Synology DS923+ vs QNAP TS-464 NAS - Which Should You Buy?

[@RainLaw]

I've watched so many video's and read some many posts about what Nas this past month and I think I'm finally settled on getting the Ts-464. Thanks for all your hard work and great content put out!

[@radudragan3156]

Great video! I really appreciate the effort you've done not only with this video but in general with channel and the blog!

[@Djiezes]

Thanks for your videos. They helped me a lot in making an informed decision. I have been patiently waiting for Synology's next product line these last two years because my DS212+ is getting old and is starting to fail. I liked my synology experience so far, so I waited to see what the 922/3+ would bring - or to be more price in retrospect does not bring. I wanted something that will hold me over for another 10 years and a use case that mainly involves Plex and maybe some tinkering with home assistant and stuff. So I had no choice but QNAP, even though they made the news with headlines that were a bit worrying these last few years. It's not only the hardware with measly 1Gb ports, a dual core CPU, and lack of integrated graphics - although that's an important part of it - but it's also that apple-like business model where they artificially limit your options and try to push you towards and milk you with their own expensive products that really irks me.

[@kinless]

After a month with the TS-664, I don't regret my purchase at all, especially after reading about the DS923+ and its lack of embedded GPU and native 2.5Gbe ports, among other things. My NAS is used for more than just business-oriented purposes and QNAP fit the bill in this regard. Not too worried about the security angle with shored up network/router defenses and only connect to it through MyQNAPCloud, plus having 3 backups of my files at all times helps alleviate any concerns. I do wish it had ECC memory, but it's hard to find a NAS with both ECC and embedded GPU, which I'd rather have the latter. (Would have went for the TVS-h674 if ECC was on it.)

[@LoveOCOC]

Thank you. Giving me a lot to think about in making my decision.

[@pbrigham]

Synology thinks that because of his software they can get way with anything, they will suffer with this machines, but in the end I don't think they care, they are now more interesting on the hi end enterprise market.

[@FC-eo9tn]

......HELLO! Is it possible, to buy a DS923+ (DS723+) or better a TS-464 (TS-264), and make my own Web-Hosting. So i just buy some URLs for my WebSites and do the whole hosting incl. JavaScript Applications and HTML Sites including pictures etc. etc. on my NAS? .......but also security issues should be automatically made thrue the NAS. Who has the better options and Software then > QNAP or SYNOLOGY? Which is more secure?

[@kasper8509]

This really helped me! I will now buy the QNAP.

[@FC-eo9tn]

........THANK YOU SO MUCH! ............So, is it also possible to use the 2xSSDs in the "QNAP Turbo Station TS-464" (or also in the TS-264) as HomeCloud-Storage ...because, so far i know - the 2 caching M.2-SSDs in the DS923+ (or DS723+) is only for caching and not for storage! ..............But, is it also possible - if i use the two M2ssds as storage for my home cloud ...that the 2 HDDs go to sleep , even if i want to work on the M2.ssds????? Becuause Synology said to me , with their DS923+ i could built in 2HDDs (A,B Slot as raid 1) and 2SSDs (C,D Slot as raid1) ...but even if i only work on the 2SSDs , the system cant bring the 2HDDs to sleep , because there is software installed which is used of their system!

[@iflaviorodrigo]

Love all your videos! QNAP would be the clear winner if it wasn't for the security concerns. It's hard to ignore QNAP history on ransomware attacks. I would definitely add that to the video since software is being compared here.

[@XUltimatomX]

@@QNAPUK Ive been looking to buy the ts-464 for months here in Canada.. It's nowhere to be seen.. Feels like im gonna have to go synology

[@r00lz]

Just bought TS-464-8. Note that RAM is not expandable in 8GB model

[@Mr_nah]

Which is better for surveillance recording in h265?

[@07Review]

Honestly iI would prefer to use a credit card and get the Qnap tvs-h674-i5-32g.... I just recorded a 30scs 4k (h265) and streamed over internet, To start I did pause the video for 30 secs and amazingly the cache finished the job, no transcoding used, crazy, also I did record and play 10 secs of 8k 24fps in my home without transcoding, i have some problems of course when tried to do it over the internet ... but it tried......lol in a moving vehicle I will love to you guys check this nas with plex , I love your videos and i follow your videos that had motivated me to buy this bad guy. Thanks and GOD BLESS YOU!!!

[@liakos90]

Hi am also strugeling to decide witch one to buy. I want my NAS for Storage Bakup Virtualization and Docker. I want an all in one solution. I love the DSM enviroment and wanted to ask if Virtuall machines are running good on the 923+. I want also to equip with 2X WD Red SA500 NAS SATA SSD 4TB and wantet to ask if it is possible

[@km3481]

Good points on security. Any one who exposes any nas to the internet without a good hardware firewall and not knowing what they are doing will run into trouble. I had a 12+ year old QNAP nas on the internet from day one and never had issues. You need to lock down any nas and understand what your doing. To be fair, did QNAP handle it's exploit in the best manner? Certainly not, but every NAS that I'm aware of has BOT issues and ransomware attacks. The firmwares all need to be up to date and you need to use your hardware firewall to do it's job. So I won't make security a show stopper for me. QNAP is really a great offering it does so much and so much well.

[@ricn5494]

Will the TS-464 support a 1TB WD-850SN...thinking of adding 2 for cache

[@RobertSpitzer]

I had been thinking of ds920+ for my first NAS, but now the QNAP TS-464 sounds a lot more appealing.

[@luisnetoTV]

Don't you mean "now"?

[@km3481]

I moved to a QNAP 453E and it was the right decision for me. Great NAS, I like the 464 even more than my 453E. I'm using it for media, business server, libre office via containers, other business software via containers, so many options on the QNAP Club. Been rock solid for months, very quiet. Upgraded my entire network to 2.5 gbe, really sweet noticed a big difference with that alone.

[@RobertSpitzer]

@@luisnetoTV I did. Thank you for the correction.

[@RobertSpitzer]

@@km3481 I'm currently looking at it as a music server and hopefully at some point to transition off of Google cameras and the subscription, to cameras connected to a NAS.

[@klassebip2934]

for me the same, i did not see this youtube channel. So i bought yesterday a DS920+ in combination with 12TB hdd for 844€ but dont know if i made a wrong choice

[@RTReview.]

Im a semi professional photographer and im tired of my external ssd Solution. My internetspeed at home is pretty slow (50mb). Im Interested in editing in lightroom from the nas. Sometimes videoplayback (4K from my drone/camera). Im struggeling between the qnap since it has video support or the synology ds923+

[@carlosrios7088]

I have an older Netgear rn314 . It's still doing good. But have thought about upgrading. I will say it is pretty quite, it's in my bedroom, I dnt hear it unless I access it . I want something with nvme caching. But still quite. Maybe something with better software/OS? I really just back up files on a few local PCs, and want to share media files with a few friends/family remotely. Never needed to have a nas transcode, but maybe could in the future? Im not missing out on a feature I've never used basically, but maybe would use it if I had it. From your videos I'm leaning on the qnap, I've always been a hardware person. But also wonder if nas fans can be easily replaced with noctuas. 4 to 5 bay. Synology or qnap maybe? How do those OSs compare to my old Netgear OS6? I'm guessing much better?

[@km3481]

@NASCompares I gotta say Robbie, most of the time you are spot on, but to state that Synology is "closing the hardware gap" has to be the biggest headscratcher for me anyways. Synology is investing very little in hardware and the gap is becoming the grand canyon. gen 1 usb, 1gbe, hardware limits, etc... If you want standard 2022 tech many competitors give you as standard you are paying double or triple... rubbish if you ask me...

[@Vman2boys]

Hey need help. I bought the 464 with 8GB. Wanted to install another 8GB of memory. I don't see the slot for additional memory. I've installed thec2 NVME. But nit seeing memory slots. Thx

[@WELDE83]

Only want Photosync and Backup and some VM two Play like Document Management ...what would you preferences?

[@betitaelfica2]

I love Synology. I was waiting for the ds923+ about 9 months and now I have doubts. I use jellyfin for home 1080p media and sometimes 1 remote family. So I doubt for this and also for the power consumption in idle (when server does nothing, not hdd hibernation). I saw that for ds920+ will be likr 18-19watts using my 3x4TB wd red but I don't know hos many by using ds923+... right now I use 37-38watts from my old NAS and I want to down it.

[@junior-OG]

Do you still have warning on the synology when you use western digital drive ?

[@Somolaoffical]

Is it worth buying DS 716+II in 2022 if you are getting a good deal?

[@TazzSmk]

I'd say Synology has the advantage of DSM being very user friendly and reliable, for any more special or performance-demanding use cases, it's more reasonable to either build custom TrueNas system, Proxmox hypervisor based virtual environment, or simply use some efficient computer with Windows Server system eventually

[@richardk186]

Great video. Will there be a DS423+ model?

[@ourdaysgoby]

I totally make up my mind to buy TS-464, then find out the 10gbs on the 923+ is 30-40% quicker than the TS-464. If we add 2 NVMe on both unit. Qtier on Qnap, cache for Synology. Is the 10gb speed test still the same? 923 + E10G22-T1-Mini : 900$ + 260$ = 1160 AUD TS-464 + QXG-10G2TB: 660$ + 280$ = 940 AUD TS-473A + QXG-10G2TB: 1000$ + 280$ = 1290 AUD Which one should I go for? 923+ really become an expensive option here. But 10gbe speed is important to me

[@Cinnamon_Shaey]

Does the qnap also have the same issue with HEVC files as Synology has? Where you have to do some stuff with drivers to make them play well? If so, how? And can you give resources to it, name of a vid or even make a new vid would be immensely helpful

[@tombouie]

Thks & the main question I have is; ?Is it's practical to do none-realtime/offline transcoding into all the formats/resolutions you probably want (ex: over night)?

[@svetoslavhristov3653]

Hello to all! Thank you for the great videos. Im still thinking of my next NAS and so far im between exact those two models. Im photographer and videographer. Is the integrated videocard a must for opening files directly from the Nas while working on my Mac or videocard like in 464 qnap is a must? Thank you

[@km3481]

Easy for me 464 all day any day. QNAP offers so much more (SSD options, 8 Cams, a really good/appropriate CPU, HD station, QNAP Club,2.5gbe, container deployment... just to name a few). Synology chose a lower end cpu and cheaped out with 1gbe. All Syn has is hybrid raid (not a big deal for me since I always buy new and like drives when I deploy a NAS) and a slicker/more responsive UI, everything else is well below where QNAP is at. QTS has come a long way, once you get used to QTS you will never miss DSM, you can just do so much more. Many people that I know all feel the same way that Synology is looking primarily to grab profit by offering as little as possible, even goofing up their tiers. In the past, Syn could always look to software to cover their lesser hardware, now they just can't live on that, even if is feels slicker it just isn't enough and it can't do what QTS can do. They could have chosen better cpu's even from AMD's lineup, so many see this as a Syn spinning the narrative. This 923 better competes against the AMD offerings by QNAP, again even with older hardware QNAP will be better in many regards. A good friend of mine gave away his Syn and bought a QNAP that is the feeling of many...

[@luisnetoTV]

Thanks your sharing your thoughts on Synology VS QNAP. May I ask you what are the things that you don't like about the QNAP-464, QNAP-453, QTS and/or QNAP in general?

[@km3481]

@@luisnetoTV Sure happy to share! Here we go: 1. The Qufirewall is the craziest firewall that reports false positives. I really do not like it, hence why I use the hardware firewall. It is confusing, many qnap users do not install it because it is quirky. I still have it for entertainment value only at this point :) . 2. Information overload - (This is also a good thing really) if you add the qnap club to the store you will have literally hundreds of applications you can install on your QNAP. It will take time and research to see what app might be best for you. On the flip side if you setup something like Sonarr you can do some really sweet media things with plex. Since you have many options just not available on Synology, you have to get proficient with what you are doing and it likely will not be just a click to install and off you go. Again, I view this as a huge win, but others don't want the options and just want simple... Some apps might be better than others or have 4 apps the do the same thing, etc. 3. Technical level of understanding is higher IF you want to use the goodies - for example if you use container station to deploy libre office, it takes just a few seconds and is easy to figure out. Now you want to access data on your NAS, it will become more complicated to figure out, or should you use as a PC and just run Libre Office? Again, it has more to offer and the cost is you have to think about it. 4. It isn't as responsive at DSM. Even though it has lots more hardware than Synology, sometimes it takes longer to respond in general in QTS. This is measure in seconds, but for all the hardware it has you would think QTS would be instant. 5. They recently put McAfee as an option for anti virus, you can still use the native qnap anti virus but it is sorta hidden now or you have to pay for McAfee. That is all I can think of at the moment... Good luck! You thinking of picking up a NAS?

[@luisnetoTV]

@@km3481 Thank you for the detailed response. Yes, I am buying a NAS very soon. I've was waiting for the Synology DS923+ but now I'm not so sure and I'm more inclined to the DS920+. But I'm trying to understand more about QNAP. I've been seeing your comments about QNAP on a number of videos. In fact, you and I exchanged some comments earlier this week on another video ;)

[@km3481]

@@luisnetoTV Either way you will be good with Syn or QNAP. Good luck to you! I'm just miffed really at Synology, my frustration with those bozos is coming through. They are imho just destroying a good thing and going super cheap, drives me nuts. Although that is how many companies go to increase bottom line. Synology can spin this however they like, but they really cheaped out on the 923, they could have protected the tier and even went with another AMD processor with graphics. Than give you 1gbe when they know most user will have to go for their 10gbe, where 2.5 would have been the right fit for the NAS. Nuts to me at least... QNAP is not perfect, but at least those bozos probably offer TOO many tiers but they get the markets they are trying to serve and don't go for a quick buck by devaluing their products, sure the 453E is a bit of an anomaly, but in general it works. I would honestly look long and hard at QNAP, I updated my network to 2.5gbe and the 453E/464 is really going to be better for media and everything else than the 920 imho, it runs cool and quiet, for a bit more money your getting a lot more. That was my journey anyways :)

[@luisnetoTV]

@@km3481 I forgot to ask: are your comments based on the experience with QTS 4 or QTS 5?

[@RyanLeDoux_is_awesome]

Mr. NASCompares, Just out of curiosity, what brand of NAS do you prefer as your primary storage?

[@trunksviper6583]

how the asustor Nas will compare to this NAS ???

[@nascompares]

Coming very soon!

[@richiecantrell9928]

Thanks for ALL your videos. Let down by Synology. Nervous about Qnap security. How can I buy a Qnap & be SECURE? Plan: always connected to internet & access by iPhones via cellular & wifi (when available) remotely.

[@km3481]

Hi, QNAP is secure, I have a 12 year old QNAP that has been connected to the internet day one and never had any issues.. There are many videos out there that tell you how to set it up in a secure fashion (like changing the default port off of 443). The biggest thing is to invest in a solid hardware firewall and learning how it works (geoblock, IPS, etc.) to protect your entire network and get in the habit of reviewing it for everything connected. QNAP certainly didn't handle its issue properly inho, but to be fair and honest all NAS systems including Synology have malware and botnet issues. Hook one up with no protection and just monitor them, you won't like what you see. To also be fair, since QNAP has such a multitude of app options you really need to do your homework before adding every app for the proper security setup (setting up proper user with security for each of the apps for example, is a good practice). QNAP will have more vulnerabilities because is does so much more than Synology if you let it, but a proper security setup will make it as secure as anything else. All NASes will require you to understand the security protocols of the NAS to maximize your exposure protection, no NAS will give you a free ride of protection once you open it up to the world and start interacting with it remotely.

[@richiecantrell9928]

@@km3481 thanks 😊

[@SirAndras]

I was looking at your other video as well comparing against the DS920+. Mind you this is after me having already purchased thr TS-464-4G. Reason? It was literally cheaper. Not even same price but actually lower price for the TS-464. It was a no brainer to go for the Qnap here. Was looking mostly at the 720+ previously but I'm not one to buy something and upgrade in 2 years. I want this for at least 10 years and preferably more. Did see some talks about the DS923+ as well but the AMD processor seemed lesser in this case. It might be a stronger unit but I don't know if I will want an APU or not for future cases and having one is better than not. Thanks for the comparisons. I'm gonna have a good look at HDDs now and see what I should go for.

[@silver33]

I'm torn on getting the QNAP TS-464 or the TS-453. Any advise would be appreciated. Using it for Plex, Docker. Thank you in advance.

[@km3481]

It depends on if you think you will want more expansion down the road. I went with the 453E, my plan was buy and go with what I have. Great NAS and choice... BUT if you watch the NASCOMPARES video that compares the 2, I would get the 464. I would agree with Robbie that the 464 is a better deal, since the price point is just sooo close. Yes you will have to boost the memory to match the 453E, money well spent in my book. The 453E is a bit more efficient with the CPU, but down a bit on power.

[@silver33]

@@km3481 Thank you.

[@OliOligon]

For me this boils down to: Do You prefer the rock or hard place? My answer has to be none of the above for the obvious reasons. Image QNAP hardware with Synology software support....

[@mrmazlan]

For those concerned about igpu.. Why not just buy a good client to watch your movies via Plex or jellyfin.. like Apple TV or Nvidia shield? With these clients hardware... You don't really need a NAS with igpu. It will be much better then NAS igpu. Unless you watch via mobile phone which for me I don't. I preferred to watch movie on big screen TV. I'm looking to upgrade my Nas to 1522+

[@speedhunter787]

Flexibility

[@mrmazlan]

Ok.. for me I'm playing these movies on my Home Theater sets.. and I need the client player to be extre good and able to support the audio format. In my home.. I only had 3 TVs. So each one have their own client. Over the years.. you should be able to buy the media player for your home device.

[@omar-egypt8280]

Need Help! My turn finally to buy a NAS and money isn’t an issue. I edit 4k multi cam vids all day long and need to work off a NAS that has caching etc. I will need raid to back up work just in case of storage failures. My vid and clips and data are at the moment at around 15T so want a system that can handle that, back it up, and extract the data whenever I need with fast speed. Again I want the best, something that will last years and not something that will be outdated any time soon. Speed is the key for me though. Thanks

[@isaid3311]

Hey! I have that same shirt

[@nascompares]

Then we BOTH look remarkably daper...yet wildly ill dressed for autumn/winter!

[@jasperverkroost]

Of course you can still buy the DS920+ as your first NAS. You are by no means bound to buy the newest model(s) of either Synology or QNAP.

[@nascompares]

100% true!!! But also, availability of the older generation always gets spotty a while after release. You have maybe a year after a new gen release before the older gen gets tough to find new/common retailer.

[@jasperverkroost]

@@nascompares I have a feeling many people will still be interested in the DS920+ for quite some time to come. So in the end it is up to Synology if they will keep this best-seller in stock or not. Would be quite interesting to see if it is still available in one or two years from now.

[@Kekeripo]

This is the whole Appls VS Microsoft thing again. Great design and software with amazing features from Synology, but the hardware is WTF. QNAP has good hwardware, but the software is inferior.

[@tharealmb]

I'm actually looking for a new Nas (ds214+ now) just for storage and to use the Photos/qumagie software with AI functionality to replace Google Photos (I have 5tb of personal photos and videos). I think the QNAP would suit me better (I don't have gif or live photos) but I don't have an external backup that's 9TB.... So swapping to the QNAP would be much more expensive because I need 9tb worth of drives to make the switch. With Synology I could probably just change drives... Vendor lock-in sucks 😢

[@km3481]

9TB will hurt! Only benefit is you will be vendor free is all the drives match, you can take them to any NAS. Still hurts though. I bought 4 new drives when I upgraded to the 453E even though I had a few drives that matched, they just had way tooo many miles on them, glad I did in the end... I even used RAID 10 to even reduce the space benefit, in favor of performance..

[@csparty11]

Am i the only one who thinks this video doesn't need to be this long, i mean come on 33 minutes? You really talk too much!

[@nascompares]

Not to worry, just fire me a link to your video that you made and we can compare them.

[@csparty11]

@@nascompares I don't make video's but i watch plenty to know it's too long and it gets boring pretty fast. And believe me i'm still interested in the technology and the actual information but i watched your videos a few yrs ago as well but you're just so long-winded i stopped watching. I think shorter vids would get you more views.

[@nascompares]

I appreciate your feedback, but unfortunately not everyone is as versed in the world of storage as your are. All too often the people that watch these videos are doing so because they have bit the bullet to ditch a cloud account and get their own NAS, so they arrive as new/unique viewers who are not clued up on the background of this kind of technology. For every comment I receive that says a video is too long, I can show you 25x that say I talk too fast, or that I skipped over what X, Y or Z does. Its like when you decide to buy a new high def TV... you buy one maybe every 5-7 years and in that time, tech changes, standards change... so you bone up on a hundreds vids... get an idea of what is right/wrong for you...then pull the trigger and buy. Then you go away for another 5-7 years. In that time, others are doing the same thing. We are talking about sending thousands of dollars.. a NAS is not as well understood/known as a laptop or phone... the abilities are only known to those who..well..know. I'll keep doing videos this way, but appreciate the input and hope you can see my side too. Have a great week