported to be wound carbon fiber.

[@alexanderahman4884]

​@@TotalinternalreflectionTo my understanding only the front part (with the window) and aft part, was titanium, the rest was made of carbon fibre.

[@Totalinternalreflection]

@@HD46409 well it was reported wrong

[@bajamike9276]

@@Totalinternalreflection Why did he even think that his CF sub was any better than proven Alvin vehicle??