Why Are People Playing FLAME GOLEMS?

[@Brillanty]

As a new player I really like being able to know more about different kind of builds, old or new.

[@stu.chainz]

Very much agree with this!

[@TheHonzai]

I love this build! I've tried it probably at least 1x for the past 4 leagues and I 100% agree with your conclusion. It's a VERY mid build that requires too much investment for the results. It's no longer a leaguestart build imo, when GGG removed the primordial jewels from the core drop pool, the prices haven't been the same. At this point in the league, it's not too bad, but when you need 7+ decently rolled harmonies + primordial might + anima stone, 6L pledge, etc., you're sitting at a 2nd build level of investment, with leaguestart level of output. Since this build has fallen out of favor, 1 thing that a lot of people miss or dont' know, is that flame golem's magma balls are like impending doom, where they have a CD (which is why harmony golems have increased CDR is important) and 3 charges. So, if they did more damage, it could be fun to balance their cast speed and cooldown, based upon spell echo and greater spell echo, etc. Thanks for reviewing this classic!

[@idontusegmail5342]

the build is great for afk blight, i made my first 100div with flamegolems this season just afk blight farming to then swap to ci stone golem you 100% dont need primordial might which also happens to be more expensive than 2 20% dmg 45% cdr harmony its a blight blaster not a bosser and for 4-15divs it worked amazingly for me

[@aer0]

knew id find you here

[@salihkizildag]

out of topic, but I have no clue why more people dont play trap builds on the golemancer archetype. Slavedriver is insane with lightning golem and it's significantly tankier and faster than sabo with much more dps potential. then again, sabo is one of the worst ascendancies for trap builds atm

[@HayanJinju]

Man, i remember when 1 million dps was enough to call a build good/capable of beating the then pinnacles.

[@hapeenes2927]

remember playing instant leech molten strike and i was phasing self farmed shaper in tabula cause i was too cheap to buy a 6 link armor that gives something.

[@piszczello]

1m is still more than capable of beating pinnacles. If you think pinnacles have something like 80m hp, that's just 80 seconds of dps. In real terms you're looking at 3-4 minute fights. Not farmable, but by all means playable especially with decent defenses. I cleared some pinnacle fights this league on SSF SRS Guardian with like 800k dps. My defenses were fine so I could sacrifice some dps. People just get used to seeing 30m dps streamer builds and think that's the norm.

[@TheJaZooka]

​@@piszczellobut depending on damage uptime they can feel bad for mapping cause of rare mods

[@hapeenes2927]

@@piszczello yea but back in the day those 1kk dps builds were like: 5k life capped elemental resistances fortify on movement skill. Vs even yours ssf srs guardian with decent uptime, beast recovery and maxed out natural block not to mention other things you can add there, it was a different game thou.

[@Rj-cf8eh]

Righteous fire is super popular, but i think the specific sub-type of rf that scales rf itself rsther than fire trap or some other skill is one if the comfiest mappers that isnt often talked about. Im talking about +5 staff + carcass jack sorta builds. It's possible to get something like a level 40 righteous fire that covers 90% of the screen.

[@greatgamingendavour]

It would have been good if it choose a specefic way of damage like either use spells via fire spray and fire ball drop or pure melee attack but doing both makees it soo random thus very hard tondamage scale . 🙄😤😮‍💨🤨

[@Hasibo95]

Completely off topic question, but is that an MTX that changes the Border around monster HP bars at the top?

[@subtractem]

I just assumed it was from the latest patch. No idea!

[@mic-drop-74]

Love this build but it is the worst for delve even with the leash. Golems fall behind too much, don't do enough damage and you end up alone with the cart getting curb stomped.

[@G33KST4R]

Now that PoE2 is a separate game, I pray that GGG starts reversing their malicious nerfing of permanent minions. It's less about the damage being bad, but the survivability of you and your building is so pathetic.

[@ElicatrothTV]

The sad thing is, this buffed not all that long ago with changes to golems. But it really is just too much effort for next to no payout. Offmeta its still rough because the currency gain is really really slow. Absolutely do not recommend league starting this even if it appears to be cheap right now, early league the jewels will be fairly high, still only Chaos per jewel but with the absolute quantity you need, it adds up and does not scale well at all without them.

[@ejun251]

I'm glad you cover some off-meta builds. Great initiative

[@randomencounter8984]

Sadly you have to sacrifice so much for mediocre damage that golem builds just are feel bad builds when you get into end game. Minion nerfs killed my favorite build.

[@syph5487]

One of my fav builds. They killed it on league start when they made the jewels not a common drop. And the cards are not super common for how many you need in the build. 2 curses also feels like a must now with most elemental type minions.

[@mamija94]

Yeah, it used to be really powerful back in the days, but it's just so below average nowadays. Damage depends on type of golem's spells... The ranged one does the most dmg. The other ones do lower damage. So, in a boss fight, you convocate them away from the boss, to maximize damage. Even with that, damage is not all that impressive.

[@johnwickfromfortnite5744]

Staying with the minion theme, how about a look at Soulwrest or ranged-type spectres? Especially the latter, solar guards and in later leagues syndicate operatives were some of the most fun summoning there ever was in this game. I'm currently playing a guardian that uses Hyrri's Watch for clear, and it works very well, would love your opinion on that flavour of minion!

[@guillaume6459]

This is what i thaught with devour support new-ish gem.

[@xixyz1414]

if you're looking for more builds to throw in the series, replica iron commander strength stacker is super solid and i built it really cheap this league even with strength stacking being pretty popular. 11 div for replica alberons, less if you're okay with lower %strength. 2-5~ div for 6-link iron fortress with a good roll, astramentis is basically BIS ammy worth peanuts, bow doesn't need to be six-linked so it's like 20c, can use the cyclopian coil for belt slot, and a few strength essences for the rings and you're easily killing every boss in the game. main thing that keeps people away probably is that you need quite a bit of defense investment if you want to survive ubers long enough for them to die.

[@knicklichtjedi]

Ohhh, I like the premise of this video series! I love the Golem Ascendancy Nodes + the Golem tree nodes on league start. Very comfy bunch of stats!

[@The_Grimsun]

Love the randomness that you choose to cover this build. A few leagues ago I started as a bait build for ele and since I was miserable and it was my first league where I hit endgame my buddy knew flame golems was something he could toss together for me to at least have me playing the game. Since then every league I make the joke "Ye and the 10-15 people playing Flame Golems." because I know how neiche it was when I played it and it is every league. But meh damage aside I loved the build and this league I tried to make it better, test the limits, Buddy happened to get a replica for flame golems, etc. And unironically I still love the build. You slap some exposure and curses with the golems you can be semi tanky and it is a great walking simulator. Do wish it had any ability to hit the levels of bossing, but it's a great mapper.

[@Vulgaels]

I wonder if ignite flame golem can be a thing in this day and age of u scale golem lvl, replica dragon etc then you chain cast flame surge with the link

[@j.d.6915]

What I took from this is that the top ascendancy has more percentage of players than the bottom 9 ascendancies, and the same amount as the number two and three ascendancies.

[@miragebt8759]

Love these videos conceipt, it helps understand how a build is good/bad and why An archetype i’ve been thinking about is cobra lash/assassin poison on hit base that i don’t think is played that much nowadays while this skill as so much going for it

[@anwar5792]

Hey Substractem, I've been tinkering with the idea of just using the golems in essentially a RF helmet making them a 6l. (or chest). And add in flame based spectres (or put the spectres in the helmet). I remeber in the past flame golem used to scale good with +levels. So maybe a skin of the loyal. (flesh crafter is also a option). Spectre wise using flame sentinels or whatever. This is essentially 2 6 links. Covering the whole screen. Opening up the weapon slot and then a shield for defensive options. Do you think something like this would work?

[@jameskurth3560]

I do something very similar with ice golems and it works well for what it is.

[@seikojin]

I always want to know about my common build: cwc cyclone sire using ball lightning. Your tech video on the timeless jewel upped my damage back into the range where I was able to take some bosses like pre-cwc nerf. I am wondering if there is a future/build where sire could be the staff of choice to get into bossing with cwc. I was assuming something with chaos damage. But nothing ever panned out when I tested.

[@seifeir6951]

I never tried cwc BL. In scourge I ran unleash BL with sire, swapping to one of the agnerods for bosses. I had good luck with that build

[@seikojin]

@@seifeir6951 It used to be fine for mapping and some bossing. However after the Maven was added, they nerfed CwC into the ground. It is almost like a walking simulator, so nice in that way. It is doing full screen damage all the time, which is good, and offscreens a lot. I figure a few more tech tricks and it may have potential to be my one stop shop.

[@Xomage999]

Did something a lot like this in Kalandra league and unfortunately have to agree with a lot of the points. I really want golems to be awesome, but the state of the game makes that supremely difficult. Very comfortable for low effort low juice mapping, but the second you kick it up a notch the build stumbles.

[@NicholasLoomans]

Surprised no mention of what it does well, which is afk blight maps. I made it last league - for about 10d I could sit in a blight map with a couple towers around and have a chill time. Bought 200 blight maps, put the tv on, and made decent currency for the effort

[@bonez994]

I would love to see anything with VD - i loved the spellslinger necro version back in the day so anything with slinger is preferred, but anything else will do too! One of my favorite skills I'd love to play again

[@nicholasfigueiredo3171]

You can still do VD but I wouldn't recommend doing with spellslinger the reservation + mana cost is not worth it for the added damage. I mean you could invest a ton of money into the build and still do it but it is just not worth it. Even doing it with a CWDT setup is better. But hey if you don't mind a 2 button playstyle VD or DD + Desecrate or Unearth is pretty great

[@kwodjo]

Thank you for making this video. I used to play flame golem years ago but monsters are just to strong now. One way to make your damage a little bit better is to always convocate your golems away from the boss so they are always using their flame ball move.

[@IceBluetex]

I am a big fan of perforate but never got to make a working build so i maybe thats worth looking into?

[@aberwood]

My favourite version is chaos golems with poison, it solves the single target problems and their sunder attack can offscreen.

[@chasejohnson7163]

Wouldn't going necro be better because you could still get elemancer node through jewels and I feel like you would get way more dmg and survivability that way

[@chester2875]

i will always remember my first shaper kill was flame golems with me lying on the floor dead while the golems kill shaper. good and fun times.

[@RockOfFire6]

This is really cool!! :D Looking forward to the future of the off meta Mondays!!

[@Dominik40301]

Heavily underpowered, i see some builds with people that are lvl 98, they have around 200k dps per golem on flame wave attack which deals most damage, same setup as on this video, primordial chain, pledge of hands but with brass dome. And thats what, 7 flame golems its not even 2mil dps. So sad, GGG only values skills they like to play so they buff them. Can you reach 20 mil dps with flame golems? Not a chance, even though 20mil is not much since there are builds for less than 100 div which can do more I mean, seriously ,what does GGG think? What would they say if we said all this to them? Why are flame golems so limited with their dps that you can only do easy tier 16 maps with no hard mods There are so many skill gems and builds in poe, but you cant play that you like, if you do, you are limited with content you can do in game

[@JKutaragi]

Something seems wrong in this build. I played fire golems in 3.20 on HC and have far more damage and EHP. Perhaps my version was not as much "walking simulator" as this, but still, difference in DPS is huge.

[@subtractem]

Not sure, I'm just copying exactly what I see on poe.ninja that everyone else is playing. Would love to know what's missing damage wise there if it's an easy fix.

[@JKutaragi]

@@subtractem I used anathema ring for singletarget, big exposure WoC instead of shaper of storms, and additional damage aura blessing via vaal clarity (~90 uptime). Clearing was almost the same, but bossing - far more decent.

[@connercoons7363]

my fav build ever was carrion golem in delirium ever sense then ive been trying to recreate something like it but never got even close

[@livejamie]

I was looking at this build yesterday! What are your thoughts on Fourth Vow versus Lightning Coil?

[@subtractem]

It's worse. I compared it as well.

[@prestonhurst]

The thing that keeps me playing is the fact that there is always something new to try. I always keep one character for my Magic Find, but I do enjoy playing these niche builds. They almost never disappoint or...SUBTRACEM from the game. Yikes that was a bad attempt at a pun...lol

[@anthonywaker3514]

YIKES CRINGE jk hehe

[@healthymindhappierlife5089]

I ran this as a league starter one time. It has great clear imo, but it kinda feels like you wanna run it as a glass cannon, dont get hit kinda build. You save a ton of time because you can loot and kill at the same time. Did fine clearing 16s quickly. If you find damage is still an issue you can run the 6 abyssal socket chest. Also, are you running Conc effect? It should allow you to shotgun better on single target. My boss kill speed was much faster in the version I put together. You're also not running Ancestral guardian which would buff your damage quite a bit.

[@subtractem]

I am running the exact version that I see on poe.ninja that is played by 90% of people there (except I replaced that bad Brass Dome choice).

[@healthymindhappierlife5089]

@@subtractem Gotcha! Just adding ideas. I'm sure you of all people already considered the other options. Cheers.

[@Legionthecomrade]

A lot of minions just really are not what they used to be and not really worth bothering with sadly. Lots of nerfs both directly and indirectly without a whole lot of love in return.

[@Jektastic]

Four words, "Flame Link, trust me"

[@carlostrevisan1980]

Have you searched for jugg life stackers + dancing dervish + flame link on poe ninja? You will love it

[@SICxPAIN]

I have always wanted to see someone make a build that successfully takes advantage of the Ambush skill gem (maybe paired with nightblade?).

[@Fragamemnon]

I mean if you want to play permanent minions and just watch a TV show on a second screen while playing this pretty much does OK right? I think this build does fall below the "Mendoza" line for normal play, but POE isn't full of people making perfectly efficient decisions. You can slap this on a atlas tree with blight and alva temples and cruise control your way to good returns while catching up on your favorite shows.

[@DoPtRiGGa]

For AFK I think I would go stone golems but I'm not sure if it really works anymore, I used to have a near immortal stone golem necro tho was like 5,000 hp regen per sec with an army of slam spamming golems

[@yakoobski]

Noone sane is using Primordial Chain like that since GGG added extra golem on the tree (3.8) and +lvl amulets (3.9). You could easily tripple your dmg instead of that mediocre 4%-13% more buff from chain. You actually lose damage by using it.

[@subtractem]

84% of people playing flame golems are using Primordial Chain right now. I'm just testing what most people are playing.

[@Saiperia]

i play attribute stacking inquisitor with widow hail poised prism atm doing some cast on crit + insert any projectil spell and manaforged arow stuff. its cheap unless you want to do ice spear + additional proj tatoos ( iam to poor for that). i want to switch from widow hail to synth base with cold dmg / dex and 3 ele roll but still crafting the waepon ( for more dmg trough battle mage). Sockets for more stuff would like to use is a problem^^.

[@Hellwolf36]

To be fair, I only use Fire Golems to bestow the Damage effect to myself and then Roid out the buff effect to high amounts. Thats how I used them last time when I did Endless Heist. They are more for supporting yourself than damage dealing. You would be better off with Carrion Golems with supporting Specters to apply IDTs or Charges

[@AdelphiaaWoW]

this is my favourite build because I prefer walking simulators (due to getting carpel tunnel etc) I just wish this build was a bit stronger :/

[@tabl3s]

I've spent alot of hours playing and theory crafting poison carrion golems as Occultist if you're interested in checking it out. I have a League Start, Mid and High investment POB. Bout as off meta as you can get lol.

[@yakoobski]

With poison minions you couoldn't get anywhere closer to meta than that. Currently only playable versions of golems/srs/skellies are covenant+united in dream poison builds.

[@tabl3s]

@yakoobski Never seen anyone go poison golem occultist...hence why I said it was off meta. Obvi with the advent of poison srs, poison minions are on the map...but not golems that's for sure.

[@yakoobski]

@@tabl3s Bruh. I'm playing Poison Carrions for 3 leagues straight now. Ever since Covenant rework and poison SRS getting mainstream. Check poeninja. 29 chars last league 30% occultist. 20 chars this league 30% occultist. And that's only top of the ladder. Imagine how many more people play it but quit before getting to resonable levels to show on the ladder. The problem with Occu is zero defences. Only redeeming factor is the explodes. Tried Occu this league, didn't like it. So swapped ascend back to Elementalist and stole Occu explodes via Forbidden jewels. Works like a charm.

[@tabl3s]

@yakoobski I've seen the boards, people been playing if for a while. My respond wasn't intended as an absolute, of course people play it...more of i havent seen anyone put out a thoughtful guide on it but the fact not many people play it compared to its counterparts in the poison minion group means it is in fact, not meta. And ya compared to other builds its defenses are lacking but mines got 60k EHP. Not astounding but nothing to scoff at imo. I find carrions fun to play, I could go for something better overall but I love my carrion. If I need to give up something to have fun with a build I'm fine with that. Kinda like srs, I'll only play it with the unique helm.

[@Blejder_POE]

Herald of Thunder - with crest of desire - that was fun and i think it would be nice to check it - a lot off buffs for it this legaue.

[@BloodyN1nja]

When I golems I usually just have a lot of Carrion Golems, 1 Stone, 1 Chaos for the buffs

[@LlaroldLive]

I've been interested in the Mahuxotl's Machination/Doryani's Lightning Strike Champ. Probably a bit too expensive and similar to your recent Poison LS Guardian, but it's veeeeery interesting, a shining example of the kind of unique build concepts that only PoE allows. Being able to turn the -60% Cold/Lightning Resistance Blue Altars into a damage bonus with zero downside is pretty rad, plus it's a Champion build, so it's basically immortal.

[@Typhoeous]

Don't awakened spell echo and spell echo count as the same gem so they don't stack?

[@subtractem]

the staff gives something unique called "greater spell echo" which is different

[@erwinfernandez5152]

hi, can u give poison carrion golem variant a try, as despair is quite op, thats the only variant worth playing currently IMO

[@salihninja]

Awesome video man! Im wondering whether you can try out atziris rule? i been playing it for a few leagues and the dmg is kinda nice but because of it being a staff and having a delay its a bit clunky but visually the build feels awesome. Maybe you got any ideas on how to make it feel good?

[@deathofshadows]

like 2 or 3 seasons ago i played this build farming blight maps and it was veeeeeeeeeery comfortable. highly recommended for blight maps (bottled faith mandatory lol)

[@DoktorNutella]

Maybe checkout Armabrand Inquisitor with Rathpit and Bloodmagic. People still play that and it seems pretty similar to the Firestorm inquisitor people have been playing.

[@Demortixx]

Always likes the idea of a minion build. Golem, skele, zombie

[@SpecShadow]

I've tried flame golems (from Ethan/TheGameR3port) and had nice offence for Blight (not sure about Ravaged, maybe with more currency?) but not that great defence.

[@magicshroom3346]

it requires a brass dome and max block to feel more tanky. Also a flesh offering skill gives alot more damage to the build. i've killed my first feared with this build. the big downside now is that we don't have access anymore to the determination reservation mastery. everything off meta can feel mid with only 10 divs investment..

[@subtractem]

i explain in this video why brass dome is actually the wrong choice, you can upgrade the defense even more with a lightning coil and some tattoos.

[@magicshroom3346]

@@subtractem yeah i forgot about tattoos lol

[@zxkredo]

Personally, i dont like the new style of the typical "clickbait" title and thumbnails. Thats the reason why i haven't watched most of the latest videos. Just wanted to give a bit of feedback as I loved to watch you because your content felt different than most of youtube.

[@zombiejesus7445]

I tried to make a poison cobra lash assassin... just couldn't get it to really work

[@DoPtRiGGa]

Poison got nerfed this league and cobra lash is just bad lol Also I don't think Assassin is the play either, pretty sure pathfinder would be better (I could be wrong here though)

[@CasualDudeGaming]

Always wanted to play a minion build but I can't trust NPC lol. Trying to fresh start with it and minon are so SLOW. I expect them to go and just hit the monster already, but they wait for me to go close enough to get aggro.

[@DanboReviews]

Interesting. Thanks for showing this off. Have been playing 2 autobombers this league and HoT autobomber at 20-30 div was definitely faster and melted bosses relatively quickly, but was more of a glass-cannon I think. Always great to see similar playstyles but see the difference in speed, damage and defense.

[@sergeyb1253]

Primorial chain is a bite, you decrease your damage a lot, just calculate that! Same as usage mostly harmony only .

[@folomegah]

Hello, nice video! Would love to see something on Storm Brand. I played it back in delirium (the last league i played) and now coming back i see it has fallen off a lot. I played a mana stacking indigon elementalist version. Playing an inquisitor this league. I like the feeling of it and the all roundedness, and have been wondering why its not so played anymore.

[@BirdsRntReal]

I disagree brass dome is definitely underated by you imo. I am the only shield crush jugg I have seen in Playstation. +5 res is big

[@subtractem]

I said for this specific build. The math doesn't lie in this situation. Brass Dome is the wrong for for THIS build.

[@RabidLemonRage]

Is carrion golem bad?

[@Hazetheassassin]

sometimes i would build knowing the skill isnt that great just so it feel like a new builds/experience

[@Roflskeeter]

Ive always wanted a turong spectre build. Giant explody ball minions are hilarious.

[@Mocpac007]

Honestly the bossing isnt gonna get any better. I think that build is more meant for speedish run clears. I think with an animate guardian with grave binds inpulsa the build would feel a lot better for walking simulator. Then left click convocation will feel better.

[@wellox8856]

Frost bomb aoe stacking elementalist was a fun build I played this league

[@Cat_vs_Jad]

You can improve this build a lot. Add a hungry loop AG linked to elemental army, meat shield, min life and feeding frenzy with increased damage taken helmet, culling strike axe, elemental weakness gloves. Get 3-4 spectres with 2x pale seraphim, carnage, and arena master. Your dps will go up quite a lot with this.

[@carlostrevisan1980]

Then you need to change the necklace since it forbides use of other minions. Than you need to invest in more minion resists since elancer golems are immune to elements you usually didint invest on it. And so and so

[@AngelSabat10]

Why he didnt talk about carrion golem¿?

[@52blue72]

I'd love for you to take a look at dancing dervish. Almost nobody plays it but it's actually a fantastic minion build and really cheap to start.

[@jameskurth3560]

It's also fantastic with open palm.

[@SloggaII]

I'd love to see your take on a bleed bow build right now.

[@arthurthesecond7137]

I tried to Push this to the max in Standard. Got a bow with +1synth, +1 socketed gems, +2 ro Support gems and +8% quality to socketed gems. With a helmet +2 to all Minion Skill gems and lvl 21/23 anomalous Golems and an empwer lvl4 my Golems are lvl 32 and with a Lot of primordial eminence and primordial Chain i get about 2000 Life regen, 74% phys reduction and a Lot of Cast, Attack Speed and crit

[@MidsummerNightScream]

love this series!

[@leggomyekko8136]

I'm playing self chill forbidden rite right now. it's not MY build but it's been pretty alright so far, I have roughly 10 divines put into it.

[@sober667]

I technicaly have 5l stone gollems but my main skill is Deathwish so its not realy gollem build - i bet there is alot of ppl like that wich cuts on how many ppl play acual golems Ice golems with replica cold iron points is fun

[@WyattGoslingIsCool]

I don’t have a particular skill in mind but an architype: eternity shroud.

[@ZwrP]

use storm blast mines if you want to pump damage

[@ragnarokda206]

I thought primordial chain was bait? It never felt better to use that vs having support minions.

[@subtractem]

I just did what i see most people doing on poe.ninja. I just checked and 84% of flame golem users are using it.

[@yakoobski]

It is. Huge bait. Primordial Chain is in need of a major rework for like 3-4 years now. Ever since they added extra golem on the tree in 3.7 and +lvl amulets in 3.9. It's actualy not viable for golemancer. Still viable for elemancer that uses golems to buff self. But Golemancer is a big no no. 5->8 golem scenario is 4% more dmg. 4->7 golem scenario is 13% more dmg. It's so bad that a simple +1 fire amulet is already better or on par for flame golem. Could easily tripple the damage just by dropping chain and putting on replica dragon, spectres, guardian, unbound skitters, proxy, switching ascend from shock to extra exposure, etc.

[@ragnarokda206]

@@yakoobskiIt sucks because if you were a new player you'd 100% think that this would be the best possible amulet for a golem-centric build, too. But there are a few uniques that need a rework, that's for sure.

[@duschtgernnackt6380]

I really enjoy the Carrion Golem Auramancer in Heist League. This was fun but now.... i tested near the same build this league with arround 400 div investment. Its a waste of time....

[@carlostrevisan1980]

A mageblood can fix de defenses. But with 360 divines you can build better minions, probably

[@RoxzinGaming]

Sad, i used to love golemancer, specially scaling the buffs they provide. Hope it gets buffed soon

[@AlucardNoir]

Does Gazzy know you're doing a minion build video? Because if he doesn't I'd expect the Swedish special forces breaking your door any moment now. He's Swedish right?

[@Emberrs]

Off meta build would be something like Winter Orb

[@Fragamemnon]

I farmed half a mirror worth of stuff with worb this league. Charge stacking with Elegant Hubris notables and Supreme Ostentation is absurd cheap damage.

[@sedativeman]

Infernal blow cyclone! I used to run this with Facebreakers 24/7 until they nerfed Facebreakers down to 800% from 1k.

[@xTobsecretx]

Primordial chain is a mistake imho, Dragonfang’s is more damage.

[@yakoobski]

Waaay more dmg. Especialy when you add spectres, guardian, skitters, proxy, etc. Could easily quadruple damage just by removing chain and doing a proper build with support minions.

[@xTobsecretx]

@@yakoobski yep! I think most people on the ladder are playing with primordial chain bc it makes it easier to devote one or two slots to defensive golems (stone golem, chaos golem) but imho those aren't really worth it anymore. Before the nerfs to golem stacking it was already just kinda worth it, now I think it's just a downright terrible idea. Better off investing in reservation efficiency and running more defensive auras.

[@Fooshi]

i heard max crit stone golems are 1 shotting ubers right now and is a pretty solid build just not a great mapper

[@dylannelson1638]

Man I still play ice crash str stack inquis every league. Love it to death. Usually deals about 3-12 Mil, nothing crazy. But it's a beefy boy.

[@dustinwagner5902]

Super mid is more than what 99% of players ever do. Its like your “certainly under 10 DIV” builds that are actually 100+ minimum!

[@subtractem]

100+ minimum? example please?

[@JMyapiliscious]

I wish they buff this and solar guards, they are the minions that lured me into playing poe

[@mond2440]

everyone knows that GGG hates minion builds (except when it's poison SRS)

[@THEF4LLOFM4N]

I use my golem and war chief totem as a buffer between me and enemies 😂😅

[@Vulgaels]

Played it in 3.21....but couldmt figure defences

[@Mordethphoenix]

I really miss my golem builds :(

[@HollowPiero]

How about a classic death's oath + CA occultist?

[@gehirndoper]

Would've been cool to see Lightning Golem at the same time. I like its spell better.

[@panda93247]

I'm kind of getting tired of the phys taken as meta, and just want armor, evasion, and ES to just be good again without the reliance on everything else.

[@pickledbeaker5916]

no surprise there, most minions builds have been gutted long time ago