Succession Season 4 Episode 5 - Roman and Matsson Scene (SPOILER ALERT)

[@SkyArgo]

i like how kendall knew he was gonna do that

[@jinu1515]

Such a great scene! Roman absolutely killed it and i also love how Mattson seems to be genuinely irritated by him at the end

[@razzprince2877]

​@Zechariah Ahl I get this but one thing I don't quite understand is, the boys won. Like I know they weren't interested in selling but that was like 15 minutes before this scene. Before that, their goal was to bump the price up massively..... Which they did. Mattson always had the option to go over their heads so to think the boys lost simply because they sold way over the asking price..... I don't know, I don't feel for it at all.

[@fidelzurita3844]

I thought he was going to hit him. Then I remembered that in the show there are no murder attempts or so lol.

[@lethrneck4]

@@razzprince2877 like Kendall told him “we’re already rich” So Mattson paying anything over the 144 per share they wanted..doesn’t effect them at all..BUT mattson knows the board could never vote no to his final offer..Roman told him off,, that was the only win for the Roy’s,,

[@kyle1137]

@@razzprince2877 They lost in the moment in a Pissing Contest. In the long run it'll be good for them.

[@preddyshite6342]

@Zechariah Ahl Nah. This is the scene where Roman became Logan. I remember couple episodes back when they needed someone to talk to the president or something and Gerri was like he's basically Logan 2.0 or something. All the kids are smart, and Roman has always just been a smart ass, but Mattson triggered him.

[@tomrajan7880]

Peter Dinklage has his “I demand a Trial by Combat” moment, and Kieran Culkin has his “I fucking HATE you” moment. Both are incredible moments in TV.

[@ihateintroductions5808]

EH, it wasn't that great lol. Tyrion's moment was momentous, Rome's was ... childish, & a little too late. They should've said all of that when he tried to do this in the first place. Logan would have said "F you, no meeting, we're grieving. F off."

[@ZachAsaD]

Ooooo he’s Macaulay Culkins brother? I thought he looked familiar but I couldn’t put my finger on it

[@lilmilontiktok]

@@ihateintroductions5808 not that, dumbass. The acting. Not what the characters’ actions

[@Fondrom]

Huh? Lol.. Tyrions (Peter dinklage) moment is legendary, this scene is great but nothing special..

[@ibrahimsahin6615]

Yeh it was good but wtf

[@eee-man9545]

Roman snapped and I’m all for it,no more passive aggressions I really saw the Logan in him when he told Mattson how the deal is going to be and how he can bark around and nobody will listen you can genuinely see Mattson folding little by little,best part was Mattson giggling and Roman laughing back at him because he does not care and is not phased by his threat What a great moment for Roman

[@showdown2006]

I think the difference here is that Logan would do all this without telling him

[@markusklein7222]

Roman is an absolut idiot and will get what he deserves at the end. They are nothing against logan and will run his company into the ground in a few weeks after his death.

[@00st307-m]

@@showdown2006 bingo. The Roy kids don’t keep their motivations close to their chest.

[@emilioqlozano2318]

Mattson got the lady laugh

[@d.eliiii]

"His two big boys playing Scooby Doos." Something about that line tickles me. Its the way he says "Scooby Doo" Alexander Skarsgård is amazing in this show! Such a great scene.

[@tastygravy6880]

"I fucking hate you" that line was delivered with such blatant anger, Matsson was smart sure but very cold, Logan had just died and his disregard for the familys feelings during that time was a step too far.

[@sanjulienne]

Kieran Culkin...AMAZING...quite possibly the best acting of his career. Period.

[@billyobfas6962]

This dude is learning how to act on this show and gets better in every season and the writers see that and give him better work to do

[@ericvigil1782]

His best was in Scott Pilgrim

[@zachariahthomas8885]

gives his performance in home alone a run for the money

[@sanjulienne]

@@zachariahthomas8885 That was his brother Macaulay! Dude seriously??🙄

[@friedmayo]

@@sanjulienne kieran was in home alone too! he was fuller

[@Meerzie]

I've never cheered so hard watching something in a long long time

[@Intake33]

One of my favourite scenes in all four series. The most articulate Roman has ever been

[@airmack101]

Its a negotiating tactic you stupid cunt

[@ompaloompa65]

This scene just won Kieran his Emmy.

[@NickyBlueEyes94]

Roman had the speech I’ve been waiting for Kendal to have for 3 seasons. I knew the show wouldn’t end without one of them showing some serious Logan Roy fuck off energy. Turns out it was Roman all along.

[@HiveMind629]

Kendall shows it in a subtle way like with Hugo at the end of episode 4

[@govardhanposina17]

Thing is Logan would've never shown such vitriol and emotion directly to an opponent

[@ihateintroductions5808]

Eh, he has the ability to say it because he's a Roy. He can fire people, legitimate people that the company needs, all day every day. But he still sucks as a CEO.

[@prxnceanime6335]

Roman can be a prick sometimes but damn, felt for him this scene, the emotion, the acting, just everything. Kinda also wish he punched matsson💀💀

[@unadanni]

Yeah, Roman in prison would've been great if he'd been stupid enough to go that far.

[@lexisisk8079]

I was waiting for one of them to hit each other lol

[@kepani54]

Whenever I feel for Roman I remember what he did to that kid in the first episode

[@majinboozer4520]

Kendalls line at the end is hilarious with his arms in pockets casual as all.

[@jeebs621]

This has to be one of the greatest moments in television history 😮‍💨

[@frname7665]

It wasn't but it was good

[@IwinMahWay]

@@frname7665 but it was

[@michaelstewart3532]

It is. I've watched it 25 times and Kieran should get an Emmy

[@michaelstewart3532]

​@@frname7665 it is

[@frname7665]

@@michaelstewart3532 Well no

[@mattb2704]

I don't know why people read this scene as a win for Roman or that he's having his 'Logan' moment. Logan would never reveal emotional turmoil in the middle of such a huge deal, let alone directly to the person he's in negotiations with. Roman was impulsive and emotional here. It's cathartic, yes, but not in a way that benefits his or Ken's proud little designs for holding on to waystar. Mattson seems completely bemused by it, and immediately goes behind them to the board, which shows just how quickly they lost whatever small amount of respect he had left for them before this scene.

[@ihateintroductions5808]

This

[@heyaytlgno3951]

Does the pierce negotiations not count lol

[@mattb2704]

@heyaytlg no He's definitely a little short during the pierce negotiations, mainly out of frustration for the way his family is coming across. I take your point, but at no time does he actually express that in words or explicitly describe what he's feeling to the Pierce family, unlike what Roman does here.

[@aaronfreeman5865]

Roman won. Mattson took three swings at their father who just died and they warned him they were grieving. The third time Roman snapped. What exactly was Mattson going to say well i kept bringing up how their father would be ashamed of them and they told me to stop then I did it again and he yelled at me and said nasty shit?! No he got called out he had no play at the end but he ended up hating roman long term.

[@nightwishisthegreatestband6355]

@@aaronfreeman5865 you haven't finished the show. Roman lost here. Even with the circumstances of Logan's death, you never lose it in a deal this. Matsson calked them over at this time on purpose because he knew they couldn't think straight at this time. So they will be very easy to provoke.

[@V45hTh3Stamp3d3]

So damn good. He's gonna get an emmy for this.

[@LurielRasui]

It's that easy?

[@markusklein7222]

@@LurielRasui a youtube comment doesn't equel a emmy buddy of course he wont get one. Only person that could get one in s4 is shiv/sarah snook.

[@SlipknotMachinehead]

Called it

[@V45hTh3Stamp3d3]

​@@LurielRasui Apparently so.

[@gersonmarioticonamendoza4855]

This is the moment where Roman becomes Logan and says: I'm the Succession

[@sankarsshanansundararajan8829]

It's Succ'n time

[@longan12]

I am become Succession, the destroyer of deals

[@deoduceassassin]

Roman is in full fledged kill mode right now and I love it. He fucked himself and they have no idea what they are doing but still I love this for rome

[@daniellaalmeida9718]

That scene gave him everything this here. That scene right there.

[@JamesBlaseMorrissey]

Everyone is talking about Roman but for me the dialog from Mattson is awesome. He immediately tells them to their face that he knows they are playing games to tank the deal and he will go around them to the board and “old timers” (Karl, Frank etc). They tried to be slick and he calls them out for going to Hannah Barberra business school bahahaha.

[@willythekid7123]

this

[@heardithere1]

I think the praise is to Kieran's acting here as opposed to which character has the upper hand.

[@AA-qb7ni]

Kieran and Sarah deserve Emmys for this season. They're killing it!!!

[@simonuhrick7674]

had to come back and watch this scene. loved Sarah Snook, but this is probably the best scene of the season. Think this sealed his win

[@renegadeoffunk32]

I was so proud of Roman when he said "STFU man we're not selling to you" 😊

[@chroniclesofervil]

loving how the whole dialogue played out: Mattsson was trying to push his toughness onto the 2 brothers, knowing very well what had just happened ie. their dad just passed away. and go as far as calling their dad a prick. Kendall didnt push further, likely cuz he didnt want to mess out the deal (looks good, but he wants more). and all he did was trying to push the deal to its limits. indicative of his character flaws. Roman did his best and push further. and went to address all the dick moves from Mattsson. this part is something we all hope we could see more when logan was alive. but something sparks in roman and he went amok on it. im kinda digging it actually. excellent

[@fatmaalmaimani5004]

The music at at end summarized everything loved it with the helicopter scene.. great performance

[@marymatthews678]

Mattson makes the Roys look like gentlemen. I actually was hoping they'd push him off the mountain. What a C-word.

[@rithikdhakshnamoorthy2974]

So what’s the difference between Logan and him?

[@marymatthews678]

@@rithikdhakshnamoorthy2974 I think the key difference between Mattson and Logan is that there is actually something wrong in Mattson's wiring; I think he probably has Aspergers or some sort of neuro diversity. Logan is making a conscious choice to be brutal and cruel - it's a toughening up exercise for the rigors of business. Also Logan is very droll and funny - Mattson is terrifyingly unfunny, unhinged.

[@u2rocks7993]

Koolaid?

[@gee2541]

@@marymatthews678The idea that neurodivergent people are automatically cruel or callous is a warped and inaccurate idea and I would recommend not perpetuating that rhetoric. The dude’s just an asshole. Doesn’t mean he has to be neurodivergent or on the spectrum.

[@username-I5J7ts5GCF]

Roman told him to leave the feelings out of it in one of their previous meetings but suddenly can't handle the callousness.

[@beemoney19]

Matsson slips up and gives the game away here and Ken is too stupid, Roman too raw, to notice. He *needs* this to happen fast. He's clearly got far worse skeletons than frozen blood or bogus subscriber counts. He needs the part store of Waystar so he can sell off what he doesn't wanna keep and bury the GoJo dirt with it. He'll use Tom as a scapegoat for any blowback or stock price dip and replace him with his bearded friend. He *needs* this to happen. And the price doesn't really matter to him. Not in a real sense, not to a guy who can just have a retreat on what is essentially a private mountaintop. Not when he *needs* this to happen.

[@sebastianbarbosaestudio]

what an actor!!!! masterfull Ron!

[@JustSomeCanadianGuy]

Season 4 is gonna be impossible to watch a second time! 😂 Knowing it all ends with Mattson winning and so easily too.

[@sssf55]

I don't think he necessarily did, yes he won control over the company but he paid a 33% premium on an already overvalued company that he can't afford. He's going to have to salvage it for parts and would likely lose money in the entire process. In the end he cucks himself. The point of the show is that everyone, literally everyone loses. Not a single character actually wins.

[@mclaugb]

That was his Emmy right there.

[@MichaelEmmanuelArriaga]

After Shiv realized Mattson's numbers in india were fabricated, his desperation to get this deal done fast made all the sense in the world.

[@lethrneck4]

even knowing Roman wasnt gonna win the war...he won this battle..everything he said was true..uncluding the ridiculous ask of having them all fly to norway before Logan was even in the ground..but Mattson is so alpha and cold...none of this hurt him...its how he strives to be

[@luisramirez621]

Don't call a fictional character an "alpha", Jesus. Even less someone as scared and unprepared as Matsson is. The show has clearly stated that he is a hack, like he has no idea what he is doing. Plus, calling someone else an alpha gotta be some beta shit fr

[@Craftedbywaltz]

​@Luis Ramirez you need therapy dude..

[@pooproductions3394]

@@luisramirez621lame response

[@lethrneck4]

@@luisramirez621 dude..I would never ever call you an alpha..I just sense you aren’t even close..Mattson is though..you do seem like an expert on Betas though…haha

[@forestsunset9617]

@@luisramirez621 I'm an alpha and I'm here to tell you cuck boi you suck

[@zodiac9208]

What a great negotiating tactic, he got it to $192 per share!

[@Abounimir]

What a great scene!

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Roman is usually being nice and friendly to his opponent on negotiation but on this scene, he is directly towards Mattson that he hates him and being passive aggresive towards him. That's also the first time we see Roman starts to break out of his shell but he still fails anyway.

[@zizoumonk10]

Mattson was right. In the end Roman f’ed himself and his brother.

[@ericvigil1782]

His hair is like a 🐓 preparing to fight

[@carlblando]

Kieran Culkin Emmy reel.

[@marlamitchell3280]

I had to watch the scene on my small computer monitor to catch Mattson urinating.

[@kyle1137]

When the news of Mattson sexually harassing his employee and giving her his blood comes out, Gojo will fall apart and perhaps the deal. Could see Shiv sneaking her way into Mattson's inner circle, and taking over when he's fired.

[@preddyshite6342]

Shiv is an idiot. Tom is gonna turn her into a stay at home mom. And she'll finally be happy. Bet.

[@gordongekko9742]

Lol?? Why would anyone made a rich girl who have no experience on a company management ceo to a billion dollar company? This isn't game of thrones season 8

[@officialtbhoops]

All for nothing

[@catbear305]

you onow they both had to be standing on boxes to act opposite skarsgard in this scene

[@billybatts8283]

Really worked out well for the brothers.

[@livon7533]

Brilliant scene

[@saiframzan7211]

I don’t think Roman won this scene, great acting tho. But Lukkas won the trip, he was on top of the every move by knowing they were releasing the fake stories and showing the shitty movie as a sign of “this is what you will deal with”. He knew there every move then he turned their sister against them. He offered 196b because he knows that they would have to say yes because the board would have got rid off Roman and Ken for tryna screw the deal. That’s why he asked to see their face ls to shiv because he knew they were cornered in to saying yes and weren’t that ecstatic. These kids aren’t like their dad at all, they have bits of their dad. Roman may be too kind to be Logan. Ken is a try hard and too unstable to be Logan. Shiv may be the most like Logan but is too emotional to be Logan.

[@therealkendallroy]

pretty sure matsson wasa pissed as fuck tho. yeah, he 'won' but at the cost of overpaying massively. and he doesnt even understand what hes buying - as ken said

[@fortnitefilms3931]

He didn’t buy it for 196b. He bought it for $192 per share, which is higher than what Waystar’s stock trades at.

[@HiveMind629]

@@fortnitefilms3931wayyyyyy higher I think their stock is like 130-140 per share

[@stephenbowden9084]

Mattson lost by overplaying his hand. Ken and rome came to norway willing to settle for their original asking price, but mattsons aggressive strategy of claiming waystar was a useless ‘parts shop’ to drive the price down, caused ken to try to torpedo the deal I dont think mattson believed it was a parts shop but it caused ken to think that their stock would lose value in mattsons hands

[@widowswail888]

I would say Roman is the most emotional - as shown in this scene. Shiv is too guarded to be emotional. Shiv nailed it with Pierce and is helping her brothers with Matsson. I’d say Shiv is too greedy because she’s often overlooked and left behind.

[@leftofcenter4]

Truth be told, people want more …much more of this Logan Roy world HBO should produce a show about the early life of Logan Roy: showing Logan in the years when he put Conners mom in a mental facility and when he married 2nd wife and when the kids were very young but there should be flash backs to Logan’s childhood and formidable years with his brother and whatever went down with Logan’s sister sort of like the God father part 2 flashbacks. Showing Logan’s uncle beating him, forming the emotional and psychological framework for Logan’s life and how he became the person we see in succession. There is still so much fans would like to know about Logan Roy and how he came to be. It would be a home run for WBD HBO if it is done correctly and casting the Young Logan Roy correctly.

[@sergeymeshkov]

I would watch the shit of the show about Mattson

[@TC8787-yq7og]

This was the moment they lost - Roman says to Matsson "I'll never tell you what my weaknesses are" and then unloads them in this unhinged rant 2 episodes later. "Not serious people" unfortunately. Matsson had their number from the start and ran rings around them in second gear.

[@laurat9052]

Emmy worthy !

[@ericvigil1782]

Roman fucked up though by telling him that her sister was long gone

[@preddyshite6342]

Roman walked up to him and plopped himself on that rock in front of him while he was urinating.. ME: Leonardo DiCaprio Meme!!!

[@ericvigil1782]

You should see romans hair in these scenes

[@DoroteoVilla]

Stood up and cheered!!!!!!!!

[@waveali5620]

Kind of wanted Rome to smack him. They didn't get what they wanted but in the end they made themselves and everyone else a shitlode more money. Matsson going to realize he way overpaid for Waystar kind of like another Egomaniac Techbro who shall remain nameless. Culkin should submit this for his Emmy consideration.

[@Rory99M]

Everyone is misinterpreting this scene. Roman made a fool of himself. Matsson masterfully and unsympathetically provoked Roman into showing his hand. It was intentional "you just fucked yourself". Matsson got the deal with ATN as he wanted all along. This allowed him to go directly to board. He even looked for pictures of theirs faces in the end to celebrate vindicately.

[@ericvigil1782]

As a business person he did make it. But as a human he did do wrong but since business people and humans are the same idk who ficked who

[@BSBSDerivative]

What hand did Roman show ?

[@ericvigil1782]

@@BSBSDerivative he showed his weakness and he told his sister weakness

[@Rory99M]

@@BSBSDerivative as in he has given himself away, whats your take on it?

[@IwinMahWay]

This wasn't a win for anyone. Mattson also suffered a loss by going so high that they couldn't refuse. Higher than what the bros could ever take. He's like elon musk that gave blue check marks to people that didn't want it and then celebrating

[@jonathancarney1993]

I want a spinoff about these comment sections

[@nickmacker5683]

This is where Roman turned into Logan. Love it.

[@ninajohnson8389]

Disagree .. because part of it was real and heartfelt

[@catsrule1343]

No. This is the complete opposite of what Logan would do. Logan would never get overly emotional at the expense of the success of his business. This is Roman becoming less like Logan because he's actually letting himself feel things and be a human being.

[@officialtbhoops]

None of them are Logan, no matter how hard they try. That’s the theme of the show.

[@bryanl3659]

Why does he said you just fucked yourself ? What was he getting at ? Or am I overthinking it and Roman killing the deal will be overridden by the board

[@miguelgarciacabrera]

It's true, Matsonn killed Logan, he should have been with his sons at the wedding

[@johndoe-ox7ns]

People seem to side with Rom and Kendall here but I’m all Matsson. This is just another scene demonstrating what Logan had been trying to tell his children all along, that they are pretending to be something they’re not. They never had his killer instinct. “You’re playing toy fucking soldiers!” “I love you, but you’re not serious people” K&R think themselves so clever that they can blow up the deal without anyone noticing so that they can run it themselves like children with keys to the kingdom. And their ruse doesn’t last an actual day lol. Matsson immediately calls them on it. Because they’re not subtle, they’re sloppy. And Matsson is the new conqueror Logan wished his children would’ve been.

[@therealkendallroy]

cmon lol matsson is no genius, his company is bloated with inflated subscribers

[@bobbyharris3764]

Nice

[@BelikeMike47]

I wanna play some Scooby Doos

[@aap2310]

Why does mattson want it done so quickly

[@brettsilbaugh2696]

3:20

[@soylire30]

All three of them are heavy weights. The scene was just perfect.

[@HiveMind629]

I have a feeling Kendall wanted this to happen idk why he wanted Roman to go off on him and push the number really high

[@kingston4313]

Is it me or Roman is outgrowing and outpacing Ken?

[@JeroenZM]

Matsson was right though; Kendall & Roman are transparent as hell and can't seem to make up their minds.

[@blucolife]

Does Mattson have any self-respect? You're offering billions of dollars to buy ATN and Worldstar, and these punks treat you like crap, and your response is to offer more money? Is this realistic?

[@acdc2961]

roman the hyena all grown up

[@jcnom6606]

Kendall will sacrifice Roman

[@connorclarke1218]

This is Kieran's year for the Emmy. The first time he's outperformed Kendall. Jeremy Strong is as good as ever but his character is more muted this season and Roman is

[@mmeada3654]

peak ficton

[@preddyshite6342]

This isn't a documentary??!

[@ernestpatterson9180]

*promo sm*

[@sparrow56able]

Huh why is everyone raving about roman here? How is the acting special? People get exctited for nothing lol

[@alanmckenna5608]

Shit take.

[@soylire30]

Kieran has the goods

[@caralayne503]

Fucking Roman, the boy who cant do emotions & feelings. Logan’s only been dead a matter of 2 days & he sure showed them suddenly. He is grieving, he was beyond insulted, he was being loyal, & he finally didn’t have to walk away, & mumble & crack a joke. He did that shit for Logan, suppressing himself. He is growing already. And the ONLY one wanting all 3 to stay equal, & united. He’s the hero & Kieran deserves an emmy every damn episode, wow.