Surprises in the Gospel of Matthew with Professor Dale Martin

We continue the series of talks on the New Testament with the Gospel of Matthew. Dale Martin is a distinguished American New Testament scholar who taught at Yale University for over 30 years. See his excellent Introduction to New Testament History and Literature (Open Yale Courses) www.amazon.co.uk/Testament-Hi...
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[@brooklyn7722]

This was very interesting. As a former christian........... Once I've reached the book of Matthew, that is when I got that ah-ha awakened moment and dropped Christianity out of my life. I'll never forget that day and where I was at that moment.

[@think-islam-channel]

Hi bro. What was it about Matthew that did that?

[@johnzuma4688]

So what do you believe now?

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Yes... what was it about Matthew that influenced you to drop Christianity?

[@think-islam-channel]

@Jomy Mathew The problem is you don't know what Jesus said. Those quotes are worn in Greek. Jesus pbuh most likely spoke Aramaic not koine Greek. And the gospels conflict in what Jesus supposedly said. Apart from where they copy from each other. Moving from errant texts like that, to such certainty in your dogma is illogical.

[@tikus_pithi1804]

@Jomy Mathew : "What then will the owner of the vineyard do?? He will come and kill those tenants..." Why would the owner of the vineyard kill the tenants?? Anyway, The owner's purpose of sending his son was to let the son be killed by the tenants, wasn't it?? In other words, the owner of the vineyard deliberately sent his son in order that the son could be killed by the tenants. Sorry, but it doesn't seem to make sense to me.

[@freezone..9347]

We are honoured sir to watch both of you discuss such a big topic in history of mankind.. big fan from Kuwait 🇰🇼 salam ✋

[@BloggingTheology]

Salam!

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

"Matthew never says... there was that time when Jesus and I were sitting by the sea of Galilee ..." Very interesting. I had never thought about that. Thanks for sharing.

[@Cemukay]

That is exactly the point he never says as Jesus said to me and I said to Jesus, the reason being Matthew is not the author of Matthew. except for 7 letters of Pauls, the rest of the books in the New Testament are Authors unknown. APOCRICAL, FABRICATED, SPURIOUS AND DUBIOUS... Read Matthew 9:9 Luke 1: 1-2-3-4 John 19:35...John 21:24-25 You will find these people are not the authors, they tell you themselves. They never talked, walked or knew Jesus.

[@mas586pr]

@Harish Rai Are you even Muslim? Or are here to tarnish Muslims? Allah never mentioned in Quran that Injeel is from shaitan, but you did. Please have some self respect, do not be corrupted.

[@truthmatter9972]

For those who say " Injeel is from shaitan and it is full of contradictions. whoever reads it will be thrown in the Jahannam and will be stripped from getting the reward of 72 houris by Allah in jannah" , please let me answer you: 1. Injeel is NOT from Shaitan but it is Allah’s revelation to our beloved prophet Isa PUH. Prophet Isa PUH used to teach Injeel to his Muslim followers. Yes, Prophet Isa was a Muslim as his followers were too. We are as educated Muslims highly respect previous revelations like Injeel and Torah as Allah SW ordered us to do. 2. InJeel was not preserved and we still have some verses of Injeel in the Gospels in the NT. 3. NT , has different versions of Gospels , that has some verses of the original Injeel and has Paul's letters and other peoples letters which have a lot of contradictions 4. Reading the Gospels /Injeel or even NT is not Kofer. Where from did you come by the idea that the reader of Injeel will be thrown in Jahannam ? Is this one of the Salfies / Wahabis theology ? I am not sure.. very strange !! 5. My dear: If you read the Injeel /Gospels/NT/ or the bible, you will be more thankful to Allha SW for the bless of Quran, and second you will be able to be a rounded person who can discuss the problems of the bible with our brothers and sisters in humanity ( the Christians and Jews) and bring them to Islam. This way you can do to heaven not Jahannam ( Fire hill). 6. Also may I kindly ask you to forget this 72 houris , sorry ...this a is retarded idea and disgusting. 7. Please let us stop radicalization and have open mind, be willing to learn and stop sending people to Jahannam as we wish. We may end up in Jahannam because of boasting , radicalization , close minded and under estimating Allah’s mercy and grace to people. I hope this post will not remove like other posts . I have a prove evidence to this post. I can be wrong but I have feeling that there is someone has some sort of access to Blogging Theology Chats and has been removing comments which is un professional and disturbing action , particularly we are not in Saudi Arabia where people opinions and thoughts can be hijacked or silenced. Thank you Brother Paul for this Video and please remain bless . Dr. Sonia Makky

[@truthmatter9972]

@@mas586pr Good for you SG

[@ashokaagniashokaagni1876]

@Harish Rai You are no Muslim, Harish saahib. So stop meting out heaven and hell in here, that is what misguided fundamentalists do, and I mean ALL FUNDAMENTALISTS from every faith.

[@ronakram6690]

Professor Dale Martin seems like an honest and an honorable man.

[@richardbradley1532]

I think the professor backs up the thought that Paul rather than Jesus is the founder of what we today think of today as Christianity.

[@johnzuma4688]

On what do you base that wishful thinking?

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

I am not sure what the professor believes but I personally believe that Jesus Christ is/was the founder of Christianity. Even the word "Christianity" has the word "Christ" within it !!

[@richardbradley1532]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 well it would do. Paul wasn't proselytising about himself. Sadly, Jesus didn't leave any writings, Paul did, and these have had a huge effect on what Christianity is today.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@richardbradley1532 But we do have what I believe are authentic teachings and stories by Jesus in the Gospels. However I do agree that Saint Paul has had a "huge effect on what Christianity is today."

[@dmwallacenz]

@Harish Rai do you have a source for that, or are you making up your own hadeeths?

[@adamchuah2002]

Excellent talk, it started 3am my time, waited till 2.30am and then slept through out the night. There're so much logical thought and analysis about the origin of the gospel, amazing. Skip synotic gospels, go straight to John next, it would be very interesting. Thanks Paul by the way.

[@aw6029]

After the 4 books, can you also invite someone to analyze Paul’s letters?

[@adamchuah2002]

@@aw6029 👍o yes, and Nicene Creed and Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed

[@astroflyinsights]

I really enjoyed this, thank you so much both. Prof Martin seems more at ease too.

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Zeke_11]

Thanks for bringing us another great interview. I think I can safely speak for all subscribers and say we are very thankful for this channel and your efforts. Nice shirt by the way, I like the stripes.

[@terryfox9344]

Paul, Matthew is my favorite as well, and you explained why beautifully!

[@tripp8833]

Amazing , riveting interview. Thank you

[@brooklyn7722]

I loved it

[@alsanchezable]

Very interesting, will be looking forward to your coverage of the Gospel of John with the Professor.

[@Chandransingham]

Gt conversation with Dale Martin on Matthew. "Boring but the Best". Full of praise for the sermon on the mount. Jewishness but allows gentiles in. Witten in 85? Spirit is hovering over and directs Paul and others in the Acts later. Matthew is a stirrer ? Luke and John to follow before his final conclusion ?. Good insight of the gospels. Well done Paul. Keep it going. God bless on fathers day 2021.

[@rizwanramzan5729]

It would interesting to hear a dialogue with Professor Martin and Dr. Ataie. Brother Paul, please set up the dialogue. 👍

[@steelisrael3461]

39:36 I so much enjoy how you struggle with this. Amazing to watch. I just hope your blind eyes and hardened hearts will open to the love and mercy the true living God has offered you in Jesus Christ. I hope so

[@user-ee2qq4hp3z]

Well darling, if the word Isreal means to struggle with God and God loved and cherished the Israelites for it, He surely loves and cherishes Paul and his Guest for their “struggle” here. Those with “blind eyes” and “hardened hearts” are folks like yourself who don’t engage in the “struggle” by deep enquiry to find understanding.

[@MohamedShou]

Another great video Paul very informative

[@BloggingTheology]

Thanks 👍

[@mqandil]

Wow. A different prospective. Love the dialog. Mathew was my favorite as well because it does emphasize the observance of the law which Christians moved passed a long time ago. Only question that still remains is the reason Mathew sent Jesus to Egypt which we know is not historically accurate. Thus this addition invites an explanation. Surely people around his time would have challenged him on this. Or was this addition at a later time by someone else. Was it intentional distortion of facts. I kind of understand why it was added, as it affirms the Jewishness of Jesus but I still don’t understand how can he get away with it.... again great video and looking forward to exploring Luke.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

"It's almost trinitarian.. if one can use that term." I agree with you Paul. And that verse is puzzling to me too. Maybe a piece of the puzzle is missing?

[@jurgeni7545]

the most quoted gospel of christians who preach in curches is gospel of john i mean everytime i see a pastor quoting is john, i thought maybe the new testament is only John and 3 other are heretical years ago, wich is strange cause that gospel is historically written much latter than all 3 other gospels even 4 being canon in curch, the last one is so much quoted than the other 3

[@syahvai]

@Harish Rai wow hindu hindutva extremist in action there. Stop paganism and idolatry first yea.

[@kieranfenn]

I would add ch.18 "On Life and Leadership in the Christian Community" to be as great a challenge to any Church leader as the Washing of the Feet in John. Matthew was my favourite Gospel because it is the teaching Gospel and I have taught Scripture for 46 years. But we are in need of the challenge in all four as well as Paul and the Hebrew Scriptures which were the Bible for Jesus himself.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

"It shatters paradigms". Hey Paul... I like that phrase. I think the love of God, through Jesus Himself, also shatters our standard worldviews regarding religion.

[@samboy90]

@Harish Rai Give it a rest you clown.

[@samboy90]

@Harish Rai Embarrassing masquerading as a Muslim. Wasting your time with these underhanded tactics of yours.

[@mas586pr]

@Harish Rai Are you even Muslim? Or are here to tarnish Muslims? Allah never mentioned in Quran that Injeel is from shaitan, but you did. Please have some self respect, do not be corrupted.

[@haumaleenpodcast6182]

Jazakallah

[@steelisrael3461]

37:42 You gotta keep finding it amazing man. What you are looking for, you surely will see.

[@agentgunslinger4406]

TIME STAMPS PLZ

[@themystic4312]

@Blogging Theology if possible please invite Edip Yuskel to one of your discussions.

[@rustyjames1900]

Beautiful debate Peace family

[@steelisrael3461]

You enjoy ignorance right? It's easier isn't it?

[@KALAMoLOGY]

Awesome

[@BloggingTheology]

👍

[@samiraptor5933]

Can you please summarize these long videos .. thanks

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@Harish Rai Hey.. .that is no way to "summarize" the videos for the person who commented. Don't you agree?

[@ohpeopleofthebook6679]

Assalamualaikum Paul. I lived in the South of France in pyrenees for 3 years in the 90's in Pau. I worked in a hotel in lourdes

[@Ilyas-vl4dd]

Isaiah 42 talks about the coming of a new Prophet for the Gentiles: “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight, I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations. He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his teaching the islands will put their hope. This is what God the Lord says- the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it: I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness. “I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols. See, the former things have taken place, and new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you.”''- Isaiah 42:10 This part of the chapter talks about an upcoming Prophet who shall have a covenant with God and shall bring light to the Gentiles. This part cannot apply to Jesus as Jesus himself says: ''Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep-the people of Israel.”''- Matthew 15:24 The prophecy says that the Prophet shall bring righteousness to the Gentiles and God shall not allow His praise to be given to idols. Prophet Muhammad was sent to Arabs who were Gentiles and brought them from idol worship to worshipping God alone. ''Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it, you islands, and all who live in them. Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices; let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. Let the people of Sela sing for joy; let them shout from the mountaintops. Let them give glory to the Lord and proclaim his praise in the islands. The Lord will march out like a champion, like a warrior he will stir up his zeal. With a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies. “For a long time I have kept silent, I have been quiet and held myself back. But now, like a woman in childbirth, I cry out, I gasp and pant. I will lay waste the mountains and hills and dry up all their vegetation I will turn rivers into islands and dry up the pools. I will lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them, I will turn the darkness into light before them and make the rough places smooth. These are the things I will do; I will not forsake them. But those who trust in idols, who say to images, ‘You are our gods,’ will be turned back in utter shame.''- Isaiah 42:11-17 This part talks about the Prophet bringing a new law. This cannot apply to Jesus as he lived by Mosaic law. The chapter says that this Song shall envelop the Earth. Muslims read The Quran, praising God from all over the world. This Prophecy is even more specific as it tells us where this Prophet shall be. It says that this Prophet shall be from the settlements of Kedar. Where is Kedar? The OT tells us: ''“‘Arabia and all the princes of Kedar were your customers; they did business with you in lambs, rams and goats.''- Ezekiel 27:21 This Prophet must be from Arabia. Where shall this Prophet be? Near the mountain of Sela. Sela is a mountain in Madina, where the Prophet Muhammad lived. It continues and says that this Prophet shall fight and will triumph over his enemies. Prophet Muhammad defeated his enemies and triumphed over them. It says that idolaters will be turned back in utter shame. Prophet Muhammad defeated them and the idolaters were defeated. “Hear, you deaf; look, you blind, and see! Who is blind but my servant, and deaf like the messenger I send? Who is blind like the one in covenant with me, blind like the servant of the Lord? You have seen many things, but you pay no attention; your ears are open, but you do not listen.” It pleased the Lord for the sake of his righteousness to make his law great and glorious. But this is a people plundered and looted, all of them trapped in pits or hidden away in prisons. They have become plunder, with no one to rescue them, they have been made loot, with no one to say, “Send them back.” Which of you will listen to this or pay close attention in time to come? Who handed Jacob over to become loot, and Israel to the plunderers? Was it not the Lord, against whom we have sinned? For they would not follow his ways; they did not obey his law. So he poured out on them his burning anger, the violence of war. It enveloped them in flames, yet they did not understand; it consumed them, but they did not take it to heart.''- Isaiah 42:18-25 This is the end of the chapter. Here, the Torah gives a severe warning and chastises those who reject this Prophet. It tells the people being addressed they have seen many things, they reject them and do not pay attention. The Quran also chastises the unbelievers in this way: ''As for those who disbelieve and reject Our signs they will be the residents of the Hellfire.''- Quran 5:86 ''And whoever turns away from My remembrance - indeed, he will have a depressed [i.e., difficult] life, and We will gather [i.e., raise] him on the Day of Resurrection blind."- Quran 20:124 The chapter says, ''Which of you will listen to this or pay close attention in time to come?'' This is a question to the Children of Israel and tells them to pay close attention when the time of this Prophet comes. This is similar to the Quran when it says: ''O People of the Book! Now Our Messenger has come to you, revealing much of what you have hidden of the Scriptures and disregarding much. There certainly has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.''- Quran 5:15 And peace be upon our master Muhammad and his family and companions - و صل الله علي سيدنل محمد و علي أالهى و اصحايه اجمعين

[@phenomenal17playz]

I have a question. Why most of scholars date the gospels 70 AD? Is there any reason to date it? Because some and minority views gospels was written before 70 AD. Well how do we know about it.

[@alikhaled555]

Please invite hamza yusuf or abdalhakim murad to discuss their opinions, which were mentioned, in the previous salafi video

[@Salafiyahisthehaqq]

I hope not, as Hamzah Yusuf is a caller to Shirk al Akbar!

[@truthmatter9972]

Last video was so disapointing from BR. Paul

[@jhake67]

why does nobody talks about the ascencion?

[@truthmatter9972]

For those who say " Injeel is from shaitan and it is full of contradictions. whoever reads it will be thrown in the Jahannam and will be stripped from getting the reward of 72 houris by Allah in jannah" , please let me answer you: 1. Injeel is NOT from Shaitan but it is Allah’s revelation to our beloved prophet Isa PUH. Prophet Isa PUH used to teach Injeel to his Muslim followers. Yes, Prophet Isa was a Muslim as his followers were too. We are as educated Muslims highly respect previous revelations like Injeel and Torah as Allah SW ordered us to do. 2. InJeel was not preserved and we still have some verses of Injeel in the Gospels in the NT. 3. NT , has different versions of Gospels , that has some verses of the original Injeel and has Paul's letters and other peoples letters which have a lot of contradictions 4. Reading the Gospels /Injeel or even NT is not Kofer. Where from did you come by the idea that the reader of Injeel will be thrown in Jahannam ? Is this one of the Salfies / Wahabis theology ? I am not sure.. very strange !! 5. My dear: If you read the Injeel /Gospels/NT/ or the bible, you will be more thankful to Allha SW for the bless of Quran, and second you will be able to be a rounded person who can discuss the problems of the bible with our brothers and sisters in humanity ( the Christians and Jews) and bring them to Islam. This way you can do to heaven not Jahannam ( Fire hill). 6. Also may I kindly ask you to forget this 72 houris , sorry ...this a is retarded idea and disgusting. 7. Please let us stop radicalization and have open mind, be willing to learn and stop sending people to Jahannam as we wish. We may end up in Jahannam because of boasting , radicalization , close minded and under estimating Allah’s mercy and grace to people. I hope this post will not remove like other posts . I have a prove evidence to this post. I can be wrong but I have feeling that there is someone has some sort of access to Blogging Theology Chats and has been removing comments which is un professional and disturbing action , particularly we are not in Saudi Arabia where people opinions and thoughts can be hijacked or silenced. Thank you Brother Paul for this Video and please remain bless . Dr. Sonia Makky

[@muhammadkhairulizat]

The question is, who is this Matthew??

[@OrdonyFlastiny]

This inteeview is full of information

[@brooklyn7722]

It sure is

[@rizwanramzan5729]

Jesus pbuh calls his followers "On the straight path in submission", which is the literal definition for the Arabic word 'Islam'. Judiasm as a religion name was never called out by Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace upon all of them). Being a 'Jew' is an ethnic group not a religion. So essence, Jesus pbuh (like all of the Prophets) was teaching Islam..

[@homtanks7259]

☝🏻

[@jimiarisandi]

Subhanallah im waiting you sir to back to speaker corner. You have calm style .

[@MonicaSĪGÑofJõñãhYUNIS]

@Shalom Shalom Asalam Alaikum... Interesting...

[@jimiarisandi]

@Shalom Shalom ok so its perfect if everybody agree tobe muslim , to worship only one god, wich is have no son no parrent , he him self sufficient , and perfect no need any other.

[@jimiarisandi]

@@MonicaSĪGÑofJõñãhYUNIS waalaikumsalam warohmatullah wabarokatuh

[@jimiarisandi]

@Shalom Shalom we have many common sense except we are muslim bealive prophet isa alaihisallam and muhamad salallah alaihiwasalam wether jews reject both of them.

[@Syed_12]

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[@richardbradley1532]

Maybe the 'trinity' bit of Mathew is a later edit?

[@johnzuma4688]

There is no evidence that Matthew 28:19 was added later. And within the context of the whole Gospel it makes perfect sense.

[@richardbradley1532]

@@johnzuma4688 more a question than a comment. But the trinity is a bit a weird mind feck.

[@salah777]

@@johnzuma4688 trinity is the most stupid greek legend ever

[@johnzuma4688]

@@salah777 You say "the Trinity is the most stupid Greek legend ever". On what do you base this claim? Do have any proof at all that the Trinity is a Greek legend? If not are you admitting that you are ignorant or are you saying you are dishnonest?

[@salah777]

@@johnzuma4688 greeks always created legends about many gods your bible talk about 3 gods so it's a pagan religion made by criminals who tried to kill Jesus, if you think they tried to kill Jesus so they would have no problem corrupting his messege just look to the 27 gospels how they contradict each others why sould i believe 4 gospels and refuse 23 others written at the same time all gospels are made by non prophets so they are fake, if you belive god is a man so you are a donkey

[@gavinjames1145]

The Sermon on the Mount must surely be the best part of the Christian Bible! Of course there are echoes of the Sermon in Luke's Gospel, juxtaposed with the Woe passages. Could the Sermon, therefore, be from the Q source, I wonder?

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

They could be from the Q source, or maybe just from the oral teachings of Jesus that the Gospel writers remembered.

[@johnzuma4688]

@Shalom Shalom Please show Hebrew sources where the word Hebrew word muslim is explained.

[@Cemukay]

"The Sermon on the Mount must surely be the best part of the Christian Bible!" Sermon of the mount is not unique to the Christian bible. It is a copy from the Old Testament.

[@gavinjames1145]

@@Cemukay Which part of the 'Old Testament' has the Sermon on the Mount been copied from?

[@Cemukay]

“This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, 10 your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us today our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation,[j] but deliver us from the evil one.[k]’ 14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins, PARTLY COPY FROM OLD TESTAMENT...MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH COPY FROM ISAIAH

[@mohamedsmaili297]

salam alikoum brother paul

[@mohamedsmaili297]

​@Shalom Shalom Allah the only true god said to the Jesus son of Mary the only true messiah (machiah= משׁיח =messiah= المسيح ): (116. And Allah will say, “O Jesus son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Take me and my mother as gods rather than Allah?'“ He will say, “Glory be to You! It is not for me to say what I have no right to. Had I said it, You would have known it. You know what is in my soul, and I do not know what is in Your soul. You are the Knower of the hidden. 117. I only told them what You commanded me: that you shall worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I was among them; but when You took me to Yourself, You became the Watcher over them-You are Witness over everything. 118. If You punish them, they are Your servants; but if You forgive them, You are the Mighty and Wise.” 119. Allah will say, “This is a Day when the truthful will benefit from their truthfulness.” They will have Gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will remain forever. Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him. That is the great attainment.) sourate 5 al-ma'idah (the table) ayah 116 to 119

[@mohamedsmaili297]

@Shalom Shalom thank's

[@johnzuma4688]

@Shalom Shalom It is "tamim" which means "perfect" and not muslim.

[@johnzuma4688]

@@mohamedsmaili297 So what does messiah mean according to the Quran?

[@johnzuma4688]

@Shalom Shalom it is the word "tamim" not muslim and it tamim does mean perfect.

[@aladdinsalhi4588]

Sorry paul to much ads

[@mikehutton3937]

This is more good stuff. Why should the dual mission be a paradox? This was (after all) the pattern of the early Church, and this is the pattern we see emerging in Luke/Acts. Indeed, it remained the pattern until Christian enmity for Jews raised its ugly head after the diaspora and conflict between the two heightened as a result. It is still the pattern in some parts of the global church. What also seems odd to me is the sense of some sort of historical tension between Gentile church vs Jewish church (or as you would put it, Paul vs Peter). We know this isn't an issue as the relationship is spelled out clearly in Acts. It is the one area where it would appear that Luke was aware of the Jewish nature of Matthew's gospel in that nature, of a Jewish church which contains Gentiles, and also the reasoning behind observance by Jews of the covenant of Moses (which is the basis of the Law) as opposed to sufficient adherence so as to avoid controversy within the church (and possibly a reference to the Noahide covenant) by Gentiles. All bound up in the new covenant in Jesus. We know that, in general, there was a disagreement within the church between the "Judiazers" (those who would impose the Law on gentiles) and those who would not. But that was dealt with in the Council of Jerusalem, and thereafter the remnants of that movement continued to agitate and so are mentioned by the likes of Ignatius as still being an issue. Or have I misunderstood?

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

To me, the "dual mission" is not a paradox. But how the "mission" of Jesus became a global challenge is still a mystery to me. I appreciate your good comments.

[@mikehutton3937]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 From my perspective (and it is a relief as I'm one of those pesky Gentiles) the transition to accepting Gentile members within the Church is both foreshadowed in the Gospels (and IIRC the OT as well), but is primarily borne out by the practical experience of the 1st Century church as it increasingly moved out from Jerusalem and Judea as a whole. There is within Judaism the idea that the Jews are a light to the Gentiles (Isa 49:6) Jesus occasionally deals with Gentiles, albeit reluctantly, in the Gospels (Matt 8 & 15) So there is some precedent for the apostles to follow. When the apostles do go out to the synagogues outside of Judea they encounter first Gentiles who attend synagogues, and then Gentiles outside of the synagogue context. What happens when these people hear the gospel? Well, by the accounts we have in Acts, their acceptance of the message is accompanied by manifestations of the Holy Spirit, by which we have to presume all or fewer of the gifts mentioned in 1 Corinthians. It is also worth noting that Jesus uses miracles to reinforce His teaching, particularly when it came to His being able to forgive sins. So God backing up the work of the Kingdom with signs also has precedent within Jesus' ministry. What to do about that? You have to spread the Gospel, but when Gentiles are saved they are saved without being circumcised first. Indeed, the manifestations of being saved continue in spite of their uncircumcision. So from my perspective the transformation of the "mission" of Jesus to a global challenge occurs primarily after Pentecost, and is a direct result of the evidence put in front of the disciples. After all, they'd been sent out twice before. So they weren't completely new to this. Hence the dispute which was resolved (for most or at least some) at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15. From my perspective it matters not whether the Great Commission at the end of Matthew (and actually Luke as well) is an invention in the mind of skeptical academics or not. The narrative in Acts, paralleled in other accounts, explains what happened and why. Is the above of any use?

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@mikehutton3937 YES... your comments are of great use and thought-provoking. I hope some Muslims read your comments and think over what you said. You sound educated and you are very good with the structure of sentences. What do you mean by "it matters not whether the Great Commission at the end of Matthew is an invention in the mind of skeptical academics or not"? You mean that the words themselves in Matthew are assumed to be "make believe" buy modern "skeptical academics"? I appreciate your sharing. God bless....

[@mikehutton3937]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 The "it matters not" is down to the existence of multiple evidences which show that the Gospel was intended to become a global commission. The key evidence is in Acts. But the foretelling of the Gospel being taken to the Gentiles is there in both Matthew and Acts (it is heavily implied in John as well). So even if skeptic academics pooh pooh one strand which calls this change from national to international mission, there are plenty more independent sources which support it as well. I could almost say the evidence is overwhelming. All I do is take the Bible holistically and yet at face value, and treat it as a evolutionary and (as far as possible) non-dogmatic series of revelations. That type of reading of scripture is quite alien to many Muslims, not to mention the odd academic or two. Key areas of theology help, such as understanding covenants and accurate exegesis help. An interest in the writings of the early Church fathers and early church struggles with Gnosticism in particular helps. Thank you for your kind words. God bless you too.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@mikehutton3937 Thanks again... what did you mean by treating the Bible as "a evolutionary and non-dogmatic series of revelations." Can you explain more what you meant? Peace

[@kieranfenn]

There seems to be an early Baptismal use of the form "baptism in the name of Jesus Christ".

[@andrevisser7542]

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:15 KJV And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11 KJV For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24 KJV

[@anonamos3287]

The false Christs are you Christians that follow the opposite of what the true message your own name uses, those same two words that making up the term anti-christ = christi-anity So even a child can see what you believe really is the opposite.

[@andrevisser7542]

@@anonamos3287, wow thanks, that must be revelation straight from Uranus. 😂😂😂

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@anonamos3287 How do you know that "anti-christ" stands for "christi-anity"? I thought "Christianity" contains the word "Christian" with the suffix "ity" added ? The word "Christian" in Greek is "Christianos" which means follower of Christ or "little Christ". So would not the English word "Christian" with "ity" at the end just mean "the condition of being a Christian" or the concept of following Christ? If it means the concept of following Christ, then how can the name itself also mean "follow the opposite of Christianity" ?? Your statement sounds confusing to me. Or do I misunderstand what the word really means? Do I misunderstand what you are saying?? By the way... JESUS Himself was called a "false Christ" by many people 2,000 years ago. Yet His true message of love for all mankind, including Muslims, still stands !! PEACE

[@andrevisser7542]

@عمر عبدالعزيز احمد محمد - D - Where did Matthew talk about the spirit that confess Jesus? Your prophet's name in Song of Solomon? I'm sure you didn't read the few verses before, describing her lover: My beloved is *white and ruddy,* the chiefest among ten thousand. Song of Solomon 5:10 KJV Must be Muhammad. 😂😂😂 Christians definitely don't see anyone but Yehovah as their God. Paul is an excellent example of exactly why Jesus manifested in flesh and what he came to do, sadly Muslims reject it therefore they can't experience God's Spirit.

[@andrevisser7542]

@عمر عبدالعزيز احمد محمد - D - OK, quoting from 1 John, let's read a bit further: In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. 1 John 4:9‭-‬10‭, ‬13‭-‬15 KJV Don't think I have to add to that..... Songs of Solomon.... The song of songs, *which is Solomon's.* Song of Solomon 1:1 KJV I doubt it that it is about Muhammad. 🤔 I told you, I believe in one God, Yehovah, who *manifested* in flesh (Adam's fallen state) representing fallen Adam to restore what Adam has lost and save those who believe on him from satan's bondage. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. John 1:10‭-‬11 KJV

[@allykhan8594]

Saul.of Tartus was a believer in GodS before he became christian and he manage to Preserve the Beliefs of multiple GodS after his conversion. And as Greek and Roman mythology have us believe, man can turn to gods, gods can turn to men!

[@johnzuma4688]

What are your sources for the claims you make?

[@allykhan8594]

@@johnzuma4688 most are factual. 1st pope constantine was a worshiper of GodS

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@allykhan8594 "1st pope Constantine" ?

[@allykhan8594]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 1st roman emperor i meant not pope.

[@Cemukay]

As a KZbinr myself I have made over 80 videos, several videos are concerning the Books of the New Testament. In my research and my studying of the events and the history of these books, I found them to be historically unreliable, to say the least. From Paul to the last book are all contains FABRICATED BOOKS, SPURIOUS VERSES AND DUBIOUS AUTHORS...

[@kadrunnazareth5913]

Really??

[@Cemukay]

@@kadrunnazareth5913 REALLY.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@Cemukay What kind of "research" made you believe the New Testament is "historically unreliable"?

[@Cemukay]

​@@johnbrzykcy3076 Just like any person who is interested to know what sort of wool being put over our eyes. For example, Old Testament says there were 600.000 Thousand fighting men that left Egypt. KJV 12:37 "And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that was men, beside children". I gave them wives each and fathers and mothers you are looking at 3 to 4 million Jews. This is impossible considering Eygpt's population at the time of Exodus. WE ARE NOT FINISHED YET, according to the Archeologist, Egyptologist reports, and investigations No exodus took place from Egypt. No trace of evidence that Jews ever spent any time in the Sinai desert. This is a historical lie... Did First Jews followers of Jesus Ebonites ever worship Jesus? The answer is NO. That answer is Historically True. They did not worship or thought of him as a god. That's how you learn Read and study.

[@nabilaljabari9798]

BR Paul why don't you record debates in speakers corner? you are a moderately good debater

[@chrystallapsomas2030]

Surely there were a lot of things to sort out when the church was first established. One of them was whether Christians had to follow the law of moses and be circumcised or not. Peter said yes Paul no. I believe it was Paul who undertook the preaching to the gentiles. I don't find any of this strange because although jesus left his teachings there were many things for the apostles and Paul to decide on which jesus had not mentioned.

[@glennewell2436]

Was Matthew referring to Noahites. Those that kept the 7 commandments and were therefore considered 'righteous gentiles'.

[@HasanHasan-mm9vw]

Hamza Tzortis

[@CHILDRENOFLIGHTMINISTRY]

Mark didn't say " Jesus is gonna come back in year 70"? Where did you get it? It looks fishy!

[@Fahad-gf1wx]

Please invite Hamza tzortzis to discuss philosophy of mind

[@Salafiyahisthehaqq]

I sincerely hope he doesn’t due to the fact that Philosophy has nothing to do with Islam.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@Salafiyahisthehaqq I think "philosophy" does indeed have a lot to do with our perceptions of various religions and worldviews. Both "religion" and "Philosophy" try to seek and answer the most important questions regarding life. But I respect how you feel. PEACE

[@Salafiyahisthehaqq]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Tes but that is you coming from a Christian perspective. In our opinion as orthodox Muslims, philosophy is what turned Jesus into God! Philosophy pollutes the call that the messengers came with, since the revelation from God is not in need or to be subjected to the opinions of men in its foundation. We are not in need of any philosophy in Islam. As the best arguments and proofs are contained within the Quran itself. Also Jesus and Moses and Muhammad Alayhim as salaat was Salam did not speculate regarding their Lord and the meaning of life. They called people to the truth based upon certain knowledge, not intellectually deduced arguments that are subjective. The Prophets and Messengers were not Philosophers. I hope that makes sense!

[@steelisrael3461]

43:20 Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." Notice Jesus himself said, he came to FULFILL FULFILL FULFILL. May the Lord open your eyes!

[@steelisrael3461]

48:41 But the point of the gospels being four in number is not to replicate eachother. Else why four gospels anyway? I don't seem to understand your point. Each writer draws on different emphasis. I mean, why is it so difficult to see? Let these gospels speak for themselves and take away exactly ALL they say, not SOME. Peace!

[@thinker3119]

Somebody send these videos to j smith and woods gang

[@jamesupton4996]

It's interesting. Paul will have been dead, at least twenty years before Matthew was written, and Mark was written also maybe twenty years before. Neither of these two writers fixated on Jesus adhering rigidly to the Torah, although we know that Paul himself, seems to have followed it. There was also, in the life of the early church, the non-Judaic practice of the breaking of bread in the community. We know that Jesus was Torah observant. So: given that Mark was earlier, and more 'raw' in its depiction of Jesus I wonder why PW prefers Matthew, if he wants to get at the historical Jesus' teaching?

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

"Matthew forces the church to it's Jewishness." I like that. However I don't think I'd use the word "forces" because I think we as Christians should simply accept the Jewish background of Jesus and His followers.

[@MonicaSĪGÑofJõñãhYUNIS]

Was Jesus a Jew practicing Judaism or was he a Hebrew?

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@MonicaSĪGÑofJõñãhYUNIS That's a great question but to be honest, I don't know the difference. What would be the difference?

[@MonicaSĪGÑofJõñãhYUNIS]

@Shalom Shalom Was he a Hebrew?

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@MonicaSĪGÑofJõñãhYUNIS I believe Jesus spoke Hebrew. ( But He also must have known Greek ). What's your point ?

[@MonicaSĪGÑofJõñãhYUNIS]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 🤔

[@fredie.cayed.m]

Thanks for such an amazing interview. I understand all those names like Mathew, Paul, Luke, and their likes are fabricated characters with no middle or first name. All I can say is "the streets are filled with idiots." The other day i heard Ahmad Deedat in an old video that Jesus Christ in his 2nd coming will discard all those followers who called him "Lord". I wonder what is "historical Jesus" and the real Jesus. Why is Christianity so complicated? This is what happens when people interpolate God's words.

[@freezone..9347]

So you guys knew all the way and never mention it to people? Why?

[@rashidaquil5284]

it is time for Muslims to be more enlightened but be humbled as most Christians scholars have said Quran is the true Word Of God The time has come for Muslims to be more humble and gracious Alhamdulilah

[@MonicaSĪGÑofJõñãhYUNIS]

Insha Allah... The Veil of the Schism's of Mysticism will lift and shed the light upon Muslim's. The spells of ARROGANCE that have spellbound many Muslim's as SUPERIOR over the WORLD will disappear.

[@tripp8833]

I respect the Quran and I’m atheist. It’s very good work... If Islam was based on around Quran, it would be much better

[@MonicaSĪGÑofJõñãhYUNIS]

@@tripp8833 People with dark heart's bring Islam into the DARK...instead of into the light...

[@Razzaqabuali]

We need nobody to tell us that .

[@bbccnn8836]

No new testament scholar ever said Quran is from God.... They just opined to satisfy the question of Paul.

[@maenalmilli3396]

A point is made in this video that the spirit disappears with the ascension of the body of Jesus peace be upon him. The bewilderment can be treated by knowing that the spirit is gods messengers exclusive. That means that the main channel of God’s inspiration Gate was temporarily closed. When is it opens again it opened with the subsequent message of inspiration that becomes scripture. When will spirit show up it will be at the end of days when God almighty comes with all the angels including the spirit of holy to manifest that he has always been the king of kings and that the world has been ever his kingdom.

[@steelisrael3461]

49:07 there is absolutely NOTHING shocking about the gospel of Matthew, at phase value.

[@zeuszeus5228]

Sa majesty ordre tres chers mattiew du royaume du texas mis en deumeur letter dans l assembled avais vous prepared declared seigneur la taxes detole e le tribu? Pour le royaume? De la fraicheur sa majesty ordre la bible et la fortune lordre

[@HussainFahmy]

*_The Last Testament, the Noble Quran is preserved for mankind and the evidence is the inspiration to all those who sincerely seek the truth, a way of life as ordained by Allah, Islam._*

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

You said "the evidence is the inspiration." I also see the wonderful "inspiration" that Jesus gives to people to love God and love their neighbors.

[@hasansami1099]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 We agree on what you are saying .. We know that Jesus was calling to worship god and love him .. and love our neighbors .. But how should you love god is the question? By believing that he sent his innocent son to die for someone else's sin? We say that the message of Jesus to correct the Jews on their missguided teachings bc we all know that they have lost a lot of their original teachings during their time in exile.. So he was sent only to them and he was calling them according to the teachings of the Injeel (the revelation from god) So the question is do Christians love god according to Jesus peace be upon him or according to someone else? If you watch almost all Christian theologians and thinkers you will always see them always not 100% of what they should believe in from the bible bc they can't be sure about the authenticity of what they taking their believe from .. Thats my opinion and may god guide you and us to his truth.. ❤

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@hasansami1099 Your question, "how should you love god.." is indeed an excellent question. We need to inquire of what Jesus said. Peace

[@hasansami1099]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Yes true .. but according to which gospel? Its obvious that the current bible in our hands is not the word of God almost every Christian theologians says so .. So how can you still trust it knowing its just an opinion of men about The message of Jesus.. not THE message itself ?! Peace

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@hasansami1099 I believe that the basic New Testament we have today is historically close to the original Gospels that were orally communicated at first and then written down. God used limited, finite men to write the various Gospels so we can read different accounts about the life of Jesus. Yet, these different accounts are complimentary, not contradictory. So I don't believe the Gospel accounts are "just an opinion of men." If they are, Christianity will collapse. God's word will never collapse. PEACE

[@steelisrael3461]

39:47 Why stick in the Son? How about, "that's exactly what the Holy Spirit inspired Matthew to write"?

[@user-zy9qu9uh3b]

The Gospels are books written by human beings. They differ in reciting events and facts from one to another. Professor Martin has also mentioned the fact that that the Gospel of Matthew was not even written by Matthew himself but rather by an anonymous writer. How can the person trust the information given in a book whose author is anonymous?! No one knows to what extent he was honest and trustworthy. This is a real existential problem because it not only affects the person in this life, but also ruins his/her Hereafter if the information of these books was false or misguided. Yet, the holy Quran revealed by angel Gibreel the holy spirit peace be upon him to prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him is the book of God SWT, that tells the truth not only about prophet Jesus Christ peace and blessings be upon him but also about all the other prophets peace and blessings be upon them all. It is the only book preserved from pervertion and inconsistencies. 💝 Thank God for the bliss of Islam. 💐

[@peaceinjesus5221]

No Christian claims that Jesus was NOT "a Torah observant Jew"!

[@salah777]

Christians didn't agree with each other on the death of Christ one proof of that is that most gospels didn't make it into the Bible and some of them say that Jesus isn't a god and he didn't die those people who believed in non canonical gospels were killed by the churches History is witten by the victors, if they tried to kill a prophet(Jesus) do you think they would have a problem corrupting his message

[@peaceinjesus5221]

​@Harish Rai I agree. However, unfortunately the Injeel doesn't exist according to your fellow Muslims who say 'its lost', so its impossible to read in any case. And according to Christianity, the Injeel never existed in the first place and therefore has no 'contradictions' - so again its impossible to read.

[@peaceinjesus5221]

@@salah777 Which Christians: "didn't agree with each other on the death of Christ" - it would helpful if you provide precise names and details instead of making statements out of your imagination. re: "one proof of that is that most gospels didn't make it into the Bible" >> I think Salah, you are a victim of the misinformation or "fake news" that is pervasive in the Muslim community over the internet! Which "gospels didn't make it into the Bible"? - please refrain from making unqualified statements with no foundation. re: "some of them say that Jesus isn't a god and he didn't die" >> and which are they please? Please provide precise details and then we can look at them for your evidence - ok? re: "those people who believed in non canonical gospels were killed by the churches" >> Oh? And which people and which "non canonical gospels" are you referring to? Again give precise details - not generalised statements out of the air. re: "History is witten by the victors" >> Very often, yes, I agree. In the 7th to 8th centuries when the aggressive Arab invasions of other peoples and nations, swept across North Africa and Palestine, the Muslim Arabs destroyed the earliest gospels we had, when they destroyed the Great Library at Cesarea Maritime. It contained the earliest gospels and 30,000 Christian and Jewish scrolls, all burnt to ashes. There is NO history of the Activities of the Muslim Arabs in the 7th and 8th centuries for us to read! Nothing exists until the 9th and 10th centuries, over 300 years after Mohammed allegedly died. This means that there is no written history for this period of the Arabs. Instead the writings are a collection of purported actions and myths, which appear to have been built up over time and which give an impression of "History written by the victors"...just as you said! In reality it appears to have been a complete whitewash of the history of the Arab aggression in the 7th and 8th centuries of pillage and destruction!

[@salah777]

@@peaceinjesus5221 History is written by victors exactly the Greek pagans tried to kill Jesus then to absorb the wrath of people they told them that he's sacrifice was for the great good, and the donkeys believed them, how could you believe those pagans who tried to kill Jesus?who wrote the bible and for info the original bibles were lost before Islam came... so find a better lie for the loss of the true aramaic bibke in which god is called Allah just like the muslims god

[@salah777]

@@peaceinjesus5221 you idiot according to you Jesus died who killed him? if those in power killed him couldn't they corrupt the Bible archaeologists confirm that Paul is the founder of Christianity and he was a spy for the roman empire which you think killed Jesus

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Hey Paul... thanks for sharing. "And his disciples came and urged him saying 'Send her away..." But notice that Jesus did not send the Canaanite woman away ! I think this event reveals a truth about Jesus that only a deeper analysis can unfold. You said that Jesus "did not want to deal with her." But I don't think Jesus had any intention to reject the woman.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@Shalom Shalom Thanks. I will have to research the word "Muslim" but I appreciate your clarification.

[@Alehamod]

Allah تعلي said; Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, "We hear and disobey" and "Hear but be not heard" and "Ra'ina," twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. And if they had said [instead], "We hear and obey" and "Wait for us [to understand]," it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few. (46)

[@steelisrael3461]

50:22 Yes. You can compare the sermon on the Mount to Qur'an Chapter 9 (At.tawbah) and tell me why you think Islam is of the true living God.

[@sulemanrashida8451]

Bible is a very interesting book to study! It amazes me how some learned people still claim that Bible is a divine word of God. Matthew 2:23 claims and called Jesus a Nazarene to fulfill the prophecy of the Old Testament but there's no where in the OT that it was prophesied that the Messiah will be called or referred to as a Nazarene!

[@sulemanrashida8451]

@Jomy Mathew 😂😂😂😂😂! Thank You very much for pick-pointing the most ridiculous, deceptive and debatable verses in your library (Bible).

[@sulemanrashida8451]

@Jomy Mathew 😂😂😂😂😂, I want to wee-wee 🏃‍♂️! We all know that the Hadith is the collection of the life of Prophet Muhammad saw. There are quite a lot of untraceable stories and fabrications found in the Hadith that were sneaked into the Hadith by the desperate Christians and Jews at the time when the Hadith was being collected, all this were done by the enemy of Prophet Muhammad saw just to cause confusions and division among the followers of Prophet Muhammad saw. We thank Allah swt for granting the Muslims scholars right from the life time of prophet Muhammad SAW till date the abilities to differentiate facts and false and able to filter the fabrications. I wish you Christians were able to filter and remove the despicable claims in the Bible too. Jesus said in John 16:13 "When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth. For he will not speak on his own, but he will speak whatever he hears. He will also declare to you what is to come." I won't be surprised if you disagree with this verse because you Christians are illogical; refused to use your heads.

[@sulemanrashida8451]

@Jomy Mathew you are full of ignorants; you need to go back to elementary school. You are definitely one of the subscribers of David Wood, Sam Shamoun, and Anthony Rogers the Islamophobias who claimed to have studied Islam but knew nothing about Islam. Those cowards like you were destroyed by Sheikh Uthman. Please search for the video to see how your ... were treated like babies that they are.

[@sulemanrashida8451]

@Jomy Mathew your knowledge of Islam is hear-say. You are blindly following Christianity. Christians are so predictable!😂. I knew you were going to say John 16:13 is referring holy spirit! Which holy spirit? Is it the one that appears to Jesus as a dove during baptism? Or the one that led him to the wilderness? Is it the one that dwells in us? Or the one that crunched the disciples in the book of Acts? I have never seen a book that is as ridiculous as that book called "bible."

[@sulemanrashida8451]

Please share the verse; give me the reference in the OT.

[@duniarael4592]

Anothee logical approach than can be openly accepted by closely rmind.. Subhanallah

[@allykhan8594]

Subhana Rabbinal A'laa. The crucifixion of Jesus pbuh, was most likely to be a Jewish interjection (at the time) as it will support the denial.of Jesus pbuh being the Messiah. Their belief is the Messiah could not be crucified, any such person is a fraud..

[@saliksayyar9793]

Son of man returning refers to the wrath of God , because the Jews rejected Jesus and it happened in the year 70 AD at the hands of the Romans. The end of the world/time refers to end of Jewish society in Palestine. That is what mattered not the rest of the world. The entire world was not even known to people living in Palestine

[@steelisrael3461]

37:59 You want to interprete it differently? The sad news for you is that, it wouldn't in anyway fit with the other Chapters and verses of the New testament. Oh well

[@ronaldharris6569]

So long story short we don't who wrote it .we don't know when it was written ,evidence shows it may be a slightly rewritten copy of another book. Theology the big book of multiple guess

[@tombuddy100]

Is the Quran or the standard Islamic narrative of how Islam originated going to be critically examined any time soon, or that is beyond question?

[@think-islam-channel]

He has a video on that. What questions or discussion do you have on that?

[@tombuddy100]

@@think-islam-channel I have no questions about that, because whatever question I have had about that in the past and made any comments about it in the past, I was "proclaimed" an ignorant or troll or something like that. People replied with various degree of anger, as if Islam must be free and protected from such discussion. I'd just like Mr. Williams to discuss it, since he just focuses on finding "errors" and "corruption" in the Bible.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@think-islam-channel I'm wondering what is the "core message" or cornerstone of Islam? I'm still confused as to what it is. PEACE

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@tombuddy100 I sort of agree with you that Paul seems intent on focusing on the "errors" in the Bible. But I understand what this channel is about so I accept his worldviews.

[@think-islam-channel]

@@tombuddy100 That's a cop out. If you have a genuine claim you would be confident to produce it. I can give you a long list of problems that you can't deny about the Bible. So stop being emotional about the past and give a logical point that I will try to help you understand about the quran. If you have an honest point is loved to hear it. Perhaps I could help you understand or perhaps you will teach me something.

[@freezone..9347]

Mathew copies from luke and mark passes the essay to mathew Thats identity theft nowadays.. which are common english names 😅 that makes me feel stupid all the time 🤦🤦 haraaaam for all the Christians !!!!!!!!

[@peaceinjesus5221]

Paul is getting the wrong end of the stick! Jesus saw himself as the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53, else he would not have allowed himself to be arrested to be crucified according to Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22. The fact is that Jesus saw himself in many of the Prophecies and understood himself as being the one spoken of in Isaiah 42, in which he saw himself as covenantally given to Israel but through that the "Light to the Gentiles" - hence the instruction to preach to the Nations. The problem with Dale Martin's assertion that Gentiles should keep the law in Matthew, is that it contradicts the covenantal distinction of the Jewish people, particularly by circumcision - the mark of the Jewish people. Paul is again mistaken in claiming that Martin's view of Matthew's Torah keeping church is 'unknown today' - this is not true because it does exist in certain parts of the Messianic Jewish community.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Thanks for your thought-provoking comments.

[@Cemukay]

You are reading your bible, probably in the English language, but the Gospels were written in the Greek language. Jesus spoke Aramaic, the Old Testament was written in the Hebrew language. Now can you see the confusion and mistranslations that can occur? And have occurred. Isaiah 53 and Isaiah 42 are all intentionally or Unintentionally mistranslated verses into Greek. There are at least 200 very important words that are wrongly translated according to my studies.

[@salah777]

we don't believe in the corrupt bible you didn't get his point your bible is made anonimously

[@peaceinjesus5221]

@@Cemukay Interesting can you elaborate with details please?

[@peaceinjesus5221]

@@salah777 Salah, have you ever considered thinking for yourself, outside of your religious box?? You see everything that you are saying to me in your comments, is a typical example of someone who is "boxed in" to his own ideology and learned/copied propaganda! You are making statements that are actually false information! You are then combining those false statements with assumptions of suspicion! You are then pouring the above into conclusions made from the above assumptions - a bit like a builder making a "form" or wooden shape, so that he can fill it with his own concrete mix by pouring it into the shape he has decided! You have first decided the outcome and then filled it with the assumptions and false information, you have come up with.....and hey presto! ...you've produced the exact shape you expected!!! Well done! You have shown yourself that your assumptions and misinformation, have produced the shape you decided to chose about Christianity! Congratulations!

[@steveleung855]

At some point I hope people will realize that Christ was a Jew and did not convert to Christianity neither did He teach anyone about Christianity and He did not tell anyone to become a Christian

[@pasukanbenderahitam1288]

The mistakes and contradictions in the bible which proof that bible ain't Words of God : ~Who was the second son of David : Kileab or Daniel ? "Now sons were born to David in Hebron. His firstborn was Amnon, born to Ahinoam the Jezreelite. His second son was Kileab, born to Abigail the widow of Nabal the Carmelite. His third son was Absalom, the son of Maacah daughter of King Talmai of Geshur." ( 2 samuel 3 : 2, 3 ). But at the other verse : "These were the sons of David who were born to him in Hebron: The firstborn was Amnon, whose mother was Ahinoam from Jezreel; the second was Daniel, whose mother was Abigail from Carmel." ( 1 chronicles 3 : 1 ) ~A son was older than his biological father . 2 chronicles 21 : 5, 20 : Joram was 32 years old and became king and ruled Jerusalem for 8 years and then died (at the age of 40). Then,( 2 Chronicles 22:1 - 2) : After Joram died, he was succeeded by his son Ahaziah at the age of 42. So Ahaziah is 2 years older than his father. ~Ahaz was 20 years old when he ascended and ruled the kingdom for 16 years ( 2 Kings 16 : 2). After the death of Ahaz, his son Hezekiah replaced the throne of the kingdom ( 2 Kings 16 : 20). Hezekiah was 25 years old when he became king ( 2 Kings 18 : 2). Let's calculate how old Ahaz when Hezekiah was born ! 20 + 16 - 25 = 11 years old . How could an 11-years-old kid had a son while naturally men produce sperm and testosterone hormone by the age 15 ?

[@pasukanbenderahitam1288]

Another undisputed contradictions in bible : ~How many children did David have from his concubines : 11 or 13 ? "These are the names of children born to him in Jerusalem: Shammua, Shobab, Nathan, Solomon, Ibhar, Elishua, Nepheg, Japhia, Elishama, Eliada, and Eliphelet." ( 2 samuel 5 : 14 - 16 ). So, they were 11 . But at the others verses : "These are the names of children born to him in Jerusalem: Shammua, Shobab, Nathan, Solomon, Ibhar, Elishua, Elpelet, Nogah, Nepheg, Japhia, Elishama, Beeliada, and Eliphelet." ( 2 chronicles 14 : 3 - 7 ). So, they were 13 . How was it possible that "GOD" confused with the children of David ? ~Who was the grandfather of jesus : jacob or eli ? "and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ." ( matthew 1 : 16 ). But at the other verse : "So Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years old. He was the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli." ( luke 3 : 23 ). So, who was the grandfather of jesus : jacob or heli ? If jesus is son of "god", how was it possible that "god" forgot the grandfather of his son ? ~What time was jesus crucified ? "It was nine o’clock in the morning when they crucified him." ( mark 15 : 25 ). But at the other verse : "(Now it was the day of preparation for the Passover, about noon ) Pilate said to the Jewish leaders, “Look, here is your king!" Then they shouted out, “Away with him! Away with him! Crucify him!” Pilate asked, “Shall I crucify your king?” The high priests replied, “We have no king except Caesar!”Then Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.( john 19 : 14 - 16 ) So, what time was jesus crucified ? At nine o'clock or at noon or afternoon ?

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More contradictions in bible : ~How did Judas die ? "(Now this man Judas acquired a field with the reward of his unjust deed, and falling headfirst he burst open in the middle and all his intestines gushed out." ( acts 1 : 18 ). But at the other verse : "So Judas threw the silver coins into the temple and left. Then he went out and hanged himself." ( matthew 27 : 5 ). SO, JUDAS DIED OF SUICIDE OR FELL DOWN ? ~The genealogy between David & jesus contradicts between bible verses: Jesus was a descendant of David from the line of Solomon (Matthew 1: 1 - 16), but in another verse: Jesus was a descendant of David from the line of Nathan (Luke 3: 23 - 31). SO, IF JESUS IS SON OF "GOD", HOW COULD "GOD" GOT CONFUSED BY THE GENEALOGY OF HIS SON ? ~The number of David's army of Judah differs between bible verses : "Joab reported the number of warriors to the king. In Israel there were 800,000 sword-wielding warriors, and in Judah there were 500,000 soldiers." ( 2 samuel 24 : 9 ). But at the other verse : "Joab reported to David the number of warriors. In all Israel there were 1,100,000 sword-wielding soldiers; Judah alone had 470,000 sword-wielding soldiers." ( 1 chronicles 21 : 5 ) SO, WHICH ONE IS RIGHT ? OR " GOD" FORGOT TO USE CALCULATOR ?

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Do you wanna some more ? Your wish is granted. Another contradictions in bible : ~How many supervisors did Solomon have ? 3,600 or 3,300 ? "Solomon had 70,000 common laborers and 80,000 stonecutters in the hills, in addition to 3,600 supervisors." ( 2 chronicles 2 : 2 ). But at the others verses : "Solomon also had 70,000 common laborers and 80,000 stonecutters in the hills, besides 3,300 officials who supervised the workers." ( 1 kings 5 : 15, 16 ) THERE WERE 300 PEOPLE IN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE VERSES. "GOD" CAN'T AFFORD TO COMMIT SUCH A MISTAKE EVEN IF JUST ONE PERSON. WHAT ABOUT 300 PEOPLE ? ~How much water did the large basin called " the dead sea " can hold ? 18,000 gallons or 12,000 gallons ? "It was four fingers thick and its rim was like that of a cup shaped like a lily blossom. It could hold 18,000 gallons." ( 2 chronicles 4 : 5 ). But at the other verse : "It was four fingers thick and its rim was like that of a cup shaped like a lily blossom. It could hold about 12,000 gallons." ( 1 kings 7 : 26 ) IT SEEMED THAT "GOD" IN BIBLE HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH MATHS . ~Who was scribe for David ? Shavsha or Seraiah ? "Zadok son of Ahitub and Abimelech son of Abiathar were priests; Shavsha was scribe." ( 1 chronicles 18 : 16 ). But at the other verse : "Zadok son of Ahitub and Ahimelech son of Abiathar were priests; Seraiah was scribe." ( 2 samuel 8 : 17 ) PLEASE, DON'T TELL ME THAT SHE WAS A WOMAN WITH TWO IDENTITIES !

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I guess you need more contradictions in the bible . ~How many Aramean charioteers that have been killed by David ? 700 or 7,000 ? "The Arameans fled before Israel. David killed 700 Aramean charioteers and 40,000 foot soldiers. He also struck down Shobach, the general in command of the army, who died there." ( 2 samuel 10 : 18 ). But at the other verse : "The Arameans fled before Israel. David killed 7,000 Aramean charioteers and 40,000 infantrymen; he also killed Shophach the commanding general." ( 1 chronicles 19 : 18 ) Another contradiction : who was the general that has been killed by David ? Shobach or Shophach ? Do you think that the letter b is same with the letter ph ? THEN, I DONT THINK THAT BIDEN WILL AGREE IF HIS NAME BECOMES PHIDEN . ~From which cities were David took bronze ? Tebah and Berothai or Tibath and Kun ? "From Tebah and Berothai, Hadadezer’s cities, King David took a great deal of bronze." ( 2 samuel 8 : 8 ). But at the other verse : "From Tibhath and Kun, Hadadezer’s cities, David took a great deal of bronze. (Solomon used it to make the big bronze basin called “The Sea,” the pillars, and other bronze items." ( 1 chronicles 18 : 8 ) LIKELY, "GOD" IN THE BIBLE HAD A PROBLEM WITH GEOGRAPHY AND NOT ONLY MATHS. ~How many descendants of Jacob who went to Egypt ? 66 or 70 ? "All the direct descendants of Jacob who went to Egypt with him were sixty-six in number." ( genesis 46 : 26 ). But at the other verse : "All the people who were directly descended from Jacob numbered seventy. But Joseph was already in Egypt." ( exodus 1 : 5 ) PLEASE DON'T TELL THAT FOUR OF THEM WERE INVISIBLE !

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Another ridiculous contradictions in bible : ~"The Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, cursed are you above all the wild beasts and all the living creatures of the field! On your belly you will crawl and dust you will eat all the days of your life." ( genesis 3 : 14 ) HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANY SPECIES OF SNAKE THAT EATS DUST ? I GUESS "GOD" IN THE BIBLE MISSED THE BIOLOGY CLASS AT SCHOOL . ~How old was Ahaziah when became a king ? 42 or 22 ? "Forty and two years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name also [was] Athaliah the daughter of Omri. ( 2 chronicles 22 : 2 ). But at the others verses : "In the twelfth year of the reign of Israel’s King Joram, son of Ahab, Jehoram’s son Ahaziah became king over Judah. Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king and he reigned for one year in Jerusalem. His mother was Athaliah, the granddaughter of King Omri of Israel." ( 2 kings 8 : 25 , 26 ) PERHAPS THERE WERE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE ON EARTH, SO "GOD" IN THE BIBLE COULDN'T REMEMBER THE AGE OF EACH OF THEM. ~Whose staff became a snake : Moses's staff or Aaron's ? "The Lord said to him, “What is that in your hand?” He said, “A staff.”The Lord said, “Throw it to the ground.” So he threw it to the ground, and it became a snake, and Moses ran from it." ( exodus 4 : 2, 3 ). But at the other verse : "When Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh, they did so, just as the Lord had commanded them - Aaron threw down his staff before Pharaoh and his servants and it became a snake." ( exodus 7 : 10 ) WERE MOSES AND AARON TWIN BROTHERS SO "GOD" IN THE BIBLE STRUGGLED TO DIFFERENTIATE THEM ?

[@charlesatty]

Gollleee ggggg, wonder why there are thousands of denominations, all being true.

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72. Surely, they have disbelieved who say: ''Allah is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary).'' But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: ''O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.'' Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) there are no helpers. 73. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ''Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).'' But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. 74. Will they not repent to Allah and ask His Forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 75. The Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth). 76. Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): ''How do you worship besides Allah something which has no power either to harm or to benefit you? But it is Allah Who is the All-Hearer, All-Knower.'' 77. Say (O Muhammad SAW): ''O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Exceed not the limits in your religion (by believing in something) other than the truth, and do not follow the vain desires of people who went astray in times gone by, and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the Right Path.'' Al-Maidah | Qur'ān Chapter 5 verses 72-77 Interpretation of the meanings of the noble quran By - Muhsin Khan & Taqi-'ud-Din in English

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5 min in and I am blown away - Dale! So they didn't have TV and Radio in 100 AD - nothing gets past you. So according to your standards all cultures that don't have a written accounting of their history are just to be written off because you can't see the original documents - so everything south of equator (lots of Black and Brown folks down there). I would point out that written history - even from multiple sources does not represent an accurate description of events related to various biases by the writers, current political views, publishers views and so forth. Funny how June 19th - never mentioned once in my entire life is now valid and the issues with Christopher Columbus silent for 500 years are now valid - because of educated men like you? But the Gospel can't be trusted because after 2000 years it seems there is no evidence that it was written within a time that would suit you and todays standards 100, 80. 50, 40, 30 how bout 10 years after the resurrection? Recent example following the events of 911 - various news sources showed multiple stories Islamic nations celebrating and dancing in the streets singing "Death to America". This past 911 there was silence regarding how these people responded. As the history machine is reshaping things so we can all get along - well until we are dead and they are dancing again. History and Memory are both faulted means to reconstruct a moment in history and in no way should have anything to do with the Gospel or it's creditability - unless these views are applied to all historical events you have no business applying them here. I dislike expressing these views - but I want to serve my Father when I can - as he has done everything for me. He has a standing offer out their for anyone who cares to serve him - he invites you in (not the other way around). Everyone reading this has been spoken to by him - just like me you never heard it - quite your life and get a relationship with the most powerful force in the universe. See you in line for judgement day - I will surely be going to hell perhaps after judgement we can share and UBER to Hades.

[@kestane123chesmo]

Paul please keep the videos less technical 🤗 I dont think the majority of us are following

[@retribution999]

Blogging theology or bashing Christianity? Whatever the evidence for Christianity it's considerably more robust than evidence for Islam.

[@guzwa2334]

It's passed the time ⌚ to scrutinize the fairy tales in the quran. Also a close inspection of the "GUIDED KHALIFS" and their shaky lives. Pietermartizburg KZN South Africa 🌍

[@tombuddy100]

How come surrounding civilizations in 7th century did not know about Mecca, Muhammad, Islam, and the four "rightly guided" caliphs?

[@monimzahedi5051]

if u look for fault, surly u will find. if u look for guidance, its a book of guidance from the creator. just read it with sincerity possibly with a teacher.

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@@tombuddy100 who said that? u need to study some history

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@monimzahedi5051 I agree with you that "if u look for fault, surly u will find." EXCELLENT.

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@Shalom Shalom mind u arabic and hebrew share same route. .the literal meaning of muslim is the one who submits to the will of almighty

[@bbccnn8836]

Jesus teaching intensify the thora... So Quran says muda.. Means contradiction

[@Hafizahmeda]

Why is he wearing a cross? If Jesus was crucified on it would it not be something to hate? If someone in your family was murdered by a gun or knife would you wear that on your neck or put a symbol on the wall in your room? It was a symbol of Nimrod therefore my request to all Followers of Jesus is not to put up either a cross or a picture as it is idol worship.

[@valerossi823]

hahahaha

[@onemuslim9313]

All the people in comments will or in few generations their children will be Muslims God will definitely get every one on to his worship away from the statues, pictures and crosses And also 3in 1, 1 in 3 cofee .

[@Nite395]

Matthew was the first guy who discovered the so called messianic prophecies lol More like he invented them by misquoting and corrupting the Hebrew Bible

[@johnzuma4688]

Matthew 22:36-40 New International Version >> 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

[@tombuddy100]

I guess he knows what he wants to know. The same applies to Mr. Williams.

[@johnzuma4688]

@@tombuddy100 I fully agree, Paul knows exactly what he wants, but I doubt if Dale has a clue how he is being manipulated.

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@@johnzuma4688 Mr. Williams does not seem to have audacity or courage to question Islam, or to scrutinize Islam in the same way.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@johnzuma4688 I'm not sure that Dale "is being manipulated" but I'm sure Blogging Theology is really happy with Dale's comments.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@tombuddy100 Maybe Mr. Williams has in the past questioned Islam. But we are just not aware of this. However he does seem to bring up the controversial and/or contradictory verses between the Gospels. That in itself is not a problem, but we need to have a balance of negative and positive. That's what I think.

[@owaissheraz]

Paul r u convert

[@NsShadid]

Does it matter to you? What's your bussiness in it? Did you hear of private beliefs? Or better Respecting the privacy of others? Did your parents teach you not to ask what's doesnt concern you? Do you know how to learn without poking your nose in others personal matters? Please, dont show the public your asinine side. That should be private as well. Peace brother

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British accent is so uncomfortable

[@baalbuster9294]

From the people that teach the moon was split in two . 🙄

[@think-islam-channel]

From the person who believes the seas were parted 😬😳🤔

[@baalbuster9294]

@@think-islam-channel They were . The oceans are separate . If you are insulting the Torah then you are contradicting the Quran too which acknowledges the Torah . Oops

[@johnzuma4688]

@@think-islam-channel Mohammed believed that Moses split the sea. So do you have a problem with that? PS: You do not actually believe that the moon was split??

[@johnzuma4688]

@@baalbuster9294 One of the many logical dilemmas in the Quran.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@think-islam-channel I see no problem with miracles as coming from God.

[@Chad2baddd]

Terrible

[@adnankaba3372]

Absolute shambles! Sir! did I hear you right? Jesus considered himself "inferior" to John the Baptist! How can that be? How is the so called "son of God" inferior to anyone at all?

[@popcornagain7034]

Because he never called himself that ,he always called himself son of man

[@BloggingTheology]

well said

[@10tealeaf]

How could anyone forget the statement of Jesus in Mat. and Luke ... "I tell you among those born of women there is none greater than John the baptist". Humbling to those who believe in the divinety of Jesus.

[@popcornagain7034]

@@10tealeaf Amazing how he said " born of women ".

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@@10tealeaf is it just me, or is there in the last ten years or so a huge exodus out of Christianity? On this channel there are former Christians who have finally seen the nonsensical contradictions in the New testament!

[@bbccnn8836]

Allah in the Quran say glory to Allah.... As if he is not narrating 🧐🤨... So who wrote it in the Quran☹️😳🥴... Mohammed or uttman or haufs 🧐🤨😷. Speech of Allah edited by haufs 😇😉

[@think-islam-channel]

Dumbo comment.I'm assuming you weren't particularly talented at literals in school. It's funny how every dumb idiot who fails on life suddenly becomes an expert in youtube comments.

[@johnzuma4688]

Apparently Mohammed recited it and a lot of unknown people wrote down their own versions of it.

[@mohamedsmaili297]

Allah almighty, the only god that the messiah Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon them both) had worshiped, says: (116. And Allah will say, “O Jesus son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Take me and my mother as gods rather than Allah?'“ He will say, “Glory be to You! It is not for me to say what I have no right to. Had I said it, You would have known it. You know what is in my soul, and I do not know what is in Your soul. You are the Knower of the hidden. 117. I only told them what You commanded me: that you shall worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I was among them; but when You took me to Yourself, You became the Watcher over them-You are Witness over everything. 118. If You punish them, they are Your servants; but if You forgive them, You are the Mighty and Wise.” 119. Allah will say, “This is a Day when the truthful will benefit from their truthfulness.” They will have Gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will remain forever. Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him. That is the great attainment. 120. To Allah belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and what lies in them, and He has power over everything.) sourate 5 al-ma'idah (the table) ayah 116 to 120

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@@think-islam-channel sunnah.com/muslim:2167a

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@@think-islam-channel there is no need to become an expert to state Allah say glory to Allah,.... Think Islam use rationality not your emotions