The slow, suffocating death of female sports

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[@TacseraEpSekahs]

I actually really like Aba&Preach take on this problem. "If there is no advantages in sex, then why do we hear so much about trans women breaking records in female sport, but nothing about trans man breaking records in male sport?"

[@michaelsorensen7567]

Better question: if there's no advantage to sex in sports, why have separate leagues AT ALL?

[@MeanBeanComedy]

@@LostinArtKit Ew, gross! Seriously??

[@TacseraEpSekahs]

@@LostinArtKit but have you really heard what they were saying?) They had a position, why it actually wasn't as bad as everyone is thinking. And they also had a discussion with D'Angelo about it, where both sides of view were heard and explained.

[@celestialmajesty2053]

@StraightWhiteMale you did not build the world you dominated it there's a damn difference

[@gliscaradu1424]

@@celestialmajesty2053 don't feed the troll

[@bitterbetty.9667]

“We just want to be accepted for who we are.” They said. “Women have nothing to worry about”. They said. “Women won’t miss out or be affected”. They said. “Don’t be silly, we’re not going to compete in sports.” They said.

[@EmmersonSprocket]

It's called "gaslighting".

[@ds29912]

Don't worry well never ask for abortions after 23 weeks. Don't worry well never remove men from their children's lives.

[@SandraNLN]

@@ds29912 Well...Some men should be removed from their child's lives. So not sure what you're getting at there

[@phantom8926]

I feel nothing for them. They wanted to be at the top but now they're having loopholes thrown at them and seeing what men tried to warn them about for years. Let them learn the hard way.

[@Macheako]

@@SandraNLN lol enjoy trans men in sports 😂✌️👌

[@HebrewHammerArmsCo]

The saddest part is, Kids in High school are being taught this is all 100% OK....

[@bigfan1816]

Yep

[@miboogaroo]

Tragic

[@asarishepard8171]

Yeau this generation is getting screwed

[@bohemianvegan]

I feel for the younger generation. I went back to school recently, and the stuff that is being taught in the universities is scary. They are totally pro-LGBT, so much that they silence and cancel anyone who questions what causes sexuality and gender dysphoria. They say gender is on a spectrum. Abortion is just a choice. Evangelical Christians are the enemy of a tolerant society...One of my professors went on NPR to praise Critical Race Theory and said that Evangelicals are against CRT and they are the enemy.

[@tomsweeney9798]

I’m lucky my pe teachers old as so me and my mates can talk to him about how backwards this is

[@maxhydekyle2425]

I remember a few years ago reading comments saying that eventually the increasing acceptance of anyone who just calls themselves trans would result in men eventually identifying as women and taking over female spaces. At the time I thought it was a bit silly, why would a man change his entire life just to win medals or something like that. Now I've seen that happen multiple times. I really feel awful for female athletes who have worked their asses off for years to be the best of the best, only to get beaten by a trans woman.

[@kathrynpriestley3152]

It’s not just sports anymore.

[@poisenbery]

*man there's no such thing as a "trans" woman.

[@zzodysseuszz]

@@poisenbery literally

[@twilightsparkle75]

the reason shouldve been obvious. there are men who are sacks of trash and cannot stand the fact they arent the best. so if they are given a chance to completely dominate and NOT be vilified for it? those trash bags would totally do it. just look at the Seinfeld episode where Kramer joins a martial arts class and just beats the crap out of a bunch of 10-13 year old children because he has like 30 or 40 years on all those kids.

[@308dad8]

I never thought it a silly concept. I knew years ago this would be an avenue exploited by subpar male “competitors”

[@keithpost2409]

It was all over when they started giving the ,"woman of the year award" to biological men. Identifying as who you want to be... doesnt make you that. Wierd thing about reality...it's not subjective !

[@davidcunningham1289]

I remember when that was a gag from "parks and recreation"

[@grizzlybear2702]

When your enemy makes a mistake don’t help them. Why should I white knight for the same people who say all men are toxic and try to tear men down with affirmative action quotes. I fully support what trans community are doing because those man hating feminist deserve what they are getting.

[@biglinz9459]

@@grizzlybear2702 Man hating feminists may deserve it but not regular women. Don't hate on all women because of some feminazis.

[@Wookie120]

Agreed, You either ARE, or You Aren't.

[@grizzlybear2702]

@@biglinz9459 all men are demonized as r@pists based on what a tiny minority has done. And women have asked to be treated like men so I’m happily doing that. Besides cis white woman are the most privileged organism that ever existed in the universe.

[@Dalbert342]

The fact no trans man wants to play in mens sports says everything I need to know on the subject.....they should have their own competitions

[@skknireeker9073]

Its about that they are technicaly allowed to if they do wish so

[@aaronbozack830]

@@skknireeker9073 well why would they when they have a clear edge on the biological females why would they go against other men when they can play in womans sports and dominate.

[@skknireeker9073]

They dont, but its about that they are technically alowed to if they wish so.

[@Raharu95]

I think there are some. But unlike the other side, they are not breaking records. From what i've seen at least

[@gregajohnson1985]

what? you mean Mulan wasn't a documentary? im stunned.

[@aquamanGR]

Skeletal size, bone density, heart size, lung size, the list goes on. I wonder how they can claim "there is no scientific case" that trans women have an advantage....

[@FerrowTheFox]

In biology we have this term "sexual dimorphism", i.e. the difference in appearance of males and females of the same species. It's beyond my comprehension how some folks can say that there's no difference between the sexes when we clearly see the EXACT thing with pretty much every other species!

[@aquamanGR]

@@FerrowTheFox Exactly! If there were no such thing then why are there separate categories for men and women in sports to begin with!?

[@nixusthefurry]

@@FerrowTheFox I had to do Bio for my forensic science and antrhopology and arch degree. I really am starting to think its either deliberate or these people are really this fucking stupid. have we really advanced so much that THIS is the main problem of our society? Gods are laughing at us and noming their divine popcorn leemiie tell ya

[@vaeldrnero6251]

First they said that race is made up and it has no biological importance. Everyone in the west bought it. Now they’re telling you the same about sex. And you’re buying that too.

[@technoloverish]

@@FerrowTheFox That's biological sex, not gender identity, which is a social construct.

[@raisti6608]

The Argument "There is no significant differences between Genders" is the ultimate slap in the Face for Women in Sports. Because between the Lines, this basicly says: "They dont try hard engough".

[@themacocko6311]

PS. I'm just being political. no real offence to women...

[@TheMalf1978]

Engough? Lol

[@khurgar8120]

@Natasha Warden This is probably the worst analogy I have ever read.

[@Smeiksmeiksmeik]

@@khurgar8120 why?

[@shurieai8698]

Even a woman tries hard, she can’t have a p**** it’s biology T.T lol,

[@BeccaBuckLebowski]

My solution for this issue: The simple thing, I, as an autistic person, am being told quite often. " *You can't expect society to accommodate ALL your "special needs".* " See, it's that simple. There's no need for them to compete in professional sports.

[@champ1159]

Facts

[@bxabi0]

Yes, or if they want to, they can compete in men sports.

[@danielgillooly2748]

Shoot I wanted to play pro basketball at 14y.o. and my dad was like "son, I'm 5'5". you're 5'9", and you're not gonna get much taller, you're not gonna dunk on Shaq, ever. Try soccer, but go to college or learn a trade in case it doesn't work out" Mufuga was right 😂 I can build sheds, do roofing, and do floors for rich people like Shaq now lmao

[@DeadpoolX9]

Does that mean theres no need for us to be present in academia?

[@champ1159]

@@danielgillooly2748 Noice

[@sadimasochist4543]

I love how feminism has gone full circle to having men dominate everything again. Good Job!

[@XmassWraith]

But they had to get rid of their nuts first.

[@voxelfusion9894]

@@XmassWraith zuby didn’t lol

[@XmassWraith]

He’s the exception, not the rule. The rule is... we all gotta cut our nuts off and those who don’t must date those who did. That’s gonna be the revised first and second amendment.

[@waeulbr]

EXACTLY !! We're going back to the time you can't say no to a penis otherwise you're transphobe and can't say no to competition against a fucking Hulk otherwise you're transphobe

[@kylxlxnxdwxrds1856]

@live fornight wtf is terf

[@brettviddal1593]

I identify as a billionaire. Any bets on how the courts will decide when I sue the banks for denying me my rights as a billionaire?

[@sdzyde7482]

As soon as you said that, I immediately thought of Ron Burgandy’s “The human torch. Was denied. A bank loan.” Lol

[@bodhitree33]

Oh you know they owe you mad interest.

[@420Effect]

And I identify as a firefighter, I get all the social points without having to actually fight any fires. My friend with no music experience identifies as a successful DJ, he too gets a lot of the benefits of being a successful DJ but without doing any work or having any talent, its okay he simply identifies as hard working and talented, but unfortunately being a Trans-DJ is incredibly difficult, you see not only is has he not landed any gigs despite clearly identifying as successful but now his land lord discriminating against him asking for money! So I was curious how did identifying as rich work? I think it will be hard to prove he is a rich man yet also a victim when in reality he is definitely neither

[@theparrot6516]

This is pretty transphobic ngl

[@hydrolito]

Put that on your tax return and see how that does not help you.

[@rockstonedread]

Motorcyclists that identifies as a bicyclist sets new Tour de France record!

[@doktormcnasty]

There's the famous case of someone identifying as an attack helicopter. I'm thinking I might be an attack helicopter too, actually. My pronouns would be whug whug whug whug whug and ratatatatatatatatatatattatat!!!

[@FrostBiteArt]

@@doktormcnasty i identify as a corpse and my pronouns are was/were

[@Mnds-b4f]

@@FrostBiteArt that’s funny af 🤣🤣🤣

[@dianalove539]

@@FrostBiteArt Were died a couple days ago. Was not alive to celebrate weres birthday. So sad. - is that how I would do it?

[@Limpsx12]

I’ll fly a jetplane and identify as a cyclist so I can do even better

[@dscharlesworth1]

"Dudes aren't chicks and chicks aren't dudes." This quote is brought to you by me.

[@queenkoi]

👏❤

[@harbingertheheretic3541]

Tell the feminists.

[@alexrode7858]

Thanks for the quote

[@travelbugse2829]

You're the next Harry Stottle.

[@AguilarEstela]

Thank u for the insightful/eloquent quote😜🤣👍👍👍

[@Steel_]

"10 transgender athletes explain why its fair to compete" 10 oil barons tell you why fracking is good for the environment. 10 burglars tell you why you shouldn't use lockboxes. 10 scalpers* tell you why price gouging is actually good. Take your pick, I got more.

[@eikbike]

Give us MORE!!!

[@BlaseHenryProductions]

Yes, I would like to see more please!

[@CreativeCreatorCreates]

This is good. Real...real...good!

[@quincannon6275]

I would argue fracking tho can be argued in the positive, leads to us being energy independant and exporting oil rather than importing it

[@CyberEditing]

More? OK..... 10 wolves & a sheep, 10 gang rapists & a victim 10 dead Democrat voters and a conservative.....

[@GOAT-pi3gl]

A Cat doesn’t approve of Men in Women’s sports.

[@larryoak8903]

Finally a cat I like!

[@yumjoystyle2]

@Claire yeah it is

[@againstallevens8512]

Good cat.

[@Kuricapitalist]

Equality of Outcome is a real bitch to society. Mainly because they’re pushing for an impossible standard to uphold.

[@speedibusrex]

@Claire CIA cat.

[@steveprice638]

Every time I hear this subject, I find myself wondering why the ladies turn up. Don't compete. Just say no. Make a stand. Because a trans athlete winning a gold medal against no competition has no victory to celebrate. I appreciate that this is difficult for women but we men cannot do this for you. Hubbard is a case in point. Let him compete alone. Let him pretend he's won. Eventually he will tire of the pretence.

[@christineheck6658]

If women stood together and refused to compete, they would have a chance to turn this around.

[@markgreenway7651]

But dude gotta compete too kinda cunty to remove him from male and female sport, should just have her compete against dudes

[@steveprice638]

@@markgreenway7651 yes, but then he - sorry, she - says that its not fair as she's a girl ! He used to be a male weightlifter. He still is.

[@chakravartin3356]

@Steve Price they can't just refuse to compete. They were threatened to lose their job. This issue was exist in indie wrestling. So apparently, intergender wrestling was trending in indie wrestling world few years ago (and probably still). A lot of female wrestler who disagree with intergender wrestling will be kicked out of the show. And since indie wrestling is a complete scripted, they usually let the women win as their payment for contributing the trend. while they have equal payment, many women wrestler still feels discouraged because they know they've been played, they can't win out of pure strength, only can win if the script let them. but threatened to lose their job if they refuse to participate. Someone on twitter calling this issue, but people start cherrypicking women like chyna, etc. As few example of women can compete against men in wrestling, while in fact, women who can do that probably just 1 : 20 in general. And people bullying this guy too, saying he was misogynist because limiting women opportunity against men, while it's kinda ironic since many women wrestler don't want to participate in intergender wrestling but they can't and obviously, their choice were limited and their voice ignored

[@steveprice638]

@@chakravartin3356 you're talking about professional and clearly scripted public entertainment. Athletes have much more to lose by inaction.

[@eldictator1]

The fact a mediocre 40 year old transitioned and became a world championship medal level pretty much shows up the whole thing

[@KM-zn3lx]

Plus did he really transition? His armpits weren't shaven.

[@tsunamitube3351]

@@KM-zn3lx 😂😂

[@kathleenhensley5951]

That is the whole point. These are men who couldn't compete with fellow men, so hey, why not bully the women? "They will have to shut up and bow to us because we are Victims." Well played, gentlemen, but not admirable... .

[@katakisLives]

Makes a mockery of all the great athletes who achieved the records of the past when they're smashed by some dude who couldn't cut it in his own division

[@dieSpinnt]

This shows exactly ONE case. That is also a fact! Normally you (not Sidney, news reporting is important, not Glitterball personally, but you ... the people) don't give a shit about trans people. They are so unimportant and rare. Now, when it comes to world-class athletes who are many times rarer and extraordinary people, does that suddenly matter? Let people who have a clue decide about it, such as scientists and the athletes themselves. You are just a bigot and we really don't need any more hypocrisy. Oh wait: pointless debates by amateurs without a clue are also important. These keep you from doing other stupid things with your pitchfork, for example. All of this is of course meant to be satirical. P.S.: Oh, and why stop there? Why don't we also ban people who fall out of the norm and thus have an unfair advantage over others?(That is btw. what makes a human being to be world class). How about Usain Bolt or Sally Pearson with their extraordinary cardiovascular system? We really shouldn't put our pitchforks away again anytime soon after the torches are burning ... Sarcasm aside, there should really be 4 categories in certain sports. Otherwise it's unfair (everyone is talking about male-to-female transsexuals, but according to your logic, female-to-male transsexuals are even worse off). And don't get so artificially excited, medals and titles are usually revoked very quickly. Even in retrospect (Lance Armstrong, Tonya f'ing Harding, all "honorable" athletes). Oh and please, people, take a breath again. In the end it is not Sydney, you or I who decide, but the Olympic Committee. They don't give a shit about KZbin:)

[@mihaitha]

What the hell are you talking about Sydney?!? I never had a problem outrunning my older brother! Especially if I managed to knock him out of his wheelchair first!

[@freewyvern707]

Oh god

[@Thetalkingblanket]

Had me in the first half. Not gonna lie.

[@MahoraAcademyOfficial]

I caught the joke a bit too late. Good job lol.

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

I'm laughing to hard at that!

[@SeaOfTides]

Now this is podracing!

[@arianimations7832]

Older brother here, can confirm: never lost a race to my sister

[@harbingertheheretic3541]

Feminists would say that she needs to train harder.

[@watermelonspice513]

That literally means nothing

[@MarcelPolman]

My sister was hella fast when whe was young. I lost or simply kept up until puberty.

[@michaelcarney6280]

I never lost a race to my older sister

[@michaelcarney6280]

@@MarcelPolman Don't mean to offend but where you a large kid or just terrible at running?

[@bobzeepl]

I am literally skin and bone, especially now that I have trouble eating after Corona. And I can overpower my wife when wrestling for fun, every single time (shorter, probably like 20 kilos heavier). I am almost 40 so probably not really high on testosterone anymore. I don´t do any sports and she does. It´s just an unfair competition.

[@germanshepherddog732]

I used to know a giant in high school she was 6 foot 8 and 400 pounds I am only 180 and just shy of 6 foot one day my friends were on a similar topic about gender and stuff i always hang around a political crowd and they said the winner between us would get 10 dollars now I have never played a sport in my life I'm a couch potato yet I won I don't know how anyone could see this as fare even with hormone therapy.

[@kateshiningdeer3334]

@@germanshepherddog732 Thanks for sharing that! It's a good example (that should be shared all over the place!) showing that even with that massive difference in height and weight, you still won.

[@ms-ht1cj]

because you have thicker bones and she has more fat

[@daniellebrogden]

The whole point of separating male and female sports in the first place is exactly because of biological differences! I mean what other acceptable reason could there be now in 2021? It's for the same reason they separate by weight class in fighting. Imagine them claiming that separating by bodyweight in fighting is somehow 'body/fat shaming' and should therfore be abolished... 🙄 I suggest they create their own sports league where 'gender identity' is the basis for division and see how that plays out

[@rodiusmaximus]

just like the Paralympics has different divisions for blind people and amputees. They could have trans athletes who still have their junk and 'amputees'.

[@cerberus2914]

Don’t give them any fucking ideas m8

[@knokname6466]

What is a "Laurel Hubbard"? It's what you get when you're not man enough to play in the real world.

[@fae1283]

@Dan Theman I've watched an animation on how they perform surgery to their penises. Apparently they sorta like, cut a hole at the area a little bit above it(?) and like, tuck the penis inside and sew it in Its much more complicated than that but thats pretty much a summary of what I watched

[@cedric7751]

@@fae1283 i have seen the video too and can't unsee it even if i poke my eyes with red hot needles :(

[@JacksonTaylorandTheSinners]

It’s not “arguably”… Men LITERALLY have physical advantages for sports. We are in absolute 🤡 world. This is heartbreaking for talented, driven and disciplined WOMEN who’ve dedicated their lives to compete at the top levels that their biology will support. Disgusting as well.

[@mrd7649]

When a man up and decides he's transgender, and proceeds to immediately smash records right and left with performance that's mediocre for men's sports, I don't see how you can say otherwise.

[@frankvonfrauner]

@@mrd7649 of course his numbers will be mediocre, he's taking estrogen

[@jazzabighits4473]

I thought feminism was all about equality? Now that there are men in your sports, you're having a sook? So feminism doesn't want equality, it wants special treatment? Lmfao I'm sitting back and enjoying the hypocrisy of you femitards and transdelusionals. Enjoy Big Bertha taking all of your medals, just remember you're the one who voted for the idiots who support him pretending to be a woman.

[@systematic101]

They were mediocre before the estrogen

[@JacksonTaylorandTheSinners]

@@systematic101 they couldn’t come close to competing with other men.

[@sankadill]

Surprisingly no “feminists” talk about the issue of men winning in women’s sports 💁🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@toxicsugarart2103]

A lot actually do talk about it, they just get shunned or silenced for being “transphobic”

[@thezenable]

Radical feminist do talk about that and they are mad. Liberal feminist on the other hand are the problem. In the name of inclusion they don't see that other women are losing their own rights.

[@chrisneon1220]

They are women

[@josephjackson4312]

@@toxicsugarart2103 Yeah, it would be what is referred to as trans exclusionary feminists, or terfs. Not that i care for feminists of any kind, but terfs get a lot of hate among lefties to the point where maybe they have been mostly scared off and are now too afraid to come out as terf.

[@doug1863]

Don’t the femanazis say there is NO DIFFERENCE between men and women?

[@EuroGuy85]

Update: Laurel Hubbard chosen as female athlete of the year by New Zealand for “her” hard work at the Olympics; not winning or anything, just showing up!

[@Blackgeoff1]

Yeah, he got beat by that big Chinese chick. I thought it was hilarious.

[@SA-dx5sx]

All female weightlifters in the heavy weight division need to boycott.

[@bornok3653]

TOTALLY AGREE

[@mayowankenobi]

All female athletes should boycott any sports where transgenders have been accepted. I’d consider boycotting the entire Olympic event.

[@mi5jason]

Absolutely, it’s disgusting 🤢 🤮 that this is happening

[@CryptoSurfer]

Realistically, all the women are competing for the silver medal. What a letdown for the real women who spend some much time, effort, and energy training to compete in the Olympics

[@lainiwakura1776]

Exactly. Either by sitting out or taking some roids.

[@roccprofit]

One of the biggest problems with the current transfad movement is that the ideology is completely incoherent. They say that they need to "transition" for the mental well being of those in that situation and then say that no one should have a problem with it because there is no difference between men and women... It's all a social construct... Really? Then what are you "transitioning" to if there is no difference and why? Transition into the same thing? That's not actually a transition. They also try to say that men can have periods. If you believe that you need a biology lesson or two because you clearly don't understand why that happens and why it only happens to those called female. Interesting to note that a lot of the people who have lived the trans lifestyle for decades say that the current transfad movement doesn't speak for them... I wouldn't want my lifestyle to be associated with such nonsense either.

[@DarknessIsThePath]

They claim men can have periods and get pregnant because they identify as men after the transition, that's literally their only logic.

[@authorjoannawhite]

This. Is. Truth.

[@ascrassin]

i feel like for a portion of then it's mostly that they don't recognise themselves in gender social norm that are created by the system (colour preference, character ...) and the others it's really that they suffer from gender dysphoria somthing that more and more studies show that it is due to difference in brain developement the problem is we don't know the causes of these difference and if these causes are valid on all cases(allimentation could be one) because if these cause are avoidable. and we abolish all gender norm that don't anchor themselves in science(sport separation is not one of them but we could make it not about gender using strict physiological criteria)then maybe there would be less cases and people would feel better in their skin. there is also the fraud that claim there are that for advantage but we can't do anything about them

[@liamhain2155]

I seriously never understood how men can have periods and how people pointing this out are automatically transphobic. Like... did they skip their biology lessons or something? It's ridiculous. 🙄

[@danielgillooly2748]

@@liamhain2155 lol I want someone to start a transphobix merch line I don't mind being called that at all anymore Nobody is afraid of these people

[@owengreig1088]

Sydney: "I'd like to unsubscribe to this time period." Me: "When you find the button, let me know."

[@emmau777]

Please, let me know too.

[@nathansingleton7532]

lemme know to pls

[@midgetydeath]

Me, too. I was born into the wrong time period. I belong in the 41st millennium.

[@user-ez8le1rp3x]

I love this time period. I can be a loser by playing videogames instead of drinking alcohol or abusing drugs.

[@vihaandas4346]

Finds the button: kalm Its a loaded gun: PANIK

[@DistantKingdom]

just rebrand sports with "male" and "female" divisions, which is the reason women's sports exists at all. problem solved its interesting how you never hear of transmen dominating mens sports. wonder why that is the case

[@madkent_]

Or xx and xy to avoid all confusion for these people

[@anthonystaikos8134]

Personally I think they should make a trans male and trans female divisions of sport that is separate from male and female divisions

[@Firejoker54]

@@anthonystaikos8134 Nice. I can't wait to see only 2 people compete

[@maxhydekyle2425]

There's one case I've heard of. A trans teenager wanted to join the male wrestling team because he identified as a male, and they wouldn't let him (this is in Texas.) Eventually they allowed him to join the male wrestling team and division and he did quite well. Not dominant, but he won a good amount of matches.

[@danielroden9424]

@@madkent_ reee thats ...genetics...ist! down with chromosomes!

[@bluefang62]

The thing that really gets me about this whole thing, that everyone always seems to ignore, is that it's always transwomen trying to get into women's sport. It's NEVER transmen trying to get into men's sports. That alone should tell you that it's not a good idea. Biological men have more muscle mass then biological women. That's why men and women's sports are separated in the first place. It's not that complicated.

[@skknireeker9073]

But its about that born female woman are technicaly absolutely allowed to compete in man teams. They usually dont meet the requirements, but technicaly they are allowed

[@paige967]

There are quite a few trans men in men's sports, and trans women loose alot of that muscle mass once they start HRT, it could take up 2 years but they loose alot of muscle mass

[@dairoleon2682]

@@paige967 1. Name a few. 2. How are they doing? Is their participation even relevant, let alone annihilating the competition as when the reverse is true?

[@caioteixeira1541]

Men and women sports are separated even when it "doest make sense". For example eSports have both male and female separate category, and even CHESS have a separated women's world championship. I mean in eSports and in chess THERE IS "NOTHING" that justifies the separation. I wonder why feminists dont talk about it 🤔🤣

[@dexter_por]

@@skknireeker9073 GUESS WHY THEY DON'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, EINSTEIN

[@Vixxing21]

If testosterone isnt an unfair advantage why is it considered "doping" and "cheating"?

[@are_ya_wynning_son]

Hey there! Trans people know that higher levels of testosterone generally correlate to higher levels of performance. That's why even though trans people have technically been allowed to go to the Olympics since 2004, nobody but Laurel Hubbard's ever made it in: she had to undergo strenuous testing in order to make sure that her levels were comparable to women who were assigned so at birth. These rules make it so that some biological women have higher testosterone levels naturally than trans women would be allowed to, and tests/rules like these why trans women don't overwhelm these sports, even though it may feel like they should.

[@Vixxing21]

@@are_ya_wynning_son It dosent matter if his testosterone level is zero or minus 10 He still have +40kg of muscelmass and will lift easily close to double the weight of the silvermedalist...

[@are_ya_wynning_son]

@@Vixxing21 Actually, on the necessary amount of hormone therapy, muscle mass goes down to levels which are attainable by natal women, and sometimes lower. It depends on the individual.

[@Vixxing21]

@@are_ya_wynning_son Wanna bet 10.000$ on the winner you can pick anyone but him and ill pick him? (Put your money where your mouth is!)

[@are_ya_wynning_son]

@@x8Pukaluka8x Study talking about which part of my comment? Sorry, not sure which part you're critiquing.

[@GenXPower]

The really sad thing about this situation is that this caused the woman that he replaced to retire. They let a man kick a woman out of woman's sports for..... uh...... inclusion?

[@skknireeker9073]

Shes not a man, its that a woman kicked out another woman because she performed better. Thats like every competition - somebody better comes around and you have to retire

[@GenXPower]

@@skknireeker9073 Well, looks like I am going to throw a wig on and go take all of the USPA women's records, because... science!!! I am a girl if I say I am! What a silly world we live in. I wonder if this is what the feminists had in mind when they said they wanted to be equal to men.

[@javierortiz82]

At this point, it's a participation trophy.

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

@@skknireeker9073 seperate women competitions were made with the sole purpose of not having to compete with men. When you said 'Untill someone better comes along' you did not intend to include men in that someone, but they are included. Basically if you want to put the whole thing on simple competition, you should create one competition were anyone is allowed to compete. Edit: annoying typo

[@skknireeker9073]

@@sjonnieplayfull5859 woman are still not competing with men. Because transwoman are just woman. Its still Female versus female!

[@andrewlarkin3074]

When Hubbard was a man he was a fairly ordinary weightlifter, now as a women she's world class that alone tells you something. She shouldn't be competing

[@ShivaServer2009]

No, he shouldn't.

[@coroianudavid33]

@@ShivaServer2009 bro like your 12 pls dont whatch these videos cuz you'll end up radicalised and I was there. just ignore this till you're older

[@Wounded_Asclepius]

@@coroianudavid33 being normal is radical now??? bruh its fucking obvious that the only reason he identifies as trans is because he wants an easy victory

[@curtisharlow6373]

@@ShivaServer2009 she

[@amandakazmark9107]

@@curtisharlow6373 he. Born male…..he should compete based on birth certificate….not fair.

[@janetredshaw4077]

When a man takes hormones, and he is now a she, her hand size does not get smaller. In basketball that is an advantage.

[@imperialphoenix1229]

And any kind of fighting, not to mention they stay as tall, which helps in 90%+ of sports

[@jamesgennaro9679]

And they still have the increased muscle mass and their body still produces testosterone while they're taking hormone therapy which helps make you stronger and grow muscle with less effort.

[@averagedemocrat9546]

@@jamesgennaro9679 Oestrogen inhibites testosterone production on its own. Not to mention that medication designed to specifically block test production are usually also taken. Taking oestrogen will also cause your muscle mass to start to atrophy down to a level more common with biological women.

[@Ken-tc3nq]

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken

[@name-vi6fs]

@Clinton Reisig or heart size.

[@spear200head4]

Its a massive slap in the face to ladies who have dreamed their whole life to be a champion in their sports to have a dude come in and take some pills and say yeah nah im gonna take your spot

[@antonkovalenko364]

Be honest - we all knew that this was coming back when a man won woman of the year and the regressives celebrated with thunderous applause.

[@BlackWestCoast]

🤣🤣🤣😂 the fuuuuck?

[@eldritchsheep6801]

so this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause

[@AgeRestrictTheInternet]

Paplatine called it

[@bennyvermeulen7255]

In the eighties we laughed with the scene of the movie ‘Top Secret’ we’re they showed a East German women sports team. They were bulky men dressed in women clothes with wigs, so here we are.

[@danavidal8774]

Yep, here we are, trying to force trans men to compete against women BC they were born female even when they are now are bulky men, Also is funny that u people only critize hubbard for looking bulky....in halterofilia, everyone there looks like bulky men, Lydia Pérez, m g charon and so on, is like u people dont care about being honest Also ser hubbard perfomance, is less than when she was teen (with a half baked Male puberty)if It were as u say she whould have better perfomance, not worse (a lot worse) but again u dont care

[@ocaraevil]

@@danavidal8774 i am a man and i have 195ng/dL testosterone(i know i have to do something about it) so i could compete as a transgender(and not need to supress my hormones) . and i can lift(deadlift) very close to the womans world record , i can run at 32 minutes 10k very close to womans world record, besides other sports, so i could participate in a lot of categories in a lot of sport taking the place of a lot of woman. is this fair? i am a nobody who do the sports for fun but if i train i can compete and win in 10 different sports and categories inside the sport in the womans division just because i defined myself as woman(or transition).(not in worlds but in any local, state maybe national level). i think transgender athletes should fight for their own division, man created , woman had to fight to get people to interest in the sports than to get people to watch than get sponsors to create her division, and took a lot of time and effort. transgender just want to occupy what is already build.

[@Moose803]

Yeah but that was supposed to be a joke.

[@MorinehtarTheBlue]

Yes but the joke is about the appearance of Russian women not this

[@bennyvermeulen7255]

@@MorinehtarTheBlue yes, but there were rumours in the days that some of these atletes were men. A judo coach of my country stepped on the bus full of DDR women and they were singing, he thought it were men singing and some really looked like men.

[@dalorasinum386]

Isn’t this exactly what South Park did with “strong woman” a couple years ago?

[@michaelsorensen7567]

Difference between satire and reality is anywhere from 6 months to 5 years

[@whiteshadow59]

South park are always spot on

[@wastelandlegocheem]

They were right. Next we.will actually have to have consent forms each night every person has sex. The "everyone is a bigot" thing has been accurate ever since they made it

[@rachiboo14]

Yep it was totally accurate

[@el_killorcure]

I saved the entire Strong Woman episode and clips before shariatube deletes it...

[@danielmoran932]

Believe women. Unless those women point out that men and women aren't interchangeable, then disregard them as bigots.

[@youretotallyrightbut463]

Remember. The same people who tell you your skin colour gives you advantages. Are the same people who tell you former men have no advantages competing in women’s divisions

[@apebass2215]

@@youretotallyrightbut463 "former"? He's still a man, no one can change their sex.

[@pondacres]

@@youretotallyrightbut463 Generally, they're also the people who tell you cultural appropriation is wrong while also telling you that sexual appropriation is totally awesome.

[@nicobones9608]

Beautifully said!

[@LucSchots]

I just *love* the quote in the beginning: "There will be men's sports & co-ed sports"

[@CarbLoaders]

Yup. Why do the men in pro fighting world are never beat to pulp by transmen in the octagon? Feminists must answer.

[@kristideeley]

I just love everything she says 😂😂😂

[@A.Martin]

many mens sports are technically co-ed sports as they never made a rule against women being a part, just oversight, assumption that no women would try to join and so they didn't make a rule.

[@mievaselli7910]

@@CarbLoaders There is transmen being forced to compete against women. They would rather compete against men than have the hollow victory of beating women.

[@xvnz]

Men’s sport is already co-ed but women just can’t reach that level. That’s why women only leagues were created.

[@sEaNoYeAh]

Strongly recommend listening to the Real Science of Sport podcast episode on transgender women in women's sport. One of the hosts is Professor Ross Tucker, who was one of the figures involved in World Rugby's decision to prohibit trans women from competing in international women's rugby, and he goes through explaining the extensive process and large body of evidence they assessed in reaching their conclusion.

[@bobadams4962]

The fact that we even have to have this conversation speaks volumes on how stupid this society has become

[@totallyjonesin]

It's just the left woketards, not society in general. Pelosi is pushing a bill through the house to guarantee men can compete where ever they want.

[@gutz-Coldrevenge]

i see 2 ways to "fix" this, first, introduce a new bracket "Transgender athletes" to begin with you can have both Male→Female and Female→Male transgender people, 2nd is for EVERY Biological female in Laurel's category to simply refuse to compete, I'm a kiwi myself, and while i'm all for what ever you want to do with your body is your choice, that stops the second what you choose to do effects others in a negative way, and this is a VERY clear example, if your a weight lifter and you have "transitioned" and you are still lifting weights equal to what you did when you were a male, you should compete against males, or be the bigger person, and step away from the sport.

[@jeffmorin5867]

would you consider abortion effecting others in a negative way...?

[@GDoubleFlat]

@@jeffmorin5867 ah now THAT is an interesting question. That all depends on whether or not you perceive the unborn infant as an other person who can be effected in a negative way… Morality is a bitch.

[@robertgutheridge9672]

I was thinking something along the same lines.

[@robertgutheridge9672]

@@jeffmorin5867 what does your comment have to do with the subject of transgender sports?

[@xLionsxxSmithyx]

Ah but then you have to deal with them complaining about how you're trying to segregate them from the other athletes and don't view them as a real Man/Woman....

[@sn0lder]

a transwoman is allowed to have a bigger difference in testosterone to a female, than a male who uses steroids has to a male who doesnt. let that sink in

[@terrylandess6072]

So, you're a woman beater? ... No, I'm an Olympic boxer.

[@akamered4483]

I have actually had the case of Laurel Hubbard as my topic in my final presentation exam in high school (12th grade, doing my A-levels, between 17-18 years old). I put out a survey on our school cloud asking (every student (12-18) and every teacher) what everyone personally thinks should be done about this. Most people thankfully choose the options "She should take part in men's sports" or "there should be an extra category for trans people". But the third biggest category (don't remeber the exact percentage, but i should still have the data in detail on my pc, so if anyone is interested... ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯) choose the option "nothing should be done/she should still take part in women's sports" and most of the reasons (yes, i asked everyone to leave a reason for their decision) were "because she is a women." or "if she wants to be seen as a woman, we should respect that!" It made me regain and at the same time lose hope for my home country (Germany) since i could thankfully witness that the majority still used their brain, but seeing that a part went after the typical illogical "woke" agenda made me worry that this mindset might grow here in the future and that soon, people will lose more and more of their logical thinking in order to not offend anyone. Im praying for my country and for the future of humanity 🙏

[@Blackgeoff1]

"Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be banned from thinking so as not to offend the imbeciles" Dostoievski

[@codinghusky5196]

@@Blackgeoff1 you mean the differently abled, right?

[@Blackgeoff1]

@@codinghusky5196 Wrong; if that was what I meant it would've been what I wrote. I quoted a nineteenth-century writer, who apparently foresaw an age when intelligent or learned people would become "cancelled" for speaking truths that some less intelligent people don't want to accept.

[@EmmersonSprocket]

This is how mediocre men win gold medals.

[@miboogaroo]

This⬆️

[@VenomBroly]

And destroy dreams of talented women

[@thelonespacemarine5211]

Also scholarships and sponsorships. And depending on the rules they can keep their tackle

[@cczsus6513]

@Hew Roads Ikr keyboard warriors

[@aceventurapetdetective1736]

@@VenomBroly Does kinda backfire for women who say they are stronger than men.

[@gunnern1]

Why even bother with "gendered" sports if you may simply "identify" as a particular gender at will?

[@jkbughunt]

yes , open all sports up to any whom wants to compete , no categories , weight limits, anything , but thats not the argument from women "we are equal" they cry "we can do anything men can do " until it hits them that they are losing all the time now and that doesn't feel good , it contradicts the "women empowered , able to "do" anything narrative , then the screaming starts "unfair!!!!" tell you what , here's an idea , any transgender will have to wear a weight belt , perhaps double their weight , just to make it fair, they did this in horse racing , or have a runner start way back from the starting line or run extra laps then the girls(sorry , birth capable persons) , empowerment in action , a weight lifter would have to lift the weight plus the combined weight of all the girls in the competition , we must protect girls feelings at all costs, crazy right , don't be surprised when ideas like this are floated , probably already have been

[@connordickerson6815]

@@jkbughunt pretty sure the majority of female athletes dont think this way. More likely it's the people that have never tried hard at sports or have only worked in fields where the physical differences between male and female dont matter.

[@rushfan9thcmd]

@@connordickerson6815 women need to wage WAR against this chaos. They should refuse to compete. Let these organizations get set up for the event and then women no show. Theres no half way. They need to flat out refuse to participate..

[@cheese_9319]

Instead of having non female women in female sports, just put them in a section just for them or something, so those people don't have an advantage over the others

[@hansolav5924]

@@cheese_9319 This. so much this. if people moving from one gender to another ABSOLUTELY HAVE to participate in sports...have them do so with people in the same situation until the situation is Well and Truly DONE. In about 10 years time.

[@ephilos224]

Remember when they awarded 'ol Brucey "Women of the Year"? This stuff will just prove to everyone that men make better women.

[@gabyloreto697]

😞 sad

[@JohnDoe-fv9bg]

I like that. People should run with that. Reverse psychology if you will.

[@germanlondono8700]

I certainly identify myself as a progressive, and I'm sure I would disagree with Sydney and her whole regular audience in many, many topics. That being said: I'M 100% WITH YOU ON THIS. It is totally unfair to have non-biological women who, for starters, don't have periods, competing with biological women who do; and that makes a huge difference in a lot of aspects, among other things mentioned in the video. 100% agree that, if there's not enough research, we shouldn't be doing this in the name of inclusivity. Edit: I don't know how this video appeared on my feed if my KZbin account is a progressive bubble, but I'm glad I watched it. Cheers

[@sam8007]

Same Here.😂 I think denial of science in the name of idiology can happen anywhere on the spectrum. There are some more videos I liked. In the past it was normal to discuss with people from different backgrounds and to agree and disagree and find common ground. Today there is too much hate and too much (extreme) ideology I guess.

[@DavidSmith-ip6tk]

I was duped. I thought the LGBT "struggle" in the beginning was about actual equality, I was fine with this. But it seems that whether by design or chance it has morphed into dominance of a culture. I will not be fooled again.

[@wheeliebin18]

Most people were fine with gay rights. The addition of the "T" has thrown a mother of a spanner in the works and the gay community knows it!

[@ipunchedu8884]

@Genaki Ningen yea exactly, they are shooting themselves in the foot and being very hypocritical, they DEMAND respect but don't give it to people with other way of thinking

[@el2i-y8z]

Congratulations on reaching your peak trans moment 🍾 There will be many more to come, just look into the prison issue and remember that women are now menstruators or cervix-having birthing bodies. Btw lesbians are non-men loving non-men everything else would be bigoted and exclusionary, girld*ck is valid, we Must all check our genital preferences. So much delusion and so little time…

[@bohemianvegan]

I do believe in LGBT rights for the most part, yet I am appalled at how this is being crammed down everyone's throat. I don't care about what consenting adults do in their bedrooms. Yet, I am tired of all these Pride flags all over the place and LGBT curriculum being taught in preschools and elementary schools.

[@ipunchedu8884]

@@bohemianvegan yea the original idea for most LGBT people was simply being left alone and not simply get insulted or murdered or whatever for their sexuality or stuff like that, but now they they are literally everywhere like

[@ericcook5416]

When I was a kid we had a word for situations like this, it was No. I think we should bring that back.

[@grahamfox7568]

Ohhh dear, you will be cancelled immediately, how dare you use that word.

[@sigmacademy]

@@grahamfox7568 Don't give Twitter any ideas. Next they will be saying the word No is language negative or something. Twitter - where brain cells go to die. :/

[@actstuntcam]

I'm from New Zealand. I want to say I'm deeply embarrassed and sorry about Hubbard. Hope women get their sports back soon.

[@skknireeker9073]

Woman still have 100% their sport, because transwoman are just woman. Its still 100% female versus female

[@paulg666]

@@skknireeker9073 Wrong, Didn't you watch the video? Transwoman are NOT just woman.

[@aaronbozack830]

@@skknireeker9073 no offense but if you still dont understand the problem you never will.

[@Mikere5]

@@skknireeker9073 complete bullshit!

[@ssickhead1]

@@skknireeker9073 no...no they're not. You and all the rest of them are delusional

[@JamesB21a]

9:20 "We take opportunities away from women, crush them at their own sports, and deny them the opportunity to talk about it." Should be the new catch phrase for the 2020 Games.

[@garytsang5673]

how many opportunities have feminists taken away from cis men, crush them at their own industry, and deny them the opportunity to talk about it? Give up sport to transgender and go take the diversity quota and be CEO!

[@neilgriffiths6427]

"So, you transitioned when you were 35?" "Yup" "So you've been taking large amounts of testosterone for over 20 years?" "Yup." "You're banned."

[@danieldees9686]

Yep. Identity politics dont even matter. Too much T is too much T.

[@treyjetson5320]

Lets be real they transitioned just to become winners. They want to feel special.

[@colinwhyte1526]

@@treyjetson5320 Can always transition back once you've got your medals.

[@pieppy6058]

@@danieldees9686 So your saying we should classify sporting events based on hormone balance not gender so that trans men and women could compete

[@kaasmeester5903]

@@pieppy6058 There's more to the difference between men and women (and trans people) than hormone balance.

[@322ccm]

I'm so glad Surfshark lets sydney go wild with the script. its glorious.

[@TheRedAnvil40]

I love SurfShark for this reason. Admittedly I don’t use it tho 😭

[@flatebo1]

She is concealed behind the online anonymity SurfShark provides. She’s like a ninja that way.

[@SydneyWatson]

Tbh, I'm surprised they let me do it too. I feel like these ads are getting weirder and weirder. Surfshark are such champs to me haha

[@AProudDad]

@@SydneyWatson something tells me they don't mind being in the midst of a huge political spotlight as an unrelated privacy service.

[@TheRealMrFunny]

@@SydneyWatson I think they prefer entertaining ads over plain reading of ad copy that some will skip over.

[@trailblazer632]

Im curious where the feminists are while the "male patriarchy" is litterally pushing women out of their own sports.

[@MegaGraceiscool]

They get called TERFs

[@kele5181]

I don't think this is a "man thing" or whatever, I think the explanation is very simple - Everyone is afraid of standing up to the woke mob for fear of being canceled. These days you can (and probably will) lose your job and your livelihood for voicing the "wrong" opinion. It's actually quite amazing how quickly the world can change through the efforts of people who are organized.

[@aonairskies]

We get called TERFs by other feminists, men who dont like feminism dont even bother to listen to us, and the LGBTQ hates us. It is pretty great.

[@harbingertheheretic3541]

They were the ones who demanded this. Feminists created the "gender is a social construct" propaganda specifically to help them push women into direct competition with men in every aspect of life from education to workplaces to politics to sports. The TERFs like "Parker Posie" are a tiny minority of feminists who - as a group - also seem rather confused about what exactly they believe the line is for "equality."

[@harbingertheheretic3541]

@@kele5181 the original "woke mob" were called the Temperance Movement, and they terrorized men in the US by smashing up or burning down bars, and in the UK they did the same to coffee shops. They brought us Prohibition, which brought us organized crime, which brought inner city violence, which brought us the NFA of 1934, which led to the GCA 1968, Hughes Amendment to FOPA 1986, Brady & "Gun Free Schools" laws of the 1990s, which led to mass shootings in schools starting in 1999. They also pushed for the divorce laws that created an increase in divorce & single motherhood. Today, 85% of the inmates in US prisons were raised by single mothers. And every school shooter but 1 was raised by a single mother. The next "woke mob" were called the Suffragettes, and they terrorized men in the US by smashing up polling places, burning boxes full of ballots, and assaulting voters & poll workers. They managed to get the vote without having to register for the Draft like men are required to do by law. Now that they have voted for the Welfare State party for 100 years, the federal government is $26TRILLION dollars in debt (not counting unfunded liabilities), and the cities/states where the Welfare State party have ruled for decades are falling apart and riddled with violence, needled syringes, & feces.

[@allenbird]

"Born in the wrong body" we don't really get a choice of what body, country, or family we are born into. It just kinda happens. This whole issue to me is completely a result of what our society has deemed as masculine and feminine making those men or women who feel or think in more modern traditional masculine or feminine think they are born in the wrong body when people shame them for not being more masculine or feminine as men and women. It's ridiculous honestly. You're welcome society. This is what you have created for yourself by holding to these stigmatized ideals.

[@anguspowell2216]

I'm not sure how acurate your opinion, though it doesn't seem quite correct to me, but if you are writing it as a direct response to what Sydney was discuessing. I think you missed her point.

[@martmine4618]

@@anguspowell2216 Hum I think you didn't understand his comment? It was pretty clear imo.

[@silashurd3597]

I hate it when people say that “I was born in the wrong body” BS.

[@memyself4362]

What??. R u sure?. Or wasn't becoz something bad or dark happened on ur childhood made u think ur gender swap?. Usually people be trans becoz the have experience something bad since their young age. Things like the parents who mostly influence their children who desired their children to be a boy but end up they got a girl. N girl but end up they got a boy.. so the parents dressed them up to the gender that they want their son or daughter to be. Another case is becoz the child already have dark history with pedho people.. maybe family, someone close or they're being bullied in the school. And another case is becoz pronography.. it maybe influence from friends, family or their serounding.. So watch out ur child and try to know them more.. n bringing up them with the right path... talk with them befriend with them.. accepted what gender they're.. if they're confused about their gender when they hit puberty..help them back to the right path especially teens. They usually confused when the hit certain time.. they got to much ego, too much thinking, too wild, too much things for we parents to look for them. Becoz teens is the messier part of life as a human being.

[@tonyennis1787]

I don't know what point you're trying to make.

[@patrickstewart3446]

The next step: claiming hormone treatments are discriminatory and shouldn’t be required to compete as a female. You watch. It’s coming soon.

[@Adi-yx5oi]

@Olebaskus what? fr?

[@chumatyolo5925]

Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣 ...

[@Victory4001]

Minimum common sense still exist in the develloping world.

[@AikiraBeats]

I thought that was already happening

[@chance2547]

i think this is already allowed, they have to take hormone treatments but they don't have to be done with them like they could be just starting them from what I've heard.

[@kclink1579]

I could never watch a boxing or MMA stuff like that match with someone who is transgender as all I can see it a man beating up a woman. It's just uncomfortable.

[@amostlyreasonableguy]

Definitely don’t look up Fallon Fox and the poor women that suffered beatings.

[@amostlyreasonableguy]

Arwyn yeah, her orbital bone I believe

[@diabolicaldebacle]

@@amostlyreasonableguy Which is an incredibly strong bone and rarely gets broken when it's women vs women.

[@kallemetsahalme1225]

Well, soon that won't happen. They will start to hand medals to everyone because "everyone worked hard to get here and everyone deserves an award. Plus ofc no one is better than someone else, we are all equal". All sports will become like comedy shows where they don't even need to show a scoreboard. At least if certain people get to decide that thing also.

[@muhammadhassanliman9768]

There was a fight between a trans and a woman that ended in the lady's skull being cracked. She mentioned that the punch felt like smashing a lorry into her head. It wasn't even a fight, it was brutal. Most of them would never have been heared of in men's sports. But they are not just breaking but smashing record in female sports. "Born in the wrong body" my ass.

[@Agresywna_sosna]

Everyone talks about hormones, but men have twice denser bones and with that comes physical strength. If someone doesn't know, our muscles can put much more force, but are limited by our brain in order not to shatter bones. Ergo men having denser bones can use much more force than women even if they have the same muscles mas (which they already have more).

[@tokofukawap4055]

Men don't have denser bones, the only difference is testosterone and collagen, these athletes were on testosterone and used it to build muscle easier and faster than the women can biologically. Men don't have a physical advantage over women without effort, you still have to work out to get strong it's not from bone density

[@philiposbourne3038]

@@tokofukawap4055 you are so wrong. Men have denser,stronger bones, tendons and ligaments. Get some education!

[@canttakeanymore]

@@tokofukawap4055 bullshit. Men in almost all cases have an inherent physical advantage over women--there are a few, but very few outliers. You say: "Men don't have denser bones, the only difference is testosterone and collagen..." Yes, actually they do have denser bones and musculature, due to natural, NORMAL levels of testosterone. Those normal levels of testosterone in men do the things you claim 'these athletes' had to take testosterone for. Men most certainly have a natural physical advantage over women--thousands of years of evolution and biology guarantee it. That's not a matter of opinion. You can look it up. Yes, you have to work out to get strong, but as a man, you start out much stronger than almost all women before you have done a single workout.

[@cydrych]

Men also have, generally, longer bones giving them advantages in leverage and reach. Not to mention larger lung capacity and hearts giving them endurance advantages which do not diminish with hormone therapy. If there are no differences we would see trans men dominating in male sport, right?

[@robotcitizen101]

some references to support the claims would be useful ... Was curious to see some on the matter and found this one that states otherwise: "Thus, throughout prepubertal and pubertal growth, and in the fully grown young adult, males and females have the same trabecular BMD (number and thickness of trabeculae) within the vertebral body; what differs is vertebral body size. Men have a wider and only slightly taller vertebral bodies. Thus, growth does not build a denser skeleton in males than females, it builds a bigger skeleton. If the strength of the vertebral body is greater in young males than females, it is due to gender differences in size, not density, not the amount of bone within the periosteal envelope of that bone." Ref: "Sexual Dimorphism in Skeletal Size, Density,and Strength", The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism 86(10):4576 - 4584; at watermark.silverchair.com/jcem4576.pdf

[@Thomas21408]

You could also mention the fact that even after all the hormone therapy, Laurel still has up to 10 times the normal testosterone level of a normal, healthy, female. Furthermore the fact that they didnt measure in ng/dl seems a bit off-putting. If anyone is interested, I urge you to check out More Plates More Dates's breakdown of the subject. EDIT: didnt watch the whole vid before commenting, this was brought up👌🏻

[@jjohnson6833]

The International Olympic Committee has destroyed the Olympics. And the trans community has made a mistake pushing this - all they’re going to gain is animosity.

[@zachcurtis1283]

Of course there's no advantage, that's why trans men do so well in men sports...oh, wait...

[@davebutler3905]

When I transition to becoming a five year old, I'm going to win all the trophies at school sports. I'm gonna feel so proud of myself!!!

[@derrickowen8162]

You reminded me of that scene in Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life" where the Men's team plows through the Boy's team quite harshly.

[@immxrtalsoul6954]

Yay!

[@linusgustafsson2629]

I was just thinking that. If you can "feel like" and "identify" as a gender, surely you can also do that with age?

[@davebutler3905]

@@linusgustafsson2629 Definitely! I'll shave my pubes off too, wear a school uniform and get my larynx surgically adjusted. My preferred pronoun is boy (but girl on Thursday afternoon). What's the difference?

[@Look_At_My_Name]

Well, when I transition to your 4 yr old little brother, you'll have to give me all your stuff!

[@ruggerREL]

Y’all don’t recall the fallout Joe rogan got for speaking about trans fighter Fallon fox who cracked the skull of a opponent then was KO’d by Ashlee evans smith

[@petejones4808]

Simple - do a DNA test when they do the drug test and whatever it comes back as, that’s what they compete in.

[@ImReverseGiraffe]

No, even simpler. Anyone can compete in sports, only women can compete in women's sports. Get rid of men's sports and open it up to anyone. You want to compete against the men, go ahead.

[@MegamonK17]

It is simple except when the feminazis tell the parents otherwise

[@rodalfderraticht2041]

Do you know Mack Beggs, dude? This silly concept of you backfired already for he is a trans man willing to compete in male wrestling but was forced to compete with women, hence dna, and defeating all of them. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@MegamonK17]

@@rodalfderraticht2041 what's funny?

[@p.a.ivenslife]

Why not just open a new category for trans athletes?

[@terrab1ter4]

Interesting how this issue doesn't seem to exist in the reverse scenario... Also the so-called experts that say there is no difference between transgender women and women should also explain why there are two leagues (men/women) in the first place; if there is no difference, as they say.

[@snygg1993]

"Because men don't what women to have the same fame and pay. Thus, they suppress them by forcing women into a separate competition, where they are not performing as well as men, because they are not motivated enough --- because motivation and how you feel is everything that is needed to successful in sports." 😜 Don't underestimate the "creativity" of woke people.

[@mr.d7038]

@@snygg1993 Guess you haven't seen Heather Swanson🤣🤣🤣

[@dansch19]

And along with that explain why transgender people even exist at all. You can't transition between 2 identical states. Where is the transition? There is a tacit acceptance that men and women are different to even support such an idea. But not to worry. Logic and reason are both only constructs of the western white patriarchy (Race, Class and Gender: 8th Edition, Margaret Anderson and Patricia Hill Collins.) You can't make this shit up.

[@snygg1993]

​@@dansch19 There isn't a problem, when a man wants to dress like a woman, care about his fingernails, and wear make-up ... and, actually, I don't see any issue, if he wishes to be called "Karen" and "she" ... it is for sure "strange" but, well, First Amendment. However: Still calling him "he" is just rude and not a crime ... it is like calling orange man "orange man" ... who does actually care? And most importantly, never, never, never mistake the expressed gender with the actual gender, especially when gender is relevant, where we have gender based "separation", like, at the doctor, in sports, regarding quotas or benefits or premiums, etc.

[@dansch19]

@@snygg1993 Hell I don't even think it's that strange. Strange compared to what? All the other bizarre things humans do? It's not even the top 10. You don't call people what they want because they're oppressed. You call them what they want because it's the decent way to treat other people. No.. I dont think how transgender people are treated is even slightly a part of what any of this is about. It's a nice subject matter for the cult of critical theory. And critical theory is fucking batshit crazy. It's an ideology whose dogma sounds like satire. It's like it attempted to one-up all of Marxism, scientology, vegenism, mormanism and fundamental Christians, and then blew right past that goal. The original posters question is a simple one that the activists will never answer because their dogma considers objective reason meaningless. So who cares if they hold 2 views that are cognitively dissonant. Men and women are identical. So what the fuck is the transition that transgender people make? If it was just about clothes and makeup then what the hell is the steroids for? What is the surgery about? What is the transition?

[@LucSchots]

What if, if a man participates in women's sports, the real women just publicly refuse to compete? He would look pretty dorkly 'competing' alone...

[@nickadamson6053]

I'd actually like to see that happen. All ACTUAL women just take a knee and stop competing until they ban transgender athletes.

[@nwj03a]

I can’t do it anymore, but I used to squat 450 lbs (I’m a guy). I’m not sure my little sisters ever could have, in the best shape of their life… combined. Both of them played sports, they practiced, one even played in college. I could out do them in literally any physical thing at any point in their lives.

[@ms-ht1cj]

who asked

[@nwj03a]

The same person that asked you to reply.

[@thalegacy6]

After LeBron retires from the NBA "I heard" he's going to the WNBA to finally pass Jordan in titles! Lebronica I think.

[@mikewatts1533]

Didn't they have that in movie form, Juwanna Mann?

[@martingarcia3787]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BooHefner]

Why do people always bring up the amount of titles Jordan has when they're seven or eight people who have more

[@thalegacy6]

@@BooHefner I personally think Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest pure athlete the NBA has ever seen but since he only has 2 many keep him out of the conversation. I think he'd completely destroy today's NBA! I'm in your corner with respect to the others that have more titles but some were just role players and not leaders like Robert Horry and Steve Kerr.

[@thalegacy6]

@@mikewatts1533 Hahha oh my goodness, I forgot about that movie! Perfect for today's waterhole news! Thanks friend!

[@DarkoSayd]

"Trans women have biological advantages over biological women." Wait a minute, I've been told, over and over again, that sex is just a social construct, so...I'm a little bit confused at this point. o.O

[@TheRisky9]

Exactly - it is a social construct which is why women need their own spaces... ... ... ... oh wait...

[@TheBatCat]

Sex isn’t a social construct it’s based on biology and facts. Gender on the other hand is a social construct. The stereotypes and assumptions you put on a person because of how they appear is a social construct to make a difference between men and women. I can promise you that if you weren’t told who was trans, you wouldn’t always be able to tell.

[@andyknightwarden9746]

@@TheBatCat No, Gender and Sex are one term with different spellings. Redefining the dictionary changes nothing.

[@grassygnoll3345]

@@andyknightwarden9746 Sorry Eric, Genders is not the same thing a Sex, it's the socially constructed roles and expressions of the Sexes in societies. For example "women should be in caring roles, wear pink and cook dinner while mend should fight, build cars and drink beer".

[@andyknightwarden9746]

@@grassygnoll3345 Wrong. They are the same thing. And who's Eric?

[@mk3supersupra]

they want everyone to accept who they are, even though they couldn't accept who they were

[@confucius6341]

So true

[@fae1283]

This!

[@ChanakyanStudent7971]

"Nuclear powered Cyborg wins 7 Olympic golds sets records" Activists name it as a milestone in equality unlike any other 'We should all be inspired by the hardships the 1 kiloton TNT powered cyborg faced to overcome it's opponents'

[@TheHaymeadow]

I think the only way the message might get heard, is if all biological women withdraw from any sport that allows transgender athletes to compete.

[@katymvt]

But they won't. Some will be scared of being labelled a TERF (as if that's a bad thing), some against their own interests actually support this.

[@harbingertheheretic3541]

@@katymvt being a TERF is no better than being any other sort of feminist. Feminism is a communist ideal that is meant to destroy men, family structure, and "capitalism." TERFs are just one of the factions of feminism, much like the national socialists & international socialists & fascists were just factions of communists fighting for power.

[@DoctorPhileasFragg]

#resignfordiversity

[@katymvt]

@@harbingertheheretic3541 Not allowing companies to pay women less, simply because they are women (not if they are taking more time off, missing more time due to maternity leave, not able to do the same physical work, but simply because they are female), equal pay for equal work is not a bad thing.

[@ravenmasters2467]

@@harbingertheheretic3541 i agree and gave you a Like but thats a different issue. The point is that once labelled (or-relabelled) that will be used to attack them, often physically. And thats why they dont all just go on strike until this gets addressed.

[@Shyndryth]

this would not be so dumb if you saw the same news about females transitioning to men and going to the Olympics but you never do, I WONDER WHY!?

[@tabithaxenden8267]

Not true they exists, but they also compete in the womens category 😐 and them taking hormones is not seen as doping because they are going through transition. 😑

[@xscaliersolid1194]

@@tabithaxenden8267 I'm not sure whether that's worse or not.

[@Shyndryth]

@@tabithaxenden8267 you do realize my comment is about taking other competitors top spots and getting gold in their events right, which is my point, the main issue here is that men transitioning to female straight ass out compete the biological females in their category which is NOT EQUALLY true with females transitioning to men and competing in male events. And to your point if a female is transitioning to male they should not be allowed to compete in the female events period as they are taking medicine that gives them a clear advantage, this is why the progressive left is so dumb they make everything ok but in the process ruin everything as they dont think things through because every choice they make is based on emotion NOT reason.

[@cjay2]

It's called 'cultural marxism'.

[@calnative4904]

You can identify as a zebra but that doesn’t make you a zebra, things are really crazy.

[@DH-xw6jp]

Then why did i have these stripes tattooed on my butt?

[@sigmacademy]

@@DH-xw6jp Camouflage? :P

[@florenciaenriquez3874]

I don't see no trans men breaking records or it even being a conversation, why could that be?

[@ShugGmail]

because no one cares about men. The rate of trans men winning is about the same rate as trans women winning. Marginally low, but no one focuses on those.

[@sociopathic_mc66]

@@ShugGmail so where are the record-breakers?

[@ShugGmail]

@@sociopathic_mc66 There are none, that's my point. Not a single one breaking records on women's categories, not a single one breaking records on men's categories.

[@sociopathic_mc66]

@@ShugGmail didn't Mary Gregory break all the women records in one day, as well as Terry Miller, the reason records aren't being shattered by trans athletes in women sports is do to their limited population as well as their limited opportunity to compete. Female to male transition is completely different especially if they went thru female puberty. From what I read most athletes that transition from female to male quit their sport it may be do to the competition or other factors.

[@ShugGmail]

@@sociopathic_mc66 tried to look up Mary Gregory in olympic games, name does not show up at all. She shows up for some smaller local events where she won and retroactively got her winnings stripped for no reason at all. Also tried to look up for Terry Miller, not to be found, either. Found this instead: Terry Miller (born 2 March 1932) is a British water polo player. He competed at the 1952 Summer Olympics and the 1956 Summer Olympics.

[@trmblingblustar]

This makes about as much sense as having 3rd grade spelling bees dominated by 50 year-old men who "identify" as 3rd graders.

[@CreativeCreatorCreates]

👆

[@pulatelephonics]

But what if they are intellectually in the 3rd grade level? I’m sure you can find plenty of people like that on Twitter

[@chunkysenpai7930]

Shhh, don't give them any more ideas!

[@veganath]

as they should we can't have age discrimation

[@czntrm]

I identify as a pirate. Somebody, get me a ship! Time to sail the seven seas and look for treasure... other people's treasure. In other words, I'm Bernie Sanders and I'm once again asking for your donation.

[@jccjccjoanne]

I'd like to quote Caitlyn Jenner: "It just isn't fair."

[@ozwunder69]

www.comicsands.com/caitlyn-jenner-trans-girls-golf-2652867179.html

[@apebass2215]

@Jerry Gallo...what.

[@AllWillBeRevealed957]

@@apebass2215 he's comparing how blacks once introduced to track, dominated the field, to transwomen in womens' sports dominating the field as well.

[@HavokBWR]

@Jerry Gallo "then the black men decided if this wanna be some day woman can do this" if anyone wasn't completely sold that you are a total moron...

[@reneetruth7590]

Lemme also quote Caitlyn Jenner "Thank You" when excepting the "Woman of the Year award. Smdh 🤣 it's almost comical bc now we have a person willing to take away a prestigious award that opens alot of opportunities the person who "earned" it lol to earn something through merit and actual achievement is a radical concept these days belonging to only white supremacist biggest racist people who who hate this country you know all the less usual slander against their opposers other usual rhetoric you know if you have values and you know believe in two parent homes and believe in I don't know not lying and you believe in or anything based off merit not based off the color of your skin were called bigots and white supremacists all types of just horrific things it's just you know I agree with the person that wrote A few ahead of me I I am also tired of this world I'm tired of hearing I'm a racist because I'm white and when that's the very foundation of what a racist is judging somebody by the color of their skin and only by the color of your skin and and it mean that is the actual definition and in the left was being so obviously racist that's what they did they went into the dictionary that the the web Marion's Western Miriam's Webster or whatever it's called I didn't know they were able to do that but they did the definition is no longer what it has been since this has been around like it is no longer that they literally changed it to something to fit their lying something to fit they're like they're lying definition of what racism if we kept it there and then anyone who wanted to look at what races because they just felt like but they're seen isn't right coming from the left they would literally read what it is and then look at the left that's exactly what you are doing racism the definition of real definition like I'm very swearing you Miriam Miriam dictionary orthopedia I didn't know you guys were so indoctrinated I know you're so impressionable so follow the crowd you know you guys pick the wrong crowd you dictionary people you never have fact checkers you only tell the truth I'm surprised you left he's even have any more teeth they're so rotten

[@ThePathStrider]

I feel the only way to return to sanity is to take this madness to it's logical conclusion. I will now train a cheetah, a gorilla, and a dolphin who all identify as human.

[@katymvt]

OK, but along with swimming competitions I also want to see the dolphins figure skating.

[@ThePathStrider]

@@katymvt Okay, so there are a few events this WON'T work for.

[@imchipjames]

I used to date a girl that worked out a lot. I never did, I just worked a job that had me on my feet walking for hours a day. One day she invited me to work out with her. I'll never forget her disgruntled look when I was able to just barely pass her up on elliptical and treadmill. I'm a bad person.

[@cherylsabol387]

“Explosion of trans athletes” says it all.. Why doesn’t anyone talk about the fact that these men weren’t top of the line athletes in their sports so they switched to women’s sports and are dominating women because MEN ARE STRONGER!

[@Nightmare_KatsuVT]

Lmao because apparently that would be “TrAnSpHoBiC” or some stupid shit like that

[@toxicity6629]

Yeah literally they need to either compete with the rest of us or don’t even compete unless it’s against her transgenders. They wanna face women bc they know they’ll get mopped on the same playing field they end up putting real women in which is so bogus. Those women be working hard just to get wiped by a man in booty shorts and a bra😐

[@ta8905]

Cheryl Sabol SO TRUE!! This is something I've said for quite awhile!

[@are_ya_wynning_son]

Hi there! There's no data that supports the claim that cis men are changing sports and pretending to be women so that they can do better. The reason that trans athletes are feeling more comfortable about playing sports openly is because there's more representation for them in media and general society, so they can be themselves without having as much fear. (That's the same reason there seem to be more gay people now. Previously in history, it was much less safe to live openly, so there seemed to be fewer of them. However, now that they are able to have rights more similar to the ones heterosexual people have always had, more are feeling more comfortable in being open.)

[@cuzican1902]

And how you never see trans men competing in men's sports.

[@docblade3270]

Is always "ex-men" that want to compete against real women, never "ex-women" wanting go against real men! Because there is no difference, right...

[@mievaselli7910]

Wrong. It does happen but for some reason it's not talked about as much, even when they are forced to compete against women and win easily due to being on testosterone. Look up Mack Beggs. The truth is, a biological female on male hormones is stronger than a biological male on female hormones. A transman is stonger than a transwoman. Forcing transmen to compete in women's sport while excluding transwomen makes no sense.

[@docblade3270]

@@mievaselli7910 Obviously, is irony, got it?

[@rodiusmaximus]

@@mievaselli7910 so X-Men should compete against X-women? And leave the men's and women's sports separate?

[@mievaselli7910]

@@rodiusmaximus No, as I explained, there is huge difference of strenght.

[@rodiusmaximus]

@@mievaselli7910 So just have 4 leagues. Easy fix. Men. Women. X-Men. X-Women. (And Avengers. 5 leagues maybe.) Meh. Just do away with sports. Or maybe since there's 472 genders now....just have a free-for-all rumble.

[@sprites75]

we need another category "anything goes" like ,transgender, doping, anything. everyone happy

[@stoneymahoney9106]

I'd pay money to watch a five second 100m dash in which a coked-up, roided out Hussain Bolt narrowly loses to Elon Musk's new cyborg avatar while Caitlyn Jenner falls over in the background

[@calanjameshunt]

eh yea honestly they need a F-M and M-F categories... eh

[@jamesgatz4490]

Everyone gangsta until Batman shows up to compete 🦇🏅

[@cherylstemp6480]

Happy happy, joy joy.

[@gidondejong1802]

We call it cheat until you win.

[@victorlupu7008]

As a man, I think we should care less... got banned on r/feminisms because I was asking why aren't they trying to do something about this unfairness towards women athletes.

[@dulce_de_leche]

Thank you so so much for talking about this. Especially as a female HS runner, I have witnessed firsthand how much of a disadvantage we are at biologically compared to our male counterparts. When looking at progression, HS boys tend to improve in a linear fashion while a lot of girls struggle to run well after freshman/sophomore year because puberty works against us athletically, not in our favor like men. Competition in sports, while important, is not a human right, and to simply ignore biology like this is a slap in the face to female athletes everywhere.

[@liberatorkramit]

Thats why we have things like Leagues and weight classes. Because we don't ignore biology in literally ANY other part of sports...

[@Sanderus]

Hi there, you might want to reconsider your career. It's not worth your time, effort and health. Women's sport is getting killed.

[@mievaselli7910]

If teenage transgirls have access to the right treatment, they don't go trough male puberty.

[@benderrodriguez5425]

@@mievaselli7910 childeren should NOT get their hormone's messed up, neither should biological males compete with biological females.

[@mievaselli7910]

@@benderrodriguez5425 Forcing trans people to compete with their assigned at birth gender means forcing transmen to compete against women, even though they have all the physical advantages of cismen, but that doesn't seem to bother you. It seems that conservatives are fine with a man curbstomping women as long as he was born with a vagina. Seing your body develop as the wrong gender, that does mess you up. Puberty blockers have been used for decades, they are known to be safe. All the concern trolling to justify denying care to trans people is disgusting.

[@zanvure330]

Trans women should compete with other trans women, trans men should compete with other trans men. This is the fairest system I can come up with.

[@KingJinzo2125]

Problem is that there’s not enough of either to warrant creating 2 separate divisions. Personally I think if you’re doing anything that quite literally changes your body then you should be ineligible for all sporting events from the high school lvl upwards

[@zanvure330]

@@KingJinzo2125 I disagree, you can have niche sporting events. With the increasing proportion of trans people in the population and the fact that such divisions would literally be made for trans people only, I don't see why there will not be proper representation of trans population. And tbh, barring someone from sporting is wrong just because they have a different body. If playing sports isn't harmful to them or others, I think they should play sports if they want to, just not play against the wrong competition if fairness of the game is to be maintained.

[@KingJinzo2125]

@@zanvure330 you don’t understand how few trans ppl are actually trying to compete. Someone else in the comment section said it best, it’s a minority of a minority that they’d have to build it for, which isn’t enough for something like the Olympic committee to put in that much effort for. As for barring ppl with different bodies, it would be different if they were naturally born with that difference. But something like trans men being on testosterone therapy is not fair to any of the women he’s trying to compete with, yet still wouldn’t be able to properly compete with biological men. So imo until we either get enough of both trans men and women or we actually start seeing biological women consistently beat trans women (same way for the other way around) then they should honestly be banned from competition, at least from a traditional sporting organizations.

[@zanvure330]

@@KingJinzo2125 You have a nice point, man. Well, but if any trans people want to play, I think they should play but not be given awards unless the competition is fair. What do you think?

[@zanvure330]

Fair competition as in they are competing against other trans people like them.

[@TheMadNorseman]

If an archeologist were to excavate Hubbard some time in the future, he/she would find a male skeleton.

[@2710cruiser]

I agree

[@Tomeccho]

HAHAHA Exactly! But only with the expert help of a forensic anthropologist lol

[@MissUltimaThule]

@@Tomeccho Osteoarchaeologists can sex categorise a skeleton very easily. Most archaeologists of all specialisms can accurately sex categorise a complete, adult skeleton just from looking at the pelvis, long bones and skull.

[@kickballfever]

@@MissUltimaThule Yea, I took anatomy in college and they taught us how to sex categorize an adult skeleton. Once you know what to look for it's pretty easy, especially if you have the whole skeleton.

[@Tomeccho]

@@MissUltimaThule Pretty much the same thing a forensic anthropologist can do, but ok.... want to name every discipline that can also sex ID a skeleton for more internet points? I mean, I said what I said as a joke but I could have listed them all and looked like a knob too but that might have ruined the funny.

[@mxxy2k]

I made it to the Olympic trials in 2004 the honest answer on why "I" didn't make it is honestly cuz I choked, but with that said if it was cuz somebody had a physiological advantage over me I'd have been pissed I started training for the Olympics when I was 8 I went to the Olympic trials when I was 18 having competed at this level I'm sorry but this is unacceptable

[@shawnboosveld7042]

Sydney has the only in-video ads I don’t skip

[@DjVortex-w]

"You'll have men's sports and you'll have co-ed sports." I think that summarizes it perfectly.

[@ericjones3692]

They should just allow all Trans athletes to compete in the men's events. Problem solved. Have a women's event, and an open event.

[@thatcactus5451]

You realize transmen exist, and have won medals in mens sporting events multiple times now, right? Oh sorry, the outrage machine you're hooked into is currently fixating on transwomen. Proceed.

[@DjVortex-w]

@@thatcactus5451 Did I hurt your feefees?

[@thatcactus5451]

​@@DjVortex-w Ah yes, don't actually read the comment. Recognize it as "NOT CONFIRMING YOUR BIAS" and short circuit. Shortly now you're operating system will reboot and you'll be hooked back into your safe space of an outrage machine, don't worry.

[@DjVortex-w]

@@thatcactus5451 It appears I triggered something.

[@strawberrypencl]

For anyone who needs or wants an analogy: Artists enrol in a professional competition, using paint and brushes and canvas. These people (the women) have done this for years and it's considered rather fair, with the exception of people who cheat with special canvases or pre-made paintings. One year, someone enrols but has a camera. They (the trans-woman) take a picture, gets it printed on a canvas, calls it a painting, and subsequently wins. We can all see that this simply isn't fair due to the equipment being used, no matter what they want to call the end result. A photograph cannot identify as a painting. A camera cannot identify as a paintbrush. They need different competitions in order to be fair.

[@Hirpina81]

Once I know a dude who considered himself a new Da Vinci. He had his permanent marker always in his pocket and made his tiny graffiti everywhere. That's not really following rules, you know. In the end his poor kindergarten graffiti has been considered art, while an army of people who try their best are put aside, because their art is considered too common, not original, already seen, too normal and so on. This guy had to write notes under his pictures, as "this is a foot", just because it was not clear to the viewer, but, eh, he was the artist. I think it's not only a gender thing: I think there are lots of money under this new wave of insanity: making people confused about their identity makes them easier to control and easier to push them tu buy things. Like human beings were some farm animals.

[@adamgm130]

I have dedicated my life to art painting and drawing. photography is it's own category. That's the only solution trans athletes must have their own category. how is it society has become so ignorant & silent of what is so obvious? the dude still has a penis for christ sake

[@strawberrypencl]

@@adamgm130 It infuriates me, particularly as a woman, that he went through male puberty and had natural male hormones, his body grew as a man, and yet because he 'self-identifies' as something else he gets put in women's categories. Either keep them to their biological sex, or give them a new category. If they are kept to their biological sex, they obviously can't take hormones as that could allow them to cheat. Fun fact; I'll bet if they were given their own category, we would see a massive drop in trans athletes and it'd go back down to what it was 30-odd years ago. They just want the upper hand, and identifying differently is the easiest way to do it rn as it's fucking accepted by society. I do believe if it was as easy for women to do, we would see them doing it too, it's just easier for men as they have the natural biological advantage for this

[@adamgm130]

@@strawberrypencl agree 100%. so true having a category of their own, what's the point in that. i think it's the only outcome woman athetes should accept

[@HalfEye79]

I agree. But not wholeheartedly. There are two things needed taken into account: 1) Was the transition before, during or after puberty? 2) How long do they take hormones? What are their hormone-levels? To 1) When they transitioned before puberty, then there is no (real) difference to the gender, they transitioned to, I think. When they transitioned after puberty, there is nearly no difference to the gender, they transitioned from (See 2). When they transitioned during puberty, there is a big grey area, where I can't draw the line. To 2) When they don't take hormones, they only dress up as the other gender. The other thing is debateable, and I also can't draw a line. A different competition can work, but with something similar to weight-classes for percentage of transitioning, when you know, what I mean.

[@DragonsOfSnow]

If people want to argue that there is no physical difference between trans and bio women...then why aren't trans men competing in men's sports?

[@zeuz4218]

Putting a man in a women’s sports …what can go wrong?

[@joshuapriest1249]

"I dont want to live on this planet anymore." - Dr. Farnsworth

[@mojoschmee9320]

"Well fellas, I no longer feel any connection to this world. I'm going home to kill myself, now." -Eric Cartman

[@celloj3703]

Not-so-good news, everyone

[@ernestb7055]

Scotty, beam me up.

[@Look_At_My_Name]

I identify as all of these comments.

[@StuHutString]

I find it interesting that women who take drugs to help alter their performance are banned from being in their sport where as trans are allowed to take drugs to alter their performance. Go figure on the double standards.

[@fae1283]

The irony is real in this one

[@cheese_9319]

Wait, they actually do that? Damn, and I thought it couldn't get worse

[@kealclear8037]

Maybe Russia, China or some other country that hasn't gone completely insane, start a truly female sports league, leagues so women can compete fairly again . Surely this can happen somewhere again and anyone who loves women's sports will be a huge fan.

[@Aussie1968]

Apologies for the length but I do hope you read this Sydney! I was born female, and I *am* female, BUT, when I hit puberty I exploded with bulging muscles. I was a gymnast from the age of 5 and I also enjoyed weight training from the age of 10, the facility was next door to where my Mum worked at the local hospital.... And then over about 6mths I gained 20+kgs and started looking like a very short Arnold Schwarzenegger so much so my parents and teachers were convinced I was taking steroids... so off too the specialist and test after test and finally it was discovered I was producing the same levels of testosterone as a approx 15 - 16yr old boy. Not fun, but the bullying at school ended quickly as it was discovered I was as strong (at 13) as the average 16yr old boy.... now this was back in the early 80s... why am I giving you this context? Because from that point on I was no longer allowed to compete in school sports with the rest of the females in my class. I was no longer able to compete as a gymnast (after 8yrs of hard work and hours of training) and I was certainly not able to compete in weight lifting anymore.... And I *AM A BIOLOGICAL FEMALE!!! * *BUT* Lucky for me I had a nurse for a Mum and an Ambo for a Dad, so although it hurt like hell, they were able to sit me down and explain that this weird thing going on in my body although not my fault - was also not the other girls in my classes fault either and so although I never gave up my training - I never competed again and the records I held - were taken away. I am now over 50, retired and as I read and listen to people like Sydney I am disgusted that non-biological females are competing against biological females - take it from an FEMALE whose body still produces more testosterone then a females body should..... It is bloody wrong and it is bloody unfair to see what is happening in female sports! And if this is not stopped soon - it *WILL be the death of female sports!!* If I was a Female competitor - and I found out I would be competing against a biological male - I would very publicly boycott the event and hope the rest of the competing females stood strong beside me..... after all *NO COMPETITION - NO EVENT - NO WINNER* *Call it the modern day 'burning of bras!!"*

[@Kaboomboo]

You should make a video about your experience.

[@Aussie1968]

@@Kaboomboo Thank you KaBoom. I did actually; a very very very (LOL) long time ago... I love to journal and had been keeping journals (fyi not the 'dear diary' type journal lol), I write in poetry form, especially when I am angry or hurting - and I've been writing for over 40yrs. So back in 2011 I made a simple little video about the joys of living North Queensland ~ from our amazing beaches; our rivers with photo bombing crocodiles; to the bush with koalas chilling in the trees, kangaroos bouncing, and snakes a-slithering lol. It was just a bunch of photos with me talking in the background - BUT tree trunk sized legs and arms were in a few of the photos - add to that - my deep man voice and.... the nail in the coffin - my tattoos. I have *never* been judged and attacked like that. Which turned into vile bullies threatening me (apparently they decided I was either a bloke pretending to be a female OR an ugly butch tattooed dyke), I was even hacked. So I deleted the video, deleted my channel, and even uninstalled You Tube. As for my tattoos - they cover hideous scars - not that anyone cared by that time... It was near on 5yrs before I rejoined You Tube again. I've gone back to making videos (although due to surgeries and such I haven't made one for way too long); but now I have fun with the moppets and the trolls etc. I just don't do voice overs and every part of my body stays behind the camera/video. Oh and I have a great VPN and Cyber protection - so no fear of hackers and of course I changed my name. And most importantly.... when I make videos now... I make them for me and no one else. OMG *again* damn I babble on, sorry lol.... I have been told I type like I talk. So I truly thank you for taking the time to read my original comment - many people can't be bothered to read anything past the *'Read More'*. Cheers, Mia!

[@rianmacdonald9454]

I feel for you, that is so wrong, to be fair I don't think I have to words to say to do it justice, I can only say that it makes me upset, disappointed and angry they stopped you from competing and then look at the crap spouted today.

[@Aussie1968]

@@rianmacdonald9454 Thank you, and you did have the right words - and you are 100% right, I am 51 now and I would be lying if I said what was being allowed today didn't rip open old wounds. But even now (well before I temporarily ended up in this damn wheelchair anyway), when I was asked to join the "seniors" female football, I declined, because I KNOW I could unintentionally but seriously hurt another "senior". What I now have to deal with - is people assuming I am transgender (male to female) all of a sudden. And the glares I get, and the security at shops knocking on the bathrooms (females) asking me if I am in the "right" bathroom (I actually now carry a copy of my birth certificate and photo ID everywhere I go).... has once again come to bite me in the butt (so to speak). There have been many who think I discriminate against transgender people, I don't, I just do not agree with their stance on sports - *AND what they seem to forget* - I am also trapped in a body I never asked for, and have spent my life being punished for it. THEY have surgical and pharmaceutical options - *I don't* And now because of all this sports rot - I have to deal with strangers who treat me like I kicked their dog.... When I lost all I had worked for as a child - my beautiful Dad said something I will never forget; and became my mantra (and my sanity) for life..... *"Well Miapiccola, seems there's a road block ahead; best we get out the shovels and dig you a new path to follow"* We didn't cry and throw tantrums, we didn't blame the world or play victim.... we just got on with it.... Rian, I thank you for taking the time to read my comment it means more then you know. ❤ Mia

[@richardclarkson3016]

@@Aussie1968 It’s sad you weren’t able to compete because of something that was occurring naturally in your body and it must hurt to see someone who, I assume, has far more testosterone than you welcomed into women’s competition. What saddens me about Laurel Hubbard is that she must know she has a huge unfair advantage over her competitors but is still determined to go ahead and beat them. And what does that prove? What does she get out of that? Where is the satisfaction for her? I would hope that, if I was in her position, I would do what I would see to be the decent thing and retire from competition. We all have to accept that the hand life deals us means we won’t be able to all the things we would like to do. I do worry where all this could lead and what it could mean for women’s’ sport.

[@eisirt55]

Regardless of testosterone levels, someone who goes through puberty as a male will have advantages in physique .

[@SteampunkSavage]

*ahem* LAUREL HUBBARD AAAAAAAAAAH

[@BlackCat0315]

Not to mention that if a transgender was found dead and mutilated to the point where visual identification could not be made, testing would identify the victim as male because of their chromosomes. There is no procedure that can change sex at a chromosomal level and as hard a transgender will argue, they will remain biologically male all their life.

[@Tkh-jz1kt]

Yeah I think only males who go through hormone changes before puberty should be allowed to participate

[@avantikamathur2859]

@@BlackCat0315 That it a pretty redundant comment in this chain. Don't remember chromosomes having a direct implication on performance in sports

[@fredg3471]

Concur. Anyone who went through puberty as a male should not be allowed to compete as female. The advantages cannot be erased by hormone treatment.

[@iamspartacus3114]

I am an average guy who was a reasonable club runner (still am). In my first 25 years racing in local races, almost every weekend, a woman never finished in front of me till I was well into my fifties. Perhaps if I had 'identified' as one, I would have well over 1000 trophies to find a home for: Fair? You decide.

[@systematic101]

I remember seeing an over 50 males marathon club in the uk with qualifying times faster than the female world record. Which means those men over 50 years old have better performance than a woman in her 20s at her peak. But there's no advantage for males somehow.

[@belle8i]

I was thinking the other day about this. Who gets to board the lifeboats first when the ship is sinking when you have transwomen onboard?

[@systematic101]

@@belle8i I've always thought it should be young people 1st with at least 2 people in there 20s or 30s per boat. Seems weird to allow a 70 year old woman to board before a 20 year old male.

[@joostdriesens3984]

@@belle8i There is no official rule in evacuation procedures saying 'women and children first'. So you're being a bit hyperbolic with this. If the transwoman looks like the Rock she can wait, if she's injured they'll put her on. 😉

[@Zenn3k]

I really think the women competitors should join together and refuse to participate if a trans-women (a man) is competing in their sport, its simply unfair to them.

[@ericjones3692]

Unfortunately, for the other athlete, their whole life goal is centered around going to the Olympics. Easy to say take a stand and refuse to play, but they still get to compete for the Silver, unfortunately, the gold was given away.

[@Zenn3k]

@@ericjones3692 Nobody goes to the Olympics to compete for a Silver medal.

[@sallythecamel]

They should before they can't actually compete anymore. This should be stopped now!