Synology DS423+ vs QNAP TS 464 NAS - AS FAST AS POSSIBLE!!!!

[@frozWnX]

I absolutely

[@kardy12]

Yeah, the DS423+ really is just a DS920+ without the expansion ability and with 2GB less max RAM. To be honest, I don’t really get why they didn’t just keep the 920+ in the lineup for those that need hardware transcoding.

[@jcb208]

I can only dream of DSM 7 on the TS464,I would buy it tomorrow

[@ClintDevlin]

I'm looking to get the Qnpa TS-664 next week. It'll be primarily used as a plex server and for local backups so the Synology software is basically useless to me where as more powerful hardware for transcoding is much more attractive to me,

[@OzElectricEcho]

I just took possession of a TS464. My only experience with NAS’ have been Synology. I was very wary of the QNAP software in comparison to Synology, but I must say, it’s not too bad. DSM is definitely better, but I wasn’t disappointed with QTS, it does what I need it to do.

[@km3481]

I found the same, QTS can do more in many regards but it does take more steps to get it going for sure. Truth be told, I never go into the QNAP OS anymore so the interface is a nonissue. I just runs along on the network like is suppose to and the speed and options the thing has is just really sweet!

[@QNAPUK]

Great to know, thanks! 😊

[@rerolledDK]

I got the DS423+, and it is perfect for my needs right now. Now I can access my files from anywhere, and Jellyfin with hardware transcoding is fantastic. That having been said, I do feel a pang of regret when I see how much more future proof the TS-464 is. When the time comes that I upgrade to faster network equipment, I'm gonna be stuck with no official upgrade path for the DS423+ . I see a future of trying to pull off unofficial ethernet upgrades through usb or those m.2 slots.

[@salvamando1]

Woahhhh! Extra caffeine today?! LOL Love the energy and great information as always!

[@bickybickford]

Great video I'm looking for a new NAS, but now I'm split 60/40 or 40/60. I guess I'll have to wait some more.

[@ClintDevlin]

Depends what you'll be using it for. I'm getting a NAS mainly as a plex server so the hardware advantages of the QNAP have me going their way.

[@km3481]

Once you get over the initial setup, the advantages of the QNAP completely overshadow Synology for me. It runs along quickly on the network and I rarely even log into it anymore, decodes when I ask it to (quite well), delivers files via Qtier very fast that I use all the time, moved everything to 2.5 gbe because it's so cheap, so many great reasons to use QNAP for me. Good luck!

[@QNAPUK]

@@km3481 Thank you!

[@GajodeAlfama]

Hi, great video, always check for new videos. Loved the content, but you don't need to speed up... Can you do a video like it but with the best 2, 4 and 8 bays between Synology, Qnap, TERRAMASTER e Asustor or other's. Keep the good work, Best regards.

[@we6871]

New to NSA here. I'll keep it simple...and I think my needs are simple too. I'm a 65 year old guy just getting into having a NAS for two main reasons...1) Use it as a Plex server and 2) use it for file storage, photo archive. I don't download and store shows or movies, and doubt that I will, nor is there any gaming of any kind. I'm not as technnically savvy as many out here, so thats a checkmark in favor of Synology. BUT, I hate the idea of paying MORE for LESS technology and upgrade capability, since this will probably be a "once in a lifetime purchase" (no future NAS's), so thats a checkmark for the QNAP. Given all I've said, what does the group feel might be a better option?

[@akmediaproductions]

Just dreaming for a portable 4 bay universal SSD/nvme NAS !! With thunderbolt or 10gig Ethernet !!

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Hard drives generate a lot of heat and so considerable attention must be paid to cooling. I have burned up a number of hard disks in poorly ventilated enclosures. SSDs don't really have that problem. They are indeed temperature sensitive but their normal operating temperature is generally lower than an HDD. Cooling is easier for SSDs. But with RAID, the biggest hurdle is always speed. Most applications for NAS are low demand and so speed of access, read and write isn't a big issue. It's not until you get into the SAN (Storage Area Network) arena that speed becomes an issue. SAN storage is supposed to mimic a local disk and so there are much higher expectations. So, when he yawns at the slow data ports on these devices, I feel like, "It's a NAS. What do you expect?"

[@hytecindia001]

Hi I appreciate your videos which are very informative I have bought QNAP 464 I am not finding good experience. I never used any NAS system before so I can’t compare. I would like to have an advice that which brand is best for iCloud back up including best pics backup option from apple devices Thanks

[@topgazza]

Excellent video. However, ref opening comment Synology have moved away from being relevant for home, particularly media, users. The DS 423+ scrapes in being a DS920+ but otherwise low spec compared to others.

[@neilsumner1929]

Very disappointed with the processor and networking on the Synology. I wanted integrated graphics so 923 not an option. If QNAP supported fluid raid like SHR then I would purchase a QNAP today but the thought of having to throw out all my drives when I fill them up to get more space is just not acceptable. PS Great video as always but another vote for not trying to make the video a race.

[@pbrigham]

Don't worry, 10 years from now you will continue to make videos saying that Synology only supports 1GB connections.....

[@nascompares]

Don't say that...please... Don't say that Pedro...

[@bricehawley6693]

Qnap wins it for me. It's easier to upgade software than hardware. Yes, the software comes in second here, but from the comments it is still quite serviceable.

[@jGRite]

What is the best way to use 2.5 and 10g with a network expansion without spending thousands of dollars.

[@SaiyanJin85]

There you go

[@surfudder]

What I am lately really missing in qnap VS synology discussion is the lack of support for btrfs, and I would be interested in hearing how qnap mitigates the lack of btrfs features (like bitroth prevention) on ext4

[@QNAPUK]

No plans unfortunately, but a number of our SMB desktop NAS do support QuTS Hero (ZFS) which protects against bitrot, as well as dedupe etc.

[@surfudder]

@@QNAPUK but for a normal consumer zfs is not the right fs. The systems are more expensive, you cannot easily expand the Pool with an extra drive and it needs more ram. So the lack of a better filesystem on consumer products is really a no go for me.

[@dtox316]

Had to watch at .75x because it was hard to take in all the info

[@steves9250]

I’m looking to replace a Drobo5n and it seems pretty obvious that qnap have better hardware but synology have better software. I like the idea of synologys support for different hdd sizes, so I have a question. Can the qnap have two pairs of drives, say 2x4TB drives and 2x8TB with each pair in its own Raid1 configuration? Edit: found answer is yes, but will need to take care if I ever want to go to a single 4x8TB raid later on. And in my case using them as 4x4TB raid 5 should give the same total 12TB storage anyway

[@drailtx]

Thanks for all the great videos! Qnap's website says the ts-464 has 8gb ram and is NON-EXPANDABLE. However, you've said it can be expanded up to 16gb. Which is correct? And, if you can use 16gb, would it be best to do 1 - 16gb stick or 2x8gb?

[@ClintDevlin]

There are 4gb and 8gb versions of the 464. The 4GB is much more common but both are expandable from what I can see.

[@estusflask982]

@@ClintDevlin The 4GB is only expandable one. The 8GB one has soldered RAM, non-upgradable.

[@KaneNable1]

​@@estusflask982so do I try to find an 8gb one or 4gb for future proofing?

[@erinhickey4214]

The auto-generated closed captions think you're comparing two 4-bay Nazis.

[@levygaming3133]

Yeah, I wonder how much that’s got to be hurting the algorithmic performance of the channel. On the other hand, this is a niche within a niche within a niche x5, so it probably isn’t doing anything.

[@koenvanduffel2084]

I was in the market to replace my 716+. However with Synology not upgrading hardware (mainly the 1GBE network but also the lowish processor and lock in on the NVME's) have put me off and I just replaced the hard drives. The 723+/923+ are almost the same price have a reasonable processor (I don't need the GPU) but still lack the 2.5GBE ports. The 10GBE mini card is again proprietary and just like the NVME's overpriced (twice what QNAP wants for a 10GBE card). Maybe next year...

[@km3481]

I went all in with QNAP and have been very happy. Running 5.1 beta with multichannel and it is crazy fast. The nvme options, modern hardware, and capable OS really are alone right now. To late for Synology for me, their done.

[@km3481]

I would say that QNAP QTS has greatly caught up to Synology DSM with 5.1 Beta and all the updates to 5.0 we have had over the last 9 months. Synology is loosing ground however to QNAP because they have chosen REALLY and I mean REALLY old hardware to make killer margin and then locked you in to their stuff paying more for less. QTS is even beginning to feel like DSM in some areas. And at the end of the day, we choose these devices to deliver services on the network, to that QNAP absolutely dominates in amazing fashion - it isn't even close. So let's be fair, and call it to QNAP... I would love to see Synology actually change in this, but they aren't.

[@pipkato]

Can anyone say what has happened to the QNAP TS-464T4 Thunderbolt 4 version announced at CES 2022? Is it delayed or abandoned?

[@AymanMamdouh]

when i add 18 TB western nas HD to qnap i hear a sound from the HD something tik tik like when u have bad sector..... noticed it new HD so why is that?

[@brianhansen6906]

I went ahead and liked before even listening cuz you’re talking so fast. Although I’ll listen through the end.

[@brianhansen6906]

I watch your stuff all the time. Great stuff.

[@tjs114]

So really, this isn't a comparison hardware-to-hardware. In reality, the QNAP competitor to the Synology DS423+ is the QNAP TS-462 which in the U.S. retails for $30US less (in 2Gb form). The TS-464 is a closer competitor to the DS923+ which retails for $50US more than the QNAP.

[@utgotye1]

DSM may improve further but because the hardware is shit, you may not be able to take advantage of it long term. QTS will improve as well and since the hardware and upgradeability is so much great on the QNAP, there's no question it's the better bang for your buck both long term and short term. No reason to buy the Synology.

[@PlanetLinuxChannel]

I WANT to like QNAP. They have some nice hardware and a few specific cool features. But man, I just can’t stand most of their software compared to Synology’s. DSM has always been (and will continue to be for the foreseeable future) a much cleaner, straightforward, and better looking user experience than QTS / QuTS (what’s the difference between those anyways?)

[@Spartan_767]

Some of synology's newer models vendor lock to there own drives though sadly. So if you want higher storage setups you have to go qnap

[@km3481]

Once you set it up you rarely will ever go into the NAS OS anymore, so you don't have to even think afterwards and just enjoy the speed and features. QNAP runs around the block 2 times before Synology even decides to walk faster, Synology is so far behind it is sad really. QTS is not as slick as DSM, but from my experience I can care less now, never look at it... The hardware and options of the QNAP works perfect for what it does. 2.5 GBE, Pool/Tier/AI are real sweet.

[@QNAPUK]

QTS uses a EXT4 file system, where as QuTS Hero uses ZFS which provides you with protection against bitrot, dedupe, compression, 5PB volumes and faster RAID builds.

[@zeniktorres4320]

@@Spartan_767 That is wrong. No they don't.

[@Spartan_767]

@@zeniktorres4320 they do

[@hugeal8716]

I like this channel, but it is SUPER technical. And spitting everything out at double speed makes the title just clickbait. 😞

[@photonx3075]

Slower, please. Your "as fast as possible" presentation took more of my time to watch because I had to replay much of it. You are speaking faster than I can listen!

[@levygaming3133]

You can set KZbin to play the video at 0.75x speed if he’s talking to fast for you. -sincerely, Someone who watches at 2x speed.

[@dbcooper7326]

Now you know how 'The Wire' sounds to Europeans

[@TrojanStarryNight]

You talk way too fast, where is the slower button!

[@RLTIII]

Top right, there is a gear. Tap it. Select play speed. Reduce until it slows to a comfortable place for you. Personally I play a large portion of my content at 2x speed. That is to say we each have a different pace we find comfortable.

[@AV84USA]

Please! S l o w the heck down! As an American I cannot translate British that quickly. Your words kinda mush together into a wall of syllables, and I have to watch with closed captions on. Although watching NAS written in CC as Nazis is kinda funny, it is really hard to take it all in without getting really stressed.

[@tjs114]

Completely agree. He also uses a lot of very region-specific slang. And don't bother trying to use CC because they can't understand him either. He always sounds like his mouth is full of cotton.

[@ThomMurphy]

I'm also American and often have difficulty understanding accents. My Swedish wife and most people around me can often understand non-native English language speakers (speaking English) much better than I do. Still, I watched this (and many of the channel's) other videos at 2X speed without issue. You could, possibly, try slowing the video down via KZbin controls. That probably makes more sense than his slowing down...

[@zeniktorres4320]

@@ThomMurphy Most of the world are not Americans so its perfectly fine.

[@Harrymannable]

I’m Norwegian and no problem understanding him😅🤔

[@andyhey4576]

learn english then

[@tonguelover6666]

Masterpiece ❤️ thanks for making it as fast as possible, super informative and awesome vid as usual

[@hytecindia001]

Hi I appreciate your videos which are very informative I have bought QNAP 464 I am not finding good experience. I never used any NAS system before so I can’t compare. I would like to have an advice that which NAS brand is best for iCloud back up including best pics backup option from apple devices Thanks