Symbolism of Stoneheart: Night's Queen and Nissa Nissa (with pictures!)

Lady Stoneheart - formerly known as Lady Catelyn Stark - has outstanding personal symbolism, and it's mostly information about one of the deep mysteries of the story - who is Night's Queen, and is she connected to Nissa Nissa?
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[@KaritKtana]

Hi LmL, native Hebrew speaker here! The word Sapir is indeed Hebrew, you said it right :) But Saturn in Hebrew is "Shabtai" - related to Shabbat, Saturday, a day to cease work. Wikipedia reports of SOME scholars believing "Sapir" originated long ago from the Sanskrit word "Sanipriya" - meaning sacred to Saturn in Hindu traditions. But nothing of this possible connection is apparent in Hebrew itself. What's interesting is that the stone we know today as Sapphire was unknown in the Middle East region before the Romans, so many researchers have come to the conclusion that the Sapir stone in the Hebrew priests' official garment was actually Lapis Lazuli, a darker blue with golden veins, since it contains fools gold. The word Sapir was later borrowed into Greek, French, etc. to describe the lighter colored gem. What's really interesting is that a brick of Sapir is first mentioned in Exodus 24 - the chapter of the Old Testament where Moses ascends mount Sinai to receive God's word, the Ten Commandments. Sapir is used there as a way of describing the sky below God's feet, His own creation, a clear and heavenly color.

[@msmisery695]

Thank you for the reposting the stream. I rarely get a chance to watch a live stream. I always appreciate that you include artwork with credit to the artists. Also, I am bummed to hear that 1899 was cancelled already. I look forward to what you are posting on your new channel.

[@maimacario]

Hi! Do you have the link for the new Channel ?

[@rexbanner7256]

Same

[@KaritKtana]

Hear, hear!

[@sithhappenz]

Well. I'm not hugely knowledgeable about other religions and symbols, but Brienne as Christ slapped me in the face. She's given sour wine, on the third day (dream) she arose again IN A CAVE

[@austinmorrison4827]

Thanks for the re-upload, was watching one minute gone the next :)

[@DavidLightbringer]

i should be able to prevent that from happening next week, but yeah this should be a more enjoyable watch

[@craigsmith3741]

Alt shift and glidus have taken a step back for me since I found your channel. I hope you know what a compliment that is . Thanks for doing you!!!

[@DavidLightbringer]

I do, I actually love both of those channels

[@ryanwielewski5192]

Alt Schwift X is a dope asoiaf theory analyst, he does a 5 hour ice berg with the most heard theories to the most crazy Eldritch theories

[@postpunk6947]

I need more videos in this format! 2 hours of ASOIAF and your soothing voice... Heaven.

[@andrzejkopalnia]

This

[@deecawford]

I love coming back a rewatching things like this.

[@devoleno]

It's true. Every theory LML demonstrates checks out. He's interpreting ASOIF through Mythical Astronomy. He's giving us a beautiful kaleidoscope landscape of A Song of Ice and Fire. He's guiding us through, the "song" woven through the narrative. I love it.

[@juniorbaal]

I love how this random man helps me sleep, Thank u David, and good night

[@LamiNalchor]

I am grateful that you had the courage and responsibility to respond to me and change your point. Rarely there are people that will not correct their opinion and withdraw a heinous insult - luckily not many, though.

[@edoboleyn]

“You have a heart made of ice, Mr. Lucas, and so we’re going to melt your icy heart with a cool island song.” “Wait, I thought we were going to cool his hot heart with a cool island song?” - South Park Definitely some Last Hero/Night’s King symbolism there. I’m loving the analysis, by the way. I’m lucky I discovered your work after you’d amassed so much material!

[@nagamata]

Great stream, man! I’ve always recognized the parallel between Stoneheart/Nights Queen/Nissa Nissa, but this really fleshed it out and made the connections even stronger in my understanding. Also just wanted to say, hard times force me relinquish my squisher title, but I’ll always be a squisher at heart, my guy. When times are better for me, I’ll gladly rejoin the school of squishers!

[@that_vivian]

Great vid as always, thanks David! Dunno if you've mentioned this before but the green sea symbolising death is also likely from GRMMs Catholic background. In the bible, being baptised is symbolic of dying, being buried, and then being resurrected again. Super cool!

[@DavidLightbringer]

Gosh that seems super obvious now that you pointed out, I should mention that for

[@mercedescreates]

Live-stream, live-stream, we all scream for live-stream! 🌠🥳

[@alexmarkadonis7179]

I have heard it before and I will say it again: Stoneheart will be involved in Jon's resurrection (if it even is Jon who died), since it would be a stone (re)birthing a dragon (assuming Jon is Aegon).

[@MrFredstt]

The stone (greyscale) could also be Shireen and we know Shireen will be burned and to me Melisandre burning Shireen in a blood sacrifice to resurrect Jon fits. Not saying your theory is wrong though just adding my own to the convo

[@nnr77]

lyn is also (old) welsh for lake, in case nobody piped up with that in the stream

[@DavidLightbringer]

That makes even more sense than k youn

[@BudravenOG]

In old Norse lyn means "bright, light, or lightning" also means the same in Danish, but the root word is "lys"... and in English lyn means "waterfall"... Also there's two rivers in England named the west and east Lyn.

[@aminaa5824]

I personally feel like Jaime knew brienne was lying straight away and went with her anyway, I think that’s why we never saw his thoughts after what she said and we only found out he went with her in Cerseis chapter because grrm wanted us to believe he was fooled but he really just went because he was worried about brienne

[@fairweathertrains3029]

While I think it’s a great idea to try to follow KZbin’s ever changing landscape, I’m gonna miss rewatching whole streams. I love your tangents, offhand comments/thoughts out loud its what made me stay subscribed all those years ago! Glad you’re getting the recognition you deserve and I wish I could afford to put some coin your way. Happy new year mate! On a separate note - I am so pleased you’re doing more ASOIAF videos/streams. I haven’t been able to even look at your channel until I saw that you’re back to doing this kind of stuff because I *STILL* haven’t seen HOTD. I can’t wait to see what you have to say about it!

[@DavidLightbringer]

i already changed my mind about this don't worry

[@treacheroustiger5571]

Love the new format. The images really make the entire thing pop!

[@devoleno]

BINGO, I think the original Azor Ahai (Bloodstone Emperor) felt regret after killing Nissa Nissa (Amethyst Empress). I don't think he meant to kill her\didn't believe their kind could be killed. BSE set out to resurrect her, restore life (fire) back into her corps. Essentially BSE is stealing fire (immortality) from the gods of the gemstone emperors. This is what set off the original long night. His experiments created the first fire breathing dragons and dragon riders. BSE\Azor Ahai was defeated and held prisoner in the Weirwood network. However, BSE isn't giving up. BSE's continued attempt for immortality is what has knocked nature out of whack (the seasons, the weirwoods, the magics, dragons, etc)

[@cristiansaucedo4707]

Really good theory. However, I heard that the people of Ghis are supposed to be his people and they seem pretty evil. Do you think they misinterpreted him? Not his people?

[@aryanak1234]

The artwork at 1:02:30 is a great depiction! Really shows how messed up Cat was before getting rezzed by Beric

[@stephaniecruz4153]

Omg thank you for reposting!!! I was so ready for this 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@pauldaskal9510]

David, great job as always.

[@rareplaid]

Enjoying the replay on a cold, grey day off! Thanks again, David. Great shirt!

[@cmschmidt]

I listen to this at work and thought I missed it. Thanks for reposting this new and improved. 😊

[@zachthompson9179]

Thanks for another great video. Your analysis and commentary is second to none. Best of luck with the new channel

[@loribuckingham7284]

I love the way your going to rework your live stream videos! Very excited!

[@daria_mm]

Yay, so glad the stream is back

[@lucashunt4172]

Great job Tyler. Saw so many more adds than usual on the rewatch. Hope those add revs flow into the channel so we can get more of these amazing vids.

[@ciragoettig1229]

yeah polish has an interesting ortography, with both various diacritics on letters, and also some two letter combinations -- but the 'sz' isn't difficult to roughly pronounce, its just a way of writing 'sh', like in 'sheep'. At least the system is relatively regular.. Love the new approach to editing livestreams, checking out the backlog. Thx for your work!

[@arcadechimera]

I listen to your channel daily, often revisiting the same essays. I've been rotating through Bloodstone Compendium, Weirwood Compendium, and Sacred Order of Green Zombies over the last month. I was very excited for this Stoneheart video, as I'd been wondering when you'd get around to it. I have been incredibly pleased that my listening choices the last couple of months have prepared me for this, where you very briefly summarize a lot of those ideas to continue on, so it's been a nice refresher. This was yet another video that completely blew me away with the clarity with which you explain the symbols and what things mean. I'm seeing so many scenes entirely differently now. Also, Weirwood Stigmata sounds like a death metal band specializing in Westerosi covers.

[@DavidLightbringer]

I think I’m getting better at explaining this shit, yeah, and actually I am leading back to the Signs and Portals series right now with this Stoneheart stuff

[@martasimonova8162]

Thank you so much for editing live streams before uploading, I love to watch them while I'm working and I HATED every time you'd take a sip of tea, your mic is too good and the gulp sound drove me crazy

[@gustavmarkovic31]

I wish you and other key literary analysts were consulted after season 4. The thorough understanding of the symbolism that you and others like radio Westeros possess would have saved the show ;( With your authentic eye, season 4 would have definitely ended with stoneheart appearing and that would have been the most epic TV moment since the red wedding.

[@Nordi1_0745]

Such a great KZbin channel about Martin universe! Keep going! The best of his kind

[@ginjamutha]

Yay! Having had a long and emotionally draining weekend, I had just drifted off listening to your livestream at the weekend (admittedly slightly late to the party) dreaming of weirwood trees, Stoneheart, wolves…. and woke up very confused when your voice suddenly stopped and the video was gone. At least this time i have had a better day, I am wide awake, not likely to fall asleep and able to pay attention throughout. Happy Days 😊 I love the whole Stoneheart storyline and can’t wait to see where it goes for her, the Brotherhood, Jaime, Brienne… Arya…

[@Scribe333]

Love the new plan for uploads! I prefer the post quality tbh, and think the live for support method is fair. appreciate you!.. also... Schwaller De Lubicz.... nice....

[@DavidLightbringer]

Haha yeah all the good books about pyramids have him on their bibliography so eventually I found my way there

[@casey9439]

David, when you bring up "deer woman" symbolism, it reminds me of the Ojibwe stories about deer women. George uses a LOT of Ojibwe symbolism. I'd love to discuss the Ojibwe influences on asoiaf with you, or heck, whoever.

[@sierrabird3817]

Oooo I would like to be a fly on the wall for that conversation

[@chrisgarcia5884]

“Peter Pimple is hung…” -LML 55:47 No. It is actually Podric who is hung.

[@autje1970]

Catelyn also brought a raven into the world (Bran).

[@therunningman_]

I love idea for the coming streamlined live videos!

[@watcherofthewest8597]

Thanks LML!!

[@casey9439]

Lyn=line. Usually an important line or demarcation... as in a roslyn being a rose line from the compass rose. so the line to the north is a rosLYN. It might be said that th wall sits on such an important Lyn, or the wards on walls in the story are similar...

[@danlapointe5140]

“Rose line” is sometimes called a wind rose or rose of the winds. You made me think of a rose in the Wall and rose peddles in the wind.

[@cherylbaxter8986]

Hay David great stream my 1st stream as a member

[@DavidLightbringer]

thank you Cheryl!

[@KevStark11]

Whenever George actually gives us the real name for these OG nights watchmen, a lot of people are gonna just call them green zombies cause of you 😂

[@DavidLightbringer]

Haha yeah use gotten around a bit hasn’t it 😈

[@andrzejkopalnia]

Channel still growing and I got my brother attached as well 😝 Praise Garth!

[@melsy2]

Thank you for providing the intricate details of GRR Martin's work

[@jennifertomaiolo]

Will watch every one (well, I don't always catch the liverstream) but I will watch it, maybe more than once :)

[@b0baf00t8]

Near the beginning during Arya's chapter, after the others came out of the river it mentions crows and wolves fighting over the corpses. Since crows and wolves are the most commonly warged animals, it almost sounds like wargs fighting each other. Not sure if that's part of the other's creation story or if I'm looking too deeply into it.

[@DavidLightbringer]

No it’s probably meant to evoke just that. The Others are often wolves in symbolism. They hunt silently through the wood in packs so…

[@KaritKtana]

I recently learned that crows develop relationships with wolf packs in the wild! (shoutout to Casual Geographic 🐺) They can hunt (and even play!) together, and use each other's unique traits and skills so cleverly. Echoes of this symbiotic relationship and the possibility that humans had noticed it hundreds of years ago, is found in Norse mythology, Odin's companion animals.

[@leannepowell8709]

Yay. The lives are too late for me so I love the replay. Saw half of it before work then it was gone and I was gutted 🤣

[@veritasinvicta8128]

Appreciate the stream. Not directly related but I have long theorized that there is a connection between the First Men and Valyrians. Oldtown serves is the Andal capitol from where so many schemes have poured forth from between the trinity of power that is the Citadel, Starry Sept and Hightower. Somehow they serve the others imho, possibly without even knowing consciously. Stone heart

[@ericherbert8253]

"i don't want intimate relations with any of the zombies" what a disclosure aahhaha

[@UZiBLASTER7]

I don’t know if you mention this (I haven’t watched the whole thing) but I’ve been catching with your old podcasts so I just wanted to comment here cause it got to do with Cat. She kinda works as a “solar figure” at the beginning by being promised to “fiery” Brandon but then after his death she’s left with “cold” Ned. She doesn’t marries Brandon per se but I think there’s something there. Same with Robert and Lyanna / Cersei, even though Lyanna is ice she is described as this fiery, brave, fighting kind of person (english is not my first language) and then after her death he’s left with Cersei, who’s described as “icy” in the Jon pov in GOT when he’s looking at the whole group of Lannisters come in for the dinner. Been listening to the audiobook in Spanish and I’ve been picking up on a lot of those symbolisms and also kinda bummed some have been lost in translation (“they’re hiding under the snow”). Well keep up to great work. Also any way you’ll upload these as “audio only” podcasts on spotify or something similar? Those are what keep me sane while at work.

[@DavidLightbringer]

i need to catch up on the podcast feed and yes, there's a repeated pattern of ice and fire women. Sometimes the order is shuffled or whatever but yeah, Elia and Lyanna, Jon has Ygritte and Val, Stannis has Selyse and Mel, and so on

[@ShOot4theStArZ_aim4theMoOn13]

DARK IS MY SHIEEEEET 💯💯🔥🔥

[@GreyWasteTim]

I was wondering why I couldn't find this vid for the rewatch the next morning. Damn youtube fucking up the algorithm again

[@DavidLightbringer]

I took it down and edited it and reposted but I don’t know if I’m gonna keep doing that.

[@Tinkerbe11]

David, when are you releasing the 1899 video, you were teasing in the live stream of this video? I'm looking forward to that!

[@DavidLightbringer]

It’s out on the moon media channel!

[@watcherofthewest8597]

Great to see your work expanding, David! You make cool stuff. I don't see GRRM giving us answers or full answers to a lot of the deeper squisher, weirwood network or sword of the dawn stuff. I know your not saying it will all get answered because youve done a great job at showing the connections and that is maybe just where GRRM wants to leave it. Do you ever worry that a lot of things we've talked about and theories you've developed will never really get addressed by GRRM? Just curious how you think he will handle all that. Thanks again!!

[@DavidLightbringer]

Actually I think a lot will be revealed. If I’m right about the wwnet having been invaded by AA, then we should see the greenseer hivemind extracted from the trees and put in Bran’s brain. If the first LN was caused by a moon meteor, then the new one will be too. Etc etc. Most theories do end up making predictions that we will be able to test. Bran will also see certain past events, and Dany will be using a glass candle to learn ancient truths. Sam is reading books, and Jon is about to have some gnarly dreams while he’s dead.

[@DavidLightbringer]

And thanks for the kind words!

[@watcherofthewest8597]

@@DavidLightbringer thank you. I forgot about the glass candles! I think your right and I hope we get some awesome visions and green dreams! Thank you! Keep up the great work!!

[@pratzuli]

Aegon Frey and Cat’s AA/NN symbolism is so interesting. Cat becomes a weirwood, then comes out of the weirwood to settle scores and get revenge. Jinglebell as AA is helpless, abandoned, and sacrificed by an outside force (Lord Walder) which forces Cat’s grief driven insanity and her knife hand. So, would Lord Walder actually be AA here? He’s planned to plunge the sword for a while, when he kills Robb, Cat’s only known living child, she transforms, while Lord Walder successfully forges a new alliance and mostly ends the war of the five kings. Too much of a stretch? Lord Walder could also be plunging a magic sword into a wolf instead of a lion, representing the brittleness of the newly forged alliance as well.

[@pratzuli]

Also, if this relates to sudden changes in power dynamics, perhaps the traitors of the nights watch kill more than just Jon - it would make sense to clean house of Snow’s loyalists too, and wouldn’t it be unexpected to raise all the dead NW at once? Mel talks about how unexpectedly powerful her magic is at the wall. Shireen for 13. Not a bad trade, to paraphrase Lord Walder.

[@paperlionkid1787]

This is for the algorithm.

[@ContactsNfilters]

Along with mythology and symbolism I also love a bit of true crime and now they seem to be combining somewhat. I'm following a story about someone who is currently in jail and most of his charges are unindicted so far. He has a video on his IG about washing in the green green waters, asking for forgiveness and moving forward, and it seems to be a ritual that he was doing at least once a year. It was also in the charges that he finessed at least one person into signing a contract in blood. So it's been alledged by more than a couple people that he's been performing a kind of seggs magic. Many of the alledged victims have been too afraid to come forward until now, but I think as their stories get out he may gain a little more notariaty than he currently has. When you mentioned the bit about being stabbed and then a baby coming from that version it reminded me that 🍆 used to be referred to as the sword while the birth cannal word literally came from the word meaning "sheath." The C word if I'm not mistaken. 😂

[@paperlionkid1787]

This is also for the algorithm.

[@stefanbabel6401]

Looking forward to getting some in depth break down once that hallowed book TWOW drops

[@Texans23]

There were 420 likes when I hit play... I was torn but I had to do it lol

[@motorcitymangababe]

I find it interesting that sandor saved both arya and sanda from something that could be argued to be a riot.

[@joemckeown4612]

This is peak LML at his very best.

[@alecolson8360]

Hey David just checking in, was wondering if you would ever consider doing Elden Ring commentary as I think the Elden Ring lore community would really get a lot out of your perspective. You would probably have to collab with someone so I get it if that might not be possible. But as a George RR Martin fan it feels like an extension of his love for fantasy and a chance for him to flex his writing skills in a high fantasy setting. A lot of ideas that did not fit the setting of ASOIAF seemed to have ended up in there, in particular I would say ASOIAF is to feudalism is what Elden Ring is to Christianity and religion. Edit: if you did a stream with quelaag I bet it would be a good time Edit 2: some things I thought of while watching the stream, Alchemical Weddings- there are a lot of these in Elden Ring Radagon and Renalla as a marriage to make Radagon complete, Marika and the Elden Lords, Marika as a Vessel for the Ring Destined death-what does it mean to die a true death, Japanese concept of Ikegai, relationship of rot, death, and life. Malenia and Radahn both are such classic GRR characters, incredibly fleshed out and dynamic yet trapped by their own desires. Fia, Deathbed Companion seems similar to a corpse queen, and her motivation is classic George. Her companion Lionel is also extremely GRR vibes. Moons and celestial bodies- stars governing fates, the sun and the moon having different aspects, the celestial bodies reflecting the drama of the physical world and vice-versa Godfrey and Radagon as a reflection of the Hero in media/culture- this one is interesting because both give off Main Character vibes like Rhaegar, however we get to compare and contrast them so they show how this trope evolved and changed over time. Tree symbolism/ trees as parasites, Yggdrasil, crucifixion The idea of the Fingers of god, hand symbolism, three fingers vs two fingers- in particular the nature of religious orders and how religious practice influences all of culture and society. Marika as a fertility goddess, a hermaphrodite, a prophet. The idea of bringing some cultures into the fold while burying others and trying to erase their traditions. The Greater Will and collective consciousness. A lot of the central questions in the Elden Ring lore community have to do with the intentions of Marika and some of these various demigods, I think this is where your perspective on George and how he uses symbolism could really provide a fresh take.

[@DavidLightbringer]

Yeah I once thought to play through the game for the lore, but alas, no time. I need to watch a YT vid on the lore alone, apparently a lot of mythical astronomy ideas made it in there from what people say

[@staytuned2L337]

Should be interesting to see the difference between the live and edited

[@Secean]

Another aspect of wordplay: Lyn means lightning and lightning bolt in Danish

[@DavidLightbringer]

So far we’ve got lake, wall, and lightning for Lyn. They all make sense. Hahah

[@jancecharlesaustin3733]

Do you think maybe all Valerian steel requires a sacrifice? Could lightbringer have been the first?

[@Thomk121]

Do you think there is any connection between stone heart and thistle. In the Vlad six skins chapter when he dies and he tries to enter thistle she bites her tongue and scratches at her face, just like Catelyn scratches at her face after robb died. Catelyn also had her throat cut so now she can't speak either like thistle. Then thistle became a ice wight and stone heart became a fire wight, and both look like the wierwood faces all bloody and pale white.

[@michaeltavizon8333]

Rewatch binge 🎉

[@sean5558]

Spotted skin and cat eyes? I wonder if the Tiger Woman the BloodStone Emperors took was actually like Children of the Forest

[@DavidLightbringer]

Probably so

[@evildanae]

i was so worried i wouldn’t be able to watch 😭

[@eltarosedamronsperry7731]

in welsh lynn means lake, i was also thinking about Robb's Crown of swords and the similarities of swords and thorns

[@noahh2338]

Love the shirt!..courtney killed kurt by the way..lol..as always love the content big Dave..and what up grey waste! You're a dynamo yo..

[@vanessasempireoftwigs198]

I was just thinking about the justifications of how they are gonna bring dany back for the jon snow show. If they bring dany back to life they can just ret con to their best ability and finish the series on tv. It would be crazy if grrm decided to write it and just finished the series that way.

[@mjean6762]

My anxiety needs for George to release this next book. I badly need to go to Westeros and live out the rest of these stories with my friends and foes alike.

[@lolsous]

For someone who doesn't really care about the specific platform peaks, is it better (pays more to David) to be a patreon or youtube member?

[@DavidLightbringer]

patron, just slightly, but do whatever you feel like, it's all appreciated!

[@lolsous]

@@DavidLightbringer Good to hear! I should have looked up exchange rates before though, patreon was pricey at the moment for my poor struggling currency and healthy VAT. It will be youtube member for the moment at least. Very happy to finally join though!!!

[@conniesuper9892]

Moon media sounds alot like moon meteor...hmmm

[@DavidLightbringer]

HMMMMMMMMM

[@lukenelson2888]

LML do you think there's any reason symbolically for many of the valyrian steel swords being taken/stolen from their rightful owner in the main story of ASOIAF? Some examples of this would be: - Ice being taken from the Starks and given to Ilyn Payne then split - Samwell being forced to go to the wall by his father and thus losing his rights to Horn Hill and Heartsbane to his younger brother - Longclaw being taken from Jorah Mormont and then given to Jon Snow instead - Even the catspaw's dagger was (allegedly) taken from Robert Baratheon's collection by Joffrey and given to the catspaw to kill Bran - In some ways both Dark Sister and Blackfyre have been stolen from their rightful owners since both are currently lost Just noticed an interesting pattern here and thought there may be something to it. Thoughts?

[@DavidLightbringer]

perhaps something having to do with how Azor Ahai's lightbringer became the last hero's dragonsteel, since i think AA became NK and dragonsteel would have been used against him. There's a bunch of stuff about stealing dawn too - the NK is stealing dawn by causing the LN so it's thematic thing

[@multimediafan6777]

Jaehaerys and his mother Alyssa essentialy stealing Dark Sister from Visenya's corpse and it also being fished out of the lake after the battle above the god's eye almost 100 years later.

[@alexishenry4434]

The pretender to the throne is a common story in many myths. I think GRRM does this to retell a large background story in a way that flies under the radar with most readers

[@cherylbaxter8986]

Why did Jeffrey want Brann dead he didn't know what happened in the tower with his mother an " uncle " I know he didn't like the starks but it's just made me think about it 🗡

[@lukenelson2888]

@@cherylbaxter8986 It comes from a Tyrion pov chapter (I think) in Storm of Swords where he comes to the conclusion that Joffrey must have ordered the assassination to please Robert since Robert had made a comment about nobody should live as a cripple or something like that and the dagger was in Robert's collection but never used by him. Tyrion and Jaime also have a conversation and come to the same conclusion. Neither of them really know if Joffrey did it or not.

[@adzbeck7681]

Hey lightbringer I’ve been sticking pictures of the game of thrones characters all over my neighbourhood for a while now and it’s a little bit of a hobby now specially because people haven’t been taking them down, I’ve wrote on the back of them with my phone number saying if they find 10 cards I’ll give them a prize 😂 I’ll keep you posted if someone wins the game.. I’ve literally got 50 cards left so they’ll be getting glued to random bus stops and lampposts.. soon there’s going to be game of thrones characters on every single street in bestwood Nottingham 😂

[@jewelcoutcher1059]

when are we going to be able to purchase paradise gained?

[@BudravenOG]

Missed opportunity to call it stick-mata, but seriously. 17:36 "Ten fierce ravens were raking her face with sharp talons..." Hmm... In Chinese mythology, the crow is associated with the sun. Here too, it is a three-legged bird named Sanzuwu. According to the myth, there were originally TEN “Sun Ravens.” Only one of them rose in the sky at a single point of time. However, one day they decided to rise all at once, blotting out the sun like an eclipse. The effects of this were devastating to the Earth, so the gods sent an archer to shoot down nine of them. One remained and the Earth returned to normal. The Chinese myth portrays how the life-giving sun may also be dangerous to humankind. 20:54 also the trident looks like forked lightning, like the stolen fire of the gods

[@markaaronvestil8441]

Catelyn's mother is MiNISA Whent Tully. Come to think of it, Littlefinger have the hots for the Tully sisters, then Sansa. All of them have red hair; is he also a Last Hero figure? Broken swords rings bell for me with LF. There is one in the Baelish Keep (w/ the titan head shield), and one tying him up to the titan of braavos( from whence his grandgrand dad is from), the statue who also have a broken sword. (Broken sword looks like a short sword/dagger). I know the targaryens brought the Catspaw dagger to Westeros but it is possible that the one who forged it are the braavosi ancestors/Facelessmen and is the prophesied one. LF, one of the most non magical but scheming character, might be the devil in the details GRRM have been hiding from us.

[@markaaronvestil8441]

and also missing plot in the novel, the Tullys and Petyr Baelish not mentioned in the Harrenhal Tourney considering Minisa is a Whent. My bet is Petyr Baelish is the Knight of the Laughing Tree. And we know Petyr Baelish always have a part in all the Tourneys esp. Joffrey's nameday prebooks(the one framing tyrion on the bet of the dagger) the one with Ser Hugh of the Vale, the one woth Dontos(Joffreys bday) and Harry the Heir in TWOW. Except for the Harrenhal Tourney. hmmm

[@DavidLightbringer]

Littlefinger is a trickster figure. The cats paw blade isn’t really important in the books, and could not have been forged by anyone but Valyria. All these characters are echoes of the last hero or Nissa Nissa or whomever. It’s not literal. But yes, you got it, the broken sword over the mantle is a last hero clue. He pilots the Merling King ship, so he’s a king of the green see

[@markaaronvestil8441]

@@DavidLightbringer I guess it will be. With the dagger, being the weapon on Bran's attempt assasination. Why that particular dagger, and why Bran..Do you think it's also poetic because Bran has the same name w/ Brandon Stark, Cat's first husband to be? and I guess someone out there really knows what Bran is capable of...

[@Henbot]

If you think about it, if it is Rhllor power then Beric was chosen not Lady Cat - so maybe it is an example of when Rhllor power is used on those it is not meant for? Hence creating a Corpse Queen.

[@johnnysmall]

Lets go Tyler!!!

[@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215]

Hail Lucifer means Lightbringer!

[@AlohaMaesterHand]

George is definitely hung-up on redheads, it is known, LOL . . . Both of his wives had red hair . . . His other works also have important redheads in them, I think.

[@Fathoms09]

That spicy/mostly - dead beauty.

[@twixbar4785]

ahhh missed the stream by a bees dick once again, thanks for the stream mate will watch at work

[@cailindennis2121]

Why did the Frey’s throw only Catelyn into the River? Is it a twinge of remorse coupled with the old tale about water halls beneath the water?

[@DavidLightbringer]

it seems a mockery of the Tully funeral rites

[@brettstalling2269]

Yayyy

[@andrzejkopalnia]

The BwB got basically Cat-fished. I'll see myself out....

[@cjdayne3033]

I like how you see and notice things that I don’t until you point it out. But respectfully, do you believe all the dots you’re connecting are intentional by George? And do you think sometimes you are reading too much into something ?

[@playerkit]

Symbolism doesn't have to be intentional.

[@nistico60]

Since Cat outlived Robb at the Red Wedding, Beric giving life to the corpse queen, Cat, would have even deeper meaning should it be the case that Robb named her heir of the North and not JS.

[@veritasinvicta8128]

But he named Jon.

[@nistico60]

@@veritasinvicta8128 I could be mistaken, but I heard that George corrected an interviewer that assumed Jon was named heir.

[@milkmilk2328]

For a smoother consumer experience

[@DavidLightbringer]

that's it!

[@craigsmith3741]

I support the algorithm for lucifer

[@allunreal3438]

Renly also appears to be Nissa Nissa, not just a geen "man". The gender inconsistency here might be foreshadowed by Renly being gay.

[@roddo1955]

Liking the stoneheart fire/ice zombie/Azor-Nissa talk. How it mirrors and recycles throughout the story. I like to think that Cersei will eventually be 'wighted'. Jamie stabs her through the heart with his Valerian steel sword, she resurrects but... riddled with guilt and burning self-hatred, she begs Jamie to strangle her. End her for good.Her little brother clasping his hands around her pale throat as she dies in agony and exasty....prophesy fulfilled. Also. you said:"Peter Pimple is hung" at around the 55:30 mark Me: "How hung is he? Enough to take a knee for?" Hardy har har... Yes I have been awake 48 hrs. Listening as I'm cleaning my bathroom. I have the zoomies.

[@DavidLightbringer]

Hahhaha

[@sean5558]

1:27:25 and I miss my Uncle Charles

[@louiscassis3426]

For the watch.

[@TheHistoryWitch]

How do we become a squisher?

[@DavidLightbringer]

The join button!!