Supporting Israel for 400 Years - Terra Santa

[@lacha608]

The place was not called 'Israel' at the time. It was referred to as ''Palestine....'

[@1973HenkY]

It was LITERALLY in the video what they called it: Terra Santa or Eretz Israel (2.24 in the video).

[@bk83861]

You guys just can't let it go, huh? If you're going to cling to the "who was there first" or "what name it had first" argument, then please refer to the Kingdom of Judea, which existed before the word "Palestine" had even been conceived of - by a lot. Palestine is just an evolution of Syria-Palaestina, the name given to the whole territory (Not state! Not kingdom! Territory...) after the Romans squashed the Jewish rebellion... which, whoops, means the Jews had to have been there, right?

[@bookmouse2719]

It's tradition for Jews to give to charity for those less fortunate: Tzadaka. The Gabay is very important person at Shul, they manage the mechanics of the service, the building, and security. Some shuls don't have Rabbis but will always have a Gabay. Thank you it's very interesting video.

[@NeivGabay]

Oh stop it

[@AlexanderLittlebears]

The less fortunate jews

[@Amari_14]

These videos are so good it makes me stop what I'm doing and watch the video

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

That's cool that you were able to include someone else in the video!

[@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING]

What a great history and story!

[@tekboysp]

Some of my ancestors were Sephardic from Portugal. Their last names were Coronel, Saraiva, Drago, Dinis, Carlos and more. I know some of them migrated to other European countries, but my ancestors ended up in Spain and I'm actually a Spanish descendant of Sephardic Portuguese Jews. I think they would be happy to know some of them stayed in their beloved Iberian Peninsula and now some of us know what they had to endure back then. My genealogical research made me realize all of this and I'm really proud of them. I even have documents of their Inquisition processes and they had many objects related to what is now Israel and Palestine. I wish I could know even more about them.

[@Lay-Man]

I think I have some Sephardic as well. I'm Brazilian.

[@tekboysp]

@@Lay-Man you should do some research :) I found it while I was building my family tree. I didn't even expect it...

[@roncastel3627]

Enrique, don't the numbers/records show that actually most of the Spanish jewery, did indeed stay in their beloved Iberian Peninsula?

[@Chaotic_Pixie]

Such good content! I was wondering if there are other similar scenarios out there that you or your colleagues are aware of.... where the best genealogical records for one area are in a completely different locale. That could be a really cool video and an excellent reference resource.

[@GeneaVlogger]

Interestingly enough there are a few other collections in the Amsterdam archives (amsterdam.archief) like that because of the general nature that a lot of documentation in Amsterdam has been saved, cared for, and digitized. In the records for the Portuguese Jewish community in Amsterdam, (inventory 334 in the Amsterdam archives), there are records known as the Despacho records - records showing where people migrated out of Amsterdam if the community supplied them funds to move, with many records saying where that person went. There are also multiple collections of correspondence with people from all over the World and discussing all sorts of matters. Although, nothing I can think of really comes close to what can be learned through these Terra Santa records.

[@andyed.]

That was fascinating. Great vid.

[@travellingaccordian]

fascinating video! just visited the Portuguese synagogue in Amsterdam, great to be able to put it all into context

[@guyr.6053]

What an amazing document, found in the most unexpected place! My Grandmother's family is from the Sephardic Jewish community of Jerusalem. I find it fascinating that maybe my distant relatives are on this list! Is there any chance that these records got digitized already? And if so - are they searchable by keywords?

[@GeneaVlogger]

Digitized but not searchable, so you will need to go page by page to find each Lista. This is what Ton has been working on in terms of making it searchable by indexing the names.

[@GeneaVlogger]

archief.amsterdam/inventarissen/scans/334/5.1.1.1.1/start/0/limit/10/highlight/1

[@guyr.6053]

@@GeneaVlogger Thanks! Have a great day :)

[@kurdekibedin1347]

I have a question: Where were the European Jews (Ashkenazi Jews) before they came to Europe? Did they come directly from Israel?

[@barakdan1858]

Interesting question, the main theory, is that they were enslaved Jews from the failed rebellions, that eventually settled along the Rhine, from genetic markers it's seems that the community was predominantly Middle Eastern males (semitic) who married European women (the preceding generations intermarried with each other, so it's most likely very few Jewish women survived Roman slavery (not gonna go into why, too dark))

[@Cc-rx6rf]

They came from the Levant, land of Israel/Palestine. They were exiled by the Roman Empire into Rome, Italy & enslaved there. Then migrated into Germany/France then from there migrated into Eastern Europe. Many Middle Eastern/Levantine Jewish men mixed with Southern European woman. Ashkenazi Jews are of West Asian/Levantine origin with a mostly Southern European admixture. There's very limited Eastern European ancestry in the gene pool if any.

[@ibnyahud]

Rome and Greece...Ashkenazi share more DNA with Italians than Germans or Russians Ashkenazi history basically starts with the Franks inviting them to settle in the Rhine

[@Seahorse20]

My Sephardic ancestors from Spain went to Greece.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

I'd like to what this can provide the documentation of there being a continuous Jewish presence in Jerusalem itself? And I'm also curious about Hebron.

[@daughterofchrist550]

I would love to travel to Israel, it would be a great blessing to step foot in the holy land. 💜💜💜

[@yuppy178]

Palestine***

[@guillemedina7908]

Jewish history is very inspiring, even with all the adversities, Israel could rise

[@מ.מ-ה9ד]

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[@sachielangel]

Had my dna tested. I am Dutch by the way. 16% Jewish. Was surprised. Doing genealogy for a long time but DNA was more recent. Was surprised about the Jewish ancestor. I found it was on my mother her side. Her grandmother last name Mogelin (O umlaut). This lineage came from East Prussia.

[@JPFops]

Im an Israeli. When I've started reading about the Palestinian side of our conflict i was also sure that the Palestinians are just arabs. Mainly because that's what the Palestinians themselves say, and from the Israeli perspective its very convenient... because the arabs are very clearly not indigenous to the Levant it helps the Israeli narrative that the Palestinians are just arabs invaders. The truth though, as ever, is far more complicated. Modern day Palestinian are actually a mix of Jews how stayed in the holy land after the Jewish exile, and converted to Islam after the Arab conquest, Christians some originally Jewish and some new immigrants to the holy land that some of them stayed Christian and are still part of the Palestinians population and some of them converted to Islam over the years, arab elites that came from Arabia to govern the territory under Arab rule, Arab immigrant that came for various reasons over the years, many of them relatively recently (late 19- early 20 century) as well as Muslim immigrants from the rest of the Levant (moderd day Syria,Lebanon,and Jordan) All of those groups assimilated together to create the modern day Palestinian DNA, that's why you got those results. Palestinian are definitely culturally Arab, but genetically they are mostly Levantines. though it's not clear what percentage of Palestinian DNA is directly from the holy land as opposed to ather areas of the Levant. The reason for that is that modern DNA research isn't accurate enough to distinguish between the different Levantine groups so for example, original Jewish DNA is identical to phoenician (Lebanese) DNA By the way, modern Jews are a combination of original Jewish DNA from the holy land and DNA from the country's that they spent the last 2000 years in, for example ashkenazi Jews are about 50% original Jewish and 50% Europeans. Some sources: www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/2015-10-20/ty-article/palestinians-and-jews-share-genetic-roots/0000017f-dc0e-df9c-a17f-fe1e57730000%3f_amp=true www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/05/000509003653.htm pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11543891/

[@bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375]

@@JPFops Ashkenazi Jewish women tend to be 50/50 European - Levantine, Ashkenazi Jewish Men tend to be 70 - 30 Levantine - European (for both genders mostly Southern European). For Palestinians it depends on their family background, there are certainly Palestinians of Jewish and Samaritan descent (mostly those forced to convert), but as you mentioned but kinda understated is the fact that prior to the Islamic conquests the United and later Eastern Romans where constantly colonizing the region, Ethnic Jews and Samaritans where a small minority in the land by the time the Caliphate came, most the colonizers in the land where Greeks, Aramains, Arabs, Armenians, with smaller communities of Copts, Ethiopians, and Western Christian groups, certainly there where ethnic Jews and Samaritans that had converted to Christianity but they where a small minority of the Jews and Samaritans. When the Caliphate came they significantly contributed a lot of Arab settlers, likewise over the course of over 1000 years since the rise of Islam many groups migrated to and settled the region, almost all of which weren't Levantine. Essentially Palestinians are linguistically Arab, culturally belonging to the Levantine sub culture of the greater Arab culture, and genetically a great big mix of different colonial groups with some native admixture.

[@barakdan1858]

Mate according to Judaism, you're Jewish if your mother is Jewish, so if you're great grandma on your maternal side was a Jew, that means you're one of us 😜, welcome to the club, we'll be transferring funds to your new swiss bank account shortly

[@ibrahimA8496]

Isreal was founded in 1948.

[@serenitymohamed4760]

Bach then and still now it called Palestine!!!

[@gaylecheung3087]

I’m 100% Chinese made in Canada 🇨🇦 ♥️🌏🇺🇦

[@shawna6541]

I still don't understand how my family comes from these communities and dna say I have 0 Jewish 4 different dna test gives me different ethnicity I could be and noone agrees I don't think they know 😮

[@samuelterry6354]

There was no such thing as Israel in 17th century; I'm very disappointed you made such a biased video.

[@GeneaVlogger]

I guess you missed the parts where I show 17th century documents of the community referring to the area as Israel and Eretz (Heres) Israel.

[@zombieat]

@@GeneaVlogger but that area was officially called the Damascus Eyalet from 1516-1865. it also makes sense that Istanbul was an important part of the Terra Santa network.

[@GeneaVlogger]

@zombieat No disagreement there! But the idea that "there is no such thing as Israel in 17th century" is wrong and seems to be biased in the thought of Israel in terms of the present-day state as opposed to the fact that the land has been known as Israel to many for hundreds of years.

[@zombieat]

@@GeneaVlogger you're right the etymology of israel goes all the way back to the 13th century BCE. but so does the etymology of palestine to 12th century BCE.

[@EL-oj6uq]

Not a country lol the land, it was called Eretz Israel by many Jews

[@EL-oj6uq]

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