Subterror Explained in 31 Minutes [Yu-Gi-Oh! Archetype Analysis]

[@snowboundwhale6860]

The Subterror Nemeses being at odds with Subterror Behemoths in lore but playing together in practise reminds me of how the Ice Barrier tribe actually want to keep the dragons sealed, or how Revengdread Slayer actively fights back against the Vendread. There's a few instances of archetypes where they're comprised of 2 or more "factions" that're at odds with each other.

[@mayayamato7351]

also in the japanese names they dont differentiate the true draco and the true kings by name, who are technically the same archetype but two completely different and opposed factions.

[@yusheitslv100]

@@mayayamato7351 common localization L.

[@yusheitslv100]

True Dragon: Draco vs King. Burning Abyss: Main Deck vs Extra Deck. (Ok, technically not opposing, but given what they are based on, they are 2 separate factions that are thematically opposing.) Ice Barrier: non-Dragons vs Dragons. World Legacy: if you know the lore, you know.

[@rickycatta5152]

In the evil eye archetype the two main monsters (serziel and medusa) fight eachother for the power of the evil eye, using each a familiar (basilius and catoblepas) and transform in the extra deck monsters when they achieve the power (zerzziel and gorgon), and the cards narrate that story

[@akiradkcn]

@@yusheitslv100 and lets not talk about the forced puns either

[@oussamalasfer4860]

subterror behemoth artwork so good!! im happy they been used in duel links and given some love unlike main card game where they only use geru control lol

[@xCorvus7x]

The effect of Subterror Nemesis Defender is a lore-driven mechanic expressing the opposition of the Nemeses to the Behemoths: in the presence of the face-down Flip monsters, i. e. while you are in the terrain of the Subterror Behemoths, he is the reliable shield of his allies. God, this archetype looks awsome.

[@omi2886]

The subterror alongside ghostricks are and still my main decks for years, i simply love the flip gimmicks and i know they arent meta giants or fully competitive either, but i do get a lot of fun playing with the effects and defensive shenanigans against meta giants just to torture them and flippin them down with control its just... *Chefs kiss*.

[@flackenstien]

Ghostrick and Subterror are 2 of my top 3. The other being Abyss Actor (hyped for the new support). If you like Ghostrick and Subterror, I recommend Tindangle. If you learn how they are really meant to be used, they can do silly stuff. They can make a 4K+ triple attacker that cannot be targeted or destroyed and does double damage once per turn. The way they mix Flip with combo and Tribute Summoning is so unique.. and as a fan of the Cthulhu mythos.. they're just cool cards.

[@julienkupet1989]

I feel u, if u like flip archetype i highly recommend prediction princess with the New support in DABL U can udolize pretty much every flip monster u want, like really old flip monster like weasel to don t lose to mystic mine, or pot of forbideen for hand rip

[@flackenstien]

@@julienkupet1989 Princess are like the Impcantation of Flip. Personally I'm not into their visual style, but the idea is cool.

[@julienkupet1989]

@@flackenstien oh i can def understand

[@gravekeepersven82]

@@julienkupet1989 Well Konami is gonna ban mine anyway Dec 2022

[@yofyo]

seeing a final battle guru shrug off a field full of juicy thunder dragons really activated my almonds. this strategy and these mechanics really come together to make yugioh feel different and unique. the resources are endless but only if you can keep the pieces together

[@anthonythomas305]

Man, Subterror is a terrifying archetype and an archetype you don't want to mess with

[@codycombs8590]

Especially in duel links with mind scan

[@Moro-Goro-300]

Its crazy how much better subterror would be if the field spell just had subterror in its name

[@flackenstien]

When Terraforming was at 3, the pure build was vomitously consistent.

[@Ramsey276one]

The Hidden City - Sheltered from the Subterror

[@xCorvus7x]

@@Ramsey276one Except it seems pretty susceptible to Subterrorism.

[@BBQuavo]

@@xCorvus7x subterrorism 😭😭😭

[@_-_-_L_-_-_]

Yeah crazy how they won't do that but they'll make decks that are meta out of the box and win by literally just spamming every available effect

[@TheMidnight971]

Hi Nova, thanks for the "explained" series. Those are a pretty deep analysis of the archétypes I just regret that the lore aspect is not covered. I admit it's thanks to your lore videos , i discovered your channel It would be awesome if you add a chapter with the lore or maybe you keep all this content for another series. Either way keep it up

[@OnyxRanger09]

appreciate the Monster Hunter reference you snuck in there Nova. i named my Subterror deck Monster Hunter since its also mixed with Kaijus

[@Frankonator21]

Great video! I topped a locals once with this deck way back in 2017 before guru ever came out and it reminds me of the much different gameplay the deck used to have when you actually played the behemoths and nemesis together. Thanks for the awesome video

[@flackenstien]

Thanks for being a good rep for Speleogeist. People sleep on him for some bizarre reason. He's the closest thing to a monster equivalent of Hidden City and Final Battle. Fiendess isn't the younger form of Behemoth Fiendess, it's more like Attack on Titan where she shapeshifts. On that note, Guru gave his cloak to Warrior on Succession, because he knew he was becoming Speleogeist againt his will and needed a successor to defeat him. Archer is super good. You might have other removal for Set cards, but Archer can shuffle away nasty cards like floaters, Absolute Zero, and Mirrorjade. Her own float effect is paramount, due to needing to see Guru as soon as dragonly possible. Defender.. is just sad. He is somehow worse than even Dragossuary. Atleast that thing is a Zombie, so it can synergize with said support if you are based enough. Cave Clash doesn't see a lot of play? It clashes? Bruh moment. That thing is a game winner. It's a name for Guru, the ATK boost is very noticable, especially with Speogeist who can poke for 6K+++. It's a soft once per turn even.. you can trigger multiple copies per turn and their boost stacks.

[@Ramsey276one]

Guru BECOMES Speleogeist?!?!? Q_q

[@flackenstien]

@@Ramsey276one Yes, just like how Fiendess has a Behemoth form. Note how neither are Suberror Nemesis. Theory is all Behemoth were not always monsters.. but Fiendess seems to be the only one in control of her transformation.

[@gravekeepersven82]

Cave Clash is very excellent with guru on book of moon shenanigans with summon limit, boosts for every def monster on board yours and opponents and creates resource loops and gains upon battle damage. Archer is a team player with closing the gap with beating down your opponents resources and Urmastryx is banish cannon on legs.

[@xCorvus7x]

Where have you learned this lore? Is it part of the Duel Terminal? Subterror Nemesis Warrior looks like one of those who are eventually recruited by Zefra.

[@flackenstien]

@@xCorvus7x Subterror is not connected to any other lore, so far anyways. The card art shows you their lore. I'm hoping Subterror gets some cards soon, both to support the deck and to clear up some of the many mysteries of the lore.

[@deshtom]

A few things as an avid Subterror player. Everyone talks about Dragoon Guru, but there are actually many other competitive versions of the deck I’d argue are as good if not better than Dragoon most of the time. Krawler Soma let’s you get out F0 and search Ghostrick Scare for more Flip shenanigans. Branded Fusion and Fusion Destiny are other really good fusion cards to get out big bosses, but I’d argue Dinomorphia is actually the best because it doesn’t conflict with Duality, the fusion materials aren’t bricks as they act as starters as well, and Rextrum is a house. Dogmatika is also a really good engine since you don’t care about the Extra Deck. It even has synergy with aforementioned Branded Fusion. Also, one little known fact about Subterror, we have an easy Accesscode line! If you start your turn with Hidden City face-up and Guru on the field either face-down or able to be flipped face-down, that’s Accesscode with at least 3 pops. You just need a Fiendess in deck and Selene, a Charmer, and Striker Dragon in the Extra. I’ll leave the rest for y’all to figure out.

[@rimz32]

Stygokraken is the sole reason I run Burrowing and Artifacts in my deck, also can't wait for the new card coming out that supports flips

[@sirnightw]

These archetype explained and your lore videos are awesome! Appreciate your work on these!

[@ecos889]

As a Guru conrol player myself I agree, my turns tend to be quick even when I combine it with the Eldlich engine to have more removal on board and extra negates.

[@raven_knight_076]

Fun fact: subterror succession can search maxx c by sending any of your flip subterror monsters, which is amazing to turn any in hand behemoths into free draws from your opponent special summoning

[@SheruMuko]

Well then I am about to blow your mind with this tech I use in Phantom Knights. Sangan

[@SheruMuko]

Tour Guide to Sangan and link them into Churibini Ebon Angel of the Burning Abyss. Use Sangan to Search out any hand trap with less than 1500 attack including Ash Blossom, Ghost Ogre, Ghost Belle, Maxx C, Effect Veiler, etc. Use Churibini to send Graff to the graveyard. Graff then special summons Scarm or Cir depending on what you need. Use Churibini and that special summoned monster to link into Rusty Bardiche. Activate the graveyard ability of the summoned monster. Scarm gets you a Tour Guide for your next turn. Cir revives Churibini from your graveyard. Use Rusty’s ability to send Ancient Cloak to your graveyard to set a Fog Blade. Banish Ancient Cloak to add Silent Boots to your hand. Silent Boots will then special summon itself. Free Link 3, Rusty Bardiche, and a Hand Trap of your choice with this line. Free Rusty Bardiche, Hand Trap, and another Tour Guide for your next turn with the other line. This is just off of one card by the way. I am a PK Fire Player. Edit I forgot to mention that you can banish Silent Boots from your graveyard to get another Fog Blade or a copy of Shade Brigadine. Shade Brigadine will let you summon Apollusa. Fog Blade will give you another negate, attack blocker, and a graveyard version of Call of the Haunted.

[@gossiperzoroark9629]

Ah, these guys were fun in Duel Links. Just confuse the AI with Wandering Mummy and watch them run into your 3k defense wall

[@gaminginteriorhd9709]

Fun fact: the behemoths activate to special summon themselves so the thunder one has the condition to summon thunder dragon colossus in OCG (obviously we could if we had colossus here)

[@arxius7114]

My favorite archetype

[@golemqueen1988]

Yep the thunder behemoth saw fringe play for that reason in the tcg as long as it was legal

[@Pikatwig16]

You post this the day that Coder posts a video about learning this archetype. What luck.

[@gorantua2712]

Started playing master duel 3 days ago and subterror is my first deck of choice Seems unique deck

[@randoweirdo3420]

The only flip deck that can beat subterror is definitely farfa and his t-set westlo from master saga

[@heleno6917]

No deck can defeat that

[@TornadoZX825]

Subterrors are my favourite Earth archetype

[@Anthintendo]

I remember awhile back trying to break the trap card Relay Soul, and I ended up just making a Subterror deck.

[@kirika119]

I adore the subterror archetype ^^

[@djangostar3736]

Alright, I might be crazy, but, Calamity upon the hidden city in Ninjas? Like imagine setting a senior silver ninja via art of duplication on the opponents turn, and them trying to swing into it, leading to a 3700 defense ssn, where it then summons a swarm of ninjas face down. And if you have saizo on the field, who can't be targeted for attacks or effects as long as he points to a monster, wouldn't that create a sort of target lock (for effects I mean)? And if it gets blown up, you can get back someone like tobari, who can't be destroyed (if attacked) that turn even without it.

[@SCARECROWGAMER811]

Something i dont think most people know is that cave clashes stack with each other so subterrors can get pretty high

[@flackenstien]

The recur effect stacks too. Card is good.

[@vicce6406]

The best part is it recycles your hand trap Fiendess

[@Ramsey276one]

Subterror Behemoth Nemesis DracoGuru EARTH Dragon LINK-4 (W SW SE E) 2600 ATK 2+ "Subterror" monsters with different names, including at least one "Subterror Nemesis" Monster Gains ATK equal to the combined Levels of "Subterror Behemoth" monsters used as it's Link Materials times 200. Cannot Attack if you control any face-up non-"Subterror" monsters, unless your opponent controls a "Subterror" , "Kaiju" or "Alien" monster. If you have the following monsters in your GY or field: "Subterror Nemesis Defender": this monster cannot be banished or destroyed by battle. "Subterror Nemesis Archer": when this monster attacks a facedown monster, shuffle that monster into the Deck before the Damage Step "Subterror Nemesis Warrior": this monster's attack cannot be negated, also it can Attack all monsters your opponent controls once each. "Subterror Fiendess": this monster cannot be targeted by your Opponent's card effects or switch control. Last Resort of The Hidden City Normal Trap If you control no face-up monsters, and your opponent controls a "Subterror" , "Kaiju" or "Alien" monster, or 3+ Monsters, you can Link Summon a "Subterror Behemoth" from your Extra Deck, by banishing monsters from your GY or using facedown monsters you control as Link Materials, by sending from your Hand or Deck to the GY any of the following monsters to treat as facedown monsters as that sent Monster: "Subterror Nemesis Defender" "Subterror Nemesis Archer" "Subterror Nemesis Warrior" "Subterror Nemesis Fiendess" If any of your facedown monsters is a "Subterror Behemoth" monster, reveal it for this Link Summon.

[@GallantRayRed]

The flashback of guru contol are intense

[@jackferring6790]

You do realize that complaining about an archetype means it's probably going to be picked sooner rather than later.

[@manuelmedina4617]

God this channel is amazing finally someone that explains the effects properly

[@3rdAgeSoap]

Yesss. One of my favorite decks to use

[@CarDaMax1770]

When this archetype first came out, after looking at the half-rock half-organic behemoths and the redheaded anime boy protagonist, my mind was instantly reminded of Shadow of the Colossus. Sadly, the similarities pretty much ended there, because the monsters from the next few waves of support don't have much resemblance to the remaining characters in the game. *shrug*

[@23gameoverlord]

With all of these big high level monsters, the Subterror archetype looks to be another crack in trying to make a Kaiju themed based deck, but with a few squishy 'human' cards added in for flavor.

[@heelalucard2962]

I love this deck with black garden

[@lovingthepastpresentandfuture]

I was scared you’d end that opening with “the terrors Amogus”

[@spade6872]

Quick reminder that Dragoon is still at 3 in TCG and it fits perfectly in this deck.

[@davidsaylors24]

It seems like they were going for a 1 of ever monster type kinda thing. Falling just short so far. Machine. Fish. Dino. Cybers. Insect. Plant. Psychic. Winged beats. All undone so far. So do u think we will get 8 new monsters.?

[@tongatapu7325]

Archer is pretty good, its even played in Guru control. Better than like 90% of Subterror cards. And I think you are the first human being who ever said "Thats savagely strong" after reading the hillariously terrible effect of Speleogheist.

[@flackenstien]

Speleogeist is the best Behemoth and most slept-on Subterror card, hands down. He is the monster equivalent to Hidden City and Final Battle. He makes going second so much better, it's not funny. He's a 3K name for Guru and Fiendess while letting you get 2 flip-ups off Hidden City. Making Guru AND Fiendess live instantly without having to burn Final Battle is big. Poking for 6K+ damage is just a bonus.

[@tongatapu7325]

@@flackenstien I tried Pure Subterror after Guru came out, Speleogheist was the first one I cutted. Why would I want him over Ultramafus or Stalagmo? Volteluric and Stygokraken are good disruption and Phosphero was good with Snow (now he's pretty bad as well). Umastryx is of course the best one, with Ultramafus a close 2nd. Going second every Behemoth is terrible. How do you play through negations, pops ans banishes? Behemoths miss timing almost every damn time if your opp knows what he's doing as well.

[@flackenstien]

@@tongatapu7325 I gave you the reasons and you ignored them.

[@tongatapu7325]

@@flackenstien I just had totally different experiences with the card. Always bricky, did almost nothing that other cards couldn't do without bricking you. Opponent having tons of disruption (even at casual level).

[@flackenstien]

@@tongatapu7325 The issues you are talking about apply to every card in the game.. Think of Speleo as Subterror's extender. You can flip him up with Hidden City and use his effect to flip up Guru. This means that by those cards on their own, both Guru's disrupt and Fiendess' negate are live without having to burn Final Battle. This lets you use Final Battle to either flip up another Behemoth or lets you save the anti-negate effect if they Called By your Fiendess negate, ect. Obviously going first is best, but Speleo makes going second very doable and adds pressure as a throwaway 3K body. If you don't believe that Speleo is good, then by all means, continue to miss out on the deck's best board maker.

[@harrymcnally4290]

Archer is such a nutty card

[@renaldyhaen]

You can search Maxx "C" or other EARTH Handtraps with Subterror Succession.

[@flackenstien]

TFW we will never get a FIRE Flip monster.

[@DullFiction]

I had a friend run instant fusion + raidjin and pot of the forbidden + tarotrei a little unreliable, but very funny when it worked

[@Crimzonbreaker]

Wow this vid must of been really easy for you to make. Only needing to cover 6 cards Dark Magician, Red Eyes Black Dragon, Red Eyes Fusion, Dragoon, Guru and Fiendess.

[@adamsherwani3971]

Remember when we used to be able to make Colossus in subterrors. The more golden hates on altergeist the more I think he's just bitter

[@noncesto]

Monster hunter based archetype? Let's go

[@MilenAnessar]

I do want to build an actual Subterror Behemoth deck, but no idea how.

[@RandomGuy-bu5pn]

Well you probaly will have to run some dumb card like Des Lacoodo to make sure you can unbrick your hand, but no matter what you do playing Behemoth is just litterly a less cool version of Generaidtor, you both lose if your field spell got sneeze on, and if you dont find the field spell, final battle or fall to protect warrior or you back row then you are going to die

[@drakofox1362]

Man imagine a story of these giant beasts....how exactly would I do it? Also you don't like Altergiest? That's strange I beaten them multiple times

[@digitalduken9973]

Could be coping but TECHNICALLY there is room for in archetype support since out of the 23 monster types in standard ocg/tcg yugioh, 14 have been done. This means they could possibly add 9 more monsters to make up the last types. Will it happen? At some point I wouldn't be surprised. Is it going to be soon? I hope so but if we're being realistic no, but I'll keep waiting.

[@yunonasumi7982]

Ultramafus was REALLY good when this deck first came out because links weren't a thing yet. The opponent would run into a set archer, which would set Ultramafus from the deck, and if they tried to run over it, the Hidden City would flip it face up, negateing the attack and setting all the opponent's monsters, and since most of those monsters were summoned that turn, it shut everything off instantly. Also, Final Battle's last effect to prevent negation actually lets this deck play under Skill Drain. While I don't recommend actually playing Skill Drain (cuz f*** that card), I can't tell you how many times my opponent has flipped SD on me only to see that it doesn't nothing at all.

[@akiradkcn]

So, we are just going to ignore the fact that Fiendess has a womb tattoo?

[@drunkendye4892]

Shush

[@xCorvus7x]

What does the Liam Neeson reference at the end of the section on Stygokraken mean?

[@Vinylmelody1517]

What are odds that nova posts subterror explained the same day far a posts his vod of him rocking subterrors? It's terror time in yugi tube

[@flackenstien]

Coder too.

[@Cwronaga216]

Okay so that new Hidden City effect on that continuous spell actually makes crawlers good too

[@julienkupet1989]

Its actually pretty good for every flip deck, im playing à prediction princess deck and this card is sometimes really good

[@Cwronaga216]

@@julienkupet1989 junk sleep is also good for flip decks

[@aprilm3203]

Ok subterror is my favourite deck that I haven’t gotten to play in a while but I actually played a deck I called shaddoll terror princess and I’m really hyped about all the new support for flips but more importantly. CYBER JAR is UNBANNED! Wtf

[@IcemansWorld337]

That world legacy trap card isn't so bad either for flipping

[@MrBounceoutboi]

Theres two link monsters that allow for facedown monsters as material, ghostrick and some shit no effect link 1, image is of two girls, attack is 0. Its basically there for fan service, clara & rushka, the ventriloduo. It can use 1 normal/set monster, edit, sorry it has an effect, cant be used for link material except main phase 2. Might as well be non effect monster

[@Ramsey276one]

I find myself agreeing XD

[@jackferring6790]

Personally I liked mixing a few Behemoths into Ghostrick in Duel Links

[@bjarnivalur6330]

Isn't _"Parthian Shot"_ also a Subterror card? It doesn't have the name but niter did _"The Hidden City"_ or _"Calamity Upon the Hidden City"_ but they still count.

[@flackenstien]

We don't talk about Parthian Shot. If anything, it's a genuine anti-support as it shuts down MP2, a thing that Subterror actively uses more than almost any other deck.

[@xCorvus7x]

@@flackenstien During your opponent's turn?

[@flackenstien]

@@xCorvus7x During your turn when it is used against you.

[@xCorvus7x]

@@flackenstien Who doesn't appreciate their second Main phase (not least because it allows you to remove problem monsters by battle and combo afterwards uninterrupted)?

[@vicce6406]

Sub-terror cave clash is great at 1X

[@RogueMetaHere]

My brother in law would rather face my Rikka Sunavalon or my Labrynth dexk than mh Subterror Guru Control Deck.

[@Germancrashout]

How do I special summon them

[@dylanfrancis5996]

Like Monster Hunter meets Inhumanoids

[@isidoreaerys8745]

Agreed. Altergeists are an incredibly tedious, toxic deck.

[@SnowyGrass]

calamity best ghostrick support lol

[@youssefya7945]

plz do libromancer

[@moistwindow6094]

... I like altergiest...

[@RandomGuy-bu5pn]

Subterror was never meant to be good, with the effect they were given they it seem like were intentionally made too be bad, like their entire gimmick is summon themself when your filed is all face down monster and they gave them a link monster, the worse part is that it was better of being Shaddoll support! Konami seem to just want to offer a small story line of a heroic warrior an his companion vanquishing evil behemoth monster. Their story line supposed to end with final battle but with Darkwing Blast it seems like we gonna get a continuation of the story line.They would have just been a random forgetable archetype but then they made Guru, and the guy just decide to throw away about 90% of the Subterror away and decide to go control and fosake the entire spirit of the archetype! At least he will be the base line of what you need to make flip monster great again I guess

[@leonhart776]

There is another one but can only be summoned in mp2

[@nunyabiznes33]

I've encountered them in DL and they're frustrating to come across. And they haven't even got all their card yet.

[@joaquinurraa6499]

Spyral explained pls

[@alextylergaming2320]

Im the evil bastard that uses calamity with my krawler deck

[@We3dCraftLP]

I Like my altergeist deck 😅😅

[@streetgamer3452]

So sad that guru and fiendess are the only real worth cards in the deck. They really need to give the behemoths and fighters upgraded forms

[@gravekeepersven82]

dont forget archer and umastryx as well.

[@colboy123]

Just as coder makes a subterror video huh

[@Bezaliel13]

Guess you would have preferred "Defender" was called "Defensive," eh?

[@MrBounceoutboi]

When i had a pure subterror deck i did run the Skeleton, well one of, i didnt like it

[@santo1491]

When are you gonna go over the branded lore again?

[@oussamalasfer4860]

they look like dragons but they everything but dragons lol

[@Dehalove]

Stratergy isnt a word bro

[@aldrinflores4531]

I know it's off topic with the new update to Master Duel with Marincess new support and Salamangreat Structure Deck can we get Explained for each of these archetypes

[@dashingkevs3295]

Beso, Can I get beso?

[@dakotadoyle7573]

MUNCH ALL NOOBS, MUNCH ALL NOOBS, MUNCH ALL NOOBS

[@filthycasual9189]

Ah monster hunter the archetype