Super Smash Bros. Ultimate | Cloud Analysis + Intro Guide

[@JoeKSmashBros]

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[@mustafanawab1719]

how is his recovery bad? he can jump pretty high and his up b goes pretty high.

[@foxx6876]

@@mustafanawab1719 for real. You can also add spirits to help

[@Cloudkev_]

As a Cloud main, I think the nerfs are necessary so he could be more honest and fair. I’m still maining him.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Thats nice to see from a Cloud main. He seems pretty fair now though so you should be fine.

[@StriderZessei]

As a Cloud main I agree EXCEPT for the time limit on his Limit charge. His recovery is still among the worst in the game without it, and that worries me.

[@StriderZessei]

@@JoeKSmashBros Can I just say: would you please consider using other terminology than 'he seems fair now' as though he wasn't before? He was good for sure, but implying he wasn't fair is just misinformation. (Like saying Cloud could just pogo hop at the 4:00 mark; that took practice to space and learn the timing of!) Cloud mains have had incredibly few Singles tournament wins (Cloud never even appeared in EVO 2018's Top 32) and most people think that, while he did need a little bit of tuning, making him out to be some sort of game-breaking monster is just inaccurate. I'm grateful some of his better aerials were tweaked, just so I can stop getting flamed by every single person who dislikes the matchup, but it's not like he was Bayonetta.

[@Cloudkev_]

Strider Zessei True, true. Ultimate rewards edge guarding and Cloud is going to struggle more than before offstage without limit because his recovery is still bad and characters like Marth that are good at edge guarding can simply do against non-limit Cloud. I can see Cloud be sent far offstage with limit, but the 15 seconds are up and loses limit and he’s unable to get back on stage and loses a stock. That’s scary.

[@FantasticFlicks]

I'm so hyped to main him as I didnt buy him or bayo as dlc, and he finnaly is nerfed!

[@ReaLoader1]

If you REALLY like FF7, you main him on Ultimate too

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Real homie here ^

[@MineNAdventurer]

I really love Xenoblade and FF7 so I'mma main Shulk and Cloud

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I wish there rex some Xenoblade 2 reps tho

[@MineNAdventurer]

...Was that a pun.

[@milanmalfait9914]

I liked FF7, but I'm a hardcore Castlevania. I'm gonna main Simon/Richter with pocket Ganondorf and Cloud.

[@kevinrivera9917]

Cloud is gonna be super hype. I love when characters that are OP get nerfed in a tasteful way that they are still very strong but the nerfs are implemented in a way that it makes the character more fun to play as and against. I call it smart nerfing

[@JoeKSmashBros]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKSmaZyladxkqbs reminds me of this video. This is similar to the Ryu Shurioken change in SFV and it was a smart one.

[@vyseskies]

I see your point. In smash 4 when Sheik was nerfed, pretty much almost everyone dropped her, except Mr.R and Void, and after a while they still could keep her as a top tier character, in just a different approach.

[@StriderZessei]

I've always argued that he wasn't as strong as the community made him out to be (sure, top ten but not #2 overall.) And I'm not happy with the change to his Limit lasting only 15 seconds (unless his recovery gets buffed,) but the other changes seem okay. (I also hate the range on nair was nerfed, but that's just the logistical side of me more than anything. It makes sense from a balance perspective.)

[@kevinrivera9917]

@@JoeKSmashBros thats actually exactly what i had in mind

[@JPeoplzOIII]

It's called smerfing. Smerf smerf

[@pastarhythm2762]

Honestly, I'm so, *so* pumped for Cloud in Ultimate. Cloud's changes make it so that he rewards aggression on the opponent and punishes the play that made him not fun to fight in Smash 4. I'm so glad that people will finally be able to play characters like Cloud and Bayonetta without getting immense amounts of hate! One of my biggest hopes for Ultimate is that whatever character(s) end up being the strongest, they won't be so strong that they breed the same negativity seen in Smash 4.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Yea I also hope that there isn't any GOD of Smash Ultimate (and if there is one that they get nerfed before patches stop coming out :P). Of course there will be a best character but im more a Shiek patch kinda guy rather than a Bayonetta one.

[@okitasoujialter]

Oh trust me, bayonetta will still get a ton of hate 😁

[@christopherherr7561]

I'm glad he's not broken, so now people won't complain when I pick my favorite character.

[@SevenOfSevens]

I've mained Cloud since he was released because he is my favorite character in my favorite game. Now I somewhat know how to play him thanks to this video.

[@solokyou3932]

My only worry is that the timer is going to encourage camping from the opponent since there is pretty much no benefit from approaching a blue cloud. I also want me some more finishing touch so thats all I'm sad about. Also cloud will never be truly buffed until they add more FF music

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Thats true... Makes Cloud more offensive but his opponent more defensive. Still, I dont think thats a terrible thing seeing as Cloud will probably be playing campy at almost all other times like in smash 4 waiting for his limit.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Also more FF music plz

[@StriderZessei]

Also, Ultimate is better balanced to reward aggression. People love to crap on Cloud mains for playing defensively, but that was partly the fault of Smash 4's engine and how good the defensive options are in that game (as well as Cloud's reliance on limit to not have the 3rd worst recovery in the game.)

[@zachywatcher2312]

he can run to down tilt dude. Let me just say that it doesn't look bad

[@JoeKSmashBros]

That honestly does look a little broken... but shh

[@RandalXVI]

Idk if i would say its broken but its still a good option. It only hits once and is pretty slow so it can be easily blocked and sheild grabbed

[@zachywatcher2312]

@@RandalXVI Yeah, I just figured that you can't pass through shields in this game. As you said: still looks good

[@ian6329]

Well, when i think about it, As soon as I heard Cloud was coming to Ultimate, I basically dropped whatever hopes i had fro newcomers and went straight to maining him. Like boi, idc about snake coming back, i want to floor people in AC garb.

[@soulthesassyassassin3616]

Ian back when I saw the roster trailer for smash ultimate and saw that Cloud was returning, I legit squealed like a pig. Keep in mind he was literally the second to last character to be revealed before the “Everyone is here!” Message, and if there was anyone I was expecting to be cut from the roster, It was Cloud.

[@matthewriddle2698]

Cloud is definitely one of my mains. I saw him on the list and knew instantly I wanted to play as him as one of my mains.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

He is pretty sick, and seems very good in Ultimate.

[@Euruk1]

Im having fun with him. As you say in the video his recovery is bad so I find the most success being aggressive.

[@cloudtg462]

Even if Cloud was absolute shit I would still main him because he's my favorite video game character from my favorite game

[@JoeKSmashBros]

The hero we need

[@r0h4n56]

Tbh I mained cloud in ssb4 cuz he had a big thicc sword

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Now u got Ike

[@thogameskanaal]

A couple of friends and I went to an event to play SSBU not too long ago. They criticized me for picking Cloud, but I immediately noticed how he was nerfed. I actually still enjoy playing as Cloud and now I don't have to feel guilty maining him. The FFVII fanboy in me can finally play Smash for realz!

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Good times!

[@runawayguy7520]

I love his side special and to annoy my friends by jumping around and avoiding anything they throw at me.

[@obamaorb7426]

I was an Ike main in ultimate, but now that cloud has been nerfed he seems a lot more fun to play. Now I have a new main!

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Both are pretty great.

[@daltonknight9792]

Predicted future vids: Lucario, Simon and richter -BigD

[@daltonknight9792]

I was close

[@shiro5157]

Great videp as always! Cloud being one of my mains in smash 4, I'm really excited to try him out in ultimate. #SheikWYSM

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Got it. Shiek was pretty high in my list but ill bump her a spot :P

[@Kaze91]

I actually mained cloud since his release and bought the game to play him and shulk. Ironically i already played him aggressively and rarely would sit back and charge limit unless the opponent refused to fight me and camped. So pretty much every single way i played including aggressive edgeguards and trying to go in with limit and fight with it and trying to get unique bnbs etc is how they forced him to be. Overall still gonna main him but i will lose my perfect pivot play which sucks but shield will not stop him as hard in this game. Isaac or sora/riku or lloyd might cause him to fall to secondary but as of now these nerfs will not stop me from maining him in ultimate. The salt was immense the entire time so itll be cool to not be hated wherever i go but it hardly matters. Ive played the ff series since i was a little kid and beat ff7 many times, so it was always a series loyalty thing not tier.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Thats great to hear. I also love playing Shulk / Cloud (not as my mains, but as off characters). As well Id always go aggro and even though its not the best idea... its a ton of fun lol.

[@Kaze91]

@@JoeKSmashBros thats the reason everyone thinks cloud is boring. If you dont play aggro its not even fun. It did make getting results way harder then it would have been though. But for ultimate it's literally the only way to play him. And shielding is nerfed. So that playstyle may actually work decently now.

[@RandalXVI]

@@Kaze91 also according to top players, you finally get rewarded for spacing properly so this is a great way for melee players to get in the game since we love spacing aerials on sheild

[@soulthesassyassassin3616]

Genesis Fury same, back when I used to main Cloud, I was always aggressive af. Never really charged limit and mostly used the limit for recovery and as a last resort.

[@justinbtdbattles6284]

Woo! My main :D

[@VeeTuTonic]

First time Smash Bros. player and Cloud is definitely who I feel best with. Like his combinations but I probably don't use his limit break as much as I should.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Just use it if your enemy is camping you or if you want to force them to go in.

[@ItsJustTro]

Where my fellow Cloud mains at?

[@acemarvel1564]

Good thing I’m already there

[@Killerblade105]

Still wishing for Sephiroth to make an entry tho

[@JoeKSmashBros]

same

[@Tetsu9701]

@@JoeKSmashBros I would be utterly conflicted on who the main.

[@ethancash8912]

The epic fights that would happen at tournaments omg

[@DaysforDaays]

This hits...

[@V-Jes]

@@ethancash8912 As good as that would be to see, his sword length would most likely just be too long for a 2d fighting game that he might as well be using a gun.

[@AC-fl1le]

Yeah mah boi Cloud

[@TheRandomGoofball]

#CaptainFalcon Why you should main

[@Rafa-RaF4]

Cloud is my third main, next ryu and Mario. He’s very fun to use. I recommended playing as him in ultimate.

[@EnigmaEnginseer]

The game mechanics benefit me. I have a rush down in your face style that was easily beat out by the run away shield style of Sm4sh. I'm actually considering going competitive now

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Seems like a good game for you. I am 100% the same way, so im considering trying hard in this game.

[@judius1368]

I dream of a world where I can main Cloud, without being called the biggest weeb in the room

[@lordtallon5610]

I've been looking for this.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Glad I could help!

[@lordtallon5610]

OH NY GOSH HE REPLIED JSHDFFVDUV you're a cool guy.

[@renvalenramirez6930]

That box at the bottom fits the perfectly 😯

[@JoeKSmashBros]

wat box

[@Nintenguy0]

It'd be really hard to do, but I would love a why you should main on Wolf. Sadly we have little to no info on him thus far compared to other characters but he's the character I plan on picking up the most so if you could ever do an analysis on him I'd love it :)

[@JoeKSmashBros]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6LbiZWwjJmieMU Here is a small analysis I made on him based off what we know (dont worry a WYSM should be coming soon after the games release as im hyped to play him as well). Anyways, Wolf is one of my top 4 potential mains. As you could guess I have HORRIBLE problems choosing a main but so far im thinking between Ryu/Ken(if he makes it), Snake, Wolf, and Shulk [with maybe a secondary Pichu or ZSS]. So many characters look fun but I need some help my guy lol.

[@hectorlopez1120]

Only wish one thing as a cloud main. To have a better recovery. Maybe increase it by .3x thats it, but having the up b reach like chrom is to much. All i ask is just a bit more range

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Yea kinda hard to recovery now that you cant just keep limit all the time.

[@Mr_Wiley]

You gotta learn to look at camera and read. Constructive criticism, not trying to bring you down.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I keep having a problem with this. I cant find a good way to position myself and what im trying to memorize / read. Will keep working on it and sorry for the annoyance...

[@Mr_Wiley]

ProJoe No worries. There are some tutorials on it on KZbin. Best of luck

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I also have a problem where the thing holding my camera is terrible and im too poor to buy another one right now. Give me a little while though and youll see some improvement there :P

[@Mr_Wiley]

ProJoe Duct tape and some clever monkeying around! Don’t let money hold you back

[@BigCowProductions]

#DuckHunt He is so fun and troll-y. He may be "bottom tier" but I kick ass with him. I also like Main-ing Cloud since you can get his limit charge going, scare people, and use it as a dodge and punish with his neutral or side special

[@marienamiah2497]

This was a really well made video!

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Thanks a lot :D. I hope to keep upping the quality as time goes on.

[@marienamiah2497]

I subbed! I’m surprised you have so few subscribers, I’m looking forward to seeing your channel grow :)

[@STHFan1992]

I understand why Steve Burton didn't voice Cloud in the Super Smash Bros. series, but I don't understand why the staff didn't try to find another English voice actor, who would be good for Cloud and would choose to be uncredited for their roles. They did it with Lyn in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and it's literally the first game where she is heard speaking (although Marth & Roy didn't have English voices in those games until Smash Ultimate), they even did it with Zelda in the World of Light cutscene and she doesn't usually speak in the Super Smash Bros. series.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Yea it was really weird to see

[@STHFan1992]

Also, he's my main.

[@reflion3688]

Steve Burton's contract with Square makes it so only he can voice Cloud Strife.

[@STHFan1992]

@@reflion3688 But how do you know that?

[@reflion3688]

@@STHFan1992 Cloud is the third character to be voiced in Japanese in all regions, following Marth and Roy. This may be due to Steve Burton (Cloud's English voice actor) being a union-based worker, which only allows him to voice Cloud in credited works (which would not be possible due to Smash 4 being a non-union project), and the terms of his contract prevented him from being uncredited but able to voice his character, which is the path Antony Del Rio (voice of Pit and Dark Pit) took. This was took from Smashpedia

[@aeroblu2002]

It's taken me about 20 retries to unlock Cloud, and here I am seeing people say that K. Rool is OP when I unlocked him on my first try.

[@MatronMugrai]

K. Rool is a joke... Cloud was my last unlock (not in adventure mind you)... He was an insultingly tough fight... I main Cloud and no one else

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Some of these characters were insane to beat.

[@rinFelstar99]

earned a new sub. great video

[@JoeKSmashBros]

ty

[@Expertwolf-wj1mt]

Im a fan of final fantasy 7 so I got this game and I’m trying to get him in spirit

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I like that game a good amount.

[@wesleyem3]

#WhyYouShouldMainShulk! I'd love to see you go into detail about my future main!

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I have an analysis of him up on my channel but ill get to a full wysm soon! Im very interested in him for teams.

[@bobbyduenckel4762]

Look how they massacred my boy

[@thatfella8256]

Now that this game is so close to release videos like these makes me REALLY want to play ultimate. Also i really want to main cloud in 4 but i picked it up after ultimate was anounced and i didn't get any of the dlc for it so the only way i can play cloud is through ultimate, and fuck me is it hard. Also now my wii u fucking broke, nine days before ultimate came out. End my life right now

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Making these videos is the only thing not making me crazy waiting for Ultimate :lol

[@ThePettiestLA]

@@JoeKSmashBros Your inkling video has me in shambles i thought i would main snake like i did in brawl or k rool but not lost in the sauce

[@blakeknightvos7867]

ProJoe I've been maining Cloud since then it's nice to see someone looking for the good in cloud compared to the majority who complain and shame the character and the players. Before his release smash 4 was my first smash game and has someone who hasn't grown up with nitendo it was quite hard finding a main. So I played little mac cuz I played punch out growing up the problem my friends had with Mac was his super armor anytime I got a kill they would never give credit for that kill but if it was a kill with a forward smash it was like oh u won because of super armor. And for awhile I mained mac shulk captain falcon and lucina. But the day Cloud was announced I was genuinely happy for the character to be in the game. I'm such a FF fan boy and then I had a friend who mained bayo cuz he loved the the bayonetta series. So at release bayo was a problem for a time. And the friend got hate for maining the character then she was nerfed it died down a little but for me the hate grew cloud was a newly released character with a mechanic like no other and since I loved the character I felt like I grew with him from playing matches however (not to sound shallow) as I got better it honestly felt like I received a lot of hate for playing this. I was told you have no skill at this game oh you mained mac it seems you rely on come back mechanics. And in group fights I would be booted out for playing the character over just like everyone with their mains. I could continue but anyways I'm subscribing and thank you for the ray of hope for future cloud mains.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Someones gotta give Cloud a good light :D. (and thanks for the story, was nice to hear I could be a positive take on this character that everyone seems to hate)

[@ian6329]

I'm not sure as to why others would hate him, aside from how OP he was..Was it because he got in and not some Z-list character like Geno? Or is it /v/-tier contrarianism?

[@soulthesassyassassin3616]

Sorablaze 67 Clouds inclusion in smash is how I discovered Final Fantasy and the more “Serious” side of smash bros...

[@GiggaGMikeE]

I didn't main my favorite JRPG character before because he felt too OP. That spikey headed jerk seems like he might be my main now for Ultimate. Him and either Ganondorf, Rob, or K.Rool

[@IamNster]

"No good get off me move" ITS CALLED NAIR

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I Nair-ily got out of this one alive! Yea you are right to an extent, still slower than like Fox nair but its something. Sorry!

[@soulthesassyassassin3616]

Not even nair can save you from the likes of sheik and fox, trust me.

[@aintfalco7968]

I'm hoping the DLC characters are tasteful and balanced this time around.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I hope so two, but am not holding my breath.

[@Night.League]

I think the limit break has to raise when you get hit and ehen cloud is 100% he can do a super strong smash move.. makes sense

[@BoxCarBoy12]

He's nerfed, but still good enough to be my 3rd-4th best character.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

He is still VERY good. If you want to main him, I support it.

[@Saiban0]

Upon release of ultimate, he is still OP as hell lol surprise surprise

[@JoeKSmashBros]

rip

[@roserurouni1789]

I don't want my friends to hate me.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

He shouldnt be that hated in Ultimate... hopefully lol

[@KarateGirl999]

Remember my friend...if your friends hate you for playing a character, that's their problem and certainly not yours. If you wanna pick him up, by all means, pick him up with confidence and don't let anyone control you :)

[@EnigmaEnginseer]

I'm still keeping him as a main, he'll do good in Mario's bad match ups

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I would agree with that.

[@ethancash8912]

I just unlocked cloud in adventure mode him with a spirit that has 12000 rating and a support legendary that heals him every 5 seconds is BROKE AS HELL

[@macctay5183]

All the things you mentioned that he doesn't smash 4 he still does smash ultimate. I never played smash 4 because I didn't have a Wii U but if cloud if cloud was stronger in that game I'm glad I didnt play it. Cloud is OP as hell in smash ultimate when played a certain way. He literally has no weaknesses other than his recovery with his up B. His sword wave is cheap and and deflects most projectilesAnd he doesn't even have to to down B to charge limit he just has to attack. That's like Samus gaining charge without having to stand still and cloud can down b to charge it even faster . He's the hardest for me to beat personally

[@zirkq]

Honestly, he's more fun than in Smash 4.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

yikes

[@jondowe5252]

The Cloud hate in Smash 4 was real

[@vyseskies]

Finishing Touch got buffed. It starts out at frame 13 on the demo. And that's huge.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Wow I honestly didnt hear about that... Thanks for the update!

[@johnb2289]

thoughts now that the games out? he seems extremely op

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I feels good but I like marth more

[@kylekopac5685]

@@JoeKSmashBros if you dont mind me asking why do you prefer marth? I haven't played smash since brawl and just got into ultimate. Like you said cloud feels good so I will probably main him however, where would you place him in a list of other sword users?

[@dinosaint9878]

I hate playing my friend because he uses cloud and he can just fully charge Limit after KO'ing me and then doing it again. All of my friends hate on me for using Bayonetta but no one complained about Cloud's limit😡. Im glad he's different now. Maybe I actually can have fun fighting him.

[@JonBrown99]

I love cloud so I hope he gets perfectly balanced in this game so I can main him without feeling cheap.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

You know whats up

[@Saiban0]

@@JoeKSmashBros sorry to disappoint you but I'm sure you already found out lol

[@superxd6497]

im an incineroar main and i came here to find out WHY THE HECK IS THIS THE MOST PLAYED CHARACTER. Personally i havent EVER played cloud and i got the game in april 2019

[@AkiraYanky]

I played cloud in ultimate and he feels really lackluster his range is almost non-existent and his recovery feels a lot worse but that's just me I guess

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Yea he is kinda just worse Cloud and maybe now worse Ike. We will need to see tho.

[@LunaVictoria9]

I was at a gaming con here in norway. Pretty much only played cloud and fox, who are my mains in 4. Cloud felt worse yes, but the lack of landing lag makes him scary fast on the ground and is even safer now. With the combination of nerfed shield and buffed landing lag. Uair felt the exact same minus the rising hitbox ofc, but it still auto cancles easily and you can still shark with it till the end of time. His nair was sad tho....

[@AkiraYanky]

Orchard Fox his nair doesn't exist

[@JoeKSmashBros]

*nair cries*

[@Itzsfo0]

ill stick with shulk

[@theOneThatWas]

His limit gives him good recovery.

[@Night.League]

Limit should raise when cloud gets hurt

[@christianramirez3860]

#Sonic Why you should main.

[@acasualgamer2809]

I Main Snake But Cloud Looking Good Too

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Snake is very strong looking, Cloud too tho

[@nathanbeavin8275]

Wish it was squall his gun blade would be bad ass

[@JoeKSmashBros]

That would be very cool... Sakurai get on this!

[@KhalifaxALNeyadi]

If cloud loses his limit then give him ledge grab to balance him out.

[@Lonewolf83848]

Gonna be my main for sure...as soon as I unlock him. Ultimate will be my first Smash

[@ragingwolf76]

I want that desktop wallpaper

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Its mine >_> :p

[@leoaltivez7161]

Why doesnt Cloud has his KH costume? KH for the GBA is his only Nintendo appearance I know so far xD

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Idk but that would be very cool.

[@TheNightOwl11683]

Cloud is so OP in Adventure Mode. I can literally KO opponents in one or two moves, & this is post update. So far, Cloud, Ken, & Link are my mains.

[@pandorithepanda2302]

Kool

[@JoeKSmashBros]

K Rool?

[@lordkira9791]

Shulk!

[@JoeKSmashBros]

He looks fun so Ill try to do one soon lol

[@AcronymARES]

Can we just take a minute to acknowledge how far we've come to play and fight as Cloud Strife, Sonic the Hedgehog, Solid Snake, Bayonetta, Simon and Richter Belmont, Mega Man, Ryu, and Ken.

[@soulthesassyassassin3616]

A-R-E-S in the same game no less

[@Soup-man]

And now Joker

[@Dan_D380]

I don't play online. At all. That being said, 10 minutes with him and I knew he was my main. Love Cloud lol

[@zachywatcher2312]

I can also confirm 100% that zard's colorchanges in ultimate are in the same order than in smash 4: red: regular zard leaf: red zard gold: green zard emerald: pink zard platinum: yellow zard white: white zard xavier (pkmn x): blue zard moon: purple zard It was painfull, but the second I got emerald gold and platinum gameplay, I got the 100% guarantee

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Thats an interesting fact. No idea why its on a Cloud video but thanks anyways lul.

[@daltonknight9792]

youre a big fig

[@zachywatcher2312]

It was your most recent video at the time

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Ah I see. Thanks for the info! (Im super hyped for platinum skins and as well pokemon black skins!)

[@zachywatcher2312]

Same, I did all of this research because I wanted to know what color of zard would be tied to platinum and witch color I'll train with in smash 4

[@Plee92]

Because of his hit box damage and brokenness.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

^

[@Crowes]

You should put notes to speak about in a spot that makes it look like you're looking at the camera instead of up and to nowhere

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Thanks for the criticism. I've been working on this a lot, so tell me if its still happening in the newest videos!

[@Daymon877]

Pokemon Trainer

[@JoeKSmashBros]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmO8Xp2ZjL-naZo Already got you covered!

[@codystoring4002]

Cloud is goat

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Cloud is Thor

[@codystoring4002]

JoeK I love theme both so I mean why not but final fantasy seven is my favorite game and cloud is the best character in smash

[@fireball-dk2gp]

I loved Cloud in Smash 4, but I gotta admit that he was definitely too overpowered, so it's good that he got nerfed.

[@ImGede24]

1:33 That better be a joke.. Bad nair His limit moves are weak Timer on limit (less than joker persona!!) Bad recovery A bad Down air (too much landing/end lag and it auto cancles) His limit isn’t rewarding for charging it A really bad Down smash Thats all :)

[@GodFallYT]

Cloud pretty good

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Pretty good or really good?

[@GodFallYT]

Pretty good

[@MrZayJames]

Breaking limits for only 15 seconds? Cloud literally has ultra instinct. Also if you can properly space out and if you can pay close attention to what your opponent wants to do you can punish them big time trust me.

[@corncob5198]

This video could’ve easily been summed up in a few words. “You should main cloud because you get ridiculous amount of respect and it takes little to no skill to use him. k bye.”

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Most people think that Cloud is easy tho and don't respect him. Rip

[@93BossRoss]

I refused to play Cloud competitively in Smash 4, because I hated how insultingly easy he was to play. None of my wins ever felt legitimate. But now that he is nerfed I can play him and not feel lame for just picking the best character.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I feel lots of Clouds will feel this now, and thats a good thing in my opinion. Finally being able to play your fav character is nice.

[@93BossRoss]

@@JoeKSmashBros Hell yeah! I'm so excited for how balanced this game seems to be. Of course though, its early, so who really knows yet. I'm having such a hard time narrowing down who I think I would want to focus on. I'm hoping that the Squad strike becomes a staple in the tournaments, cause it seems like every character has a weakness against another, so I feel like that would make the game very versatile. What do you think about the squad strike mode?

[@-8h-]

2nd best character**

[@StriderZessei]

@@-8h- not even. People love to crap on him, but Bayo, Shiek, Mario, Rosa, etc., all have much more success in tournaments than Cloud. Not saying he's bad, just overrated by a lot of people who just don't like him.

[@Saiban0]

There is your problem... you want to play smash competitively. Good luck with that Haha dont even reference or argue cause opinions are too OP.

[@thomaskrouse8979]

Why you should main corrin!

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Here is an analysis video of him/her on this playlist! : kzbin.info/aero/PLTG7cHmThnlmJmgaBhS0PIJhpHH1Eqoan

[@tinsagea6733]

1:00 Ur notes are on to of the camera u keep looking above the camera

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Im trying to fix this, thanks!

[@jacovo974]

Ok, next week Baybee! #mewtwowysm

[@JoeKSmashBros]

^

[@sabertooth160]

HELLLL NAW! IM MAINING KEN OR SAMMY

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Yo who is Sammy tho lol

[@sabertooth160]

@@JoeKSmashBros samus! I know she'll be kind of sad to play compared to the rest of the cast with everyone's awesome changes, but I've been playing SSB since smash 64! I also love street fighter. So I might pick up ken too, seeing as he is a echo of ryu who I already like playing alot!

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Ah nice! Looks fun

[@KarateGirl999]

Main whoever you want! :)

[@korpsmaninfantry7238]

+Samus Aran hey IM GONNA FUCKING STEAL YOUR FUCKING WIN LIKE I STOLE WALUIGIS INVITE

[@shrimppimp4509]

I have these characters I really hate fighting in this game Every fire emblem clone Cloud and link mostly young link and IKE

[@ethanwalli9816]

Can you make a why you should main corrin.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I have an analysis of Corrin up on my channel. I dont think there is tooo much more to talk about for that character, so check it out!

[@Amedi29]

Thanks for Ruining my Main!

[@JoeKSmashBros]

sry

[@Phillmatic14]

Sorry to say this, but please do one for Sonic.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I have a sonic one planned within the next month, so get ready for that!

[@fabrimuch]

I've actually never played any Final Fantasy games but I enjoy playing Cloud in Smash 4 because I've always liked characters that rely on charging a super powerful move to unleash later. (And maybe also because he was OP and easy to play but shhh) Speaking of charging powerful moves to unleash later, #MewtwoWYSM !

[@JoeKSmashBros]

Lets just say your Mewtwo vote will be answered soon >:)

[@angryarmenian8157]

I wish they had Squall instead. Who agrees?

[@JoeKSmashBros]

same tho

[@renutus1580]

Why you should main snake anyone? Boss deserves respect

[@Euruk1]

Renutus 15 Its supposed to be Solid not BB.

[@parkercordova8881]

Yo, ProJoe. Do a video on the BIG boy.

[@JoeKSmashBros]

What BIG Boi. Ridley, Bowser, or the biggest boy of them all... Shield Monado Shulk!

[@parkercordova8881]

The Cunning God Of Death...Ridley!

[@JoeKSmashBros]

ah aight I got that down!

[@parkercordova8881]

Thanks, my guy.

[@serog4839]

"dair can't auto-cancel all the time quit that easily" u mean it doesn't work anymore...(pls show me without a big double jump if i'm wrong) all the changes are good in my opinion only the Dair is too hard nerfed. most chars have good auto-cancels in ultimate why they take it from cloud

[@JoeKSmashBros]

I think they took it from cloud because everyone was complaining.