Switching To Electric Car: Is It Worth It? | Talking Point | Electric Vehicles Pt 1/2

In less than 20 years from now, Singapore may no longer have any petrol or diesel driven vehicles on its roads. That’s because the Singapore government has set a goal to phase out internal combustion engine vehicles by 2040! What does that mean for drivers in Singapore? Host Steven Chia finds out how an electric car compares to a petrol one, in terms of performance, cost and range.
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[@habitatsk8boarder]

Get ready for fights and disputes in hdb charging station. Sure got one😂😂

[@kyshac81]

Thought the same exact thing.

[@89five3five]

When cars were first introduced, there weren’t any gas stations or even mechanics to fix them. All the things that support gas cars came afterwards. Today you have no problem finding support for gas vehicles… the same will happen for EVs.

[@striesDIY]

Another good solution is to install DC Fast Charging stations so that the time to charge an ev will be more reasonable

[@kntj]

I find that comparing emission levels to evaluate the green impact of the 2 types of vehicles is too simplistic. We need to go into understanding the environmental impact of battery producing industries, disposal of batteries when their lifespan runs out as well as the production of the raw materials required to produce batteries or related parts unique to the electric car.

[@anydaynow01]

Yep the transport of the raw materials to the battery factories and then from those factories to the car factories, burning all that bunker fuel and diesel would be interesting if it was acknowledged.

[@justinzy5]

Now is so hard to find carparks space in peak hours. In the future we need to find carparks space with charging point. I can’t imagine that.

[@Jake-rs9nq]

That won't be necessary if you charge at home and drive less than 100 miles to work.

[@davidm5853]

In California a lot of parking spaces and parking structures have spaces with electric plug ins already

[@richardcogbill6791]

People couldn't imagine Starbucks Coffee everywhere when it first gained popularity. Putting up a charging station is a lot easier than a coffee shop or a typical gas station. Tesla is putting up another 10,000 charging stations this year in Europe, Canada and the U.S. Going 250-350 miles on a single charge is pretty much here already on Tesla vehicles. We will probably see gas stations and convenience stores adding EV charging stations to attract those customers.

[@torrhthc4103]

@@davidm5853 thats california dude… we are talking about singapore

[@need6723]

The only way to convert car owners to go electric is not price but readily available power source to charge the vehicle. Look at the HDB carparks, there is currently no power charging point.

[@marvinwidyanata2412]

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[@marvinwidyanata2412]

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[@petercotegolf]

Correct. The infrastructure for charging vehicles needs to be everywhere you park your car. Shopping centers literally everywhere. Also everyone who owns an electric car must have a charger at home. I own an electric car. It’s the best thing I ever bought. The savings on fuel is insane. No servicing either. No oil changes or filters, belts timing you name it. Drives super fast with no noise it’s weird when you first start it and get going so quiet you hear the brakes and hydraulics. It will take off but only when road trips are easy. Right now they are not.

[@vincentmiscvideos3871]

@@petercotegolf This docu report is very well done. I find it informative. There is one thing that is still left out. How long will the batteries last? When will they need to be replaced, and how much damage would it be for the wallet of the owner? It is one thing to say that running costs is low because there is NO ENGINE. But another, when you have to pay through your nose to replace the batteries.

[@petercotegolf]

@@vincentmiscvideos3871 yes absolutely. I’ll find out at some point. But the other bonus is the engines last for up to 20 years without servicing. So I’m sure as batteries get better and cheaper it’s still an absolute no brainer. No fumes in the garage, no oils, no noise the list is endless on benefits. For me what I like the most is the power. Crazy acceleration and torque it’s nuts. So much fun to drive.

[@bummers]

The last test on emission is really archaic, incongruent and rubbish. If we consider emission from electric production and not just electric consumption, then we should also consider emission from petrol production on top of petrol consumption.

[@striesDIY]

At the start, during manufacturing of EV, is not environmentally friendly because of the Lithium ion battery. But since no tailpipe emissions, the EV carbon emissions will be much lower over the course of the lifetime of the electric car

[@nalanat]

I'm quite convinced. But charging time needs to be further refined. Govt and businesses have to further work tgt to look for ways to reduce long term cost in order to incentivise people to make a switch. Safety is also one factor for consideration.

[@COASTER1921]

Charging really isn't such a big issue. Remember that most charging happens at home, during the night when time isn't a huge concern. Unless you're driving more than your entire range every day it's just not an issue outside of the occasional long distance road trip.

[@ShirtPapa]

Not forgetting the benefits of having Tesla’s vehicles. So many missing information and the video painted such negative image of EV.

[@richkar1127]

@@COASTER1921 if you buy the at home charger with the higher output sure that makes sense but anyone without that charger at home.. it's pretty worthless to try to charge off of 120v.

[@lillypichu4566]

@@richkar1127 It'll be fine because you don't need it to be full, you can continue charging your EV while you're working

[@toby9999]

@@lillypichu4566 There'll be a plethora of situations where charging is impossible. Every office I've worked in has a shortage of parking with zero opportunity for charging EVs. Many people live in apartments or rent and/or don't have off street parking. The most likely scenario is everyone arrives home from shopping or work and plugs in there chargers in the evening, overloading the electricity network. We already incur blackouts in summer. There is simply not enough capacity for electric vehicles and that'll get worse as coal generators are progressively shut down.

[@raphaelmeillat8527]

Singapore is made for EV. Tiny country means limited daily mileage, mostly urban type of driving, low top-speed. Can't really go wrong!

[@ShirtPapa]

TOTALLY AGREE!! Yet we are progressing so slowly in the EV aspect. Guess charging is always the issue. If only we have Tesla’s fast charging… 187 miles charge in 15 min. Problem solved!

[@ztsu8542]

Not really. Unless Malaysia can put in place the charging infrastructure, don't think it's worthwhile to buy a bloody expensive ev that cannot drive to Malaysia (or even Thailand) for a weekend getaway due to a lack of ev chargers.

[@ShirtPapa]

@@ztsu8542 that’s something out of our control. But I won’t risk driving my Tesla to Malaysia to be honest. Not being offensive here, just don’t want anything happen to it (run out of range etc)

[@ztsu8542]

@@ShirtPapa Precisely! Why switch to ev if you have to give up the option to drive to Malaysia or even Thailand?

[@someoneonly]

Except that Singapore generates most of its energy by natural gas which is unrenewable and the changing of power from AC to DC inherently introduces losses, more than recent petrol engines which have been developed to be efficient over the many years. I will agree that there are many benefits such as noise and city pollution but EVs without significant renewable power production is just greenwashing. Not to mention the 10 year COE and the environmental impacts from lithium rare earth mining

[@TomDang]

Wait, if you count the production of electricity on the EV, shouldn't you take into account the production of petrol into account for the ICE car?

[@ravitoday]

This comment should be highlighted. Using fossil at power plants is more efficient than burning petrol in cars.

[@truenorth5072]

@@ravitoday untrue

[@lillypichu4566]

@@truenorth5072 it's true

[@truenorth5072]

@@lillypichu4566 power station needs to have a buffer, to avoid power outage during sudden spike (unpredictable). Meaning a good portion ~20% electricity produced , is wasted constantly.

[@lillypichu4566]

@@truenorth5072 With the EV, 20% of that energy can be used to charge an EV. After all it has nothing to do with the pollution that EVs produce. Pollution of the manufacture of gasoline through the process of pumping to refining produces more pollution than lithium mining to the stage of making EVs, even combined with a coal/gas power plan (with the kwh ratio used by EVs) This has even been studied by a university in UK

[@celestialstar124]

I hope the battery won't catch fire or explode like some videos i saw on KZbin because Singapore is tiny so we park our EV near each other.

[@truenorth5072]

Well, they banned firecrackers in SG. Now with EV we will catch the show again I am sure... just need one idiotic car manufacturer...

[@robertosaldana3645]

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[@paulmanners1364]

A couple of years ago i did the math Im a commercial traveller and drive all over the eu Typically 1000 km out and 1000 back sometimes double In the end i bought a 3 yr old ford focus diesel for 12000 eur 45 liter for 1300 km and almost no parts cost I could never do that with a ev

[@rsiow2]

If Malaysia's infrastructure is also reliable, yeah, I don't see why not. Don't want to be confined to SG alone 😂

[@CheahMichael]

If SG go all in electric car by 2040, and Malaysia still lack behind EV, I can see the car rental service at the JB-SG border to boom

[@RoodeMenon]

@@CheahMichael & Malaysians love Petrol.

[@britishmalayasociety]

@Hoy Sum It's actually not. There are still energy losses when tankers transport the fuel to your local station, on top of still being environmentally unfriendly. Even if your energy is fossils based, EV's are still cleaner. Knobloch, F., Hanssen, S. V., Lam, A., Pollitt, H., Salas, P., Chewpreecha, U., ... & Mercure, J. F. (2020). Net emission reductions from electric cars and heat pumps in 59 world regions over time. Nature sustainability, 3(6), 437-447.

[@daren91]

I think several points could have been explored further: 1) Carbon footprint of producing EVs and the batteries; 2) Future cost of electricity as the vehicle population fully shift to EVs - I would imagine the demand of electricity increasing drastically, and it's hard to say now if the supply will match the increased demand then to ensure prices remain similar to what it is now. Just think about the time when ppl started converting their cars to use ethanol along with petrol - the price of ethanol and corn/maize increased and the original cost savings were eventually eliminated. EVs are definitely the future, but consumers should be more aware/educated on carbon footprint (ongoing usage + pre-purchase) and usage costs (current vs future). Particular on the former, there's definitely less pollutants when driving EVs, but it's really easy for all of us to [conveniently] forget that EVs might not be that green to manufacture - especially the current mining of lithium and other minerals for the batteries, etc - since it's not directly due to our personal usage..

[@xsyden]

basically jst promoting consumerism.. Keeping the Economy continuously rolling huh...

[@solapowsj25]

Yup, still the same. Promoting consumerism by draining taxpayers' money.

[@britishmalayasociety]

1. This has been addressed by University and government studies already. ROI on emissions from producing an EV is offset after 2 years of ownership according to the Norwegian University of Science and Technology. Less if your national grid has renewables. 2. I doubt the rise in costs of electricity will match the rise of costs of petrol and diesel. Even so, you can mitigate this with solutions such as solar. As of now, I get a discount for off-peak charging, which power companies are encouraged to do to balance out power demands.

[@theyjustwantyourmoney4539]

For some of us who buy cheap used cars, we can't switch because those electric cars are so expensive even when used the prices are ridiculous.

[@Mrbfgray]

It depends a lot on how many miles you drive per yr., total cost of ownership is already lower for high use cases but in a few yrs BEVs will be the poor man's choice too as the used market will have ample supply of BEV econoboxes. The only exceptions will be for those who only drive, say 2k miles/yr.

[@robertsmart5600]

The times they are a-changin? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXe2e3eJnZado6c

[@brendykes6599]

You need to look at the used market. Used Bolts & Leafs are cheap in the US.

[@wojtylamariusz]

@@brendykes6599 yes, you are right because nothing will save your money better that battery replacement in a used ev.

[@brendykes6599]

@@wojtylamariusz buy under warranty. Or get the Bolt battery replacement that gives more range and another 100k miles/8 years warranty. Bolt battery degradation seems even less than that of Tesla, so I’ll prob be good for 300k more miles. Oh, did I mention the car will pay for itself in under 3 years? So thanks, I’m good.

[@oscare.quiros6349]

But in countries where the electricity is produced by renewable sources, like hydro or wind, there is no pollution equivalent. This is the case, here in Costa Rica where 99% of the grid energy is renewable. Driving electríc make total sense.

[@kemalasaridina1898]

sadly most part of the world still use coals to produce electricity

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Even if the grid is still rather carbon heavy, driving electric still makes perfect sense.

[@AlphGen]

Very narrow view though, cost to the world to mine the resources, cost to recycle the batteries isn't just wind power to charge it

[@Simon-dm8zv]

@@AlphGen Still much better in the long run.

[@AlphGen]

@@Simon-dm8zv if you live in Singapore sure, it is small enough one charge can get you around the island. Live in Australia and you are confined to the coast areas of population which reduces where they can go right now

[@jasper5097]

Main issue is charging. Homes in Singapore are so expensive and condo/hdb charging is not very viable yet. Government needs to quickly extend charging networks to accelerate adoption.

[@Clement8617]

I can imagine ppl fighting over charging points.

[@ShirtPapa]

That won’t happen if it’s Tesla super charger of 187 miles (300km) within 15 min charge. Wonder why don’t they mention mileage of 400++Km for Tesla’s vehicles.

[@hannah5245]

At the end of my 10 yr COE for EV , is the parf attractive? Same as with hybrids?

[@ShirtPapa]

@@hannah5245 value is $0. Go check it out. Also, a standard model 3 cost Usd34000. Convert to SGD45200. But dealers are selling at x2 /X3 the price. Who will want to convert?

[@weixiongchng7629]

i don't see ppl fighting over refill petrol at the gas station while waiting for their turn. why would people fight over charging point?

[@drangerstanger]

@@weixiongchng7629 There are still massive differences in the speed of refueling vs the speed of charging for one, refueling is still significantly faster even if the car in front of you has a massive fuel tank. Also, constantly fast charging the battery comes at the cost of battery life if I'm not mistaken.

[@tomasang]

Would like to see the cost to replace the battery, most electric/hybrid vehicles only has an 8 year warranty on the battery. Plus how does the car dealership plan to recycle the battery. And what about the local fire department, can they handle battery related fires?

[@CryptoBotMyanmar]

With proper battery management system , battery will last more than 90% after ten years . EVs are almost maintenance free. The only things you need to replace is Tyres and Washer Fluid.

[@ekachaisitkrongwong6405]

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[@ekachaisitkrongwong6405]

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[@anonymousaccount3414]

Is ok bro COE only 10 years anyway...

[@dew3163]

@@CryptoBotMyanmar Actually that isn't really true. Cars like tesla has a coolant to maintain. And batteries in sg climate doesn't last that long, as seen by hybrid cars owners running around sg for more than a decade. They start declining when they reached 3 yrs old till about 5th~6th year of ownership and agents will usually would not want to have anything to do with it till the battery is nearly fully dead, basing on hybrid car owner's accounts.

[@h10900]

You guys are talking like electricity in Singapore are 100% clean energy, we are just shifting from car exhaust to chimney exhaust.

[@moseschew8903]

Precisely and it is not as if the production of lithium ion batteries required for all EVs are clean and green.

[@ohongho]

Even if you don't have car, you still making pollution by using the electricity in your home

[@ryantan9332]

Even in Singapore with natural gas power station it’s more efficient and better for the environment than conventional cars. Plus the health benefits of having tailpipe emissions shifted away from city centre in close proximity to the population.

[@Jwhatsup5]

It's about the efficiency, you do know that most of the fuel running a vehicle gets wasted as heat energy, not to mention the various Nitrogen oxides and Pm10 produced. Burning natural gas only produces CO2, do you need me to feed you on which is the better option in terms of reducing as much exhaust as possible?

[@moseschew8903]

​@@Jwhatsup5 And the materials used to produce solar panels are absolutely clean and don't harm the environment at all? Talk about emissions from cars and ignore the rest of the pollution from green tech. Wow so much 'care' for the environment yeah, and I guess just like Greta, you have a real vision of a future in delusion.

[@vincentmiscvideos3871]

This docu report is very well done. I find it informative. There is one thing that is still left out. How long will the batteries last? When will they need to be replaced, and how much damage would it be for the wallet of the owner? It is one thing to say that running costs is low because there is NO ENGINE. But another, when you have to pay through your nose to replace the batteries.

[@NazriB]

Lies again? El Tornado

[@anydaynow01]

The early cars without temperature conditioning for the batteries and untuned charge curves had poor battery life. The new batteries and charging tech have lives of >90% capacity after 200k km of driving, battery life is no longer an issue since they last the life of a typical ICE car before it is junk. Then there are companies which are recycling those batteries or using them for grid storage systems as a second life.

[@jacksparrow460]

For sure, electricity prices in the future will be through the roof because of the demand. Lmaooo.

[@brandonchan4537]

or decrease when companies make them . common sense la, if people want to buy,people want to sell. Mass production will bring the cost down.Sure one

[@richkar1127]

@@brandonchan4537 The electricity price will not go down. The cost of building the car will some, but not much. There's a floor for the cost of a new vehicle. They will never be "cheap."

[@brandonchan4537]

Sorry ,I have missread . Soo my argument has just went out the window .Sorry ya 😅.

[@lillypichu4566]

You can make it stable by building reunable energy After all, the oil companies also need electricity to pump the oil out, so it doesn't mean anything

[@Brian-om2hh]

The overall demand won't be drastically different when we are all driving EV's, because we won't be needing oil, gas or diesel, so there won't be any need to refine it in huge quantities anymore. Refining uses huge amounts of electricity. Plus we won't be using gas station pumps either, so more electricity saved there.

[@ntrogaming9933]

Why not replace roofing and hood with solar panels? Oil companies won't approve?

[@badboi888]

don't think the current panel efficiency is sufficient to power up a car

[@peepinR]

@@badboi888 let’s hope a solution to that is invented soon

[@ntrogaming9933]

At least get some juice out of the sun. I hope so too that technology to harness enough free energy will come soon.

[@jamesyue1348]

The question is not whether one will go electric or not, the real question is can you afford a car in Singapore or not ?

[@edenassos]

Stop working at mcdonalds and you will be able to afford a decent car.

[@Jwhatsup5]

@@edenassos I guess you are not from SIngapore and have no idea of the tariffs and taxes imposed on cars here. For context, you can get Three Tesla Model 3 for the price of a Camry in Singapore.

[@edenassos]

@@Jwhatsup5 I have a Singapore passport among others, so your assumption is wrong. So how are the Singaporeans who own cars affording them? Do they spawn them out of thin air? 🤔 There are about 700000 private cars in Singapore according to LTA's data. How are they affording it? 🤔

[@northpointcity-]

and that's why we have ✨public transport✨

[@canyonatoz]

How about the upstream environmental impact, i.e. at the manufacture of lithium ion batteries stage, and also the disposal of wasted lithium batteries? Interestingly there has been very few in depth examination on how carbon neutral these processes are, many shows are just looking at emission of EVs when driven. That would not be a full picture in assessing how carbon neutral EVs actually are. Can CNA Insider look into this to provide viewers a more comprehensive assessment/education?

[@MrVHI123]

Take a look at here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIPLpZyGmsuJsK8 In the US, on average it takes 3-4 years to completely break even compared to Toyota Camry. Anything past that is net negative carbon emission. Considering EVs can last ~10 years, I'd say it is the smarter choice.

[@moseschew8903]

It's very evident that the green movement's actual goals is not reduce carbon emissions.

[@moseschew8903]

@Jimmy Edward And the outcome of refining oil results in literally every function of human civilization, so if you want to cast all of humanity back to the stone ages then sure your argument will hold weight.

[@moseschew8903]

@Jimmy Edward Ive never said that battery and lithium ion tech is useless, yes they are net positives but your argument is stupid. Just because refining oil produces pollution then all pollution from lithium ion battery production is ignored? It is like saying lets prevent forest fires by cutting down all trees. Yes you stop forest fires but you kill all the biodiversity in the forest. This is your stupid argument.

[@britishmalayasociety]

@@moseschew8903 EV's are about mitigation of fossil fuels and oil mining and extraction. Not about completely removing them entirely from society. Nobody is saying this. This is an intellectually dishonest and fallacious statement to make.

[@user-db4zh5rp6v]

normal vehicles burn fuel on the spot, EV burn fuel for the made of batteries...plus EV battery use rare minerals to made....

[@tomasvrabec1845]

But the overall lifetime emissions... EVs do produce less emissions and environmental damage than combustion cars regardless. The optimisation in technology resulted in less co2 produced during manufacture and higher energy efficiency and running emissions. They're even is evidence that EV produce overall less emissions even if their Electricity is purely from Fossil Fuels. Although that is unlikely as not many countries generate 100% from fossil fuels. At least for many European Nations a lot comes from nuclear, wind and even hydropower. energypost.eu/latest-data-shows-lifetime-emissions-of-evs-lower-than-petrol-diesel/ Or some academic reports: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.oliver-krischer.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/English_Studie.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwinkPaVoJfxAhUKmhQKHRNXCkUQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw0akAgM4czVqmjVkqzh0WLe www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/EV-life-cycle-GHG_ICCT-Briefing_09022018_vF.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwinkPaVoJfxAhUKmhQKHRNXCkUQFjABegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw1Lcr9hNTDpuSgIDf37897b

[@ShirtPapa]

Everything has it’s good and bad. We compare which is a better alternative here…

[@yuwaraaj1564]

It depends on your countries way of producing electricity.if its mostly from fossil fuel its not that much different than using a regular na car.

[@leow5632]

At least the roads will be a lot quieter

[@yuwaraaj1564]

@@leow5632 why would u want roads to be quite.i mean you would want some feed back to alert you.

[@kancheongspidergaming]

If you really want to go full environmentalist, don't forget that manufacturing one EV also creates emissions. Especially the batteries themselves. However, most, if not all, still can offset petrol equivalents and be net carbon.

[@thebigdoghimself]

We bought a brand new 2019 chevy volt two years ago. My wife drives it and loves it. We wanted a Tesla but the model Y was not available yet and the model 3 has a trunk and we really needed a hatchback. We love our volt, saves us a ton of money 9 months out of the year. The volt does have 1 shortcoming and that is that its batteries are not thermally managed and doesn't like it when it's below freezing. That for us means it starts up in gasoline mode here in the Chicago winter. We still want a Tesla and if you are considering one I'd definitely recommend an electric car. Once you get used to charging at home you'll never go back. Just understand that a level 2 charger (fast charger) is going to cost you $500 and having an electrician run you a 50 amp circuit another $500 to $700. Make sure your house can handle a 30, 40 or 50 amp circuit, we are lucky to have 400 amp service, many homes in our city only have 100 amp service.

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Cheap fuel

[@ianhe8435]

Your car can go around 100km in half a tank. So for full tank mileage is 200km. I’m quite sure that is not the average mileage for modern cars now. Even my forester can reach 500mileage full tank.

[@truenorth5072]

You are right, he is not comparing Apple to Apple. But then again for his case, he is driving an almost 20 years large enshrine Mercedes... I believe for his car he is honest. But he has to slant it somehow right? Has to push the narrative of the government. And that is increasing EV adoption.

[@sidecarcn]

Would love to see one of these cars cross the border into Malaysia and do a road trip and see how it performs.

[@koya1019]

Ikr how to go :(

[@edsaminathan]

Nothing beats the vintage Merc though..

[@ethanf.6848]

I like the part about 8-9 hour charge.

[@eddyg4742]

what hasnt been considered in this program is the depreciation value. As the batteries age and lose capacity, how much would the car depreciate in value vs petrol engined car? how much inconvenience would it cause? how fast do they lose capacity?

[@seananlinjunxi868]

Considering that the majority of cars in sg have their coe expire in 10 years, depreciation would be similar as you are legally not allowed to drive a car after it reaches 10 years old. Batteries may degrade over time but 10 years will still be too short to experience the effects of battery degradation.

[@deeharper1364]

@@seananlinjunxi868 EV costs a minimum of $140k under the new CAT A and this does not include the COE which will bring the cheapest EV to the cost of more than $210K for the latest CAT A result. In singapore you are actually still legally allowed to drive a car for more than 10 years provided your car passes inspection and you renew your coe which will bring the cost of the car to a whole new level.

[@MrDrone-qt6sw]

it will depreciate a lot

[@badboi888]

I like how the head of department wore the operator uniform just for the show lol

[@spyketan72]

1. Faster charging higher amp, battery fire 🔥 2. Insurance to amend policy to cover battery failure replacement, premium goes sky high. 3. High current chargers island wide, more fire hazards. Fire Fighters salaries must be raised.

[@northpointcity-]

bestie as if governments haven't put in any safety standards to stop this from happening

[@Brian-om2hh]

So gas powered cars never catch fire then?

[@britishmalayasociety]

Insurance for my Tesla Model 3 is something like $50 more compared to an equivalent 3-Series. But it's worth it because I get far more coverage than the BMW.

[@79chgoh]

Singapore can define EV history by defining the infrastructure for city . I.e. Reverse charging back to grid in time demand, during the day when the car is idle, it is giant power Bank for green energy, and in the evening, the power can be return back to the grid. Most driver only use 30 to 40 km, and cars has only 10 year life, EV are the naturally suitable as a mobile battery

[@truenorth5072]

Not practical, lithium has a finite recharging lifespan. Constant charge and discharge wears out your battery and greatly reduce your car’s scrap value... for that little savings your get from selling electricity back to the grid. Also cost to setting up such grid is a huge investment for the government. Not to mention installation of meters at every charging point to calculate where and who to send the rebate to.

[@kukuJack]

Not sure if we have the infrastructure/ capability to install 500charging points every mth until 2030

[@lillypichu4566]

This is Singapore, an EV with a range of 250 miles is enough to get around this country. You only need to charge it at home or when you work

[@kukuJack]

@@lillypichu4566 yeap. But by 2030 will it be ready? the infrastructures at your carpark etc. That's what I'm saying. Haha

[@TomDang]

Are things different in Singapore such that you can not charge your vehicle at home each night? In the US, most EV owners charge this way, therefore never wait to charge on a daily basis.

[@celestialstar124]

Most people in Singapore stay in apartments blocks so they can't charge their EV at home. If HDB carpark offer charging... I am worried that neighbors will start to fight for charging ports

[@grant-music]

Implementation of the infrastructure will have to be adapted to fit different cities. In Singapore, most stay in high-rise flats or condominiums, i.e. we don't have the luxury of a private garage to charge overnight. Plus, having 1 charger per car/parking lot in our shared parking spaces simply isn't practical in terms of the amount of stress on the limited power grid. One pending issue that LTA & the relevant authorities (property developers, HDB, town councils) will need to work out is how to "schedule" charging of vehicles in a space where the ratio of chargers to cars is less than 1, perhaps even less than 0.5. I suspect this will require some sort of "reservation system" whereby drivers will need to reserve evenings on which they will have access to parking lots with chargers, so that they can slow-charge their vehicles overnight. Faster chargers (or "opportunity chargers" as mentioned in the video) will likely supplement this practice for those who need a faster, albeit more expensive, charge. Another option that is way more complicated is V2I, vehicle-to-infrastructure. This means that the power grid is now "smart" and is able to communicate with all electric cars (receive information on how much charge it has left). The grid will then decide which cars should be charged ASAP, and which cars can afford to be charged at a later time in the week. Essentially, the grid becomes a resource manager as well. I think the former option is very much more likely. The latter is mostly conceptual and requires a somewhat unrealistic level of collaboration between car manufacturers and electricity companies. Plus, it takes away autonomy from drivers, which may be problematic anyway. In any case, I do think that the concept of privately owning a vehicle may become a myth in a few decade's time. If our transport system is truly moving towards a V2I framework, then in the near future we wouldn't own cars. We'll simply either be taking shared cars (think large-scale BlueSG) or leasing a car from long-term use. Exciting times! Alright. Thanks for listening to my TED talk :)

[@truenorth5072]

Well crafted and with good insight. Prefer yours to those brainless fan boy comments...

[@z3phr0n]

you forgot to add..most EV's are freaking expensive...the average household cant afford an EV

[@kemalasaridina1898]

chinese evs are extremely cheap actually

[@richkar1127]

@@kemalasaridina1898 so in china where they are cheap does the average person have enough money to buy an ev? No, no they don't the average income there is very very low. The average income in china is about 5k USD per year. You also can't build a car in the US and sell it as cheap as the Chinese cars can be built. There are a few more stipulations if you want that thing on a US road.

[@kentershackle1329]

@@richkar1127 If you are looking at those TESLA etc, of course they are expensive!!. But CHINA has embraced EV to another level . The concept of EV there is very different frm.western values. Everything is EV frm humble trishaw - scooter- mini car- buses. Thier EV tech starts frm bottom up.. whereas in the west its marketed as elites. (Kinda dumb, but CAPITALISM at best😂)

[@richkar1127]

​@@kentershackle1329 One country that has 40 people to one vehicle and another country that has 1.2 people per vehicle. Which country do you think the cheaper vehicles are from? (Socialism at its best) Seems like China hasn't even embraced vehicles yet. Everything is electric? Give me a break just because one city in China has them does not mean they are everywhere. Btw capitalism is where the stolen tech for all the Chinses vehicles has come from then they simplify and take away a safety feature or 10 then sell it on the Chinese market. or aliexpress as the Iphone 91plus.

[@kemalasaridina1898]

@@richkar1127 um, have you read any news report on this topic? china has one of the highest rate of ev vehicles penetration now, there are literally tons of coverage on this. naturally people can afford them...

[@Jianfa88Tsai]

1. Sell electric vehicle (EV) upgrade where people can opt to convert boot space to add more batteries. 2. EV selling point. Reduced explosion damage scope compared to petrol? 3. Use maid to charge electric car. There is a separate lock for EV’s charging port. The charging port lid needs phone app to unlock. Unlocking charging port lid doesn't unlock the car nor start the engine. This allow third party service staff to charge your car when you sleep at night.

[@NerdLife4Life]

I've always found the biggest problems with EVs is neither the cost problem nor the pollution problem. It's always been infrastructure. For some nations, more compact and densely populated nations for instance, this isn't as much of an issue. It still does need to be addressed in these nations but it's not as huge of an issue as it is with Nations like India, Russia, Canada, and the US. In these nations they have enormous land masses that they must deal with, monumental Road networks that must have charging stations littered about, and enormously diverse terrain that must be considered when construction of such charging points takes place. Everyone thinks of the cities, but no one ever thinks about what it's like in the countryside. A single gas station with a 100 miles/160 km radius void around it can service any vehicle that travels it's placement within moments. As of right now, barring certain specific locations that are seemingly destroying themselves in the rush to become the first, there are no equivalents to this in these locations. Urban hubs seem to rely on the idea that you come in to do your business and you charge your vehicle while you're there. No one ever considers the idea of Transit from A to b meaning hundreds of miles. Honestly the rise of the electric vehicle must first have a reckoning as to what it means to be a automobile owner in any of these locations.

[@89five3five]

Gas cars had the same issues when it was being offered to the masses. There were NO gas stations. Long trips back then had to be planned properly. Today it is not an issue. Today it is an issue for EVs, but it will not stay that way.

[@jimmljammlz]

21:13 "Had I driven my own car I think I would have used about a half a tank of gas" Wait whut!!?? half a tank of gas to go 100km?, what car is this guy driving?

[@ryantan1022]

Haha yay, your merc is back!

[@oldlee2706]

Unless your hse can charge, otherwise you will be at mercy of power point rates..

[@terence3908]

aren't you at the mercy of fuel taxes if you drive a conventional car?

[@oldlee2706]

@@terence3908 it's international. Can compare

[@socketheadscrew707]

What a dumb comment. Can you pump petrol at your house or HDB Carpark now?

[@richkar1127]

Nope, my house the street lights the air conditioner, none of it runs on pump fuel either. When good old electric company figures out they are going to have to expand production to meet the needs of having that many EVs the price will skyrocket for the consumers. More production is not cheap.

[@oldlee2706]

@@socketheadscrew707 government or government trolls will always starts the sentence with discrediting ppl before putting up their excuses. Seen alot in the paliment. So can you tell us more to enlighten us?

[@ravitoday]

Burning petrol in cars is much more wasteful and inefficient as compared to using natural gas in power plants.

[@dkj6946]

Question: is the Aircon allowed to be turned on while charging so at least we can work on our laptop while waiting

[@Jwhatsup5]

Yes, you can still use all functions in the car other than driving.

[@levinwee2909]

I recall back then, the owner of the first Tesla in Singapore mentioned something along the lines of his car being the first electric car taxed for emissions. With majority of the population (and by proxy, car owners) living in apartment blocks, charging will be a huge pain if each car takes 30 mins or more to charge at a public charger. With charging taking at least 6 times longer with electric cars, we'll need 6 times as many charging points as there are fuel pumps currently to maintain the status quo. Also, with how batteries degrade, it will be a huge task recycling them each year when the cars have greatly reduced range and attract no buyers in the second hand market.

[@DaveD0121]

Charging infrastructure definitely needs intervention from the government, but so far i do not see any real interest from SG government in moving towards EV, just compare the amount of subsidy and support China is giving out, we even taxed our first Tesla owner for Co2 emission. Building 6x charging point is not a problem as the charging point is more than 6x easier to set up as compared to a petrol station. It can be integrated into shopping mall carpark and multistory HDB carparks - just look at those BlueSG charging points. not sure what you meant by no buyer due to battery degradation. Are you assuming the battery cannot be changed here? you can check out NIO's battery swap technology, it can address both battery degrading issue and charging issue at the same time. With more modern EVs are delivered with some sort of AI assistant / smart tablet, I think you should compare them more to a smartphone than a traditional ICE car. Software updates will be rolled out from time to time to make this technology more mature (potentially full autonomous driving in the future), and also less moving parts means less wear and tear, i would think EVs will have less depreciation as compared to traditional ICE cars.

[@britishmalayasociety]

Considering the size of Singapore, I'm pretty sure most people will be able to do their commute with just a 5 min supercharge. EV's aren't filled from 0-100 like petrol vehicles, you only charge as much as you need. Australia and NZ are looking at laws to ensuite that every apartment carpark has EV charging infrastructure.

[@britishmalayasociety]

Also, depending on the EV, the batteries can last for quite some time. There are Tesla taxis that are nearly a decade old, with older battery chemistry, that are still going strong. Usually EV batteries are reused, and not recycled immediately. But regionally, I'm aware that Australia and New Zealand already have EV recycling facilities. I think Dyson was looking at that in Singapore as well.

[@manojfernando1028]

this programme is always good.i cannot miss any episode

[@salvadorcoling8403]

Singapore is the best country to electrify its transportation system. In fact the robotaxi system can be implemented without problems and will reduce the number of vehicles in the country. Just ask Tesla, Elon Musk will be willing to help.

[@IADHDD]

I have been to Malaysia and I am not sure why cars cost so much there. Here in the States, you can get a hybrid vehicle that will get you 45 mpg for almost 1/2 the cost of a full plug in electric car. If you want to save money, hybrid is the way. If you want a cooler car, get an electric one

[@chewkenneth]

EVs are NOT entirely ZERO emission. Emissions are at the power plants itself, UNLESS power generation is performed through sustainable sources like solar.

[@jaconeill673]

you say that but they have to make the batteries which produce 17.5 tons for the battery itself compared to the 12 tons from a normal gas car

[@TheCoolCarGuysOfficial]

Well done! Wish to see this happen in Malaysia/

[@gregslezak8320]

Initial Prices, with incentives, are still higher for an EV, by at least 13 % minimum ! For similar size and options. If you install a home charger, add 2 to 5000 more.

[@edvoon]

Range anxiety in Singapore? Come on, it's a small island 50km across, and as the presenter said, 160km in circumference. Even the oldest models with the smallest batteries like the Nissan LEAF and Mitsubishi i-Miev with around 100km range have no problems - after all no one is likely to be driving a full lap of Singapore on their daily commute. Plus this is virtually all city driving with no highways - which is the type of driving that EVs are most efficient at since they are best with stop/start traffic but poor with continuous high-speed driving. The main problem is that most Singaporeans live in unit complexes, so actually the real obstacle to EV uptake is the availability of charging when the car is parked. If the car can charge when it's parked, then the longer charging periods required are meaningless because the actual time taken to charge the car is the few seconds taken to plug in and plug out - after all it's not as if you are sitting in your car waiting for it to charge - no you are off doing whatever you normally do anyway when your car is parked. Regarding emissions from charging - there is a huge project called Sun Cable which is going to bring 100% Renewable electricity from a massive solar farm in Australia to Singapore, through a long undersea cable. So this will reduce the emissions of EVs. The beauty of EVs are that as the Electricity grid gets cleaner, so do the EVs. Whereas an ICE car will only ever get more polluting the older it is, and we're not even counting the transport and refinement cost of the fuel. And for those people who point to the Cobalt used in Lithium batteries - petrol refining uses WAY more cobalt than batteries, and this cobalt is consumed during the refining process and is NOT recyclable, unlike old Lithium batteries. Also the industry is rapidly moving towards using more LFPs - which use NO cobalt, have a longer lifetime and cheaper, with only the drawback of being more bulky so less capacity can fit in the same space and therefore less range. But over time the range difference will be less since LFPs degrade much more slowly. They can also be regularly charged to 100% whereas the conventional Lithium batteries are recommended to be kept between 20%-80% for the longevity of the battery.

[@bumblebee2956]

See you at 2030..very well made video by the way..awesome job 👏👏

[@undredrawn3419]

This was quite informative and one of the best I've seen on the subject. Like many have said in this video. Charging time isn't the issue people make it out to be. Most will charge at home. Depending on your commute you may only need to charge a couple times a week for a short amount of time. Infrastructure is rapidly increasing so that waiting on a charge isn't an issue. Here in the US we have chargers everywhere. If you own a Tesla not only do you have exclusive access to their chargers but with an adapter you can charge at all the other chargers as well. When plotting your road trip the onboard navigation tells you where all the chargers are along your route and how much charge you will have as you get to each one and how long you will need to stay there before leaving to continue your journey. In most cases we humans need to stop anyway for whatever reasons during our road trips so coordinating breaks with the ability to charge is key. I'm not saying this is the end of petrol but for may this will be the evolution of it. Many of us may have grown p washout the internet, computers or even microwaves. Most didn't have a personal phone let alone a smart phone. Now many of these things are common place and if you take them away without a viable alternative most won't know how to function without them. In this case fossil fuel is either living along side EV or in some areas and some point being replaced by it. Whether we like it or not it is evolution on an industrial level.

[@richkar1127]

Most people can't charge at home, most people live in apartments. Exclusive access to Tesla supercharger nope not exclusive. Any car can use them if they have an adapter. Some people do not fall into it's just hard to change category and fall into there is no way today that will work. As in actual work vehicles which are typically used cars used evs won't be around for a 20-30 year lifespan. So the amount of used vehicles dwindles pretty much until we figure out how to make a battery better. Less used vehicles that work means more people buying new cars and adding to the biggest sources of pollution we have today. Manufacturing and battery recycling. Someday a technology will change this but for now we are killing our resources and making more pollution in the guise that we are being green now. No one selling an ev cares about the used car market and it shows.

[@grant-music]

Implementation of the infrastructure will have to be different to fit different cities. In Singapore for example, most stay in high-rise flats or condominium, i.e. we don't have a private garage to charge overnight. Having 1 charger per car/parking lot in our shared parking spaces simply isn't practical in terms of the amount of stress on the power grid. One of things that the local authorities will need to work out is how to schedule charging of vehicles in a space where the ratio of chargers to cars is less than 1, perhaps even less than 0.5

[@undredrawn3419]

@@richkar1127 Unless your government has made an agreement with Tesla or Tesla has opened their chargers up to the public in your country then NO. They're private chargers exclusive to Tesla vehicles. While in Europe and other places the charging port is standardized their charging network will reject other manufacturers vehicles. I fully admit that each country will have to work out it's infrastructure problems. Average commuters travel 30 to 60 miles a day so for most people they won't need to charge everyday. But with government incentives and new construction apartments and condos as well as offices can retrofit or design in chargers. This isn't out of the possibility as it's already being done in multiple countries and cities....Chana to name a few.

[@richkar1127]

@@undredrawn3419 You are not understanding the way the chargers work at all. The Tesla superchargers can be used by other vehicles but not at the same charge rate (speed). Changing the entire infrastructure for a new highly non-sustainable technology is not a good idea. EVs are not capable of 90% of the things Ice vehicles can do now or for the following 20 years after the purchase date. Every ev on the road today will not be on the road in 20 years. 10 year old ice vehicles today will still be going 20 years from now. The 2 largest producers of pollution are manufacturing and battery recycling. Explain to me how buying things that literally make the two biggest contributors that much worse, is better or even equal in terms of the environmental impact. You can't, no one can. Literally Tesla doesn't even have solar panels on their own manufacturing plants except one small section of one building for photo ops. The whole ev movement is a farce at this point, someday we will have a good environmental battery. Until then we are doing much worse for our environment. Industrial revolution? Hardly. Monetary revolution. Definitely.The great Elon still won't let you fix your own car. Great for economy I'm sure.

[@tkyap2524]

As technology improves, EVs will rule the day.

[@arifazhari7598]

perhaps, untill we found suitable energy source to power our car and our civilization. Coal and diesel power plant is not on the list.

[@ntrogaming9933]

I think all this will be subject to approval of oil companies who hold significant power now. I think they only approve EVs now is because electricity that powers these vehicles still rely on petroleum products. They still make money out of it. Moving to more sustainable source of energy will likely be blocked by these corporate titans.

[@sidecarcn]

Maybe in fantasy land. The reality is we still don’t know.

[@lillypichu4566]

@@sidecarcn It's obvious that if a company were to put out an EV that cost $15,000 or $25,000 and had a 250+ mile range, a lot of people would buy it. 250 miles is quite enough for the Southeast Asia region, maybe all regions, even in Singapore it is a very sufficient range to get around all places in Singapore.

[@jakedank2746]

Ev car fires are killing the ozone

[@ZetaTango83]

The only useful EV will be 1 that can reach Genting in a single charge.

[@lucretius8050]

Kind of already exist and longer ranges soon to be released. The distance to Genting is about 410km. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZScmoyghbGhfK8

[@ThePatrickykm]

Bro the new EVs such as Hyundai Ionic 5 all exceed 500 miles

[@ThePatrickykm]

@@lucretius8050 zeta is still in jurasic park n clueless 🤣

[@peted3637]

@@ThePatrickykm Not even close! "Hyundai is targeting a 300-mile range for the rear-drive model and 269 miles with all-wheel drive. We estimate the final versions will offer between 258 and 290 miles of range." - www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/ioniq-5

[@ThePatrickykm]

@@peted3637 sorry i accidently converted, not 500 miles, 500km, 480 to be percise,

[@NEAAFFAIRS]

Also the ARF discount is basically from your own pocket . Lower ARF lower PARF. The eMG is worth next to nothing vs the ICE MG

[@cowman76]

2 years on. Could CNA do another take on the EV scene? Always love CNA insight on matters.

[@scaleartsg]

steven, your mercedes is super ancient by now

[@zaidibk69]

If there's still option for petrol or diesel cars, i will forgo electric car.

[@rogerking8545]

I am a fan of EVs, especially Tesla. The reason is the direction he wants to take the world to a better cleaner and more sustainable renewable energy as well as lower carbon emissions. I apologize but I don't know where Genting is and the distance from you. What I can say is that on a long drive, it is not typical to drive 500 miles straight. You would have to be a Semi-Truck Driver to do that long of a drive. I know that I have to do at least 1 bathroom break just going 250 miles from Houston to Dallas or Dallas to San Antonio. In between all the major cities, we have a Buc-ee's gas station which is massive. This gas station has over 50 to 60 pumps on avg and another 50 to 100 parking spaces depending on the location. Imagine a Charging network there where it's the cleanest restrooms, in all of Texas, and a huge store that people buy snacks, food, and all sorts of drinks. It even has lots of merchandise to sell. With the Tesla supercharge network on new Tesla's, you can regain 80% of your battery/range back in 45 minutes. The standard Tesla does 300 miles or 482.8 km depending on your driving. Also, image the AutoPilot function that lots of EV cars are coming out with (not to be confused with full self-driving), you won't be as tired or stressed out when you get to your destination. Now to emissions, ok let's look at how much it costs to produce 1 gallon of petro. According to Elon Musk, he claims 5kW for 1 gallon of gas (3.79 liters). So I did my research and this looks like a great number but it doesn't account for the other by-products it makes at the same time. It's hard to calculate accurately how much it really takes to produce 1 gallon. Let's for pitty on the ICE cars side assume it is more like 2 kW per gallon. So yes the production of 1 gallon of gas might be cheaper, but then you forgot to factor in the gas and production of the diesel it took the 18 wheeler to get it to your gas station. Let's also factor in the gas/diesel it took to get the oil tanker from the Middle East to where ever you are in the world. So now, we are looking at anywhere from 6kW to upwards of 10 kW to get that fuel into your car. So at this point, let's just call it a draw, neither electric cars nor ICE cars will use more energy vs the other to go the same distance. However, now that both cars can go the same distances, 1 still produces CO2 emission at this point. Someone brought up the point that well the electricity at the charging points are wasted, this is also true for Gas stations. This really should be another topic of conversation, but this is why we need Energy Grid Storage to be stored throughout the cities around the world. We can build enough Wind and Solar farms, our issue is when the sun goes down and the wind dies down. Ford has kind of thought of it with their new F-150 Lightning where when the car is completely charged and your power goes out, the electricity can flow the other way where the car can power your house. Tesla has power walls and solar roofs. We also need to harness that grid power with massive energy storage farms, but that is a topic for another conversation. Someone is gonna bring up the cost of EV's I bet. Well, yes the cost of an EV currently is a higher initial investment to buy the car. Let me open your mind to how it actually saves you money. I am in the US obviously. 1) Let's just take for example a Tesla Model 3. It is currently a $36k car. Let's say it is comparable to a Carolla which starts at $22k but doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the Model 3 but let's just say it does. Starting in 2022, the US government is looking into signing into law a tax credit for people who are willing to buy an electric vehicle sold in the US ($7500), made in the US ($2500 (Giga Texas Baby)), and made by a Union Workforce (Ford F-150 Lighting) (This is all speculation at this point since the law is still in Congress being debated). Now this $36k Tesla Model 3 is now only $26k. This car has no need for oil changes, inspections for emissions plugs up to your house, or go to a SuperCharger network full recharge is about $15 US where a full tank of gas is $30 bucks. You can also charge at home for even cheaper rates. 2) The cars: Tesla cars all have what they call Infotainment centers. If you have kids, good luck keeping them off of it. You say you need a work truck that is cost-efficient? F-150 Lightning coming to market at $40k (approx) and the full $12k tax incentives, it's now cheaper than the ICE version (I didn't even mention the other trucks yet). Did I mention it has an easy-loading Frunk? Oh, it's just you so you need just a small car? The highly rumored $25k Tesla Model 2 (rumors that it's called the 2) plus tax incentives. Still, too big, look into a company called Aptera and their $25k never plug-in EV solar-powered car (for people who don't travel very far every day. But it can expand its battery capacity to go 800 MILES, yes I SAID MILES. You have a family, the Model Y of course, or the VW's ID.4. Got the money to Spend and love going outdoors...Rivian Truck or SUV. If you are feeling a little Edgy, why not the Cyberpunk CyberTruck. 3) Charging networks are growing everywhere. Teslas have the Tesla Supercharging network with LVL 2 and 3 charging infrastructure while everyone else uses whatever was built by EVgo which are mostly LVL 2 and only a small few are LVL 3 charging networks. If you are in the US, you have your house as a charger also LVL 1 and LVL 2. Typical LVL 2 charging is from my understanding a 240volt connection and LVL 1 is your standard electrical outlet. 4) Sticking it to the man Big Automobile companies are afraid of the smaller agile companies that ready to innovate and protect the only planet we live off of. The big automobile companies want to push you to keep buying ICE cars and afraid of the company like Rivian, Tesla, and Aptera. Dealerships are trying to sue them because they sell direct to the users and don't go through a dealership. Why so the dealership can rip you off and sell you an extended warranty that doesn't even cover what you need to be done to your vehicle. You take it in and they just tell you what you don't need and make you pay through the nose for the part that is 1/3 the price at your local mechanic? Well, you say that mechanics will then be out of a job, well electric cars still have brakes and moving parts, wheels, they will still have a job, it's not like you were going to take your car to the dealership anyways after the manufacturer warranty runs out anyways. Don't worry about responding. This is just a rant, take it or leave it. This is food for thought only. Do your own research and in whatever company you are in. Yes, I hold Tesla stock, but I also hold Nio and Li Auto. Yes, those are Chinese EV companies. You ask why I don't look into other American EV companies, I have. Lordstown has recently mentioned that they are not going to be able to make the production line they mentioned before and might even go under. Yes, that's what happens when they fudge their pre-order numbers.

[@mb6450]

I lasted 20 seconds before I saw old mates parking effort.

[@johnnydough914]

With all the different companies providing the charging stations, do we need an account or app for each one of them or can they all be combined into 1 seamless experience? I’d really not have to keep 10 apps on my phone just for charging my car, and that’s on top of having to plan the charging in advance

[@demsyciu]

What about how long the lithium battery life span before it worn out and need to be replaced woth new battery? Considering that aspect, is it still cheaper?

[@jaded1122]

Am getting model 3 as a HDB owner. Based on my daily commute, i would only need to recharge the car every 3 weeks. Much more tolerable than a ICE car. Can't wait.

[@truenorth5072]

That’s not entire correct. First the battery will loss charge of about 1% per day even if sitting there. So 3 weeks you would loss about 21%. Also unless you are willing to change battery before 10 years is up, you need to recharge (or set the AI recharge app) the car between 20% to 80% of capacity. Meaning in a so call 300 km car. You actually have a usable range of 300* 0.6 = 180 km. If you travel 50km each day, you would need to recharge every 3 to 4 days. Just like petrol car, waiting in a traffic jam consumes energy as well. Meaning 300km does not really equate to 300 km on the map. Lastly, they also did not mention that using a fast charger will cost you much closer to petrol price per km.

[@jaded1122]

@@truenorth5072 reasonable concern, but maybe I should furnish you the detail that the range of model 3 performance is quoted at 567km. Given your assumption that I will only capture 60% of battery capacity in real life usage (which is highly unlikely, given that tesla is incredibly efficient, look it up in bjorn KZbin) I will still clock well over 300km on a single charge, not to mention regen braking at my disposal. As for cost of electricity, the current going rate at shell fast charger station will cost me 1/3 of the money filling up the "tank", so to speak.

[@truenorth5072]

@@jaded1122 I am not talking about real life usage. I am talking about charging your battery to only 80% of capacity and using it to only 20% of capacity not not to zero. Keeping charging range between 20~80% battery capacity is what is recommend for all lithium battery. Tesla or not. Tesla has no magic, they are just like any other EV, they just hype it better. Don’t buy into the BS.

[@jaded1122]

@@truenorth5072 first, i buy a car to drive, not to play theoretical 20-80 numbers game. second, look up LFP battery in made in china Tesla(sg buyers are getting this instead of Freemont), its battery chemistry is entirely different to NCA, performs really well in warm weather and not subjected to the degradation which you sing about. thirdly, i am not buying into tesla; i just happen to buy a car that have the most efficient discharge, reasonable battery degradation (trade off i am willing to live with rather than fixing my ICE cars) and currently the best in-car software. Dollar for dollar it's just better than anything on the market, ICE included. So if you are not convinced by my BS then you can go elsewhere to get your daily dose of confirmation bias.

[@truenorth5072]

@@jaded1122 “20~80% numbers game” is advised by the car manufacturer (for prolonging battery life), including Tesla... you might want to RTFM before you buy the EV. And yup, you can call the car manufacturer and tell them to their face to stop playing number games. You seem like someone who had read in depth about these EVs (and Tesla) but had never owned one in real life. Talk to me after you drive it for more than 3 years and then tell me how the range works out for you. And yes, you can also go and search KZbin for confirmation, to believe what you choose to believe. If that floats your boat...

[@johnnyexplorestheworld4729]

what about those who need to drive up north? there may be problems finding sufficient charging points....some food for tot...

[@chickenchopfriedrice]

in case you dont know, there are fast chargers along highways

[@johnnydough914]

There’s also the added tax of NOT using petrol. Ridiculous.

[@MLA..]

During the year of lockdowns in the United States it showed there was no significant reduction in greenhouse gas from the 80% reduction of vehicle use. Homes create far more greenhouse gas then vehicle's.

[@arthurtay8675]

same price, but higher depreciation cost owing to the lower ARF rebate.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Not here in the UK. EV's hold their value very strongly....

[@wamnicho]

@@Brian-om2hh it's because they're still rare, wait 20-30 years and they won't hold value anymore

[@stonermountain9147]

This a great documentary. Thanks for sharing.

[@stephenchung]

Well .. if all vehicles are EV .. the power station has to generate more power.. so LPPL.. basic physics… n the magnetic field that is generated by wire is huge… n I don’t think lithium ion battery are that green in fact is more toxic than the co2 ..

[@TLH788]

Half a tank for 100km ? Probably super high consumption already..

[@marktazz4521]

My little sister got an electric car... Recently, I rode with her, but the biggest problem was there were no charging ports, or only one, and that was "occupied..."

[@rogerjamespaul5528]

A big plus is less noise.

[@slifox2752]

You forgot to mention it takes extra electricity to refine petrol and diesel fuels...

[@Brian-om2hh]

Around 8kw of electricity to produce *one* gallon of petrol I believe......

[@bboytwisty]

Cost without warranty in electric cars is outrageous

[@Brian-om2hh]

And which electric cars have you owned which have cost you "outrageous" amounts of money to repair? Or are you simply one of these people who just post comments without any actual experience of what you are posting about?

[@M.C.N.1020]

Electric vehicles are a very good concept ... But if the Infra structure is good the concept will work well ..if it's cumbersome In countries it's not good ..

[@mhmdnazel1]

chargers can be powered by solar panels and mini wind turbines... basically free power in Singapore ...

[@bowlampar]

Cost of operating an EV is supposed to be lower than gasoline vehicle in Singapore if the gasoline price remain at present stage, unless new oil well is discovered off shore in the future. 🤔🤔

[@marnuscoreyempanadaslooseb6760]

Truth be told it really isn’t any cleaner. Because the power source is still fueled by gas.

[@northpointcity-]

yuh but obvs gas power plants are more efficient than ICE engines so... The lifetime emissions of an EV is significantly lower than that of an ICE car

[@dash5892]

you can control the co2 output from the plants i hope you notice the weather is getting warmer all the co2 doesn't go to space

[@jamaicasysbm2580]

The last time I checked most private ice vehicles are parked for most of the day so the emissions are low, it is the ice vehicles that work in public transportation that contributes to green house gases, ships 🛳 and aero planes ✈️ are ones that pollute the atmosphere because there engines operate for 70 to 80 percent of the day. Evs charging cannot beat the 10-12 minutes of ice cars toping up their tanks. Also if the power goes out how because there is a distribution in LNG how will you charge the Ev

[@izzuddinfakarudin5696]

Sure, electric car is suitable in tiny city/country like Singapore. Until EV tech matures, I'm not going to have one

[@gabbyfoo2]

Interesting presentation...But there are lots of other logistic vehicles that contribute to the Carbon Footprint...eg. Planes, Military vehicles-Naval:Air and Land...plus all the blasting of missiles,explosives,etc..etc..Thus even though you did a great "Car-presentation", we must be fair to point out the other bug contributors to pollutions, including daily trucks,lorries,motorbikes....and so on and so forth....Thamks for your short episode...Of course no can cover the entire "Carbon Footprint" discussions in one short episode. Thank you again.

[@dawnn2269]

Big change from steve's car!! hahah

[@Zohar-Modifier]

The emission from battery making lol ...

[@p3yp649]

Better look at the tribology (wear & tear over the years) components costs to maintain a electric car compared to petrol/ diesel car.

[@zizimai7568]

I presume the charging app can link to creditcard for foreigners & Malaysian as well?

[@truenorth5072]

Well made documentary as usual from CNA. However, a few points were not addressed in full. First the lithium battery will lose charge of about 1% per day even if sitting there and switched off, just like your mobile phone. So if you use your EV as a second car or parked over weekend, it will loss charge and range even if it does not move. ICE has no such issue. Secondly, unless you are willing to change battery before 10 years is up, you need to recharge (or set the AI recharge app) the car ideally between 20% to 80% of capacity. Meaning in a so call 300 km car. You actually have a usable range of only 300* 0.6 = 180 km. If you use the battery to under 10% and charge to over 90% each time, the battery will lose capacity/range fast as it degrades much faster. So if you travel 50km each day, you would need to recharge every 3 to 4 days. Thirdly, the battery starts to degrade over time and lose its range (10~30%) across a few years, depending on how you take care of it. If it overheats frequently (like you like to slam on accelerator at every red to green light), you might lose up to 50% of battery capacity when nearer to 10 years. Which would decimate your car’s scrap value. ( And EV car scrap value for Singapore export market is still an unknown). Fourthly, just like petrol car, waiting in a traffic jam consumes energy as well. Meaning 300km does not really equate to 300 km on the map. Need to factor in at least 15~20% more. Fifth point, they also did not mention that using a fast charger will cost you much closer to petrol price per km. Sixth, unless government pushes to tag Carbon Tax into ICE cars, the difference between ICE and EV will just widen (not narrow) as adoption increases. As subsidy will subside as government cannot run such plans indefinitely. And as proportion of EV increases throughout the world, lithium price will increase, not decrease. We are already seeing this phenomenon in the lithium metal spot price. Lastly, it might be possible for SG Gov to bulldoze through installing charging station in HDB Carpark (SG Gov rich), but to have such EV installation cost pass through condominium management committee would be much tougher. Other then the above. I guess we are good to go.

[@britishmalayasociety]

Most of this depends on which model you get, EV's have different battery chemistries, and there is a difference between say a Nissan Leaf and any other Tesla, we already have data on nearly decade old Tesla taxis being supercharged all the time with minimal battery degradation. Personally, I've experienced battery degradation whilst overseas, and if you fully leave you car charged from 90%, it will hold charge for months, even on a smaller pack, but it depends again how efficient your car is. Technically, fuel also evaporates from your tank, albeit at a slower rate. EV's use less energy in traffic than petrol vehicles do, making them ideal on traffic or low speed situations. It's only when you're pushing above 120 km/h that impacts SOT. No nation will have indefinite EV subsidies, nobody is saying that, the subsidies exist to encourage EV over ICE. Australian and NZ governments are working on legislation for all apartment carparks to have EV charging available. It could be as easy as a building compliance order.

[@truenorth5072]

@@britishmalayasociety That’s more like it. Great comment. Most people are for a greener environment. With more earnest comments like these we can move in the right direction. Not with hype comments glorifying and exaggerating current EV capabilities. However, unless battery technology can advance to a stage where we can charge up to 300 km (real life) mileage worth of usage within 5 to 10 mins, people will still stick to ICE if not forced by regulation. Possibly only a breakthrough in solid state battery coupled with REAL super speed charging or maybe hydrogen can change that.

[@phalgun25]

If EV is tested for emissions with respect to the generation of electricity, why aren’t we looking at a similar data point for ICE. Measure both emission from burning the fuel and also mining the fuel.

[@tanboonhann2736]

There is no way that such an electric vehicle revolution could ever happen in Malaysia

[@hazelnuts23]

It should be possible for small city country like Singapore. For country like Malaysia, with how things going, it is impossible to go fully electric.

[@jecksonng]

If government encourage us to change electric cars, why charges so expensive? Charging port not enough, everyone will be impatience waiting other car to move off. Yes less maintenance. But some people have dream to pursue for their dream cars. Many may miss the opportunity for their dream cars. At the end, paid more for a “not a dream car” mentality. Sad we have to accept it.

[@ShirtPapa]

I could recall previously our minister Masagos said to Tesla their vehicles are a form of “lifestyle” 🥲🥲🥲

[@d.p.9567]

Also “fast” charging actually compromises the overall life of your battery forcing you to replace it sooner rather then later at the cost of $6000-15000 depending on the car. These EVs also have their own versions of transmissions that contain coolant and oil to which is “lifetime” but all this means is that you will have to replace these units when they break too. Ideally you should be able to change the oil and coolant in these units but the manufactures would rather burden their EV customers with more costs in the $1000s. Creating more waste by just having to get a whole new car isn’t so “green.” If they wanted to be truly “green” they would make the car last forever and allow you to do simple maintenance to achieve that but “green” is just for marketing and fluff and not reality of how they operate. If they wanted to be “green” they would also make simple plug n’ play EV units that you could switch out your gas engine with and put in an EV unit in your existing car you already own. Instead they make you switch out cars creating more waste in the world. It’s all “green” theater.

[@kentershackle1329]

Will u consider 'Battery swap' concept?. Would solve a lot of the points u hv raised?.

[@kklum6998]

Yes, the battery is the killing factor of owning such a car without any consideration on how long the battery will last and the cost of replacing them as discovered by the early bird adopter. Car seller should have a scheme and be more transparent about this issue and use the changing of the battery as a selling point and make it as consumer-friendly as possible instead of dropping a bomb when the battery life span expired.

[@tomr9661]

Cannot comment on the specifics of the Hyundai in the video, but most E/Vs will only fast charge to 80% of max storage to prevent damaging the batteries, the remaining 20% is charged at a "trickle charge". . Also, the weight of a battery pack is much to heavy for an exstiting car frame, as in the case of Fords new truck,where it adds 1000 pounds. It had to be redesigned from the ground up., as will most E/Vs.

[@britishmalayasociety]

Generally EV's do not require you to change battery or transmission fluids, they are usually sealed systems, which only need replacing if you damage it and it leaks out. According to consumer reports, EV owners spend half as much on maintenance at the most compared to ICE vehicle owners. The Tesla manual says there is no need for regular service requirement. There are older taxis which older battery chemistry, that fast charge all the time that are still working well, we're talking about 7-8 year old vehicles. The most efficient EV's are built from the ground up, plug and play EV's will have limited range, there's no place to put the batteries, cost of manufacturing will go up, because we're talking about hundreds of old cars with different bodies and engine layouts.

[@FromHJH]

electric car is a good plan for singapore because we are a small county, so if the owner is a responsible EV owner he shouldn't be running out battery

[@fychannel851]

I will change to electric only if malaysia got multiple charging station. Might be driving there once cov19 is done

[@amazingstuff5442]

We only talk about the advantages of EV cars, what about their disadvantages such as battery life issue, lithium battery leak issue, lithium battery explosion risk, insurance coverage issue and the risk of environment pollution for end of life batteries?

[@owl77]

Err.... Do we need EV association? Can't it included in AAS?😅 EV Charging timing is long but don't have to. We can drive hydrogen car instead. I think it maybe better for City as we already have petrol station just need convert it.

[@Brian-om2hh]

You can also convert petrol stations to EV charging stations. It's already happening in the UK. EV charging time is long? I can charge my Kia from 30% to full in around 40 minutes on a 100kw charger.....

[@createed692]

Add convenience = buy car Minus some convenience = buy electric car == Convenience shortchanged