Suzuki V-Strom 800DE vs Yamaha Tenere 700 | Which Should You Buy?

How does the engine and suspension compare? Which is better on & off-road?
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[@onthebackwheel]

So which are you choosing, the Tenere or V-Strom?

[@gdelarama4256]

I choose the T7. When i can afford it someday soon.

[@colin20cal]

I've owned my T7 for over 3yrs. Heavily modified, it does everything I need it to. I love its simplicity and renowned reliability. Is it the best option for how I ride, maybe not! If I was looking for a more long distance touring ADV bike the Susuki or the Transalp would be a better option. When I open my garage door and see the T7 is always love at first sight, that's enough for me. Great video, will sub and follow your Vstrom journey. 👍🏻

[@onthebackwheel]

@@colin20cal I haven't met someone with a modded T7 who wasn't happy. Cheers mate, good to have you on board

[@davidgrunklee8407]

De800 for me!

[@change_your_oil_regularly4287]

T7 everytime no contest IMO

[@FernitoAM]

I believe it is an incredible achievement that we are even having this conversation. When the T7 was first released, the vstrom650 couldn't even dream of getting close to the T7, and now we are even discussing which one is better. Well done Suzuki. Two great bikes.

[@MrBenHaynes]

Perspective and usage. The V-Strom 650 is a much better bike for my usage than the T7. You can't even compare them as they are designed for totally different applications.

[@polishsatan3512]

​@MrBenHaynes absolutely true, I think the point he's making is that now that the 650 was made for so long, if you need that you already could buy it. On the other hand if you were looking for a ten7 competitor it was hard to find, now suzuki made a great competitor

[@Tonyx.yt.]

vstrom 650 was a confortable and sleepy touring machine, t7 is a large and capable dual sport

[@YOUNGMARTT]

Que tipo tan nefasto con su idea que las marcas de Yamaha son mejores , solamente porque los demás la tienen a ti gusto susuki es mejor que Yamaha así de sencillo muy costosa y es 700 y cara cosa que no lo vale

[@borislavkamarashev8482]

DE 800 for me is better all round bike.

[@successfu101]

@@borislavkamarashev8482 800de adv is what i bought in the end and i love it

[@Geshmaal]

Having test ridden both in the past month on tarmac, the V-Strom absolutely smashes the Tenere as a road machine. Despite the higher kg figure it's much less top-heavy, the engine is more potent and brakes are stronger too, and that's neglecting the fancy electronics. I'm very inexperienced in the dirt and haven't tested either bike on it, but if i had to choose one or the other to drag down the gravel/mud tracks around me it would also be the V-Strom. Perhaps if you need to smash over rocks and logs regularly then the Tenere is more capable but that's just not what I personally look to do on a 200kg+ motorbike!

[@onthebackwheel]

Good points. In a perfect world, V-Strom for ADV riding and a light enduro bike for play

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Wonder what Pol Tarrés could do with an 800DE? 😁

[@Birdynmnm]

Tried both on Road only, so cannot comment on off-road capabilities. The DE I find is completely superior, and honestly I haven’t ever ridden a bike that just makes me want to downsize and swap bike immediately. Impressive stuff from Suzuki

[@onthebackwheel]

Really? That's interesting. What bike are you coming from?

[@Birdynmnm]

@@onthebackwheel vstrom1000 xt from 2018

[@ownyourworld]

Ordered a vstrom can’t wait

[@brainsosmooth]

Impressed with what Suzuki has managed here. I JUST bought a Tenere a couple months ago, so I’m a bit biased, but for a mostly inexperienced off road ADV rider, I was really worried about that extra 60 lbs. I know everyone says it disappears when you start moving, but everyone says that about the Tenere’s weight and top-heaviness too and it certainly feels the 60 lbs heavier that it is over my previous bike. I also LOVE the sound of the Tenere and prefer the look as well. All in all, excellent market we have right now. It’s wild to see the expansion the middleweight ADV market has experienced in just the last 5 or so years. I’m sure Suzuki will sell the hell out of these and rightfully so

[@musikerman52]

Waiting to get my Suzuki next week, mainly because I got a good compensation for my 6-yrs V-Strom 650. I was quite happy with that, but one day driving with the 800 changed my mind. More spacious, more balanced, easier to handle, good engine charts... if it comes with the same reliability as the older one (no probs whatsoever during these 6 years), I'll be a happy man (and my son, a better biker, is also looking forward to drive it!).

[@patauger1193]

I have a 2022 tenere since one year. Doing 50/50. I demo one hour the suzuki 800 DE….man what a bike. Hand down i picked the suzuki for the road. I can’t try it off road but….final tought i will buy the suzuki for my next bike for sure…..better suspension out of the box, bigger tank, more power, quick shifter, traction control…..wow. That my choice👍

[@onthebackwheel]

The Tenere definitely has the edge off road, but you're right about on it!

[@OhCanada-wk3kl]

Great comparison of the pros and cons of each. As a less experienced rider, I found this very helpful and insightful. Thanks!

[@onthebackwheel]

Glad I could help out mate

[@Eltombrae]

I think the DE will be superior once the aftermarket support arrives

[@doublex632]

I think the quick shifter wins the day, 800DE for me, thanks.

[@onthebackwheel]

Its a good quickshifter too

[@stevencohen4580]

The T7 is over priced now for what you get, The DE800 is defiantly good bang for your buck.

[@onthebackwheel]

Agree. When they were introduced they were a steal

[@Tonyx.yt.]

Yamaha has the bad habit of increasing prices too much in the past few years, without providing any substantial upgrade, mt07 went from 6799 to 7999 and all you got was led lights and TFT color dashboard, honda cb500x went from 6999 to 7290 and you got improved (and actualy good) upside down fork, double front disk, full led lights...

[@diedfrombored5295]

Yea it sucks Tenere were 7k now they start at 10k, for serious offroad performance though it's still the best for the price, if all you're doing are moderately difficult trails any bike will do.

[@acgadventures90]

Both awesome bikes. If Suzuki make a more road biased vstrom 8 with a 19 inch front and tubeless tyres I’d definitely buy that. Majority of my riding is road, and the only off-roading I do are fire trails and gravel roads to get to camp sites. The tubed tyres RN are a negative for me considering I do lots of road stuff. Great content anyway mate and glad your happy with your new beast 🤙🏼

[@onthebackwheel]

Well you're in luck, they are bringing out a 19 inch model

[@alphajed7700]

​@@onthebackwheelthat's true, but there's another one to anticipate on the next EICMA, the GSX-S 1000T, the Versys' new nemesis.

[@acgadventures90]

@@onthebackwheel hey mate thanks for the reply, any chance you can link me to that info? Keen to have a read of the specs 🤙🏼 legend

[@onthebackwheel]

@@acgadventures90 www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/suzuki-v-strom-800-adventure-tourer-on-way/. Nothing official yet, but it'll happen

[@acgadventures90]

@@onthebackwheel you sir are a legend 🤙🏼

[@WadeMade]

I haven't ridden the Tenere but after riding a 800DE demo bike in the rain no less I was sold. The motor sold me for sure, so much torque. After you ride this bike on the street it just feels right. I'm sure the tenere is pretty awesome but where I plan to use this bike the 800 de adventure is a perfect fit for me.

[@onthebackwheel]

They absolutely nailed the motor

[@Chris_Z.]

Would be great to get your opinion on the Transalp if you can get one for a test ride. Compare with these 2.

[@thehoelzels6316]

The elephant in the room is that the Suzuki requires premium fuel. Not bad in the city. Once you hit the backcountry with the small two pump gas station/stores, you'll be needing fuel additives.

[@jsmith7013]

Valid point thanks. Plus, where I live premium fuel can cost an extra 60 cents a gallon which does add up.

[@minds4game]

Good point. For BDR rides, most small towns don't have premium.

[@Bok2022st]

I don't know who told you that they only run on Premium fuel but this is a load of rubbish they can run just has nicely on regular unleaded I don't know where this story comes it's simply isn't true

[@thehoelzels6316]

​@@Bok2022stthe owners manual.....

[@Bok2022st]

@thehoelzels6316 what year are you referring to because I have had just about everyone made how is 91 95 and 98 Premium without the problem on anyone have you seen the manual

[@gabrielkopp2036]

Even though i love my tenere ive decided the vsrom is a better fit for my riding and have my tenere up for sale to buy a vsrom..looking forward to your mods Curtis

[@onthebackwheel]

Interesting. Keen to hear what you think of it

[@psaunder1975]

Fantastic comparison, really good review, you present the pros and cons really well. :)

[@onthebackwheel]

Thanks, appreciate it

[@SKgeostrat]

Let's face it, they both are too heavy for real offroad work. As a long distance tourer, the V-Strom is clearly superior and can do gravel roads no problem, so it has to be the superior bike of the two. I would take the Suzuki to the end of the world, knowing that the reliability is going to be impeccable and being by far the more comfortable bike for long distance travelling.

[@onthebackwheel]

Good point and yes, they are both heavy!

[@JohnSmith-ef8nr]

Poll taris seems to manage the T7 ok.

[@onthebackwheel]

@@JohnSmith-ef8nr Pol Tarres is an amazing rider and his T7 barely resembles the stock machine. Plus he's a big unit!

[@JohnSmith-ef8nr]

@onthebackwheel The T7 is light for a 2 cylinder adv bike, I have a KLX450 which is light but it sucks for road use.

[@thehoelzels6316]

You'll only be able to take the new V-Strom to the ends of the earth...if they have premium fuel there. A lot of fine print people aren't reading

[@guschdi_3579]

I've just bought myself a Suzuki 800 v-strom and i think its not a bike that stands out in one special condition but it's just a perfect allrounder. I also trusted that bike from the first time i rode it just because of how it feels and handle

[@onthebackwheel]

Really enjoyed mine too

[@Mycatz]

Really considering these and the Tuareg 660. I love the styling of the Tuareg so I think that’s what I’m gonna go with. Dealership is 3.5 hours away but I’ve got a truck so should be fine.

[@onthebackwheel]

The Tuareg is the best on the market atm, you'll love it

[@paulwood3876]

Every bike is a compromise in some area, We buy adventure bikes so we can still ride on the roads to get to our destination , I would prefer the Vstrom under my butt for the highway and im sure i will still have just as much fun on it in the bush when i get there,

[@onthebackwheel]

A good point

[@Enduro_BALLISTIC]

Easy as that, Shitzuki is for someone who want to ride off road sometimes (light, soft off road riding) and more on road trips, Yamaha is for someone who want to ride more hard off road. They are good bikes what they are made for.

[@onthebackwheel]

Good bikes for sure 👊

[@diedfrombored5295]

Yep most people just take their ADV bikes on trails, which is why they don't like the T700, it's meant for more serious offroading that they will never do so they'll never see the point in one.

[@pinkiewerewolf]

Great run down on the VStrom and comparo with the T-7 Curtis. 👍 It will be interesting to see where you go on the suspension and the other modifications, but I’m mostly interested in how the suspension and good off-road tires transform the 800 DE.

[@onthebackwheel]

Me too mate. Been researching tyres and seeing what I can put on at short notice for a trip

[@pinkiewerewolf]

@@onthebackwheel Aye! Is tire availability an issue in Australia? It seems to finally be straightening itself out in the states.

[@onthebackwheel]

@@pinkiewerewolf seems pretty good now tbh

[@nevillejohnson8188]

To be fair I haven't ridden the 800 but love my T7 I like that there's so many accessories and you can sort of make them to suit you seats,screens,winglets,ect. We have a Yamaha dealer in town that was another big + for me.

[@onthebackwheel]

They definitely have the aftermarket advantage atm

[@northadventuressouth]

Just bought a V-Strom myself too Curtis. Your riding style is close to mine, so I am interested to see how you setup the suspension and hear your thoughts. You're a bit more hardcore than I am offroad, admittedly! I've bottomed the front forks a couple times jumping, but I am amazed so far. I went almost full tilt on all the clickers, and preload--and it seemed great on the hard-stuff. Backed off to get a little more comfort on-road, bottomed on the 2-foot or so jump again. Think I just need to admit the on-road compromise and set it firmer. Keep us posted brother! Great points all around. Miss your KLR yet? 😉 nah, dont miss mine either! Cheers!

[@onthebackwheel]

I'm finding the same mate. There isn't enough bottoming resistance in the forks. Last ride I put the front preload just one turn out and it feels great...but still bottoms out pretty easy

[@davidgrunklee8407]

@@onthebackwheel add 10ml oil to each leg...solved.

[@onthebackwheel]

@@davidgrunklee8407 I'll try it out

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Seems like a somewhat common effect with the stock suspension. It's good suspension, it would seem to be well equipped, it just lacks the proper spring rate and maybe the damping circuits could use a slight revalve for a bit more progressive resistance.

[@oxyg3n600]

Suspension on the 800DE is the best I have tried. Ever. Not only it's better but also longer and well balanced. Tested heavily T7 WR, 800DE and Transalp 750.

[@onthebackwheel]

Yeah right, interesting to hear

[@KyriakosSoul]

Which model is better of all these?(Tenere 700, v strom 800 DE, ktm 790 adventure 2023?) Which one would you choose?

[@onthebackwheel]

@@KyriakosSoul Tuareg 660 for me

[@KyriakosSoul]

@@onthebackwheel mainly for Hoghways and less off road?

[@onthebackwheel]

@@KyriakosSoulmainly for highways I'd be looking at the 790 or 800. I'm really enjoying my 800. It could use cruise control and better wind protection though

[@funguseater40]

That was a great comparison. I was looking at the 800DE, but have had 2 T7's since 2019 (1st was stolen 😢)...and love how they handle/easy going engine. I'm going to stay with the T7. Cheers 👍

[@onthebackwheel]

Good decision. I wouldn't change from one to the other either

[@pigmeal2224]

Test rode both back to back today. Tenere harsher, front end felt like riding over concrete corrugations, I was seriously wondering whether that display flapping about was even going to hold on or if I'd have to catch it as it flew off. And this was on the tarmac!! Mind you I ventured onto some dirt and rejoiced as that back wheel spun and danced in third!! The engine always willing if a little coarser. I had nearly discounted the Strom as being too pork bellied for me, and only rode it because sales person Curtis sort of ... "insisted" 😅! Damn ... what a surprise package - sweet engine, smooth as silk, quick shifter great. Felt no heavier than the Tenere, and was actually a bit playful on the bitumen. I turned back early on my test ride with the Tenere. Went all the way on the Strom, and wanted to go further!! And just an observation here - both bikes had 3 bars of fuel when I left dealer - just under half for both. Same route, same day, same conditions. Tenere was flashing low fuel when I got back - notwithstanding travelling much less distance. Suzuki dropped briefly back to 2 bars at the lights before the dealers, then bobbed back to 3 as I got back. Yeah I know different tanks, etc ... just an extremely interesting observation. Think I know now ... ❤ The only possible fault I could find with the Strom was terrible buffeting for my 5'10" with 32 inseam.

[@onthebackwheel]

'Sales person Curtis' hey?!

[@pigmeal2224]

@@onthebackwheel Elite mate ... 👍

[@onthebackwheel]

@@pigmeal2224 haha I thought you meant me! Their aren't many of us around, gets confusing. He's a good guy. Did you end up buying anything?

[@pigmeal2224]

@@onthebackwheel The Suzi's leading from MT800 and T7. Just gotta look at Transalp. Twba is registering theirs ready for demos next day or two. Imagine 2 DE's on Suthers Rd!!! 😉🤣

[@pigmeal2224]

@@onthebackwheel He insisted on showing me his own mount. Phew ... wicked!! 🤗

[@malisinimicus4358]

The problem with long distance adventure riding is that you also need to get back home afterwards and riding off road on heavy motorcycles that are compromises at best when off road is that you risk both injury and bike breakage. I keep seeing the marketing for these adv bikes such as the T7 and Africa twin as being riden like cross country bikes and mx bikes when off road by very tall and highly skilled riders. Most buyers of these bikes are over 50 and former dirt bikers and some still have the skills to get themselves into trouble but others wont be so well served to try to take these bikes where they shouldn't! Also keep in mind that if your on a trip you're going to have atleast another 20 - 30lbs of stuff strapped onto the bike up high which makes them even more evil handling off road! These are heavy, top heavy, high ground clearance road bikes

[@alphajed7700]

Honestly even if I need to choose between those two, I still choose both.

[@onthebackwheel]

Haha fair enough

[@Joelontwowheels]

I just put a deposit on the v strom 800de. I'm picking it up on Friday. Awesome bike.

[@onthebackwheel]

Enjoy mate

[@f22at12mm]

Both fantastic bikes, V-strom for best all round.

[@davidnobular9220]

But but but....As much as I'm a Suzuki fan, I think it suffers from Land Whale Syndrome....

[@northerntoyota7584]

Been cross shopping these 2. Suzuki demo days next week here and I’m taking the 800de for a test rip.

[@onthebackwheel]

Be interested to hear your thoughts

[@Marco81323]

Now I am even more intersted to hear your thoughts on the Suzuki vs Aprilia Tuareg

[@onthebackwheel]

Tuareg is still the best IMO. May do a dedicated video in the future

[@J0risw]

⁠​⁠@@onthebackwheelNice. I will be getting my Tuareg this week. Your vids were very helpful in deciding to go for the Tuareg.

[@onthebackwheel]

@@J0risw enjoy mate, you'll love it!

[@jibinraj6058]

Whoooaaaa great 👍. I will choose v Strom, I am 5 foot 3inch in height so Yamaha is really tall for me -i can reach one of my tip toe. I am a beginner in off road also, so I prefer v Strom .

[@onthebackwheel]

You can get a low seat too for a reasonable price

[@TLE1977A]

The T7 has a bolt on cradle and the engine is part of the frame tensile strength. Just like a road bike.

[@gordboyko769]

I’m torn between these two bikes .. I’m looking to upgrade from my DR650 next spring . I want a bike that can still handle the dirt with ease, but has longer legs on the highway with a smoother more comfortable cruiser for longer trips . Dealers in my area rarely have stock of either, so test rides aren’t really an option . I was dead set on a T7 … but now all these great reviews on the new 800 v storm has me leaning to the Suzuki. Hmmmmm

[@onthebackwheel]

I'd look at the Tuareg mate, best of both worlds and my pick

[@gordboyko769]

@@onthebackwheel Ah yes. I’ve watched some reviews of those too and they do look like a fantastic bike (on paper at least) But two reasons I’m not interested is one .. nearest dealer is 4 hours away . And 2 … their reliability is questionable… Seems to be the case with all European bikes. So that combined with no local dealer and the toureg is out of the equation. Another bike that suffers from quality issues is the ktm 890. If that was not the case, that is the bike I’d pick above them all. I’ve owned several Yamaha products.. and a few Suzuki , and both have been 100% flawless in the reliability department. So I’m going to stick with one of those . Honda has that going for it as well. But the transalp just isn’t my style or have enough off road prowess.

[@Lionheart638]

I'm in that exact same boat right now. Looking to upgrade the DR650. Been leaning towards the Tenere 700 for quite a while but started to look more into other options. Did you end up purchasing one of these bikes?

[@jsiedlecki5331]

Hi, thanks for the review. Both wonderful bikes just slightly different. How lucky we are to have so much choice. Which in your opinion is the better bike for a pillion? Looking at the seats, i would say the suzuki all day long, but good to hear your thoughts, Cheers😊👍

[@onthebackwheel]

Definitely the Suzuki. The seat is fantastic and it's got the extra grunt 👊

[@jasoncee666]

Great comparison 👍 would like to hear your opinion about the new Transalp 🤔

[@hondaslex]

Transalp does not fit in this categorie of bikes.

[@jasoncee666]

@@hondaslex who said it did, I said like read above cobber ^

[@hondaslex]

@@jasoncee666 Sorry my fault, thought you want to hear a comparisation. Ride safe.

[@jasoncee666]

@@hondaslex haha all good..... I'm new here and he seems to have great knowledge and opinions so would be nice to see what he thinks🤔 peace and yeah keep safe out there maaaate 😋

[@onthebackwheel]

G'day mate, it's just lots of time obsessing about bikes and riding them 😆. I'm yet to ride the Transalp. I think it's going to sell like hot cakes and is a good rival to the V-Strom. It is more of a road bike, non adjustable suspension, less suspension travel, not much engine protection. If you spent some money on the suspension I think it may have potential. More HP and less weight too 😈

[@billcotton1551]

It may be the best looking adventure style bike out there now. Looks better than the Tenere , but both are fine machines.

[@mbal4052]

Not in a million years does the Suzuki look better

[@ScottHomeVideos]

Color scheme sucks though

[@silverhill377]

I own a T7 and love it. Stiffer springs and variable rate in the rear spring. Otherwise stock. I'm more of an off-roader but I feel it great on Road. Of course the 800 has my attention. I also have a versus 650 and the Suzuki could replace both of them.

[@onthebackwheel]

Interesting you have both those. Can't beat having dedicated bikes

[@mwitt41]

would be interesting to see how the Tuareg 660 fits in with these having similar off-road capability to the t7 and good tech if not slightly better tech than the Suzuki

[@onthebackwheel]

It's the pick ATM for sure

[@gdelarama4256]

T7 is by far my dream bike. I currently have a small 125cc yamaha dirtbike. I'm not that good of a rider but t7 reflect more of my personality

[@onthebackwheel]

They are good bikes, you'll love it

[@Jam-hj1ht]

Been watching your videos a lot as I am picking up my de tomorrow. Very excited to get some parts on it. Have you found a decent fender delete option though? I found one where you can cut the stock fender and attach a new bracket, but I sorta hate that as a solution. Also looking to get an ECU flash done, it's looking like these bikes can make ~90 hp and 65-70ft/lbs quite easily with a pretty reserved flash and snorkel delete. Also fills in the top end a TON. Excited to ride it both ways, though.

[@onthebackwheel]

Is that the Hessler solution? I had another look at their site recently and they've got like 4 different ones and it's bloody confusing tbh

[@Jam-hj1ht]

@@onthebackwheel That's the one yeah. Last I looked you can buy a pre-cut fender + number plate bracket, or you can buy just the bracket and cut the fender yourself? Was really hoping someone knew of a secret solution that didn't include chopping up the fender. Seems like the aftermarket is just a bit slower to pick up on this bike than the transalp. Also keep us posted with what you do with your exhaust. I like a bit more spice than the stock exhaust gives. Great videos man, really enjoying them.

[@onthebackwheel]

@@Jam-hj1ht thanks mate. I'll have a good look and definitely let people know if I find something. Exhaust wise I'm looking at Staintune ATM

[@rolobotoman]

Can't wait to find a used 2023 v-trom in a couple of years. Looking for Tenere, I only find super tenere at a better prices than the 700 and I don't want a big bike.

[@onthebackwheel]

For sure. Should be a good price too

[@raivisverdins]

Hi mate! Congrats. Not obvious choice, but I supose thats exacly what wou and we need. Cant wait to see this beast after updates :) Im on the Aprilia Tuareg now. I was really happy with the bike in all sorts. I like a bit faster off road riding as well. I droped the bike and it went in to limp mode. Its in the dealer for month now. Waiting for the new throttle body. Imagine. It brake down from avarage drop. Im so pissed and sad, cos I love the bike. Now thinking to change it. Looking on Tiger 900 Rally Pro. I know you tested it, but it was wet and tires was shit. What do you think about it? How it handles off road. I imagine on the black top its neat. Cos I love to do long trips as well. Sorry for the long one 😄

[@onthebackwheel]

All good mate. That is frustrating , hopefully thats the only issue. I liked the Tuareg more, but that Rally Pro is a bloody good bike. Definitely better on the highway

[@jimh2061]

Great info! Im a 60 year old new rider who has a versys x300 for a first bike. Logged about 4k in last 6 months. Looking to upgrade and test rode the T7 and it had great ergonomics and engine felt manageable. I also rode the MT07 and that bike felt too quick and dangerous even though it was same engine. My worry about the Suzuki is the engine size and power. Here in the states we cant test ride bikes unless its at a demo day. Is that ride by wire a quicker response that can get you in trouble?

[@onthebackwheel]

The feeling is perfect on the 800, better than the Tenere

[@Mathew187187]

I watched a video the other day trans alp vs. DE vs. tenerre surprisingly they picked this de last due to the chassis wasn't good off road even with the transalps lacking specs on paper they still picked it

[@onthebackwheel]

The MCN video? I have my doubts with that one, especially looking at their comments, my experiences and what everyone else has been saying

[@1000gib]

It feels like "good sensible choice" like old v-strom. I see it as competitor for Transalp, which is also "sensible tourer". Tenere is not "sensible", it is just cool charismatic and simple bike :-).

[@onthebackwheel]

The Tenere defniitely has that street appeal

[@DCV65]

I think once Safari releases the dual tanks for the Ten, the off road and road feel will change massively dropping the top heavy feel down low. Astectically, the Tenere for me. I think as a touring bike the VStrom would be perfect.

[@psaunder1975]

I was just thinking that. It seems to be a common complaint that it carries the weight too high.

[@jimpartin1144]

The tests that I have seen all commented that the World Raid T7 still feels “tippy,” or top heavy. It is also much wider than the standard T7. It looks to have some improvements to the suspension over the standard T7.

[@alphawolf2993]

I have a dr650 for cruising the bushes, so for a 2nd bike I'm thinking of the 800de. If I had to only have one bike I would probably pick the t7. Now lets see if I can get $16,000 CAD....

[@DB-sd3cw]

Canadian 🤢

[@Y4CK02]

Great vid. Love the vstrom

[@onthebackwheel]

Cheers, really enjoying it so far

[@tonyrichengod9280]

Easy choice: TUAREG 660

[@JavierAranda-gd1si]

The crash bars on the Yamaha are not OEM (made by Yamaha), right? Would you mind telling us the maker/brand? Touratech? SW-Motech?, Hepco & Becker?

[@onthebackwheel]

Hi, the brand is Cross Pro

[@adriantompson]

tenere because of the engine. i test rode the DE for 2 half hours. its not a bad bike they have done a good job. but put both bikes up a steep hill the tenere pulls better on the flat i think the de is faster , in wales uk we have a lot of steep roads and i just like the tenere engine. will see what you do to the de. but i new straight after riding the de the tenere was the bike for me. hope the first thing you change is the exhaust that will make the de way better kooking. have fun.

[@onthebackwheel]

Good you were able to ride both. Sometimes you just know after riding a bike. Mate I'm so keen to get an exhaust. Nothing available yet, might throw an eBay one on to see how it goes

[@diedfrombored5295]

Suzuki is like a street bike with dirt bike suspension, Yamaha is like a dirt bike with the weight and power of a street bike.

[@ksut5917]

Suzuki for me

[@triot2127]

The yellow is growing on me.

[@onthebackwheel]

I dig it

[@ShadowVonChadwick]

Still no tyres ? Did look at the 650 V-Stroms and thought it would make a good travel Bike, did you bother having a gander ? Always though the Tenere were a bit too top-heavy for me.

[@onthebackwheel]

Working on it $$$

[@marcelkusnierz9315]

how do you will adjust the stock suspension (preload and so on...) for dual exploring?

[@onthebackwheel]

I've added preload and lots of compression into V Strom. It still bottoms out and has lost some compliance. Both need money spent on the suspension for me

[@luckybsd]

I was bit sad when I was testing T7 - crappy suspension, lack of power, high rev vibrations. For my 105kg + equip it means changing rear shock or at least spring and same with the front and as T7 is 1k € more expensive it is 2-3k€ more for T7. So looking forward to test vstrom 800 de but reviews look promising

[@onthebackwheel]

At 105kg, I reckon you'll be changing springs on the Zook too

[@jedurix]

im searching opinions about wheelies what is better between these two ?

[@onthebackwheel]

Tenere for sure!

[@jedurix]

@ i believe the same its lighter than vstrom

[@PhillipBear-w1w]

Suzuki aircleaner completely inadequate for dusty conditions. Dust goes pretty much straight through. Aftermarket oiled aircleaner a must

[@onthebackwheel]

It's fine so far. Definitely need to keep the prefilter clean though

[@PhillipBear-w1w]

As soon as precleaner gets dosty it goes straight through paper on the inner filter. When I removed the filter even though it was not very dirty there was dust in the airbox. Not what you want to see on your new bike

[@davidgrunklee8407]

​@user-bi5tz2dp9c seriously? How did it get through the pre-filter and air filter? Are there foam filters available yet?

[@arnohag1]

If I was riding mainly road I would pick the 2023 Tracer 700. Very capable and lighter than the 800DE, with better wind protection. What do others think.

[@JohnSmith-ef8nr]

Had the tracer 7, it sucks off road and the T7 is nicer to ride onroad, the tracer 7 is too small.

[@mono6906]

Nice video , V strom for road and (old) Yamaha 125 DTR with enduro tyres for off road ! ( light is right and much cheaper in case of crash ) 😉

[@onthebackwheel]

Now we are talking

[@RealHooksy]

Ts 185😎

[@onthebackwheel]

@@RealHooksy ts185, weapon!

[@mono6906]

@@RealHooksy 👍

[@donut3110]

Been doing a lot of research about this bike the past couple of days. How long do you think until companies such as B&B, SRC etc start producing offroad parts for it?

[@onthebackwheel]

Just got a msg from SRC yesterday. I've just got to find out the details from them

[@donut3110]

@@onthebackwheel Awesome, appreciate it! I think this bike might be the alternative to the World Raid here in the U.S. but it definitely needs some aftermarket support to make it trail worthy.

[@onthebackwheel]

@@donut3110 for sure, it's pretty vulnerable

[@dcryder9736]

Question: I've not ridden a Suzuki with the "Low RPM Assist System". Does it keep the revs high enough during slow speed maneuvers by itself? Or do you still need to add throttle?

[@onthebackwheel]

Personally I haven't even noticed it! I'll keep an eye on it, certainly not intrusive and you have to modulate the throttle still

[@TheClintmeister]

A very big difference that few people notice. Suzuki is AVAILABLE and the Yamaha you have to wait forever!

[@onthebackwheel]

Haha valid point. Luckily both available in Aus ATM

[@richardhretczak536]

Out of these 2 V Strom for me but cruise control and tubeless tires of Tuareg 660 makes me looking more towards Aprilia.

[@onthebackwheel]

I agree, it's the pick ATM

[@anymouse6202]

Thanks

[@onthebackwheel]

No problem

[@kyjelly5524]

Been looking at the T7 and Africa twin. The Suzuki may be the perfect middle ground. I want to be able to ride 80mph all day in the freeway without issue and be able to hit twistys and fire roads to explore. The 700 seems too small for the highway especially I have luggage. I’m not sure. I’ve had great luck with 4 Suzukis too. I was oookingbag the Africa twin which seems great but may be overwhelming in slow stuff.

[@onthebackwheel]

The 800 is great for that. I'm really enjoying it. The Africa Twin is probably the better bike, but it's also that bit more expensive. I wouldn't buy a T7 when the Tuareg exists

[@kyjelly5524]

@@onthebackwheel I stick to Japanese bikes lol. I’ve heard too many horror stories about everything else. Ktm’s are awesome too but they always have issues.

[@sandralunsford5108]

would like to see 800de and 890 video!

[@onthebackwheel]

I just need to get my hands on an 890

[@TwistTheThrottle2024]

Thanks mate for the comparison. I’m about to hit the green light on a CFMOTO 800MT Explore, apparently the fuelling in them is sorted. How do you think they compare on the road to the VSTROM? A lot of value in them

[@onthebackwheel]

I like the Vstrom more. The 800MT is a good bike though, enjoyed my time with it

[@eliasstergiou3051]

could you please make a comparison with tuareg?

[@motahead7027]

Which is easier to pick up when dropped?

[@onthebackwheel]

Neither! But in all seriousness, maybe the T7

[@motahead7027]

@@onthebackwheel Buggar, I was looking for viable replacement for my Africa Twin, I'll keep looking, I've had to help pick a mates T7 up a few times as I'm not keen on the weight of it either, especially if riding solo.

[@whuddle]

Pick up a Super Tenere by yourself 😂 I thought my knees were going to snap lol

[@onthebackwheel]

@@whuddle you'll give yourself a hernia 😂

[@ddg9584]

Lots of love for the Tuareg in the comments below. I'm curious why people don't seem to mention the KTM 890 as much as the Tuareg. Would have thought the 890 was the king. Anybody know why Tuareg seems to get more love than the 890?

[@onthebackwheel]

Aprilia nailed that sweet spot. A little bit lighter, handles like a dream and the only questionable thing about it is the dealer network. 890 is no joke though, weapon of a bike

[@diedfrombored5295]

Because the 890 is expensive as hell and is known for reliability issues due to all of it's computer based technology, which is why more bare bones bikes like Tenere 700 are so popular.

[@georgeantonellis6794]

Suzuki better all rounda hands down

[@onthebackwheel]

Definitely better on the street

[@erichagen8053]

The T7 is too tall for me with my 29-30" inseam. I can't even touch the ground on it. With the V-strom, I can touch my toes! I have a factory lowered 1250GSA. One thought is to keep the GSA and buy a CRF300l or something similar. My other thought is to sell the GSA and purchase the V-Strom 800DE and have one mcycle.

[@onthebackwheel]

Both good ways to go. You could still go a 300 with the 800, big enough difference still

[@TraveladvRajanSRai]

klr gen one built n atk 605 enduro dual. also bm 800 gs or ktm 950 carb n cheap. t alp 600 also

[@brianm5753]

The "T" in T7 is for "thrash"

[@chrisl3337]

Is the subframe removable on the dr 800

[@onthebackwheel]

Yes, separate sub frame on the 800DE

[@22RoadKing647]

An adventure motorcycle will never be as good off-road as a dual sport. I feel like the T7 is a dual sport dressed up as an adventure bike. It's not good in the highway, but great off-road. The V-Strom feels more like a true adventure bike. It's great on the highway and good off-road. You also get more bang for your buck with the Suzuki, as it has more standard features than the T7. The Suzuki is better off the lot and the T7 needs upgrades to make it as good as the Suzuki. If you want a dual sport bike but a bit more dressed up, go with the T7. However, if you want to do true adventure riding, go with the V-Strom.

[@JohnSmith-ef8nr]

Its impressive that suzuki made the 800DE P Strom weigh more than the Africa twin 1100.

[@onthebackwheel]

She's a big unit!

[@ThrottleJunkie65]

Suzuki hands down!!

[@madke666]

No cruise control on vstrom?

[@onthebackwheel]

No unfortunately

[@BlazinBlades]

I just chose the T7 I would go for the suzuki if like the Touareg it would offer tubeless wheels and cruise control for the current price. I could live with the extra weight. Thanks 🙏

[@onthebackwheel]

No cruise control is bizzare

[@dquin12]

What about for tall riders that are 6'6?

[@onthebackwheel]

Much of a muchness TBH. The Tenere with a taller seat would be pretty spot on though

[@muppdog390]

Shame you still have to compare the original Ten to all the new bikes coming out. Here in Europe the Ten has moved on dramatically with much improved suspension and riding modes on some versions, TFT screens etc. Yes, there are several versions, more road orientated or very much off road orientated. And a dual tank version with much lower CG. Price has gone up, though. The one thing they have not changed is the engine itself. The whole mid weight market was pioneered by Yamaha, and KTM in a way, and since then it has gone the usual way. More power, bigger engines, weights going up, as in the Suzi, more complicated. We are heading the GS way, again. That started as an 800, 160kg. we are now expecting a 1300 and 260kg! We are going to loose the mid size adventure bike class. Shame. A little note on the side here comparing the two engines. A couple of friend in Wales test rode the Suzuki next to the Tenere. They both confirmed how much stronger the Suzuki feels when ridden on the road. But, riding long inclines next to each other in top gear the Suzuki had to be changed down a gear to keep the pace while the Ten was still happily going in top gear. That power delivery might just be a tad perceptive. I still have to test ride it to confirm this, though. There is an awful lot of plastic on that Suzuki. And has a cheap feel to it. In my opinion.

[@onthebackwheel]

In Australia we don't have the updated TFT screens and all that unfortunately. We are getting the World Raid though, one to watch for sure. And yes, weight is an issue. Everyone is waiting for the unicorn that will never happen

[@trevorwright7780]

The T7 gearing is much lower than most. My 890 in 5th matches the T7 in 6th at the same revs. Same tyres. Useless to compare bikes power delivery using simply what gear is selected. FYI. 😊

[@PovilasPanavas]

not sure if that gear comparison says anything about anything. Gearing is different. My guess would be that Suzuki made 6th gear longer for lower cruising revs and more comfort.

[@leighhill9185]

@@onthebackwheel where's the WR400R or WR450R lol C'mon Yamaha!

[@chadkline4268]

​@@PovilasPanavas And more torque in lower gears.

[@arts82]

Yamaha tenere world rally version looks awesome

[@onthebackwheel]

Agree, they are very nice

[@fcalin21]

You should have compared it with Tenere Raid.

[@onthebackwheel]

Much more expensive, not out in Australia and I haven't ridden one unfortunately

[@Wolfox360]

Tuareg 660!

[@onthebackwheel]

Yeah, best of both worlds for sure

[@KyriakosSoul]

This or ktm 790 adventure 2023?

[@onthebackwheel]

I haven't ridden the new 790, but you know this Suzuki will be more reliable

[@RealHooksy]

Yellow, with a dr big sticker kit 😎

[@onthebackwheel]

DR800 BIG

[@aarsenalfan]

I'd choose one with Cruise Control. 🤷😎

[@onthebackwheel]

Tuareg for you then!

[@aarsenalfan]

@@onthebackwheel More thinking KTM, 2 bad new and improved 790 is not coming to US (at least not this year). 🙄

[@podunkman2709]

Which one you should buy? The one that fits your needs. These are COMPLETELY different bikes.

[@onthebackwheel]

You're right, same but different!

[@OrangeGenerator]

Vstrom!

[@spring9603]

Tenere 😍

[@MtbPoland]

Suzuki is like adv, Yamaha is a propper off road.

[@ownyourworld]

Suzuki is still better than Honda transalp off road

[@franklinsaltchuck2455]

If you want a proper off-road bike, save money and get a lighter enduro bike.