SUPERCHARGED Toyota GT86 Review - Problem Solved? (JDM Legends Tour Pt. 21)

I really like the GT86. Great looks, great chassis, BUT it is a bit underpowered. I know it's not meant to be outright fast, but when your sports car gets overtaken by mildly warm hatches... something is not right.
So here's a review of a car with a supercharger from Abbey Motorsports...
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[@RobertRobinson]

The only problem with the 86, I've had mine for almost 2 years now and I have still got my license. Seriously, I should have lost it by now, this car makes me a hooligan.

[@southernclassik]

I hear ya buddy.

[@danielmeliet3997]

Same lol

[@Mr.Marbles]

the number 1 reason why the only made it with 200 hp. they wanted to avoid the lawsuits :D

[@andrewwise4877]

I've had an 86 since 2012 and have always thought about pulling the trigger on the Harrop charger. Harrop Engineering is only about a 30 minute drive from my house here in Melbourne. Thanks for helping me make up my mind.

[@itzajdmting]

Nice. Report back when the work has been done.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Mention me to Harrop, it's very useful for me to get my name out there!

[@Wildmarshmellow]

ive never herd of them i was thinking edleblock ill have to look into that

[@jackquick8362]

Seriously you MUST go for it. It puts this car into what I call the giggle band. Enough power to get the "whoah easy girl" response. It's begging to be unleashed, all the time. Not so much power that you have to make any concessions. Nor does it need a nasty suspension to carve curves. Most of the time you can just be giggling at just being in this car. On the highway commute to work, downshift and overtake. Giggle giggle. Corners in the mountain's, turn in. Giggle. Power out... You guessed it giggle giggle. You can push it to the next corner without needing to get to sketchy speeds to enjoy it like many 500hp beasts. Sure there are other cars that can get you to shit yourself twice on a drive to a friends house. This car with a charger, nice brakes and exhaust had me turning off the highway a turn early. Just for 10 more streets of me grinning like a kid. GO FOR IT!

[@cbglassiii9362]

Never heard of Harrop before, but I've been eyeballing the E-force from Edelbrock for a while. I'll have to check into Harrop before I make up my mind. I've had mine since new, '14 FR-S. All it needs is some Dynamat and FI to become the perfect car.

[@sage11x]

I have one. Standard. Keeping it standard. Never had an issue with the power. The original car was never setup to be a fast car. It was setup to be a fun car. Great steering, fantastic gear change, awesome chassis that made the loose rear end easy to exploit. This is a drivers car. The new BRZ/GR86 looks to solve the power ‘problem’ the best way you can in a drivers car: more displacement. I’m thrilled Toyota/Subaru had the courage to NOT turbocharge this thing.

[@duncanajpv8]

I've recently bought one and am leaving it completely standard too! 👍

[@B__L]

It absolutely was setup to be a fast car. It was designed from the very beginning to be modified.

[@IdiotRace]

I bought an immaculate one with 9000 miles on the clock, it's not staying standard. Already swapped the crappy standard wheels for some advans with Pilot sport cup2's which has transformed the car. Next step is swapping all the engine/gearbox/diff mounts for TRD ones which I've already got sitting around and I managed to get a set of the Performance Pack Brembos from the US . I also need to get an oil cooler to help with temps on track. Then I'll do a few trackdays like that and see what I need to do with the suspension. Most likely I'll be going with KW V3's, alongside verus LCA's and some eccentric topmounts for the front. After that if I feel like I'm wanting more power I'll do the usual manifold (with cat), catback and tune. But really the car feels fast enough for me on the road, even though it's definitely slower than my last car. If I plan to keep it long term then I may end up supercharging it, but I'll have to see really. Part of the appeal of this car is that there is a massive aftermarket for it, although there are definitely some questionably modified ones. But really I want this to be a car that can be used on track but still behaves itself on the road.

[@notaweeb4267]

I got a brz a few days ago and coming from an na Impreza hatchback previously it is incredible. Like you said they got it really right with the car. Living in Melbourne once I need more power, Harrop is a very logical choice. Great review.

[@davidrichards7722]

Thanks for that, in the shots when your going down the road and coming coming around the bends it looks well planted and sounds brilliant not over the top Thanks Again

[@Dragoneer]

The car that’s more Supra than the new Supra

[@fane2000]

@A T Actually it's more of a Toyota because the parts are from Toyota. Body parts and engine parts. I know it is a boxer engine but the parts are from Toyota. And Subaru joined the Toyota group. So in my opinion i think it's more of a Toyota :)

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

@Fanos: Its a Subaru "design" boxer engine FA20, so even thought its engine parts are Toyota 4U-GSE, the design of the engine was from Subaru so its basically a Subaru engine with Toyota part numbers... No different than the 2020 BMW Supra, its design is 100% BMW but they put a Supra badge on it. So its NOT a Supra, its a BMW

[@MethmalDhananjaya]

Funny part is New Supra and GT86 both was designed and Engineered by the same person.

[@saulespino2510]

@@fane2000 The only engine parts from Toyota is the fuel injection, direct and port injection

[@jacobnichols2182]

@@saulespino2510 which is the best direct injected system on the market 👍

[@Dadhole]

I put in an E-Force on mine a couple years ago along with injectors and a fuel pump, works great! The routing for the heat exchanger hoses look a lot cleaner on your setup.

[@dank6283]

Fantastic review, keep up the good work @JayEmmonCars

[@012_ljk]

Love my HKS Supercharged 86 by Fensport, so reliable and just makes the car go,.

[@mr.wiggles7535]

How's the reliability of the HKS kit been? How do you like it?

[@predaR6]

Do you stil have the car and how is it now?

[@Luke_SkyWalk3r]

Did it blow the engine yet?

[@012_ljk]

@@mr.wiggles7535 8000 miles in, no issues.

[@012_ljk]

@@Luke_SkyWalk3r 8000 miles in, no issues.

[@glenmiester]

Love the end theme tune. Brings me memories back of 90's games console music for some reason.

[@golding69]

I own a 2020 BRZ tS, in Southern California. Best car there is. Why? It balances price point, simplicity, aesthetics, nice sports interior, space, engineering, low center of gravity, Made In Japan, and it even has a trunk! Yes, it could have a few more HP, yet the way it is built, one can take curves faster and better than many cars that are two or three times as expensive. I did wear out the original Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires in only 7,000 miles, but I drive it like it’s meant to be driven around the countryside curvy roads where I live. I literally devote time just for the pure pleasure of driving the BRZ. This car has changed my life entirely, in a really good way

[@SonOfTamriel]

New to your channel, and loving your content and presentation. Keep it up buddy!

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks, I intend to!

[@andreasphotiou1886]

Disappointed to hear that you won’t be doing any Matt Farah bollock powder promotions

[@tadficuscactus]

Matt Farah is obsessed with turning circles and ball powder.

[@acchaladka]

Yet another reason I don’t watch his videos.

[@crooky1811]

Love to have a drive in one and see how old it would make my MR2 Turbo feel.

[@acchaladka]

Quite right on the 80s super-handling sportscar with low power. Exception may be the Porsche 944 turbo, which you should hunt down and test in detail. I have a chipped one in Montréal and at about 1,200 kg vs about 300 hp, can outrun many much newer cars, and still certainly out-handle them if local Porsche Club track results mean much. Or as you said, a newish Cayman would do the trick with more boringness. I came from a TDI and love inexpensive cars and torque too. Thanks for yet another fabulously informative review. Yes I would have that brz as well.

[@SisypheanTragedy]

Test drove one of these last year and I want one so badly!

[@ljbarryiv]

There are two maps in the software that hold the throttle open on deceleration. ECUTEK has them defined and you can fix it. There is also a map that pulled ignition timing with the clutch is in that helps a lot with shifting.

[@polopowered]

My GT86 would get unsettled whenever I wanted it to. Them Primacy HP's are perfect for the GT86. I put Dunlops on and regretted it, then sold it quick.

[@KingBanter]

This version looks nicer to me than the latest Supra

[@chrishack6825]

Thank you. Really honest review.

[@cubespeedequipment870]

Nice review James. The 86/BRZ/FRS really does need some boost. I have an 86 with a Sprintex supercharger and it makes for a great fun sports car. Now just need to make it sound as good as it goes now!

[@tfpjr]

How's that sprintex? Is it carb legal for California?

[@cubespeedequipment870]

Hi! Don't know if it is carb legal in California. It has been on the car for about 60,000klm now, torque dip all gone, fairly quiet, 170kw at the wheels and nice torque. Only downside it does have its own oil reservoir which needs to be topped up every 500klm or so. Let it run low once and the charger spun a bearing so needed a rebuild....ouch

[@styusuf5671]

Unrelated to this vid but would like to see you review a mk2 focus ST, a modified version would be nice as a lot of the car criticisms would have been ironed out. Sure you would love the 5 pot sound.

[@101TheKMan]

Love the vids Jay- keep up the good work. Still planning on that 130i video? I'd imagine it would be comparable dynamically to the 86 at half the price...

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Will do sometime soon!

[@andrewgrace6924]

Hi Jay. What is the impact on insurance over the standard car? Keep the good stuff coming 👍

[@jamiefisher1430]

Hope Toyota delivers you their GR 86 press car for you to review on your familiar roads - curious to find out how you find the increased torque with the new 2.4 engine 👍

[@1970boggy]

Great 👍 information James Upfront and honest as always and exactly what’s expected of us as Lotus people. 😂👍

[@marcnobel3938]

The Cosworth Version was brilliant to drive. Had the chance for a few days and still consider it the best bolt on solution. Maybe the sales are so down that they dont want to spend anymore money on it, which is understandable.

[@Glosole]

Hi James almost got a hyrop supercharged gt86 it was more moded than this one with AP brakes pilot cup tyres and around 340 bhp and for 15 k a bit of a bargan. But I didn't mainly it was high mileage but also as you picked up it had a sort of off power flat spot that was a bit annoying I think its the bypass valve can't make up its mind or something. It was rapid almost on par with my Evora S.

[@andrewcoates1]

I love that car. Drove manual and paddles. Never had issue with revs hanging. Australian model, don't know if they are different. We all muse that if only the car was 15percent bigger in every way, size, power, then it is the greatest sports car of the times.

[@jackquick8362]

Rev hanging is due to emisssion regulations. Pretty sure it does not happen in our version as you can shoot whatever you want out the tailpipe emissions wise here.

[@5thgearouttahere]

JayEmm, I've a 2018 86 and occasionally go mental spending $300 on Japanese car mags I can't even read btw. If you download google translate on a smartphone you can point the camera at a paragraph and have it translate in augmented reality - it works quite well.

[@reapystn1052]

Why did you choose the 86 when for the same car you can have a BRZ which is the same car but comes at a cheaper price and with better infotainment?

[@5thgearouttahere]

@@reapystn1052 because it's not and it doesn't.

[@reapystn1052]

@@5thgearouttahere But it is.. you clearly didn't compare both car. Sorry . But I guess if you buy Japanese mag without even knowing what they say.. it's pretty telling about how you buy stuff ! Go look in person and on their websites.

[@5thgearouttahere]

Suppose I should consider myself lucky having gone at least this long online without encountering a troll.

[@reapystn1052]

@@5thgearouttahere I'm not a troll, I just did my research. Now you are in denial.. too bad for you.

[@tadficuscactus]

Face lift got a small power upgrade. It has pretty good specific power. Not as good as old Hondas though.

[@Alexander-sr5fg]

The rear subframe bushings are taking the piss. Replace them and the car becomes amazing in corners

[@barnestim]

The 'rev hang' is/may be a ECU work around to solve a problem due to to placement of the throttle body before the supercharger body. Without that rev hang, the engine can drop out of idle and stall when depressing the clutch. I have the same thing programmed in on my supercharged MX5...it's ether that or constantly having to keep some throttle on when de-clutching/ being ready to blip the throttle to stop it stalling.

[@youridv]

he said it did it before the supercharger so that debunks your entire theory. If only people would just listen

[@richardbixler]

Great Outro music!

[@Fee.1]

OMG A HARROP SUPERCHARHER! Harrop is the best, they’re a Australian based place and they make the ONLY roots positive displacement blower/supercharger for the e92 m3, which is the only way you can boost the e92 m3 and keep its original power curves and drivability. This is a car that similarly deserves such a special kit. Know why it looks so OEM here and in the M3? Because Harrop makes OEM supercharger setup’s for the manufacturer’s. They’re the best, no POS centrifugal super/ belt driven turbo that’s got the worst attributes of both supercharging and turbos and the best of neither. Anyway, excellent company and products and its saddening so many m3 buyers choose to save a few bucks instead of buying the FI their motor deserves And others just want to make the most power even if it’s for two seconds at 8200rpm, I just don’t get how you can love the e92 ‘s stock torque curve and then go and butcher it Oh I didn’t know you’d cover this too. Fun.

[@bunkaaa8726]

Was literally about to furiously type about Fatt Marrah selling watches before you said hahahaha

[@MadelnMachines]

I'm curious what Abbey are up to with the GR86. Could be an interesting competitor to a used M2 competition since they're both known for their playful back end.

[@VideosbyJosh]

How would you recommend calming down the mad rear on a super charged 86?

[@PBrooksSawyer]

Fatter stickier tires.

[@richardskelton5119]

Thanks for your review. I have a 19 BRZ Auto which I love ( the wife can't drive a manual) and I am tempted to add a Supercharger to give it that little bit extra. On balance I think it would be a better option than getting the new version when it comes out, considering the new engine doesn't give that more power.

[@shaneyule3484]

do it. I promise you will not regret it.

[@jasonbienia3568]

I've got the 6 speed 2018 TS and the wife can't drive a manual it has UL tomae E 85 and now an edelbrock supercharger, I'm waiting on it's return after tuning with ecutech it should be fantastic it was purely fun before

[@jasonbienia3568]

Oh yeah forgot to add it has a borla Axel back touring exhaust

[@SurgeX798]

You don’t have to justify buying an Automatic

[@eltreum1]

I think the GT86 is my next car build and supercharging is in the plan eventually. A MkII Supra was my last project car so I know all about the love/hate of a fun driving but underpowered car; I wanted to SC it too. The GT86 as you said was exactly what we asked for. A cheap solid platform to start from but even stock it's sufficient for its purpose. It's rare to get an FR chassis that nice looking and well balanced for so cheap. The supercharged car you were driving really should have wider tires to be more stable in the rear. 225s in a SC car is like stock with the Prius 205 width tires. The rear wants to go drifting. Harrop's own GT86 runs 255-265s as I recall for max grip at full throttle.

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

TBH they aren't REALLY underpowered. You can do 60 in around 6 seconds in the manual if you put grippy tyres on it (official times were done using the slippy primacy tyres, which is why they look slow). That's not bad for only 200hp and really surprises people.

[@eltreum1]

@@BlatentlyFakeName Don't get me wrong I love the car stock and its easy to drive around the torque dip everyone hates but it has the capacity for so much more and they built it to beg for it I think on purpose lol. It met the factory goal of having enough power for a high revving fun reliable drive with room to mod. 2k in exhaust deals with the dip and adds ~20+HP/TQ tuned. Outside tune and exhaust a mild positive displacement supercharger @~7-9psi boost ~275HP really seems like a good stage 3 fit for this platform without ruining the balance of the car and staying reliably daily drivable. Turbos and bigger blowers are stage 4 because the stock engine internals are reliable to only ~11psi boost and ~375HP which is plenty in a 2700lb car. The stock compression ratio and head gasket makes it risky for turbos and centrifugal SCs to unlock their max power so they have to be limited. It's kind of a waste of money unless you upgrade internals to 2.1L too. The payoff is huge in HP if you do. I have seen these ran out to 22psi boost ~450-500HP on built motors reliably. I agree about the 0-60 numbers being BS. The testers drive them weakly I think to mimic what the very average consumer will expect instead of hard core divers. If you are trying to drive fast after you take off in 1st you should not be in the torque dip again until you are stopping lol. IMHO this car truly is the successor to the old AE86 and a great car that does not need big HP to have fun but it can go as far as you want to spend. This car teaches the driver and can grip or drift at will stock. Having said all that if I could only ever do one mod to this car that would be the tire/wheel fitment.

[@TheMentalblockrock]

Rather than the GT-86, if I wanted a supercharged RWD manual coupe, I'd fit a supercharger to my 944 S2. The standard 16v S2 engine is good for up to 350BHP with a supercharger.

[@tanapolchuksrida1994]

Do you like this car more than the DC5? I’m contemplating between the 2

[@VishalGupta-od5mf]

I've driven the standard car, it was was a great drive but underpowered. I would have liked a nicer sound from the exhaust too.

[@anthonyhunt701]

JayEmm, Is Abbey Motorsports supercharger available in the States?

[@nickdrouet1502]

Hey - it's a Harrop kit - so contact a Harrop dealer over there and they should be able to sort it

[@anthonyhunt701]

@@nickdrouet1502 Thank you my friend, love the channel BTW!...

[@wilbo5457]

Food for thought James! 🤔

[@Joolz1982]

Cheers for looking at the GT86 again my next car in a year or two. Good to hear impressions after a tune. Those modes you mentioned are not on standard car is that because of Super charger it gets Winter and Engine saver mode? Aero Edition I think this car is, other special edition is the 86 Pro, Blanco, TRD and BRZ STI. The 2013 10 grand GT86 now have Valve spring engine issues in 2013 sadly (Valve springs need to be replaced). Interested to see how the New coming 86 is power wise compared to this and is not Toyota’s response for extra power the GR Supra? Is it the

[@nickdrouet1502]

Yep it's the Aero Edition. The extra modes come with an ECUTek remap to map the Harrop kit sing.

[@Joolz1982]

Nick Drouet thanks for the info. Lovely car and great to hear about the Super Charger.

[@nickdrouet1502]

@@Joolz1982 Thanks - it has really transformed the car - for comparison I've owned both an Elise (and James is correct that it steers just like one), and also a 996 C4S - which this would keep up with now. The boosted 86 is a lot more fun day to day than the 911 - far more nimble :-)

[@Joolz1982]

Nick Drouet Great to hear, you have owned some nice cars to compare Super Charger GT86 too. I was also considering a 350Z next, but sounds like GT86 then later add a Super Charger is much more fun :). I’m sure I’ll love losing the back end too in Tesco car park or a quiet Round about in the future.

[@nickdrouet1502]

@@Joolz1982 350Z and the 370Z were on the list - I was on the way to look at a 370Z when I saw the 86. It's very tail happy with the extra power - hence the winter mode! The chassis on the 86 really is wonderful - a grown up Elise and without the running costs of a 911 - about 300bhp is just perfect.

[@Aatish2k8]

Awesome I live in Croydon, so Abby is close by.

[@heikkiremes5661]

I'd buy a diamond white Mk. 4 Escort and would spice it up with a 2 litre Zetec swap, RS Turbo body kit and an upgraded chassis.

[@fastfurious7785]

i am still not sure if i m going to get a gt86 for daylie . I m afraid if the car engine don t last 4 years .

[@sexbuffet]

if you're talking stock, the 86 is known to be bulletproof (this can change if you put in the supercharger of course)

[@patrickbateman7122]

Just bought a 2019 BRZ. Had a 2013 86 before. This facelift BRZ is much more a better sports car with a much better planted chassis/rear end that doesn't want to drift everywhere which got tedious with me..The steering is even better too probably due to the different spring rates up front on the BRZ and also new software mapping. I'm happy with the stock power and love NA cars. As the saying goes it's more fun to drive a slow car fast where i can go WOT more of the time...

[@mr.wiggles7535]

The new final drive in the 17+ seriously helps the car feel peppier too!

[@patrickbateman7122]

@@mr.wiggles7535 Don't think we got that in the Uk..

[@BVRainer]

I have a 2017 86, stock. I find it a joy to drive, wringing it out at high revs to get the most out of the engine is just part of the fun.

[@SurgeX798]

Did they really change that much?

[@PyroPlays]

Hi Jayemm. Great review! How does this compare to a BBR MX-5, which is more playful? Thanks 👍

[@e1337prodigy]

7:50 it's called an Aero. 11:22 not true, I can get the back end out on most corners on my standard GT86.

[@junitoortega8656]

Man this is a nice review. Very Informative! I love the FRS/BRZ but I already own a Mk3 Mr2 which the same premise of fun handling and not much power which is what stops me from getting an FRS but the supercharger changes that premise.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

If you haven't already watch my V6 mr2 review

[@EC_TV_]

Great speakers FYI 😄💪

[@Dockhead]

have i only just realized this is like the old top gear style shots to how they reviewed cars like you do in your videos or is it just a coincidence?

[@JayEmmOnCars]

It's coincidence in part, there are only so many ways to shoot a review

[@Dockhead]

@@JayEmmOnCars ahh right its just it reminded me of the old top gear days. its not a bad thing, i actually like it and your reviews feel very genuine

[@JayEmmOnCars]

@@Dockhead thankyou

[@eoghanhennessy15]

I’d buy a standard one for under £10k and enjoy it for what it is... for £16+ grand you can almost buy anything else

[@Emil-sh6sq]

Where the hell can you buy a standard one for under 10k?????

[@rtaylor0361]

A subject that I would like Jays input involves insurance . Here in the US I pay $1500 / year for my fast ap2 S2000 and it’s stock and matches the vin description in full . You can’t insure a modified car like that and if you hurt someone by accident your going to get your insurance voided including liability .You want a fast street car , then go buy one like I did and rest easy .

[@Jesusprayerwarriorbw]

This supercharger is awesome

[@pageonejournalist]

Do you get a lowered compression ratio crankshaft for that £6k?

[@nickdrouet1502]

No - the standard internals are good with that setup

[@5thgearouttahere]

yeah you're meant to be rock solid up to almost 300hp, the rods are the first to go.

[@ahrred3127]

Brand New Base Cayman Or Supercharged BRZ/86/FRS? BTW Nice Video Mate!

[@lostgps3005]

Or an MR2 😉

[@JayEmmOnCars]

I'd be more tempted by an older 981 or 987 Cayman S

[@e1337prodigy]

Cayman's are 2.7l? so worse mpg? but then you might not be interested in that if you're looking at these cars.

[@ahrred3127]

@@e1337prodigy 2019 Cayman Comes With A 2.0 Turbocharged Engine

[@e1337prodigy]

@@ahrred3127 but we are talking about used Cayman's and used GT86's. If you're buying a 2019 Cayman that's £44k+? The older Cayman's are 2.7l I believe?

[@showmetheevidence777]

Love the Harrop - and the only reason I didn't go for this was price... too expensive if you're outside the UK or Aus. So I went with the Sprintex SPS version instead. If you own an 86 - then YES you absolutely should do this. Yes, Toyota should've done this from the factory. Yes it will cost a few bucks & it is worth every cent. Yes the chassis can easily handle this power. In terms of his hesitant throttle map etc... this is a tuning thing, and the Sprintex + Delicious tuning are a total win :) Mine feels like stock in terms of smoothness with easy power everywhere. I've never heard of this emissions thing he's talking about.

[@KareemAbawi]

For me I couldn't buy it because of the price and because I don't have access to fuel higher than 95 octane gas... I think running forced induction on FA20 motor with anything less than 98 octane is a suicide... If I'm going to upgrade the engine internals I might as well go with a lower compression pistons and a decent size turbo kit.

[@Alejandro_Valladares]

Is that a Type R wing?

[@mrporsche4236]

In australia a used gt 86 costs about $30,000 plus. A supercharger installed add $15,000 a new gr86 is around $50,000. The gr is the better car by far

[@matthewcoupeofficial]

They missed a trick, Subaru and Toyota should have offered the standard with the 2.0 and done a special edition or a higher model with the 2.5 from the WRX

[@Lodkostroitel]

So, if 300hp is not enough. What is it then? 135?

[@ristekostadinov2820]

I think that Toyota never give up more power to the 86/BRZ/FRS because they were planing in the future to build Supra and they didn't want to build 260-270hp car for 30 000 - 35 000$ that will have the same performance as the Supra and the Supra is 10 000-15000 more now that is out.

[@maybelive765]

Either this or the Mazda RX8 (after all the mods to make it do 300hp, it'll cost as much) turbo?

[@redlion145]

Unless you're a real petrolhead, don't go with the RX8. I say that as a rotary fan myself. Rotaries are high maintenance and hard to work on. Bad combination for someone who just wants a track car. If you know what you're about with a rotary, I'd still go with a BRZ/86. It's just a better chassis.

[@maybelive765]

@@redlion145 I disagree... The RX8 has an extremely competitive chassis considering its a miata's. But, I totally agree with the rotary statement: but I was looking for more of an in depth look to the advantages which a big port high flow renesis turbo engine would give on tracks and on the road without looking at its disadvantages. But yeah, owning an RX8 (especially turbo'd) is a full time baby.

[@redlion145]

@@maybelive765 I used to think the 50/50 weight distribution on the RX8 was king as well. But honestly after you're done adding a turbo and a radiator and perhaps an oil cooler, the weight distribution is about the same if not more front biased than the 86. But of course, if you're not looking at the disadvantages, it's fairly easy to talk yourself into pretty much anything :P

[@maybelive765]

@@redlion145 the RX8 has a good chassis none-the-less, but weight reduction is key. Also, if you rebuild the fuel system in the back for better reliability, I bet the turbo and intercooler in the front wont be so bad 😂😂😂

[@poisonpotato1]

Who makes a better Toyota ? Subaru or BMW ?

[@humilicious]

it doesnt matter what engine they put people will take it out and add something else or swap out parts and add bigger turbo like supra

[@Dominik189]

"The entire world responds with can't we have more power?" *Meanwhile me:* That engine is too big, should have been a 1.8...

[@tadficuscactus]

I would get the Cosworth super charger.

[@harveyshelley3036]

Are you in to warhammer?

[@beechcraftpvp]

I freaking love that Nur Spec wing. I'm so tempted to get one, but I fear that it would get me laughed at, being a 28 year old :/

[@SidewaysShadow]

If you have a GT86. You already don't care what people think. I can't imagine how many people say something like "why buy such a slow sports car". So just get the wing if you want it. You only live once

[@bryanholmberg1042]

I daily a 16 frs with a hks v3 s/c and love the hell out of the car but I still prefer it n/a

[@subiyota]

Bryan Holmberg why do you prefer n/a ? I have a stock brz

[@bryanholmberg1042]

the car really doesnt need boost its a great car to just drive. i have been boosted for 11k miles now and yes i love the hell out of it but the outcome you spend to get it there its not really worth it. with the car plus aftermarket im in the 55k of investment. its widebody, full suspension, and extra and suportting mods for the S/C. i make 253hp and 210lbstq. i can make more but i dont have e85 where i live. my advice is leave n/a and due final drive gear and trans gear and a itb kit or turbo it. if you are looking for a drag car this is not the platform. but if you just want to build then yes. plus with my 55k into i would be lucky to get 23k if i sold it

[@1stGenMillie]

I have a stock 86 too and Idk why one prefer it N/a :/

[@Mitchbehaven91]

Im surprised you've spent 55k and only ended up with 253hp, what about headers? And also delicious makes a tune to get atleast another 20 hp, and still run cool enough with the supporting mods and have 293 HP and if you really wanted to run a smaller pulley, I have a 2018 and I'll be in 35k with bigger wheels and tires, coilovers, catback, headers and a harrop kit with either E85 or the delicious tune and pulley

[@nomessininc.]

Always liked the look of the aero kit on these, always surprised you don’t see many on trackdays unless boosted

[@gryphon123456]

How would you tie the rear end down. Just wider tires?

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Stiffer anti roll bar

[@Fastvoice]

Nope. If you want the back more planted you need a softer setup at the rear and a bit more negative camber (with adjustable control arms or Powerflex bushings). The stock alignment is known to be very weird at some cars. Get a KW V3 suspension, dial it to your needs and get a proper alignment from an expert. That together with Michelin PS4 or Continental Sport Contact 6 can give you a proper everyday street handling of 300 hp compressor power (I don't speak of track use, that's another cup of tea). I've done that with my HKS-compressor-powered GT86 and can highly recommend it - no need for aftermarket roll bars front or rear.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

@@Fastvoice Very interesting, certainly felt to me like the rear was rolling too much. Nice to know you can get a KW kit for them, I have V3 on my M3 and they are great

[@Fastvoice]

If you watch your cornering from the outside, there is actually not much of a rolling (especially in relation to a Mazda MX5). And of course a bit more rolling and a softer suspension can give you more grip (if everything else is dialed correctly - like the alignment).

[@vector409]

this car was designed for the tuner market... if it came with any more power, as standard, it would have cost way too much. The designer wants this to be a classic and when it gets into the hands of the younger owners who are into tuning.. watch it go

[@Skidfreaks_southeast]

What do you think of the new hypercar ?

[@JayEmmOnCars]

The Lotus one? Not really much to see yet

[@liamholcroft7212]

thase japanese car mags would make look great stuck to the front wings, stickerbomb style. like how they do it with manga books.

[@JangosGaragebrokendreams]

For 20k it would be an Lotus Esprit

[@jirace]

I have this supercharger. It is NOT A SCREW supercharger. It is an Eaton TVS 1320 roots style supercharger, the same used on the Edelbrock kit, but executed better by Harrop IMO.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

My bad. I believe Lotus also used the TVS1320 on the first gen Evora

[@jimmyfarley5581]

I raise an eyebrow when you mentioned the car making 270 lbs ft of torque. Considering its completely standard. Some years ago I supercharged my ep3 type R. I fitted a complete exhaust manifold and decat 2.5 inch exhaust system. I fitted a Grupp M CAI. I upgraded the fuel pump and fitted larger fuel injectors. The dyno run gave a peak of 337bhp and a maximum torque of 225 lbs ft. I'm struggling to understand how a bog standard 2 litre high revving engine (like the K20) produces so much torque? Especially without any other modifications. I'm calling BS! Great video. Suspect power figures though.

[@Fastvoice]

I have HKS V2 supercharger on my GT86 with a restriction plate in the intake to make it street legal here in Germany. On the dyno it makes about 290 PS and 250 lbs ft torque at the crank (or 340 Nm as we say here). Without the plate it's no problem to get 310 PS and 270 lbs ft - I guess this was also the case with the sharpest mapping in JayEmms test car. Up to this power there's no need to upgrade fuel pump and/or injectors. So no hoax IMHO. But maybe you speak of power at the wheels and not the crank in the case of your Civic? Now that would be a completely different calculation.

[@jimmyfarley5581]

@@Fastvoice I would assume a dyno measures wheel horsepower?

[@Fastvoice]

@@jimmyfarley5581 Yes, but at least on this side of the pond we add the estimated or measured drivetrain loss (about 15 to 25% depending on FWD, RWD or 4WD) to the result to get the crank (or flywheel) power numbers. The stock GT86 has only about 155 hp wheel power, but ca. 197 hp crank power. JayEmm also spoke of crank power for the supercharger at the beginning of the video. Carmakers here publish only crank power numbers for their new products, not wheel power (I guess it’s the not much different in the U. S., right?).

[@jimmyfarley5581]

@@Fastvoice I believe all car makers detail their power outputs based on crank horsepower right? The EP3 Type R produced (in Europe) 197 bhp. Am I right in thinking that BHP is a measurement of total crank power? Because WHP is less due to various factors the car company would rather state the power at the crank because it's a higher number? Its easier to sell the crank power than the wheel power? Am I correct?

[@jimmyfarley5581]

@@Fastvoice FYI I live in the UK! 👍

[@8359s]

I would get 1989+ 944 Turbo or a 996.2.

[@tonyharper5604]

Robert Kilar I am with you re the 996; exactly what I thought when the outlay is £18k. Very good mod of the GT86 though

[@DjDizzy216]

My wife complimented your shirt, she’s from SF.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

And I bought it there!

[@wakjob961]

Excuse me, did you say $6,000 for that supercharger? New crate motors cost less.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Six thousand pounds and this isn't some old chevy

[@carlogigante5239]

Cost of develpoment are pretty high, buy you can't argue it's pretty steep especially if put in relation with the original cost of the car. I love this car but justifying this cost is pretty hard.....

[@ichosethishandle]

I want to get a GR86 and supercharge that

[@Biggus63]

As tempting as it may be I'll stay with stock I reckon. I'm not all that disappointed with the car as is, but it has to be said that I live in country Australia and it's not my daily drive, so when I take it for a drive there is little stop and start stuff, and it's all about conserving momentum and being smooth which it does very well. Given the fact that it will do 130 kmh in third, 110kmh is the maximum open road speed here, and I live 20 km from the shops the incentive to be happy with what I have and keep my license is strong. It's got plenty of go for my needs.

[@johnw2698]

you really wanted the calsonic r32 eh

[@JayEmmOnCars]

It's what I remembered from the Gran Turismo games

[@maciekthepole]

The only car that would get me out of my Mx5.....

[@alansmilealot]

Me too, if they neverade the ND I would be interested in this even without the supercharger.

[@supamonkey25]

maciekthepole what about a boosted ND

[@maciekthepole]

@@supamonkey25 🤔 Yeah, but I would love one of the tin tops though

[@MadelnMachines]

If It was convertible I think they would steal a lot of MX5 customers. I'd like to see it in a folding hard top.

[@mr.wiggles7535]

The Cosworth supercharger was a proper kit and I loved mine. It's a shame they dropped out of the game.

[@RowdyGT]

Mr. Wiggles I have it on mine with the smaller pulley. Super fun and attracts attention at meets because of the name lol

[@mr.wiggles7535]

@@RowdyGT No

[@iconicon5642]

Tuning up is the thing in Japan. it's supposed to be tuned.

[@jonathonedwards6741]

A 1.9 205 GTI is what I’d buy for 20k and watch it increase.

[@gengleberry]

You could get 2 or 3 for that price!

[@joetaka7620]

Some people appreciate RWD over FWD.

[@mattheil6028]

add 600 for a supercharger? it cost a lot more than that.

[@barrettoliver2009]

I * gasp * like * gasp * this * gasp * review .

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks *laboured intake of breath, thanks evil hayfever*

[@barrettoliver2009]

@@JayEmmOnCars damn that's rough , I hope you find some better tablets soon .

[@mbappe7158]

Delicious steering...... Mmmm😛

[@Fee.1]

Also as for that kid calling you elderly, you’re like 3 years younger than me. I started to suspect as much but knew there wasn’t a big difference. May I inquire as to how you had the time/financial security to do youtube?

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Seven years of working in film, built up a big pile of kit which I sold. Basically out of money now though, hence working my arse off to make YT work

[@Fee.1]

JayEmm on Cars will you be in the USA anytime soon? I only ask because if so, meeting up with SavageGeese (the absolute best auto KZbin channel in existence). He makes automotive film reviews not just reviews. They’re pretty great. Anyway I think his audience would appreciate another genuine person to watch, even if you do things entirely differently Oh and he has solid Patreon support and I figured a little collab might help

[@JayEmmOnCars]

@@Fee.1 I'll be over there in a couple of weeks but I doubt Geese will be up for that

[@smilepermile888]

James, if there are any particular pages on those magazines that you'd want to know what they're talking about, i'm sure us subscribers can translate them for you

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks chap!

[@Dockhead]

i think you can get an app for your phone now that allows you to use your camera and it scans and translates the text for you. im not sure what its called or if its android or IOS only.

[@joetaka7620]

@@Dockhead Do you speak japanese well? Are you qualified enough to tell that those translation devices/sites/apps are good enough? I don't think you're aware about how bad most of these translating apps/sites are. These translation services often restructure the sentences in an unnatural way or take what you wrote to a completely different meaning.

[@joetaka7620]

​@@Dockhead I'm not going to answer your question because you didn't answer my questions. When did I say that its YOUR problem that he has Japanese car magazines? You're just being a butthurt armchair critic who clearly claims to be an 'expert' by putting words in my mouth you hopeless shitstain. You're just a delusional dumbfuck who's so gullible with these shitty translation services you ignorant gaijin.

[@SirLoinOfsteak85]

Shame there's no supercharger whine haha!

[@jamesthird8213]

987 Cayman

[@dnrg62]

Hey Jay ,lotus Elise vs this car which one ?cheersd

[@JayEmmOnCars]

For weekend fun, Elise. For daily duties and fun, GT86