Pyzel "Astro Pop" Surfboard Review by Noel Salas Ep.90

[@ajj4483]

Most versatile board I've owned in 30 years. Goes amazing in 2-4ft waves as a thruster (stock Futures L), 1-3ft as a quad (Futures Thermoflex), 1-3ft as a 2+1 (Akila Aipas). I'm 73kg and have the 5'7, it is my go to for beachies and reefs up to 4ft (overhead). Blindingly fast with quad setup once on rail in more powerful surf.

[@chrisathan4293]

Thank for sharing this !

[@raulgonzales6721]

is it also OK in 4-6‘ surf??

[@dlangpap]

Have you tried other 2+1 set aside from the Aipas? How do you think they compare to the MR fins recommended by Noel?

[@user-fe8gk2xb2t]

Just picked one of these bad boys up. Rode with a stiff fiberglass 2+1 in 2ft overhead Hawaii wind swell. The chop didn't bother one bit but the speed was too much for me to handle (for now) I never felt so much pop on my snaps. To the point that I was afraid to try any more after a few fails. The speed was intimidating. Maneuvers set up beautifully, stayed on the line I chose without effort. Any recommendation on fin sets (futures) that will help me tame the board down a little? Take away some speed and tighten up the tail some for the bigger days. Looking for more control I guess. Until I can get used to seeing through my turns with all that pop that the Astro Pop gives. Mahalo surfnshow community

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Try fins with a bit more Rake. You will get more control for sure.

[@user-fe8gk2xb2t]

Will do! Mahalo

[@brycemolenkamp875]

Rad review as always Noah! Looking to try this board out soon as I think it'll be a winner for my home break. BTW a suggestion on your reviews, what do you think about starting your riding clips at the last few paddles and pop up? I feel like it tells a lot about how much glide and stability a board has. Those are a few top points for me in a board anyway. Keep the reviews coming! My Surf n Show mini quiver is doing me well!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Bryce Molenkamp We will do some of that on reviews moving forward to show glide and get up and go speed. Thanks

[@kelvinbatista9259]

Thanks to your advice I bought a Astro Pop as a daily driver for 1-4 “East Coast Shredding”. Considering I’ll have this board for a while, which “step up” board would compliment the Astro Pop in slightly bigger waves for a lower intermediate in the East coast and Caribbean. Thanks in advance!!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Kelvin Batista Phantom

[@sandyfootwell]

Tried one the other day, rode the 5’9 PU (I’m 183cm and 82kg). So much fun, quick, easy to manoeuvre and plenty of performance in the pocket. It feels a bit like a rocket wide, it seems like as the sizes get larger they get proportionately longer compared to wider so starts to ride more like a small wave performance board. It held in at just overhead surf as well on a few of the sets. Another great review, thanks Noel!

[@jccarson]

Hey, loving these reviews! As I see you live in San Diego, can you do any reviews on Jason Bennett's designs at Chemistry?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Justin Carson I live in Orange County CA and I ordered boards from Jason last year and they never sent them. Sorry...

[@MrRofi-jp7mo]

Surf n Show Reviews you paid for them and they never came or you asked for boards??

[@KawikaDowney]

The Honey Dip is epic

[@gilkalbfeld1384]

Do you like the Astro pop more or the rocket wide. Thanks Gil kalbfeld

[@livemoksha]

Honestly, your reviews just get better and better! Now, I just have to wait your review on the Lost x MR Cali Twin. Are they comparable?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

livemoksha Yes... AP out performs the CA Twin in the pocket but the CA Twin might be a hair faster down the line. The CA Twin also catches in the nose area a little more too. The AP is more free in tight pocket turns

[@andrewenglishsc]

Hey Noel, I was wondering if you have any advice for tall skinny guys looking for a smaller wave board. I'm 6'2, 180lbs, intermediate. I first tried an Ultra Joe 5'7 31.5L and really didn't like it. It was fun and skatey as a quad in tiny mushy waves, but once the waves got closer to 3-4ft and the faces got steeper, drop-ins started feeling really awkward (like I was going to faceplant in front of the board) and the board almost felt like it was sinking too much in turns. I then got a Superbrand Vapors 6'2 33.5L and I love this thing. It works great in 4ft+ surf, is helping me surf better rail-to-rail, but feels like a barge in tiny waves -- hard to keep speed through turns (probably more on my technique). It seems like these tiny, wide grovelers are just really awkward for me to surf given my height and low weight. Maybe I could use a longer, wider, but thinner board? Like 5'10-6'0, 19.5-20" wide x 2.25-2.5" thick? I was wondering what you think about this?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Andrew English Sounds like you need to go custom. Lots of good boards to choose from... go to our website and check my favorites for the size waves u want to surf

[@keeleysd]

Hey John, you may never see this but... I am a intermediate surfer that got into surfing later in their life and I have to say, I've learned more about surfing from watching your reviews than almost any other medium. Good surfers that are friends often forget what it was like to be not so great and not familiar with the lingo. This makes it a struggle when trying to determine what kinda board to use etc. I appreciate how you explain things in a way that makes it relatable for those of us that aren't on your level. Kudos!

[@ryantherock7664]

Great review thanks Noel appreciate your efforts.You have dealt extensively with the major manufacturers like CI,Lost,Pyzel etc.My question is this : How are boards under licence made in different countries compare with those made/shaped from HQ of these manufacturers?I guess what im saying is how different is a pyzel gremlin made in brazil comparer to one made in pyzel HQ and how do they do it?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Ryan The Rock Great question... I don’t have a solid answer for you there. I am sure each board manufacturer spends a good amount of time choosing the right overseas licensing group for their brand. Maybe something good for us to do a review on in the near future. Thanks for the solid question....

[@riillenicii8029]

Thanks for the review and greetings from Germany🤙 which size should I go for as a 5’8 150lb low intermediate?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

I say 29-31L is a good range for you

[@rmarlin]

I just bought the Astro Pop XL, epoxy build it is going to take 15 weeks, so should have it just before the end of the year. Frothing for this beast also picked up a set of MR twinnies 2 + 1.

[@zenfiretrading3848]

Your ride at 8:07 was some A-Roll Noel footage! That was a goooood clip.

[@jimmydabriou2482]

Hey Noel, Do you think for a low intermediate surfer what board would be better between the Astro P. And the gremlin. I’m 5’10 70kgs, I have a greedy beaver 6’ with 37.5L which is a lot for me but good to catch waves, I was thinking may be around 34l would be good for those boards?? Cheers mate 👍🏼

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Jimmy Dabriou Both Boards will go good for you! I think the Gremlin is a little faster and has better flow but the AP offers more performance in the pocket. Strange too I would think just the opposite. With this being said go Gremlin for your skill level and have more fun going fast in small waves... it still turns excellent too.

[@jimmydabriou2482]

Cheers mate, what do you think about the length though? Should I go 5’10 or 5’9 with my bio?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Jimmy Dabriou 5’9”

[@soulsurfer3102]

Hey hope you feeling ok.i have second hand sampler.and astro pop.for 1 to4 reef break.cant decide.any advice ? never had the sampler.

[@invistacompeu5292]

Im 75 kg, What size of fins you think should Fit best? Used tô like Fcs 2 performer médium sides with old jw fcs 1 center, but i got some extra pounds , and dont know if i should change for larges

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

I say switch to a large neutral template

[@invistacompeu5292]

Thank you ! I Will Also try mt astro pop as a quad. Did you use performer large with reactors medium rears, right?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@invistacompeu5292 yes… you can also use medium side fins

[@invistacompeu5292]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 whats you think about the jw large Fcs 2 tri fins air core?

[@invistacompeu5292]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 and theres anyway i can buy your MS Fins in Brazil?

[@viniciusbitencourt8923]

Great review! So, what would be the major difference between the EPS and PU versions, since they are exact same dims? You’d say difference in wave conditions? Tnks!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Vinicius Bitencourt EPS offers more pop. And projection through turns. I mentioned bigger waves on the PU because it settles down better with more speed. Sometimes EPS can be a bit corky and hard to sink the rail when your going fast on bigger waves or when it’s choppy surf. The PU cuts through the water better..... it also helps that This PU was glasses a little heavier.

[@viniciusbitencourt8923]

Surf n Show Reviews thanks for the reply! Helping me decide for sure! Keep riping! Aloha!!

[@robysurf]

Hi Noel, which one do you prefer for grovelling and small wave performance? SE Twin Turbo 2, Gremlin or Astro pop?

[@jnoonanuk]

Hi just watched your vid on back foot position and tail pad position. Watching this vid, did you manage to get your tail pad far enough over the back fin, considering the leash plug position is to the side and that this board is a swallow tail? Thanks 🤙

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Yes.. we got it back far enough. From what I remember

[@samleary5657]

How would this board size up for bigger, older, slower surfers? Some boards size up well and others just get do not work? My local shop has a 6'8 and a 7'0? Thanks love the reviews

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Sam Leary It will size up great... go for the smaller one of the two... it paddles great

[@kembooo000]

Loved the discussion about liters for hpsb vs groveller. I'm a bit confused to be honest about boards volume liters and how it relates to surfing. Had a 7.0 superfrog for a long time that had 50 liters, paddling was very easy and board was stable but not very maneuvrable. I got me lately a used ghost custom shape. 6.8 and comes at 42 litres. I can barely feel any difference in paddling between the 2 and the board feels like a rocket, especially when waves have punch. I also tried a uberdriver xl @42.5 litres for one session but it had medium fcs2 fins so it felt much looser compared to the ghost. I want to get another board as a daily driver for smaller surf, volume calculators say I can go as low as 35L(I'm 6ft1, 80 to 85kg). I found a couple boards at 38L and I keep wondering how much lower volume I can go before hitting a wall. I'd love to see a video some day with more details about surfboards volume.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Rabatavus Here is good liter range for a guy your size by skill level. Intermediate surfer= 34-35 liters Advanced= 32-33 liters Expert= 30-31.5 liters

[@kembooo000]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 oh man thanks for the answer. This is motivating, I might go with something in the 35-38 liters to try. Much more choice out there in that range.

[@jimihendrixx11]

Thanks - watching all these is turning me into a board expert 😅 how would you compare this with an RNF 96 Libtech?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

The Lictech construction seems to be pretty durable but it might not have the same pop a regular EPS/Epoxy has. The 96 can handle bigger surf.. it’s more versatile compared to the AP.

[@stevenadams9478]

Great review. and even better surfing! if you had to choose 1 fin set-up for this board, which would it be? Thruster, Quad, or 2+1 ?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Tough one.... 2+1

[@stevenadams9478]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 good to know. Thanks. One other thing, do you ride a medium or large in a FCS fin with a thruster set-up? Im interested as im the same height and weight as you and ive always ridden the medium.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@stevenadams9478 I used to ride Large 95% of the time. Now I ride my own fin designs that have a Large Base for maximum drive and Medium fin depth to keep my boards fast and loose. Check out my concept here www.shopsurfnshow.com/collections/fins/products/surf-n-show-thruster-rakes

[@stevenadams9478]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Awesome. thank you.

[@itziktzur5018]

Great review Noel, after 25 years break, I'm 55 years old 75 kg 1. 76m serfing on pod mod Ci 6.2 40.7L and happy with him, I'd like to buy 2 L low - volume. What would you recommend on the Gremlin or astro pop?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Itzik Tzur Astro Pop surfs more like the PM. Give it a go and order it 2 liters less

[@Philip_Hatchet]

Hi Noel, Great review again. Based on your positive feedback on 2+1 setups, i was looking at the futures site. I see that they also have the T1 2+1 setup in the thermotech construction. Have you ever tried this construction before? They are offered at a great price so I am wondering about the performance that they deliver. Would love to hear your view on those.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

pheelleip I have not tried that tech yet.... I recommend Honeycomb if your over 170 pounds. If your light weight then give them a go

[@matsuya77]

I actually bought this in PU, off the rack, with a volume of 25.9L. If I get an EPS version, should I stay with the same volume or go with the lower at 25.1L? I’m at 5’8” 145lbs.

[@kelvinbatista9259]

I also bought a PU off the rack. If the board works for me I’l consider getting an EPS slightly smaller as well. Let us know how it goes for you.

[@christopherhewitt9091]

Hi Noel! Would you recommend going up in volume if you're getting this as a groveler or would you stick with your regular shortboard volume?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

I like staying the same… if your surfing small mushy waves then I suggest going up 1L

[@christopherhewitt9091]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Sounds good. Thanks for the quick reply :)

[@christopherhewitt9091]

Now that some time has passed since this review would you say the board goes better as a quad or 2+1?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@christopherhewitt9091 Both are so fun… maybe Twin + Trailer

[@BeefcakeRhinodog71]

Ordered a custom Astro Pop from pyzel UK can't wait to get it great review Noel 🤙

[@jensenh4832]

how'd you like it bro??

[@BeefcakeRhinodog71]

@@jensenh4832 I love it bru it flys I'm a big guy and I ordered a 7ft2 x 22½ x 3 1/8 56:.48 ltr been getting lots of comment from people in the water on how well I'm surfing on it especially seeing I'm 49 years old I feel like I'm rolling back the years bang on 🤙👌👍

[@leedauny9942]

Hi Noel, love you reviews, I’ve watched both the Astro Pop review and the Rocket wide. I’ve got a Cali Twin as my all out groveller, what would you recommend out of these two to sit inbetween by firing waves board, Astro or Wide? I like full shaped boards so both look sweet. Thanks!

[@diogobrandao4467]

astro pop vs rocket wide for 2-5 foot wave beachbreak? drive, manouvrability, speed, paddling, flow? which one its easy ridable, more fun, for a intermediate surfer to evolve in surf maneuvers? start doing some carves, bottom turns, snaps...

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Rocket Wide...

[@diogobrandao4467]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 spinetek vs PU?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@diogobrandao4467 Spinetek for me in 1-4’ waves if you surf more clean conditions. If you surf a lot of choppy waves then go PU

[@rift321]

One of your best reviews yet! Board looks great.

[@dr.ivanpenna6767]

Another amazing review Noel! My regular surfboard is a 5'11 with 30 L. I have 5'5 height with 171 lb weight. What is better dimension of AP for me, 5'3 or 5'4? best regards!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Dr. Ivan Penna 29-30 liters for the AP

[@xeniafitness3646]

Another awesome review! Just wondering, any reason why you took the front foot traction off the EPS board after the pool? I'm considering getting front traction on my next board but heard mixed reviews from people!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Matthew Boyle I didn’t like it in the ocean. It was a Prolite traction pad that has too much grip.... could move my foot around easily

[@brettmeyer]

Thanks Noel, review is really insightful as ever. I’m riding (and loving) the Rusty Heckler as a daily driver and its due a replacement. This seem pretty similar, which did you prefer?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Brett Meyer Astro Pop

[@brettmeyer]

Thanks

[@Dinoago]

Hey Noel. Great Review. I'm 6'2'' 190Lb . I ride a 5'10' fishbeard but want something with a bit more meat for bigger days. Found a stock Astro pop 6'0'' . Would this work good if it gets 2 feet overhead being a bit of a bigger board than suggested for me?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Not really… the AP is a Groveler not a mini step up. Check out the Phantom

[@Purpleyamz]

Solid, insightful review! Looking at this as a potential one board quiver for east coast beach/point/cobblestone breaks, usually 2-4 ft or so. My question - although I assume you would say its not ideal - will this board go ok in the slightly hollower, bigger stuff like the noreaster/hurricane surf we get in fall + winter where it gets up to around 5-7 ft or so and is steeper, punchier mid-long period swell. I'm currently on a Lost QK, which works nicely for me in everything except waist/stomach and smaller where it's just not fun anymore and I bust out the fish or midlength.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Kevin Sullivan Check our the Pyzel Pyzelian 2 for your 1 board quiver. Watch my review

[@Julianuribe23]

Keep the quiver killer for the bigger hollower stuff, you're asking way too much out of one board

[@jboysurf4123]

Great looking board, great surfing, great soundtrack. . .What more could one ask for 😁 👌🏽

[@fabang9057]

Hi Noel, really great job, reviews are super helpful. Thanks. I need some help if possible ... I would like to take an AP, I'm 5'2 "and 145lbs (small but heavy), intermediate ... what size would you recommend? I've seen the XL version ... what do you think? Thanks for your help.....

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Your liter range should be around 27-29L

[@fabang9057]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks for the quick reply ... so could AP XL 5'4 " in EPS would give me a little more tolerance (about volume) ?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@fabang9057 If it hits your range then yes

[@fabang9057]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks !

[@Mike-xr3zj]

It looks like a great board! The majority of my time I am on a 2+1 now and never thought I would love it so much. To the point now where I am pulling the trailer and getting comfortable with the tail release. On a Modern2 now, but always picking up the twinnies at the local shop. Thanks for the review.

[@MichaelSmith-tm3iw]

as a new intermediate coming off a longboard, could I make this work? I'm 16 and am very athletic so I wonder if this would work? also I live in Texas so the surf ranch is my go to wave.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

MichaelSmith Yes the AP will work good for you. Just make sure you get it on the bigger side and make it easy for yourself.

[@MichaelSmith-tm3iw]

Surf n Show Reviews thanks man! would you say this is better for the surf ranch than the pod mod, uber xl and rocket wide?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

MichaelSmith The Surf Ranch is where? Are you talking about Kelly’s surf ranch or Bsr Surf Resort. Sorry I’m confused

[@MichaelSmith-tm3iw]

Surf n Show Reviews my bad for not clarifying. bsr tho

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

MichaelSmith UB XL or Astro POP are my first choices for BSR

[@papyslater9682]

Hi Noel ! Great review one more Time ! Which is the best in weak , choppy , on shore wind conditions ? NB2 or AP ? Thx

[@Julianuribe23]

I have the same question too

[@killabootsproduction]

What’s did you prefer out of the Astro pop and the rocket wide?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

killabootsproduction Astro POP feels like a High Performance Fish/Groveler, Rocket Wide is a Small Wave Performance Board. If I had to choose one I would go Astro Pop

[@chrisathan4293]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 wow ! I thought you were a big rocket wide fan, thank you for sharing this choice coach :)

[@jonoedwards4195]

Shredding on the Twinny Fanga. Unreal review, Pyzel will need Ghosts round the clock to keep up with demand after this. Beauty SnSR, awesome show.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Jono Edwards Yewww... sick little board for sure! Cheers

[@filipevicente774]

Hey Noel. My current quiver is 5'6" Phoenix (DHD) 29L and 5'8" P2, 28.5L. Now I am looking an EPS board for 1-3ft waves. What is your recommendation? I like some boards as the Astro Pop, Gremlin, Seaside, Glazer and Black Baron ... Many thanks!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Astro POP, Seaside, and Black Baron are epic. Tough choice... I say AP or Seaside

[@amielmorris9870]

Hey Noel, great surfing...I was waiting on this review:) Considering CI Fish, Astropop and Seaside... Love long flowy carvy Ryan Burch style surfing, plus getting older 40 but still in shape. Sizing help and ease of surfing help among the 3 mentioned. I'm 5'11 195 lbs....considering Astro Pop 38l, Seaside stock 5'9 37.5l, Ci Fish 38.2L, any advice would help, I'm lower intermediate working hard

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Amiel Morris Astro Pop is epic and so is the Seaside. Both sizes sound good if you like that much foam. CI Fish... not a fan, one of the hardest boards I’ve surfed. It’s really sticky

[@SlickWillie]

i am 5'11 and 205lbs and i picked up the 35 liter astro pop... i sold it already.. not enough foam for me as i was struggling paddling into waves.. the 38l should do the trick for you especially if you want high wave count.

[@amielmorris9870]

@@SlickWillie I saw somewhere in comments on different AstroPop review that you sold your Seaside to get the Astropop, what literage/length was the Seaside and do you regret selling it now?

[@SlickWillie]

@@amielmorris9870 amiel the seaside I had was around 40 liters so I believe it was the 5'11''. It just had wayyy to much foam and was super corky. I have an ultra Joe now thst I love. The board is perfect for me. As for the Astro pop.. It's a good board I just sized it wrong.

[@amielmorris9870]

Will Davis, size ultra joe?

[@jackj4047]

Hey Noel I recently broke my trusty heckler and was thinking about either replacing it or getting a one of these astro pops. How do they compare? I feel like my heckler was extremly high performance for such a fishy outline. Watching both of you reviews it even seems like you got the heckler to do better vertical surfing than the astro but that might be because you only rode thruster in that review. What do you think?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

I say check out the BV2 by Chilli for a bit more performance with a Twin + Trailer set up. You can go Thruster too when it gets bigger.

[@jackj4047]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 I did see your review on that board. Looks interesting but I like my pyzels and rustys too much to deviate. Just having a hard time between the heckler and astro.

[@chrisathan4293]

I am wondering about the same thing ,

[@pietervancampenhout4454]

Hi Noel! Appreciate you’re reviews! Thanks! About in 3 weeks I am leaving to the Maldives! I have already an lost rocket redux 6,4 (41 liter) I can get an Pyzel Astro pop 6,2 (37,4 liters) will this be a good second board to go (Maldives in April is waist to max bit overhead) I am a lower intermediate, live in Holland! Thanks, Greetings Pieter

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

I think the Mini Ghost Squash or Rocket Wide squash tail are better options.

[@pietervancampenhout4454]

Thanks!! And which volume I should take as a lower intermediate (6.2 ft with 187 lbs ) on the Maldives? This, so I can check the available boards, hope they are in stock, is the phantom also an option?

[@pietervancampenhout4454]

@noel You think a mini ghost 6.1 (35.8) will fit my sizes for the Maldives? I am 6.2 185 lbs Lower intermediate (starting connecting turns) I can get one in a few days! Thanks for you’re feedback

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@pietervancampenhout4454 That sounds good… you can also go 6’3”

[@pietervancampenhout4454]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks so much! Last question, I promiss :) Mini ghost stock dims only goes to 6,2, Only a 6,1 available , in time for my trip to Maldives Or a phantom 6,3 (37,3) liters? Is this also a good option? If you say so I order it tomorrow!

[@mikeweez]

Insightful review as always Noel. In a head-to-head matchup, would you take the Aipa Twin +1 or the Pyz AP in a comparable fin setup?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Mike Wan Akila Aipa Winged Twin surfs like HPSB with incredible speed. The AP draws Groveler type lines... so the Aipa Winged Twin will out perform it in the pocket.

[@MrErick1160]

I bought this board 5.9" I'm 75 kg at 1.80m, is this too much? It has 31L. My older was all around performance with 30.4L

[@renatococonut]

Hey Noel, What would you choose and size to surf Huntington Pier 1-4ft? Astro - Epoxy, PJHP - C4, Seaside or Ultra Joe Spinetek? Most of the time I feel like I need much more foam under the chest for better paddling and more speed because it can get very mushy and slow. Im 5'10 165lb Intermediate skills. By the way, thanks for creating this channel and doing a fantastic job in your reviews. You are helping thousands of people around the globe.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Coconut Inc The Astro POP and Seaside have more foam under the chest and paddle better. The Seaside is fast down the line but the Astro POP our performs the Seaside in the pocket. Both boards will carry good speed in the mush. The Astro POP is epic in multiple fin set ups... Thruster, Quad, Twin Plus Trailer. Seaside is Quad and Twin too.

[@renatococonut]

Surf n Show Reviews thanks Noel. Your help and into already narrowed my choices tons... very helpful. What about size and liters for those? For those boards do you recommend grabbing with 1 extra liter to make even easier the paddling and wave count? I’m 5’10 165.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Coconut Inc I don’t like adding 1 liter... they paddle good already due to less rocker compared to a HPSB. It’s up to you.... add a liter catch more waves or don’t add the liter and get more performance

[@karljakobsson2687]

Astro Pop or Rocket Wide! Guess RW is more of a small wave performance board even thou the stock dims on the RW are more stubby?

[@lorenzoromagosa3828]

Thanks Noel. Again a great review man. Astro Pop vs Ultra joe ?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

LORENZO ROMAGOSA Tough one... both boards are epic. AP is faster and paddles better. The UJ might be a little better in the pocket but it’s close.

[@dlangpap]

Hey Noel, great review. I’ve been checking some of your videos to help me decide on a board for smaller, less powerful surf. I’m 5’9” and 70 Kg and currently riding a FireWire Unibrow 6’0” with 34 L volume. However, I want to go down in volume as I’ve been surfing more frequently and have improved my level and my fitness, but still need the board to be a bridge to the FW. Now, honestly I’d like to find a board that can be used as a thruster, quad or twin (which I don’t know if it’s the case with this one as you only mention a 2 plus 1 configuration). So far I have looked at the Lost Swordfish, the Pyzalien 2 and this board, but am not sure. Which one of those would you recommend? Or is there any other board that you think I should take a look at? Thanks from Ecuador!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

The Astro POP is a good Groveler… best in 1-3’ surf. It will shred 4’ sloped or mushy waves. I have not surfed a board that works well in every fin set up option.

[@dlangpap]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks for your answer. Astro Pop or Pyzalien 2? What do you think the sweet spot for each one is and where do you think they overlap? What do you think is the Astro Pop’s upper limit in wave size? Is the Pyzalien as versatile with fin settings as the Astro Pop? Do you think any of the two surf anything like a twin fin with the 2+1 configuration? Cheers!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@dlangpap AP is best in 1-3’ surf… it will shred a Twin + Trailer fin set too. The P2 is best in 3-8’ surf… very versatile in fin set ups. These two boards don’t really overlap… AP is a Groveler and P2 is your Daily, HPSB, and mini step up in 1 board.

[@dlangpap]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks, really appreciate your answers. Do you think one could improve the P2 performance in waves 3 ft or less (are we saying 3 ft is waist high?) by trying an optimum 2+1 setup or even experimenting with a twin setup? Also, please let us know when you review the Firewire Mashup as I think that one could be an alternative as well, maybe sitting between these two? Have you ever tried a FW Unibrow? If yes, do you think it’s comparable to the Pyzalien? As far as construction goes, personally I think Firewire makes the toughest most durable boards that still react well with the peripheral wood stringer. Aside from the dark arts, do you think any of the Pyzel constructions can match Firewire’s? Thanks again!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@dlangpap To get into all of your questions and dial in your boards I highly recommend a surfboard consultation. You can sign up for one here. surfnshow.com/pages/surfboard-consulting

[@Stephen_Burton]

If you had to pick between fcs or futures, what would you do and why?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Futures... way more fin template options... especially in Twin Fins and Twin Plus trailer. You can buy fins from Captain Fin, Shapers, Futures, Tru Aims, etc....

[@chrisathan4293]

@Stephen Burton good question

[@gilkalbfeld1384]

Do you like the Astro pop better or mini ghost? For small not great waves. Witch one is loser?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

1-3’ mushy waves I like the Gremlin better. You can make it looser with my Pivot Twin+ Trailer. Check them out here… they are mental. surfnshow.com/products/twin-fins-p-twin-1

[@Stephen_Burton]

Noel another great show! Astro pop vs Hydra ? But as far a durability I'm thinking the Hydra would be a lot better?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

AP is better too to bottom in 1-4’ surf. Hydra faster in 1-2’ mushy surf

[@jorgeandrescoppiano]

Hey Noel! Thanks for the video. How does a Single-to-Double concave (Channel Islands style) compare against a Double-to-Double?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

JorgeAndresCoppiano. Great question... not sure. I would have to surf two boards with same dims to tell you what they both feel like and what the differences are.i would like to think the Double to double would be looser (easier to roll over on rail) compared to the Single to Double. Sometimes what I think isn’t exactly how it feels though.

[@jimihendrixx11]

Thanks - watching all these is turning me into a board expert 😅 how would you compare this with an RNF 96 Libtech? Looks like it goes super fast

[@matheusmagalhaes1633]

Thank you for the amazing reviews you make! Really helps me to understand the concepts behind the design and construction. The fins are a show apart. Good waves and peace ✌

[@simonhunt7798]

Hey Noel keep up the great work. Can you advise a size for me please I’m 5’9” 150 lb high fitness advanced surfer but no fancy modern airs etc being 48. Surfing in the uk in thick rubber and weaker waves. Not sure on litres to go with any advice greatly appreciated 🤙

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

simon hunt Roughly 25-27.5 liters for your weight and skill level. I like 26 liters for you.

[@simonhunt7798]

Surf n Show Reviews thanks Noel appreciate the help 🤙

[@joedirt8625]

Thanks for touching on FCS. Your Thruster set up looked solid on Vid,

[@reefslug]

how do you think the astro would go with just your HP twins and no trailer?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

It will be really fun in 1-2’ surf… it might slide out a little in 3-4’ surf

[@reefslug]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 gotcha. Have you ever tried your astro in over head? I've been riding my 5'2 in 7 foot the last week and loving it

[@gy2750]

What do you prefer as a groveler, an astro pop or lost pjhp? Different types of board but which gives that more fun in small waves?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

g y Astro POP... more performance in the pocket and I love all then fin set up options the AP has to offer.

[@gy2750]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Hi, thanks for the quick reply, have only just discovered the channel and saw the CI rocket wide review, your preference of astro pop v rocket wide in 1-2 ft surf?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

g y Astro POP is a better Groveler

[@miguellima7987]

Hi Noel, curious on the Futures fin selection. You chose the 3.75 which is a small fin instead of the 4 which whould be a medium one. Any special reason for this? Because on fcs you were using medium quad rears.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Miguel Lima I like Medium Quad Rears better... more drive and a little better hold. Sometimes the 3.75 gives a little more release.... just makes it more fun on the wave face sliding the board a bit easier. Go with Medium Quad Rears

[@aussiesnowboarder1530]

Hi Noel, I’m riding my Astro Pop as quad with large Matt Biolos FCS 2 fins. They go pretty good, but lack tail release and sometimes I feel like I get stuck on forehand turns. I was thinking of going with your recommended Proformer/reactor fin set up. My questions are, do you think the difference would be noticeable and would the set help with tail release and turn initiation? Cheers

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Aussie Snowboarder Just go all Reactors... the Performers are neutral like the Mayhem fins... to similar. Go L tractor side fins and Medium Reactor Quad rears

[@aussiesnowboarder1530]

Thanks mate, appreciate you coming back so quickly. Keep up the great work legend!

[@Nocean831]

Hey Noel, wondering if I could get your quick opinion. Looking at ordering a custom Astro Pop. I'm 6'4 200 lbs, surfing in Oregon so wearing 5/4 wetsuit adds a lot of weight. I want to keep the length short, maybe 5'10", but need to keep the volume higher than the stock 5'10" dims. Would you recommend increasing thickness or width more?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Increase thickness to add more volume. Adding width will make the board tighter and hard to turn quickly..... if you add width I suggest only 1/8 wider than the stock 5’11” dims.

[@Nocean831]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 excellent, thank you so much!

[@zenfiretrading3848]

That first turn @ 3:36 was money, the bottom turn, everything!

[@Igoigo666]

Hey Noel! Great review! Could you advise plz. I'm 6.1 tall and 82kg. Just found only one astro in closest surf shop 32L volume. I surf 33.8 fishbeard but it seems to big for fast beach breaks. Looks like it should fit me the best, but don't wanna dissapoint) what do you think?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Liter range for 180lb surfer. Expert = 29-30 Advanced = 30-32 Intermediate = 32-34

[@Igoigo666]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks a lot Noel!

[@aussiesnowboarder1530]

Hey Noel, What’s your favourite board for 1-3ft summer conditions? After a groveller with a performance twist. I’ve got an Astro Pop in PU, but interested if there are better boards out there for an upper intermediate surfer. Cheers,

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Aussie Snowboarder Check our the Fishbeard, or Black Baron. I also swear by the Akila Aipa Contemporary Fish and Modern Fish

[@aussiesnowboarder1530]

Would a rocket wide be worth looking at?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Aussie Snowboarder It’s a bit slower... the AP grovels way better. If your looking for performance in the pocket then yes but I like the NB2 better than RW.

[@aussiesnowboarder1530]

Thanks Noel, appreciate your help

[@RicardoCirca]

How do you find the Electralite construction Noel? Worth it? Is it simillar to Light Speed? Thanks brother

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

It looks epic but I have not tried it yet. Sorry no comments at this time

[@RicardoCirca]

I’m thinking about using the futures rob machado quad set from the seaside on this board... What is your opinion Noel?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@RicardoCirca Could be really fun.... my guess is it will be fast down the line and have good drive through turns. It will lack a bit of performance rail to rail and getting in the lip quickly compared to a more conventional Quad set up.

[@jensenh4832]

@Surf n Show Reviews If I normally surf about a 5'10" at about 165 and 5'10" would going to 5'6" x 2.50 x 2 5/16 be shortening it enough? Would you think that I added too much width for the board? I really don't like thickness which is why I went with more width but not sure if its too much? Aloha!!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Jensen H To much width will make the board tight and slow to turn quickly. It will be fast due to more surface area but the extra width will hinder performance a bit. Try to even it out a bit.... if you don’t like thicker rails then add another “ or two to keep the thickness and down. Then just go a little wider and it will work way better.

[@jensenh4832]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Really appreciate it, I just talked to them and was able to get it switched to 20" which is only increasing the width by 1/2" from stock which is in the range that was recommended on this video too! pretty awesome to get some legit advice so quickly. aloha!!!!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Jensen H Excellent!!!

[@raulgonzales6721]

Hey Noel, which Board do you prefer: Pyzel Astro Pop or the CI Pod Mod? Thanks for your opinion!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

For 1-3’ surf the AP Carrie’s more speed. The PM has a better big wave range 1-6’.

[@raulgonzales6721]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks! So for a one board quiver, which board would you choose: The AP, the Pod Mod or the Bobby Quad? I could buy the torqe version of the pod mod for 440.- new…so thats quite intriguing…

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@raulgonzales6721 I am dropping a new Series on the best 1-Board Quiver in the Hybrid category this Monday. Check it out…

[@raulgonzales6721]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 I will for sure!

[@raulgonzales6721]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 the astro pop was not in the comparison noel :(

[@ccozzarelli]

Hi Noel, would a Reactor large on the front and performer medium rear as a quad will perform the same as your setup on this video ?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Cellini Cozzarelli Sorry I don’t remember my Quad set up. I like the M Reactor QD rears and go a L performers as side fins

[@ccozzarelli]

Surf n Show Reviews thanks Noel, my question was that if the opposite setup (large reactor on front and M performers qd rears would perform similar as the one you like and described in your reply.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Cellini Cozzarelli You want your Quad rears to be more pivotal... not sure what Quad set I ran but I highly recommend going with Pivotal Quad Rears compared to the Performers. The Performers are more neutral

[@urbansurfah]

Great review Noel! Seems like the CI Twin you reviewed long ago carries more speed and has a more refined outline though.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

urbansurfah Yes more refined but the AP is faster and grovels better

[@gabrielm.4554]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 the other thing to keep in mind is this board is very much designed for powerful small waves (hawaii) so that beak and flat entry rocker lend them selves to waves that carry more speed at smaller sizes. Much to your point Noel, I find the board excels best in punchy beach breaks and more hollow small reefs. I’m not super fond of the way it performs on waves with mushy shoulders.

[@dt6293]

Hey noel you may have already answered this question.. the pyzel gremlin or astro pop? Love your work 🤙

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

d t Astro Pop

[@lycheeznuts]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 which one paddles better?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

pizzaHunter It’s close but I think the Gremlin might paddle a little better. I

[@philgmguitar4856]

Hey Noel 👋🏽 Great Review! I surfed a 5’10 gremlin and want to buy the Astro Pop. I’m almost 6’0 but weigh only 65 and I’m not sure if I should buy the Astro Pop in 5’8 or 5’10 since I sometimes had trouble doing maneuvers with the gremlin. Could you help me out there?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

philgm guitar How much do you weigh? 65 pounds at 6’0” tall???

[@philgmguitar4856]

Surf n Show Reviews Oh Sorry! :D I weigh 65 kilograms, that’s like 143 Pounds?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

philgm guitar For your weight and if your a intermediate level surfer I have your liter range coming in at 28-30. The Gremlin you tried was way to big for you.... if your a beginner/intermediate surfer then I agree with 35-38 liter range.

[@philgmguitar4856]

Surf n Show Reviews Yes, I am Intermediate. Yeah I felt like I couldn’t really perform with it like I wanted, it felt like too much under my feet. Thanks for your fast answer, helps a lot! 28-30 liters it is then!

[@ccozzarelli]

Hi Noel ! I have a Gremlin 5’9 33,4 lts but I was thinking on selling it and get a shorter one. I’m 5’9 185 pounds intermediate surfer. I’m feeling the 33,4 lts a little too much and I was thinking a little less volume. Mostly surfing mushy beach breaks. So, I was thinking 5’5 Astro Pop or the same gremlin but 5’5 SWALLOW TAIL. Do you think this last one would work the same as the astro pop ???

[@ccozzarelli]

By the way, I’m about to get a Pyzalien 2 as a daily driver. 2 boards quiver

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Cellini Cozzarelli Dick 2 board quiver. Maybe try the Astro POP at 32 liters?

[@ccozzarelli]

Surf n Show Reviews Atro pop 5’5 x 20 x 2,62 31.9 liters. My current gremlin is 5’9 x 2,38 x 2,60. What I’ve read about the Astro pop is that have medium rails instead of fuller rails as the gremlin

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Cellini Cozzarelli The Gremlin is faster down the line but the AP is quick rail to rail and offers more performance. Maybe just take your Gremlin down 1 liter

[@sunglowz3753]

Hey Noel, I need a groveler that helps me progress from beginner intermediate to intermediate. And I’am stuck between the Astro pop and rob machado’s seaside, which one would you recommend?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Sunglowz Both are epic... I say Astro POP because you can use a a Thruster set up to pivot a little better and not slide out as you learn to turn better. Sometimes a Quad can slide out a bit.

[@sunglowz3753]

Thanks, what size should I get if I want to grow into it. I’am 5’8 now and predicted to be 6 feet and a beginner intermediate I can pump and get on the waves easy I just need help turning, 🙏 thanks

[@sunglowz3753]

Astro pop

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Sunglowz Keep the float... make surfing fun and easy to catch waves.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Sunglowz Not sure on what size for you... how much do u weigh?

[@kenkohncke7929]

Great review as always Noel. I am wondering how you would compare the Astro Pop to the FW Seaside?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Ken Kohncke That’s a great comparison... Seaside is a bit faster but the AP offers more hold and performance in the pocket.

[@robertoz7608]

RNF Redux vs Astro pop. I have the RNF 6.4 but I’m looking to get an Astro pop 6.0

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Roberto Z They surf completely different... AP is more performance oriented.

[@danmessore4553]

Yes yes and yew! Noel your a beast of a surfer and great reviews...cheers. I’m pretty loving my 5’8 seaside...but this thing looks spicy...there much between them? I think I’d go 6’0...(I’m 6’0 88kgs)

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Dan Messore The AP offers more performance in the pocket. Better vertical surfing for a Fish

[@danmessore4553]

Surf n Show Reviews thanks for response. How’s it paddle relative to seaside...just thinking re sizing.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Dan Messore It paddles a little better

[@stanshieh]

What about the rail? Medium ?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Rail is full but not boxey

[@KC-ro9ro]

hello noel. Again thanks for all the advices. I watch often your videos and made a lot of decisions based on your input, always been a hit so thank you. My current seaside is kind of giving away due to some accidents. I love it, but right now they dont sell the seaside where i am (or extremely expensive because imported) and i was thinking of trying the astro pop instead to replace it in my 2 board quiver (i have a ghost for better waves). On the website it says for 1 to 6 feet, but you seem to recommend it only for 1 to 3 foot. Why that ? Do you think the seaside would be a better complement to my ghost ? I was definitely interested but i dont want leave a hole in my wave range... I am using machado quads and machado keels by the way

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Astro POP is best in 1-4’ surf. For 5’ surf and bigger ride your ghost.

[@KC-ro9ro]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 ok thanks bro ! will definitely go for it then. I have the machado quads and keels as FCS, do you think it will ride well with it ? i also have my pyzel 5 fin set but in futures so i have to chose which finbox i want depending on which fin set i will use (hate that the segmentation but oh well too late...). Since it looks similar to the seaside i figured it would ride similar with the machado quads and keels, maybe im wrong ?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@KC-ro9ro Go Futures boxes and shred your Pyzel 5 fin set.

[@KC-ro9ro]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks man, much appreciated for all the help 👍

[@chrisnsum1979]

Noel! Thanks for all the epic reviews! So i live near eureka during the summertime here we have a bunch of windswell like 6@8 kinda stuff pretty lumpy and disorganized any ideas on performance groveler for that kinda surf? Thanks!

[@cloud84strife]

Hi Noel, long time I follow your reviews for boards they're alway great and with that punk rock that make a kind of old school/lost mayhem style! I got question about this board: don't have lot of videos that show, I see yours and one of Jack Freestone (wich you also talk about the fins) and Koa Smith. They surf in pretty big waves, especially Jack that surf a solid tube that was I think around 10ft or even more in the take off. For what I see works good too in overhead waves. What do you think about? Would you recommend also for overhead waves?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Carlo Grotti Trevisan Sorry what Fins are you talking about? I’m confused on your question....

[@cloud84strife]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 lol sorry! So I mean that you talked about Jack Freestone's fins, and I've seen a video where he also test of this board, and he was riding a 5'9 of it, in 10 feet solid waves, tubing. So I was asking if in your opinion this board is good also for overhead surfing, or is only cause he's a super pro and can use everything everywhere :D

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Carlo Grotti Trevisan He’s a super pro....

[@cloud84strife]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 oh I was also thinking this, you confirm! :D I'm also a team rider of a brand here in Europe, but really far from those levels! Anyway, this is the video facebook.com/watch/?v=707142579782866

[@ApoorvBisht]

Hi Noel this or Dom 2 for one board ?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

The AP is more of a Groveler… the D2 is a better 1 board quiver

[@ApoorvBisht]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 sick! Thanks.

[@philmahoney17]

Great review! Would you recommend epoxy or PU for 1-3 ft surfing?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Phil Mahoney Epoxy

[@davedave4551]

Loving this as 2+1, do Futures AMK’s work in the Astro Pop?

[@parkerritter3151]

In your opinion for fun but performance east coast 2-7 surf would you go with this , a pyzalien or something else? Let me know as I am going to pull the trigger for a new board soon! The grail you recommended to me has been very fun but looking for something new. Cheers!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Parker Ritter The P2 is epic... I highly recommend it

[@adrianduque7167]

Great Review Noah. Just wanted to ask you, would you recommend this as a first “short board” or are there other options by pyzel you recommend ? Im looking for a board i can get ton of speed out of and work out my turns. Riding right above waist high all the way to 2 foot overhead. Im 5’7 140. Would really appreciate your input man. Stay easy

[@dadthelad]

Hi Noel, what board would you recommend for thigh to waist high, mostly hollow beachies?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

NB2 or NB3

[@dadthelad]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks! Not an Astro Pop or Gremlin? Or any other brands? I can't stand how all Channel Islands boards have a Jesus Fish etched onto them!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@dadthelad Ok bro... the Medina model or the Astro POP is fine

[@dadthelad]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks Noel :D

[@MrB1019]

@@dadthelad how do you figure that? The Jesus thing.. I've never heard of that?

[@nico210293]

Hey Noel! Do you think the AP would work with the Modern Keel (FCS II)?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Nico Franco Sure... curious to see the lines it would draw.

[@nico210293]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks ;)

[@micspaffymillard719]

This vs. Seaside for small waves to 5ft?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Mic Spaffy Millard Both boards are mental... Seaside is faster but the AP offers more pivot in the pocket due to fin set up options

[@micspaffymillard719]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks Noel! love the channel, seen ads for my local surf shop in FL on the videos. Small world keep ripping.

[@daniisrael____6326]

Pyzel is making best boards today ! majority of us are " brands prisoners " and go with brands which not really work and does not suit us ! But with Pyzel its a brand name that works ! Try the Pyzel Happy twin best small wave performance board, works well in small with small board elements and surf and pivots like a shortboard !!! Many of us makes mistaked with Lt, u cannot take same Lt with these small wave chunky full boards, u want good balance and sensitivity, go shorter and less Lt, these boards already carry too much foam...

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

daniisrael____ I told Jon I wanted to review the Happy Twin he said nothing.... crickets. Bummer that board looks epic.

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 maybe some day-- haha

[@Dill_dough20]

White tiger or Astro pop??

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

I like the WT better for smaller waves. It’s faster and grovels better

[@frazerfindlater5356]

Hey Noel, amazing review! I've narrowed my search for a daily driver down to to the Astro Pop and now I'm just wondering about size. I'm 5'10, 187lbs and just starting to link my turns and am looking for something that'll go well in 1-4ft. I thought maybe the 5'9-5'10? What do you recommend?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

I suggest 35-37L... if that seems low you can go 38

[@frazerfindlater5356]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Cheers!

[@aarontaylor8614]

What did you think about the Astro Pop vs MR/Mayhem California Twin?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Aaron Taylor Both boards are sick... Astro POP is more performance and offers more fin set up options.

[@Ariethecatbro]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 what about Astro vs Rocket Wide???

[@joseveliz2204]

Whats the difference between astro pop and astro pop xl?

[@gilkalbfeld1384]

Also is there any way I could do like a zoom call with you or something like that so we don't have to keep going back and forth on KZbin comments. Thanks Gil kalbfeld

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

This is what I offer… surfnshow.com/pages/surfboard-consulting