SUPERMAN (78) vs MAN OF STEEL: Why One Worked the Other Didn't - SCENE FIGHTS

[@ScreenCrush]

What did you think of Man of Steel?

[@bryanheilman4376]

Loved it

[@JacksonLane02]

I think it's fine could've veen better but could've been worse

[@kraigpearlman3283]

Man of Steel was excellent. Felt more "modern" but in a good way instead of a pearl-clutching, completely sanitized way. Criticisms of typical Zach Snyder tropes aside, this movie wasn't as full of the issues plaguing anything recent from Snyder. The score was really good, and the special effects were fantastic. The cast was amazing as well. It doesn't bother me one bit that he ended up killing Zod, because he was protecting people while he did it. That feels like a thing Superman could and should do, and I don't understand that criticism from people who don't like that movie or that version of Superman.

[@calbert630]

It's one of the few movies I've left the theater and said " I think I hated this movie" By the end of the movie I was on Zod's side. He was trying to save his people from extinction. Then he encounters this teenage punk trying to commit genocide against his people by eliminating their only way of reproducing.

[@eugenevincent145]

Disappointing

[@LydRitz]

Ryan’s comment at the end about Superman ‘78 being the person we wish we could be, but Man of Steel is the Superman we actually are… Wow, that’s an uncomfortable truth.

[@nickperkins8477]

For me, that’s exactly why Man Of Steel is extremely good. Plus, we had seen Richard Donner and Christopher Reeve. It was 35 years later, and I was expecting a new tone.

[@jbridge7962]

It is an uncomfortable truth, but I think what he is saying is, superman is here to inspire us up! If it's an uncomfortable truth, then tomorrow do something tomorrow that clark would do! You can be a hero tomorrow for someone! I know I haven't been the most selfless person, but tomorrow I want to try to do one thing that would make Christopher reeves smile from beyond

[@LydRitz]

@@jbridge7962 I agree! Love this.

[@martinvasquez818]

For many, it is. This is why we look up to characters like Superman 78. And we CAN be more like him, but like man of steel, we choose not to....

[@richardb6260]

In another comment section, someone mentioned that Zack Snyder should direct the next Spider-Man movie. I said he'd have Uncle Ben telling Peter that "Responsibility is overrated. Do what ever you want to do".

[@dgelpin]

😂😂😂😂

[@dobi287]

Clearly you missed the point of all Jon's lessons bc being responsible and thinking BIG PICTURE was at the core of everyone he said.

[@Vendetta-w3f]

And so Peter keeps missing the part where that’s his problem

[@asyouwish3636]

haha so true

[@coreyburns4168]

​@dobi287 you mean like when he told Clark to let those kids die???

[@GregsGameRoom]

Fantastic teardown, I think you verbalized what a lot of us thought about these two movies. Christopher Reeves’s Superman is the ideal we should be striving towards.

[@PSingletary]

This is the best ScreenCrush video essay I have seen. The explanation and education of not just the movies and directors but also how the movies were a product of their time. I hope to see more like this.

[@Fenris30]

Bullshit he misinterpreted a bunch of stuff so much that if this was a court procedure he get an objection for leading testimony. Personally I'd rather a Superman who chooses to be a hero rather then one who feels obligated to be one. It being an obligation seems kinda fanatical to me. Like he sees us as Pets he has to take care of which is very Silverage in attitude. Look no further then Peter Parker a guy who feels obligated to be a Hero and all the chaos he generates for himself and others. Modern Supermans see themselves as just a dude with these Superpowers who just wants to help in any way he can and that's what Man of Steel was.

[@theanonymouscritic1710]

That is way off.

[@papayacatproductions]

I always assumed Superman screamed after killing Zod because of how inherently tragic it is that he finally met his people and he had to murder one of them to save humanity. That seemed very emotionally honest to me and I never understood why everyone hated the snap so much. But yeah, I agree, Snyder is an individualistic bro.

[@motor4X4kombat]

I never hate that moment ... what i hated was the scene after where they act like nothing happen and acted like everything was a happy ending. Its kinda like if the huge "i am your father moment" of empire was followed by. "Hey han and leia! Whats you guys up going? Me nothing new. Now lets get all our socks and beat the empire once and for all" *roll credits* It just sucks aways all the drama and shock if you don't commit to the tragedy. Batman vs superman might correct this at the begging, maybe you could argue it over correct making batman steal screen time from sups, but even then the first thing he does superman was killing a man with no mercy (sure he had Lois as a hostage, sure because melting that gun with his eye ray or literally grabing that gun faster than the speeding bullet is for the weaks) making zod death completly pointless if superman learn Jack shit from this. Making it the walking definition of cheap shock value if it dosn't add anything to the story.

[@johnmagowan6393]

This is Screen Crush and Ryan at their absolute best.. and DOUG! Doug too!

[@dangerfly]

So their best is conveniently forgetting that Superman kills Zod at the end of Superman 2?

[@johnmagowan6393]

@@dangerfly they weren't talking about 2

[@dangerfly]

@@johnmagowan6393 So just like MAGA yearn for the good ol' days where racism/sexism was rampant? Make superheroes great again even if the past wasn't so great?

[@dangerfly]

@@johnmagowan6393 Ignore the truth if it makes you wrong?

[@johnmagowan6393]

@@dangerfly title literally says Superman 78. Be well.

[@annettelouise6781]

yes totally agree. Superman is about inspiring us, not a psychological dilemma to be solved.

[@isuriadireja91]

It CAN be....IF done right. It'd require a writer/director with actual intellect on that stuff, which zack snyder has NONE. He can't even tell any original story right. His best works have been PANEL-TO-PANEL adaptations.

[@scottcampbell9515]

This is my favorite video you have done. Please repost this often. As far as the movies the final act against Zod was the beginning of me checking out of the DCEU, and your point on what Cap portrayed in the MCU is 100% spot on. The commentary about social media was really great as well, and I needed to hear it today. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[@alfredborden5675]

I personally prefer when Reeve took Zod's powers away, put him in a chokehold, break every bone in his hand, then threw him against the walls of the Fortress of Solitude down to an icy crevice.

[@ii-mp1sp]

@@alfredborden5675 By the way, did you know that Superman also killed Zod in the comics?

[@ParentsNightIn]

This is a perfect analysis of why MOS doesn’t work. You nailed it, even down to pointing out that MCU Captain America is precisely the hero MOS Superman should’ve been. Superman shouldn’t be cynical or selfish or a reflection of what humanity is, he should be an ideal for us to strive toward, which is ironically what MOS Jor-El wants for him that he somehow never learns to be.

[@amyhammerschlag]

Hey I really appreciated this post Ryan. You’re completely right that we are becoming so obsessed with our microcosms we are losing sight of “greater good”. Don’t let the haters hate get to you. It takes effort to not be small minded and many don’t put forth the effort and reflect.

[@seanleon2766]

I love Christopher Reeve's Superman film more because it brought heart and had charm. His Superman is the best adapted version, in my personal opinion.

[@christophergraphia4698]

I agree with you 100% cinematically, as well as Reeve’s portrayal of our boy in blue. But have you seen Superman and Lois?? By FAR the best written, most sincere and honest portrayal of what Superman is. And don’t get me wrong, I think Hoechlin is superb in the role, but to have seen Chris Reeve portray how THAT Superman and Clark were written…man, I’d give just about anything to have seen that.

[@Thundarr100]

I share your opinion 100%. I wish that Christopher Reeve had never had his accident so that he could have portrayed Superman several more times before his career ended.

[@dangerfly]

Do you also love that Superman kills Zod at the end of Superman 2?

[@seanleon2766]

@@dangerfly I saw a cut of the film where General Zod was not killed and was arrested by the science police. We don't have a similar cut for Zack Snyder's Superman film.

[@dangerfly]

@@seanleon2766 Did that cut also show Zod's mangled hand? Does it warm your heart that Superman tricked Zod into holding his hand just so he could pulverize every bone in his hand then throw him?

[@Sigdriffa]

I'm disappointed that you didn't mention that Superman 78 has the superior musical theme (Thank you John Williams).

[@TESORO-b1x]

That goes without saying.

[@chrisszostek6700]

13:24. 13:47

[@kerry-j4m]

I thought Man of Steel has the superior musical sound-tracks,I still listen to them till this day.

[@geribaldi2]

Totally with you on this. Superman not based on selfish sinisicm but based on hope and optimism...frankly and especially right now this is what WE NEED

[@clintrixxfoley9509]

i agree with so much of this. MOS just didn't feel like a superman movie the same way Superman 1978 did. Unpopular opinion: Superman Returns 2006 was a good superman movie!

[@brycevincent8874]

I agree Superman Returns while not perfect is a good movie

[@Spider-Man4266]

I disagree with Superman Returns being a good movie because the people that they’ve casted with the exception of Brandon Routh and the guy who played Jimmy Olsen in that movie were entirely miss cast in the movie. Man of Steel was Superman if he was an immigrant and Jesus at the same time.

[@NZArchie]

Absolutely agree. Brandon Routh did a fantastic job of following in the footsteps of Christopher Reeves. Bryan Singer did an incredible job of following Richard Donner's work with a decent explanation of why there was such a large gap between movies.

[@DrewBoivie]

I thought Superman Returns was great...but was incredibly disappointed that they went back to the Lex Luthor well once again. /yawn If they didn't have Luthor in another Superman title in my lifetime I would be quite pleased.

[@kerry-j4m]

@@Spider-Man4266 Superman is an immigrant,no,really he's an alien pretending to be human.

[@marcusyates3044]

Superman 78 is more optimistic and hopeful like Superman should be

[@norkvankats5416]

I agree 💯 👍

[@dragonnet289]

I don't agree with that

[@gohanson27]

Superman 78 is about Superman hence the title. Its hilarious when folks call Man of Steel a bad Superman film. Like that kill their whole opinion in itself lol

[@dangerfly]

There's nothing interesting about a kantian Superman who never has to make difficult decisions. Fans like Ryan do not understand philosophy so they have no idea what kind of horrors they're promoting. Cartoon logic works for kids, but adults need complexity to be engaged.

[@aircap]

Exactly, not everything has to be gritty

[@SonofRaa]

The whole handling of Jonathan Kent is where he lost me. Clark's earth parents were essential to his moral compass. To have Pa Kent tell his son "f those kids" was wild to me. And the whole tornado death scene was so contrived. With all the chaos going around, how many people would have questioned Clark running out to save anyone. No, Jonathan forces his wife and son to basically watch him commit suicide in front of them and countless others.

[@alfredborden5675]

Clark asked him what he should have done ...should he have let them die. Jonathan says "I don't know maybe" while looking away worried what he did might catch the government's attention.

[@princesspeach607]

That death scene totally took me out of the movie. Like what kid thinks well, I might face some difficult problems if my secret is revealed, better that my dad dies. What’s the moral there? Avoid your problems as long as possible, even at the cost of your loved ones?

[@theanonymouscritic1710]

@SonofRaa He never said “F those kids.” He said “maybe” because he’s human and doesn’t have all the answers to Clark’s questions. 🤦‍♂️ Only a primitive mind like yours would fail to see the nuances. Also the tornado scene was not contrived.

[@ShadowStylez]

This video spoke to me, not just as an individual, but as a member of humanity. It feels very thoughtful and even philosophical at times. Thank you for making this. It makes me want to view the world in its entirety as part of my own motivations, and not just the tiny specs of dirt that I frequent.

[@mohammedmusaib4862]

I love the way u dont just criticise zack just provide a window of his personal believes..... Respect

[@richardb6260]

The internet is Pandora's Box. Once opened, it released the worst plagues on humanity. Except we didn't get the Hope that was included in the original.

[@Subject_Keter]

Just make your own hope. 😂

[@mx9226]

I’m not the biggest fan of Man of Steel, but I do think Henry Cavill was a perfect choice for Superman.

[@richardb6260]

People who criticize MoS get called "Cavill haters". But that isn't true at all. He would have been fine with a less cynical director. I think my favorite Cavill/Superman moment is the race with the Flash at the the end of the theatrical Justice League.

[@jamesgarrett8833]

Henry Cavill was a good Superman in a terrible Superman movie storyline

[@johnwilson8482]

Cavill was a great choice for Superman; Snyder was not.

[@Brakdayton]

@@johnwilson8482Snyder was possibly the worst choice. Zero optimism. Zero joy.

[@kerry-j4m]

I LOVED Man of Steel ( saw it at the cinema ) I think the film is-GREAT-and the sound track is-AMAZING. I also think MOS is the best SUPES movie ofall time.

[@robbiethepict2783]

Superman scream when he's too late to save Lois Lane and turns back time. He will always be my superhero.

[@gohanson27]

This is proof all films are subjective. I think thats the most selfish thing a hero can do, turn back time to save a crush? Not knowing what it will do to Earth? That scene alone is one of the main reason I don't hold the 78 Superman as anything special. No consequences for his actions throughout the film which is a cop out of being Superman.

[@reptomicus]

@@gohanson27 No, it's he chose the values of his human father over his Kryptonian father.

[@dangerfly]

Yeah, but who will save Zod after Superman crushes his hand kills him in Superman 2? That's your idea of a superhero?

[@Vendetta-w3f]

Screaming over Zod’s death is Strange

[@bossmine3997]

​@@Vendetta-w3fit's so strange that he was devastated after having to kill Zod

[@jonwilliams916]

This was a WONDERFUL video. I couldn't think of a better breakdown/comparison. Well done

[@ResurrectedBrush]

How many times does it need to be said? Superman does NOT "reverse the rotation of the Earth." That scene is a representation of Superman reversing TIME.

[@richardb6260]

Just like he did in the comics at the time. As Superboy he regularly traveled to the 30th century to join the Legion of Superheroes.

[@bshaddo]

I don’t think the video suggests the wrong thing.

[@stevenpurtee5062]

I just said the same thing.

[@AGofWaterTribe]

Babe, wake up! ScreenCrush just dropped straight FIRE

[@calbert630]

I guessed about 1 hour into the movie that Snyder would just kill Zod in cold blood instead of having a creative ending. So I wasn't surprised. Killing Zod might have had some impact if Superman and Zod didn't just kill thousands punching each other right before.

[@misterverb8251]

Same here. The narrative was on that heading from Zod's landing in Smallville. I would only bristle at your description of Zod's death as 'cold-blooded'. It was the act of a man forced into a position he was neither emotionally equipped or experienced enough tactically to handle. Not only was Clark deeply conflicted before, but clearly following the 'snap'. I would hardly describe this as 'cold-blooded'. In the words of the maestro Inigo, "...I do not think this word means what you think it means."

[@cg1704]

I'm pretty sure killing someone who is trying to murder a family isn't killing "in cold blood"

[@bshaddo]

Or if it was his third appearance, and we knew who Superman was in the context of this world. We never really see this character even become the symbol of hope or heroic example the movie wants him to be. If it’s not Mommy Martha or New Mommy Lois, he just makes lifting a finger to help people seem like an annoying chore.

[@dangerfly]

@@cg1704 Comic fans aren't nerds. True nerds would know what the 'Trolley Problem' is and its significance to ethics. If only information was free on the internet...

[@jackchong5324]

Yeah... I found that weird too. Sup's... you just killed thousands of people in that tumble with Zod. Its that moment in Invincible with Omniman putting Invincible's face through a subway train of people.

[@jeffhaddox2239]

I think your Captain America comparison is good , Steve didn’t care what anyone thought about him being a “ Boy Scout” he leaned into it. Clark shouldn’t be the Brooding one that’s Bruce’s role. ZoD should have been saved for Man of Steel II , which should have been before Batman vs Superman, we didn’t have time too like the character, Lois finds out who Superman is , before even meeting Clark. Everyone wants to tear down the idea of Superman, that’s why all the Homelander type characters are so prevalent now, because of what we would do with that kind of power , not what Clark would do. ‘78 Superman shows what it took to break Clark’s restraint, only when the people he loves are threatened will he bow too selfishness to break a rule. Man of Steel’s Clark is a reflection of Snyder’s dystopian vision.

[@redcomet0079]

He’s the difference: cap is a man Kal-El is an alien

[@StareachValcin]

​@@redcomet0079Regardless of his alien origins, Superman is no less of a man than Captain America. If you don't know that, then you are just ignoring Superman's humanity for a flawed assessment.

[@redcomet0079]

@@StareachValcin get a job

[@Luke-castellan123._]

​@@redcomet0079get a life

[@Luke-castellan123._]

​@@redcomet0079get a life

[@benjaminforman8901]

I remember seeing Superman in the theater. It was 78 so I guess I was 6 at the time. The Lois death scene, Superman screaming, and then flying around the Earth to reverse time (with no score below it, mind you) was incredibly profound to me. I never forgot that breathless feeling. And I didn't even like DC, I was a Marvel kid!😄

[@Soulman-lb3gg]

Obviously John Williams is the GOAT of movie scores. But Hans Zimmer is no slouch...

[@ii-mp1sp]

Hell, I like Man of Steel because I'm not American and I was born in Eastern Europe so Superman 1978 was never shown here unlike Man of Steel and the 1996 animated series. So let's hate and wish me bad Circassians that I'm not like you.

[@wesmurrell8272]

Your analyses are always insightful. They help me think about storytelling in constructive ways.

[@krob528]

I love this! This is absolutely the best take I’ve heard since Man of Steel came out. Superman wasn’t right in that movie. Superman isn’t a product of his time… he’s gotta be above and beyond his time. Superman 78 is the tone Superman should be regardless of what people of today want.

[@alfredborden5675]

Then where were the real Superman fans for Superman Returns? 🍿 💰

[@Jim-Mc]

Yeah people forget Superman '78 did not act like a guy from 1978 and that was the point.

[@billymoore7182]

Christopher Reeve is the best live action Superman to embrace the big screen. His Superman show the audience who Superman really is, while Cavill's Superman showed the audience how they would preserve him if he were real. Both movies are very interesting but Superman 1978 I feel had the better story. It's the movie who got me started with Superman while Kevin Conroy got me started with Batman with the 90s animated series. Christan Bale would later bring that similar take with The Dark Knight Trilogy but in a more realistic world. That's why Christopher Reeve and Christan Bale are my top favorite live action Batman and Superman.

[@mikeymeaty]

Ever since I watched man of steel, I had a hard time liking any DC films from synderverse. Your points and comparisons are wonderfully articulated. Thank you for making this video.

[@justCarrie7]

There's no superman movie without the superman music. My biggest disappointment with man of steel versions

[@richardb6260]

I can't even remember the Zimmer score. But I was humming the Williams score while leaving the theater.

[@BadBoy-cp9lp]

That piano in man of steel it’s so good

[@marcusyates3044]

Justice League Dark VS Multiverse of Madness! Superhero Horror Stories! The Super Mario Bros. Movie VS Sonic the Hedgehog 2! Love and Thunder VS Fury of the Gods! Thor VS Shazam!

[@iWrick8111]

I think another big difference between the Johnathan death scenes is that in Superman 78 he says that with all his powers and he couldn't save his father. There was nothing he could do to help him, however in MoS he could have saved Johnathan easily from the tornado. To me it felt the impact of his feelings that as powerful as he is there are just some things that are beyond him.

[@MrMann0123]

Chris Reeves... man hearing you talk about it... this sort of thing always brings a tear.

[@richardmark9161]

Reeve. No S on his name. I heard somewhere that Christopher Reeve really had an issue with people saying Reeves instead of Reeve. I totally understand that feeling. I hate when people call me Richard Marx instead of Mark. I also think he had an issue with people comparing him to the original TV Superman, George Reeves (with an S) I’m sure he didn’t like being associated with that George’s tragedy even on a subconscious level.

[@jackchong5324]

My friend came up with a term for Internet haters a long time ago. He called them Code Warriors because they act all tough with the anonymity of the Internet but are too cowardly to say that to someone's face. Superman [78] is my Superman. Let's try to be the best that we can be and treat each other with kindness and do what's right instead of being super selfish. I didn't know that Christopher Reeve was a pilot. His flying is so good. Even after all these decades.

[@quincyjones725]

I’m surprised you didn’t make the tie in on how the movie was shot also. That lifeless tone all throughout is the underscore to your point of MOS.

[@jamesm.6166]

BEST...SCREENCRUSH....SEGMENT...EVER. As a pastor and huge comic fan, I totally agree with the difference between the two Supermen and inspiration does matter. In such a divided climate where no one simply has conversations with one another to peacefully discuss differences, the 78 Superman reminded us that we all have value as humans and are united in the world. Hope is a real thing. Thanks for the great content.

[@obredaanps3]

Superman '78 wanted to make us care about a literal god that can fly in a blue/red suit. MOS took the cynical approach and wanted a Superman that doubts himself and humanity. Its easy to see why Superman '78 remains popular to this day compared to MOS which is routinely mocked. Pa Kents death in Superman '78 is perfect. Pa Kents death in MOS is a laugh out loud moment that makes you question the lack of intelligence behind the camera.

[@ii-mp1sp]

Hell, I like Man of Steel because I'm not American and I was born in Eastern Europe so Superman 1978 was never shown here unlike Man of Steel and the 1996 animated series. So let's hate and wish me bad Circassians that I'm not like you.

[@chartaiwan]

Great job examining that scene with Louis. God. We don’t see that anymore

[@gabrielmurray929]

Honestly the fact that you hadn't done this one before made me assume it was being saved for when Gunn's movie would come out since it seemed to be one of the most obvious scene fights ever.

[@lookinforthe70s]

With the split screen. it exposes how even with better technology, the modern films seem more claustrophobic. The older films seems to give more space. Seem to stoke your imagination more. With the modern films everything seems to be right on top of you.

[@windmachineproductions]

This is one your best videos ever. A magnum opus if you will. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I remember walking out of Man of Steel in cinema feeling quite hollow. It didn’t ‘feel’ like the Superman I knew. I get what Snyder was trying to achieve but it just didn’t resonate.

[@brentonbishop6621]

Love man of steel, I definitely feel like they screwed up getting rid of Henry

[@duhg599]

It’s fine to have superheroes that reflect who we are, but I also want a superhero we can aspire to be like. And that’s Superman.

[@mydoggylives]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 EXCELLENT video, sir! Nail on the head!

[@larrygm18]

Your take is spot on! Superman 78 is my favorite superhero movie too! I wish that the new DCU would give us a live version of the Super Friends with good plots and character formations.

[@ii-mp1sp]

Hell, I like Man of Steel because I'm not American and I was born in Eastern Europe so Superman 1978 was never shown here unlike Man of Steel and the 1996 animated series. So let's hate and wish me bad Circassians that I'm not like you.

[@emilioslouca2430]

Spot on, Arey!! Well done, sir. Every single point was spot on. I hope james gunns version will cement Snyders Ayn Rand Superman in its place. Cavills great still.

[@wirelesmike73]

I'm gonna keep this short and sweet... I agree with you on this, 100%. I've never cared for Snyders take on Superman, or any of the other Snyderverse films. Only now do I understand why... Ayn Rand. That explains soooo much.

[@NyahJustice]

Ohhh I get it Superman '78: saves everyone except Lois=sacrificing his own happiness for the greater good Man of Steel: metropolis is destroyed but he saves Lois=vis verse Great video!

[@TheKeithterry]

I agree, the way Pa Kent dies in Man of Steel is moronic.

[@dstavrianos]

Snyder is a cynic. There was no joy in Man of Steel. Donner and Mankiewicz were optimists. They saw Superman as an allegory of what we could all aspire to be. I’m wondering where this new reboot will take us. Hopefully, a place with awe and wonder.

[@ii-mp1sp]

Hell, I like Man of Steel because I'm not American and I was born in Eastern Europe so Superman 1978 was never shown here unlike Man of Steel and the 1996 animated series. So let's hate and wish me bad Circassians that I'm not like you.

[@LeeB41]

Thank you for this video. From the first second I saw Cavill as Superman; I couldn't stand him as the character, and I didn't know why. Just could not figure out what it was. But you just explained it perfectly.

[@SS4Luxray]

When Zach had Superman turn his back on humanity in BvS, it annoyed me so much because regardless of how much humanity hates him, he’d NEVER give up on humanity because of the love he has for Lois, his parents, Jimmy and just humanity in general. He was raised by humans with pure and unconditional love so Clark and Superman both that pure and unconditional love for humanity. I’m not saying we shouldn’t have a flawed Superman/Clark who makes morally gray decisions, however, those decisions should still be within the scope of who the character is and not a deconstruction of a beloved character because you think it’d be cool or edgy, that’s a completely new character you’ve created which is why ppl couldn’t connect with DCEU Superman on a mass scale.

[@apocraphontripp4728]

I saw it when I was a kid in the movie theater and that going around the Earth thing didn't make any sense to me back then either, yet it is, I'd say, the most powerful scene in any superhero movie.

[@franknovella2345]

i love that dog. i was just skipping through the video looking for him

[@roromad9603]

geesh man. this hit hard. a really deep and important video. great job ryan.

[@michaelrfx7]

We need Man of Steel 2!! With Henry!

[@michaeljaymarshall]

Good video. I grew up watching the OG Superman and he was my favorite. I get why people don't like Man of Steel, but I really l like that one too. I'm glad you at least understood where Snyder was coming from.

[@erikhall23]

It's my favorite superman movie, and superman is also my favorite SH

[@squiresphone]

I think these long form magazine type videos would be great supplement to your podcast if released later after video views start to drop

[@michaelwampole8588]

LOVE the side by side comparison. More like this please. Thumbs up!

[@flashfrozen64]

Thoughtful and well made video, thanks Ryan!

[@pedromaldonado1984]

I have never agreed more with any video I’ve seen on KZbin specially the Jonathan Kent death and the way he killed Zod.

[@vincentvoillot6365]

IMO the real big difference is Jonathan Kent Death ! One teach a lesson, no matter how powerful you are, fate is beyond your control, you are not God. And the other, it is okay to let your father die for no reason under the cover of "protecting your secret". You are a god walking among men after all. And Richard Donner is a competent filmmaker, Zack Snyder is a juvenil hack

[@gohanson27]

Wow thats what you got from both scenes? Thats interesting. From MOS I got "choice". When does Clark act to save others and when shouldn't he act to save others. I thoughts everyone understood that scene was a play on the choices Clark makes with his powers.

[@mediumvillain]

​​@@gohanson27in typical Snyder fashion it's done in a way that he thought would look iconic & cool rather than a way that makes rational sense under examination or serves the purpose of the narrative (well, it sorta fits his narrative, the revisionist Superman, but not even really that since the decision not to save him to preserve his secret is made for him). He had him die in a way where Clark could have intervened but is told not to instead of a way where he was truly powerless to save him, rewriting Superman from 'you have an obligation to help people' into a dumb libertarian 'look out for yourself first' lesson. It's very Great Man Superman, as has been the thesis of SC's largely correct critique of Man of Steel all along.

[@gohanson27]

@@mediumvillain but isn't that the same thing Donner did? My problem with the '78 Superman film is that he tels and show us on one hand Superman can't save everyone but on the other hand he saves Lois Lane a woman he just met with h reversing time by spinning the earth backwards. He didn't know what affect it would have on the world but selfishly did it to save his crush. I think that was sloppy and a cop out of Superman making choices. But I guess that wasn't the theme of Donner film. Donner more looked at the power of Superman while Zack focused on the choices Clark makes to become Superman. I get where both directors were coming from on but I think both were done sloppy.

[@mediumvillain]

@@gohanson27 I mean ppl have been making fun of Superman reversing time in that scene for quite a long time. I'm definitely not arguing on behalf of Donner's Superman being immaculate.

[@jamesgarrett8833]

@@gohanson27also Superman reversing time was something Donner was going to used in a Superman movie, but it wasn’t going to be the first movie. The sequence was original going to be used in the second movie. Richard Donner was filming both Superman I & II at the same time. Some days they were filming scenes for the first movie and on other days, they would film scenes for the second movie. Eventually Donner ran out of money and so in order to have a finished first Superman movie; some scenes filmed for movie II were now included as part of the first Superman movie

[@GloriaGraceRand]

Thank you for this honest appraisal. I was so disappointed in man of steel. Chris reeve's superman is still the best. I agree with you that the idealism of 78s version is preferred. But hey, im 61 and not the target audience for man of steel anyway.

[@kennethmiller9346]

Superman is like the friend you like to visit man of steel is like that grumpy uncle who gets drunk during the holidays who complains about everything and just not pleasant to be around.

[@BrunaoJurassicast]

Thank you Ryan. I needed this.

[@JdeeGeekyGao]

This. My bro is a MoS fan and I just hate that movie and Snyder for how he treated Superman. Cavill is the perfect Superman casting for our era, but Snyder just messed it up. When my bro asked me why, I used the points listed. MoS is a bad Superman representation for the modern era. When I heard Snyder was attached I was excited cause 300, Watchmen, I really enjoyed those movies, but this was not it. I wanted a Superman movie not a desaturated man movie.

[@ii-mp1sp]

Hell, I like Man of Steel because I'm not American and I was born in Eastern Europe so Superman 1978 was never shown here unlike Man of Steel and the 1996 animated series. So let's hate and wish me bad Circassians that I'm not like you.

[@jaysworld5378]

I feel like Jor-El pronouncing Krypton the way he did, made it more awesome, like that is how it is actually supposed to be pronounced.

[@alfredowaltergutierrezmald834]

I loved your video! I also love Superman 78, my favorite superhero movie of all time

[@jamesfejt5041]

Thank you Screen Crush for this video big fan of the channel. I’m also a huge Superman fan and I could not agree with this video more. Thank you I feel Man of Steel miss represented Superman so badly I’m glad to see the view of Superman changing again finally I think ‘My Adventures with Superman’ & ‘Superman and Lois’ have brought him back to the hero he’s always been & away from this individual first Ayn Rand nightmare verison

[@Vendetta-w3f]

Zack Snyder shows what Superman could be(Like Turning Evil) and Superman 78 shows what Superman should be

[@TheDarksweeney]

I said this less eloquently when the film came out. Thank you.

[@OogwayGames]

I liked both movies/ versions of superman! But I like the cartoon versions more... Maybe it's just me 🤔😂

[@SS4Luxray]

I’m sorry but that first Avengers might be the greatest comic book movie of all time just in terms of pure entertainment value. Great writing, great villain, great character dynamics, VFX still look great, score is iconic, legendary scenes and quotes and that 360 shot defined 2010s blockbusters. Yeah that movie is GOATED just based off that short Hulk clip 😭😭😭😭

[@jedipath]

I’m really curious about what you thought about Superman Returns

[@stevenpurtee5062]

I put Superman Returns up there with Superman and Superman II

[@MrMann0123]

The Zod snap is right from the comics. Lots of ret cons but he killed to stop Zod... later ret conned to "a powerful alien" and whilst it haunted him he could live with it. There is a great exchange between Bruce and Clark. Bruce thinks they are the same on this, Clark stopped him killing Joker, but then he admits what he did.

[@M0RGAT0RY]

I checked out during the tearless crying scene, too. I love Cavill, and he WAS a great Superman; but the director, Zach Snyder, really tried to reinvent Superman

[@julianschecter]

Well said, Ryan! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 The Man of Steal movie version goes against everything that Superman stands for. He is not supposed to be a realistic character, he is an ideal that we should all strive for. And by the way, not all human beings are bad, people can be flawed and still be noble. Take the characters of Babylon 5, the main characters are deeply flawed people, yet they are good, decent, and noble. And if you haven't seen that show yet, I highly recommend it! 👍🏻 I look forward to seeing more of your insightful videos! You just earned a new subscriber! 😎

[@dynaguy3]

To be fair to Snyder, most of Man of Steel’s problems come from Goyer’s script. Nolan and Goyer developed the story before Snyder was even hired

[@alfredborden5675]

Don't tell people that. It's easier for them to blame everything on Snyder. Just like WB forcing him to do BVS instead of man of steel 2

[@ii-mp1sp]

By the way, did you know that Superman also killed Zod in the comics? He even discussed it with Specter, that Zod left him no choice.

[@KevinGeeksOut]

Such good insight about what the '78 film did well (and how well Christopher Reeve did it.) You really get to the heart of Superman, with a deep understanding of who he is -- and why he was created. Excellent job.

[@roblough3314]

The 1978 film is one of my favourite movies of all time. I really like Man of Steel too.

[@freddynunez1325]

I love this video! That's so perfect. Superman to me is best exemplified by his kindness. It is the part of that character I have always loved. He is kind, and that's his ultimate power. I love this video perfect!

[@1KGB]

You're right.

[@bradleyclonch2279]

You forget in 78 he goes through years of isolated training. That doesn't happen in Man of Steel, he's figuring it out as he goes so he's actually more of a super boy in that he hasn't any experience.

[@brycevincent8874]

Superman (78) is amazing in so many ways

[@buka.a]

I will always love Man of Steel. I think it was wrongly criticized. But you raised good points here. Cheers. Edit: also you can criticize whatever you want in Man of Steel, but effects shouldn’t be one of them. That movie had some of the best effects in a superhero movie and those effects still hold up today

[@plasticfrank]

People say Snyder is style over substance because they don't want think about Snyder's substance.

[@ThorneIdentity]

the first one worked because it as actually about Superman. the second one didn't because it wasn't.

[@FrankRemley]

Beautifully done

[@Malryth]

A very eloquent way of comparing the two movies. Personally, for Myself, Christopher Reeve will Always Be Superman. I wasn't aware of those rules you pointed out on Serving Others and Never Giving Up. Now I know why the 1978 movie felt more like the comic book Superman and Zack's movie with all the collateral damage and death felt so far away from the idea and concept of Superman we read in the 70's and 80's in comic books.

[@oatmeal2348]

Quick correction: Superman 1978 did not reverse the rotation of the earth. Superman went back in time the reverse spinning of the Earth was his perception of the time change.

[@ewk71]

Yes! I'm amazed people still get this wrong.

[@w1-em4nq]

Not sure what's going on, but reviews this weekend have been on point. Clean, clear, honest with some bad points

[@devollo98]

Please do: The Hobbit trilogy VS Star Wars prequel trilogy Lord of the Rings trilogy vs Star Wars classic trilogy

[@earleastman1095]

Ryan is right!!!!

[@dgelpin]

Thank you... Thank... You....

[@TwoMoon71]

Yep, I agree with you completely in your assessment of Snyder's version.

[@dynaguy3]

One is Superman. The other is Super Alien/Jesus/Unsure if he should help humanity

[@ii-mp1sp]

Hell, I like Man of Steel because I'm not American and I was born in Eastern Europe so Superman 1978 was never shown here unlike Man of Steel and the 1996 animated series. So let's hate and wish me bad Circassians that I'm not like you.

[@albertolopes829]

Final comment after watching the whole video: this is the best video on this channel so far. The "kindness not as a burden, but a reward" line was especially good and represents what's behind both Superman and Captain America. I am not American, but the idea of someone being a role model by caring and putting themselves in service of others is quite universal (I usually hated when comic writers would force Superman or Captain America as "defenders of America", the "American Dream" or as patriotic models).