New Super Best Friendcast Live!: "Only cowards make sequels"

[@brainflash1]

Matt: Two brothers that accidentally kill a cop... Woolie: YYYYYYeeeeeessssss!

[@JeffMustDie]

Race war when?

[@RanMouri82]

@@JeffMustDie After David Cage's android war.

[@ScorpioTheScorpion1503]

410 BILLION DEAD COPS.

[@Xwartu]

DigitalJeff51 In three hours, gear up

[@DJGamingSmash]

You can watch that on KZbin right now.

[@Suzakuux]

Woolie wanting less sequels.. *DMC5 wallpaper at the top of the screen and he's also super hyped for it* lol

[@zeterzero4356]

Yeah, but he would be happy with all new characters and stories so long as the spirit was the same.

[@johngaete2413]

is DMC4 really a sequel?

[@CharlieFortuneCookie]

I mean, he loves Nero so much and that’s basically the thing he’s talking about

[@Suzakuux]

@@zeterzero4356 true.. which is why I believe RE4-6 became action horror. If you keep the same characters they can't stay oblivious and have minimal weaponry at their disposal. The only way to keep RE survival horror, IMO, is to have new characters each new iteration. As long as the spirit of the franchise stays the same.

[@Sushipapi.]

Jeanvic Gaete It's the sequel to the first devil may cry and prequel to Devil may Cry 2.

[@despadas]

remember guys, 2nd Gigs are not cowardly sequels, they are more like Remakes or Remasters

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

They're separate universes or timelines of events. Like Marvel's "What If...?" line of comics.

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

They're Seboots.

[@F_lippy]

2nd Gig isn't a remake. IT'S A GENRE.

[@despadas]

Pip IV The Remake genre! D=

[@josephkeener8928]

They're actually cowardly remakes because they've been noted several times saying that they never should've done it and that they're going to try to avoid doing it as much as possible

[@MarcMac13]

*Sees title *Sees the 2nd gig video under it

[@despadas]

2nd gigs are the remakes or HD remasters of LP's, not cowardly sequels

[@drakenzord2689]

The sequels we deserve

[@MarbleVirus]

They always said they were the biggest cowards after all

[@kingcaesar3693]

Yes Pat the moment Jason went to space was when my goofy sensor went off. Not when he body swapped like Freaky Friday the 13th, got beat up by a girl with psychic powers, or went from some guy in a mask to zombie kill lord 4000. It was the space adventure that jumped the shark. To this day i laugh every time i think about how every kill in that series gets progressively zanier.

[@TheStrxggler]

*looks at title* *looks at the DMCV background* U FOCKING WAT

[@bract3519]

But dragon ball and naruto tho

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@bract3519 GT is a better sequel than Super

[@IceLizardsUnited]

Woolie the Liar strikes again!

[@luisalonso959]

@@cyberninjazero5659 Gt is just a reboot of kid goku of dragon ball

[@GameFreak5556]

I love that Woolie brings up Gravity Falls and saying that Alex Hirsch was right in ending but really he left SO MUCH SHIT UNFINISH that he had to make a comic and then tease even more content for a future Gravity Falls to wrap up questions that should have been answered in the show.

[@dragamation3266]

I mean if youre super into the details i guess. For me as a causal veiwer I felt gravity falls wrapping up how it did was perfect

[@cia4u401]

I remember watching the previews of episodes before the finale and listening to Hirsch talk about how he wanted to push the boundaries a little, actually tell a story and how he teased someone might die but the moment people got pissed at Stan immediately getting his memory back he started saying things like "lol it's just a kids show chill out :^)"

[@god47398]

@@dragamation3266 too bad it sucks

[@TheKidNobodyNotices]

Taking just the core of Woolie's thoughts, he is right, that there are WAY too many sequels and reboots of old stuff using the same characters. New ideas, new shows, any refreshing breath is needed for every piece of media. Sequels can still be hype, it's not as simple as "Sequels bad, new good" but too much of it can damn sure be tiring.

[@fuckiopussigetti453]

6 years later, who's ready for Round 3 in Mortal Kombat world?

[@SteelBallRun1890]

DMCV CONFIRMED FOR COWARDS

[@kingcaesar3693]

I'm the biggest coward!

[@Comkill117]

To quote a random Marine from Halo: CE "I'm a cowardly fool!"

[@ScorpioTheScorpion1503]

That means it’s the PERFECT game for the Zaibatsu to LP!

[@Bone8380]

@@Comkill117 When you made this comment were you ever expecting the possibility of Woolie actually playing Halo?

[@coldjustus]

Based on this, even God is a coward. You call it a flood, I call it Life II.

[@otooandoh9556]

This should be pinned! This made me laugh more than it should have

[@juniorjunior5884]

Oh shit, do over!

[@diegomedina9637]

When's Life III?

[@SushiElemental]

Life 2nd Gig

[@RedEyesBlackKnight]

Its called a "soft reboot"

[@Valanway]

Woolie hates DMC, Bayonetta, Metroid, Kirby, Street Fighter, Dragon Ball, and Metal Gear confirmed. Gravity Falls is still continuing too, just not on TV, Hirsch backed down. Same thing happened with ATLA.

[@zeterzero4356]

Your avatar is amazing.

[@oradrive745]

But loves JoJo what a hypocrite

[@TrixTrix228]

Don't forget King of Fighters after the Orochi arc (though i'm glad Shermie's coming back even if it's in SNK Heroines)

[@golightly313]

Why does Woolie get upset when people point out how he's wrong when he's wrong constantly?

[@saladoc]

Woolie fighting about sequels while above him a glorified dmc 5 logo is present, the irony is strong.

[@otooandoh9556]

*sequels not secuels

[@saladoc]

That doesn´t make sense, all stories and characters are supoused to have final arcs, at least the ones that know what they are doing, if we go by your logic we would never had any of the greatest secuels of all time, like the godfather 2, the empire strikes back, the dark knight, etc. All those stories finished their arcs in the first movie and they just simply evolved in the second with the same characthers and all. The only stories that are not supoused to have secuels are the ones that the story told a limited event that cannot be expanded, like titanic , seven, 12 monkeys, etc. I don´t care about life is strange or the last of us, but definitely their stories can expand without problems, for example I´m almost sure that in the last of us ellie´s girlfriend is just a plot device to be killed at the begginning and be eaten by cannibals, and also forcing ellie to eat her girlfriend or something, and that´s how she will reunite with joel to seek vengeance along with him, and surely they were separated before because elli found out that joel didn´t allow the euthanasia (who we are kidding, that what the story whats about at the end) and she got mad at him because he let her to become a mushroom in the future XD, mark my words.

[@DeathKnight5608]

Does Woolie still stand by his statement if DMC V is the last time we'll see Dante, Nero, and Vergil?

[@PunishedBlake]

He'd try to run it back like when he told Pat about that boat directions bullshit or about the animal abuse or about the lying or pie stealing.

[@manuelmateo3392]

I honestly think he might. He's already praised DMC V for establishing a sense of continuity by moving on from Dante, and handing the mantle to Nero. However, it's impossible to say for certain.

[@DeathKnight5608]

Manuel Mateo Isn't Vergil Woolie's favorite though? Because I think the real question is if he can move on from Vergil as easily as he can move from Dante.

[@manuelmateo3392]

@@DeathKnight5608 Who's to say he already hasn't? Veggie's been dead for years now, and although he might be back in some capacity for this one (I hope he's not alive), there's been ample time for Woolie to appreciate and understand the weight and impact Vergil left during his life and in his death. However, I can't say for certain.

[@DeathKnight5608]

superc37 I never said anything about ending a series. I know what Woolie meant when he was talking about anthologies. I made that comment to jab at Woolie's opinion because I recall Woolie having a huge hard-on for Vergil and I figured that the thought of bidding a permament farewell to Vergil would make him back-down to a degree.

[@newengland707]

I LOVE it when Woolie is super wrong, finishes his thought, then yells about how dumb everyone is for interrupting his finished thought so he can backtrack away from being super wrong. Never change, its the best.

[@patrickangelobalasa]

I have never seen Woolie be so wrong about everything.

[@RanMouri82]

He's wrong a lot, though.

[@gamerguy6990]

So wrong it's pat levels

[@zeterzero4356]

He's right about a lot though. That Naruto bit for instance.

[@holyflutterofgod]

Most people rejected his message. They hated Woolie because He told them the truth.

[@Delivery-Witch-Express]

2:18 Yup. :(

[@RadiumBadger]

Woolies reaction to things is always fantastic. "YUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEERRRRRSH"

[@emaruserenraku1750]

Here's my two cents: If any story, I don't care if it's live action, anime, manga, whatever: "If you still have questions, especially REALLY good questions in that series that need to be answered, you continue the bloody series. If all questions have been answered, and you know for a FACT there's nothing left to show, you bow out and end the series" And that's double if the universe in question has nothing to create a successor. If a successor or new act can be made, you let that thing rock. That's all I'm saying. I wonder which series I'm talking about, what do you think?

[@adamstradtman1599]

"it was written to be done, so let it be done." *Leers at Scrubs season 9*

[@LPBelligerentsGaming]

Is Superman apologist Woolie calling for stories to have actual endings?

[@vistea1]

A better example in Matt's argument could of been Halloween 3 Seasons of the Witch. The crew on the third movie was hoping it did well so the Halloween series would become an anthology series to replace Michael Myers, but fans wanted Michael back so we got part 4... and we know how that turned out.

[@Comkill117]

Devil May Cry 5 looks amazing! I really hope they release the demo later down the line before launch.

[@masonloc]

In this episode of woolie doesn’t understand brand recognition and money being important.

[@PunishedBlake]

Money means little to people in the swamp lands of Maddentown. There, you only trade in dreadlocks and axe body spray.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

In this Episode Woolie doesn't understand how shit the sequel generation can be and Pretends all Time Skips are Tekken 3 levels of mastery

[@josh-oo]

Money is dumb.

[@cia4u401]

It's funny how he thinks that the writers are doing it to tell a new story because Max's finished and not because it's a lot easier than trying to make a secuel when the last game ended in two very different choices (and the only ones that mattered) for the protagonist. It's either this, some bullshit like TWD season 3 flashbacks or actually picking a canon ending and pissing half the playerbase off

[@TasTheWatcher]

So when are you doing Detroit: 3rd gig - The Failthrough

[@pdragon619]

"Sequels suck" Woolie says "but make a new Prince of Persia though..." Matt whimpers from the shadows.

[@N00BSYBORG]

Yeah. Only cowards make sequels. Big coward sequels like DMCV, Bayonetta 3 and Travis Strikes Again: No More Heroes.

[@Abyss3223]

Life is strange wont be trash this time around, I hope.

[@27TheMunchkin]

honestly if you take out the tumblrspeak & replace it with how normal humans talk then it becomes a legitimately good game. If they learned their lesson we're straight.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

If I may. I agree with finishing stories.........But I think they should keep the Setting, the World. You used Jojo, that's a great example. But a Setting by itself is enough to sell thing, and not rely on old characters. Another example being the Star Wars EU, while they did constantly had jedi vs. sith over and over, we DID get some other stories that were petty cool. Hell, they had a series that was just a bunch of random stories, like Greedo's Father (Who unlike the Greedo we saw with Anakin as a kid and then gunned down by Han was actually pretty badass and a little less of a piece of shit.) which were pretty neat (Star Wars Tales i think it was called.) as well as several other stories, like the Expansion to Empire at War, with the Zahn Consortium. A setting is all you need, you don't need the old character (Star Wars in particular all you need is the setting and name, that's it, I can literally come up with a story RIGHT NOW just using the setting.........It basically turns into Star Wars Metal Gear Peace Walker/Phantom Pain, but you can't tell me MSF/Diamond Dogs with Force Users and Aliens and Space Stations wouldn't be sick.)

[@kalmakoffee]

By this logic, David Cage is the bravest game developer out there

[@manuelmateo3392]

What Woolie seems to want is for stories to let go and introduce characters without hesitation, and also maintain a sense of overarching continuity between installments. Cage doesn't exactly do the latter.

[@lance5445]

If anything David Cage is "brave"...to the world's detriment

[@DJGamingSmash]

Holy sh*t, I'm not even joking that I'm developing a series that's turning into an anthology.

[@jeanne-emerycoleman214]

Woolie hates Devil May Cry 3 confirmed.

[@diegomedina9637]

That's a prequel.

[@darrianweathington1923]

Only cowards make sequels... as they play god of war 15, while preordering tickets to see star wars 22, while counting down to kingdom hearts 10, and reading JOJO part 9 and looking at DMC 5 with tight pants swimming in sticky white fluid of their own.

[@TheAnimatedGamer]

That devilbringer powerbomb Nero does now is pretty sick

[@YoYo-em5sf]

The Animated Gamer I AGREE WITH THAT

[@datafogao]

yeyeyeye

[@zeterzero4356]

Devilbreaker now.

[@AzureKing963]

That was sick and all, but did you know you can taunt in the air now. Nero fuckin' rides his sword and revs it. Can't wait see Dante's air taunts.

[@strawberrytofu4990]

WAIT YOU CAN DO AIR TAUNTS? Boy I would have known that if ANY of the people who uploaded demo gameplay taunted.

[@ufusnake]

You are right Wolie, the next Kirby should have a new protagonist

[@ricardorios2355]

That’s right Woolie just end this season of the channel and start a new one with new guys. That will work out...

[@StellaStarfall]

Boy, do I have some news for you.

[@josephmurphy7503]

Hey I bet Pat's made alot of sequels then

[@misterbackdown2889]

Every day there's a new sequel with Pat on this channel

[@Ablestron]

What woolie is describing sounds pretty much like what soft reboots have been doing these past several years.

[@Gojiro7]

that Friday the 13th example Mat uses is hilarious when Woolie asks "with no powers?" and Matt replies "No!" to confirm it......that random father posing as Jason Kills more people in that one film then Jason himself had in the entire series up to that point XD

[@mika9578]

Im sorry but the description of Jason being blown up by the FBI is the best thing ever

[@nopeekingjon]

Anyone else notice how cute Pat and Woolie are for wearing each other's colors?

[@tailedgates9]

Woolie, your feelings match my feelings on this subject to a T. Sometimes, shit needs to just end. It was fine the way it is. If a 2nd part of FMA came out, I'd be pretty worried. Interested, but worried.

[@KeroKaminaX]

woolie's first example for anthology shouldn't have been Jojo, it should been stuff that actualyl works with live action or thigns htat involve actors like Kamen Rider, Sentai, The Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits, Freddy's Nightmares, etc. speakign of, Pat, all those shows i listed and more have done the "same actors different characters" idea before

[@smgeezus7186]

I've tried, time and time again, so many ways to explain to my dad that Halloween was supposed to be an anthology. Everytime that Halloween 3 is brought up, he says, like clockwork "what a shitty movie, why would they have made Halloween without Michael Mires?!". 🙃

[@JetPoweredCloud]

The issue is, there are some shows that are MADE to be sequeled and are better for it. Like, I honestly think The X-Files could have, theoretically, gone on forever, simply because the characters are so well written and developed, that there's no end to the scenarios you can throw them in to. So, a show like The X-Files would be way weaker if all we got was the first season, because you'd lose all that potential growth of the world and its characters.

[@KeroKaminaX]

0:16 god this moment out of context is hilariously fantastic

[@TrixTrix228]

So what Woolie is saying is, Blanka should never have been brought back to SF4 and SFV because his story was done in SF2. You can't ignore that cause that was canon

[@dragamation3266]

I mean yeah it doesnt mean all sequels are bad or whatever, but woolie has a point about some sequels. Hes right that that is why we live in the world of sequels and reboots. Doesnt make him a hypocrite for liking DMC 5, just he really likes it when people have the balls to make a new thing instead of a sequel.

[@ThatSamoanGuy]

Halloween 1 & 2 were meant to be the entire Michael Myers story, they WANTED the rest of the Halloween series to be an anthology series but everyone threw a shit fit because Michael Myers wasn't in it anymore. So, thanks everyone; now instead of the creative and always-new Halloween series, we get the same shit over and over again.

[@Stefano.C]

This could also apply to kingdom hearts and metal gear solid.

[@Radoh1017]

I own a Gravity Falls book that's got three more episodes in it, Alex Hirsch is hinting at a Gravity Falls 2.

[@manuelmateo3392]

When I was listening to this segment, I was laughing to myself a lot, because another good example of this is Hellraiser (while at the same time, being somewhat of an anthology series, until they brought back Kirsty later). It's also funny because Hellraiser went to space in one of the movies. (What's up with horror movies and going into space? If anyone else has examples like Jason X and Hellraiser: Bloodline, I'd like to hear them). Hellraiser just didn't know when to end, and after the crock of shit that was "Hell on Earth", it just went down the road of obscure showings and direct to DVD sequels. A shame, because the first two movies are great, and the original Hellraiser is almost perfect.

[@Thiollier_1]

I hope one day the channel makes enough money that Woolie can get treatment for his LFD (Low Framerate Disease for the uninitiated). Stay strong y'all

[@dektoide2567]

PERSONA

[@Pyroman1357]

I have that same shirt Woolie's wearing...and also the same wallpaper. oh no

[@zeterzero4356]

OH YES!

[@MysteryFaceX]

Damn, I love Nero's new look. Wish his shirt was different, though. Ah, even Dante has that bummy-look. So it is part of a theme!

[@carolusrex2810]

2:18 oof

[@kdash3760]

What hipsters. "I hate that dmc 3,4, and 5 still have the same characters" says woolie madden

[@manuelmateo3392]

That's not exactly what he's saying. In fact, he's praised DMC V for moving on from Dante, and handing the mantle and focus to Nero. He just wants stories to have some kind of "extended continuity".

[@sarafandumah4572]

No woolie, the audience isn't afraid the share holders are.

[@cia4u401]

But Gravity Falls is getting a new episode and just got a new comic Also Alex originally stated to want to make 3 seasons and a movie and then went on to make 2 seasons with the last half of the second one being filled with irrelevant episodes for the plot when it most needed it (how many episodes did Ford get? two? Maybe three? and none of those explored his relationship with anybody other than Dipper and one with Stan in a flashback) and a rushed ending.

[@samfisk4848]

It's really unfair to compare Berserk to anything else the guys talked about. Gravity Falls tied itself up. For the most part, Stranger Things tied itself. The problem with Berserk isn't that it needs to stop. It's that a well paced chapters come out too far apart for anybody to consistently care about it.

[@Th3SmartAlec]

"That's okay, I'm a coward too."-SBFP

[@wwfof]

"Life is strange was good" What?

[@liquid_refreshment2791]

Is Beserks author basically George RR Martin?

[@TheStrxggler]

On Steroids.

[@TheSpiritus0]

Worse. Berserk has been out longer.

[@fistoftheworldking3834]

A chapter is literally coming out in a few days. Miura is always working despite how people may complain.

[@TheSpiritus0]

@@fistoftheworldking3834 always working?? Excuse me? May I remind you of the hiatuses? THE BOAT?!?!

[@superchunk1661]

Fist of the World King idol master

[@KrytenKoro]

We lived in a world of sequels for 2000 freaking years

[@DJGamingSmash]

So, how do we feel about Until Dawn anthology? Dark Pictures or something?

[@sinbadofthe7cs660]

This conversation reminds me of my feelings on FFX-2

[@FightCain]

When you read Shoujo Shyuumatsu Ryokou (Girls’ Last Tour) and get to the ending...

[@0rriAndroid]

You're right, Woolie. Fuck Terminator 2 and Aliens and every Devil May Cry sequel and every Soul Calibur sequel and every Mortal Kombat sequel and basically everything good in the world

[@LeviGratton]

Matt: About two brothers that kill a cop Woolie: FUCK YES.

[@totaldestruction152]

LeviGratton That was unfortunate timing.

[@MysteryFaceX]

Wow, I haven't been on here in a while. It's good to know that Woolie hasn't changed and still has the same enthusiasm for cop killing.

[@geneirai]

I'd argue that friday the 13th is anthology, except intead of the monster changing, it's the location/victims.

[@thinman25]

Coulda sworn Naughty Dog said Last of Us 2 would be a new story in the same world and that Joel and Ellie's story was done. I'm still excited for LoU2, but I would have preferred an anthology approach.

[@nobodyspecial675]

Friday the 13th: Part 5 is a weird case. That movie is so terrible, you can't pin ALL the hate on Fake Jason. He also didn't become a super-zombie until Part 6, so at that point, the only attractions were the mask and the lore.

[@sathanasluciferii]

"Don't trust them!, don't believe them!. They're dying Jim. Let them die!!'

[@Fjarhultian]

I like the depiction of people growing fucking old and the world changing. Fire Emblem Kids is so frustrating to me because I want that, but they just pop the children into the microwave until they're the same age as their parents, instead.

[@diegomedina9637]

Whenever Jason is not on screen you should be asking "Where's Jason?"

[@GoldLight73]

Did Pat cause both American Hory Story and the X-Men fighting game with Crazy Talk?

[@rebootcomputa]

So where can we catch the Video Podcast? Only live? how do I get notified??!

[@dougdynamo9398]

So far, 2nd Gigs are just alternate timelines.

[@cleverusername6]

Woolie is black??

[@prowlingmonkey]

That is just your screen not being properly calibrated

[@gamerguy6990]

No pats the black one

[@mattrossini1341]

No he just has a skin condition think Michael Jackson but backwards.

[@Samm815]

No.

[@tyman7362]

i have an example to prove woolies point. the Halloween franchise....specifically Halloween 3 season of the witch. that movie was made to be the next plot line in a Halloween anthology series .because critics tore that movie a new one for not having Michael Myers they stopped on the anthology idea and turned it back into the same story witch got progressively worse as time went on. so yes woolie only cowards make sequels (like Halloween Resurrection and H20)

[@dsfrreerg]

its a fucking WEAPON!!! THE BIKE ITS A WEAPON!!! MY FUCKING LOGARIOUS WHEEL CAN ONLY GET SO ERECT!!!!

[@FalconAkuma93]

how can i watch this live? twitch says the content is unavailable but does that mean i have to pay a subscription?

[@DrakeVagabond]

Dynasty Warriors is another example

[@dustymax56]

Is that the fastest Pat has been proven wrong?

[@Tonicky]

Yeah it is like when Brian K. Vaughan wrote "Y The Last Man" then it ended and he wrote "Saga" and "Paper Girls" and not Y the Last Man 2 or whatever.

[@hobbitninja]

Ok woolie but in the very example that started off this conversation (Life is Strange) it didn't have a definitive wrap up...unless you count the "save town" ending

[@joycehayes1454]

Bloody Roar 4 was the worst that it's not even considered as the last game in the series (instead it's primal fury/extreme) even though it didn't really continue the story plot of zoanthropes origin and etc like what every fan of that series always wanted and not a dumb dragon with crab girl (Nagi wasn't too bad, the story plot just made her look and sound as bad as her comedian voice actress).

[@SoaringLettuce]

Man, it's such a fuckin embarrassment that Capcom still feels the need to restrain themselves to the DMC universe instead of scrapping the whole thing and making new franchises with new characters that don't feel so used up after getting their own games...

[@ShadowWolfRising]

Real talk though, dem Grandia 1 and 2 Remasters for Switch.

[@RhysClark97]

6:39 XD matt

[@clanofclams2720]

Woolie has never been so right Edit: Pat has never been so wrong (about American Horror Story)

[@everywherman009]

Most of Jason goes to Hell could have been avoided had that black dude took a sandwich to work........

[@daviddalton8861]

What manga was Pat thinking about? I can think of 4 different series.

[@superchunk1661]

David Dalton berserk

[@kingcaesar3693]

Maybe One Piece, or Berserk.

[@cia4u401]

Berserker man

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

I wonder if Woolie played Danganronpa V3 or if Ultra Despair Girls scared him off the series for good. Because the Sequel Problem is kind of a big deal for that game.

[@Zombie1446]

NotAGoodUsername360 I'm pretty sure he mentioned playing ndrv3 on the podcast and saying it was good. I could be mixing him up with liam though (who said on stream he played it)

[@yersiniopestis2553]

Isn't Naruto an Anthology series now? Edit: Wow they actually brought up my dumb assertion.

[@blaacksugar7714]

That's what Street Fighter III did...and it didn't sell well. I bet if it was called World Warrior: New Generation, it would've sold more.

[@preciousgollum7103]

So, the new Star Wars Sequels, having both got rid of the old characters AND kept them around beyond relevance, is like quantum bet tunnelling.