Syphon Filter 2 Speedrun WR

[@SkelterHelter]

I give my regards to you to being one of the 6 people in the entire world who still plays this, im with u bruhv

[@jamesbrittain5659]

@Kesno Make that 7 bruh

[@73keton]

Make that a 8 my lad

[@guesswhaaat8006]

Make that 9 :) I just finished 1 and 2 and about to start 3... so many memories!

[@broski865]

guess im 10th, played it years ago on PSX as a kiddo, now have and enjoy on psp c: might plug the old psx in soon to play how its supposed to be played

[@cintabrava6695]

Just join Syphon Filter Central discord server; we are hundreds of fans of SF; actually playing SF The Omega Strain online everyday

[@TawdyMcStoic]

31:24 "Subject is not in this sec-" *BOOM*

[@emanolova]

Hahahahha LMAO

[@jackjax7921]

Man this game deserves a remake. It has so much potential. The level design and pacing is so great and creative.

[@SwatcarbonGaming]

6:46 - Doctor. - Yes ? - I think I'm blind. - Me too.

[@RareInspo]

I neeeeeed to know how this was done

[@nassibzai6444]

🤣🤣😅

[@jamespee9135]

🤣🤣😅😅😅🤣

[@cchisholm4957]

I’ve played this game for years and never knew you could do that! How??

[@Hindbodes]

The lesson remains. Never underestimate what's possible for a speedrunner.

[@artofadval]

34:00 - "Thought you were faster than that Logan." *explosion* *dies instantly* lol

[@Angrymonkey2489]

2:23 "No sir, no sign of him--" *While getting shot*

[@LeoN11rus]

This game was so scary to play as a child, and so good though

[@FvckJDM]

I felt the same way. All 3 of them had a dark vibe

[@Xxandrew01]

@@FvckJDM They really did. Playing the first level of SF2 always scared me as a kid as well. Didn't help that I really sucked at the game so it took me some YEARS before I finally got past it and beat it and 1 and 3. Love all of them to this day though.

[@OsaculnenolajO]

I know EXACTLY what you guys are talking about. I remember playing them at least until 3 but it still remains so mysterious to me. The art style and visuals just gives me horror vibes almost, like I could never really uncover everything.

[@ericmunoz3349]

Same. I remember playing the first level of sf1 without going to the metro area, just shooting lights again an again lol

[@jackjax7921]

@@Xxandrew01 Bro the catacombs in SF1 is so creepy bro. Like there is no escape. Lmao

[@Ooper94]

34:06 made me laugh so much I don't know why

[@RareInspo]

Ooper uh because it’s ducking funny

[@jordanimatedstreaming]

and 1:07:04

[@Legendnum23]

Godaimmm that c4 bridge mission was done perfectly. Don’t want to mess with a Logan who can move up and down a bridge like that lmao.

[@MCAWESOME19]

This is actually my first video game I ever played when I was a child. And it’s still awesome

[@AnnkkoR]

Amazing work, I'm still in Love with this game today and it was great discovering these glitches, especially the one in the lab with the conditioning ducts

[@charliehoss1614]

Wanted to watch this with memories of being like 10-11 playing this where I was what I was doing.. also thanks for no annoying ads that pop up. Thumbs up

[@Hindbodes]

I fcn love no-commentary speedruns. What a trip.

[@FvckJDM]

Watched the whole run in one sitting. Incredible work man!

[@PacoRobbins]

Imagine being one of the bad guys and asking the boss what weapon you get and he just stares at you and says "grenades".

[@RareInspo]

I got something right finally - I managed to complete airbase exterior with the base on alert like you did. I’m so happy for me

[@RareInspo]

Shit I left that comment three years ago what is wrong with me

[@kopeekka]

Nice!

[@RareInspo]

@@kopeekka it was fucking hilarious

[@loopaddict2]

@@RareInspo =D

[@Angrymonkey2489]

43:07 HOW?? Every time I roll across, Gregorov manages to Headshot Lian in mid-roll animation.

[@loopaddict2]

Doing little left-to-right movement during the roll when hugging the wall lowers the change of getting hit enormously. Still risky.

[@kkoz66]

Teresa I reached a dead end here. "gabe just walk through the wall"

[@Baronhaynes]

Oh nice! I remember watching WIPs of this years and years ago, very cool to see you guys finished it :) This is incredibly impressive, especially the AI manipulation you did in the stealth stages.

[@kopeekka]

Thanks. I recently found a few new skips in Agency Bio-Labs that could save +30 seconds, I'm itching to record that segment again and add it to the run.

[@loopaddict2]

Hi! Great SF1 runs. Happy to see a comment from you. :)

[@pjoter2243]

You were the best Logan!

[@redjack7296]

58:25 what I did 90 percent of the time playing the game as a kid

[@Xendrius]

Logan killed like 100 illuminati agents throughout this game.

[@danfraser894]

"Ramirez died thinking you were the one who betrayed him." What a great line. Best Syphon game of them all.

[@BB0ysGames]

38:05 this is how this level is supposed to be played

[@S7R8Up]

This is so ridiculous fellas, I’d be very surprised to see this being beat. Perfection

[@vvovvomg]

What!? 1:03:32 ended up glitching on top of the vent whatttt wow I never knew

[@mistamontiel00]

Wowww not such terrifying fuck push Triangle haa

[@raudnerstrife]

I got the platinum for PS4 because of this. Some missions doesn't work with me, so need to improvised a bit, but i got it. Thank you!

[@ryanjohnson3414]

This reminds me of the countless times I would restart levels trying to speedrun this when it came out. Just had to get those unlockables.

[@ChrisLP25]

I'm surprised you didn't kill Chance near that waterfall in Colorado and the game credits rolled lol

[@arzuagadavid1]

1:01:30 this soundtrack is super 🔥 🎵

[@Valindil11]

58:21 Hahahaha I love that they kept this mechanic. I felt so guiltily sadistic doing this to the last enemy of each wave/area.

[@chologaming2887]

Lmao if I tried that on Mckenzie base I will get caught 150% of the time

[@PacoRobbins]

Nope, definitely nothing suspicious about that lab worker somersaulting through the entire complex.

[@laicuan1]

If any game series needed a comeback and remastered it should be these.

[@louizmumic3287]

Agreed 100%! It totally deserves a remake like they did with the Resident Evil 2 and 3, crash bandicoot and other gems too. This game is pure nostalgic! Cheers from 🇧🇷

[@hustler666100]

@@louizmumic3287 I agree I played this game so much as a kid. Fully remade and modernised would be great.

[@terrariavelocyclistsanyaan4332]

Good job. That time on ps1 I was trying to speed run too. Passed this game at least 30 times

[@ZetsabreJuno]

Someone needs to explain to me why Lian is invisible and silent when running next to all the MPs in the air base level.

[@deadspace4755]

Have you ever played Splinter Cell or even Skyrim? When you do a roll, you're silent. The invisible part could be because she is still in the darkness or not in the field of view of the enemies. Old games, had guards with really narrow but long views. And since it is a speedrun, the best route in which darkness and/or out of view have to be taken. That is my theory of all these.

[@ZetsabreJuno]

@@deadspace4755 The part I am referring to is 18:03 where Lian runs in front of 3 MPs and they don't see her, when the level is designed to use the truck as cover. My only guess would be that because she ran in front of the truck, it does not trigger an event for the MPs to start seeing you. I have played Splinter Cell and darkness does not apply in this game unless it goes into the night vision mode thing or if a spotlight hits you, no need to be condescending.

[@deadspace4755]

@@ZetsabreJuno Condescending? l apologise if you have felt like that. That wasn't my intention. Just bringing something that l also noticed in other games; l like to roll to avoid noise and be closer to enemies to take them down. And if l was wrong, no matter, it was just a theory.

[@loopaddict2]

@@ZetsabreJuno It's a glitch that we found out for this specific level. Their AI's are not active at that time at all. :) The manipulation of AI's happened a bit after the pilot died.

[@kopeekka]

@@ZetsabreJuno I already answered this to someone else but here goes. At 17:40 you can trigger the alarm without failing the mission. The dead pilot is spotted by a guard, but since I run away from the hangar exactly at the same time, the guard will despawn from radar, thus allowing me to continue with the mission with alarm triggered.

[@jamespee9135]

Love it man best gamplay ever mad

[@Exsol300]

24:04 But what's the hold-up on an F-22 payload though?

[@Angrymonkey2489]

17:21 Let me guess, is that what made the AI change their behavior to undetectable?

[@kopeekka]

The trick is to let the guard see the pilot's body, and then leave from the hangar ASAP. The guard will despawn from radar before the actual alarm is triggered.

[@KT926]

Cool, that happened to me in Hard mode. The airman next to the first truck saw me and I didn't fail, I was right in front of him, he was aiming his gun at me but I didn't fail the level. That was so weird

[@LeSoleilRoyalXIV]

Damn those roll with Lian :D.

[@Jeffdachefz]

that gregorov chase gave me heart palpitations wtf....

[@GerardoFirestorm]

Awesome I love this game and you guys

[@marcwolfchan5031]

58:22 felt like it was personal hahaha

[@kopeekka]

Gershon will crouch (faster than him walking) as long as you keep tasing the other scientist

[@bomzhiha-s-kurskogo-vokzala]

Where was Mr. Logan in 2019 - 2020? Why he didn't prevent corona? Is he fail the misson?))

[@Gonken88]

Was probably part of the mission.

[@jackjax7921]

42:40 Lmao she just went through it.😂😂😂

[@RockBlocked]

C-130 Crash Site: Logan is one shot, no one can finish the kill.

[@superbadass4540]

Wooow i never see somone Playing like you. U on top 1 brow

[@eugenijusdolgovas9278]

Valkyrie Hrist is a king of SF speedrunning. For now.

[@magnushammersmith121]

I 100% dead sure some time ago I read somewhere a discussion about a skip in Agency Bio Lab level where you completely ignore Data Uplink objective (here it's 58:52 - you just kill that scientist and run away) and I think it was you (or kopeekka) explaining that skipping the objective randomly caused the game to crash and that it was pure luck not to get a crash. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@kopeekka]

kopeekka here. My memory is a bit hazy but I think we found out that killing Gershon actually cancels the glitch, or at least lowers the chance of the game glitching once you find Chance.

[@bigfan_n]

2021 had me Watching the speedrun of the game that i used played as a kid especially multiplayer

[@Andre_-lHl-_Carmona]

Nice... You beat my Record in prison break in... Was 3:24, Im Sad now :/ ;-;

[@bidoof2op]

58:23 OKAY THATS ENOUGH YOU STOPPED HIM 😭😭😭😭

[@pjoter2243]

That's not a speedrun anymore lol

[@kopeekka]

​@@pjoter2243 But it is. Gershon moves faster towards the door as long as you tase the other scientist.

[@pjoter2243]

@@kopeekka wow, I didn't know.

[@Pawelandbajer]

I wish the series got remastered with newer technology.

[@da3879]

Imagine remakes for these games. Would be nice to see.

[@da3879]

Also, I still play all 3 Syphon Filters. Yea, I'm aware there are either 1 or 2 more after that, but I kind of stopped at 3.

[@mistamontiel00]

..is this one shot all one take? Splendid

[@mistamontiel00]

Why're you doing PAL variant? Slower category I assume for 50hz

[@kopeekka]

No, it's a segmented run, all levels done individually. Some of the skips are too inconsistent to pull off in a single segment speedrun.

[@chologaming2887]

Those Makenzie airbase moves and manipulations loool

[@baseman3]

Amazing game I’m glad I still have it 😁

[@italobrunomiguel6346]

Joga demais ❤

[@CJHElectro]

I was never smart enough to shoot the street lights out at gregorov so I died 100 times trying to roll out from behind the stone. I did it though.

[@artofadval]

that's actually pretty crazy

[@danfraser894]

Gabe becomes invisible when he's rolling I see 😂

[@StevenCroghan]

Man I hated the bridge level as a kid but it has kickass music, hell the whole game has awesome music

[@vynthiswechseln3868]

18:26 Me: Okay I know you can't kill Holman...but please shoot-.......*Insane Giggling, Followed by a like*

[@vynthiswechseln3868]

42:42 *WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?*

[@pjoter2243]

1:07:31 nice!

[@ЕгорПуценко]

Best game

[@YYUTESARK_CLAN]

16:25 These guards are blind. 🥵

[@Paul68Rageous]

1:03:24 how?? :O one more question if i may, from the description i am assuming you are using some kind of emulator? If played on ps1, wouldnt be the framerate lower, making the speedrun slower?

[@loopaddict2]

In default emulation settings the framerate should be emulated like it would play on original playstation. However there's always been this kind of topics in speedrun communities, and I personally think there is no difference if you emulate a PAL version and compare it to the PAL version on ps1. Tho there are settings in emulators that may enable higher framerates even when the original console version normally "slows down" in speed, because of the framerate, and the "syncronation" with the low framerate parts of the game might run differently. But I haven't really searched much information about that. I just like to run and play. :) Our run is running with default settings except the scaled resolution for better video quality. Emulators seem take alot of GPU/CPU power to scale the resolution compared to the graphics that play, and I have always thought it's partly because the game needs to be syncronized with the original rom, kind of, so the speed of the game doesn't differ. If there's a difference, it's really unnoticeable. We played the past SF2 WR run with PAL version on playstation, and are quite familiar with the original feel. I think the only difference might be if the computer emulator let's the game drop some frames and skip them to avoid crashing for example.

[@mistamontiel00]

@@loopaddict2 For fuck's sake false title.. emul8ion don't damn count

[@loopaddict2]

@@mistamontiel00 Most of the psx games are runned with emulators. Framerate is fixed to emulate the framerates on psx. If you unlock it by using a tool, you may have different sync ofc, but I have never tried that stuff out. Our first run from SF2 was made with ps2 and recorded with digital8 cassette recorden, and then converted to pc. It had more inaccurate sync's than this compared to original cause of half-analog recorders. There's no point buying a converter only for running one game in an old console, so I guess that is the reason most runners just keep using emulators nowadays, and compete with those. It's more HQ and has fixed framerate if not modified by settings. Every single segment runner / streamer also use an emulator for SF2. And it does count. Keep in mind, that all the glitches have been tested to work on original PAL version of the game. www.speedrun.com/syphon_filter_2/run/yj4v703y

[@mistamontiel00]

@@loopaddict2 Thanx for sharing! I just abiding by the SDA+GDQ standard, even backwards compatibility to me it's like I'd rather not lol! My fat PS1 and UniROM+Caetla softmod combo is a godsend, also I remember some my discs preferring the PS2 afterwards, and not reading on original no more.. also I figure still inconsistencies when doing PS2's backwards compatibility EDIT: Are your glitch findings supposed to be PAL-exclusive, if I may ask..?

[@loopaddict2]

@@mistamontiel00 We were supposed to send the first run to SDA long ago as well (the one made with ps2). We had long forum conversations on SDA with all the runners for the series at that time. In the end we just ended up uploading it to youtube, cause the options for submitting it were pretty non user friendly. I remember for us it would have meant to send the copy of the physical video, using a dvd to another country or something like that. It just didn't feel worth the work, setting up all the recording stuff I didn't have already. So we just felt it's enough to know our record compared to the other's if there would be one sent to SDA at some point, and share it this way. Our SF3 run is done with ps2 still. It's done the same way than the older SF2 run, that I hided, cause of the new record. Glitch findings are all PAL, I believe at some point someone said that the PAL version might be actually just a bit faster with SF2. (not 100% sure about this tho.), but since we are from EU, it's the version we have always had naturally too. I'm still VERY sure that you can do 99% of the stuff in any version that we do in this run. Some of the tricks are ridiculously hard. The hardest and most cryptic / random ones being Ajil prison break in stuff where you need to to pixel perfect movements and timings, that even we don't fully understand if they are perfectly causing the sequence breaks, but what we do know is that active AI and going on voice lines have combined memory limits that can lead the game not loading parts of the maps or AI's early enough so you can get skips happen in certain levels. In that particular level we used like 2 whole days retrying a 20sec long sequence over and over to the point we felt we are mentally losing it. But it also lead to be able to do probably the most hardcore skip in the game, so it was kinda fun and rewarding. :) So my point is that if you feel like you are not able to execute something in console, you might need to just give it more time or understand the glitch completely to be able to do it. The past parts of the level can affect the later glitch in a level!

[@MrAxelow80]

When are you going to do speedrun of Syphon filter 1? I seen some of speedruns on KZbin and they're not as good as yours.

[@kopeekka]

BaronHaynes' SF1 run is pretty good though.

[@avtoskybaku]

Very cool

[@gmtwj-fye7898]

7:05 You think dodge rolling is legit in Dark souls you have not seen anything yet!!!

[@tekkenultra1520]

1:04:16 01:08:05 вроде на 3 секунды быстрее смогли , чем я ) именно этот уровень ) Хотя раньше я уже бил ваши рекорды на этом уровне )

[@ElvisAlilu]

Please create video with explanation. One of my favorite game of all time

[@loopaddict2]

Thanks for the request, it might happen.

[@wojtaxelite8600]

They should make a remake of this franchise

[@trinitybingham2406]

So, I didn't know 2 person speedruns were a thing. Are you like, passing the controller back and forth or...?

[@kopeekka]

It's a segmented run.

[@loopaddict2]

We are doing the recording local, yes. It was very common before twitch times in speeddemosarchives to do segmented run with different people. For example first WR runs for Half Life 2 were made by at least 5 different people, and they weren't even doing it local. :) I personally find the skip discovering proccess and recording much more inspiring with a friend.

[@GeigersBazaar]

i want a party in club 32) the sound is good!

[@irontail2462]

6:47, 7:05 HOW????

[@loopaddict2]

Hi. Kopeekka has most accurate answers for this level, since he has done all the research for it as well. But it's basically very precise route and timing you need to execute. He did lot's of experimenting with the possibilities of skipping the waiting parts in this level.

[@Nathan-Croft]

32:54 comedy gold 😂

[@wielgosznogawica7949]

Wow very nice

[@stukub9565]

😳 nice👍

[@coreyvickery5083]

Nice TAS!

[@tekkenultra1520]

1:00:57 может быть попробую побить рекорд этого уровня )

[@tekkenultra1520]

С ума схожу по этому уровню и саундтреку и Логану

[@tekkenultra1520]

шедевр

[@mathieurodriguez5254]

comment tu as fait pour trouver ces astuces ? par hasard ou tu as chercher plusieurs techniques ?

[@loopaddict2]

I used google translate on this comment. We have basically found all the stuff ourselves by doing all kinds of crazy experiments with the game. We also found a lot of fun but unuseful glitches while planning the speedrun.

[@RareInspo]

I want you to explain the blind and deaf NPCs in McKenzie airbase interior.

[@kopeekka]

With precise movement they won't be able to see you

[@RareInspo]

flowersblooming theres got to be more to it than that

[@kopeekka]

@@RareInspo well that's how it is. I'm the other runner in this speedrun.

[@RareInspo]

flowersblooming I’ll try McKenzie airbase again but I’m pretty sure you can’t get past Elsa and falkan without some kind of cheat. Maybe I’m just not very good at the game

[@kopeekka]

@@RareInspo I can only say that it's very hard. You can't imagine how many tries it took me to record that level successfully. But I assure you, no cheats were used in this run.

[@lh3876]

They need to do a remake of these games with better Ai to make the remake a lot harder

[@leo_misha]

6:48 Phineas Flynn's Mom

[@vontetnov4545]

Nostalgic!!!!

[@cesarhenrxr]

Why does she say "got it" at 8:11? What does it mean?

[@kopeekka]

Completing the level in under 3min unlocks multiplayer characters.

[@zsascsforever4155]

This game was/is cool!!!

[@Mihyish]

RIP : Teresa :O

[@jgrj52]

SP3

[@kwepc90thespeedrunner33]

She faked her death she's in syphon filter 3

[@video_ouija7114]

Crazy stuff. I want to know how some of this works.

[@kwepc90thespeedrunner33]

18:26 Did you just killed Morgan?

[@kopeekka]

Yeah. He dies three times in this speedrun.

[@kwepc90thespeedrunner33]

@@kopeekka It must be a plot twist then

[@kwepc90thespeedrunner33]

@@kopeekka I played this game ALL the time back then and that never happened to me

[@holagame6308]

level 5: 18:00 why they not can see???

[@loopaddict2]

It's a skip glitch triggered earlier in the level ( 17:21 ). The game thinks alert is already on, so the guards can't trigger the alert again in that section of the level.

[@holagame6308]

So this is like a time jump like HiT from Dragon ball Super xD

[@casdomdomcas5214]

18:30 😂lol you kill Morgan before Logan did it.

[@winlover37]

This is impressive, how do you exploit the AI like that?

[@loopaddict2]

Thanks! There are few parts in the game where we do certain things to affect guards ability to see us, some of them explained here in comments as well. What exact moments do you mean? :)

[@CornBreadMan264]

I wonder under 1h would be possible?

[@kopeekka]

With currently known skips, not possible. There's one new major sequence break that we've found since we made this speedrun that could save arounds 30 seconds.

[@MrMadakey]

Okay I know this is an old video but how exactly did you snap to aim like you did. Am I right in assuming it's R1 to target then L1 to immediately go into free aim, since I know Logan's free aim height is headheight usually. I just always had issues with the sniper section in the first level trying to save the GI's

[@loopaddict2]

Can you give a timestamp? I know there's some kind of mechanic for making the manual aim sometimes "snap" to close to proper height (when enemies are not in the same platform as you) after doing exactly what you said, but I never got that to work constantly. Not sure what parts you are referring since there's nothing special going on with the end of the first level. (But yes, it's really hard to aim in that section. Pretty much a runkiller section in the first level) If I remember correctly, you can move the crosshair faster with analog sticks when needing to do those longer targetswitchs. It's been few years since I last played this game, so it might have also just felt to be the case. I also believe there's was a difference in aim movement speed with H11. At least it has different movement acceleration.

[@MrMadakey]

@@loopaddict2 I think my "Snap to aim" was more just a comment on being quick at what you do, might've been the wrong wording, I thought maybe there might've been some trick to it, because you do have nice aim on this game honestly. However in RE runs for example some dodges for example you are able to aim and then it aligns you perfectly. I thought there was maybe some trick to it like this for example that I was missing. Great video as well I would like to mention.

[@stevenclark5168]

Nice got my plat

[@theretrogplays]

6:48 howd you do that?

[@kopeekka]

With skill and a bit of luck.

[@loopaddict2]

It's very specific, required lot of testing from kopeekka.

[@lordkrythic6246]

How are you not being detected? Especially at 18:40?

[@lordkrythic6246]

I see you hearted this, but I still want to know what's going on. How did you do that?

[@kopeekka]

@@lordkrythic6246 Hey, kopeekka here. At 17:40 you can trigger the alarm without failing the mission. The dead pilot is spotted by a guard, but since I run away from the hangar exactly at the same time, the guard will despawn from radar, thus allowing me to continue with the mission with alarm triggered.

[@lordkrythic6246]

@@kopeekka Interesting. Thank you.

[@loopaddict2]

@@lordkrythic6246 Hi! Sorry about not answering. Many ppl have asked about this. Like kopeekka already said, it's a glitch with alarm that triggers when he stops hanging on the box at 17:37. He basically follows the only guard at the radar until the guard almost despawns, before letting go of the ledge of the box. It's not too hard to execute but really cool find by kopeekka.

[@theretrogplays]

hold my beer. im gonna beat this record Lol

[@agofficial1]

Why does the voice actor yell so much this game and have a higher pitch? SF 1 Gabe > 2 and 3

[@wardoc2004]

Maybe John Chacon was getting more used to voicing Gabe.

[@bulletproofff47]

frame rate limiter - is crying now

[@loopaddict2]

That would be pretty sad! :O)