Surviving The Canning Lid Shortage - Used Lids and a Tattler Gasket

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[@christyvwperry9423]

I find it very hypocritical of all of you coming on this channel to attack this lady for her experiment and also rosered's but you accept the other channel who tells you in several videos I have watched that this is not an approved method or you shouldn't can cured meats as she cans cured meat! All of you need to stop! If you dont like it then its pretty simple. DON'T DO IT! Before you even start I happen to like all three channels. But the snarky attitudes really are tiresome.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

ChristyVW Perry...yup the old POT and KETTLE routine!!!!

[@Threadsandjars]

When I have used the Tattler gaskets on used lids, I tighten the lids down just like normal, ignoring how the Tattler instructions say to do, because of the sealer in the old lid. The gasket needs to sink into that a bit. Never a fail. Be healthy, stay safe and many blessings, Morgan

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Threads and jars...ahHA, so you have done this too!!! yes I found that tightening the lids like normal is the best way to get the jars to seal!!

[@lynntomk]

The controversy is all about money. Tattle wants you to buy the whole package. The goal is the jar seals and the food is preserved. Stop allowing YT personalities to influence your free thinking. If you want to try the method go for it. If the jar doesn't seal it's just like any other lid I've tried. Ball can fail and so can Tattler. You do what you have to do when times are desperate. Good video. Free thinking!

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Lynn Tomk...Thank You

[@missreynolds3637]

Amen

[@dianetucker2711]

Did not know you could use Tattler rings with reused metal lids!!! Thank you so much for this informative & detailed video ❣️

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Diane Tucker...It wasn't my idea, I had a viewer tell me this about 4 months ago and have been itching to try it out, and perhaps it may be of use to some who are having difficulties finding adequate supplies this year and Thank You!!!!

[@dianetucker2711]

I’m certainly going to try it. 🥰

[@reginahasz7723]

Tattler company is totally against those as it is not safe. Contact them if you don't believe me. DO NOT DO THIS.

[@grandmasoffgridliving]

Noooooooo. You cant! They won't seal long term! There is nothing on the metal lid to keep it on! Because of this B.S way of using them tattler has pulled the rings. So now those of us that actually use the tattler lids can't get our replacement! The original metal lids have the seal imbedded. Tattler rubber seals are NOT imbedded.

[@dianetucker2711]

This hasn’t been tested for LONG TERM ladies. Let’s do the testing (maybe with water) and see how it goes. I truly doubt Tattler has tested this particular procedure.

[@northernkarma9296]

Good experiment Toni, thank you!! I have a few Gem jars and I love them! I wish I had more. I have canned pasta sauce in them with the glass lids and new(ish) rubber rings and they came out just fine! :-) :Love your videos. Take good care.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Donna...Good to know re; the glass lids..thank you!

[@Monkchip]

You're really teasing with all the neat and nice jars and canning jars etc. you've been finding lately.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

teri mckinney...well, i've had those old crown glass-lid jars for a while. I did pass up an opportunity to purchase a whole box of them for $5 a while back...kicking myself for that now...but that's the way it goes sometimes...and storage IS an issue!

[@oregonbassboss98]

Good video presentation. I'm glad that you are covering alternatives as there are shortages out there, especially lids. These days folks need to be somewhat versatile and creative. Now here is some information that we have heard from a source that knows someone who works for the parent company that produces Ball, Kerr, Bernardin products. They will be concentrating production on jar cases and not much on lid packaging this year. How much truth there is in that is open to speculation but as I am not seeing much in the way of lids in the stores the statement seems to ring true. The upshot here is that you are giving folks different possibilities and that's a good thing.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Oregon BassBoss...It would not be unusual for a company like that to focus on the "complete package" of jars, lids and rings over the consumable lid or lid and ring combo....But I couldn't confirm or deny...I just keep hearing that there are still many in the US having trouble finding lids...and yes people need to find alternatives when their "preferred" is no longer an option.

[@juliestockstill3957]

Thank you for the video. I look forward to them. I plan to try this method.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Julie Stockstill...You are welcome!

[@lyndabuchholz1216]

What a good idea of using the tattler rubbers for canning with regular lids. I will be trying that!!!

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Lynda Buchholz...Yup, not my idea, but I'm happy to pass it along..It's always good to have alternatives available.

[@AndreaRuralMN]

I've seen others on youtube using tattlers tighten as usual then back off/loosen a little bit. In my experimenting I did like you (and the instructions!) and hold a finger on top while tightening. I got 50% seal rate. Now I get 100% by usual tightening and backing off. When they come out of the canner I tighten like I normally do, not overly crank them, that led to some failures for me. Hope this helps!!!!

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Andrea...I think that the instructions are what they are because most people do over tighten the lids at the best of times. Thanks, that info helps...I have developed my own feel for how "tight" (it's not quite "tighten as usual then back off/loosen a little bit" but close and will likely stick with that when I try using the tattlers as well...and I agree that when they come out of the canner "not overly cranking them" is the way to go...Thanks again!!!

[@rorriannroch]

Honestly after watching this twice and thinking about it I think this method should have a stronger seal than the metal lids alone as well as with the tattler/harvest guard lids.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

lauri collins...It is a stronger seal, and the tattler/harvest guard gaskets are a perfect fit...I guess they have to be!!!!!!

[@AndreaRuralMN]

I just canned strawberry jelly with tattlers and all sealed! First product with them, tested with plain water before to learn how. Tea would be an inexpensive experiment too!

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Andrea...it is always a good idea to test with inexpensive items ...as failures are more likely the first time we try something new...good to hear that your jelly jars all sealed.

[@marilynb.4482]

I am going to purchase and test silicone rings off of Amazon to use instead of the rubber seals. They are "suppose" to seal like the rubber rings, bhp free with unlimited useage. They are very affordable. I have seen them used on other channels so I am going to see how well they perform. I am so glad you are doing these experiments. You are helping out a lot of people especially us in the U.S. that cannot get lids.

[@oregonbassboss98]

Confirming that lids in the USA are scarce and when they come in they go out just as fast.

[@marilynb.4482]

@@oregonbassboss98 You are so very right! My maiden name is Bass so I guess I am a Bass boss too!

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Marilyn Baker...let us know how the silicone rings work for you...Yes, I don't understand why so many in the US are still having trouble getting lids, other than the fact that you have a Huge Market compared to Canada..

[@marilynb.4482]

@@HerHomesteadSkills Never thought about the market comparison. Spot on for sure. Also, they make more money selling the cases and as you know it's always about the money!

[@oregonbassboss98]

@@marilynb.4482 Now that is a great story. I love it and thanks for sharing that info.

[@horticultureandhomes]

Love those crown lids and deep rings. Did you know that your lemon squeezer is meant to be used by placing the lemon in opposite of how you did it. You'll get more juice that way.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Horticultureandhomes...lol, I didn't know that i was using the lemon squeezer all wrong...thanks I will try it the opposite way next time...

[@missreynolds3637]

Hey Tony have you done another update on those lids again? I missed it if you did? How're they holding up? Past the 100 days which I think are great, but for the doubters ya know😆

[@njmorrissey9437]

Canning was not always regulated. During home economics college days canning instructions were standerized. There were many different types of jars and methods as well as recipes. As lids were made and time progress and the sealing compound has become thinner failure happens. You are testing like the USDA tests and this way may some day approve. Did you know the new Ball book of recipes are not approved! One wonders if women can think for themselves anymore like our mothers and grandmothers did in hard times.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

NJ Morrissey...lol...The school of hard knocks is a great teacher!!

[@missreynolds3637]

Amen to that.

[@journeywithnancy]

Turn the lemon over, that tool is used with the peal side up and the lemon opening facing down, it juices way better that way plus the juice will come out the holes, no need to hold it sideways.

[@kellygarnet6329]

Yes she has the lemon in it the wrong way. The peel side should be against the convex side.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

journey to whole foods...lol...Yup, I was informed I was using it wrong when I first put out this video....Thank You

[@kellygarnet6329]

My mother used Crown jars with the glass lids for decades.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Kelly Garnet...Yes, Lots of our mothers did!! and some of those jars are still used today !

[@poodledaddles1091]

Love this!

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Thank You!

[@cbass2755]

Great video Tony. Thank you! But I have a question as I'm a new canner...why waterbath ice tea? Is it just to seal them for storage? Idk....

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Cbass...well you can purchase industry manufactured Iced tea, either bottled in individual serving cans or in larger sizes...so why not....and it was also an inexpensive test "food/drink" product for my experiment without resorting to the least expensive...water!

[@cbass2755]

@@HerHomesteadSkills Oh...I was thinking it had to do with acidity...Lol...idk...I'm new so that's where my brain went to.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Cbass...Your thinking is spot on! if the iced tea was not acidic enough, it would have to be Pressure canned!

[@cbass2755]

@@HerHomesteadSkills Oh..ok. Thank you! Canning can be confusing to me, so I know my questions can sound silly, but thanks for being so kind...😄

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

@@cbass2755 No Question Is silly. Any New Canner is free to ask away, and any other more experienced Canner is also free to jump in and help out the new less experienced ones...I certainly don't have ALL the answers either!

[@debbiewilson6527]

Good info.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Debbie Wilson..yup, it never hurts to experiment!

[@giselelavallee7259]

There Viceroy sell for $1.99 at Canadian Tire - They carry them all the time.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Gisele Lavallee...Unfortunately for some of us the ones that Canadian tire carries are for the old crown and jem jars...(different size) Viceroy apparently does make rubber seals for regular and wide mouth jars but I have yet to find a retailer that carries them.

[@lynhanna917]

you can get the Vicroy rubber rings at Peavey Mart in Canada. I was also able to get the glass weights to hold down fermented items in canning jars there. Always give the farm stores a look if you are trying to find unusual things.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Lyn Hanna...OHHH. The Glass Weights are worth a drive to Peavey Mart on their own, especially now that I am doing a fair bit of fermenting...for those that don't know Peavey Mart in Canada purchased Tractor Supply.

[@Justme-Diana]

Well now I want a glass of ice tea. lol

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Diana...Lol

[@debbiericker8223]

You didn't de-bubble the jar contents, LOL!

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Debbie Ricker...LOL!!!!

[@missreynolds3637]

Reading through the comments Wow 😳 I would rather watch someone that can think outside the box, and is real in her ideals, than watch someone that built their channels on lies, doing the very things, they're supposedly against now, to fit in with the 😆 "safe canners" what a joke. You're testing it, is all the proof I need. Thank you.

[@JaniceCrowell]

Is tea high enough 8n acid to water bath can?

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Janice Crowell...tea is mildly acidic on it's own, but because I added the lemon juice it was perfectly safe to water-bath can.

[@inannashu689]

Ha,I Just ordered some rings and thought about the same thing.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

INANNA Shu...well it s the rubber seal (rings) that becomes the issue with gently re-used lids, so it stands to reason that this idea would work...happy canning!!

[@barbarannie]

FOR ME: If there is a doubt, then there is NO doubt. Do not do it! It may well work, but why chance it? This is my opinion.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

barbarannie...well that means that home canning is a total "don't do" it for you because there is NO guarantee.

[@barbarannie]

@@HerHomesteadSkills please do not be ridiculous. There are enough risks of things to go wrong, why add another? You see I am not a rich women by any means and I can not afford to intentionally risk the ruination of food. I just do not have the resources for that but I wholeheartedly support your right to do what you want.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

barbarannie...because it may NOT be "adding" a possibility for things to go wrong but rather for things to go right....It all depends on your perspective...glass half full vs glass half empty .....smile "I wholeheartedly support your right to do what you want" that's good to know...me too! and welcome!!!!

[@kellygarnet6329]

Rather than teater the rings on the lip of the jar, hold it in the indentation of the lid and flip it moon that way.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Kelly Garnet...Thank You, I will try that next time!

[@KatMa664]

Humm I guess that works but why not just use the proper infinitely reusable and rust proof Tattler lid that comes with the gasket? And just save the used metal button tops for vacuum sealing. I will never need to buy another lid as long as I live. I just use my Tattler and Harvest Guard lids and gaskets. I only use button top if I’m giving away the jar as a gift. And then I’d never try an untested lid on a friend.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Kathy Jenkins...why not? the product is NOT cost effective!!! ok..One box of 12 Tattler lids and rings cost me 18.99 plus 13% Ontario tax for a grand total of $ 21.46...and because they are not available locally...add shipping cost of at least $ 6.00....for 27.46 I can purchase a case of jars complete with lids and rings for $10 to $15 dollars depending on which product and size...and the balance can buy 5 boxes of lids from Dollarama....p.s. agreed, one must NOT foist experiments on a friend!!!!

[@artbykcappadona5166]

@@HerHomesteadSkills Well you are saying they cost twice the money that your metal lids do. Agreed. But they last a lifetime.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Art By K Cappadona...Actually at 18.99 I can purchase over 7 boxes of lids so the cost is much greater than double.....and a "part" may last a lifetime "perhaps" (plastic also becomes brittle over time) and that is definitely a benefit...but even for experienced canners the failure rate is higher and that too adds to the cost and diminishes the value....BTW I personally like Tattler products..I would have no issue using them except for the cost...for ME...They are NOT cost-effective.

[@KatMa664]

Well I am a very frugal minded person. And also very concerned with having materials for the future. Which is why I got the harvest guard lids three years ago. I have not had to buy another lid since. And they really were not that expensive. So I will probably never buy another lid because I can reuse my lids over and over again and they never dent. This was my own decision for my own needs and it had nothing to do with any KZbin personalities. And it has worked out beautifully for me. Because I consider it very very cost-effective. But to each their own.

[@missreynolds3637]

I personally haven't had luck with the harvest guard re useable lids all but one sealed and came un done on the shelf slowly after sealing days later. Glad I only did bean soup. So not that expensive of a loss, but it still a loss. I appreciate people like Tony that can possibly find a better way. No one is forcing any of you complaining to do it. Don't force your thoughts on the rest of us. Move on. Thank you Tony, for taking the time to figure out another possible way for the rest of us, who are open minded enough, to new ideas and ways of doing things a different way. Thank God for critical thinking people. What a world, what a world. Blessings.

[@tlynn7463]

Brilliant idea to can tea. I have never considered it until now and my husband loves his tea. Thank you.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

JavaWho...You are so welcome!

[@debbiewilson6527]

You get 10 uses out of the gaskets.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Debbie Wilson...Thank you..good to know!

[@tonijurkones9797]

Hello 👋👍

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Toni Jurkones...Thanks for visiting

[@laurastrickland8847]

Not safe!

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Laura Strickland...actually I found it to be just as safe as using a plastic lid! your mileage may vary !!

[@missreynolds3637]

@laura 🐂💩

[@jackielittle4498]

Will not follow these unsafe canning ways. Tattler said this practice is unsafe!

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Jackie Little...OK!

[@kellygarnet6329]

I don't give a rat's rear what Tattler says. They have an agenda to sell a system and don't want to be a ring supplier.

[@missreynolds3637]

Only because Tattler has something to lose.

[@LeeCraftyHomestead]

NO NO NO NO! THIS IS NOT SAFE CANNING. TATTLER IS NOT APROVING THIS.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Empty Nester Homestead...do you really EXPECT them to?

[@madellinesantana9386]

Who cares respect her.

[@kellygarnet6329]

I don't give a rat's rear if Tattler approves it frankly. They don't want to end up just being a ring company. They're trying to push people to buy their whole system even if the rings are the best part and maybe the only safe part.

[@timbinman]

The ultimate irony is this: After a long time in denial, Tattler is now MAKING, selling and recommending their gaskets be used with their new metal lids - just as this lady initially proposed. Only difference: she is re-using old metal lids. A seal is a seal. NIH seems to be the syndrome...Not Invented Here. But once they decided it was a good idea, they tooled up and joined the parade. I think the idea is genius! It is now my standard practice even with new lids. The gaskets give very good seals!

[@Kimber1Day]

So many things wrong in this video. It is NOT safe to use old metal lids w/ Tattler or any other types of gasket. False seals are a real thing. I just don't know why you would risk your families health or the $$$ you spend on food to do something so unsafe and untested.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

K Day...Hmmm...this your opinion, and you are entitled to it, however there is so much wrong with your statement...false seals are a real thing no matter what method you use, and anyone with a brain knows to take the ring OFF the Jar so that the false seal can RELEASE.

[@Kimber1Day]

​@@HerHomesteadSkills Actually no, this isn't my opinion, it is fact. Using Tattler or any other type of gasket (not rubber bands) under previously used metal lids is not safe or approved. It has not been tested or approved by any scientific body, any US extension office, by the NCHFP, or Ball, or anyone else who might be considered a "trusted source." I'm not sure how there can be "so much wrong..." with my comment when I only said two things. 1) False seals are real and 2) using Tattler gaskets (not rubber bands) under a previously used metal lid is not safe. Like Empty Nester Homestead indicated below - Tattler has even come out publicly to say that this is not a safe or approved use of their product. What's funny is that your response to ENH is "do you really EXPECT them to?" It's funny because you follow Tattler's instructions in the video when you said "the tattlers recommend an inch headspace so I'm going to go with that." So basically you only follow instructions and guidelines sometimes. Good to know. You can share bad information - your channel, your rules - but you can't expect everyone to agree and not add correct information in the comments. Especially people who follow, advocate for, and teach safe canning. People put a lot of time, energy, and money into their canning, so bad info like this is hurtful to those families who do not know about safe canning recipes, methods, and processes. It not only costs them money when they lose their food but it could make them sick if they don't realize they had a false seal.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

K Day..."but you can't expect everyone to agree" i don't "Especially people who follow, advocate for, and teach safe canning." amazing statement considering the things that I have seen supported by these same people. Is there a new internet group forming now to eliminate all practices that don't conform to their guidelines? ..BTW..The false seal is a false argument...everyone who has ever canned anything using any method has HAD a False Seal...

[@JaniceCrowell]

If I could not find lids, I might try this. I would be very careful and especially check seals regularly. But if canned for proper temp and time, if it seals, isn’t it safe?

[@Kimber1Day]

@@JaniceCrowell Canning supplies are few and far between right now so I totally understand why people might be inclined to try this. However since it's not tested, we can't know that it's safe. One thing that comes to mind is that it wouldn't vent the same as either a metal lid on it's own or a gasket with it's proper lid. That means that your food may never get hot enough to make it safe. Tattler has made multiple statements about this and one of the things they have said is that it might seal but they wouldn't expect the seals to last more than 30 days, if that. If you are going to buy the gaskets go ahead and get the lids that go with them. The Tattler & Harvest Guard gaskets are made specifically to go with their lids which are much thicker and rigid than the metal lids. I've used Harvest Guard lids for years and have never had a failed seal for as long as I've had the jar. Here is a video of someone reading one of the letters from Tattler. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3yzY4KNrseri8U

[@dianaorcutt2442]

PLEASE PEOPLE DO NOT DO THIS!!!! THIS IS NOT A SAFE CANNING PRACTICE.

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Diana Orcutt...OF COURSE IT'S SAFE...I have shown that the jars I have canned using this method have held a strong seal for 100 days now...I can leave them for another 100 days if necessary! All you have in rebuttal is a statement with NOTHING to back it up except the words of those with a vested interest in making sure this method is NOT adopted. PROVE ME WRONG!!!!

[@meldlew]

As long as the food is processed completely, and the jar is still sealed… why wouldn’t it be safe?

[@HerHomesteadSkills]

Melissa Lewis...right, It's no less safe than any other "properly processed and sealed" home canned food...

[@meldlew]

Also Harvest guard and Tattler lids are also not USDA approved 🤷‍♀️ Tattler over reacted and was very u professional with their public statements this week.

[@dianaorcutt2442]

Her homestead skills, All I am saying this is not an approved safe canning practice and you should not be telling others how safe it is. Not everyone has money to throw away if the jars break seal in storage and they have families to feed. There are a lot of people who are new to canning and are looking for people to show them how to do it correctly and safely.