SURVIVING AN AIRPLANE CRASH - Airplane Camp 2024 ending in the best training money can buy.

[@df0813]

Listened to your podcast a few weeks ago about this incident, now seeing the video and people involved makes this that much more real for me. Everyone including myself has made questionable decisions on the path to private/instrument/commercial. This one reminds me of crossing the Appalachians, twice in a day, with no real survival gear and everything but my iPad and lunch thrown in the back seat of the 172. The scariest part- less than 48 hours later that plane had an exhaust valve issue with a huge power loss while my old instructor was flying actual IFR with a student. He said he thought the engine was going to vibrate off the mounts. That was my wakeup call. Not sure how I would have handled that over a mountain range but I'm for damn sure not going to let myself be unprepared for the worst again. Thank you again Jason for a great story and training moment.

[@sb859]

Outstanding debrief, these lessons can save lives.

[@TheFinerPoints]

Thank you!

[@kmstaff7]

So happy they made it down safe, then had an exit strategy. Job well done!

[@crawford323]

That's the way you do it!

[@christopherbordenave6955]

Great job from the pilots! Thanks for sharing their story for all of us to learn from.

[@MichaelLloyd]

Outstanding video Jason. I used to fly out of KFMN. I loved flying in the same area that you guys were in. I've flown to Moab and back, all over NW and central AZ. I never filed a flight plan. I'm not proud of that. The reason for it, good or not, was that I rarely had a destination in mine when I took off. I'd just head west for a bit, then pick a location and fly to it. Always with distances and destinations that qualified to be logged as cross country and not the same place as any other time. If I were to go back there I would plan better. I rent, so doing one of these trips would be difficult. Hopefully I will one day.

[@alexandermyrthue1987]

Curious as to what Jason will say about the explanation for why you had no flight plan.... Because I think it's a VERY typical reason. So what do you do when there is no specific destination?

[@TheFinerPoints]

You can open up a flight plan back to the departure airport with a route or you could make up some destination and put in the comments section where you are really going. Give yourself a huge time window so you can land back at home and still have 45 minutes to close it.

[@AlphaKilo.Warrior]

Wow bro, 😎 I’m so glad to hear you all made it down safely. What are the odds! Keep up the great work, live your content.

[@stevehoffman3418]

Thank you, Jason, for all that you do. You are the best! I didn't know you did these flyouts. I hope to join your next one. Thanks again!

[@skyepilotte11]

Nice job Fernando and Joe for a controlled off airport landing. Thx Jason

[@scottpatterson4105]

My flights are x-country direct, across the Rockies. I find little deviation is neccessary to be within glide range of a highway. That increases survivability, being rescued confusion and time. Plus staying on frequency with appropriate ATCC.

[@bartgoins1782]

Registered! Thanks for this video, Jason.

[@NateFanning]

I have an interesting idea. I'm an avid skier and we carry avalanche beacons in the backcountry that can detect others' beacons up to 50-80m away, even through snow. I wonder if this technology could be adopted into a backcountry beacon more specifically for flying, or even just used by carrying a transmitting avy beacon while flying in remote areas? The range is not massive, but imagine racing through a forest on a snowmobile and passing 100ft away from a plane crash you can't see at night, vs being directed to it.

[@lucianonisi6987]

I would give a hard No - I also have backcountry avalanche training and those beacons are specifically for avalanches and short range. A GPS PLB like the ACR ResQLink 406 mhz Beacon is what you want and what I carry - see my reply above. :)

[@lucianonisi6987]

Thanks for your video and overview of the Emergency Off Field landing (Crash). I am a huge advocate of preparedness and advocate of safety while flying. I fly an amature built Murphy Amphibian airplane and wear a flight helmet on every flight. Because I am routinely flying into remote mountain lakes I have a 2 part survival system in place. On my person I always wear a manual inflatable pfd survival vest with EUBA (Emergency Underwater Breathing Apparatus) . The vest pockets contain various signal devices: Smoke/Flare, Handheld Flare, Signal Mirror, Whistle, ACR ResQLink 406 GPS PLB (waterproof with confirmed message received function) Sea dye marker. My vest also contains, bug net, bug spray, First Aid:Trauma dressing, triangular bandage tourniquet, Foil Emergency Bag, Lifestraw, cordage, lighter, matches, fire starter, flint/Steel, knife, headlamp, glow stick, wire saw, Aluminum foil, plastic bag, multi-tool. On my vest belt carry a high intensity flashlight with strobe capability. This vest weights 15 lbs in total. I wear this vest on every flight as in case I crash on the water and flip the plane I will only have the items in my vest. The second part is my regular survival kit that stays in the plane, includes a stove, 2 lightweight mummy sleeping bags, reflective tarp shelter, Parachute Flare, Rocket Flares, 4 min Smoke, more food, water. I also carry extra clothing based on time of year and terrain flying over. In winter carry a snow shovel, and 2 -25 deg C sleeping bags. My background is 36 years medical rescue including 6 in the military as an Airborne Medic, 8 years with the Canadian Coast Guard as a Rescue Specialist Diver, 5 years with Canadian Air Search and Rescue Association, 7 Years with Land SAR, 19 Years as a Street Paramedic, I was also an underwater egress instructor for almost a year teaching crews how to escape from a underwater dunker trainer with and without EUBA. I regularly do presentation on Flying over water and promote and encourage the use of helmets while flying in the backcountry and off airport landings. I have 36 years flying experience. I am sharing my information as you have to always be ready to lose an engine or other situation that may cause you a forced landing without warning. I routinely practice emergency PFL and land on the water without power. I fly with a SPOT but agree the Garmin In-Reach type messaging devices are superior to share messages. My PLB goes directly to SAR SAT network and will notify Rescue Coordination Centre directly which is what I want vs rely on a responsible person to call them. My aircraft is also equipped with a 406mhz ELT, but not reliable if I sustain a water crash landing.

[@hamishkebb3550]

thanks I fly a searey downunder in remote places Good info

[@tedsaylor6016]

It would be cool to have Fernando and Hoover review this, both flew the F-15

[@paulrichardson6804]

Great advice…it’s got to be on your body, the plb the I reach the whistle the food water …otherwise it’s no use…

[@fritz4345]

Wow, that's a nice outlanding. How did they get the plane back?

[@DanFrederiksen]

you never talked about how uneven the ground was and how the gear handled it. or how they got out of there!! or repair it. You had one job :)

[@Mike-zw7fq]

He said it is on patron.

[@TheFinerPoints]

You should watch the full debrief. There is so much we didn’t cover in this 10 minute video. It’s free on Patreon/learntfp

[@marklee1462]

glad it worked out. great job. why did the engine quit

[@Flying_Snakes]

Always be looking for a spot to land and carry personal tracker like SPOT, etc. Also bring a solar phone charger. Cell phone forensics team cant see you if the phone is dead.

[@jimbeam7776]

Out of all the emergency equipment I would want Depends. 😊. All kidding aside I believe the people that take off with nothing but a cell phone! I’m on the road 5 and 6 days a week, and I’m prepared for any thing and I’m on ground

[@francisebbecke2727]

Great advice!

[@757MrMark]

Do you debrief the after rescue? Like how the plane got out of there? What did the insurance folks do? Cause of the partial power? Fine that everyone was safe, now what?

[@johndavis7661]

Great video! Very happy I found this channel! How do I buy your sweat shirts and logo?

[@XBJAJ]

very good glad every one is ok, one question how did you get the airplane out?? thank you.

[@JasonAirInc]

They hoisted it out with a helicopter. Unfortunately, the owner left it there for a month and it had flipped over by the time it was recovered.

[@XBJAJ]

@@JasonAirInc Thank you!!

[@hamishkebb3550]

awesome info

[@wsanders123]

Any thoughts on incorporating ‘What Three Words’ or OS Locate into the location/position reporting? OS Locate in particular actually lets you report your height as well. Not certain if W3W takes into account height. Adding height to your position can likely be very helpful when in mountainous locations where a height can vary widely within a few hundred feet.

[@VictoryAviation]

Why would it take so long for SAR to find you if you have a PLB?

[@TheFinerPoints]

Mostly verifying the signal and gathering resources. >6000 alerts every year and maybe 70 are real

[@VictoryAviation]

@ Gotcha. I have a PLB that I specifically requested of my company since I fly in several remote locations. I definitely did not expect that great of a delay between activation and SAR arrival. I’d actually requested an in-reach mini, but the company said they had in reaches before and they were too expensive. The PLB doesn’t require a subscription.

[@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891]

The fine point is,as you said, an off airport landing! Right? It’s not a crash 💥 you survived, just an off airport landing. But the fine point is, it’s more dramatic in the headline and sounds better. Gives more clicks. The fine point is: Drama sells better. The pilot did a great job, not crashing. Congratulations on this fine point. You are alive and could walk away. That’s seriously sensational, if I see the area. 😊

[@lucianonisi6987]

Typically an off-airport landing is a planned landing on a known landing site, sandbar, beach, remote grass strip vs loss of power and crashing. The airplane does not have to be destroyed to be a crash. I would call this a crash not an off airport landing as they had no choice but to land. IMO

[@thefreedomguyuk]

This was not a crash, just an outlanding.

[@utubewatcher360]

Do you have a brother that lives in Roseville or all around for that matter. You may not know it Jason but you have a twin brother. Same appearance, same voice pattern. WOW

[@Dan007UT]

Ummm I want that hoodie and can't find it on your store

[@TheFinerPoints]

Working on that Shirts are there I, I believe

[@Dan007UT]

@TheFinerPoints yes they are. It's hoodie season! Will be waiting :)

[@neilsingh5311]

Given the expense of aviation, I don’t understand why any pilot would fly without an InReach. It’s a few hundred bucks. The monthly subscription is 15 bucks which you can suspend at will during non-use.

[@d3rival]

Just my personal experience, but GA pilots are super cheap.

[@JohnHoranzy]

​@@d3rivalIf God wanted man to fly he would have given him more money.

[@VictoryAviation]

I fly in the middle of nowhere Colorado, Wyoming, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc. Fortunately my company allowed me to purchase a PLB. I feel much better about that. My PLB gives confirmation that the signal is received.

[@lucianonisi6987]

@@VictoryAviation Agree - I carry a SPOT for tracking but a PLB for Emergency.

[@lucianonisi6987]

@@d3rival You have that right! $300 pair of sunglasses but no survival kit.

[@thomfult7956]

By this dudes intro music he must have smuggled a ton of drugs from South America!

[@TheFinerPoints]

Haha! The closest I ever came to that was teaching a Flight Instructor Refresher course for the DEA pilot crew