Superhero Timelines Episode 12 : the Punisher

[@chrisclarke8117]

The Dolph Lundgren movie is underrated. The scene with Frank and Jake in the jail cell is awesome. Dirty Laundry was also great.

[@owie4070]

Hell yeah, man. Jake: "what the F you call 125 murders in 5 years?" Frank: "work in progress". I love that line!

[@GEEKICIDALTENDENCIES]

It was better in a Theater!

[@TheOther644]

Dirty Laundry was fantastic

[@BehindThePringles]

Punisher War Zone is ace. Totally over the top and I love it.

[@josephsawyer3982]

I agree. It was my favorite punisher movie.

[@christchex91]

Never better than the first movie with John Travolta best comic book villain representation ever

[@nahtblis]

War zone was the best. It was the only real punisher movie. Not just a movie with punisher elements like the others

[@Forcemaster2000]

Punisher Warzone was my favorite, loved it!

[@Dr.GmcGee2099]

Punisher WarZone,War Journals, and suicide run are my favorite comic runs. I love all three movies.

[@billwhipple9039]

Thank you for including dirty laundry

[@joshuawilliams6321]

War zone was awesome!!!! So underrated.

[@creatureslim]

I like that they mixed up the prop knives and Jane actually stabs Kevin Nash and it's actually the take they used.

[@seanwilkinson7431]

The Russian was played by Diesel/Big Sexy/Kevin Nash, who was also Super Shredder in TMNT 2. Also, Thomas Jane's Punisher appeared briefly as a BG character in Spider-Man 2

[@peterdanior4538]

I must have a Berenstein thing going with the first movie, because I always pictured Dolph with the skull logo on his shirt, even in the box art. It’s so weird to check and see that it was always just a plain black tshirt.

[@JCIce007]

If they reissued a version of the movie with the skull deepfaked onto his shirt, I wouldn't mind the change. I think there was some box art that had it, but of course box art often lies.

[@movietimelines]

as far as i can remember, the skull was never used, although i wouldn’t be surprised if a more recent re-issue went ahead and put it on their cover.

[@joesaint777]

I always described wanting a movie about the punisher but it's jaws. You dont actually see the punisher until the end and everything is from the point of view of the mobsters or whatever. Just like in the MAX series. Id love to see Baracuda on screen though.

[@LondraCalibro9]

crushing it as always - most underrated channel! Punisher Max fan too......

[@ryanfleming7650]

Ooh... first mention of Iron Eagle onscreen! It's getting ever-closer...

[@garyhall7867]

War Zone was pretty brutal. Loved it

[@JCIce007]

Apparently, Frank in the comics was heavily inspired by pulp novel vigilante known as The Executioner. I liked Ennis's Marvel Knights run on Punisher better than the Max stuff. It had more (dark) humor and Garth couldn't go quite as overboard with the unpleasant griminess. I hadn't seen that new comic design of the Punisher skill before. It looks like something out of Warhammer 40k. That song the assassin sings in the Tom Jane movie was later used by WWE in promotional material about The Undertaker. He might have even used it as part of his entrance once. Iron Eagle 1 and 2 are currently available on HBO Max! I found it amusing that the mission in Top Gun Maverick is similar to Iron Eagle 2's, just done better in every conceivable way.

[@wimvanderstraeten6521]

It's fitting that the Punisher first appeared during the Seventies, the decade of movies like Dirty Harry and Death Wish.

[@DarthPyrusTheVirus]

Thomas Jane Punisher was awesome, especially that unannounced short they made. THAT is a sequel so many want to see and probably won't due to him being older nowadays.

[@steverino6954]

I like Tom Jane, but I just couldn't buy such a nice guy as a grim, violent vigilante character.

[@RobbDorn]

Frank is the king of the Castle when it comes to comic vigilantes. Loved Dolph and Jane’s take on him in film form, though Stevenson was forgettable. Bernthal was also incredible on the TV show and may be the best version yet.

[@cloudsombrero]

Bernthal wasn't even punisher he was wolverine with guns

[@TravisDoesKayakFishing]

I really like my Dolph punisher. A gritty dying 80's action-style superhero movie before it was cool. As a kid I really wanted to see Robocop vs The Punisher on the big screen, still do. Bootleg universe is the second fav.

[@VonWenk]

The most interesting part of this video for me was hearing Phil Joaneau is still directing, and the controversy over cops and criminals adopting the Punisher logo. My favorite Punisher run is probably the Mike Baron/Whilce Portacio issues.

[@calumsanderson6741]

I'd own that if I were Marvel. By changing the logo that's almost bowing down to these morons. Though, I will say I vibe with the new skull.

[@shallendor]

Mack Bolan, the character that the Punisher is based on, is my favorite version of the Punisher!

[@furrybogard9724]

11:40 And I contributed to that 10 million and don't regret spending a dime on the ticket

[@JamiJR]

One correction, the superhero boom started with Blade, not X-Men. Right down to The Superhero Landing.

[@movietimelines]

this is true, although i admit that i tend to view Blade as a “based on a comic book” movie more than a “superhero movie”, although that’s just being pedantic really.

[@jkincaid582]

I'd daresay, while I think you are totally correct, and that Blade really started it all, I'm not sure how aware the general public was of the character. Even amongst the Marvel comic fans, he wasn't the most well-known character. Plus the movie played more like an action movie with vampires than anything. Starring one of the bigger action stars of the 90s. The sequels added more stuff in from the comics, with varying degrees of success.

[@kunonabi]

Favorite comic series is Armory for me. Personally, I love the Jane film as I think it's much better than the stuff it was adapting, Year One and Welcome Back Frank, and I'm not as attached to the Ennis run as most people are. It's actually one of my 10 favorite comic book movies. As 80's schlock the Lundgren film is pretty fun and I watched it a ton as a kid. I despise War Zone and the Netflix show which is a shame because he started out so strong in Daredevil season 2.

[@jamespierson6334]

I saw the first movie as a kid i like it the Netflix show was ok .and the comics I got my first issue in 1989 or 90 it's the one where he's shopping in a store and guys come into rob it I like the different genre timelines too hope you keep doing them

[@czmisfitsfan]

I actually loved War Zone and thought Ray Winstone was a good Frank.

[@CarlisleCultCinemaClub]

You mean Ray Stevenson

[@hitmanmonaghan6633]

So…….they planned on him spray painting a skull on a flack jacket. But the studio asked, “Why is he doing this now?” It was used for the year one comic. Some say they were gonna make a big budget film with an accurate costume.

[@SigmaSal9]

Loved Punisher back when he had 3 different monthly titles. I tend to like the stories where he succeeds through tactics and strategy rather than just creative murder. Just realized I basically said I like Punisher to be like Batman.

[@Soapcloud705]

I mean, technically a lot of the characters in the first Thomas Jane movie were based off of the Ennis run. Basically the whole apartment.

[@bobgunter9608]

It was based off of the marvel knights run but the movie had none of the dark comedy that run we have him punching a polar bear to make an attack them on the Russian becomes a cybernetic giant with tits and a lot of other crazy stuff including midgets that want to cut mobsters legs off to make the midgets themselves. It’s crazy it’s nuts it’s dark it’s funny it’s Garth Ennis

[@movietimelines]

pretty much. although pretty altered versions of them. Spacker Dave was the only one that was close to his comic form. Bumpo was somewhat similar, but Joan was not similar at all.

[@jackmackakaheavyguyhaiku545]

Dolph Lundgren and his portrayal of Frank Castle is so underrated. He would've made War Zone so much better. If they EVER make an Old Man Frank story, he's the ONLY man who can do it justice. He's far and away the best big screen Punisher yet. As far as your criticism, I agree. They need to do a grittier even more down and dirty Punisher film. War Zone is the closest we've gotten to that yet. As for other media, I really dig the Avengers Confidential: Black Widow and Punisher anime style cartoon movie. That did also cover ground from War Zone in that he killed SHIELD members... albeit under some kind of mind control.

[@michaelroque2662]

I would love to see a Punisher movie where the Punisher targets racists and terrorists using his symbol, as well as Cops using his symbol and tactics, just to be an F you to the people in real life who have adopted his symbol and completley missed the point of his character. But then again that could just inspire backlash, from people who again miss the entire point of the statement. But either way there should be a law that prevents the punisher symbol from being anywhere nere a precint or cop.

[@michaelroque2662]

My mother works for the CT State police, and i have been exposed to the good and bad sides of the justice system my whole life because of it. And it just pisses me off when I see a cop with the Punisher symbol on his desk or on there cruiser. I onced delivered a printer to a Boston precinct and saw the symbol framed at an officer's desk. I found that cop and his Master Sargent and berated both of them for the use of it and for allowing it at a place that is supposed to uphold the law. Probably not the smartest thing I have ever done, but I don't regrent it.

[@timothynovelo7569]

You said “Shane Walsh” as the actor that portrays The Punisher in the Netflix show but it is Jon Bernthal.

[@thefourmoodgroups2589]

Loving the Pinhead T.

[@lazydaze3134]

The Punisher Dirty Laundry is a fan made video with Thomas Jane. I dunno if you covered this one I'm about to go in and find out. I'll update afterwards. This was right on time brother. Update: Awesome vid man. You should definitely check out Punisher Dirty Laundry.

[@TimedRevolver]

Hey, at least they hired an actual singer to play the singing assassin Harry Heck. He was played by 90's country singer Mark Collie.

[@ChristopherDChasak]

Love all the videos and wondering where did you get the big boy hellraiser shirt from and again love all the videos and hope you and your family are doing well too ..thanks your friend and bro Christopher

[@movietimelines]

the big boy shirt was something i found at a Horror Flea Market out here. they had a bunch of different horror icons as the big boy, but i thought the pinhead one was the most appropriate!

[@ChristopherDChasak]

@@movietimelines ok so no website but thanks again for telling me

[@movietimelines]

i looked at the tag on the shirt, and it had the company name, and they DO have a site: www.cartelink.com/collections/dark-wave

[@scottyboyrulez]

Josh, The tv show Punisher was Jon Berenthal not Shane walsh

[@movietimelines]

i know, but Jon played Shane Walsh in Walking Dead and i have a running gag where i refer to actors as other notable roles they played.

[@scottyboyrulez]

@@movietimelines I know about your running gag but I didn't get it bc I don't watch the walking dead but I knew he was on it. It went right over my head lol

[@calumsanderson6741]

I had a brainfart because I was like "Shane Walsh isn't his name, did this guy fuck up?" then I remembered you call people by other roles they've been lmao

[@todddust564]

Since it's not 1987 anymore how about Franks character evolve away from fighting the Italian Mob stereotype and bring it into the real world where he fights MS13 and the drug cartels that control them. You know the ones responsible for a minimum of 100,000 deaths last year.

[@StarshineGoomba]

One of the many early 2000s comic adaptations that I know that I've seen... but remember nothing about. Haven't seen the other movies, though.

[@jahdorose8659]

Cool u did a video on this

[@jaysonthelucero5478]

I don't understand why Bob's Big Boy is Pinhead... but it's still rad.

[@movietimelines]

because his all beef patties are legendary….even in hell.

[@jackwells8107]

I liked the Punisher more or less as a villain (or anti-hero, if you prefer). I was very happy, in the early 80s, when they decided he was crazy, and he was arrested and locked up. I think I read at least some of the Ennis run, and it was okay, but If I'm going to read Ennis and Dillon, I'd rather re-read Preacher. On the other hand, I loved the Netflix series. Then again, I think Jon Bernthal is very underappreciated as an actor.

[@bobgunter9608]

I like both Garth Ennis runs the Marvel knights punisher and the punisher max

[@aaronkelly1762]

I haven't read the recent Punisher series, but from what I heard, the logo change is similar to when Daredevil joined The Hand; and they might change it back to the original when the series is done. With that said, I heard the new series is really good, and the reason Frank agreed to join The Hand is totally understandable.

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

The symbol change though was because of irl not just the usual comic story. It will probably get change in a few years when tensions die down.

[@mikeyfn-a6684]

I can't not see he seems to have missed a few cars in that final scene. WTF's up with the corner of the left eye? I hadda look up the official scene and yea that wonky eye is legit..🤨😜

[@samwill7259]

Should be making a Franken-Castle movie. Give Morbius a movie to be in that stupid and ridiculous on PURPOSE. Plus, Punisher as a Frankenstein's monster, what's not to like?

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

Morbius wasn't made dumb on purpose tho

[@samwill7259]

@@jesusramirezromo2037 Exactly. It was just dumb. make a franken castle movie, and they can let Morbius be stupid on purpose this time.

[@steverino6954]

My favorite comic version of Punisher is the Jim Lee stuff in Punisher War Journal. I never saw the Dolph Lundgren film, but I did see the other two. I wasn't crazy about the Tom Jane one, as he just doesn't sell the badass, vigilante type. The Ray Stevenson movie was great. Very violent and had Jigsaw in it. His skull logo could've looked better though. The Jon Bernthal show was great, but that actor is too southern for the role.

[@DefConprime28]

All the punisher movies can be taken place in a chronological order. Just different actors different locations and you just have to suspend a little bit of continuity and it really could all be worked out

[@supoa9489]

Nope

[@levishelley8018]

Before I even watch. Giving it thumbs up. I love super hero timelines.. what a great week

[@Blake-gh8xl]

All right I'll bring all the money as I have but I want to hear the cast

[@GEEKICIDALTENDENCIES]

Bravo

[@douglascarter2078]

Warzone all the way! The Tom Jane version is lame. Dolph is ok, it's Cannon, you can't expect too much. Awesome Hobo Dad joke by the way.

[@movietimelines]

I JUST WANT MY KIDS BACK!

[@ejdemeter]

DUDE, here did you get your shirt? Love it.

[@lonewolfjoshp5165]

I actually like all three films. I've yet to see the series.

[@CornPop2]

War Zone maybe the best comic movie ever. Idc fight me

[@kenbrovost9653]

The TV series gets pretty violent, I like Jon Bernthal as frank

[@doctabaldhead]

It is a bummer that right wing psychos have managed to co-opt the character. I am not a fan of the ninja move but at least he isn't an angel or Frankenstein's monster this time around. Anyway my favorite run is also Max followed by his old War Journel series. Kind of off topic but a good reccomendation for any fan of comic anti-heroes is the 1990 Foolkiller mini. It does a great job of showing the 'hero' as technically doing good things while also effectively becoming a villain.

[@movietimelines]

man was that Foolkiller series good. that was Gerber hitting on all cylinders.

[@thatdude5353]

Could you do a comedy timeline for the hangover

[@mondomacabromajor5731]

??? Fat? What does that mean? Ray Stevenson is an 'actor' that plays fat and fit characters - so what? ... Ray Stevenson is still the best looking Punisher and closest to the comics ... Thomas Jane turned down the role as the script was widely looked at as hot garbage, numerous directors had turned it down and public buzz was not very promising. Lionsgate basically dropped the uber-violent Warzone into the slow post-Thanksgiving time of the year (!!!) and barely promoted it as they were more focused on the release of Transporter 3 - go figure... I still think it is the best of the three Punisher films with Dolph second and Jane last ....

[@joe3019772008]

only punisher, luke cage and iron fist were the only marvel netflix shows killed after 2 seasons, daredevil and jessica jones both end after 3 seasons for both their shows. defenders which took all 5 characters even though punisher wasn't in it that much ended after one season. the punisher comics have gone through so many changes over the years even now, punisher is now cosmic ghost rider. unless he isn't anymore. i really don't know these days cause i gave up on marvel comics after their garbage story arcs happened.

[@racheladamjuliewhite]

never say die chappie sinclair

[@anthonydundon9859]

Can you do the Spider-Man timeline

[@redkittyproject]

No mention of "The Executioner" books that became "Mack Bolan" that was the actual inspiration for "The Punisher". So disappointed.

[@lostinthemasses]

Josh have you ever seen Punisher '66?

[@movietimelines]

i haven’t. but i looked it up and looks pretty fun.

[@lostinthemasses]

@@movietimelines Yeah it's just a comedy sketch, it's fucking hilarious though. Dude totally could have done a whole series of them.

[@jazcc]

As a New Yorker that accent is very insulting

[@jazcc]

Yeah my husband is one of those fanboys… Ugh

[@movietimelines]

i mean, i am too, so i'm not really throwing stones. lol

[@DaReelMJ713]

So much hate from 03 lol it was a a good film no need to be negative now Warzone that one was trash lmao

[@Tharsos2099]

Personally, never been a fan of the Punisher. Always seemed like one of those overrated characters who never really evolved past the 80s and just should have stayed there.

[@TheOther644]

The best Punisher actors for me is Jon Bernthal, Dolph Lundgren and Thomas Jane.

[@steverino6954]

Ummm...those are the ONLY Punisher actors.

[@TheOther644]

@@steverino6954 I left out Ray Stevenson, he was ok but doesn't really make my list.

[@steverino6954]

@@TheOther644 Funny, I actually liked him the best out of the four. (Though I still don't think we've had the definitive, live action Punisher yet.)