SWMRS Are Cancelled... Lydia Night, Joey Armstrong, + Fake Woke Bands

[@beyondartv]

Can you tell this one was hard to talk about? Eek. It was. Thanks for watching, add your thoughts down below.

[@johncushman7458]

It sounds like you want to hook up with her. I am clear across the country. The way you make it sound , it's like everything that's going on is being done out of retaliation

[@johncushman7458]

Your Pathetic seek A THERAPIST

[@BauhausBarbie]

Imagine being the son of Billie Joe Armstrong; the person who got off stage and beat up a guy harassing a girl in the crowd and as this man's son you did this? Nah man screw Joey

[@rensje]

Billie is kinda guilty too tho. In Lydia’s post, she writes “everyone in his band, crew, family and his manager knew that we were seeing each other”. If that’s true, and I think it is, that would make Billie Joe complacent. When you know your 22-year old son is in a sexual relationship with a 16-year old girl, you should do everything you can to stop him, and he didn’t do that

[@BauhausBarbie]

@Arctic Monkeys But didn't she say she lied about her age to everyone?

[@roxycauldwell544]

Billie also got piss drunk in 2012 and told Gwen Stefani he would "fuck the shit out of her if he wasn't married" at Billboard. Broke my heart right in half that the man I looked up to for 10 straight years said something that vile :/

[@cloudmilkshake]

@@rensje Well, we don't know if Billie knew her age. And since Joey was pretty manipulative, he probably didn't acknowledge it. I even thought he could have lied about it to Lydia, and they actually didn't know anything about their relationship at all.

[@DuffyLONER64]

@@rensje We don't know as of right now how much Billie knew, but I think we should get a statement clarifying what he did and didn't know.

[@leotmbg.]

Billie is NOT responsible for joey’s actions. He is an ADULT and is responsible for HIMSELF. Don’t go after Billie, he did nothing wrong.

[@roxycauldwell544]

Lydia did mention that "his family" knew about them. But knew what? If he asked her to keep everything private there's no way he let his parents know anything

[@leotmbg.]

Roxy Cauldwell exactly, Billie and adie aren’t responsible. And I really doubt they would be okay with what was happening if they knew.

[@marioarroyo2006]

Well he raised a chomo so it’s kinda on him...

[@leotmbg.]

Ben Lee see, you don’t know that. No one ever claimed billie specifically knew. And of course Billie would not be okay with it, but I seriously doubt he knew. You don’t know the info, neither does anyone else. But it’s very safe to say Billie didn’t know. He isn’t responsible for his adult sons actions.

[@leotmbg.]

Ben Lee I’m not saying I don’t believe her. I’m saying her wording isn’t specific enough to blame Billie for anything. Sure, they knew they were seeing each other, but I really doubt that anyone besides them knew about the sexual harassment, as they stated they kept it secret from everyone. Billie is NOT responsible for his ADULT sons horrible actions. And even if Billie did know, he really couldn’t do anything to stop it because his son is an ADULT!! But i am 100% Billie and adie didn’t know about the sexual abuse. She said everyone knew they were seeing each other, not that Joey was abusing her.

[@enigmaticdreams1397]

the "go girl, give us nothing!" comment under the joey "apology" killed me

[@tutdunsthemouse]

same oml

[@alexs.1389]

IKRR

[@dessy_3]

@ any minors watching this: if an adult tries to get with you or be romantic at all with you, that is sus. no exception. there is a reason they want you and not someone their own age.

[@samuelmcclung120]

It depends on the age gap too. It's not like an 18 year old Senior dating a 16/17 year old Junior or Senior in high school is predatory, including if they started dating before either were even 18.

[@rosalindayuniasih6343]

What if its the opposite? In fact i know some minors (14 years old) who literally raped a 20+ years old. Sometimes its the minors whose trying to get with adults.

[@samuelmcclung120]

@@rosalindayuniasih6343 Then the adult didnt consent so its irrelevant

[@josefinagaregnani7961]

It’s awful how SWMRS made people think that they’re woke and support women when they all knew what happened between Joey and Lydia. I do really believe Lydia, she’s really strong.

[@user-daranada]

I mean really they're so gross

[@consuelosantander5311]

"the regrettes" also knew what was happening with Joey and Lydia and they didnt do something about it

[@1thess523]

If you don't know a lot of "woke" people are full of bologna especially the guy's 🤷‍♂️

[@rckrckrck]

A bunch of worthless feminists canceled a band that used to bring joy to so many people.

[@violaghiringhelli5698]

Oasis said: "don't put your life in the hands of a rock'n'roll band"

[@FabulousKilljoy]

Yep.

[@emilydavies2077]

They will throw it all away you know

[@kevincorgan1576]

Emily Davies today is gonna be the day that they’re gonna throw it back to you.

[@scarlett-iy8yh]

@@kevincorgan1576 wrong song

[@sweetbunnybun]

noel said if it's his band it's all right lol

[@BisexualMajima56]

I honestly hope Billie Joe has a genuine conversation with his son about this and why it was wrong of him to do. I have a feeling Billie would not approve whatsoever.

[@BisexualMajima56]

I also don't think he needs to release a public statement. That is a private conversation with a father about his son's shitty behavior. It shouldn't be tabloid drama.

[@beyondartv]

Dallas Winston totally agree

[@martinsuarez4192]

Joey is not a little kid who needs to have explained why this was wrong. This escapes Billie joe's responsibility. And also Lydia said all their families knew about what was going on, meaning Billie is included

[@shiral4629]

@@martinsuarez4192 @Martin Suarez Lydia said that they knew that they were together but not anymore. This could mean that Billie just knew that Joey was dating someone but nothing more we really don't know. She also said that Joey kept making sure that she would keep it a secret, so I personally don't think that he knew about what was going on. I agree though, this is not Billie's fault in any way

[@msbilliejoe17]

​@@martinsuarez4192sie sagte die Familien wussten es dann frag ich mich warum ihre Familie es ihr nicht verbot sich mit ihm zu treffen schließlich war sie erst 16....

[@Falxifer95]

Welp, this is certainly depressing and infuriating news. Can't even begin to imagine how Billie Joe Armstrong must feel.

[@TreverHapless]

Honestly man me too. Green Day is my favorite band and absolutely changed my life and I look up to Billie Joe Armstrong, he’s always fought for the right things and have proved it. I can’t imagine what Billie is going through right now and how unbelievable disappointed and disgusted I am with Joey

[@rebelbelle1039]

Same 😔

[@localabsurdist6661]

Imagine how Lydia felt

[@omarcapaso7156]

pessimistic unicorn yeah we all can’t imagine what she went through but this comment is saying imagine raising someone the best way you can but then they turn out to be a piece of shit.

[@lukeslife6979]

Stop talking about bille the person you should feel bad for is Lydia I can’t even imagine what she went through anyone who even thinks about bille in this situation is really ducked in the head green day isn’t the only band in the fucking world

[@Sarah-zp4ie]

my chemical romance had been around for nearly 20 years and have never been called out for anything bad, they respect women, the lgbtq+ community, and POC :) they'll forever be a band that I look up to and respect, their music helped me through a dark time, in conclusion stan bands with supportive messages and fanbases :)

[@benlee7864]

Didnt one of them cheat on his wife? Real nice guys.

[@lemonqueen6711]

They really are great tho

[@bloodyhaze2844]

I disagree with the fanbase thing tho.. Our fanbase is kinds toxic

[@bloodyhaze2844]

@@benlee7864 mikey was on drugs at the time and has recently got help and has 2 kids and a beautiful marriage. We don't know what happened behind closed doors we don't know how she treated him or how he treated her but I do know Mikey was in a very bad time in his life.

[@benlee7864]

@@bloodyhaze2844 wow. Making excuses for a drug user who cheated on his wife? That's low.

[@emmaterrino878]

I saw a video a while ago of Cole specifically talking about how they were trying to make their shows a safe space for women and girls. I don’t know how much cole knew about the allegations, but the hypocrisy is laughable. Very disappointed in this band.

[@viceb7]

"making shows a safe space for young girls" honestly just screams manipulative bullshit now that I'm old enough to see it.

[@LotteYanson]

This past month alone so many people I followed (not just in music but in general) have been outed for scummy behavior. And that’s not even taking into account how many of my other favorite bands and content creators have been cancelled over the years. However my deciding factor as to whether I continue to support an artist or not is if they decide to change. If Joey tries to seek help and better himself then I’ll keep all my SWMRS music. If he does shit like this again or starts acting hostile towards his accuser and her believers, I have no issue getting rid of the music.

[@mariana_greenday1039]

That statement on instagram is already pretty clear that he doesn't care about Lydia. He just wants her to excuse him, but he really doesn't want to know how she's doing. He thinks that one everything she's been through, ends or forgets with an accepted apology.

[@localabsurdist6661]

Mariana - Green Day yeah his „apology“ was the worst thing I‘ve ever read. How the hell can you not agree on her experience. It’s what she’s been going through. Also that „she’s allowed to...“. He clearly apologized only because he was called out on his behavior. From the whole statement he put out you can tell that he doesn’t give a shit about her and how she was doing. He could have reached out to her and talked to her in person before but he didn’t. This says enough about him in my opinion.

[@abbiea-c]

when going to gigs as a teenage girl, swmrs were the only band i felt 100% safe in the crowd for, this was due to how consistently & passionately they stood up for women in the music industry. this news is so heartbreaking to hear and i was never even a massive fan of them. the fact everyone involved with the band helped cover this secret with performative statements is disgusting. i don’t think i’ll ever be able to listen to their music again without feeling extremely uncomfortable. i hope they take a long long break after this and i hope it can be a learning experience for kids in this scene not to put so much faith in people you don’t know personally.

[@dannyplays158]

Joey messed up not the band they are not all that way two are now married the other two are out of the band they have 2 new people and a lot of the statement talks about how she was alone and when her parents “knew” about it even though the parents didn’t have a problem with their relationship until something happened between them and then she came out. I’m from their area I have a few details left out like that. But I do not defend joeys actions just don’t think it is fair to ruin the rest of the innocent band members careers as soon as they started getting big

[@Zennrick]

I was also really disappointed in Destroy Boys who toured with SWMRS and knew about the events with Joey and Lydia but chose to stay friends with them and continue to tour pretty much for more popularity rather than doing the right thing. Very hypocritical of them too considering they're a very feminist band

[@kylerohan3841]

Vi or alexia I think posted about this saying she always regretted it and it really hurt her friendship with Lydia.

[@mywaterparksromance1822]

I saw another post saying that vi did something else

[@Zennrick]

@@mywaterparksromance1822 I think I know the one you're on about. I think it mentioned something about how Vi really doesn't like her fans or something?

[@miranda2554]

Zennrick yes, and how the band claims to be ACAB but vi called the cops on her suicidal friend and apparently spread rumors about The Regrettes and Lydia herself.

[@miranda2554]

AsrielKekker I mean, personally I always loved the sound of their music. a lot of people did. but no matter how good a couple of songs sound you shouldn’t support someone who defends an abuser, so

[@buttermymuffin4396]

One thing I've realised is that the majority of the time the people who push forward a certain agenda, personality trait, etc... a little too much are always hiding their true intentions which are always the opposite of what they are showing.

[@Hero_Of_Old]

Bingo. Male feminists are usually creeps

[@shearerfoo8099]

Over-compensating

[@cola7260]

Even ppl like Amber Heard too...exploiting truly horrible things to make themselves look in the right when they are really the one in the wrong. It’s sad actually

[@iliketrains3495]

Gandalf The Grey Michael Stipe and Sam Smith, watch out

[@iliketrains3495]

Also if you want a female example try Meghan “Promotes Body Equality But Shames Skinny Women” Trainor.

[@GiuseppeGuadalupe]

I’ve been supporting this band for 9 years. This feels like such a betrayal

[@corktreeluvr]

If we can’t trust swmrs... who else has been lying to us the whole time?

[@corktreeluvr]

Killjøy Clique I been knew but guess the killers are lying to us too 😸 r*pe apologists!

[@corktreeluvr]

Insidious Juice i- that was a bold statement

[@guymann3711]

Never trust anyone, thats how you wont get betrayed

[@lauraqp1995]

I was a fan and honestly this is so fucked up. They've talked about empowering survivors of sexual abuse and calling it out so many times and now they're acting like that didn't apply to them. And if you want to see how they treated their favorite fans, look up what a girl named nayelli said on twitter. Because most of us knew they were close, but we never thought they were using them to make designs for free or be their community managers also for free. About just listening to their old music again I don't know. I have both of their albums but for now I really don't feel like it. But hey, at least I didn't get any tattos.

[@nadie3342]

I agree. Every word on their albums feels like a lie now

[@revolutionradio6195]

Billie Joe Armstrong has got to be so disappointed he has always been an avid feminist so for his son to be like that is just like man , also I don’t understand why the other bandmates are backing Joey right now they should be kicking him out of the band like it’s a sinking ship he’s the drummer he’s not gonna be missed it’s not like he’s Tré Cool like they’ll be fine with out him

[@mywaterparksromance1822]

Exactly the drumming on Berkeleys on fire isn't special at all. It just exemplifies how fake woke they really are. They should have kicked him out when it happened.

[@mariana_greenday1039]

They're probably accomplices to each other and prefer to stay with the band. Maybe they think that in a week, we'll forget what happened.

[@huntercrunch94]

Not defending him at all, but the thing here is that even though he isn't a particularly talented drummer, a huge contributing factor to this band getting popular is because Joey is the son of a member of Green Day. Without him, I'm not sure they would have gotten as popular as they have. Also, the fact that the rest of the band knew about this means they're all trash too, so kicking him out wouldn't even fix the problem. Just let the creep go down with the ship.

[@mariana_greenday1039]

@@huntercrunch94 Billie gave a lot of strength to joey, and to Jakob too. Billie and Addie have always encouraged and promoted the band Emily's Army. I believe Emily's Army should never have changed, it was a great band. They got to where they are through Billie Joe, it is a fact. Even though I don't like Joey, I have to confess that he's a great drummer.

[@rebelbelle1039]

It’s because Joey has privilege and connections and SWMRS would be nothing. If Joey did not have the privilege he would have been kicked out a long ass time ago. They would have been a generic indie band. They were basically given a career that was handed to them

[@CAVFIFTEEN]

This is disgusting I can’t even imagine the anger and disappointment Billie Joe and Adrienne must be. To think I was just researching them yesterday and about to give their music a try. Normally I believe in separating the art from the artist but... I don’t know this time😕

[@CAVFIFTEEN]

Yin Do you mean they knew and abhorred the fact, trying to talk sense into him and getting him to stop or they knew and let it continue? Also, do you have any sources on this?

[@cap1234]

Yin you keep commenting this, but there is no proof that Joey’s parents knew anything about the age of his girlfriend. Also Joey is 22 years old, Billie probably doesn’t feel a need to interfere much in his life anymore (or at least before this incident). Unless there is explicit proof I would recommend to stop trying to push a most likely false narrative.

[@cap1234]

Neil 27 can you provide an article that shows he did that? This is the first time I have ever heard about that, and I’m pretty sure that that’s not true.

[@Gunn27]

@@cap1234 I played cello with G'NR at the ceremony as part of the LA Philharmonic Orchestra. It was not widely reported as it happened backstage when people were listening to Tom Jones do a talk.

[@cap1234]

Neil 27 how can I know that your not making this up? This is the internet, you have to provide receipts. If you can’t then it renders the accusation useless.

[@yonisavransky3731]

I wonder if Billie knew about this, and if he didn’t, what sort of conversation he is having with Joey right now.

[@jimh4459]

@Yin but did he know Joey was actually abusing her though? I think he just knew they were dating

[@mishasebesta6006]

jim h i think its disgusting even if he didnt know he was abusive and just knew that they were dating.

[@cloudmilkshake]

@Yin Joey is manipulative. What if he lied to Lydia? And Billie didn't know... We can't tell for sure

[@TreverHapless]

Yin You don’t know that for sure tho. For all we know Joey could of lied about it to his family and Billie didn’t know

[@TH1515FAK3]

Yoni Savransky I sure hope not. I don’t want to think Billie’s like that.

[@imjustjules]

I saw my mutuals talking about this on twitter.. so sickening. Thanks for talking about it. I know you hate cancel culture but I’m glad you can see that it was warranted in this situation. We need to keep teenagers in the music scene safe.

[@elisa8290]

I honestly do not know how to feel right now, I am shocked. I side with Lydia. Swmrs have had such a huge impact on my life for the past 4 years, to the point I was planning to get a swmrs tattoo one day. Every time I have met the band, joey had always been the kindest to me and it’s just so heartbreaking that this has ended this way. I hope that joey will come out with a better apology to Lydia than the awful one he posted on IG.

[@hannahpendergrast301]

Joey's "apology" is so freaking insincere. Like i have no doubt it actually happened. I feel so bad for Billie because i know that Billie did not raise him to think that was okay. He should be immensely ashamed. There is no way he can justify this, or make it better. Yes, these are just "allegations" however i believe it. I think there's way more abuse in the music industry but its not reported. My heart goes out to Billie, because this is just shocking. Billie literally has tackled a guy by jumping off stage because he was harassing a girl. I think he should do the same to Joey. But that's just me. Also, if you look in the apology, he never even said that any of those allegations were false so yes i believe Lydia 100%. As much as i don't want to, its a gut feeling that Joey is totally guilty. Definitely not supporting SWMRS anymore. In my honest opinion Joey should be charged with rape. ik he wont be but he should. idc how long ago it was.

[@emotrash]

Calling them “cancelled” makes me a bit uncomfortable *only* because I read Lydia’s post and she *explicitly* said that she wasn’t trying to cancel anyone. I just have this really bad feeling that she is somehow going to get shit on even more if people start screaming that “SWMRS are cancelled!” and she really doesn’t deserve any of that.

[@Gunn27]

If they don't get cancelled should young innocent girls still attend their gigs and hang out with them then? You can't have it both ways.

[@emotrash]

Neil 27 Supporting them isn’t the only other option. You can simply *not* support them. Support Lydia and her statement instead. Countless people have been cancelled and barely been affected by it at all. Cancel culture isn’t working. If we really want change we actually need to make sure the people we cancel are deplatformed and not just given more attention. Like I said the *only* reason don’t like the word being used in this context at all is because in Lydia’s statement she explicitly stated that she wasn’t trying to cancel anyone. If she is still fine with it it doesn’t bother me either. It just feels sort of inattentive to read her statement and then immediately go “SWMRS are cancelled!”

[@Gunn27]

@@emotrash I honestly hate the cancel culture too but the guys come out and admitted the relationship with a minor, it's not up to her if people decide they don't support paedophiles. So if the general public just accept this and they may still play gigs and be in contact online with unassuming children it is negligent.

[@localabsurdist6661]

I will not support someone who claimed to be a feminist and abused his girlfriend. Sorry but it’s not her decision to make if people still listen to them or not. She posted her story and that’s the reaction.

[@emotrash]

pessimistic unicorn There was a reason I put “Cancelled” in quotations. I am *specifically* talking about using the words associated with cancel culture. No one has *ever* said that you should keep supporting them. I don’t know if you’ve read my previous replies, but like I’ve said; “canceling” them and supporting them are not the only two options. In fact, most of the time cancel culture doesn’t even work because people don’t do anything besides tweet out a hashtag and then, a while later, whoever’s been cancelled are virtually unaffected.

[@leonielps1]

I hope Billie didn't know that that was happening and I hope he's on Lydia's side. Poor boy by The Regrettes is 10× more powerful now and Lydia's speeches that she hold before singing the song are so empowering and its shocking to hear that that happened to her. I've met her before and she's just the most amazing and most positive person ever and I stand with her and she deserves justice.

[@shshu1shcj132]

Billie probably didn't know, since Joey hid so much about the relationship. He's also DEFINITELY on Lydias side, one time he literally beat up a guy at a Green Day concert for harassing a girl.

[@farrahschneider]

I've only heard of The Regrettes because of their connection with Wallows and honestly based off this controversy I strongly believe Lydia and I'm happy she spoke up about the situation. We need to remind ourselves that we can't expect things from people that'll let us down especially those who are celebrities that we love and admire.

[@tutdunsthemouse]

i discovered them because of lydia knight's feature on a gerard way track

[@FabulousKilljoy]

izzy startin yeah same

[@Alek.17]

The hypocrisy certainly made it worse but he made it even worse with his apology, and I didn't think that could be possible :/

[@taveontimmons5284]

Let me start by saying that you are absolutely right about not Idolizing your favorite artist. You should be careful who you look up to and always keep in my mind that the people we listen to could always be the opposite of who you think they are. I don’t look at me my favorite bands as flawless people, I think of them as everyday people who can make mistakes like everyone else. Now about the main issue, I don’t think SWMRS should be cancelled because I’m one of those guys who thinks everyone deserves a second chance, but they need serious help and they need to change. And just a quick little thought on Billie, I don’t think he should comment on this. Mainly because I think that’s taking away from the major issue and a lot of people are focusing on him, whether than on the person actually being accused. Joey is a grown man, and he should answer for himself.

[@mariana_greenday1039]

I'm a Green Day fan and I can recognize the band's mistakes. Billie has nothing to do with this.

[@taveontimmons5284]

Mariana - Green Day I honestly don’t think Billie (or anyone else in Joey’s family for that matter) knew just how far Joey’s relationship with Lydia was going.

[@mariana_greenday1039]

@@taveontimmons5284 i agree.

[@FabulousKilljoy]

Yeah exactly like Billie has no control over Joey

[@msbilliejoe17]

​@@FabulousKilljoyweil Joey erwachsen ist

[@pyroguee]

Billie once said "Ladies, if someone touches you and you dont want them to.feel free to punch them in the fucking face" and he jumped off stage and kicked that one guy. Im just mind blown that Joey would do something his father absolutely hates and i mean-

[@katmd03]

Billie also sexually harassed Gwen Stefani, so I wouldn’t say he detests it as much as you’d like to think

[@FabulousKilljoy]

Off-topic, but sweet Bayside shirt. I was actually thinking about buying one today haha

[@noahpauley]

Thank you for covering this Jon! I just did an insta live recording music and raising money for charity because I heard about this

[@alexs.1389]

not only was she underage but she was being groomed, manipulated and isolated which are all forms of abuse. i loved this band so much and Cole would always express how the shows were a safe space, but to know thst it was just an abuser and bystanders up there just ruined it. also ive been seeing more fans coming out about negative experiences like ppl making tons of art and doing everything the band/joey asked them to do and not getting payed etc or treated right (even tho they have tons of money). ppl also said max and joey talk crap about bands including twenty one pilots and seemed so narcissistic. they're all frauds and it makes me so sad

[@luisgerena1227]

Like he said....He grew up a super rich kid who probably never herd the word no in his whole life so I’m not surprised that something like this happened

[@mariana_greenday1039]

My report: I had a bad experience with Joey, too. In 2014, I made a no-offense joke with Joey, and several Green Day fans came to argue with me, until Joey saw my comment and defended the fan who had answered me. Joey blocked me on his instagram, I went on twitter to apologize and he blocked me on twitter too. Since 2014 I never liked him again. I have a great deal of his regret for just not understanding that it was a harmless joke, but he decided to block me without even letting me explain. I know no one is obliged to accept the jokes of others, but he simply blocked me on twitter for apologizing to him. I remember I had added it on facebook in 2013 and talked about some things, but in 2014 my concept I had of it, simply changed from water to wine. He's disgusting! I'll never be able to like him. This abuse he's committed, I'm not surprised, since I know his way.

[@ale6588]

what joke did u make it

[@L1GHTNINGSLAYER]

Literally who cares? Great story though

[@mariana_greenday1039]

@@L1GHTNINGSLAYER I just expressed a fact that happened to me, since the video is quoting the same person 🙄

[@L1GHTNINGSLAYER]

@@mariana_greenday1039 Cool your an obsessive fan who got butthurt about getting ignored ? Even though you "know his way". Fucking yikes report btw

[@mariana_greenday1039]

@@L1GHTNINGSLAYER I'm not an obsessive fan. It's not because Joey's my idol's son that I'm going to go blind and treat him well for being Billie's son. I'm not the kind of fan who puts the mistakes of idols aside just because I like him, I know how to recognize mistakes and defects. I treat Joey like a normal person and not the son of my idol.

[@duckyyyaj247]

They got me fooled. Although I think I’ve always had good intuition... it seems weird to be constantly preaching stuff that they clearly had no idea about. As a young woman, and a visible minority, I don’t need people like SWMRS posting the crap “woke” stuff like they did. It’s all to be cool and gain supporters. Sometimes keeping your mouth shut makes you more genuine than being outspoken. I’ve kinda forced myself to like SWMRS and bands associated and felt bad for not agreeing with them. Now I know I was right lol. Trust your intuition. The Regrettes are one of the only bands from the scene that make genuinely good music and I’m not just saying that because Lydia is in the band

[@error_4004]

They blocked me on twitter around the time their Berkeley's on Fire album came out 💀 I basically called them out as rich white boys who only got to where they were cuz of Joey's dad (BJA) and they were awful for taking radio time from Badflower who struggled for years to get air time on the radio. They hated to hear it and now they got called out for being the fake, "woke" privlaged boys that they are. (It was a twitter poll from a radio station page asking who should get air time. Mind you, Badflower was winning until Joey went on insta to tell their fans to overrun the poll.)

[@bahbaroni9955]

Calling for someone to get cancelled is like watching someone fall down the stairs.

[@alexcriddle8791]

This band has let me down greatly. I connected with their music very much and now I can't even bring myself to have anything to do with them. Lydia is very strong for doing this, thanks to Dylan and the rest of wallows for their support also.

[@Themoushtaceleague96]

9:40 - agreed 100%. Except for Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr, they are stand up people from what I’ve read/seen from people’s interactions. But I hope that Billy and his wife get through this. Screw his son, but I still love Green Day.

[@msbilliejoe17]

Man kann ja nicht Green Day dafür verantwortlich machen was ein Mitglied einer anderen Band getan hat ,nur weil es der Sohn ist...

[@JulesQ94]

I always found their “wokeness” to be a little cringey and forced. Turns out it was also super hypocritical

[@lodeddiperfan635]

im literally so dissapointed like i thought they were THE band. the band that would never say/do something stupid but,,,here we go again :')

[@cola7260]

All I can say is: if any physical abuse or sexual abuse happened in addition to the manipulation, I hope Lydia goes to authorities and gets the help she deserves. No one should be treated like that especially when they’re young, impressionable, and in a toxic industry.

[@maddiepit244]

i really wanna see a video about the entire burger records situation, i’ve seen a lot about it but i don’t fully understand it. i’ve been a regrettes fan for around 2 years and to see someone i idolize be put in this situation is heartbreaking and i want to know the truth about any musicians i might listen to.

[@shelbyrose5407]

i dont get it either. i thought swmrs was on fueled by ramen anyway.

[@kierstenboyd9228]

I just got into them. And now I can't support them anymore

[@alwaysoctober8635]

Same thing happened to me and McCafferty

[@sumayyahazhar5954]

@@alwaysoctober8635 what did McCaffrey do?

[@sophiet2849]

@@alwaysoctober8635 Yeah what happened?

[@sumayyahazhar5954]

@@thereverse-flash9942 why?

[@starylize]

AlwaysOctober same. i was getting into them and then i found out about nick. :/

[@themoley91]

Thanks for as usual having such a level-headed response. I’m not into either of these bands or that scene and all I saw yesterday was about Joey Armstrong being 22 and Lydia being 16 and then of course your typical twitter woke girls calling for his head and I was like eh that’s certainly a questionable relationship but not career-end-worthy, but I didn’t know the history of them positioning themselves as a ~woke feminist~ band or turning their fans against the Regrettes and yeah that’s scummy. In that case with how they market themselves I think yeah, it’s appropriate to go public with something like this. In a lot of other cases I wish they would just keep it between the people involved though, I’m getting to feel like I can’t get into new music because somebody is going to eventually come out against the a band member and I don’t want to put myself through that emotionally because I get very attached to my fave bands.

[@AlexJay124]

Read Lydias statement, it's not just the age gap. Joey pressured her into sexual acts like giving him oral sex and facetiming him when she was in the shower. He also manipulated her by guilt tripping her every time she pushed back by reminding her of all the opening slots and career opportunities he was giving her. He's trash.

[@themoley91]

Yeah I hadn’t seen that before watching this video. I saw more people freaking about the age gap than his behaviour, it should be the other way around.

[@b.sersiraven]

I’m not one for the cancel culture and neither am I a huge fan of either band involved although I do love them both. So, I’m not as informed on this whole issue to feel any type of way about this except disgusted at Joey’s actions. I still enjoy SWMRS songs, they are good at what they put out music wise and I’m never one to just avoid someone’s or some band’s songs just because they or a few members of their fucked up. Despite that, I really hate how Joey dated a minor and moreover, have the guts to abuse her in any form of way. I’m definitely not going to support them if I ever get the chance to, I’ll just stick to youtube whenever i listen to their songs.

[@nbd88811]

You are so right about not putting artists on pedestals, I’m so sick of this crap 😤

[@sprice2344]

When drive north came out i was 13, in my teen years I've held swmrs as my idols. They were saying the things that needed to be said. I genuienly thought they were, well, different. I've seen them in concert 4 times. Pretty much all of my key relationships have either been caused or stengthened by this band. They've lied to thier fans, they've completely mislead all of us

[@moby3104]

u r so respectful when talking about these things, props to u man

[@alexs.1389]

i dont think we should blame billie joe or jakob because even though they knew im sure they didnt know how abusive the actual relationship was. joey was already an adult and his son so i dont know how billie could even approach it. they weren't working with him or on tour with them either. i dont blame them i blame joey and swmrs.

[@GremlinBones]

I wonder how Billie Joe feels about Joey's situation. I can't stop imagining him lecturing Joey.

[@mariana_greenday1039]

Somewhat disappointed, and rightly so.

[@devynbrowne5239]

i remember the whole vocal rest drama going down on twitter. at the time, it really made me turn against lydia. not to the point where i unfollowed her or stopped listening to the regrettes or anything, i just got really suspicious about her. it makes me really sad that i ever felt that way, but at the time i just wanted to believe swmrs because they were one of my favourite bands, and i trusted them way too much. i feel so gross knowing that this band that constantly promised to support and look out for women, especially younger women like myself, was letting this happen behind the scenes. their support and activism was 100% performative, and it's really disgusting.

[@brandondimusic2465]

It’s so sad because Billie is a big voice for women’s rights and has even drop kicked somebody in the face for disrespecting a woman and his son goes and does this? God I feel so bad for Billie.

[@katmd03]

Billie Joe doesn’t care about women. He and Joey are both scum

[@jerryjellybean9298]

could you make a video discussing if we should separate the art from the artist when it comes to listening to music and your take on this topic?

[@aironnocturnal5365]

John, haven't overly vibed with your videos of late but think you did a fantastic job here! Good sensitive coverage of the situation

[@TrippleNineSIXBandOfficial]

Joey Armstrong is no Billie Joe Armstrong. Just be grateful Billie never got involved in anything like this, in fact he’s always stood firmly against the shit. I’m sure if he knew he gave Joey a warning, and if he didn’t it’s not his fault. He can’t control his adult son even if they live under the same roof, we have no control over anyone else but ourselves.

[@JeSsLoVeZ1817]

@@Gunn27 he was probably drunk/high. remember the whole rehab stint.

[@thevinylbird2269]

[Butthead voice] “Hey baybeh! You know Billy Joe from Green Day? Well that’s, like, my DAD. Hey, wanna check out this storage trailer with a mattress in it?”

[@kailifox1983]

I have to disagree with you about not putting them on a pedestal. I don’t exactly think you SHOULD put an artist on one but as people we have a moral right to expect other people to do the right thing. Your point almost makes it invalidating for us fans to be upset about the situation. We do not expect people to be perfect, but we SHOULD expect people to not be predators/bystanders to abuse. And fans in this situation have a total right to feel betrayed on it. It’s a little gaslighting to tell fans in this specific situation to not put artists on a pedestal. That’s not on us. That’s on the band manipulating all of us.

[@lifeisaparty]

Can we please get the tea on why your interactions with the Becker’s weren’t positive? They’ve always seemed like douches but I’d love to know lol

[@yourdad5931]

True, they always came off as cocky so I wanna see his experience with them

[@teemichael733]

parasocial relationships really have led to a messed up culture. i disagree with your take on “cancel culture”, because if it was a real thing then people would genuinely face consequences and i’m sorry but i so very rarely see that actually happen. men in their twenties who seek out relationships with teenagers are doing it because the power dynamic is so prevalent. they know what they’re doing and i just don’t trust them. we need to protect these girls and make it obvious that this isn’t okay-sixteen being the age of consent in any state does not mean it is suddenly morally fine for an adult to seek out a relationship with a teenager.

[@Taliavana]

6:51 Im glad im not the only one that noticed this !!! ALSO meanwhile a few swmrs fans that were close to the band cameout and exposed them for not getting paid for their artwork accordingly or not get compensated at all :/

[@Allhypenoheart]

Do you have a video talking about your interactions with max & Cole at all? I’m curious to see what they did/said.

[@DrTilt]

After reading through all of it, the most suprising thing is that the first SWMRS post is still up..

[@offonmyown]

I 100% believe Lydia and support her decision to speak out because that’s one less shitty, toxic band to follow. i’m disappointed, really, because I thought swmrs, a band local to me, was finally the one all-male band that didn’t have creeps or toxic fuckboys. their message and vibe was so refreshing and progressive and I felt good about supporting them because they were just what the scene needed. obviously, this turned out to not be the case, and makes me less likely to trust any band (esp. all-dude bands) with a progressive message going forward because you can never truly know if they actually practice what they preach. it sucks when bands I like get exposed but i’m glad to have the information so I’m not blindly supporting pedos and rapists. Joey’s statement today was so gross too because it was dismissive and ignorant of the issue, just more reason to quit supporting them.

[@jimmyfalopa]

Totally agree with the last message you gave to your audience, is the smartest thing you could say. We should stop putting aritsit on a pedastal, they are regular people that many times they will fuck up but also because we are giving them power that they can use over other people

[@JA-ls6pu]

Thank you for talking about this! I am disgusted at the fact that he went against what the band claimed to be standing for and the fact that everyone, but the fans knew about it and kept it secret. Even KZbinrs can make a better fake apology than Joey. I never praised them, but I did assume that since they claimed to be feminists, they wouldn’t do what Joey did. I’m not sure if I’ll be able to separate the art from the artist for them. And I hope that all victims of sexual harassment and assault receive the help they need.

[@themusicaljunkie37]

The label Burger Records played a legit role in my love for indie music and music writing... It broke my heart when i heard they were doing such horrendous bullshit..

[@Andie111]

What happened there with them? I heard about it and that it had to do with sexual harassment but I don't know the whole story

[@kayleighholmes4501]

i went to one of their shows and they talked about how they strive to keep women and girls safe in their concerts and to see all of this is truly disgusting to me knowing that he was doing this the whole time

[@sodagoth]

i think this is the first time that cancel culture actually worked

[@hiilary7194]

The creepiest comment I've seen is "are we sure she's telling the truth?" wait, what

[@AGrrrlsTwoSoundCents]

Lydia: this is what happened to me J*ey, the perpetrator: I DiSaGrEe MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

[@bgl1335]

I hope Billie joe says something

[@JrJrJrJrphD]

I disagree. He shouldn’t be expected to say something in public because of his famous status. This should be an issue between him and his son.

[@bgl1335]

JJ O’Connell good point but I just want to be reassured that he is not okay with this

[@MusicJunkie37]

@@bgl1335 I think Billie is sane enough to think this is unacceptable.

[@JrJrJrJrphD]

Helpthony Metano I think it’s pretty clear he wouldn’t be. At least I really hope so

[@beyondartv]

Nope, wrong. No one should be required to say anything just because they’re related, it’s a family affair. No one should have to cave to pressure and post something that’s private like that just bc of social media mobs.

[@seraphim_sounds]

After actually reading Lydia’s statement, I’m pissed off at Joey. You don’t make someone give u a hand job on a freezing cold boardwalk, etc. especially from a 16-y-o girl. That’s not right. Freaking spoiled rich 🤑 kids thinking they can do whatever they want! Not cool.

[@tylerpetersen9494]

I like SWMRS music. I met them when they came to SLC a few years ago. They seemed very cocky and ungrateful, so I’m not really surprised they are in this situation.

[@mywaterparksromance1822]

Berkeleys on fire really feeling like a comedy album now

[@benedettabartolozzi8624]

I am very late, but I want to express my opinion about this event with the awarness that I personally don't Know that really happened between Joey and Lydia. I am not shocked about the age difference, because in Italy it's common to see people with different ages have a relationship. Love is love, but only if there is respect and true feelings. In this case is clear to see a lack of these elements, that was an unhealty and an unequal relationship. I support Lydia and I think she really thought about this relationship and I believe she was very brave to share it publicy. If what she said is the truth, it will futher proof that the way people appear not always is like they are inside. I perfectly know Joey is Billie's son and even if Green Day is my favorite band, that information mustn't be used as a justification for his reckless behaviour. (Sorry if I made a mistake, I am not English)

[@Luvr_whor3]

What y'all thoughts on Destroy Boys' apologize/ response to this?

[@bloodyhaze2844]

Garbage. I didn't even know they had a damn response where even is it, I haven't seen it on their Instagram or anything.

[@ruthwest8090]

You talking about putting then on the pedestal reminds me of Idle Worship by Paramore.

[@FabulousKilljoy]

Yeah same.

[@lisalegato0109]

And Mister Superstar by Marilyn Manson. But sadly, he might go to prison soon.

[@georgeprice4212]

That’s why I don’t let a performer’s OFFSTAGE lifestyle affect their ONSTAGE appearance. And, honestly, I have yet to hear either of the two bands directly involved with this mess.

[@shshu1shcj132]

This is so sad....I can't imagine how Lydia feels. Especially when people still don't believe her. Joey is disgusting, Billie must be so disappointed....

[@madiqs7615]

I agree with everything you said. Very well said ♥️

[@drainedeyes4268]

This shit BLOWS my mind, thank you for covering this fairly.

[@pizzaopossum]

Instagram has been insane the past couple days. As a survivor, I have to support other survivors, but it sure is a hit in the gut reading about our whole scene being full of monsters ☹️ I’m sure how I feel is nothing compared to what these girls are dealing with. I’m just so disappointed and heartbroken because it’s not just one band; it’s SO MANY BANDS with victims coming forward 😭

[@invisibilly1946]

This one hurt

[@eyvweblog]

somehow i've been watching this channel for 6 months and only now am i finding out this is a secondary channel...

[@beyondartv]

Haha! Well, now you know

[@matthewwall3294]

I was kind of confused about this situation (because in the UK this is perfectly legal, because she is 19 and Joey is 25 but if it was before she was 18 it is illegal) thanks for clearing it up

[@chloen7824]

From the time I saw SWMRS open for All Time Low , I got really bad fake vibes from them. They tried WAY to hard to try to act feminist and I never trust those type of men.

[@korarain8190]

Bruh wtf? I used to be such a huge fan of swmrs. I loved Miley, Hannah, do you got a car, Berkeley is on fire, lose lose lose, lose it, figuring it out, and north drive so much... to find out that they allowed this behavior and this person to do these actions makes me sick. I can’t listen to their music the same again. I love the regretted too, I didn’t even know Billie Joe Armstrong’s son was in SWMRS!! Anyways, absolutely disgusting, I hope they take full accountability and quit acting like such an advocate for the very things they go against themselves.

[@GreenDayBJAS2]

I was a huge fan of both bands and reading Lydia's statement crushed me. It shows that you really don't know the musicians you look up to, huh? Anyway, all power and strenght to her, I hope she can heal from this. I love her and I'm with her.

[@anna-lena7333]

I don’t know but this thing is not getting off my mind. I’m just so so disappointed because the band and their „values“ meant so much to me. There was a long time in which I wished that the boys I know would be as woke and feministic as them.... kind of like role models for our society. I have been to their show in Frankfurt in 2016 where the regrettes were the supporting band. I came across them that way. According to what Lydia said this has to be exactly during the time the abuse and „relationship“ happened which is hard to think about because I can recreate the evening very detailed in my head and also because Lydia is my age.

[@islandrebelmakeup4653]

I was wondering if you’d make a video about this.

[@emenemesisofene0079]

I normally don't really get much into the private lives of the musicians, but hell i can't stand the whole hypocritical position in this case, its completely unfair to Lydia and any other girl who ever went to see them

[@piefort99]

Another band pretty much confirmed that some wack shit was going on because Lydia came to em

[@berend3451]

Destroy Boys?

[@piefort99]

@@berend3451 yeh

[@824-q4l]

wdym?

[@berend3451]

@@824-q4l destroy boys is a band

[@824-q4l]

@@berend3451 oh but what happened?

[@catie7466]

fuck man this one pushed me over the edge. like i just want to stop feeling unsafe all the time. it's exhausting. some men dont seem to understand that if you do anything to make a girl feel uncomfortable, you are doing more than causing discomfort in that one moment. you are piling up on a long list of creepy experiences she's already had. sometimes it's just another creep in your DM's. sometimes it's more and there's unwanted pictures (i was 13 the first time i got one of those). sometimes it's a man in public staring at you while jerking off. sometimes it's years of an abusive relationship. sometimes it's a drunk guy ignoring your tears and ignoring the word "no." and now it's this. finding out a band i loved, a musical family i considered a safe space, is just as fucked up as the rest of them. im so sorry lydia. im sorry i supported them. thank you for being so brave.

[@bloodyhaze2844]

This was beautiful and tragic... I'm so sorry. This is why I'm always so paranoid and even just to leave the house alone.

[@Andie111]

I'm just curious did all that really happen to you?

[@themagicminstrels476]

It's almost like people just act woke to appeal to people

[@jamncat92]

I'm still shook with what happened. I get what you are saying about not putting them on pedestals. However, bands should do what they preach. I admired them for how talented they were and have gotten to know a few of them throughout the years. For me, I didn't put them on a pedestal, but I'm still annoyed. Artists are human as well, so we should treat them like anyone else. I've been a fan since 2010 and have several photos with Joey and all of the band. Honestly, from my few interactions with the band, I can see how this all got pushed under the rug. Just... wow. It's been a few weeks and I still haven't put all the words to my feelings.

[@HaunaMyKiki]

Agreed. We shouldn't place bands or any other public figure on pedestals, but at the same time it should be _expected_ of them to not be gross! There's a fine difference between someone who said something stupid and learned from their mistake (which face it, we've _all_ done that), versus someone who flat-out commits a felonious act and makes a half-assed apology that is so transparently obvious they only made because they got caught.

[@VeteranTrack]

This one hurts the most. I live in Oakland and have been to 4 of their concerts because I genuinely liked their music and what they stood for. As for the Frights and Mikey, oddly enough there was rumors of him around Oakland and from Gillman for years saying that he was with underage girls, not sure how accurate the multiple girls rumor was, but now we know of one. This scene is really terrible and I hope this shows the power dynamic these bands have over their fans because at this point you just never know what people are capable of.

[@tarotfiend]

I will always stand with Lydia

[@toastlover555]

I always knew something would happen with that band... I just knew it.