Rupert Neve Designs 5057 Summing Mixer Demo

[@sweetwater]

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[@erictorres5935]

@@sweetwater how can I push into it using logic as my daw ? I just switch from pro tools and was able to do so there by creating master fader tracks and assigning each master fader to the orbit . Thanks

[@sweetwater]

​@@erictorres5935 Hey, Eric! Great question and thanks for your interest. You should be able to get a similar setup in Logic using the I/O utility feature on a bus fader. Here’s some info from Apple’s User Guide: support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/use-io-utility-lgcef2d8c7d2/mac I hope this helps! Feel free to reach out if you have any questions. Connor Smith, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, [phone] ext. 1793, [e-mail]

[@MiguelNoyola1]

This is one of the best eras to be doing music! The fact that we have both is incredible.

[@RobertoDeNegro]

The flexibility is to die for.

[@justice6480]

Yes so much gear!!! We are in a golden age of gear from so many manufacturers

[@dannydaniel8975]

I wished we had a lot less digital though..

[@sweettlover123]

I appreciate these videos, but/and think a demo of a product like this would be way more effective (and useful) if 1) we could hear the mix summed ITB first, as a baseline for comparison to the sound of the mix summed through the Neve unit, and 2) if there were hard cuts between the ITB, summing clean, summing pushed, red Silk and Blue silk samples; the talking in between each section really resets the listeners perspective as aural memory is so short & relative. Moreover, I'd prefer a demo that loops just the same 5-10 seconds of program material so that A/B/C comparisons are that much more revealing; while a nice mix with good dynamic range, the samples in this video are long enough to make it even harder to find "apples to apples" moments to compare the sonics. Product-wise, I have a Burl B32 summing mixer in my chain, and love it + use it all the time. Thus, I'm super tempted to grab and 5057 and A/B it against the Burl unit! Sweetwater-if you send me a 5057 unit, I'd be happy to produce that demo video for you!

[@JerMarMusicGroup]

I would love to see this. This does sound good but I agree with you on the part about remembering the descriptions of everything thing Mitch says. Not faulting him at all (We love Mitch! 😅) Needing a more in-depth comparison…yes we do!

[@Gang-25j]

The burl is good for rock music and the effect/ sound is too heavy.. it’s a definite no for most ppl

[@largepoodle6036]

Good news sweetwater! I will accept one of these units as a free gift on your behalf, and I will do nothing but create good music through it in return. It's a friggin steal, electric eel.

[@Zarabozo]

Who is gifting them the unit? (as you are accepting it on their behalf...)

[@troyfranklin6191]

sounds so good on both different flavors

[@Zenvo-uu9tm]

How can one discern the tonality of the box if you don't playback the itb mix!!

[@MMSMUZIK]

SOLD! Buying as soon as it's available!

[@portwill]

I think they are becoming reasonable with the pricing, 2K for this sounds like a deal.

[@sagarchawla8145]

Yes finally

[@pastelfiction9161]

Absolutely agree. Watching this guy closely. Want to see comparisons to the Dangerous stuff before buying.

[@koreanfriedchildren]

Ahhhh I don’t need this but I need this

[@mlrdmn]

What would be coool would be summing stuff in red and some in blue and combining them together in tools, and then sum that stuff again with less texture.

[@ernestbuckley8671]

Love your reviews and knowledge Mitch, just wish you would use different genres to showcase this gear. This piece is fine but add some rock, hip-hop, acoustic driven, etc... thanks!

[@KyleBevis-u7j]

I’m still so confused by these units. I’d love to see a routing diagram. Do you only route audio to it when you’re done with the mix? Or are you going through it the whole time? Do I keep 16 outputs spare just to send them to this, then 2 back to my DAW? Or do I patch everything occasionally over to this? There’s a lot of assumed knowledge when these old boys are talking about gear 😅 I’m trying to follow 😂

[@R.Es1]

You read my mind! Hopefully somebody can provide an answer on here.

[@KyleBevis-u7j]

@@R.Es1 Nobody did, I asked on a bunch of forums and Reddit posts and as you’d expect, people were just snarky dicks. So I worked it out myself. Spoiler alert - it’s not cheap: I’m going to buy an ‘Antelope Orion 32+ Gen 4’ interface. That thing has loads of DB25 multicore cable i/o on the back. So I’ll basically have 2 of the DB25 outputs (8 channels per DB25) on the back of the Antelope going to the ‘Neve 5057 Orbit’. The orbit will do its magic, then I’ll send the stereo output of the Neve back into the Antelope by way of a patch bay (I think, I haven’t looked at the diagram for a couple of weeks). This way, I can just record and mix etc whilst routing all my instruments into groups that get sent to the Neve, then the stereo pair come back and that’s what I set as the source of my studio monitors (in my DAW or in the Antelope routing software). So I get to do every step of the process via the Neve, which I think would be pretty sweet! The rest of the Antelope i/o would be sent to a DB25 patch bay like the ‘Black Lion Audio PBR TT’ which uses funny little ‘bantam’ style patch bays to save space. So I can incorporate my other outboard hardware with those connections. It’s worth noting that the antelope doesn’t have any pre-amps. So you can’t just plug a mic into it. It’s more of a converter, doing the analog to digital conversion. So you’ll need outboard pre-amps, like a ‘Warm Audio WA-412’, although decent cheap ones are available too, like the ‘Behringer ADA8200’. That said, if you’re shopping for Neve summing mixers you’re probably not strapped for cash. Anyway, this was the most flexible / cost effective way I could find to do it. I really wanted to be able to track and mix and master via the Neve and this allowed that. Nothing even came close to the Antelope in terms of capability for a similar price, so it seemed like the obvious choice. Hope that helps!

[@MilestonesMusic1]

@@KyleBevis-u7jvery helpful I’m currently running on the Avid Carbon would it’s outputs be enough

[@Gang-25j]

@@KyleBevis-u7jonly thing bad about that antelope is the buffer size can only go to 512 and not 1024 which is useless for most ppl, 512 and lower is good for tracking, but when mixing with a ton of tracks with plugins you definitely want to be able to go to 1024 if you should need it.

[@Gang-25j]

@@MilestonesMusic1how many outputs does the carbon have?

[@EdThorne]

Is the 5057's silk the other way round to the 542's because my 542 Red is lower frequency harmonics, and Blue is higher... opposite of what Mitch said here..?

[@danymalsound]

Least expensive active summing unit I've ever seen. Still can't afford it, but it's a nice sight to see

[@jermainesmith6315]

I'm in the market for a summing box (not a summing mixer). Now its a battle between burl 32 Vancouver or 2 orbits.

[@RAWQWLTY]

Proud owner of the B32 here! Love it. STILL wanna try this though 😅 Never hurts to have multiple flavors! Or One for drums, one for vocals or music, etc.

[@Gang-25j]

@@RAWQWLTYburl is better on rock type mixes

[@caspermaster-com]

The sound is nice. Bit frustrating its either or red/blue.

[@Alex-dg2mb]

Cool steely dan-esque track

[@MannyXO]

YES!! Getting it soon.

[@savanaviolenta]

Will this be ok if i run my stereo out from my DAW to the 1 and 2 inputs of the Orbit, cause i don't need the other channels.Or Will it be an overkill.I do send my mixes trough RNDI S for transformer saturation,but i think Orbit eill do much better job at it.

[@sweetwater]

Hi, Nikolay - thanks for your interest! While it’s possible to simply run a stereo signal through a summing mixer like the 5057 Orbit, you wouldn’t really be getting the most out of the summing mixer by using it this way. The advantage of using a summing mixer like this one is that it will give you more headroom and analog character when mixing multiple channels in your DAW (up to 16 in the case of the 5057). If you just need a stereo processor, you may be better served by other analog gear such as stereo bus compressors and EQ’s, which will ultimately give you more control over the final sound. I hope this helps a bit - feel free to contact me directly with any further questions, and thanks again! Caleb Lowrey, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, [phone] ext. 1620, [e-mail]

[@joohad]

What do I need to set up this maschine. I have an apollo twin. Please help. A video on how to set up would be awesome. Thank you!

[@Gang-25j]

You definitely won’t be using it with an Apollo twin that’s for sure

[@unclescott8792]

I'm considering this simply because of the retro-porn music. I dig it.

[@legacyShredder1]

My first real job in the music industry was recording guitar parts for porn. I was too young to buy the movies.

[@rodneywiggins7665]

Mitch I'm a big fan watch all your videos I just noticed over the last couple of weeks your brightness in your videos have been kind of low if you can get a little more light thank you very much

[@18JR78]

> *Settings* > [aA] Display and Brightness > 🔅📶🔆 -😶

[@charlesrocks]

Holy shit that sounds amazing

[@brandanleiter]

Would it be possible to send each individual track through it and back into my DAW? That way I have that analog coloration on each track BEFORE I begin mixing with my plugins?

[@sweetwater]

Hi, thanks for your interest! Although it's technically possible to do what you describe, it would honestly kind of defeat the purpose of using a summing mixer. These devices are designed to take multiple channels from your DAW (16 channels in the case of the 5057), and allow you to mix them with increased headroom and more analog character before bringing them back into the DAW as a 2-channel mix. If you just want to process one channel at a time, you might be better off using a 1- or 2-channel processor - something like the Elysia Karacter: www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Karacter--elysia-karakter-class-a-stereo-saturator Hope this helps a bit, and feel free to contact me directly with any further questions! Caleb Lowrey, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, [phone] ext. 1620, [e-mail]

[@vonbleak101]

Man that jazz mix had almost no hi-hats/Overheads lol and you could drop the lead sax by 3db easy - Neve gear is great but you need the mix sorted first guys....(Love your work btw)

[@chatclap]

Are the preamps of the shelford same as the summing mixer? Also is the portico 2 pre same? Or is there any difference?

[@theclaverman]

The summing mixer doesn’t have a preamp. Its just a summing device. The Portico and shelford are not the same, so that means they are different….

[@KurtDPalmer]

Want this!!!

[@apollolane3665]

How would you use the Orbit with something like an Apollo Twin mk2?

[@flipnap2112]

you need a converter that can output 16 discrete channels from the DAW

[@CIG-xq5ut]

Did you ever found a workaround for this? I think the only way is to upgrade from the twin to a x6 or c8

[@eladreltuc]

I have a Shelford Channel. Am I better off buying this or another Shelford to do the same through the 2 shelfords??

[@kevinbatchelor9566]

You can't sum 16 outputs with 2 Shelfords. But you can do cool things that this can't, like, EQ and compress. And another Shelford costs like nearly 2 of these...tough decisions really.

[@DreTheEngineer]

depends. Summing is about headroom, space, and external gear. Shelfs cover the headroom (kinda) and external gear, not the space, depth, and separation. Protools summing is good until you hear analog then its like wth bottleneck tools

[@mattg1094]

I’d buy one more shelford... get the 5065 summing mixer... and route it all to come back through shelford for mix down

[@experiment0003]

@@kevinbatchelor9566 Says who? All you need is a bunch of resistors.

[@LocaliLLocano]

Depends on what your want. Shelford channel has the induction EQs, diode bridge compressor, silk. If you had two Shelford channels you can run your stems through them and fine tune them with light compression or EQ. If you want a set it and forget it Neve box that will give you a 5088 sound for 16 tracks then this is a no Rainer . Do you prefer to tweak your recordings or do you just want the weighty Neve sound without thinking about it?

[@mattg1094]

Good job 👏 this is a sweet wish list item! Besides “that” sound, what else does this Orbit do for work flow/production?

[@mattg1094]

Cant we do this with two shelford channels?

[@entity9588]

@@mattg1094 Dude its a summing mixer. It's not even remotely the same as running through preamps and back into your DAW. Digital sum and analog summing have a different sound. Analog has more punch, separation, clarity, depth, etc.

[@savanaviolenta]

​@@mattg1094this is definitely cheaper than two Shelford channels

[@neilvg1551]

so this is like a 5059 without knobs and two separate outputs? Or are the transformers different than the 5059?

[@sweetwater]

Hi, Neil. Great question. You understand it correctly. You get the same RND transformers as the 5059 and a -6dB out to accommodate converters that do not have the headroom to handle the hotter output. This unit eliminates the individual channels levels - with the thought process being easier recall for DAW based workflows. Thanks for the interest! Cody Kraus, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, [phone] ext. 1766, [e-mail]

[@MellowXBrew]

pretty sweet

[@Studioinsession]

Cool Mon 👍😎

[@petristorres8647]

Yo what mic preamp on that lapel?

[@djdrewpyroproduction]

nice!

[@बेनाम-ब6ड]

nyc content 👍

[@SlimCreep]

yeeeeeesssssssssss!!!!!

[@gazfunk]

db25 cable? what do I do with one of them? lol

[@orlandoberrios7155]

The blue sounds so nice 😊 $2000 too. Stimy where u at I want this!?

[@Temumusic]

Stimmmyyyyy😩

[@orlandoberrios7155]

@@Temumusic 😂

[@MLElf]

I want this ,

[@hakangurdol]

❤️

[@PlatinumMastering]

It’s not the same sound as 5059? No ?

[@mixedbymikael]

“1 name sure to be mentioned...” looks at the SSL like.. you lied to me 😂

[@graxjpg]

Sound staging with stereo imaging is something that I fear the large majority of music listeners either do not know about or do not care about. mono smart speakers and sound bars being the new norm, the main one really benefiting from a product like this is the guy who can afford it lol. The high it’ll give him from owning it in some cases will unfortunately outweigh the pleasure that the music he’ll record will give others because they are using a google speaker.

[@eladreltuc]

Who cares about the consumers. I have killer gear in my studio and I love to just get lost in the sounds. If others cant hear it who cares.

[@graxjpg]

@@eladreltuc in my case, half of what my kind of art is about is how it is perceived by the mind. Not that what a person thinks about it is important to me personally, but specifically the way that a mind would actually happen to perceive my music is something I care about a lot. I’m trying to make music that is as pleasing to the mind as possible, so focusing on what the mind finds pleasing is important. So it’s not a “consumer” that I care about, rather a perceiver I guess.

[@JUWOLS]

I hear you, that's a goooddd point and the downside to today's music. That's why Referencing a mix in Mono or using a Mono speaker in your set up for reference is super important these days. The goal is to get your mix sounding dope on Both so it translates to either.

[@supadave422]

pure facts

[@graxjpg]

@@JUWOLS yes! A mono referencing system is important. I used to use a speaker from a transistor radio, now I use a more modern radio haha.

[@dantepalomba7356]

Why sum 16 channels? Why wouldnt you just send the stereo mix through it?

[@calebovich]

Control over stems (drums, synths, backing vocals, horns, etc.)

[@anglese]

Oh come on man. No ITB comparison????

[@ytb917]

the 1970s in a one-rackspace box

[@michaelgutter2004]

You got to switch it up with some different music.

[@coyoteserranoband]

Gosh.. might have to sell my car now..

[@MC-kp1hw]

Demo?...

[@DoitYHWH]

I'll just stick with Waves NLS...

[@maba5219]

:( time to sell my speck

[@wesleyleigh4063]

Friendly reminder that this metal box with wires in it cost $2000 USD and Andrew Scheps also mixes entirely in the box.

[@TheRealCowlick]

Lol, relax. This doesn't mean there is no place for gear like this. Scheps mixes in the box because the way he likes to mix nowadays would be too complicated and uncecessary with a console.

[@18JR78]

Just bought a metal box with wires for a great deal but my problem is that it doesn’t do anything other than take space in my home.

[@starboy2013]

True.

[@natlove219]

“Friendly reminder”... Andrew Scheps and co.’s best sounding mixes are behind them.. ITB helps them make more money for less hassle and they can pull it off because they have a “name” and 99% receive productions that have been very well recorded. It’s a big lie that digital processing sounds better.. it might be acceptable but it ain’t the best technology that’s been made for music by any stretch of the imagination.

[@ALLMIGHTSTUDIO]

Yeah but next the song will be finalized in a Mastering Studio with a 12.000 $ converter and expensive analog gear. 👀

[@erictripton]

You have to be rich to own this gear, is the downside.

[@wedontknowtruth9718]

Not really you just need good credit

[@organixhiphop2809]

​@@wedontknowtruth9718 facts, spots are always running promo's too, this right now on sweetwater, 36 months no interest so you can make it work if your credit on point

[@Nobox-eg7qu]

Unnecessary waste of $$$... buy a nice guitar instead.

[@starluxstudio619]

It’s really hard summing through a guitar though. Cool as an effect, but not as effective for a final mix.