When I was an apprentice I made a squaring block similar to the one you have. I ground it after work while I was waiting to go to my apprentice class at night. It took me quite a while to get it right. It’s really nice to know all your tools are square.
@ROBRENZ5 жыл бұрын
Good stuff Keith and Steve! Thanks for the kind words. ATB, Robin
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robin.
@blueridgeburnouts82655 жыл бұрын
Keith, I respect your craftsmanship, but after today I appreciate your hosting etiquette too.
@richharr3 жыл бұрын
I love solid rocks videos. Really a tremendous resource
@jimphillips87745 жыл бұрын
I purchased both Solid Rock Machine Shops ,squaring block and squareness checker . Currently I have them both on display on my living room coffee table . Well worth the cost .
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
We're glad you like our products Jim!
@samueltaylor49895 жыл бұрын
Too pretty to use?!
@jimphillips87745 жыл бұрын
I have several jobs in mind for my new instruments ,however for now just want to look at them
@awizardalso3 жыл бұрын
I have a 1938 Singer Industrial sewing machine Model 111 W 113. It's 16 years older than me and still in good shape though much of the paint is worn off. I can't imagine how much was made on it during WWII. .
@SteveSummers5 жыл бұрын
Great video
@bcbloc025 жыл бұрын
Steve is awesome and does top notch grinder work. I would say even better quality than the big names like Suburban tool. I have met Steve and his family several times and they are all great. Can't go wrong with any of their products.
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words Brian, we really appreciate the friendship we developed over the few times we've gotten to meet with you and from our KZbin connection.
@RRINTHESHOP5 жыл бұрын
Nice job helping Keith. Steve and family on the travel have a great time.
@howder19515 жыл бұрын
Yes, I have great respect for a man who is not only technically very sound, but he has integrated his family into the business , Bravo for Solid Rock Machining!
@RRINTHESHOP5 жыл бұрын
@@howder1951 The Barton's are a wonderful family and are doing great work in there shop, very quality tools.
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words Randy. We're enjoying our trip very much!
@waiakalulu35015 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the passion for the subject and pride of workmanship. It was nice to see the family behind the effort, too. You folks have a lot to be proud of. Many thanks for dropping scholarship on the subject.
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@lloyd47685 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a video of grinding the chuck in and tuning up the grinder... thanks for the video!!
@erikisberg38865 жыл бұрын
Was a pleasure watching this enthusiastic presentation and learning some new tricks! I also recommend Steves channel, learned many things from his videos. Check out his method for truing up lathe chucks for a starter. Been doing it that way ever since.
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Erik.
@MrPossumeyes4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this Keith. Thankyou.
@ron8275 жыл бұрын
Steve certainly possesses a wealth of grinding knowledge and glad to know he is so willing to pass it on. He is the Grindapedia.
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@KoJo-qh9od5 жыл бұрын
This is a good example of how KZbin can help people to expand their horizons with their craft. You two metal nerds are obviously excited about your craft and sharing your knowledge. Thanks guys, well done.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair3 жыл бұрын
You guys are next level. I love watching these types of videos. Shows me I have a lot to learn! Nice work guys. Love the products too.
@larryrobinson74925 жыл бұрын
What a great video Keith & Steve, I enjoyed so much visiting with both of you two years in a row at The Good of the Land Festival. Thanks for sharing things like this that most of us would never even think of really.
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Larry.
@WoLpH5 жыл бұрын
Adam: blink twice if you're being held hostage!
@soundlimit3005 жыл бұрын
Interesting video Keith,You've got the right man for surface grinding knowledge.
@jaybaeten3427 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video; learned a lot! Thanks!
@SVImpavidus5 жыл бұрын
Just a great video what a great guy, helping out, leaving a legacy, sharing knowledge. Good old fashioned values that you seldom hear these days. Then wanting to make the best possible product for the family to learn on and continue to produce. Excellent we need more people like this in the world. Ant, Cid & the Pooch crew. (SV impavidus)
@120ohm5 жыл бұрын
love seeing guest in your shop! Always a good time when two people can share knowledge and have fun in the process!
@elsdp-45605 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU...for sharing.
@carolinaprepper5405 жыл бұрын
There is a lot of knowledge between these two guys ! I learned a lot from just this one video ! one of your best videos ! Loved it !
@andreturnbull12595 жыл бұрын
Keith, You and Steve rock... Great video, I learned a lot.
@fredleuthauser12255 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your answer sir !!
@smitty28685 жыл бұрын
Great job Keith, one of your best videos in which you were truly gracious to Steve and his clan. We can rest assured now that your straight edges will qualify as reference tools.
@joopterwijn5 жыл бұрын
Liked 👍 the video, before Keiths starter music ended! That’s the usual routine with his content!
@krazziee20005 жыл бұрын
nice stuff and nice people, been watching them for a while now,
@littleworkshopofhorrors23955 жыл бұрын
krazziee2000 sorry if you got a thumbs down notification, a complete accident.
@krazziee20005 жыл бұрын
@@littleworkshopofhorrors2395 its cool, no sweat, keep up the good work, thanks
@outsidescrewball5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video ...awesome friends
@samueltaylor49895 жыл бұрын
Something quick (ish) that Could be made by you, Steve Barton that I’m surprised that you don’t is the precision ground bench stones. Maybe you wouldn’t want to step on Mr. Renzetti’s toes?!
@spencertoolandgrind5 жыл бұрын
Samuel Taylor My thoughts is. Machine shop work pays more than some ground stoned. Example. A guy with a cnc jig grinder can make upwards of $500 an hour. Stones are nice. Cash is king. Steve’s from Michigan and that tops to me. Mark from the east side of Michigan
@jaysilverheals44453 жыл бұрын
one small kibitz since people say not enough surface grinding knowledge so here is one. I stopped putting parts on at an angle like that because the wheel digs in imperceptibly going on and off the corners. I put them on straight and even then I never go on and off the part with less than about 1/4 width of wheel. when approaching on final passes I specifically will crank over a good distance and come across and as I leave the part I will not feed the wheel totally off or the wheel cuts in. not important except for precision stuff. The other thing is I dont do like most grinding videos where they feed slowly across with small stepovers. Just like in cylindrical grinding the wheel going back and forth should be minimum of 1/3 the width of the wheel. If I was viewed such as on manual tool grinder such as harig 6-12 my hand hand is spinning pretty much as fast as I can go to utilize the entire wheel and outrace the heat front and lessen the pin cusion effect such as when grinding dry. It would be good to do a video on the pin cusion effect. another issue is I have no shop I simply go into mentor at garage shop he is setting up. I have made a couple videos but I am no youtube personality and refuse to stand in front of the camera speaking. on the small cusps you saw on the parts that could quite well be out of balance if they were small. If large the wheel had shifted on the hub which are never tight enough. an out of balance wheel will in fact dress fine and produce good surfaces unless micro inspected. usually it does not matter for parts but for tooling it does and as the part smooths and is stoned the discrepancies will stand out more and more. on parts or tooling I do a shocking thing. I stone them off with my ruby stone which is precision flat. I then take scotchbrite and rub in the direction of the grain for a perfect satin velvet finish. often I may put a trace of wd40 and rub off with a cloth and they say "wow". If he has no balancing setup such as an arbor I did make and sell them for various grinders but no profit in it. If the grinder can be identified with its taper which I have most of them I can make one and send it. To make balancing arbor get ground shaft such as 5/8ths or whatever. on manual lathe drill and ream 5/8 hole. Take that bushing made the correct length and jb weld it onto middle of shaft. Go back to lathe and chuck it up and cut taper on bushing. go to grinder chuck up on shaft and dust off bushing to exact angle (exact angle really is not needed since will be two contact anyway with middle relieved.) put arbor in hub with wheel tight it will be dedicated a person should have several hubs at least two with wheels mounted for years. put in arbor and tap into place no nut needed. balance wheel using stand of any type. hub is type cant balance it? I tape items such as washers on the back and balance. remove tape and jb weld them on on backside IT WORKS.
@roncartwright81255 жыл бұрын
Another great video from a great team on a great subject. Thank You!!!
@charlescompton44955 жыл бұрын
Gray hair matters ( well, no hair, too )! Great video and a great family business. Thanks Keith, Greg.
@duobob5 жыл бұрын
Great collaboration, Steve and Keith!
@thunderstruck10785 жыл бұрын
Good man.
@altonriggs23525 жыл бұрын
Great video...passing on real world knowledge.
@awizardalso5 жыл бұрын
What I found somewhat funny is my brother-in-law is also Steve Barton!
@CatNolara5 жыл бұрын
already been subscribed to his channel, he has a lot of knowledge about grinding and precision machining in general
@jaysilverheals44453 жыл бұрын
an option for the squaring block is for the poor people or those starting out to sell it heat treated but not ground so the person can step grind it square themselves. possibly at even more discount with just a few tapped holes. the indicator stand is the best I use the same principle but in emergency in new shop with no true grinding tools I cnc a big 20 inch radius on end and reamed 3/4 hole so the block slides up and down with set screw on 3/4 shaft and put my original indicator head on it for squaring. block is just mild steel but was emergency get by. I used it there to step grind stuff square. For a person with that kind of money what he says is true for that precision and everything he put in there that if he was not more mass producing them that total stand setup would be in the THOUSANDS of course. Good deals can be gotten on specialty tools such as that one that were "labor of love situation". scary thing about the squaring block is that actually a person should have TWO in which case you put both on chuck and slide one out leaving a gap. Turn on electric chuck and for squaring up ends parts then snap into place no clamps but a stop on the bottom is suggested. The standard trick is a couple 1-2-3 blocks for squaring up ends dead nuts like for mold components. The miteebite style vice jaws are great I made some and the teeth that go in the slots for roughing.
@clydecessna7375 жыл бұрын
Now that's salesmanship.
@kevinhornbuckle5 жыл бұрын
Nice family.
@mxcollin955 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! Learned a ton! 👍
@EmmaRitson5 жыл бұрын
great video guys!
@eyuptony5 жыл бұрын
Really interesting starting point on a surface grinder. Great video.
@jaysilverheals44453 жыл бұрын
on the diamond dresser I no longer use that standard diamond I switched totally and permanently to those sintered diamond things they sell for dressing benchtop wheels. I have several and can send you a couple to test you will be impressed..you take off the handle and throw it away and simply put the head in a tiny junky vice or whatever or even a slot with set screws in a piece of scrap. you now have thousands of diamonds which only the highest tiny diamond truly leaves the final dress.
@jaysilverheals44453 жыл бұрын
of course single point diamond has to be used for certain cases or dressing off side of wheel or dressing radii. but the single points I am going to sell some of mine and the others just sit in a drawer unused. They just round off anyway and dress a taper on the wheel especially if new and sharp. If younger I would move to the area and have you give me a try big problem I am 68 so my time is done.
@Conno92205 жыл бұрын
I would love to have Steve visit. I have a old Walker 6x12. Looks like the predecessor to a Harig 612. It needs some tuning.
@cliffwill5 жыл бұрын
steve for the win!
@macbouncer85255 жыл бұрын
an infovert for solid rock products.
@ShainAndrews5 жыл бұрын
20:50. I was thinking about the tolerance needed in that pin and thermal changes on those clearances. Then he says it isn't round... three points of contact. Talk about taking something over the top.
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
With that kind of system we wanted to make absolutely sure we got true readings with it.
@jamiebuckley17695 жыл бұрын
great video thanks gyes
@scotwashburn48347 ай бұрын
What did you do to grind in the mag chuck if you were not supposed to turn the magnet on to grind it in
@Windgonner5 жыл бұрын
OK, so most of this went over my head. I don't care. It is fascinating what the thought process is to eliminate "microscopic" errors in your machining and setups.
@danielcobbins90505 жыл бұрын
Steve; I know you are just getting started making precision instruments. As you expand your product line and get a Website to advertise, you should look into the possibility of getting a CNC milling machine for production purposes. I realize they cost thousands of dollars, but some of them can mill on seven different axes. I don't know if payment plans are offered or not, but this is just a suggestion for down the road.
@bcbloc025 жыл бұрын
If you watch Steves channel you will see he has a milling machine beat all to pieces. He has special jigs for doing most of the work as saw cuts and saves the off cuts for making more parts. Highly efficient and fast! :-)
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
That's our future wishlist but in the meantime we'll probably outsource a few things.
@stephans8915 жыл бұрын
50 Million Indicator, ach das Imperial System muss man einfach lieben ^^
@roosterhunter62455 жыл бұрын
Our water boils at 212 degrees too! LOL!
@samueltaylor49895 жыл бұрын
50 millionths is within 1.27 microns.
@Sizukun15 жыл бұрын
I wish more old timers with a lot of machine knowledge had a way of giving hands-on sharing machining. Its a shame seeing old machines get scrapped because nobody in the family wants the machines, and nobody near them even knew they existed.
@DillonTrinhProductions5 жыл бұрын
Any updates on the Vulcan saddle tank?
@andrewkiwi15 жыл бұрын
I can see paranoia setting in at any moment now. LOL Those parallels would make nice panelbeating dollies. Keith shrieks.
@RyanWeishalla5 жыл бұрын
That is some good help there. Do you have a wheel balancer for your grinding wheels?
@dtoad485 жыл бұрын
Wish there was a before and after shots of grinding.
@premierd89885 жыл бұрын
a couple of tenths with Keith is about +/- 1/4 of an inch .....lol
@James-fs4rn5 жыл бұрын
👍
@tenaxxband4 жыл бұрын
Solid Rock sticker shock @ 19:20...
@fredleuthauser12255 жыл бұрын
How do you compensate for the stone changing diameter as you grind ?
@ShainAndrews5 жыл бұрын
Final passes are done with absolute minimal material removal. Dress the wheel, and creep away. Hence why it is time consuming to do achieve high tolerances.
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
What Shain said.
@mathuetax5 жыл бұрын
What is the best way to keep corrosion at bay on precision steel like this? Is there a special oil? What about things like tap and dies?
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
Keep it out of high humidity areas. The DC53 is good because it has a high chrome content, we use a Liquid Wrench silicone spray. We don't do anything for taps, ours have a special black oxide treatment on them. We don't use dies but the regular cutting oil from use on dies should keep them in good shape.
@johntvrdy44735 жыл бұрын
I NEED YOUR HELP I have a 1972 Ammco rotor lathe a hustler 7000. I need a new name plate that goes on the top of the main casting along with the 4 pins that hold it where do I get the parts ?
@stevedunkerton94914 жыл бұрын
www.vonindustrial.com/ Tom Utley
@tropifiori5 жыл бұрын
I have a 120 lbs wrought iron anvil that needs to be flattened. Would it be reasonable for me to ask my local job shop if they would grind it?
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
Yea, but I don't know what it would cost. That magnetic chuck Keith had on his machine easily weighed that. If they have a big enough grinder they could do it.
@paulcopeland90355 жыл бұрын
It is a fine idea, but in reality I can't imagine why an anvil would need to be precision ground.
@iamthetarget525 жыл бұрын
Good Grief ... Steve has WAY TOO MUCH ENERGY
@jeffanderson16535 жыл бұрын
Great video. I will save up for a set of the Kurt vise products you introduced Steve. Adam, you are one lucky guy to be able to learn from your father the Master. I have a 618 Micromaster that is in great shape....I think. Now you got me thinking I need to make sure. Thank you both.
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Keep an eye on our KZbin channel, we're hoping to come out with pricing on the vise product in the next couple weeks.
@SuperAWaC5 жыл бұрын
how much is the big set up cube?
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
Those are $975. They are made out of DC-53 60-62 RC with cryogenic deep freeze process. They are 2.5" X 5" X 5". They are flat parallel and square less than .0001 in 5".
@jacobpoucher5 жыл бұрын
21:54 420 !
@tomp5385 жыл бұрын
Though, it is now obvious, who would have thought the table inertia could be a problem... nothing is stationary.
@mobiousenigma5 жыл бұрын
as always thanks for the videos , i only fail if i fail to learn something ;] off topic but sort of addressed by mr barton in wanting to pass his knowledge along , being roughly the same age have you observed that when younger there were more people with more areas of basic knowledge "common sense stuff" than there are today for instance herbology could you identify edible plants in the wild or know of there medicinal properties and yet even 75 years ago most had a far greater awareness , i havent posed or worded this well and i hope it is coherent and i wonder if you and others have noticed a general decline in knowledge ? ps i failed to learn spelling lol
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
Yes, I have in a lot of areas. I often see it in the fields, there's a book smarts but there's a lack of experience. Knowledge by itself just doesn't cut it, you gotta have the comprehension. I see there's 3 levels of learning, you need to achieve all three. Knowledge is the starting point, you have understanding and comprehension which is the second stage of learning and you have wisdom which is the third stage of learning, which a person already has the knowledge of what he's doing, he has the understanding and comprehension of what's being done and he has the experience where he's done this so many times he makes it look easy. In today's world it seems like for whatever reason our learning is stopping at the knowledge level and is not progressing and I think that's what the problem is.
@mobiousenigma5 жыл бұрын
@@SolidRockMachineShopInc eloquently put sir and i agree but i think we specialize and rely on technology too much to have a thorough understanding of all the fields of knowledge we should
@JamesAtLarge5 жыл бұрын
those kids just walked right out of the video like forget this lol they didt care
@mmnootzenpoof5 жыл бұрын
some people like being in front of a camera. other people prefer to be behind it. there's no shame in either path.
@electromechanicalstuff26025 жыл бұрын
Economic slavery is a good name for it
@paulbragg76185 жыл бұрын
I don't know who else would do that for 850, that's a bargain
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
Yea, when you compare the amount of work that goes into the product it really is a bargain. We know it's a lot of money, we're not making our shop rate on this item but we'll offer it at this price for as long as we can.
@samueltaylor49895 жыл бұрын
Yes, when he said $750, I was thinking about ALL the parts on that stand and was thinking that was a bargain.
@Asavent5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad Steve thinks Keith is at the beginner level. Someday, Keith may be almost professional.
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
Keith has excellent skills in a lot of areas that I don't even posses! When it comes to grinding I just wanted to give Keith a few pointers to help him out.
@rbaker14235 жыл бұрын
Steve, you NEED to get a web store up! That "email us" stuff isn't good enough. I guarantee you are losing sales. You need to have your entire product line showcased there, even for things that aren't in stock. You can provide an estimate of when things will be back in stock, and take pre-orders. And if you have a long waiting line for items, you need to figure out how to ramp up production and make those sales before you lose them. You are making great products that people want, so don't stifle it with the business side of things.
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
It will come in time. We're focusing on ways to get products out faster. If we lose sales we know we will make it up in the future.
@petepeterson45405 жыл бұрын
;))) :))))
@jlg48805 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the next abandoned machine, tenderly wrapped in swaddling clothes and left in a basket at the shop's doorstep submitted for adoption, might be a cylindrical grinder.
@rmhanseniii5 жыл бұрын
Why use a grinder if you can use a shaper? (Not a machinist)
@infoanorexic5 жыл бұрын
Definitely tools (instruments!) that you want to keep away from ... the hands of inquisitive 2-3 year old children ... teen age boys in their first car ... out of the sun in an enclosed vehicle ... and cats ... (add your own "bane of tools" below)
@maggs1315 жыл бұрын
$975 for that? Its full of holes?!
@samueltaylor49895 жыл бұрын
maggs131 you don’t have to pay extra for that!
@maggs1315 жыл бұрын
@@samueltaylor4989 oh well then ill take 2 dozen
@misterexponential4 жыл бұрын
Lost me at 7:00 with the repetition
@MatthewHolevinski4 жыл бұрын
it got better
@markowen71645 жыл бұрын
Wow why have utube made it difficult to make a comment? Any way. If your only 60 years old. And you think that your near the end of your life. I'm so screwed. I'm older than you. Hay bud don't give up yet ok. M
@SolidRockMachineShopInc5 жыл бұрын
I haven't given up, I just know that statistically I'm about 3/4 dead. I think this way because it lets me know how much time I have left to leave an impact with my family.