Suella Braverman’s Public Order Bill “incompatible with human rights” | UK politics | New Statesman

[@charliebryce3783]

This is how a country can slide into a fascist state.

[@CG-or1re]

the spectre of the 1930s is real here, in the US and quite a few other western countries

[@CA-ee1et]

@@CG-or1re Oh yes, not letting crusties block the M25 at will really mean the sound of jackboots.

[@billpugh58]

@@CA-ee1et just don’t try and protest about it if this bill passes…………bet you are sure it will never affect you:)

[@Aarenby]

@C A its how its starts

[@stevemitchell1454]

Absolutely. Fascism is where we are heading. These laws are standard Fascist tactics.

[@charliebryce3783]

Both anti-strike and anti-protest bills give ministers the power to define by their own discretion what is and if not within the law.

[@audreymcgready4329]

And they want to come out of the ECHR. We will be serfs any min now. The Government know what is coming from the public any min now.

[@3dagedesign]

Those who remove the means of peaceful change, make non peaceful change inevitable.

[@matt_cummins28]

Thank you, Jodie, thank you, Rachel, this is an excellent piece - whilst quite alarming! - and very welcome. Thanks very much.

[@arandmorgan]

If you remove the ability to have peaceful protest, you open up a dark door of silent organised dangerous rebellion. This may or may not have good intentions, but will always end in a worse situation for everyone even those that feel they are immune.

[@sarangistudent8614]

Are you a human? Then when they talk about removing human rights, they’re talking about your rights too. Don’t think you’re exempt from being considered a human, however little humanity you might have in you.

[@maheribrahim409]

They criticize China, at the same time striving to be like China!!!

[@marygarrapa3537]

This will be the first time in in recent history that British citizens will be wary of walking in certain areas. What a nightmare! How shameful.

[@BrokenHill56]

Love the NS, started reading it back in the 80's, always had great journalism and inquisitive minds. Long my it live. But as for the Tories, want to be analytical about them, but in essence they are a shambles and deeply authoritarian. As as my team would say "Enough Said".

[@statuschange6718]

This is dreadful we’re becoming like Poland, Hungary, or Turkey draconian so far away from the tolerance associated with this country

[@weirdlytrue]

I suggest you read a bit of history. Tolerance isn't a virtue I would ascribe to the British state.

[@seanfaherty]

When didn't that start ? The British government used to oppress the world . Now they have moved to oppressing their own citizens. It's just now that the British people have started noticing.

[@willalm830]

Its why they have to go ASP and this time never let them back

[@OnlySlightyRadioactive]

How are these protests able to bring the entire country to a halt in a way protestors have not been able to before? How? This bill is draconian.

[@edgardebruin5539]

the English should really get the bill off the table this is a massive red flag.

[@col.hertford9855]

You won’t convince them it’s the wrong idea. The bill is written as intended to concentrate power into the ruling interests.

[@praapje]

Protesting on the road has always been an offence, because pedestrians aren´t allowed to walk on the road...unless you have a permit from the mayor. You can protest anywhere you want except as a pedestrian on the road. Use the pavement.

[@nommohunzuu9298]

How does it go? - Look at how a government, or power, treats those in foreign lands, and you’ll see how they’ll oppress the domestic population given the chance. Something like that… Given how the Tories have operated over the decades is it a surprise to witness the roll out of authoritarianism, removal of rights, and a police state?

[@christianecoughlan7392]

The English people will now be subjected to the colonial rules England used in its colonies. Absurd!

[@b62boom1]

Then you'll see what the rest of us have had to put up with.

[@elizabethanderson2968]

What have rat borg Tories got to do with humans or rights?

[@col.hertford9855]

They want to eliminate both?

[@IndustrialBonecraft]

You are not allowed to protest effectively. Ineffective, preferably unseen and unheard, protest is completely fine.

[@philflip1963]

Having a bike lock would not in fact constiture an offense since the Police must prove an intention that it MAY, (NOT MIGHT) be used for, 'locking on'! Of course expecting the Filth to realise the distinction between these two terms or to be above intentionally and maliciously conflating the terms would be naieve!

[@rogergreen2695]

Does the bill define to what protests it refers.? Surely being a bill, emanating from this government, it is vague to the extreme.So, does it also cover protests against the protesters.(recently in USA protesters against protesters were even more harming to the 'people' where several deaths occurred). So there might be a situation where any government minister appearing outside HoC would be infringing the law by reporting (protesting) against protesting.

[@boota1979]

None of this is common law, which is the law of the country.

[@col.hertford9855]

The law is statutory legalisation which are acts of Parliament. The common law element is Judge made law, which is generally based on interpretation of the legalisation and precedent.

[@boota1979]

@@col.hertford9855 The 21st Century expression of democracy in most countries is now a sham. Typically, the political class work for vested interests - primarily transnational globalists that dictate their legislative agenda to lawmakers. We need to transfer sovereignty from elected representatives to the people, and to replace our failed Representative Democracy with a system of genuine democracy - Direct Democracy - that will ensure that those who pay the salaries of politicians and civil servants are accorded the authority to determine their country's future and to impose their democratic will upon politicians - their servants.

[@col.hertford9855]

@@boota1979 no thanks. Direct democracy is idiocy. People don’t have time, and many don’t have the mental capability to review, understand, and make an informed decision on legislation. It’s hard, very hard, to make decent laws. Have you ever even look through any? Do you know what makes a well worded legal text?

[@fretish5425]

Power to the workers

[@dmisso42]

Almost EVERY interviewee starts their answer to a question with "Absolutely". Some are inventive and start with "That's a good question." Doesn't matter if its The NS, BBC, or Australia's ABC. Are they prompted by the Producers?

[@Phil-bc2sd]

Thank god we have Suella she is cracking down on domestic abuse she is an outstanding minister.

[@Gkc842]

Ha ha! This is what GB did in the colonies!

[@deepayne1930]

"you know" "you know" beyond irritating.

[@geralldus]

The powerless and impotent are very keen to see conspiracy and malign intent, demonstrations actually achieve nothing and waste police/public money and resources. The idea that this is some sort of slide into fascism is sentimental rubbish. Having said that, people like the idea of them as it gives the illusion that they have a voice and their views matter.

[@b62boom1]

The road to fascism is lined with people telling those who point it out, to stop exaggerating, and here you are.

[@timkbirchico8542]

what a lot of pretentious twaddle.

[@davidbates3057]

"After the election, Mussolini closed opposition newspapers and banned public protest meetings. He declared all political parties illegal except for his own Fascist Party. He outlawed labor unions and strikes. He also established a political police force, the Organization for Vigilance and Repression of Antifascism. A Fascist Grand Council rubber-stamped Mussolini’s decrees and made parliament irrelevant." - quote from Bill of Rights in Action, Volume 25, No. 4, Summer 2010. On the German side of things: "When the Nazis came to power in 1933, the German constitution guaranteed freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Through decrees and laws, the Nazis abolished these civil rights and destroyed German democracy. Starting in 1934, it was illegal to criticize the Nazi government. Even telling a joke about Hitler was considered treachery. People in Nazi Germany could not say or write whatever they wanted." Note that protests, by definition, are being critical of the government, as the whole purpose is to cause public disturbance to draw attention to government inaction/injustice. So yes, Nazi's within a year of taking power had effectively banned protests. But no geralldus, you're right. History aligns with your own feelings rather than the empirical historical accounts in records.

[@billpugh58]

Yawn……

[@geralldus]

@@davidbates3057 If you are a smart leader you allow protests and encourage opposition groups, particularly if they oppose each other, it gives people the impression that they have a voice. The reason for the government to intervene is when significant economic disruption occurs and what we have now is social disruption which is less of a problem for them. The media is now so preoccupied with perceived scandals and wrong doings it's simply part of the infotainment machine and achieves nothing but distraction. The concern about fascism is appropriate but comes from those seeking to control language use, appearance, gender etc which are areas of social, not economic, concern so of passing interest to those in power/government.

[@kinorspielmann4649]

Save us from the human rights lawyers...