Sympathy for the Villain

[@Princess_Weekes]

Princess here! Gonna just respond to a few things and then go touch grass because you know your girl has that anxiety: I didn't expect my comment about the fat suit to be so divisive, but I wanted to just say two things 1) I feel like there was criticism about that from even when he was announced in the role. We spent a long time discussing why/how fat suits can be dehumanizing and unnecessary. There is no denying that Colin is an amazing actor and we love when the cast of Daredevil 2003 get to redeem themselves. I just think they had multiple ways to do it w/o a fat suit especially when his walk isn't even about his weight and is about his foot. The Penguin has not always been depicted at fat so it just doesn't *need* to be there and 2) he was still excellent and I say that in the video. two things can true and while the MVP of the series was Cristin Milioti, he absolutely put in the work. Per Agatha: this is one of the rare videos I didn't talk the more race/ethnic specific aspects of both shows. For fun transparency I just wanted to do a more fun video since it was going to be sandwiched between two heavier topics. I think there is plenty to criticize about Jen and Wendy having much less to do overall than even Lila by comparisons. I think Wendy is clearly the most egregious because at least Jen got to free herself and I found that to be a beautiful scene. Lilia is also another example of taking a character who was Romani in the comics and making them a different ethnicity. I also know that Wendy doesn't totally fit as the "Wise Woman" archetype, but I didn't want to use Lilia twice and I think a wise woman can also be a protector, which Wendy was. And also, yes I wrote Gina and I meant Gloria from the Sopranos. Thank you for watching

[@marQP2]

Hi! I really appreciate your work. Do you mean Alice (instead of Wendy) ? I got a bit confused there^^

[@Thed538dhsk]

What about the idea that Agatha mainly killed black witches?

[@annabelle746]

@@Thed538dhsk she...didn't?

[@Thed538dhsk]

@annabelle746 look at the montage, yes she did

[@annabelle746]

@@Thed538dhsk I watched the series. No, she didn't.

[@bookkwyrm]

I agree with you on why Oz kills Vic, and I'd like to add a third suggestion: Vic loves Oz, but only because he never saw any of his worst sides-he's the only main character who doesn't know about the brothers and about his snitching on Sofia-and Oz has seen now how loving someone who learns about his most evil acts lets them hurt him when their love turns to hate and contempt. In a way, if he kills Vic now, he kind of gets to freeze Vic in this state of loving him and seeing him as family. It's similar to how Carmine kept his wife's room preserved, a kind of memorial to a loving wife (who was gonna leave his shitty ass before he killed her).

[@SirGrimLockSmithVIII]

Fuuuuck that's an even scarier way of looking at the situation. Oz genuinely cherished his friendship with Vic but killed Vic precisely because of how much he cherished it. Even his genuine feelings of affection are warped and twisted and he genuinely cannot realize that or face the truth that the people he genuinely wants in his life and admires never really felt, feel, or will feel the same way about him. Rex Calabrese, his role model and reason for doing what he does, casually suggests to Francis that he can wack her son as a favor and never cared about Oz in the first place. Oz would break if he learned that. A part of his mind might understand that his own mother would genuinely hate him and stop giving him all the affection he wants if she ever learned the truth about his brothers' deaths. And it turns out to be true, but even when confronted with this possibility spiraling into a real scenario, he loves his idealistic relationship with his mom so much that he's willing to let her finger get chopped off to preserve the delusional fantasy. A part of his brain understands how bad his act of fratricide means to other people, but he doesn't, or even wants to in the first place, understand why. He just hates dealing with the fallout and will go to great lengths to hide the truth from others and even himself to preserve his desired image and to preserve the relationships he genuinely values. Victor would totally leave Oz again if he found out, and he's afraid of losing him for good this time. Victor as his most loyal henchman and friend is no different to Francis as his doting and supportive mother in that regard.

[@1Lanavis1]

That's a very good insight. Makes Oz a more interesting character but also more psychotic person imo.

[@nont18411]

“If he kills Vic now, he kind of gets to *freeze* Vic.” Vic will return as Victor Fries aka “Mister Freeze” confirmed

[@ashleybanks-wm4cg]

​​@@nont18411No not confirmed 😂😂😂y'all redditors get out of here mans last name isn't even Fries and some saying Robin 😂stop

[@ThePonderer]

Getting these two shows right on top of each other and having them BOTH be as good as they are was such a pleasant surprise.

[@Sasu123456789x1]

Yeah, it was so fun. We fans ate good 😊

[@outb4thecount]

I haven’t watched this video all the way through yet but I found it amusing that reactors were wondering who the villain was and made all kinds of excuses for Agatha’s behavior. It was indeed Agatha All Along.

[@analyticalbaguette]

Something I find interesting about the archetypes in Agatha All Along is that Billy fits into quite a few. Not only is he the image of a "modern witch" (IE someone who actively practices witchcraft as a culture, rather than being accused of it), he's also an almost 1:1 fit with the myth of a "changeling": a child that is secretly replaced by a magical being, resulting in strife and chaos to all those involved. Not to mention, it honestly feels kind of poignant that none of the main characters in AAA were "good guys who got roped into bad situations"- they all went on the Road for personal benefit, even if it wasn't the sort of selfishness that would necessarily harm others. None of them are really "heroes" or even "anti-heroes"; they just kind of exist

[@PineappleMD]

He also has a boyfriend who is a literal "changeling" in the comics, which we may have seen a text from in the show :^)

[@LarissaTheBrave]

Agatha all along was great but I especially loved Lillia's storyline and when the odd temporal displacements all lined up.

[@elizabethparham2553]

I loved being a witch 🥲

[@amarulha]

Yes! Her episode was brilliant! ❤

[@1Lanavis1]

Right on

[@KamilaShakur]

My favorite, for so many reasons.

[@dorothywasrighttho5129]

I didn't like the show as much I would have like to, but Lilia's episode was just the standout. The writers saw they had Patti LaPune and were not about to ruin it. It was everything!

[@Mandavee]

"Where's batman?" girl, he ate 1 blueberry in the course of The Batman and Penguin. Let her SLEEP

[@lakegroce685]

Let us not forget Goncharov. The greatest mafia film Scorsese ever made.

[@shangc2781]

Correction! Don't forget that the Director was Matteo JWHJ0715

[@ScottDavid7]

I really just want the magical characters of the MCU to live with Jac for a while. You're right, I am SO nervous that Agatha, Rio, Jen, and Billy are at the whims of other people now.

[@eastvandb]

For me, I just have to live in the shows I love and let the other ones run off me like a heavy rain. Thank the gods for Head Canon!!!

[@RamenzillaX]

It’s funny because as a comic book fan, I never cared for either of these characters much yet both shows ended up being great highlights in modern television and made me like both villains way more. What struck me about both projects: they were meticulously planned and it paid off. (Agatha in particular because of how most MCU projects appear to be made)

[@kingcrowsvo5994]

What they said about the casting of Oz on the official podcast they said they were actually going to go with Collin even without the cosmetics, but he was hesitant because he didn't feel he looked the part. Then the makeup department did a sculpt of the penguin for him and he agreed.

[@workemail8723]

Wow... what a shitty man.

[@TheVenomousBeetle]

Yeah the original inspiration was for Telltale’s version, where he is skinny and handsome and his nose gets broken to make the crook. They liked the idea of him being the penguin from damage, and went wild with all the scars and shit- they ended up at something more traditional along the line of “how much can we make him look like he’s been in some shit”

[@extrashotofespresso_]

I watched the TV show Gotham on Fox during its run and the man who played The Penguin did such a good job even though he was a scrawny dude. He had the limp and he had the essence, that’s all I needed. He is still 100 percent my favorite rendition of penguin because he played the part well. Didn’t over do anything with his accent or body. However, to me Collin over did everything to the point where I personally couldn’t even focus on his acting at times. I was laughing at parts I probably shouldn’t have. The show was still good but I couldn’t get past the tacky and unnecessary prosthetics.

[@bdp8102]

There's a moment in the series finale of Wandavision when Agatha is standing in front of a giant billboard for a cleaning product and I always thought it was a pretty interesting piece of visual storytelling because it gives us the juxtaposition between patriarchy and, as you said, its worst nightmare. There is indeed something silly and empty about the idyllic sitcom imagery that Wanda has conjured and Agatha is one of the possible antidotes to that emptiness. An evil one, sure, but still.

[@nickyjean0101]

My favorite scene from agatha all along was when alice and rio were talking. Rio: Are you ready? Alice: No. It was so simple, so heart breaking..so honest.. then to watch as they join hands and cross the threshold. 😢

[@JerzCe73]

00:17:37 Because his fine and fit features will be on the promo magazine covers, not some fat, balding, scarred guy...I was so happy they kept Agatha devilish to the end. She was a villain, and I didn't want some "anime bad guy turns good" as soon as it became convenient or a protagonist series.

[@RPGTherapist]

LOVE your top, Princess! And yes, people frequently forget that the reward is always in the journey; sure, a bad ending can undo earlier successes (think Game of Thrones), but there's so much more enjoyment to be had if we can sit back and let ourselves experience how that ending gets reached. Thanks for your usual amazingness 😀

[@H.P.93]

One of my favorite things about agatha all along is that, by the end, she isn't a better person. She's still a villain, she's just a villain that lives Billy like a son and wants to protect him. And Jennifer, Lilia and Alice are all good witches and just become better people as the show goes on. ETA: Jac should just be put in charge of everything related to the maximoffs and anything that comes out of agatha all along

[@billyb7852]

The way you said “The Sopranos: College” made it sound like it was some tween prequel 🤣

[@eastvandb]

Also, a musical.

[@eddykaggia4298]

I loved both of them, and there is a sense that the writers are aware of current Superhero tropes and audience expectations. They led us down the path and for a second (mine was Agatha AA ep 4), you almost believe that this malevolent being is redeemable, and then at the end they go - ABSOLUTELY NOT! And I was satisfied. Distraught (coz Vic), but satisfied that the character wasn't crafted to fulfil my desires, but to go on their own journey that has its logical conclusion. Amazing video essay, can't wait for your next one!

[@Quixotic1018]

ugh I wish there was more overlap between my friends who saw Agatha and those who saw Penguin already because I love sharing your videos to them. Also when you said Gina at 10:35 did you mean Gloria?

[@MariaVosa]

Great analysis as always! I really appreciated the deep dive comparison between the Sopranos and Penguin, what separated them as well as what connected them. It truly is fascinating we got two of the best Villain led series ever running parallel with each other and also being so fundamentally different in style. Are there actually people questioning what "the point" of AAA was since The Road was not "real"?! People like that shouldn't be allowed to watch anything more complex than morning talk shows.

[@iantophernicus6042]

I'm afraid I haven't seen Penguin yet, but I promise to return once I have. So happy that Agatha stuck the landing so hard.

[@workemail8723]

Relatable comment is indeed relatable.

[@AtelaLafford]

two shows that in our current landscape went quickly under the radar upon announcement but quickly gained traction as they butt up against the norm their predecessors clung so hard to more and more with each new episode, reaaaaaaally good television. and a really great video!

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Agatha All Along blew my socks off, I had no expectations so was so happily surprised. It got better every episode

[@michace]

I just finished watching The Penguin season 1, so glad you’re talking about it because I’m OBSESSED

[@DorkPhoenix66]

Small point about Agatha just being a sweet old nanny, she perpetuated the Salem witch trials for the purpose of making witches stronger overall. She had to be stopped by a time traveling Firestar who finally managed to convince her this idea was wack. So her potential for darker character traits is definitely there.

[@mdrivera8481]

I loved how Agatha was still her at the end of the show. She grew but she wasn't good, she was just herself

[@QuirkyBard]

Mrs. Davis died for a purpose. She was the Red Shirt. She died to show the other characters the stakes and consequences of failure were real.

[@EricChoiniere]

Also that Agatha brought her into it with little regret, knowing she would have to kill other alongside the witches to get her power back (before they find the "real" Road)

[@AmelieButler-mk2rd]

The comment on the backlash AAA got as a women led, woman created show vs The Penguin not getting it because the faces of the show were white men is interesting because Batman: Caped Crusader had a much more comics accurate Penguin than the HBO Max show did, but because the Penguin was genderflipped into Oswalda Cobblepot it got so much flack from incels online despite making much less changes to the history and story of the character than the show about Oz Cobb did. People really do just be hating women no matter what.

[@lestatsluv317]

I have to say, as someone who has been a practioner of Wicca and Witchcraft for almost thirty years, the shock I felt when I realized the Witch's Road was a real chant that could be used at the start of a ritual was intense in the best way. When I became Pagan in the 90's, CPS were taking kids from their parents in small towns in America because one or both parents were Pagan. I was a minor in small town Ohio so I had to lie when I was asked and tell people I was atheist because having no god is better to Christians of a certain mindset than practicing Goddess worship and acknowledging all Gods. So to see a show like Agatha All Along and hear that song was a trip. I love it. I only hope the next four years doesn't force us all back inside the broom closet. I also hope that the rich white women who have officially found ways to even appropriate religions from Europe with their odd rip offs of very real Pagan beliefs (crystals without the ritual, talking about Divine Feminine as a woman submitting to her husband...🤢 I know Goddesses that have killed for less than that statement.... lmao... just a toothless cosplay of actual real Pagan beliefs that has people who don't know any better assuming these often right wing women are ours....nah) either get into the study of Goddess worship for real (it might heal a lot of trauma considering the right wingers doing this tend to connect with the trad wife nonsense...talk about cognitive dissonance) or put the crystals down, leave astrology out of it, stop talking about the behavioral effects of the planets on our species, keep the Goddesses' name out their motherfucking mouths (😂) and go back to being Mormons or Baptists or whatever because their brand of stay at home mom wouldn't even be ok by Hera's standards. It's also not traditional. And Goddess worship has no place inside of that framework. When they decide to deconstruct, then they can watch Agatha all Along, listen to the Witch's Road and have some of their crystals back. We might even show them how the crystals work. 😂😂😂 Anyway, I loved seeing a show so unabashedly Pagan for real in the mainstream like that. I do fear that we are about to go back about thirty years on that progress of Paganism mainstreaming so I hope everyone who cares savored the moment. Much love to you!

[@kingtravis76]

Still can't believe that Collin Farrell

[@Angel-Otk]

That he what?

[@GothamsMostTrusted]

​@Angel-Otk He meant to say he can not believe Colin Farrell is underneath all that makeup he wears when playing Penguin

[@Angel-Otk]

@@GothamsMostTrusted bruhhh💀

[@schm00b0]

@kingtravis76 What you're saying is PROPS TO THE MAKEUP CREW. Very probably overworked and underpaid.

[@eastvandb]

@@Angel-Otk I just can't believe that Colin Farrell!

[@thatmessy132]

I never saw reason to hate Agatha until I saw how nonchalant she was about having destroyed a black woman's (Jennifer Kale) life. It just reeked of white entitlement to black bodies, Get Out coded. Still love the show.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Bruh. Agatha killed a dog. She didn't care at all about Sharon's death. She killed Alice in purpose when Alice was saving her. And she is a serial witch killer, mainly of black witches. Agatha is a villain.

[@thatmessy132]

@Thed538dhsk Agatha has been intentional with her villainy. She killed that dog with her whole chest, she murdered Alice and those other witches with pride. But her binding Jennifer and "not knowing" for financial gain... I think it's the timing of my watch through coinciding with white women voting against their own interests to hurt people they deem lesser that makes her callousness not sit well with me.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@thatmessy132 Why did it not sit well with you? I'd think it'd be rewarding in some way, to see the light shine on the truth rather than be gas lit into a lie. Agatha, like so many other people, gladly and gleefully suck and drain the power of black women to give themselves power. Or at least their perceived power. And ruining Jen's life for 100+ years was no biggie to Agatha just like in real life some people are like this. After all, Agatha is a covenless witch

[@KamilaShakur]

Sooo little discussion about this. A white woman taking a Black woman’s power in the 1920s has racial implications even if Agatha was unaware. To me, that made the story even more interesting & realistic.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@KamilaShakur in the montage you see Agatha kill mainly black women. Not exclusively but certainly a lot of black witches are the ones she invites to the road and then takes their power

[@finkleburg-koh]

We. Are. So. Back!!!

[@alexandersavage305]

Hi! I’m new to the channel, I found you from your video about confederate vampires and I love your style and subscribed :) I had a take about the fat suit debate, and I wanted to say beforehand, your pinned comment made it make so much more sense to me. I still don’t really agree, but your point about that was much clearer in the comment than the video, so thanks for the clarification. Now then: I don’t have a problem with the fat suit. I completely understand the discourse around how it can be disrespectful. But as someone who’s been fat all his life, I’m not bothered by it whatsoever. In fact, because I love practical effects so much, I think it actually added a lot to the series for me. I think they just had a look for the character they liked, went with it, and found an actor who nailed the aura they needed. I don’t this it’s any more complicated than that, and I don’t think it needs to be. Not that I’m discouraging discourse about things people are passionate about, just that, in a context like this where there’s clearly no negative intent, it seems… odd (I guess?) to take such a strong stance on it. Anyyyways, love your content, I’m sticking around, can’t wait to see what you have to say about Anakin next

[@carlinepienaar5100]

Thanks

[@bretts1646]

The way my jaw dropped realizing you cited one of my film professors from college, Ron Wilson, what a neat coincidence.

[@andycampbell8622]

Society seems to be only empathetic towards our villains. It’s concerning that decency gets hate campaigns but embracing evil doesn’t 😅

[@LostCommenter7]

I think you have fantastic point about how series/movies in IP universe can be a little harder to love considering they fall into new hands that threaten to undo what made them great. Fantastic video, also right there with you the Maximoff sibling retcon, they will put in the ground mad about it

[@TylaStark]

Every time I finish one of your videos I make a mental note to go back and look up the songs you put over the credits. This time I remembered! Woo!

[@seeleunit2000]

This was a very fascinating. Also, I was in favor of giving Homeless people cash upfront for years. I like that there's an organization actually doing that. This is a good thing

[@dieorwrite9460]

I'm not sure if Lucifer from the Lucifer show is a good example of a villain protagonist…? From episode one we see he clearly is set up to be a character that isn't the traditional evil devil archetype, with his first on-screen "deal" being him telling a girl that the favor he wants from her is for her to get her life together bc she deserves better. The whole show is a deconstruction of Lucifer's (the protagonist of that show's) struggle with insecurity of how everyone sees him for being evil (and his reputation being so) despite the show presents him as someone who acts if not always fully moral but is still very much on the heroic side. He is even framed for murders by humans & his self-hatred over how God made him an evil incarnate is something he internalized despite throughout the show we see he clearly has a sense of protecting the innocent & punishing the guilty & being completely honest and just pretty much a misunderstood hero rather than anything close to a villain protagonist…?

[@arih_rih]

can’t wait to watch this after i catch up on these two shows. i already love that they’re being connected! thank you Princess Weekes

[@llh1000]

I'm falling behind at this rate! Ty for the content; hope you're finding time to rest

[@kallistiX1]

The fatsuit was interesting because he had to spend three hours getting into his costume every day. So, logistically, it would have made more sense to hire a fat actor. But, on the other hand, credit where credit is due, he was able to act through that suit so well I repeatedly forgot he was in there. It was like the movie all over again.

[@Ag8844]

Okay like it’s so hard for me to articulate this criticism without sounding pretentious but my main problem with the Agatha show was a failure (or just not a very good job) to create atmosphere and mystery. Jac Schaeffer is amazing at reveals, on rewatch it’s all even better. But like, she’s better at giving answers than making us question so many thing. I think it still worked, actually, because the Marvel canon… fans were projecting questions and theories that it didn’t necessarily articulate very well.

[@TheX2k]

As a fat man myself, I'm going to respectfully disagree on that the Penguin needed a fat actor in the role.

[@TheVenomousBeetle]

Especially considering Colin Farrell was cast at a time when they were basing him off of Telltale Batman. Besides, actors gain and lose weight all the time for roles, why put someone through that to play a part. Fat isn’t a race or identity. It’s just a state of being. Everyone one way or another is capable of switching between the two in their lives, regardless of the varying difficulty person to person and ignoring the economic influences that affect that as well.

[@Princess_Weekes]

I think that we’ve seen non fat Penguins before I would have been fine without the need of the suit. Overall I do still love Colin’s performance but it is something I thought about

[@bookkwyrm]

@@Princess_Weekes Not fat so take this with some salt, but there is a part of me that tentatively hopes that this performance opens up space for fat actors to get more roles, maybe? Definitely not an ideal situation and I agree we should be talking more about it, but since we are in a world where there is a lack of both fat actors with high visibility+experience, and roles for fat people that are not jokes or downright cruel, maybe something good can come out of this problematic situation. Maybe I'm just coping idk. I don't feel as viscerally bothered by this as I do with other examples of fatsuit usage and I'm not quite sure why.

[@cariander]

​@bookkwyrm I feel like people always say the same and then when a new role comes out a non fat actor is cast. If there were new doors being opened Melissa Mccarthy and Rebel Wilson would not be the only two (2) fat actresses in Hollywood lol

[@bookkwyrm]

@@cariander ...yeah you're probably right :/ Shit's dire out there for fat people

[@elizabethwilcox278]

I've been avoiding Agatha because of boycotting Marvel (the whole Sabra situation was my last straw) & it's extra deeply frustrating because sapphic witch content is 100% something I love to delve into. Probably shouldn't have watched this one because now I'm extra mad I'm not watching AAA 😅

[@cariander]

You can always sail the seven seas my friend

[@mollybrown9857]

The journey being the point over twists or a grand finale hit me right in the One Piece feels. That series has always been about the journey and growth of the characters on the crew and outside of the crew.

[@azureashes-i8v]

The artwork of Edelgard smiling as Garreg Mach burns behind you was very fitting for this video.

[@RSOULIER75]

I really like agatha to display a complete vilain I mean she use her son to kill innocent ppl this is so bad. But also we can see a redemption but it is not a easy one. Not in the straight line sometimes she go to her old way by habits . I think it is much more interesting.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Raise your hand when you think about Regina Mills. Also, I'm still holding onto the headcanon that Wanda is related to Magneto- but she's his granddaughter.

[@irenecentelles3676]

I would like to add to the acusations argument that they would be called witches anyway because of this reasons too: Lilia a lunatic woman (their visions could fit as dementia) witch. Alice a woman that only takes care of herself and nobody else → witch. Jen a black business woman → witch. Agatha plain evil (+ being crazy at the beggining) → witch. Our beloved teen witch it's queer also a witch. Rio a beautiful woman that anyone would go crazy or the incarnation of a fem fatale → witch. Finally, the exception Ms. Heart which is the archetype of what a patriarchal society expects from a woman. Spoilers (the first one to die)

[@Grizabeebles]

Great video Princess! I appreciate your analysis of The Penguin. I have a question: why no direct mention of the the fact Oz can't ever be a "made man" and fully initiated into the mafia because he's not Italian? No matter how high he climbs or how much he styles himself as an aristocrat, the highest levels among the oldest families will always be blocked to him.

[@kayame18]

There is a application of hero's journey and Tarot that end with the card Death and a new cycle the spiritual starts for the remaining major arcanas.

[@ArielEveMachado]

I’ll admit I was disappointed when it turned out Billy made the road real and that it was originally a con Agatha created but I really loved your take about enjoying the journey

[@YozoraHeart]

Perfect timing, I just binged these series back to back about a week ago. I blame Batman for Victor's death. Oz BLEW UP A CITY BLOCK and Bruce was just not feelin it that week. This is why he needs Robin.

[@GothamsMostTrusted]

Tbf, as demoralizing as it may sound, I think Batman had bigger fish to fry, considering the show takes place immediately after the Riddler flooded most of the city. He's only one guy. But yeah, having a Robin would definitely make his services more accessible to those under the table.

[@MariaVosa]

But Oz didn't blow up the city block - Sofia did! In order to get at Oz yes, but it was HER choice! It is fascinating that so many seem to forget that fact. And Oz then made sure she was arrested for it pretty quick, so why should Batman get involved? She wasn't even framed this time around, just ratted out. The one that arguably was "framed" was Salvatore, allowing Oz to erase himself from the disaster.

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

Too fantastical for Reeves's world 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@four_girls_in_search_of_awesom]

Is it controversial to prefer MCU Agatha over comics Agatha? Also I recently watched Multiverse of Madness for the first time and kinda liked the dark path Wanda went down. It’ll suck if she stays dead though because she deserves a good redemption/healing arc where she finds Billy and Tommy and maybe even Vision comes back. All she wants is her family so it would be cruel to leave it off there.

[@eastvandb]

Agatha is one of those rare instances where the MCU version is deeper and funnier, and creepier and more interesting all around. It looks like the comix are taking a cue from this approach because newly revived, young-looking Agatha in the comics seems to have a pretty villainous agenda.

[@DjBaapreB]

The Penguin gave me a new experience. You start out liking Oz and end up disliking him. That’s quite an achievement!

[@raven3067]

Not every villain deserves some kind of moral grey area where you sympathize for them. Sometime's a villain can be downright evil and beyond redemption.

[@sarahhirsch8919]

I'm pretty sure Wanda gets out fast after bringing the rocks down. There's a zip of red magic that zooms out of there right at the last minute. I'm not really into the MCU at this point. I was committed through Endgame, but after that I was superheroed out. But I did watch Multiverse of Madness and I think the movie provides evidence that she lives. Plus if you don't see a body, you can't count them out. 😆

[@esskay2195]

Where was Batman? HE WAS AT HOME! WASHING HIS TIGHTS!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@mutantx2372]

I love both shows. Btw how would you feel about Zoè Kravitz's Catwoman getting her own series on MAX ?

[@eastvandb]

If she does, I hope they do something interesting to follow up on her letter to Sofia.

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

I don't like it. She wasn't that interesting to me in the Batman 2022 film. To be fair, outside of Pfeiffer, Catwoman hasn't been interesting to me. In the short amount of scenes he had in the 2022 film Penguin stood out and it showed again in his show.

[@annacandidaxavier6147]

amo seus vídeos!!

[@madjangler]

In a minor defense of MoM, I have gotten the feeling that Olsen was ready for an MCU break, and they were bound to say goodbye in some way in the film. While it may not have serviced the character, it seems to me they really let her off the chain as an actor and let her have fun with it.

[@isacami25]

the only reason i wanna watch agatha all along is because of aubrey plaza

[@workemail8723]

You'll wish she had more screen time.

[@mymommystreamer]

Subscribed. Thank you. Needed this channel

[@nviz47]

😊 this was interesting, thank you. Also Agatha All Along ahhhh 💜💜 and witches 💜🌻

[@heatherhaven1268]

“Quick! Everyone into the Iron Maiden!” is a sentence I never thought I’d hear

[@DilutedH2SO4]

This is the second time Aubrey Plaza has played a sapphic in a marvel show that got another woman pregnant

[@TheNoviceOAO]

does anyone the Moon Knight series had more thought put into the horror supernatural parts of it, as well as more mental health commentary like the 5th episode of that series, post Agatha? also; this channel is so educational. this and lexual media's vid on history of black witchcraft is 👍

[@TheNoviceOAO]

what i meant was, i wish the moon knight show structurally felt like a tv show that cared consistently about the mental health storytelling like ep5's story(ofc this is up to the DID system comm to decide, i heard many systems loved MK - thats great) AND i wish this show put more thought into supernatural horror in MK like Agatha & werewolf by night imo.

[@jjj7790]

I was impressed by Moon Knight, because it had a lot of conflicting elements in the source material that were difficult to put together coherently (some of which also has kind of messy optics): heavily stigmatized mental illness, Egyptian culture(al appropriation), supernatural horror, Moon Knight being Jewish serving an Egyptian God, and Moon Knight being one of the more violent Marvel heroes while having the previously mentioned stigmatized mental illness. They touched on all of these things, some more to the detriment of others. I don't envy the director having to put all of the previously mentioned things into a coherent Disney+ show plot while being respectful to both real life people and the source material. When it comes to presenting DID (or mental health commentary) they could have gone farther, but they did decide very strongly on doing a few things: 1) Reinvent Moon Knight's background for his DID to be more in line with how DID manifests in real life. (No "gaining moon powers caused it" or secret Nazis) 2) Insist on divorcing the expression of Moon Knight's DID from his violence (to the point of reinventing Steven Grant to be a complete pacifist). 3) Present DID itself as not purely negatively impacting Moon Knight's life or needing to be "cured." IDK if it is a net good, but it's still way better than how almost all other superhero film/shows treat people with DID like monsters.

[@laexploradoraaaXD]

Your points at the beginning about mob movies and Italian American identity has me thinking about cartel/narcotics movies/TV shows and Mexican American/Chicano identity. And also the larger Latin American community. Thanks ❤

[@boromirstark9]

Just a heads up but I'm not getting your push notifications when you upload :( Love your content and enthusiasm!

[@jomarch1085]

Great video! But what lipstick are you wearing!?!?! It’s stunning.

[@meander112]

Off to watch this Nebula!

[@gozergozerian287]

17:43 I do think Colin Farrell’s natural accent would have been a great choice for Oz as much as I love the weird Jersey accent

[@RavikumarN1991]

Thank you for saying this. Both were excellent. However, The Penguin fans I have interacted with has them dismissing Agatha

[@eastvandb]

Yeah, some Peguin fans sadly feel a need to claim the show that suits their personal taste as somehow superior. It's tedious. I loved both shows, but I get how someone could love one and not connect to another. They're working in very different worlds. It's like complaining about 'Macbeth' for not being 'The Wire'.

[@kristianminkov9631]

I watched only The Penguin but I did enjoy it quite a bit. Your video is also great and I am wondering about watching Agata as well.

[@Slm99]

Don't worry I am also not letting go of how they misunderstood the character of Wanda, as good as Agatha all along is the whitewashing will always anger me

[@Momona321]

Woah never been here this early before

[@JerzCe73]

Wanda had a psychotic break, and please believe someone who lives with one; nothing, and I mean nothing, is more selfish than mental illness. It doesn't care who, what, why, or how. It will take its pound of flesh from anyone in its vicinity. That is why it is so important to get help, because you do not live in a bubble, it got enough pain to share. A town's worth!

[@TheVenomousBeetle]

I get the sense you may mean something else but “nothing is more selfish than mental illness” sounds wild to say. I think you meant nothing makes you more selfish, but as written it sounds like blaming the mentally ill for their having a mental illness that makes them that way

[@JerzCe73]

@@TheVenomousBeetle No, I meant the illness itself is selfish...It demands attention from the ill, keeping the sick person from attending to true relationships or building meaningful ones. It lies to the sick person and convinces them that it is just them and the illness. It's insidious and causes you to leave reality. A psychotic break, you are no longer in control, and the illness is...

[@ellie.irineu]

Yeah, I refused to watch The Penguin because even though it's been well received, I cannot wrap my head around the fact we're giving a fit dude in a fatsuit a leading role in 2024. And no one else seems to be even bringing that up? It's crazy. It feels like critics tend to equate "actor not being recognizable" with "an amazing performance", and it's part of why they love to give cis actors awards for playing trans characters and so on. But like... no. Just... no. Just find people who match the roles without needing suits and a ton of makeup. There are enough actors. There are equally talented actors, if not even more talented actors, that are not getting a chance to star in these productions because of these stupid trends.

[@eastvandb]

I generally feel exactly the same way you do. I don't want to see Gary Oldman's make-up Churchill show. To me, this one transcended that stuff because there's so much brilliant writing, acting, and insight in the show. Farrel' does beautiful work under the prosthetics, but some of the other actors are what really thrilled me about the show. Especially Sofia and Vic.

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

It's because he was so good in the role that, for the most part, nobody cares. He disappears into the role.

[@im19ice3]

loved the outro song

[@madsb.8097]

In fairness to Colin Farrell’s casting, he auditioned for The Batman with the intention to play Oz as a thin man. It was the makeup department who suggested to try out more comic-esque stage makeup, which the director then fell in love with. So the answer to why a larger actor wasn’t cast was because it wasn’t originally intended for the role, but a cosmetic choice pushed afterwards by the art team

[@osmanyousif7849]

Also, I feel like he was only casted due to Devito possibly recommending him, since they coincidentally were together in Tim Burton's Dumbo. And usually when adapting or rebooting a comic book movie, most would look to the former for advice.....

[@britt6693]

I have honestly been obsessed with how perfect your eye makeup is during this episode and it’s almost distracting. Great video though!

[@rmeddy]

A lot of people were fancasting Brendan Gleeson for ages to play Penguin and he and Farrell has heavy overlap.

[@wokeaf1242]

Okay, hold on. I agree that there was "doubts" about Agatha All Along (and I will debate you on Multiverse of Madness "ruining" Wanda. That blame totally falls on Brian Michael Bendis, without whom there would have been no Multiverse of Madness.) But Agatha All Along became doubt proof, chud proof, right-wing orange man supporter proof. While The Penguin got a lot of praise and some internet buzz, Agatha All Along became a monster. I'm still coming across KZbin shorts and TikTok lip syncing Down the Witches Road. And I find it weird how people complain about these things being part of big franchises. Did we miss the the MCU came from Marvel comics? Are they supposed to become A24 now that they make movies. I mean these are super hero properties. There's no escaping that. Why do so many keep fighting it? It's like wanting Anime to be more like stop motion or Saturday Morning cartoons. (Look it up, kids.) I hate the idiotic complaint about the end of Wandavision. "It had a CGI super hero fight." What exactly did people expect from properties based on super hero comics? A dance number? Maybe Wanda and Agatha could have sat down for a nice cup of Earl Grey and discussed their differences? These character come from properties based on adolescent power fantasies. So why is everyone so shocked that the super hero character have super hero fights. IMO that's just a dumb expectation. I don't want Little Women hoping for a samurai sword fight at the end. And I shouldn't. But people got nuts because the super people with super power have super powers fight.

[@dragunov815]

Interesting perspective.

[@blueegg4198]

Good video! Don't have much else to say lol just commenting for the algorithm.

[@Harpuneeeeeet]

11:04 this blew my mind

[@Yesnomu]

I enjoyed Agatha a lot and I really appreciated this breakdown! Gotta support women's wrongs.

[@RohanKumar-ci9sl]

Personally, I'm not upset that the Penguin exists in the Batman continuity simply because (1) they almost never use his name at all to the point of the show standing on its own independent of the movie and (2) I need Batman to beat the shit out of Oz for everything he's done, and he's likely the only one who can🙏🏽.

[@djackio]

I really hope that when they bring Wanda back the rewrite Wanda’s arc from ITMOM, like emphasize it was a Dr Strange movie from his perspective. Though never touch how amazing she was taking down Kamar-Tag

[@ireoluwatuntomiwachimerebe3706]

In the comics Agatha was Franklin Richards Babysitter

[@1980rlquinn]

Off topic but Gotham Penguin is best Penguin because Robin Lord Taylor thank you end of discussion. 💖

[@moustik31]

To me, Agatha as a "antihero/villain" didnt work. I think, I would have enjoyed the show more, if Teen had been more of an antagonist to her and if her killing Alice would have been taking more seriously by Lillia and Jennifer. Imo, after Alice's death, Lillia and Jennifer should have been more focused on either killing Agatha for their own survival and/or trying to beat her to the end of the road.

[@user-yw8lj6io6l]

Why is your makeup always so good?!

[@gabrielafrancois7175]

I agree! i'm so glad that Batman wasn't in the Penguin show. It would have distracted us from the character arcs of Oz, Sofia and Vic.

[@shannonchristie-wickham8453]

Great video

[@ivyej]

What’s the song at the end?? Can’t find it in the description

[@ThemermaidPearl]

I understand how you might be using the Western view point to say that women with magic are seen mostly as evil. But multiple cultures outside of the west have seen women with powers as leaders and good

[@funde19]

Aubrey Plaza just out to ruin all of our gay lives.