Sunday STUFFandTHINGS | 11/17/2024 | THE END OF SUTLIFF AND MAC BAREN?

[@stradplayer614]

I live on an old tobacco plantation. Next year I am going to grow and see how it goes.

[@Tiredofthinkingforaname]

That's so cool! My momma's side of the fam grew tobacco in northeast NC

[@andreymartin8748]

Thank you for sharing this info brother. I was unaware this was going on.

[@Dencoan]

My last job we went through 3 buyouts. Unfortunately from those experiences I wouldn’t trust any info from stg about what will and will not be axed or changed. It’s all about profit to the shareholders

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

I'm hoping to hear something directly from Sutliff or Mac Baren.

[@Dencoan]

@@stuffandthingsyoutube hopefully they have good news. I just saw three times promises made and each time was like thanos snapped and tons of people got laid off and that was the oil industry which prints money. Just seemed like most all execs from the company being consumed got axed and were kept in dark or under nda to get the golden parachute

[@sierrasam316]

17:07 😂 “eat this bread for it is my body; lick this pyrite, for it is delicious”

[@BlakesPipes]

Always good to see you. Glad all things sound positive 😊

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Cheers!

[@Orochi_001]

I panic bought three pounds each of Old Dark Fired and Rustica ready rubbed. I pray that Maple Shadows goes on.

[@jaydawg0006]

Does anyone remember what STG did to the lane limited’s lineup of blends? Try to buy a lane limited blend in a tin and you will find out. Sad day for Sutliff and McBaren fans 😢

[@SonoraSlinger]

Are you possibly interested in a review of Stokkebye English Oriental supreme? Just my opinion- a critically underated blend. Am curious what you and muttonchop would say about it

[@yusufsayed1583]

Good Evening 😊 Thanks For a Great Video👌🏽 Those Flies Need To Move 😂 Have a Great Day and Cheers 🍻 From South Africa 🇿🇦

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Cheers!

[@secaII]

Thanks for the video and info on MacBaren!

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Any time!

[@markinri1877]

Hey Bradley! Still dealing with them! Lol. The ri is for Rhode Island. 😅😅 If I find a solution to the Ff dilemma I will pass it on!! I guess as long as the other blenders such as C&D endure we can't complain. 👊👍😎

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Ah, Rhode Island makes sense!

[@Gordy-fj1jy]

Sounds like we’ll lose most everything. Maybe some blenders will match whatever we lose. Personally Bradley, I think more people will be buying bulk tobacco and blending themselves. It won’t be as convenient but I think that’s the future.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

I hope not, but we shall see.

[@shifty2327]

sad to hear another player going down , speaking of bulk options i found Arango and c&d's super balkan recently and have to say what took me so long to find these🤔 .. was wondering what foot wear you were sporting in that rough looking terrain ..🧐

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

I think I was just wearing an old pair of Adidas!

[@surfrat8884]

I saw a good review for the new Cringle cake, looking forward to that.

[@gsxr286]

Sounds like stg is the Microsoft of the tobacco world they buy all these big names and shut them down all in the name of it’s what’s best for the customer

[@SonoraSlinger]

They just want to totally rule over the market. They're the "Lord Marshal" from Riddick.

[@corbynborbyn1194]

You can't be mad at interruption like that, how nice 👍

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

I was trying to entice them (the dogs) to come over, but they were too shy.

[@CavalryPiper]

Sutliff #5 is one of my go to blinds. I will be sad to see it go.

[@Dan-G.1979]

I hope STG blends Presbyterian, I love the flavor but the Mac Baron version gives me bite. None of the STG tobaccos bite me.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Good point! I'm kind of the same way with Mac Baren blends.

[@ricardogadelha5003]

I was about to say "wait, isn't that produced by Planta?" then I realized Mac Baren bought Planta. Oh well. Presbyterian was my first non-aromatic smoke and I love it.

[@planexshifter]

Glad I am a C&D man.

[@ricardogadelha5003]

If the portfolio is simplified, hopefully the HH blends remain and the quality doesn't go down. This isn't an easy time to have Old Dark Fired as my second favourite blend ever. They are, I assume, Mac Baren's most popular blends? So hopefully STG will handle them decently.

[@ImJustHereToGrill]

STG is not bringing the equipment over seas so the density/pack of the plug, width of flake, and smoking mechanics will probably change to some degree. HH series may survive but it will likely be different.

[@ricardogadelha5003]

@@ImJustHereToGrill Hopefully it's just the mechanics indeed. All of the flakes I've ever smoked were Mac Baren, (Burley Flake and ODF), but I also tried Escudo's curly cut which is STG produced. I don't know whether people like or dislike STG's flakes, but it seems the Dunhill/Peterson line is still a favourite of many, so hopefully the quality will not change much.

[@celticmagick]

I also hope the HH line survives, some of the best smokes I've experienced.

[@bogbel1]

Think I better stock up on HH old dark fired Kentucky. My favorite blend.

[@celticmagick]

@bogbel1 well, don't buy all of them I still want to try it lol

[@SonoraSlinger]

As soon as I caught wind of this I bought bulk of bulks. Hopefully it wasn't as necessary as it looked.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Fingers crossed!

[@Oklahomapiper]

It doesn’t make any sense at all, no matter which way you look at, to buy a company for millions of dollars just to shut it down. I can’t imagine they won’t keep at least the best selling blends around.

[@Kenjiro5775]

Companies buy other companies quite often just to kill competition when possible. Think of any sector and you will see a trend of fewer brands offering the same products over time. There is another reason for buyouts like this, the buyer may want a few key components from the purchase, but will scuttle the remaining ones to maximize revenue and minimize cost. A minimum margin threshold can be one factor that determines what gets axed.

[@ImJustHereToGrill]

They could have bought it just to kill a major competitor. It allows the opportunity to raise prices more easily or eliminate blends that compete with their own existing blends if they want to. Stokebte, Gawith, and C&D are the only true major “artisan” blenders left. Most of the other guys buy tobacco from the main guys or are contracted out work from the main guys. They wouldn’t stay in business without them.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

One would hope, but I don't have a ton of confidence.

[@TheHammerofDissidence]

THEY BETTER NOT TOUCH MY OLD DARK FIRED!

[@drregmonster4371]

Leffe beer seems to attract these flies. Have a drink, and leave some in the glass. They will fly in and drown.

[@mtate02]

Hi Bradley, thanks for another great upload! 👍 Do you ever use Form-A-Drain for your footings?

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

We never have! Can't say I've ever really seen anyone use them around here.

[@TXCrafts1]

Sad year, it's rumored Stanwell closed their doors too but I'm still trying to find some information

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

I've heard rumors as well. :-(

[@ricardogadelha5003]

Oh, no! Stanwell is a great budget pipe. I have three of them and they're all great. :(

[@Hallonbot]

Stanwell haven't had their own pipe production for years, the owners STG (again) shut down the Danish factory and moved production to Italy in 2009. It's the same as with say Rattray's pipes. It's just a trademark that is kept around due to its good reputation but is produced by another company (though Rattray's is perhaps a poor example, as they never did their own pipes).

[@ricardogadelha5003]

@@Hallonbot Yeah, all of my Stanwells are the Italian produced ones, but they are still quite good for the price, IMHO.

[@michaeldickson9848]

St Bruno?!?

[@richnewman]

STG is only closing one production facility. All the best McB/Sutliff will still be around. Where we may see some issues is with places like Peretti’s and Boswell’s that source tobacco from Sutliff.

[@johns280]

Maybe it will be like the microbrewery thing that happened with beer. American ingenuity will kick in.

[@hollyjollydog]

To many Federal laws and bans ,10 years in jail if you get caught mailing tobacco

[@johns280]

@ ?? I noticed Massachusetts doesn’t allow it within the State, but I ordered some from two Massachusetts tobacco establishments and they mailed it (or UPS) to me in my State.

[@Nighttrainpiper]

The house plant ones are fungus gnats. They are reincarnated people who had very awful karma. :)

[@michaelcase8574]

Time flies like a bird, fruit flies like bananas!

[@malkrossthemad9727]

As long as STG doesn't get rid of the HH series, I'll be fine. Then again, I've still got 2lbs of bold Kentucky laying around. I feel bad for all you SPC enjoyers and aromatic smokers, though.

[@HeavyLeadBelly]

If Sutliff gets shuttered you can forget about not only SPC, but so many others like WCC, KBV, Country Squire, etc etc. Plus the loss of all the recreated blends of other extinct blends will be lost too. No good can come of this.

[@malkrossthemad9727]

@HeavyLeadBelly Oh snap. I didn't think it went THAT far. If it's as you say, then this is terrible! Surely it's not like all those blends would just vanish. I'll stock up on my favorite KBV blends just in case. Never had any WCC or Country squire, as they don't ship to Japan.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

LOTS of blends that it would be sad to lose.

[@HeavyLeadBelly]

@@malkrossthemad9727 That's too bad you haven't tried either. Both make excellent blends.

[@malkrossthemad9727]

@@HeavyLeadBellySad, but inevitable. Not many folks deliver all the way out here to the far east. Plus, I live in a tiny Japanese farming Town. Closest B&M is an hour drive away. My business goes almost exclusively to KBV or Smoking Pipes.

[@mjmoody2k]

I hope the fruit flies found a more hospitable home without a hostile roommate.

[@Piper_Andy]

Question, what would be the point of buying those brands if the plan is to just discontinue their T lines? Wouldn't their blends be a huge part of the value of the sale?

[@michaelcase8574]

I don't think hey will get back to you, because they aren't really sure how things will shake out themselves. Only time will tell!

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Yeah, I've heard a "nothing further to say until the first of the year" from Sutliff.

[@joe.b.]

They don't get back with him because he's a nobody in the tobacco world. Next!

[@michaelcase8574]

@joe.b. That too.

[@DominicRytsar]

I have to say I do not like this new spot!

[@LedgerAndLace]

One of my sister's biology colleagues complained that his shipment of fruit flies was late. She said, "I can bring in some bananas" and he rolled his eyes and said, "Those are WILD fruit flies! I need domesticated." Who knew?

[@AllofJudea]

What are you talking about?

[@LedgerAndLace]

@@AllofJudea Fruit flies?

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Haha! I've heard some scientists say that the reliance on animals bred for experimentation (mice, fruit flies) has caused skewed results, as these populations of animals have been altered through generations of scientific use.

[@LedgerAndLace]

@@stuffandthingsyoutube I've heard that, too! I think it was from Heather Heying & Bret Weinstein on one of their Darkhorse podcasts.

[@kawarus]

Sounds like a money grab as usual

[@buffalobill9048]

So what are some of the big blends we could be losing? I keep hearing Old Dark Fire? What else? Did you say SPC blends, also? Trying figure out how bad this is. All Mac Baren blends? I can not see Mac Baren checking out. Those blends are too good of sellers. Maybe Peterson will buy up and continue some blends like they did with the Dunhill blends. Thxs for sharing. - Thxs