Surviving the "Bible Blitzkrieg"

[@BrohoshaphatG]

Only Trent is charitable and good-natured enough to mistake schizoposting for a debate strategy

[@philosopher-2007]

he's too good faith-based

[@mr.iankp.5734]

“Schizoposting”…I gotta remember that.

[@wapper7777]

Gish gallop is what it’s called when used as a “debate tactic” it’s one of the most dishonest and lazy tactics

[@ellenandrews9486]

@howtobechristian calls this "Prot vomit"

[@stcolreplover]

lol,

[@jabbyjabster]

Babe wake up, new Trent Horn video just dropped

[@tommyaqua]

I literally say that to my wife 😂

[@IsraelCountryCube]

Tommy Aquinas had wife? Um ​@@tommyaqua

[@IsraelCountryCube]

I don't have babes those babies don't exist yet. Oh and I don't have wife. But I'll still think Oh my favorite catholic manz Trent Hornz dropped vidz yazz Time to praise him!

[@Mattt5]

@@IsraelCountryCubebro u forgot your meds this morning. here 💊💊💊

[@ekatrinya]

Exactly 😅

[@annarogers6883]

I joined the crew at RCIA. Thank you

[@lottidd6037]

🙏🙏

[@PB_324]

❤️❤️❤️

[@Graciaplena12]

Good for you 👍

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

I can tell you, as a protestant, we do this against each other.

[@adelbertleblanc1846]

Not in the same level !

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

@adelbertleblanc1846 we would be nicer to catholics, but a lot of them in the past killed a lot of us. So, you can see why some became radical. Doesn't mean that they are right to do that, though.

[@drewd5811]

@@adelbertleblanc1846 As a former Protestant, he is not being uncharitable. The Calvinist vs Armenian debates, Free will debates, Once Saved Always Saved debates get heated in the protestant and evangelical worlds.

[@tonyl3762]

@@adelbertleblanc1846 You mean the blitzkrieg against Catholics is at a higher level of frequency, vitriol, emotion, etc.? Hard to tell, lol....

[@dave_ecclectic]

I've noticed that some Evangelicals after attacking Catholics will then attack Catholic like Protestants, " you are too Catholic like" and then move on down a pecking order of all those who require their condemnation.

[@Purpose_of_Christ]

I really love you Trent… you’ve really helped me grow very deeply in my faith as a Catholic these past months. God richly bless you🙏🏼. I’m from Ghana and I really hope my brothers and sisters will visit channels as yours to learn more about our Catholic faith. So they don’t fall out.

[@tobechukwuaneke9467]

Same from a fellow Catholic in Nigeria.

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

Good day, Trent! Thank you so much for your "The Emptiness of 'Political Christianity"? video last week. I think everyone should see it. I've been trying to share it at any opportunity. Prayed for your family and everyone here at Mass! Hope you and your family have a light-filled peaceful joyful blessed week!

[@VicecrackVoldermort]

I found that video missing the point. Political Christians aren't claiming to possess as real of a connection with Christianity as real Christians. I thought I would hear something I hadn't already thought of but he was just beating a dead horse.

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

@@VicecrackVoldermort Thank you for your thoughts. Appreciate reading your perspective. Hope your week is off to a good start!

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

@@VicecrackVoldermort And also most of those people that are pointed to are extremely liberal and dilute Christianity in the direction it's already been going

[@batboy12394]

One of the biggest reasons this is an issue comes from the nature of the Bible. It is a collection of distinct authors in distinct contexts. Without understanding the audience and intent of the author, we can't really understand what is being said. Many try to use the Bible as if it a single cohesive document which it is not. So some authors might say similar words but have different intentions based on the context.

[@ninjason57]

This is the best way to refute what Trent is talking about.

[@zeektm1762]

@@ninjason57How does this refute what Trent is talking about? This video demonstrates the point - you can quote a dozen verses from three authors to support your point, but if the more verses are simply meaningless red herrings then your just fallacious.

[@steviedfromtheflyovercount4739]

Excellent posting. God Bless.

[@batboy12394]

@@zeektm1762 that was my reaction at first to that post, but a more charitable reading might be "this post is the best way to refute the types of bible blitzkrieg that Trent is talking about". Ninjason57 could clarify, but I think that's what they meant.

[@Geregax]

@@zeektm1762 ninjason57 isn't saying that this comment refutes Trent's argument. They're saying it refutes the thing trent is talking about: people using the bible blitzkreig. They're saying this is the best way to refute someone DOING what Trent is discussing.

[@OrionOodama]

Thank you Trent for expounding Dr. Hahn's analogy between Protestants knowing the Bible like the mailman and Catholics knowing the Bible like kids who relies on landmarks and minute-yet-important details. Ditto with what the Scripture tells versus what the Scripture means.

[@DPK5201]

But then Trent quotes Paul about giving up childish things! I say this without any animosity. As a Protestant who memorized Scripture as a kid, I can tell you maybe ten or 15 verses stand out, and I can't remember their chapter and versus. " I think it is in Ephesians" might be a response. I applaud the encouragement for Catholics to read and study the Bible. It changes lives!

[@Charlotte_Martel]

​@@DPK5201It didn't just strike Protestants like that. As soon as I heard St Paul's verse in this context, the 1st thing that I thought was, "Okay, are you telling Catholics to put away our childish knowledge of the Bible and to adopt a more mature, more Protestant-based knowledge?"

[@owlintrenchcoat]

The part towards the end about not knowing every chapter and verse made me feel a lot better. I have friends who will ask me stuff about the Bible and I'm almost always saying something like "don't remember exactly which one, but in one of the gospels . . . "

[@philippbrogli779]

I like the analogy he used there. And I understand that he is a catholic. But I'm not a fan of him saying the Protestants are like the mailman and Catholics like the Children. That implies that only Catholics are Children of God and properly understand the Bible while Protestants are mere visitors who merely know the chapter numbers without understanding the meaning of the text. It is possible that he accidentally made this analogy. After all he is most likely aware, that most Bible verses are not about the divide of Catholics and Protestants. But this entire analogy is chosen clumsily, because historically there have been many catholics who claimed there is no salvation outside of the Roman Catholic church and they went as far as killing non-Catholic Christians.

[@christianmaestas4435]

@@philippbrogli779the analogy doesn’t need to be a 1-1 to work. That is the point of analogies. His point is about how we read the Bible, nothing else. The implication isn’t if you read the Bible like the child your in the will and if you read it like a mailman, you’re just a visitor. All analogies breakdown. If they didn’t they wouldn’t be analogies.

[@stickmastergib3665]

@@philippbrogli779 You got a source for that? As far as I understand it, no salvation outside the church is still a thing, and it doesn’t call for violence against non-Catholics. Seriously? What was the point in bringing up Catholics killing non-Catholics without any citation? I could do the same thing about Protestants killing Catholics, but again, what would be the point? Humans kill humans for whatever reason they deem justifiable at every point in history and they still do today. That has nothing to do with the video or the analogy you’re criticizing.

[@zeektm1762]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@philippbrogli779There is no salvation outside of Christ’s Church. You would agree with that (otherwise I would say you are not Christian). The difference is that the Catholic church identifies itself with that church. You disagree with that. When you criticize their doctrine, you are actually criticizing your doctrine because you do not understand the disagreement. Protestants killed and pillaged Catholics too, they burned down Churches and even harassed monks and married nuns. Are you aware that the Turks even supported the Calvinists in their crusades against Rome? Not to mention the Huegenots..

[@E-pistol]

Y'all stole our book 💫

[@odonnell1218]

I’ve even encountered Protestants (mostly online) who will make a claim and then post a bunch of Bible verses, but when I go to look them up, they have nothing to do with the subject being debated.

[@exposingtruth600]

Yeah the copy and paste 10+ Bible verses they post haha

[@odonnell1218]

@@exposingtruth600 one of my favorites was a Protestant who claimed that Jesus told us not to call the Pope “His Holiness” and as proof, he cited John 17:1.

[@cyberfist6568]

That's why I prefer online discourse. I hate when they give me the preacher tone, when they don't care if their view makes sense or not

[@JC_Forum_of_Christ]

That’s not true…. That is the Catholic game… You can’t eat Jesus. It is strange and diverse doctrine… “Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever. Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them. We have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13‬:‭9‬-‭10‬

[@exposingtruth600]

@@JC_Forum_of_Christ relativism

[@anng.4542]

They also blast Catholic channels with cut-and-pasted Scripture quotes in the comments.

[@thisis_chavez]

Prayers for the conversion of all Christians and Non-Christians. Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us

[@BensWorkshop]

And when I have watched such a video, I go through the comments looking to reply to them with my own bunch of Biblical references.

[@mikethemonsta15]

You are endangering yourself and EVERYONE HERE with that kind of comment and you should see the following verses to educate yourself, papist: 5 Peter 5:5 2 Judas 1:2-6 3 Bartholomew 7:7-74 Zebediah 5:9-11 Moses 11:12-34 2 Trent 6:3-6

[@mariatr492]

​@mikethemonsta15 you're proving their point lol

[@joshua_wherley]

@@mariatr492 I think it's a joke. Look at the "verses" cited, none of them are actual books of the Bible.

[@RiderOfBirds]

Trent, excellent video. I have Protestant friends who have stunned me with a tommy gun firing of scripture in the past. I appreciate you getting the word out on this. Also, Thank you for giving Fr. Mike a shoutout. He totally deserves it. His explanations of the bible and Catechism are very clear and offer great insight about them in simpler to understand terms.

[@whiteandblack2005]

Hello. I invite you to reason. The religious historian and philosopher Han-Joachim Schoeps says: “Here is a paradox of world-historical proportions: Jewish Christianity indeed disappeared within the Christian church, but was PRESERVED in Islam.” (Caps mine) Backed up by the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible.

[@BornAgain223]

​@@whiteandblack2005what is that in relation to? are you making a claim about the validity of Islam? If so, simply making an appeal authority by quoting some "scholar" doesn't make the claim true. But, I could have completely missed the point of your appeal to reason together.

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@BornAgain223 Didn't I write: "Backed up by the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible" ???? You missed that or you read but you didn't even want to go there?

[@dave_ecclectic]

@@whiteandblack2005 And here I thought the Catholic Church was the oldest institution in the world.

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@dave_ecclectic Whether "oldest" or not, the Church certainly turned out to be an institution which replaced the doctrines of Jesus with doctrines which are the exact opposite of the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible. On each and every fundamental doctrine, the Christian FAITH is the exact opposite of the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible. The Bible testifies. Thanks to Saul aka Paul of the Bible the f3r0c10us w0lf in she-ep's clo-thi-ng whom Jesus wa-rn-ed about.

[@hismajesty6272]

As a young adult Protestant, I’ve forgotten most of the specific books, chapters, and verses I memorized as a kid, but I still have the intuitive knowledge of what was taught.

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@hismajesty6272 Does your FAITH come from the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible or what was taught by the Church? The religious historian and philosopher Han-Joachim Schoeps says: “Here is a paradox of world-historical proportions: Jewish Christianity indeed disappeared within the Christian church, but was PRESERVED in Islam.” (Caps mine) ****************** Backed up by the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible.

[@shadowledastray]

I was a former "Reformed" Protestant, but ironically, I was always the more intuitive type thinker, despite their focus on systematic theology. But a Bible blitzkrieg never teaches anyone anything, it just shows an obsession with proving you're right. Lol

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@shadowledastray Hi, Did you read through my reply on this thread? It's on the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible.

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@shadowledastray I invite you to reason. Jesus used to reason. Won't you reason?

[@officialkodhark1075]

Trent hits 155k subscribers 😮😮 i started following him when he was at 15k subscribers, God bless your hard work. A fan from Nigeria 🇳🇬

[@Miguelito-h4v]

I know this is unrelated, but I deeply appreciate the channel is not involved in rage-farming around Olympics. Thank you!

[@TheCounselofTrent]

We appreciate you, Miguelito! -Vanessa

[@philalcoceli6328]

Calling evil as evil is not rage farming. If that were true, Jesus would be the biggest rage farmer ever. Evil does not need therapy or soft hands and Jesus made that very clear. Real love does not kiss up to unrepentant, vicious, weaponized evil.

[@philalcoceli6328]

Calling evil as evil is not rage farming, unless you want to call Jesus the biggest rage farmer ever. Evil does not need therapy or soft hands that only hugely empower it. Real love does not pamper unrepentant, vicious, weaponized evil that kills the heart of souls so they stay away from Jesus.

[@Miguelito-h4v]

@@philalcoceli6328 I agree `rage farming` is something different. I just wanted to thank Trent for not doing that different thing.

[@BigStack-vg6ku]

Trent, thanks from your humble Catholic Answers mod. for your kind and charitable takes on such difficult issues.. you will get me to swim the Tiber. And the Holy Spirit..

[@TheCounselofTrent]

Thank you for this comment! We appreciate you. -Vanessa

[@mattu2855]

Trent, I feel compelled to tell you that even though I am a Protestant I enjoy your videos.

[@VarynDEE33t]

This came in a timely fashion, I’ve just started up Scripture memorization. Thanks for reminding me that knowing the letter is not the only important thing, but understanding what it means in context with the rest of the Word. God bless brother, coming from a Baptist.

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@VarynDEE33t You're an honest and reasonable individual. It's good that you're thinking about matters of great importance. Do you realize the seriousness of the matter? So the guy in the video is basically saying that the Bible doesn't say what it means and says what it doesn't mean. The guy in the video is trying his best that people don't go by the scriptures but by what someone opines about the scriptures 👉 this means that and that means this and left means right and black means white and day means night. It's a make up as you go document. A perfect tool for the DE_V-I-L to take people astray. God is the author of confusion according to the premise laid down by the speaker in the video. I invite you to reason. The religious historian and philosopher Han-Joachim Schoeps says: “Here is a paradox of world-historical proportions: Jewish Christianity indeed disappeared within the Christian church, but was PRESERVED in Islam.” (Caps mine) Backed up by the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible.

[@Thunderdumpe]

As a protty I love the name, and these kinds of debate remind me of wizard dueling, where you have a memorized spell for every occasion but you gotta say it right and in the right context or it fizzles out.

[@ShiloStigen]

Agreed 100%! I call it "Scripture swordplay"!

[@den8863]

@@Thunderdumpe Especially using the English translation instead of the original Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic.

[@user-li4hv8yn4]

Amazing as always. Thank you Trent 🙏

[@appliedcetology676]

With respect to Scott Hahn, I'd like to suggest that Protestants know the Bible like a mailman, and Catholics know the Bible like an old southern local who has lived in the neighborhood all their life. "Oh, the Johnson place? Tea, you go up that hill yonder, turn right at the white fence, and you'll see their house with the flag out front. They put that up back in '03, and Ms. Johnson was so proud. You tell 'em I said hi."

[@timmyedmond1082]

Great episode, Mr. Horn! :)

[@elysenapoli6395]

Good advice. I would add that even just reading the Bible chronoligically (there are guides online) at your own pace can be helpful to know where certain things are contained in the Bible even if you don't know the verse, you can know it's in a certain book towards the end.

[@terrysbookandbiblereviews]

Great video! As a former Protestant some denominations teach you to use that tactic when talking to people about the Bible. Great video!!

[@arthurgouvet9606]

Thank You Trent, to me, this is one of your very relevant work for the Kingdom of Jesus Christ. Very interresting teachings. God bless You and yours.

[@BigDaddyCatholic]

Trent, awesome meeting you at NEC. Thank you for this video. So on point! I get frustrated when my Protestant friends use scripture for what I call their “copy and paste” theology. Love the “going to check with authoritative sources” reply.👍

[@tonyl3762]

Mortal sins of omission (failure to do obligatory good works) can lose salvation. Even Jimmy Akin admitted it.

[@iagoofdraiggwyn98]

What use is a tree, if it fails to bear fruit? So to, what use is belief, if it fails bear good works? If you do not walk the walk, then how can you mean the talk? This is the nature of what is True Faith.

[@MrsCambers]

Trent you as well as Matt from Pints with Aquinas, Bishop Barron, Father David Guffey on The Chosen roundtables, as well as Jonathan who plays Jesus have inspired me to dig so deep. I can no longer deny real presence in the Eucharist. I just recently learned about the Queen Mother in the Davidic Kingdom. I’m sold. You all have helped me want to join the Catholic Church. I’m already baptized trinitarian in a nondenominational church (December 5, 2004….twenty years this December.) So it’s now a matter of RCIA, and getting confirmed. Thank you for helping me to understand the Catholic faith properly.

[@timboslice980]

I used to call it the 12 gauge protgun. In James White’s recent debate against Alex from voice of reason, white did his usual blast. Alex went through them like a buzz saw! He didnt give comprehensive responses for everything but quickly was able to cut through them. I was impressed! I think Alex came back with so many responses that it overloaded James White with counters and he never got to boast how alex refused to answer some of his claims. James even hugged alex in the debate. Ive never seen anything like it. Not saying we shouldn’t listen to Trent because it takes a crazy memory to do that especially in a live debate. Still i think it was insane and definitely worth a watch if you guys havent seen it

[@joelpenley9791]

I too was impressed with how Alex was able to efficiently answer White's points. Personally when I am faced with the Shotgun fallacy and limited time, I will say exactly that. Look, I don't have time to answer all your points, so can you pick what you think is the strongest point and I will address that first. This has a nice double effect of getting them to pick what they believe is the strongest, so they can't accuse me of picking the weakest points. Also, when I do refute what they choose as the strongest point, it sets the tone that all their other points will also be defeated. Finally, something I have found too often is that the person employing this fallacy doesn't really understand the points they are making and they actually don't even know what the strongest point is. I don't think that is the case with White, but internet keyboard warriors often fall into this. They parrot 5 or 6 points they heard someone else make, but they don't really understand the points and don't really know which is the strongest.

[@timboslice980]

@@joelpenley9791 Yeah i have to say i totally agree with what youre saying. I’ve dealt with the same issues online, when im in person its much more organic. You can see their eyes lighting up or dimming with indifference, so you know which arguments have impact and which ones dont. I’ve done the exact same thing though, i’ll tell them pick one or 2 of their best points and i’ll address them. Usually i dont hear from them again. I assume it’s like you say, they dont even know which of their own arguments they find strongest. I feel like these guys just are too lazy to do the work but want to be right out of some emotional appeal. My best friend is a non denominational and his postion is strictly preference. He hears anti catholic arguments and tries to free me from the cult on occasion but can never deal with the return arguments. Never can deal with the biblical passages, it’s just a matter of time i think. The point is, he and i have an ongoing debate and weve come to take one topic at a time. It’s really the only way to have a real conversation

[@davido3026]

James white is but a stubborn broken record!!!!

[@jendoe9436]

I think what helped Alex a lot with debating James White is that White tends to use the same old arguments without really adding anything new. He’s been ‘debating’ since the 90’s, so it was probably easy for Alex to look at his past stuff, decipher the general arguments White uses, and then tailor his speech and responses to that. In this case, Alex using Scripture to back up his claims did way more to support his position because White didn’t really argue the Scripture, just went to his default anti-Catholicism rhetoric. It put Alex in the offensive and White constantly had to play defense, but couldn’t keep himself stable because 1) he didn’t know Alex so couldn’t anticipate his style and 2) White hardly changes his talking points. Was it White or Gavin Ortlum who once complained during a debate that Jimmy Akin had slides already prepared to tackle the “Sola Scriptura argument” that got right to the point of the issue? The guy complained Akin “obviously wasn’t listening to him,” but the truth of the matter was that the guy had used the same old tired and false arguments for sooooo long that Akin could accurately predict what would be brought up and had back up slides just in case. When one’s entire argument rests on a few cherry picked arguments, don’t be shocked when everyone else catches on and starts predicting the obvious.

[@timboslice980]

@@jendoe9436 You nailed it! 💯 Have you heard the Tim Barber vs James White debate? It was a horrible debate but many are still saying Tim won. James went on twitter (look it up) and had the same exact complaints as he did with Jimmy Akin. Tim just anticipated his responses and basically had a code book and was able to give answers to James White’s usual arguments at an unbelievable speed. James white said he refuses to ever debate the man again. I think having nearly 200 debates makes you the boogie man but also the most studied debater out there. I literally used this tactic to my advantage in a real life live fire debate with a presby friend of mine who is really into apologetics and his best friend is a presby pastor who loves him some james white. I already had responses ready to every question i thought he might ask, already had arguments that i know james white couldnt answer. I decimated my boy in the debate, these days he’s still a good friend and will ask me what the church believes about a topic from time to time but said he wont debate me again until he’s studied more. He’s a good guy, has like 6k followers on tik tok

[@leonhewitt4744]

Always a good time Trent!

[@TheCounselofTrent]

Glad you had a good time! -Vanessa

[@keedee3104]

I appreciate this video. I have felt very exhasuted with the “bible gotcha” back and forth.

[@TheCounselofTrent]

Same here! -Vanessa

[@SirKingswillStJohns]

Once again, thank you Trent.

[@rickkrebsbach9278]

Thank you Trent! Excellent and informative podcast!

[@thecatechumen]

You see this a lot when Reformed Baptists are quoting a passage of Scripture and sneakily "tack" their own spin on the verse without explaining how they draw out these implications from the verse itself.

[@DPK5201]

Ask them and they will tell you That would be the case for all denominations, not just reformed Baptists. But then I know why you singled them out :)

[@shadowledastray]

Ah, I was a former "Reformed" Protestant, so I know what you mean. Lol Ironically, I was always the more intuitive type thinker, despite their focus on systematic theology. But a Bible blitzkrieg, now that never teaches anyone anything, it just shows an obsession with proving you're right.

[@DPK5201]

@@shadowledastray no one on a KZbin channel ever wants to prove they are right.

[@josh19200]

Trent I recently am coming back to the Catholic Church became a Protestant because I went to a Christian School your videos have helped me come back to the church

[@moustacheman7130]

Im a protestant but I have a great respect for the true believers within the Catholic church. (There are many 'cultural Christians' in the Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant faiths) What I've found to be the case is that Catholics and Orthodox will have a very good understanding of the history of the faith and the saints going back to the early centuries. Protestants unfortunately do not. Ive seen that its common to only know what their particular denomination teaches and to be surprised that anyone believes differently to themselves. We all have our strengths and weaknesses but we need to keep in mind that all of us who are earnestly seeking after the truth of God's Word and are believing and accepting of His grace are our brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@TheCounselofTrent]

Thank you for sharing! -Vanessa

[@davidnikolovlekes5353]

@@TheCounselofTrent Brother can you do REBBUTAL or DEBATE on ISAIAH SALDIVAR’s attack on catholic faith?

[@TheMaster3782]

For a time I attended an evangelical Protestant church. Wanting to know more of their teaching, I picked up their pamphlet on baptism, a pamphlet that advertised the Protestant view on adult-only baptism. I read the entire pamphlet and looked up all its biblical references purporting to prove their position. What I found was that NONE of the referenced passages discuss baptism at all.

[@DPK5201]

I know a.woman who went to her priest with a question and he referred her to a well known Catholic book. She read the book and said it contradicted what she read in the Bible....and became Protestant! My point is pamphlets and priests are no substitute for reading the Bible yourself!

[@TheMaster3782]

@@DPK5201Am I to be unconcerned by an official document produced by a Church where their teachings are obviously false or completely unrelated to the subject it purports to teach? Show I not care that a church that purports to teach the Bible doesn’t know what’s in the Bible?

[@Silvia_Arienti]

This is very helpful.

[@hglundahl]

0:20 Just happened to me, except instead of getting overwhelmed, I picked the counterexample. The word "saints" may be used in the NT exclusively about people alive on earth, but Apocalypse certainly at least twices mentions people who have died as what we would call saints.

[@lizlovsdagmara5525]

Correction on blitzkrieg. This is a German word that translates litteraly as "lightning" (blitz) "war" (krieg). It was used extensively by German forces. It was a swift, hard, sizable attack with extensivs use of motorized units. What allied forces used against Germany was carpet bombing. The video bits showing bombers are engaged in what is called carpet bombing not blitzkrieg.

[@dave_ecclectic]

They also concentrated the forces and used air support extensively. But the B-17s are not _carpet bombing_ they could do that at night. They are _Precision bombing during daylight._ An extremely costly method of bombing.

[@grantlicari6393]

​@@dave_ecclecticWell, the Americans did that. The Brits however did nighttime raids to reduce casualties and they also didn't quite care if the target was military or not. Not to jump down this rabbit hole but the Americans and British had two different doctrines on what large scale bombing should be.

[@rafecolii]

Another banger from Trent

[@brianwagner781]

What no Catholic, or Christian period should be satisfied with, is knowing the Bible like I know Paris (for example). Certainly heard of it many times. The sites, the food, the coffee, the people. By the testimony of others and seeing it in indirect ways, I probably even know a lot of true things. But I've never been there. Certainly haven't lived there, spent significant time and explored it. And while I think it would be cool to go to Paris, I'm mostly OK with my current level of knowing it. Most of us don't know the Bible either like the Postman, or the kid who lives in the neighborhood. But like a 2nd hander, assuming we even attend church regularly or consume KZbin material about it.

[@IsraelCountryCube]

I responded only to have a loving conversation with the reflection of me , Brian. Hello Brian. Oh wait your name is Wagner. Forget thought I am not Wagner. I am Brian! You know what we should go to Catholic Latin mass Tridentine don't you think so Brian?

[@brianwagner781]

@@IsraelCountryCube I honestly don't know why some people value Latin Mass over their home language. A subjective sense of gravity maybe? Whatever the reason it should be acknowledged that bringing someone to Latin Mass will provide a barrier to understanding what's happening and what's being expressed about God to most people (bc they don't speak Latin, and no one does as their primary language). There's a maybe similar phenomenon in my circles (I'm actually Protestant now). Some of us think it's really important to go back to Hebrew(why stop at Latin?). Not just for intense Bible study, but we should regularly refer to Jesus as Yeshua, or God as Yahweh/Jehovah. But I think that ignores a glorious feature of the Gospel. It is meant to go to every culture group of the world and be translated and heard there. It is glorious that Jesus is known not only in Hebrew by Hebrews. But in Chinese, Indian, English, Russian, etc.

[@AnselmInstitute]

So well done. Thank you for this.

[@TheCounselofTrent]

THANK YOU! -Vanessa

[@davidnikolovlekes5353]

@@TheCounselofTrentBrother can you do REBBUTAL or DEBATE on ISAIAH SALDIVAR’s attack on catholic faith?

[@daviddabrowski01]

Ask and ye shall receive 🙌🏻🙌🏻. Recently ive been reflecting on how recent adult converts into various Protestant denominations within a year of their baptism have verses memorized by chapter and verse. In my mind I think,”do they actually know what that means?”. I think the more egregious form is when it’s used to give off a false sense of authority or worse, wielded like a prideful hammer by one who is essentially a baby Christian trying to run before he or she can crawl.

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@daviddabrowski01 You're an honest and reasonable individual. It's good that you're thinking about matters of great importance. Do you realize the seriousness of the matter? So the guy in the video is basically saying that the Bible doesn't say what it means and says what it doesn't mean. The guy in the video is trying his best that people don't go by the scriptures but by what someone opines about the scriptures 👉 this means that and that means this and left means right and black means white and day means night. It's a make up as you go document. A perfect tool for the DE_V-I-L to take people astray. God is the author of confusion according to the premise laid down by the speaker in the video. I invite you to reason. The religious historian and philosopher Han-Joachim Schoeps says: “Here is a paradox of world-historical proportions: Jewish Christianity indeed disappeared within the Christian church, but was PRESERVED in Islam.” (Caps mine) Backed up by the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible.

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@daviddabrowski01 "Ask and ye shall receive" It's for our own benefit that such important call and wa-rn-ing is given. Hosea 4:6 My people are *de-str-o-ye-d for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rej-ec-ted knowledge , 🚩 I will also re-je-ct thee* , that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast fo-rgo-tten the law of thy God, I will also for-get thy c-hil-dr-en. ********* For your own benefit. God said that according to the OT. So that you reason. It's of such importance. You reason and you arrive at the truth and when you accept it however bitter it may be, God forgives your sins. “Come now, let us *reason* together, says the LORD: 🚩 though your sins are like scarlet, 👉 ✅ *they shall be as white as snow* 👈 ; 🚩 though they are red like crimson, 👉 ✅ *they shall become like wool* 👈 Isaiah 1:18

[@daviddabrowski01]

@@whiteandblack2005 Jesus Christ is Lord!!

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@daviddabrowski01 The Title: Lord Calling someone Lord in both the OT as well as the NT does not make a person GOD and does not necessarily mean GOD as it is used for many people throughout. It's a title of respect and reverence. Here are a couple of examples. Lord in Greek = KURIOS (Transliteration) In 1 Peter 3:6 Sarah called Abraham LORD. like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and CALLED HIM HER LORD. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear. In Genesis 32:18 Jacob called Esau LORD. "then you are to say, 'They belong to your servant Jacob. They are a gift SENT TO MY LORD Esau, and he is coming behind us.'" So someone with the title Lord is nothing special. Same is with Jesus. 👉 *Nothing special if Jesus is called Lord* 👈 It's only a title of respect and reverence in the Jewish context. [[Plus there is NO Uppercase or Lowercase differentiation in the manuscripts for Hebrew as well as Greek. The selective capitalisation is an interpolation by the pagan Trinitarian translators of the manuscripts and that is not being honest with what is there in the manuscripts. In plain words: Fa-lse teachers C-he-at-in-g the common people who blindly "believe".

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@daviddabrowski01 Your "Lord" Jesus preached and practiced: “And this is life eternal, that they might know *YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD* , and Jesus Christ, whom *YOU* have sent.” John 17:3 Have another look! YOU 👉 *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* John 20:17: “Jesus saith unto her, ...I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and TO MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD.” Have another look! ".... 👉 *TO MY GOD and YOUR GOD* "

[@jeannefernando4937]

I think the most valuable part I learned here is that we need to not put Bible verses against opposing narratives but show how they fit together. It’s more work. But it’s all Scripture and the synthesized syntopic method is the Catholic position in any case.

[@DPK5201]

Protestants would say Scripture does not contradict itself, and Scripture should be interpreted by Scripture. Paul and James were on the same page.

[@alexvlk]

I think it’s much better to have Magisterium blitzkrieg, amirite?

[@lottidd6037]

This is helpful. Thanks, brother Trent.

[@TheCounselofTrent]

We are so happy you enjoyed it! -Vanessa

[@bigfootapologetics]

My counter to the Bible blitzkrieg: copy and paste from Catholic Answers blitzkrieg in response. TOTAL WAR.

[@zeektm1762]

Why do we need to counter?

[@bigfootapologetics]

@@zeektm1762 It was a joke, but, to be fair: Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!

[@Crabpeople66]

Excellent video, I have experienced this many times and the analogy about the postman and the kids knowing or somebody lives really ran home to me.

[@jacobhilderman]

You’re wrong! John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8, Romans 8:1, mark 1:1-14, 1 Timothy 3:15, 2 Timothy 2:17, Revelation 1:13, Revelation 14:8, Malachi 4:18, 1 John 1:1.

[@DPK5201]

😊

[@nute742]

I understand this! (As an LDS) we are constantly under "attack", many use scriptures with their interpretations against us. But again you are right! (Its the meaning or "Spirit" of the law vs letter)!

[@vtaylor21]

From my experience, people who throw so many verses at one time don’t know what they mean. Some of the verses don’t relate to the discussion. I ask a simple question about one verse, and they don't know how to answer it.

[@whiteandblack2005]

Hello. Be honest. So the guy in the video is basically saying that the Bible doesn't say what it means and says what it doesn't mean. The guy in the video is trying his best that people don't go by the scriptures but by what someone opines about the scriptures 👉 this means that and that means this and left means right and black means white and day means night. It's a make up as you go document. A perfect tool for the DE_V-I-L to take people astray. God is the author of confusion according to the premise laid down by the speaker in the video. Do you realize the seriousness of the matter?

[@Truth-Is-a-Hard-Pill]

@@vtaylor21 Who is The Father according to the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible?

[@vtaylor21]

@@Truth-Is-a-Hard-Pill Darth Vader.

[@Truth-Is-a-Hard-Pill]

@@vtaylor21 The Father is Jesus' GOD - THE ONLY TRUE GOD. “And this is life eternal, that they might know *YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD* , and Jesus Christ, whom *YOU* have sent.” John 17:3 Have another look! YOU 👉 *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* John 20:17: “Jesus saith unto her, ...I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and TO MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD.” Have another look! ".... 👉 *TO MY GOD and YOUR GOD* "

[@vtaylor21]

@@Truth-Is-a-Hard-Pill Thank you for sharing. What does this have to do with my original comment?

[@Misa_Susaki]

Awesome video. As a believing Latter-Day Saint, I find myself constantly assailed by this tactic online- mainly by Evangelicals like you noted. This was a good reminder of what really matters.

[@jmcallion2071]

I noticed in the ad for this video that to emphasize blitzkrieg, you showed B26 bombers; it would have had more force behind it if they were Luftwaffe aircraft! Sorry Trent, bit of a WW2 purist! Great program though!

[@dave_ecclectic]

B-17s Besides the general shape and ball turret they are 4 engine bombers. My cousin would have been able to tell you what model.

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

I commented a similar thing 😂. I knew there had to be more of us!

[@dave_ecclectic]

@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty I was wrong, kind of. Someone else pointed out the fingernail has B-26s.

[@juliusalbe2070]

I wanna add something, especially for discussions about biblical intricacies: The most important topics are very easy to understand and to prove: how am i saved? Why do i need to saved? Who is god? Who is jesus? And so on. And for other topics, there is a place and a time to think and discuss them.. but there is limits to that and to what we can know. Good example: did mary have other kids/did she live celibate? That question is of very little importance to how i live my faith and the works i do. So i will not argue that question endlessly and wont think worse of someone who has another answer to it than i do. I think we should approach discussions about biblical intricacies with these limits in mind and above all have a great love for our siblings in faith.

[@P-el4zd]

If you know the liturgy you know scripture.

[@jackieo8693]

Right

[@wjgranger5]

This doesn't persuade me from protestantism, but this is sound advice whenever a bunch of bible verses are thrown at you in a debate. Thankfully, I came to this advice a long time ago and it probably saved my faith.

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@wjgranger5 You're an honest and reasonable individual. It's good that you're thinking about matters of great importance. Do you realize the seriousness of the matter? So the guy in the video is basically saying that the Bible doesn't say what it means and says what it doesn't mean. The guy in the video is trying his best that people don't go by the scriptures but by what someone opines about the scriptures 👉 this means that and that means this and left means right and black means white and day means night. It's a make up as you go document. A perfect tool for the DE_V-I-L to take people astray. God is the author of confusion according to the premise laid down by the speaker in the video. I invite you to reason. The religious historian and philosopher Han-Joachim Schoeps says: “Here is a paradox of world-historical proportions: Jewish Christianity indeed disappeared within the Christian church, but was PRESERVED in Islam.” (Caps mine) Backed up by the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible.

[@president234]

I'm a protestant and I've encountered plenty of Catholics who also do the "Bible Blitzkrieg". The LDS are probably the worst at it. I myself have probably done it as well. I don't think there is ill intent behind but it can be frustrating having to read the laundry list of verses and respond to every single one. But this is for anybody who wishes to discuss the Bible. There is nothing wrong with just stopping the person and telling them to discuss verse by verse or line by line.

[@zeektm1762]

It’s the gish gallop fallacy. The purpose is to overwhelm the interlocuter with supposedly authoritative quotes that it would be embarrassing to argue against. I have had an individual send me quotes from 6 different epistles in the New Testament - as if they all fit in the same context. It is the sign of a young, dominance-oriented mind.

[@brunot2481]

Yet in general those Catholics are former Evangelicals. Not that it is detrimental to their new beloved faith, but that it is not habitual to see it from cradle Catholics to do that. For one reason or another, they simply know that showing a kind of mastery over Bible verses can impress their former fellow Evangelicals, since they themselves are probably ind0ctrin4ted with the panacea that “Catholicism is not biblical” and “Catholics are biblically illiterate”. Those phrases were thrown at me by so many that I couldn’t even understand the number of times it was said. And so they learn this in their Protestant homes, churches and even communities. In that sense, I don’t blame the converted Catholics for taking this old habit with them; they probably just need to understand there is something deeply emotional, too deeply ingrained in Protestantism (either conscious or not), that is called “ideological anti-Catholicism” which is prior to all this. It is there in varying degrees: once one progressively frees himself from that, he can finally see things with even-handedness, I guess, so probably he can see truth just in front of him more easily and honestly. God bless!

[@president234]

@brunot2481 you couldn't resist, could you? I was simply trying to say a good way to combat the "Bible blitzkrieg" and you had to go on a ramble about catholics > evangelicals.

[@zeektm1762]

@@president234None of what this man said is false in my experience. You could not resist bringing your experience of “Catholics do this too” in your original response either. In evangelicalism, biblical literacy and memorization is emphasized far more than in Catholicism - the trend makes sense!

[@president234]

@zeektm1762 Yes, because this entire comment section, people talk about how protestants do this. And yes, I agree that some can. However, my point is that this is not exclusive to protestants or non-catholics. This is something plenty of people do from all denominations. So my whole point was how to respond to that. The trend of biblical memorization happens everywhere as well. There are plenty of evangelicals who do put an emphasis on understanding the context of the Bible. Most evangelicals i know put an emphasis on contex. There are also plenty of catholics who just love to memorize verses. Don't pretend that catholics are above it. But again, that's not my point. I'm not trying to knock catholics. I'm trying to point out that's this is common amongst every faith or denomination.

[@nightyew2160]

Thanks, this video was quite timely. I recently had to use 2 Peter 3:16 against a Bible blitzkrieg.

[@witch_painting_memory]

I have a lot of interest in Catholic teachings and traditions. And there are countless Catholics I respect, including you, Trent. I've even tried praying the rosary before and seriously considered going to confession. However, I don't think I could ever become a catholic myself. While there is certainly plenty of biblical evidence that influences my decision, for me in particular, the primary reason is this: I would be embracing my own doom. Quite simply, my only hope is that God might save me through faith alone. If my works have anything to do with my salvation, I'm lost. I'm simply not good enough, and I know it. Don't get me wrong, I believe works are important, and so I strive to avoid evil and to do good. But believing works is mandatory for salvation specifically is where the problem lies. Though I may do good works, I also routinely fail by doing evil or by not doing good. I also know I'm not alone in this self-evaluation. I've met many others who are of the same mind--people who recognize that they can never be good enough. I'll never forget what one man in particular told me. He believed in a works-based protestant faith, and he said to me, "I don't think I will be saved. But I at least want to live my life so that when I meet God, he might at least stop a moment, look down at me, and say, "Well, at least you really tried," before he throws me down into hell." When believing in salvation through faith alone, at those times when I fail, I can be encouraged that God still loves me, has still paid for sins, and that God has the power to do what I cannot. But in a works based faith like Catholicism, I can't have this encouragement. If I'm wrong about faith vs works, I'm still no worse off than I would be as a Catholic. And as a Catholic, I would simply be living with the terrible knowledge that there's no happy ending for me. To me, that's a far less appealing notion than at least living with hope, even if it ends up being a false one. So in the end, I can see no incentive at all to become a Catholic, or to accept any other works-based faith whatsoever.

[@zeektm1762]

Your understanding of Catholicism as being “works based”, in opposition to Protestantism which is “faith based”, is a sign that you may not have gone deep enough in Catholic theology. Saying that Catholics cannot have assurance/faith in Gods payment for their sins is very misleading.

[@witch_painting_memory]

​@@zeektm1762 ​ This is true, I don't have an expert knowledge of Catholic theology. I've never been Catholic myself, and I've had very little exposure to Catholicism in my personal life. I'll freely admit that I'm going off what I've heard from various Catholics, including the information Trent gave in this very video. "After we are saved [...] bad works damage our relationship with God. Unrepentant grave evil can even cause us to be separated from God forever." From my perspective, this sounds like faith gets you in the door, but works keep you there. And that would seem to me to be a works-based faith. You always would have to be on your guard, hoping that you've done good enough to avoid being evicted. This is how it appears to me, at least.

[@zeektm1762]

@@witch_painting_memoryI respect your humility and willingness to admit that you do not understand it fully. I pray that you will continue to grow in knowledge. My words matter less, but I promise you - the doctrine Catholics have about salvation, works, grace, and charity is more complicated than simply meeting a quota. There are many uneducated Catholics (and Protestants too) and supposedly reputable sources on the internet who are also speaking many things but know very little. I would humbly ask you continue to grow your personal relationships with Catholics who are knowledgeable in real life, and Protestants too!

[@witch_painting_memory]

@@zeektm1762 Thank you, I really appreciate your kind words. Like I said, I am interested in the Catholic faith as an outsider, so I'll certainly continue to be open to learning more. God bless. :)

[@ezekielizuagie7496]

​@@witch_painting_memory Except you're once saved always saved.. other forms of Protestantism also have that same idea more or less

[@pj_ytmt-123]

Time for a Bible verse! 🤓 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isa. 53:6)"

[@nigeltufnel775]

“A text without a context is a pretext for a proof text.”

[@oughtawork842]

These even keeled talks are great. I think the we all need to work together to help one another become more knowledgeable without dunking on our fellow Christians, Protestant or Catholic.

[@halfwaydead3087]

Trent, where's your icon of our lord?

[@Philip__325]

Almost looks like he’s in a Protestant pastors office 😂

[@thisis_chavez]

Oh, I get your opinion the office looks like a Evangelical Pastors office

[@halfwaydead3087]

@Philip__325 lol yeah I missed the icon gave the room more life imo

[@greypilgrim9967]

May God's peace be with you and your family, Trent

[@thisis_chavez]

I always pray that I become a successful Catholic Social Media Influencer to spread the teachings and Revelations of the Catholic Church and the entire Christendom. I hope and pray the Devotion to the Eucharist and the Holy Souls in Purgatory helps me. Our Lady, Queen of France, pray for us Chaste Heart of St. Joseph, pray for us King St. Louis of France, pray for us

[@eaqiie]

A wish to become any kind "successful media influencer" comes from the sin of pride.

[@sakamotosan1887]

Be careful that you don't fall into pride, friend.

[@Catholic_Crusader14]

Great video ✝️

[@jackieo8693]

What usually quiets the Bible thumper down is to ask, "do you know where the Bible comes from?"

[@philippbrogli779]

Responding one fallacy with another one is a good approach to show the error of someone elses thought process.

[@ninjason57]

Unfortunately any Christian who knows church history can also give explanations for that.

[@bobinindiana]

Are you putting down Fundamentalists & Evangelicals? Or are you a Bible Thumper, too? 📖

[@jackieo8693]

@@bobinindiana no insult intended. I'm talking about people who always have a contrary scripture to throw at you.

[@bobinindiana]

@@jackieo8693 Originally it was an insult for Fundamentalists, but now it is a badge of honor to Fundamentalists. So you are on your own.

[@guesswho22peekaboo]

BASED BiaY suggested 💪 Keep up the awesome work Trent! (Tell him. I know he doesn’t read comments lol)

[@Philip__325]

Unfortunately the intellectual dishonesty of Protestant Pastors is very shocking. It’s very cult like and similar to JW and Mormons.

[@bobinindiana]

My, my

[@fantasia55]

and Muslim imams

[@harrygarris6921]

When they have no epistemic humility it certainly comes across that way

[@bobinindiana]

@@harrygarris6921 Glory is defined as a knockdown, drag-out fight, right? Ad hominen all the way-no thanks! 😊

[@Electric_]

I was in Awana for the entire gambit and it’s maybe the best thing I did growing up with Protestant parents. Knowing what the Bible says is 99% of all you need, now that we have phones it’s easy to google verses. The best thing I took from Awana though was knowing what hundreds of passages say, not so much knowing their chapter and verse numbers.

[@uptop3711]

Alright, I’m gonna be that guy for this 0:24 blitzkrieg was about mechanized cavalry and maneuver warfare not aerial bombardment. Sorry, not sorry.

[@centurysince4312]

It was. Blitzkrieg was about overwhelming your opponent quickly often by penetrating behind enemy lines.

[@KW-mz4pn]

Yes I have Trent. I shake the dust from my sandals and move on. Currently taking Theology 101 from ICC! Love them ✝️

[@housecry]

Funny enough the Rosary helped me memorize several Scripture passages. I have a Scripture Rosary I recite and meditate with. It's published by Barton Cotton. The Rosary really is the Bible on beads. For example, one could list all the Scripture passages that correspond to each of the Luminous Mysteries and read and meditate on them and accomplish the same goal. It really is helpful.

[@TheCounselofTrent]

Thank you for this comment! -Vanessa

[@hesedagape6122]

Literally proves Saint Jerome right that anyone can string Scriptures together. So the only Roman Catholic defense for their unscriptural accretions are we are right because we are Roman Catholic. The Protestant Catholic does not use the Bible verses. We use passages and compare them. This is our longstanding theological tradition. And Jehovah Witnesses are Arians NOT Protestant Catholics

[@housecry]

@@hesedagape6122 My point was that reciting the same passages or reading them regularly commits them to memory. One doesn't need to pray the Rosary or use beads to memorize Scripture.

[@hesedagape6122]

@housecry well that is a benign point. I just hate videos where Roman Catholics feel they have to bash Protestant Catholics for perceived hurts all the time. We are 0.8 bn and you are 1.1bn. The world around us is 5bn. Bickering and proselytising will not save us if the few friendly states turn against us. The truth is we are an endangered species behaving as if we are on top of our game

[@scottgun00]

tl;dw check every citation an opponent gives. This is good advice for all areas of discussion.

[@whiteandblack2005]

You're an honest and reasonable individual. I invite you to reason. I'm a M-u-s-l-i-m. Jesus (peace be upon him) used to reason. Won't you?

[@scottgun00]

@@whiteandblack2005 Jesus is God incarnate. Have a good day.

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@scottgun00 Do you realize the seriousness of the matter???? You couldn't even quote Jesus to back up your FAITH because your FAITH does NOT come from the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible. In fact, your FAITH makes a FALSE preacher of Jesus of the Bible. “And this is life eternal, that they might know *YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD* , and Jesus Christ, whom *YOU* have sent.” John 17:3 Have another look! YOU 👉 *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* John 20:17: “Jesus saith unto her, ...I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and TO MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD.” Have another look! ".... 👉 *TO MY GOD and YOUR GOD* " ✅ Jesus preached and practiced 👉 Unitarian Vs ❌ Your FAITH 👉 Trinitarian Thanks to the FA-LS-E teachers in the footsteps of Paul of the Bible the f3r0c10us w0lf in she-ep's clo-thi-ng whom Jesus wa-rn-ed about.

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@scottgun00 Do you realize the seriousness of the matter? You couldn't even quote Jesus to back up your FAITH. ✅ Jesus preached and practiced 👉 Unitarian Vs ❌ YOUR FAITH 👉 Trinitarian “And this is life eternal, that they might know *YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD* , and Jesus Christ, whom *YOU* have sent.” John 17:3 Have another look! YOU 👉 *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* John 20:17: “Jesus saith unto her, ...I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and TO MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD.” Have another look! ".... 👉 *TO MY GOD and YOUR GOD* "

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@scottgun00 It's quite interesting that you were talking about citation and checking of the citations BUT you're unable to cite Jesus to back up your FAITH.

[@buurmeisje]

This is pretty hard for me, since I don't read the Bible in English, so when I try to quote a verse, I always have to take time to look up the English translation, to make sure I don't translate it wrong in my head 😅

[@WeakestAvenger]

On the other hand, sometimes the point is how various passages fit together to see the big picture about something. I did this with someone, and he complained that I threw out too many passages. Perhaps I did, but my point was that we have to look at how the theme ran through all of those passages. I was concerned that if we hunkered down in one passage, we would lose the forest for the trees and become derailed. Certainly, one still needs to work through each passage, but I think there are times when it can be helpful to at least begin by showing a running theme or how various passages can fit together, then later looking at them individually.

[@zeektm1762]

Time is a matter

[@TheDeanOfTheJets]

I call this playing Rock/Paper/Scissors with the Bible

[@jamesupton4996]

What is most important I think is to get some bearings in Biblical scholarship - like reading good introductions to the Old and New Testaments that historically ground them, and give some idea of the contexts the different writings emerged from. Technically speaking, for example, the New Testament isn't Scripture in the sense New Testament authors speak of Scripture. And that leads on to ecclesiology....

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

What they do next is usually bring up all of their debates from the 90s

[@adelbertleblanc1846]

Thank You Trent. If I may add this : Please let us re-read and relearn the GOSPEL, the Saints of the Church and the Teachings of the Church. In the current situation of the world we must re-discover the basics of our FAITH in order to can overcome the coming challenges.

[@IsraelCountryCube]

I woke up to watch your video, first video this day yazzz! Blesssed be thy holy counsel trenty boi!

[@Mr.DReed10]

6:45 Trent: "The Church has taught infallibly that those are false doctrines..." His key point is you don't need to know or understand the Bible; instead, you need to understand what the Catholic Church teaches about the Bible.

[@Chewinie]

I always ask them to look it up and read a few other verses before and after and see if in full context the one verse still holds

[@riverasamuel911]

What I often do (i'm not sure how successfull lol) Is to answer and provide verses as "backup"

[@von_nobody]

How know better neighborhood? Kid who play with everyone every day, visit fiends homes and have long friendships with people there, or mailman who remember address of every home in that neighborhood but most of his interactions are only greetings and shot talks about weather?

[@mrman5066]

5k views in 2 hours, bro rose on

[@dynamic9016]

Thanks much for this video.

[@TheCounselofTrent]

Thank you for watching! -Vanessa

[@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns]

Bible blitzkrieg is what infernalists do when I ask them to read Talbott (2014) or Reitan/Kronen (2011) or 2nd edition of Parry… or even The Linns’ book on it (although this is the weakest book out of the ones mentioned) Still love your work!

[@darthpizza3849]

Hey Trent, and Trents community this will be a longer message but please respond if you have the time as I really have some questions that need answered. I’m a protestant specifically baptist and lately have been intellectually convinced in the authenticity of the catholic church. Meaning I’m increasingly convinced it’s the one true church. This leads me to a few questions 1: if I didn’t convert and stayed at my baptist church would I still be saved? 2: if I converted to catholicism would I still be able to do things like pray to God in private and public without needing to recite specific pre-written prayers 3: can I still confess my sins to God directly 4: do I need to be re-baptized/can I be re-baptized?

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@darthpizza3849 You're an honest and reasonable individual. It's good that you're thinking about matters of great importance. Do you realize the seriousness of the matter? So Trent, the guy in the video is basically saying that the Bible doesn't say what it means and says what it doesn't mean. The guy in the video is trying his best that people don't go by the scriptures but by what someone opines about the scriptures 👉 this means that and that means this and left means right and black means white and day means night. It's a make up as you go document. A perfect tool for the DE_V-I-L to take people astray. God is the author of confusion according to the premise laid down by the speaker in the video. I invite you to reason. The religious historian and philosopher Han-Joachim Schoeps says: “Here is a paradox of world-historical proportions: Jewish Christianity indeed disappeared within the Christian church, but was PRESERVED in Islam.” (Caps mine) Backed up by the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible. Remember: Truth remains the truth whether or not anyone likes it.

[@DPK5201]

Im glad it was acknowledged that in the early second century the church knew what was Scripture.

[@lukekrell5665]

The antidote to "the Bible Blitzkrieg" is in knowing the scripture ourselves. Knowing the scripture does not necessarily mean knowing the chapter and verse. But it is often hard to know the scripture without knowing the general flow of the story and the main themes of each book. If you don't know chapter in verse that's ok. But if we are often feeling totally lost when large passages of scripture are read we should feel a sense of conviction.

[@whiteandblack2005]

@@lukekrell5665 You're an honest and reasonable individual. It's good that you're thinking about matters of great importance. Do you realize the seriousness of the matter? So the guy in the video is basically saying that the Bible doesn't say what it means and says what it doesn't mean. The guy in the video is trying his best that people don't go by the scriptures but by what someone opines about the scriptures 👉 this means that and that means this and left means right and black means white and day means night. It's a make up as you go document. A perfect tool for the DE_V-I-L to take people astray. God is the author of confusion according to the premise laid down by the speaker in the video. I invite you to reason. The religious historian and philosopher Han-Joachim Schoeps says: “Here is a paradox of world-historical proportions: Jewish Christianity indeed disappeared within the Christian church, but was PRESERVED in Islam.” (Caps mine) Backed up by the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible.

[@adambombdiggidy]

At about 0:50, I regret to inform you Trent, but you said "dodo"

[@BobJones-zw3ui]

Irenaes sounds like he has Martin luther in mind.

[@user-sf8mn9ed3d]

I feel like a related tactic I've come across is "Well, what does it say in the Greek?" Usually this comes about not when there is an articulated difference in our interpretations, but instead when they disagree with my interpretation but haven't offered a compelling alternative. It is virtually never "Well, the Greek actually says this." It's always "Well, I don't like that interpretation, so unless we can both read the ancient Greek texts and agree on our translations, I'm not going to accept your interpretation of this passag even though I haven't offered a different interpretation."

[@Truth-a_hard_pill]

Do you realize the seriousness of the matter? This is exactly what happens when you have a Book which, as the guy in the video says, says left but it means white, says days but it means night, says black but it means white. What a masterstroke played by the DE_V-I-L so that people make up their own as they go along. The text says "You" but it doesn't mean "You". I mean, might as well throw away the scripture and go with the imagination somersaults and mental gymnastics and conjecture contortions.

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

1:10 “Let them not flatter themselves if they think they have Scripture authority for their assertions, since the devil himself quoted Scripture, and the essence of the Scriptures is not the letter, but the meaning.” -St. Jerome

[@twc35ga50]

This is true, it’s a problem that all groups have.

[@TheCounselofTrent]

Good point! -Vanessa

[@die-eggocamaney6967]

Another way to conduct a conversation, is to always set rules or tackle each topic and only that topic. Once that topic is exhausted you can move on. Always direct them back to topic and always focus on Bible verse; for example: can u show me that verse and focus on that one before moving on. Always say what does that verse mean in that context before applying it to another, once they understand what the context means they can use, as long as the don't twist it.

[@Truth-Is-a-Hard-Pill]

@@die-eggocamaney6967 Fantastic. Who is The Father according to the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible?

[@DUZCO10]

Id recommend learning a basic outline of Christian history and how the canon of scripture was closed. Most protestants haven't a clue how they got the bible

[@protestanttoorthodox3625]

This is awesome