Symbolism of the Matrix | System Failure

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Jonathan Pageau

Jonathan Pageau

6 жыл бұрын

The Matrix has come to permeate much of our social discourse today. The movie is full of symbolic references, but most importantly it is the structure of the movie which gives us most insight about what it is the Wachowski siblings are painting for us, a battle between tyranny and freedom which can also be seen as order and chaos. In the end, the Matrix still speaks clearly to many of the questions being asked today.
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@bademantil6046
@bademantil6046 6 жыл бұрын
Revolutionaries stared down into the abyss for to long, and they became the system itself.
@trevorprime2274
@trevorprime2274 6 жыл бұрын
That's how it always work.
@ArchAngelWW3
@ArchAngelWW3 6 жыл бұрын
It is always interesting to see how limited an individuals viewpoint is when they do not have all of the information. This is a terrific presentation but without knowing the truth of our reality, you become stuck in overly complicated analysis that leads to a big waste of time. I would have loved this video 10 years ago.
@disruptivetimes8738
@disruptivetimes8738 6 жыл бұрын
ArchAngelWW3 What then? In 10 Years from now, this video will be as valid as it is today, but maybe not usefull anymore. Thats how everything turns.
@lmeza1983
@lmeza1983 6 жыл бұрын
but the system was reset and it will be again eventually, thats the whole balance thing in a nutshell you cant have anarchy or fascism, none works for long.
@workinpromo
@workinpromo 6 жыл бұрын
But we can't just be anarchists lol. We need to think further here, revolt for the sake of revolt is ludicrous.
@tensevo
@tensevo 5 ай бұрын
i love how "down the rabbit hole" is now attributed to the matrix, when it goes back way before, but to find out, you will have to go down the rabbit hole
@AugustusBohn0
@AugustusBohn0 5 жыл бұрын
fun bit of trivia: originally the machines were using the cognitive processing of people's brains rather than using humans as batteries but they decided that would go over the audience's heads at the time.
@wakingthevillageidiot
@wakingthevillageidiot 3 ай бұрын
The fourth movie introduces that change.
@victormatheusvictor8554
@victormatheusvictor8554 6 жыл бұрын
My mind has been blown. I have watched many analyses of matrix, but this one has no comparison. It is the best i've seen so far. I love your work mr. Pageau, please keep up! Can't wait for your brother's book.
@JonathanPageau
@JonathanPageau 6 жыл бұрын
Coming soon I hope. We will be putting up some videos when it happens.
@TheJeremyKentBGross
@TheJeremyKentBGross 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, but my other top pick is the one that explains how they never actually leave the matrix the entire trilogy, and the other is about how it is actually Agent Smith that is "The One" and who fulfils the prophecy rather than neo. Those two are actually companion videos that cross reference each other. I see if i can find..
@TheJeremyKentBGross
@TheJeremyKentBGross 5 жыл бұрын
Neo isn't the one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJywhmSjgMmqhqs
@TheJeremyKentBGross
@TheJeremyKentBGross 5 жыл бұрын
I think this is the other: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYS5nYJ3pMihbqc
@CeceliPS3
@CeceliPS3 5 жыл бұрын
What's so special about this analysis? He basically said - based only on the first movie - that Neo and his crew are revolutionaries fighting to take down the system and get chaos installed. I say 2 things about this, even though this was another amazing way to look at Matrix: first, there way more more profound insights about this movie out there and, second, this point of view becomes pointless in comparison to the next 2 titles of the franchise, partly because much greater questions - not distraction - surface.
@heresmytake2782
@heresmytake2782 3 жыл бұрын
Are we all just going to ignore Neo's drivers license expiring on SEPTEMBER 11TH 2001?
@jonathanmcniel6483
@jonathanmcniel6483 3 жыл бұрын
Really?
@freshli1
@freshli1 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanmcniel6483 Yes, you can see it in the file presented by Smith in the scene in wich Neo gets his mouth shut and the bug into his belly button.
@rivolinho
@rivolinho 2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit
@marcuscato3599
@marcuscato3599 Жыл бұрын
Look up the dancing Isrealis on 9/11. Celebration in New York during the blood sacrafice of Goyim
@ConsistentCed
@ConsistentCed Жыл бұрын
@@rivolinho watch Mark Passio. Neo represents our neocortex, the seat of care and conscience. They ATTEMPTED to destroy that on 9/11, but failed. It was predictive programming, for sure
@marfin4325
@marfin4325 3 жыл бұрын
I think the movie "The Truman Show" is the counter to the "Matrix". In that movie Truman seeks to free himself from his overly ordered system at his own expense, not at others. Truman is given a choice to accept the reality presented to him or to put himself at risk and exposure for trying to leave that society.
@SuperCulverin
@SuperCulverin Жыл бұрын
They think we are sheep. They think we will follow the stars. Public awareness is their greatest fear.
@isaiahdesjarlais1454
@isaiahdesjarlais1454 11 ай бұрын
That's fucking scary
@RochesFan
@RochesFan 6 жыл бұрын
19:16 Notice what's on the screen: as we zoom in on the "SYSTEM FAILURE" message, eventually our view glides _between_ the space between M and F-Male and Female, the Masculine and Feminine. The Wachowskis included "Switch"-an androgynous woman who seems to identify as a male-as part of the crew of the Nebuchadnezzar, and the Wachowskis themselves eventually "switched," didn't they? Their internal feelings must have been at odds with their male biology-hence their eventual transitioning. Their perspectives must have been ones that had been moulded by this fundamental contradiction: that if their subjective experience wasn't morally "wrong" per se, then the standard cultural systems of gender categorization (which over 99% of people have no issue with at all) are to blame for the lack of cultural guideposts to explain their inner contradictions with their outer selves. I can understand how such an experience could spur a profound revaluation of all systems, recasting them as oppressive constructs as a rule unless proved otherwise. (Though even the crew of the Nebuchadnezzar needed a captain and division of labour, implying they couldn't dispense with all hierarchy and order.) As much as I flipped for this film as a young kid, I'm somewhat more jaded about this film's message, now that I can perceive its fundamental revolutionary stance against nearly all order as such. That was a great commentary, Jonathan-one of my favourite things you've done so far.
@airbornmartin3238
@airbornmartin3238 5 жыл бұрын
I still believe they only switched for media PR fluff
@rathelmmc3194
@rathelmmc3194 5 жыл бұрын
You really need to look at the story as the whole trilogy. This analysis is correct for the first movie, but by the third movie Neo does sacrifice himself to re-order the system. So it's not like the Wachoskis don't see value in order.
@gymnast2890
@gymnast2890 5 жыл бұрын
@@airbornmartin3238 Clearly you've never seen Sense8, which they ruined with their overzealousness towards gender. It had great potential had they made their point, but it dwindled until the gender issues were the only thing left. They didn't even bother to wrap up the storyline of one character....well, if you consider the MOST UNREALISTIC CHOICE IMAGINABLE for the character "wrapping up the storyline". It's like the entire show existed only to support gay rights. Even when it made no sense to what the concept of the show was, which was really good, & even CONTRADICTED the concept & I'm not the only one disappointed/disgusted. One of them left in the 2nd season, but they are HIGHLY overrated. I beg to differ. You don't throw a great concept down the toilet to promote gay people & transgender...unless feel so deeply it ruins your objectivity.
@gymnast2890
@gymnast2890 5 жыл бұрын
Did you watch Sense8 & how it was butchered to promote the gay/transgender subplot?
@TheJeremyKentBGross
@TheJeremyKentBGross 5 жыл бұрын
@@gymnast2890 I liked the first season, never saw the second. However i had an old friend transitioning at the time, and the connectivity in the show seemed to mirror aspects of social media, so i just really liked it for capturing my general feelings/experience around when it came out, despite LGBT being a bit heavy for my preferences. But the world is big enough for such perspectives, i thought... However i have completely lost patience with the transgender thing. Mainly because my acceptance was based in a libertarian, live and let live, I actively support your right to live as you wish without persecution, etc frame of reference. But it turns out that isn't good enough. If i don't deny biological sex, consider people not sexually attracted to trans folks to be bigoted transphobes, or am understanding that some people will react negatively or even violently upon discovering they were being tricked and deceived into sex on false pretenses (so just don't play that way and be honest and upfront), well I'm apparently a hateful person who "supports violence against trans people", "literally shaking", "fear you for my life", etc etc bullshit, despite that i said no such thing. And nothing could be said to resolve ir clarify it except possibly outright lie to be complicit in lies, self deception, and attempted deception of others. I just wouldn't do it. Too bad too. One of my best friends for over a decade, whose transition I initially supported, unlike the outright personal rejected that came from both parents. I kinda suspect maybe alienation was actually the point. I've never had a friend willfully distort my words or position so blatantly before, especially not to end a friendship with an ultimatum over a blatant strawman. It was unreal, and makes me think the mental disorder critics might not all be off base.
@danielburton1046
@danielburton1046 Жыл бұрын
Man. This is good. Just watching 4 years later. I love your cinematic symbolic explanatory videos. This one is great!
@diemaehne
@diemaehne 6 жыл бұрын
It is so great to see the level of editing done here. Whenever the words spoken in the movie synch up with those by Jonathan it shows the love for details. Great video, thank you!
@adomalyon1
@adomalyon1 6 жыл бұрын
This analysis is spot on. Id just point out that, much like the Dune novels, the Matrix sequels were met with much disappointment and confusion, and for much the same reason. Why? Because they deconstruct the notion that a Gnostic/Nietzchean hero can prove sufficient to save the world simply by being 'the One'. In fact in the Architect (Demiurge/Nimrod archetype) scene, 'The One' is proven to be the most subtle and malevolent form of control, and only by choosing to save 'Trinity' from her fall, can Neo progress in his journey towards the 'bringing together' of man and machine, body and soul, in peace. Also I like the idea that the two senior programs on the Matrix are the Architect (modernism/consequentialism/Aristotle) and the Oracle (post-modernism/Oracle of Delphi/occultism). That leaves the only real way for the individual to escape this false dialectic as Plato (heirarchy of values, rationalism, acknowledgment of the uncertainty of physical observations/ logical deduction).
@Xanaseb
@Xanaseb 6 жыл бұрын
Flavius Belisarius interesting comparison with the Dune Series, I haven't read them since I was a teen, so I haven't looked at them in the deeper way in which I might be able to now. Do you have any more comments on it in terms of symbolism & meaning? I actually enjoyed reading the other books after the first book, just not to the same extent
@adomalyon1
@adomalyon1 6 жыл бұрын
Well obviously the worms are highly phallic. Thy also represent the Jungian dragon, the monster of the deeps that guard the pearl of great price (the spice). The fremen are the wild masculine that is forced to the boundaries by a decadent society, and made strong through their adversity. Think about the sandworms- what brings their wrath upon the traveller? Rhythmical footsteps and the activation of an energy shield. The shield is much like the wall in Pacific Rim, it is ultimately a terrible solution to hide from a dragon behind a wall! The rhythmical footsteps is more subtle. It represents the danger of society becoming unconscious, plodding rhythmically into the future and thereby inviting disaster. To avoid this the fremen walk arythmically, i.e. each step is a conscious act. Also each of the power groups represent a faculty of mind, taken to the extreme; Spacing Guild- Rational Prediction, Mentats- empirical modelling, Bene Gesserit- Intuition and self control, Ixians: Automation/machine reliance, Tleilax- Biological essentialist materialist. All of these groups show both the strength and the pathology/weakness of over-specialising these faculties of mind, i.e. becoming unbalanced.
@Xanaseb
@Xanaseb 6 жыл бұрын
Flavius Belisarius thanks this was decent. There's lots more besides, I would bet. Powerful story, Dune.
@adomalyon1
@adomalyon1 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Frank Herbert was probably the strongest Jungian thinker I've ever seen, apart from JPB, of course! :)
@Xanaseb
@Xanaseb 6 жыл бұрын
Flavius Belisarius I read Dune before Jung, but now you say it, yes!
@Carthangion
@Carthangion 3 жыл бұрын
The Matrix has been an all time favorite since I was a child and I'm a huge believer in mass societal deception, so based on those facts I think you did an amazing job analyzing this work and wish I could have articulated it this well myself. Love your work!
@caseyl.9958
@caseyl.9958 5 жыл бұрын
It’s pretty cool how many movies are starting to function like literature. It’s almost like a new form of literature and I think it’s pretty amazing. I have a feeling many directors are going to go down in history as being as important as the great writers we already admire so much.
@TheOGJeff
@TheOGJeff Жыл бұрын
Any updates for 2023? Lol
@tensevo
@tensevo 5 ай бұрын
wut?
@kingdomcome1617
@kingdomcome1617 5 жыл бұрын
10:22, one of the most memorable (for me anyways) parts of the film followed this scene. Would he have knocked the vase over if she hadn't said anything? - Showing even the all seeing oracle has her limits. It also displays the effects of him being manipulated in to a specific direction, and what the "system" actually knows, as well as how he can be free. If he were "still" after being told that instead of naturally looking around for the vase, the oracle's limits and a piece of her truths would have been shown to him then and there.
@angyangy970
@angyangy970 Жыл бұрын
"Alice in Wonderland" and "Through looking glass" also inspired the director of mouvie, there are many symbols like the white rabbit, the cat, the dream and so on
@blunttrauma5300
@blunttrauma5300 6 жыл бұрын
This was excellent Jonathan, keep up the good work!
@donjuanfrogprince8421
@donjuanfrogprince8421 6 жыл бұрын
Dude you’re the best, please keep doing this, it’s such a joy to listen to your wisdom after a hard days work
@IonelG56
@IonelG56 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, this was an exceptional video. I have seen many of the symbols in the Matrix myself but was never able to put them all together . Thank you!
@markblocker3310
@markblocker3310 4 жыл бұрын
As a very well read, deep thinker; may I say, WELL DONE! I am so impressed by the three analysis videos of yours that I have watched. Most brilliant and spot on.
@koala1234ish
@koala1234ish 6 жыл бұрын
Yay, I've been waiting for a video from Jonathan! Made my day :)
@JonathanPageau
@JonathanPageau 6 жыл бұрын
Happy I can make your day, even if it is talking about the dystopian dreams of revolution and absolute control.
@obedbagona7402
@obedbagona7402 3 жыл бұрын
Much respect from the Philippines, Jonathan! Great work. Thank God for your life.
@thegoldenthread
@thegoldenthread 6 жыл бұрын
Jonathan this is great. I've always been a big fan of the Matrix, V for Vendetta, and Cloud Atlas, while acknowledging that this "Trilogy of Openness" by the Wachowskis is missing balance. They NAIL the potential tyrannies of order and hierarchies, but don't pay sufficient respect to their positive and necessary role in our worlds. Just covering half the story can be powerful and inspiring, but may be dangerous in precise proportion to its motivational power, as it's an incomplete representation of being. That said, as narratives of the open temperament's perspective go, I don't think there have ever been better ones. Imagine what they could make if they saw the whole picture.
@joshsepicisraelwalk3324
@joshsepicisraelwalk3324 6 жыл бұрын
Cloud Atlas is an amazing film. Do that one next, Jonathan!
@Tyler_W
@Tyler_W 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent comment. I have to wonder though, don't they actually affirm order in the Matrix and to some extent V for Vendetta? (they were producers, not the directors mind you.) When the controls of the system are destroyed at the end of The Matrix Revolutions, it's not just chaos. Both the Matrix and Zion, both ordered systems, still exist at the end, and this ending that comes about with the sacrifice of Neo is not portrayed as the lesser of two evils but as a good ending. A new established order is set in place, one where people are free to leave the Matrix unharrassed at will if they so chose, and where man and machine are reconciled, or at least a peace is brokered. Zion itself has a hierarchy as exemplified by the presence of a council and military to defend the people and borders of Zion. Even the crews of the hacker groups breaking into the Matrix like the Nebuchadnezzar have a clearly structured hierarchy where each person fulfils a particular role and function in the crew. They didn't throw off all order. I think they were primarily raging against the machine of corrupt and tyrannical order, which as you said, they identified very well. Same happens in V for Vendetta. V actially does just want chaos and destruction of the old corrupt order at first, but he actually changes course at the end. He says that the only legitimate revolution is the one which is supported by the overwhelming democratic will of the people. He says he has no right to start the revolution himself as a single act of one man with a vendetta and that those who do push reform, embodied by Evvie Hammond (I think that's her name), are tasked with the responsibility of taking the chaos and destruction of the old order and replacing it with one more free and just. These films clearly advocate that anarchy is superior to tyrannical order, but none of them really suggest that anarchy is the ultimate good. Both the Matrix trilogy and V fir Vendetta end in an establishment or hopeful establishment of a different, better order. I think this analysis is excellent, but I don't necessarily think the film was truly intended to imply that all order is evil and all hierarchy oppressive, merely that those which are tyrannical and corrupt are illegitimate illusions that must be replaced by a better, more fair and freedom minded state of o order.
@gracefool
@gracefool 5 жыл бұрын
@@Tyler_W of course - one can't deny all order without being completely contradictory. The message is the same as that of all revolutionaries: we need to start over, and do it right this time. But yes there's something different going on in the sequels, some recognition that revolutions are doomed to fail. Revolutionary collectivism is contrasted against individual, specific love, and the latter is upheld as superior. Whereas in the first, individual love was the means or inspiration for revolution. This is why people don't like the sequels: there's no reconciliation of the two. It moves beyond good verses evil. The sacrifice of love is made but it doesn't seem to achieve anything. Love is good but it doesn't fix the future. Self-annihilation / nirvana is the best one can hope for. It's essentially the Buddhist story, while the first film was more like a gnostic inversion of the Christian story. The first film fits very well with the Western mindset (individualism / glorified rebellion, with Christian influence), while the sequels move further in the direction the West has been heading for the last few generations: from modernist rationale & worship of science and the mind, to postmodern intuition & worship of the body).
@MakinWAVs
@MakinWAVs 5 жыл бұрын
they do acknowledge it though--in the second movie Neo and Councillor Hamann discuss the discourse between the necessity of machines to the survival of Zion.
@asad5067
@asad5067 5 жыл бұрын
what are you talking abotu?
@whittakerdanielj
@whittakerdanielj 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic commentary. It hints at an in road into the way the mind works and how ideas can influence people. Presenting small ideas consistently or philosophies interconnecting with "social structures" that touch upon the struggles in Life, can bring the ideas presented in the movie as consistent with reality. Therein lies the issue. Creating a drama, a struggle of "realities" between truths as we are told all have their own truth. Thus an illusion of conflict, or an overblown idea a struggle in life.
@dumanimjo609
@dumanimjo609 3 жыл бұрын
I do hope you are rewarded handsomely, as this is a mind-blowing analysis, and I cannot fathom the hours it took to put together.
@evolvingerinb
@evolvingerinb 6 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful video. I have been using your methods in my life and am finding so much out, but as well identifying stuff that is just a story, and not taking it to far. This is a great practice one and your insight is truly valuable. Thank you so much.
@philliprowe9473
@philliprowe9473 6 жыл бұрын
Dude...this was amazing and original. I was always a fan of the matrix but this made me pause about what it really meant. As a humble suggestion, there is a collection of short animated stories called the Animatrix. I took as much profound and embodied relevation from the Animatrix as from the matrix. Well worth your time. Thank you.
@feralsound
@feralsound 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Please dive into the sequels as well. I'd love to hear your take on them, as I feel they go several layers deeper than the original in exploring ideas like free will & faith.
@JonathanPageau
@JonathanPageau 6 жыл бұрын
I will have to watch them again. The problem with the sequels is that they are so convoluted and mired in bad story telling.
@feralsound
@feralsound 6 жыл бұрын
I felt the same way when they first came out, but watching them a decade later as an adult found them very resonant. I think what you may have perceived as bad story telling is the scripts' intentionally being symbolic and obtuse, and not at all easy to digest. It probably took me 3 viewings before I understood what was even happening/being said in the second film. Although I guess one could make a case that is by definition bad story telling.
@danielgradisar6817
@danielgradisar6817 6 жыл бұрын
By the third Neo sacrifices himself to SAVE the matrix, so it resolves the fundamental order issue
@andrewstallard6927
@andrewstallard6927 6 жыл бұрын
I have to agree. (BTW, great analysis Mr. Pageau) In the third film Neo has to take on a rogue Agent Smith who no longer serves the Matrix, and Neo ultimately saves The Matrix. I tend to think Neo is taking the role of the modern social justice warrior who while posturing as a defender of the downtrodden will usually side with institutional power structures such as universities, tech companies and intelligence agencies in an attempt to crush rogue "racist and sexist" elements in society. The poor storytelling in that film is perhaps rooted in the ideology of the social justice brigade itself that thinks of itself as 'fighting the power' and even creating chaos (e.g. transgenderism) yet is in fact the goon squad for the existing authoritarian order.
@bobmonk388
@bobmonk388 5 жыл бұрын
Snap, after revisiting them found them easier to digest.
@hlow1556
@hlow1556 5 жыл бұрын
it's just another inverted Biblical message. The occult do this all the time in media and movies, such as Star Wars. Neo was/is the representation of a normal person, a nihilist, seeking the meaning of life, as they flashed his philosophical interests with the book "Simulacra & Simulation" to show/establish his state of mind. They tell him to follow the white rabbit, can also be called the endless abyss(also known in black magic to initiate someone into their cult unknowingly). Morpheus says he's been searching for him his whole life(God you could say or Holy Spirit), and says but Neo you've been only searching for me for 2. Getting him to believe that the Agents(Satan) are trying to keep him from the 'truth'. The scene with the 2 pills( red vs blue symbolism )and mirror is the initiation ritual. The scene of him 'waking up' and sliding down the tube into the water represents baptism in water and rising out of the water he is received by the 'light'(baptized with the spirit of Anit-Christ). It's all INVERTED though, the 'Agents' are actually represented as (God/Christians) trying to keep humanity from 'waking up' or finding truth because these occultist hate God. Because thats what they believe, that Satan is the good guy and God is the bad guy. They claim you can receive enlightenment through secret knowledge, its called LUCIFERIANISM, or FALSE LIGHT. and they teach "Christ Consciousness", Gnostic bullshit. In conclusion, Neo was mind controlled into luciferianism and convinced that his reality wasnt real, and that HE was God and/or Christ within. I find it incredibly concerning that people are trying to extract truth from the same industries that try their best to keep you and your family sedated with filth and indoctrination, keeping everyone dependent on the system are the people that claim they are "awake" think they see the "true" meaning of this movie, but they fall folly to another mind control attempt by the occultic mfers that control media. understand that mind control works on multiple levels. Don't take anything from the imaginations of 'Men' as truth, please. God is who HE says HE IS. Same thing all these secret societies do, they have an outward doctrine(one taught to the masses), and an inward doctrine(only for the elect of them). Satan is the epitome of a liar. Btw, if you read this far, the red and blue pill decision is a deception, attempting to convince you that there is no other choice than the duality of that choice. There is a third choice though, find it in the true living word of God.
@Hbmd3E
@Hbmd3E 4 жыл бұрын
hi pal
@speccy4eyes853
@speccy4eyes853 4 жыл бұрын
Hlow good point
@MentalStillness
@MentalStillness 4 жыл бұрын
Amen brethren. The Matrix is one of my favorite movies of all time but it definitely pushes the Free your Mind, Save yourself philosophy. This Beast system operates the Matrix through tv, internet, School, Church and jobs. It's not life it's just being a drone and a follower. Babylon is the Matrix and that's why we're told to Get Out of Her.
@sunset3250
@sunset3250 4 жыл бұрын
"Find it in the true living word of God" You mean the bible? What's the 3rd choice?
@chenugent
@chenugent 4 жыл бұрын
Incredible analogy. Also not to mention the agents outfits. They just blatantly LOOK satanic with their all black patent leather suits.
@A_massive_wog
@A_massive_wog 6 жыл бұрын
Great video John. I'd love to see you make a supplementary part 2 where you examine the 2nd and third films, because while they diverge significantly from the first, they bring new Symbolisms to the table.
@metalslug38
@metalslug38 5 жыл бұрын
Wow this symbolism explanation was extremely good. I swear ever since I got into your work and Jordan Petersons its opened my eyes to symbology. More stuff like this please
@DARKOvibrations
@DARKOvibrations 6 жыл бұрын
MANNNNN am i looking forward to this! Im saving it for bed time!! A nice 22 mins of coolness then i drift off into the void!
@dennisreiss8748
@dennisreiss8748 5 жыл бұрын
Such good analysis! Thank you for explaining the various philosophical concepts.
@marklefebvre5758
@marklefebvre5758 Жыл бұрын
It took 3 viewings, but I think I have it now. Just re-watched the movie for the 450000000 time and see new things again, thank you so much for this work!
@axelrosenberg5955
@axelrosenberg5955 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic analysis. Just great. Love listening to your talks.
@Nanohachan
@Nanohachan 6 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on the gnostic symbolism in the series? Like the demiurgic architect, the false material world, morpheus being a lucifer figure, etc.
@XxMadermanxX
@XxMadermanxX 6 жыл бұрын
Yep thats like what Jonathan said about platonic themes, spirit over matter, heaven over earth, chaos over order /femenine over masculine (also just the inverse depending on how you look at it), depreciation of form, its an umbalance, present in extreme asceticism, seen traces of it in the teachings of Lao Tse or Krishnamurti, they consider all form or order to be literally a lie, an illusion, dead (which is true) but theres this Christ form (also called Philosopher's stone in alchemy) through which reality/truth/beauty/light/the present constantly flows through form. I know that both Lao Tse and Krishnamurti are enlightened beings, and im mostly sure that they dont have that confusion or unbalance in their systems, its just that how they say what they say can bring about confusion and its a tricky and very subtle truth to be understood.
@gymnast2890
@gymnast2890 5 жыл бұрын
@@XxMadermanxX Or they suck as writers! They appear to have a talent for coming up with a great concept....then unraveling it by injecting too much of their personal feelings into it, even when it contradicts the main concept. That's what you're dealing with.
@csabas.6342
@csabas.6342 5 жыл бұрын
Yes. But I would say that the occult is there in general. You can find also a lot of Thelema in it.
@LyubomirIko
@LyubomirIko 5 жыл бұрын
"The divine spark could be liberated by gnosis." (having knowledge) - To achieve salvation, one needs to get in touch with secret knowledge. (what Neo does) In Gnosticism - All matter is practically a trick of the evil Demigod and it is something - to be against. (the system, what reality is) The whole theme of controlling the matter is pretty common in Gnostic texts - Where bending matter, do unimaginable things etc. - is possible through gnosis. There is even many ideas in Gnosticism that resemble the situation in Zion. Both - choosing poor life of a hermit or/and sexual dissolute are totally acceptable in Gnosticism (because matter is evil - Gnosticism does not deal with "sin", only ignorance.)
@johnanon9907
@johnanon9907 5 жыл бұрын
Most insightful analysis of The Matrix I have seen. I thought I understood it, until now. Thanks for the wake up call.
@pledgestone
@pledgestone 5 жыл бұрын
Jonathan, this is a great video. Thank you, it was a pleasure to watch. Keep up the good work!
@ClintLock1
@ClintLock1 6 жыл бұрын
It's a conceited dream that salvation lies solely beyond the current order, in a chaos where only the self truly matters - a dream of those too arrogant to cooperate and build within the larger system. I believed in a form of this dream, that in the wild under the social order I'd find a power more real than God which could govern my life and humanity. I hung out under bridges, lived in a queer punk safe space (a place of such confusion, it was almost oedipal), and lamented the barriers to "resistance". But after months of terrified meditation I realized that mother nature offers us no purpose above instincts and feelings. Now I wonder how much The Matrix influenced the questions that drove me there... Great points in this video. I'm making my way through your older content, and experienced several epiphanies. Thank you for what you do.
@alexandercamlin8889
@alexandercamlin8889 6 жыл бұрын
Damn, that was so beautifully written. I do so love to catch a glimpse of how someone else unfolded these questions into their life in a way so totally different, and yet fundamentally similar, to my own journey.
@ClintLock1
@ClintLock1 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I watched a bit of your channel and subscribed. To hear that you are contending with an upward path, a well overflows inside me. I'll be tuned in.
@p52893
@p52893 5 жыл бұрын
Clint McCloughlan My goodness, you have a beautiful mind
@Andreastheduck
@Andreastheduck 6 жыл бұрын
Just recently started watching you. Keep up the impeccable work, bucko!
@ma_junia
@ma_junia 5 жыл бұрын
Every video of yours I've seen has left me feeling overwhelmed
@NevetsM
@NevetsM 6 жыл бұрын
I would love to hear your viewpoints on Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Oddessy
@blazonbyrd5996
@blazonbyrd5996 4 жыл бұрын
Before watching The Matrix, the puzzle pieces I had could fit on a big kitchen table. After I watched it, the pieces could cover the entire ground of Central Park. You just added a few more pieces. Well done.
@RunninUpThatHillh
@RunninUpThatHillh 6 жыл бұрын
I am so stoked to find this cool channel. Jordan Peterson via Twitter directed me here!
@del-marmare1646
@del-marmare1646 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, changed my understanding of the movie completely. Coherently explained.
@Jacob011
@Jacob011 6 жыл бұрын
You can run Jonathan, but ya can't hide from LOTR! Nice analysis BTW. Matrix is one of my all time favourites. My take home message from it was always the all-encompassing pervasiveness of illusion in our world.
@Wingedmagician
@Wingedmagician 6 жыл бұрын
I’m going to have to rewatch this one. About a dozen times.
@Augass
@Augass 3 жыл бұрын
Did you?
@MCSolaireBro
@MCSolaireBro 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! Some of the best analysis I have seen of this movie, and on this channel, although the symbolic dissection is always great here.
@KCCAT5
@KCCAT5 6 жыл бұрын
I need to rewatch This, this weekend
@alexkairis3927
@alexkairis3927 6 жыл бұрын
Great analysis! How about "The Tree of Life" next? I especially love the focus on the feminine and its connection with God.
@highonnymphetamine6179
@highonnymphetamine6179 5 жыл бұрын
This is the most interesting video I have ever watched and it was very helpful.
@veilofreality
@veilofreality 6 жыл бұрын
Another great video, Jonathan, thank you!
@Greg400
@Greg400 6 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video Mr. Pageau. The Matrix series was amongst my favorite movies when I was growing up. My brothers and I would often have discussions about the series narrative but we could never get it quite right, I think because the story can be convoluted at times with contradictions as you stated. Your video has clarified some of the confusion I had. If you're looking for ideas for another video on a different series I think myself and others would like to hear your thoughts on the Dark Knight series! Thanks so much!
@AjaxNixon
@AjaxNixon 6 жыл бұрын
The cultural significance of The Matrix can not be overstated. Great analysis! I remember being glued to my friends television at 2am watching The Matrix at 10 years old and I felt like I didnt blink once during the whole movie. It has shaped my worldviee and to this day I use matrix analogies to ubderstand the world. Your analysis has helped me to see hoe I fell into the traps I fell into as the ideas worked themselves out in me and a giant chunk of my peers.
@MrMilla103
@MrMilla103 6 жыл бұрын
The comment about conservatives revolutionary matrix analogies was very interesting. The world is inverted xD
@JonathanPageau
@JonathanPageau 6 жыл бұрын
Upside down world, ready to be flipped back on its feet.
@bellesarius
@bellesarius 6 жыл бұрын
We are definitely in the midst of the inversion... nice job on the video. Thank you.
@pilk91
@pilk91 4 жыл бұрын
just found your channel, thanks for such excellent content.
@scrids
@scrids 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks Jonathan!
@Yoyimbo01
@Yoyimbo01 6 жыл бұрын
Lovely video, truly fascinating!
@glasnikov
@glasnikov 6 жыл бұрын
I found this channel when you commented on someone who ripped a video from you. Unsubscribed that one, then subscribed this one. Great videos, great subject matter. Thanks!
@rickbeckett9102
@rickbeckett9102 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, Great video! Wish I could meet people like you in my life.
@truemark5899
@truemark5899 5 жыл бұрын
One reason I think there seems to be a dichotomy between getting out of the matrix presented in dream-like references though the matrix is more of a dream and getting out is real, is that reality can only be viewed from our observation point. Reality is our central being and what we experience. If we get out of the dream we must do so by accepting the way forward is a dream, because our starting point is or appears to be reality.
@Paradox-dy3ve
@Paradox-dy3ve 6 жыл бұрын
Well done! I found the inversion of concepts like "the rabbit hole" and "leaving Kansas" as gateways out of the dream world and into reality very interesting. Also, I wanted to throw out some suggestions for future symbolic interpretations. 2001: A Space Odyssey Akira Princess Mononoke The Dark Knight Psycho Vertigo Persona The Seventh Seal The Magician The Birds The Godfather Idk just some suggestions. I hope you'll especially consider 2001 or Akira. I think those films are ripe for symbolic analysis.
@charlesvillarreal4705
@charlesvillarreal4705 5 жыл бұрын
Wow that was a Incredible video, it was suggested to me after I reviewed my last video upload. I enjoyed it thank you very much for your presence of discernment. Namaste🙏😇
@thomaseverard6943
@thomaseverard6943 6 жыл бұрын
Really an unexpected choice of thread, amazing.
@GooseTech
@GooseTech 5 жыл бұрын
The minute you mentioned phenomenology I subbed! haha Bravo.
@ConstantGoddard
@ConstantGoddard 6 жыл бұрын
Wonderful! Thanks.
@TheObSeRvErTheObSeRv
@TheObSeRvErTheObSeRv 4 жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC VIDEO GOOD WORK J.P.;-)
@patrickturner7764
@patrickturner7764 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I would love to see you do Chronicles of Narnia. Thanks for all your content. Keep it up.
@africlubguy6035
@africlubguy6035 4 жыл бұрын
"Coherence and Completeness", Sense and Wholeness, Understanding and Maturity, Knowledge and Character, Technology and Organism, Structure and Life, .. and ...
@fel4631
@fel4631 6 жыл бұрын
Perfect! Thank you.
@samxsara
@samxsara Жыл бұрын
Wow this explanation is so deep and rich
@marksingh1285
@marksingh1285 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff. Simply Brilliant
@1969plato
@1969plato 3 жыл бұрын
Social justice and it's "movement" is not opposition to authority systems, rather it is another system of control perpetrated by evil beings. Great analysis, very timely.
@michaelwashburn5633
@michaelwashburn5633 4 жыл бұрын
Loved the video, truly.
@omarelmady
@omarelmady 6 жыл бұрын
Great analysis as always!
@Frauter
@Frauter Жыл бұрын
Brilliant as usual! I'd love to hear you talk to Vervaeke about this :)
@manufacturedreality8706
@manufacturedreality8706 4 жыл бұрын
"It is you mind that creates the world." - Buddha
@eggheadusa9900
@eggheadusa9900 3 жыл бұрын
What is mind, no matter. What is matter, nevermind.
@heresmytake2782
@heresmytake2782 3 жыл бұрын
Buddha is dead
@breatheeasily4013
@breatheeasily4013 3 жыл бұрын
@@heresmytake2782 Simple but effective counter-argument. Well done.
@Qwufi
@Qwufi 4 жыл бұрын
I would LOVE to see a video Jonathan made about Fight Club.
@untetheredx2578
@untetheredx2578 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks!
@mpaso111
@mpaso111 4 жыл бұрын
AWESOME VIDEOS BRO!!
@westerncivilization
@westerncivilization 5 жыл бұрын
Keep 'em coming!
@paulmagnuslund7096
@paulmagnuslund7096 6 жыл бұрын
Great work. I agree, it's just half the story. Please do the whole trilogi. There's so much more to say.
@michaelparsons3007
@michaelparsons3007 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Jonathan love your videos and insight. Found out about you through JBP. Although you pointed out symbolism which had evaded me in countless viewings, its my opinion is that looking at the Matrix as only one movie may lead to inaccuracies. It was in Revolutions that Neo sacrificed himself like Jesus. I’d be interested to hear your comparison of the two and how they differ in your opinion. 🙏 Keep up the fantastic work. My mind had been opened by JBP, you and Vanderklay and am overwhelmed at the meaning and symbolism I am finding in my own life. Thanks again.
@Tyler_W
@Tyler_W 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed. You can take self contained thematic ideas from the first Matrix movie in isolation, but there are some conclusions you can't make without consulting the sequels. That is why I don't think that the first film or any of its sequels demonize all order and hierarchy. Such things even exist in Zion as exemplified by the military hierarchical structure of the hacker ship crews like the Nebuchadnezzar in which Morpheus is the clear and undisputed leader, the council of Zion and the military that is literally described as tasked to defend Zion, it's people and its borders. The final battle in Zion at the latter half of Revolutions is literally a military defending its borders from an invading force. It does preach "dismantle the establishment, fight the system", but the very nature of the real world human society in Zion completely upends the idea that all order is bad and inherently evil. Anarchy is depicted as better than tyrannical order, but at the end of the series, it is clearly described how a new established order is in place, one that the film portrays as more fair and just. Another commenter brings up V fir Vendetta which uses a lot of the same ideas. Both depict a need for the destruction of the system, but it doesn't leave it that way. As soon as the old order is undermined, the end of both The Matrix Revolutions and V fir Vendetta speak to the need of a new established order that values freedom and fairness. I think both are created originally from a left wing perspective. I think it is still perfectly fair and legitimate for the right to latch onto these stories and ideas because of how well both made their respective ideas universally applicable. If these ideas weren't universally applicable, they would be nothing more than partisan propaganda, which at their core they're clearly not. They wouldn't have been able to capture the minds and imaginations of so many people if that were the case and they would have been quickly forgotten.
@wilmaurer9767
@wilmaurer9767 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for this idk why but the matrix sequels came up a lot in my thoughts lately. there's such obtuse movies, it's nice to watch videos like this more compelling than the films themselves. First one was gr8 doe a+++
@sealevelbear
@sealevelbear 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! 🤠
@ebonylandrum6071
@ebonylandrum6071 5 жыл бұрын
This was very enjoyable and informative. I have subscribed and will be checking out more of your videos.
@clever5118
@clever5118 4 жыл бұрын
Genius explanation of the movie.
@jeremybridges6015
@jeremybridges6015 2 жыл бұрын
Nebuchenezzer also saw the writing on the wall. Also noticed Neo shattering the giant window (frame of reference)of the side of the building from the helicopter.
@fransstal6535
@fransstal6535 6 жыл бұрын
HAHAHA I love that last little sly joke at the end.
@Augass
@Augass 3 жыл бұрын
Was it a joke tho?
@YouTubeComments
@YouTubeComments 3 жыл бұрын
OK, that ending gave me the chills. I feel like I just took a major red pill.
@maxinethirlwall8953
@maxinethirlwall8953 3 жыл бұрын
Thankyou
@iuliua
@iuliua 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing analysis and channel! One thing also must be noted, that this promise of a world where everything is possible is just a deception similar to the one the Devil used in Eden to fool Eve: the promise to be like gods. It's amazing how the Devil is using the same lie over and over again in different forms and people still fall for it, people who are not reading the Bible that is(and that's why every totalitarian system's first priority is to destroy the church). This promise is perfect for it's purpose because of it's universality, it appeals to everyone's personal imagination. Two people with absolutely nothing in common will unite in purpose each one imagining that his version of the world will become reality. This way everyone is united under one goal, to destroy the existing order and replace it with God knows what. There is no indication of the future order in the deception itself; feminism, freedom, weak men this are all tools to destroy the current order and not the reality of the next order.
@shawnfreemasonog
@shawnfreemasonog 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. this is really impressive stuff.
@crypto1509
@crypto1509 5 жыл бұрын
You're describing conflict which is the essence of all stories.
@shaulkramer2963
@shaulkramer2963 5 жыл бұрын
This is a really interesting take...
@MatthiasPendragon
@MatthiasPendragon 6 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Can't wait for the next one. By the way, have you seen A Quiet Place yet? If so, I would love to see a video on it. It's an intriguing film.
@JonathanPageau
@JonathanPageau 6 жыл бұрын
No, I have heard good things about it. But I haven't even seen Ready Player One, so that is the next movie on my list.
@juliusigonzalez3742
@juliusigonzalez3742 4 жыл бұрын
Noteworthy&Top-notch this video explains the exoteric and esoteric down to the bone!!!🤔 There is an adverse reaction to everything and a counter.
@Omni-Kriss
@Omni-Kriss 3 жыл бұрын
Great analysis :)
@informer3000
@informer3000 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, mate.
@HaydenPerno
@HaydenPerno 5 жыл бұрын
This was great. Subbed.
@willramirez75
@willramirez75 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis. Subbed.
@zakhariya1594
@zakhariya1594 5 жыл бұрын
BRAVO! Encore!
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